the market is FUCKED
So when are consoles going to be hit by the insane price hikes?
>>741667580The companies are going to eat the costs because if they dont, consoles will stop existing as a concept.
>>741667513hopefully they don't go bankrupt trying this
>>741667580when their current stock dries up and manufacturers break their contract because AI chip making is just that much more profitableAll the consumer ram went that way already, any "brand name" you know are worth literally nothing to manufacturers. Valve is less than a bug in their eyes.
https://youtu.be/66QzlDewigE?t=764>Valve engineers don't even bother explaining the RAM situation anymore, they just look at you like this.
>>741667513>essentiallyMeans it isnt being sold at cost.
>>741667513>builds a more poweful PC for the same pricePssshhh nothin personnel... jew
>>741667841You don't even need to do that, walmart sells better prebuilts at the same price points
>>741667658consoles are gay anyway. Couch gamers should be ground up and extruded as nutrient-rich meat paste
>>741667868No, it's being sold as is
>>7416678681. they don't lock the thing down like every other console2. they want the hardware division to be kinda independent3. they're getting (((sued))) for being a monopoly and taking a loss on hardware that would encroach on consoles would make (((them))) have less of a retarded case against valve
>>741667868>most video game consolesThe C in PC doesn't stand for "console"
>>741667513>at costlies. how much did steam os development cost?
>>741668003>Ramen in a paper bowlPut a ring on this queen before some other lucky guy snags her!
>>741667513>somewhat less powerful than a base PS5 >no controller>about 400 GB less storage >costs $400 more than it>just an inferior PCI feel sorry for whoever buys this
>>741667513So basically PS6 is going to be $1200.
>>741668063a lot, and it's not includedthat's why people saying "they should just take a loss" are completely retardedthey already are overall, they for SURE are not recovering ANY of the r&d on this and the steamos dev
>>741667580Honestly if I were Xbox and PlayStation I’d just delay the next consoles for now
Kek are trannies still trying to blame AI and Trump for this?How long do you need to cope about losing?
>>741667513this is probably true because valve's strategy is to ship a VERY tight supply that is guaranteed to sell out and produce maximum hype with minimal actual pentetration into the console market. it's a proof of concept, a branding exercise and a collector's item for their biggest whalesa serious play for the home console market includes an economy of scale factor and, historically, some amount of subsidization of the bottom line.valve is basically going for the apple pricing model but being even more conservative because they already have a money printer. hardware is just a hedge against microsoft making some kind of hostile play and trying to elbow steam out of the windows ecosystem
>>741667658MS and Sony are way bigger concepts than their gaming divisions.Nintendo is the only one who isn’t and sells its slightly behind par specs for cheap.
>>741667513>essentially at cost>basically at cost>okay we are making a profit, but it isn't greatCool.
>>741668157it is people aren't ready for thisthey're going to be genuinely stumped when they finally have to face reality
>>741668208profit on what nigger the BOM isn't the only cost they had to design the thing and make the software that shit is far from free
>>741668183ThisJust like the Steam DeckValve is selling it to bring attention to the marketSo shit like the ROG Ally and others can surfaceWhile people cant say they are sitting on their asses because they are actually releasing stuff
>>741668361>valve is bringing attention to the pre-made marketWow, I never heard of a pre-made pc.
>we as a distributor failed to secure good hardware prices so tee hee its not our fault!
It's already been leaked that Sony is delaying the PS6 until 2028 and they are doing everything they can to maintain a 700 dollar price point. To the extent that it's barely going 3 times faster than the PS5. They are OK with compromising the next generation to keep costs down. You are delusional if you think it's going to be 800 dollars or more. Normies won't buy it.
>>741668480Literally everyone on the planet is unable to secure decently priced computer parts.
>>741667513fuck off there were anons that showed you can build a much better system with the same cost
>>7416685728 months ago yeah
>>741667513You'd have to be a genuine retard to trick yourself into believing that.
>>741667580When contracts are up for renewal. Though playstation and xbox are most likely going to put their parent companies names behind the deals to aggressively bargain.
>>741667937post examples?
>>741668487They buy smartphones for more, so why not gaming consoles?
>>741668657You want me to leave work and drive to the store and take a picture?
>>741668124>somewhat less powerful than a base PS5keek
>>741668474You never heard of a handheld pc?Or in this case a 6 inch pc?
Its the same thing that the shaving companies did: They give you a product (the shaver handle)for free, but the only way to use it is by buying their specific razors regularly. Same M.O, you buy steam games to play on the deck. And since the age of physical is essentially over, the deck will pay for itself in time.
>>741668645what renewal the manufacturers just straight up break contracts because the fee is much less than what they get by selling for AI datacenters insteadeven including consoles consumer ram is insignificant
>>741668487I can agree to a point but keeping the costs down must be impossible right now if value releases this shitbox at 1k. They better delay them to 2030 at this point and thats only predicted when its going to MAYBE start turning around
>>741667513At cost my ass. You can build cheaper and better
>>741667580Sony is a much bigger player in the hardware space so they have more leverage to buy in large bulk. But even Xbox is feeling the pinch now (yeah, go tell the CEO of your parent company to stop fucking up the hardware market please)
>>741668572Many of those comparisons are disingenuous because they either make use of second hand components, have a completely different form factor, or have links to store pages for components that were last in stock in 2024.
>>741668770Show us the pcpartpicker then
>>741668770it's like 70 bucks less for a comparable DIY system that is much bigger
This isn't Valve's fault. Gabe would have given it to us at $500-$700 if he could. He cares about us and has never done anything over his tenure to make us feel otherwise. If you want to point fingers are anyone, point them at AI. This is Sam Altman, Jensen Huang, Google, Elon Musk, Donald Trump and all of you who push for AI. AI not only is responsible for all the RAM prices being so expensive, it's responsible for all of electronics going up. It's responsible for jobs being lost, creativity dying and it's killing the internet. AI is also responsible for the soon coming environmentally destructive data centers and, just a reminder, AI uses our water to work, so in areas where it's already in short supply for us, we give it to AI.Don't play Steam for this, blame AI and everyone who uses it.
>>741668757Then they get added to sony and microsoft shitlist and once the ai boom is over, the supplier is in big trouble.
>>741667743>Implies his post is linking to something from valve>Actually sends me to some YouTuber fag
>>741668718I am so glad valve brought this to my attention
>>741668859>yeah let's just add one of the 2 major manufacturers to the shitlist>this will definitely affect them and not ruin us
>>741668757they can't because that's a breach of trust, which means they are going to be left dead on the water when the AI bubble pops (not even gov gibs can keep it afloat anymore) and they are left crawling back to the exact same clients the broke contracts with
>>741668696That just fuels the problem, a lot of the people willing to pay insane hardware costs are already spending that money on phones instead, an expensive console on top of that is a big ask
>>741668934chinks are already manufacturing DDR5 at the same quality the usual faggots are anon
>>741668981We need the Ngage or Sony Experia to return and give us a phone console hybrid again
>>741667580Someone explained that consoles are manufactured on a larger scale, so they can get better prices.Also, it's always good to remember that consoles generally have much less raw processing power, though that isn't usually a major issue for performance overall. The PS5 Pro and Switch 2 both have pretty weak CPUs compared to what you'd need for a decent computer.Besides, if prices don't go down, all the consoles will go up in price again soon...
>>741668815
>>741667513all the free marketing is going to be done by chuds and articles about the console
>>741667513So why even make it at all if the cost of the components makes it impractical?
>>741669084So way bigger and bulkier for the same price. Steam Machine wins then.
>>741668770>>741668815>>741669084I am a bit tech illiterate so I am asking this genuinelyAssuming this is for a tower pcIn a scale of 0 to 100 how much better is this than a Steam Machine? If the steam machine was a 30 in the scale?What would the comparison be for the price for a laptop?
>>741668157There's no games on PS5. Why are we even contemplating PS6?
Roblox
>>741669156its not made for you or I its made for Timmy who owns a xbox and they want to try and get him over to steam.
>>741669174i don't think miniaturisation of the motherboard is going to cost $300that's really the only part that's adding cost>>741669187it's marginally better due to higher clocks and no power limits
>>741667580Consoles subsidize because they earn on paid subscriptions and have a locked down platform. You could buy this Steam Machine and just pirate games.
>>741669156They started making it and announced it was coming before the prices became unreasonable.
>>741669378>Consoles subsidizeYeah but how much? And how will they claw back the money? Higher game and service subscription prices?
>>741667580Most consoles sell at a loss.
>>741669473>Yeah but how much? As much as is needed to achieve enough momentum to keep the console business healthy.>And how will they claw back the money? They may not and if they don't, it'll be better for them to lose some money now instead of the entire business eventually. >Higher game and service subscription prices?Not too high, because consumers are price sensitive and trying to keep margins high may lead to an overall lower number of users which could reduce the longterm viability of the business. For example, the PS3 lost a lot of money. If it didn't, the Playstation business would've been completely cooked. The Switch was sold almost at cost. But it paid huge dividends down the line. There's only one way a console business survives longterm and that's by bringing enough users into the ecosystem so they can spend over the longterm. If no one wants to get your console, you're console is as good as dead. PS6 needs to be no more than $800. At $700, it'll probably move 10M units in the first year and be sold out the entire time.
>Buy this PC thats overpriced vs a regular PC or laptop Why the FUCK is anyone buying this
>>741667580When the Gabe cube sells out
>>741669140>valve cultists are already using the exact same arguments woketards doyeah im done with steam
>>741667580Next generation
>>741669831See you next week
>>741668858>Don't play Steam for this, blame AI and everyone who uses it>and everyone who uses itI get to make Steamfags do what you do to defend them? Nice. Dance for my amusement
>>741667580Thought that already happened.
why can consoles manufacturers and every handheld pc maker get better deals than valve on components?
>>741670163Because valve is buying 10k vs millions.
>>741667513no duh, even Valve pointed out that if they sold it at a loss they would get bought for non gaming reasons
>>741670163consoles have signed their contracts before this entire shitshowonce they have to renegotiate they're going to squeal
>>741670163Because Valve only plans on making a few million units. Nintendo ordered over 150M NSW1 and will order at least 100M NSW2. Sony was a consumer electronics conglomerate for decades and Playstation has sold over 100M units almost every generation.
>>741670163Valve is trying to dip their toes into a market that's already red hot with demand far outpacing supply. Basically if you don't have huge contracts already signed for you're shit out of luck.
>>741670163why did he fuckin do that
>>741667580Do you honestly think the PS6 is going to be less than 1000, when the PS5pro is already over 700 and its using hardware that was purchased before the latest increases in pricing and is being sold at loss as is?
>>741670363To get to the other side, anon.
>>741668203>>741667580The difference with consoles is that their hardware is merely a gatekeep to software, and they can sell hardware at a loss to sell that software, which is sold at an obscene profit beyond the first two days typically (nowadays, usually before the title even releases).Additionally, console manufacturers get first pick and better deals than a company like Valve, since they're consistent buyers that buy in the millions.Valve is likely only producing maybe 250K Steam Machines for each model, so 500K altogether at most. They're not doing a million units, let alone five million or ten million.They also do not have the same things to lean on as console manufacturers because their store is something that exists beyond the steam machine ecosystem, and the steam machine isn't bringing in new users beyond maybe 0.000001% of buyers. People buying this are present steam users, so them buying it means there won't be a significant increase in software sales, unlike with home consoles where the consoles themselves gatekeep the software.
>>741667513Please think of the multi trillion dollar corporation! Gabe Newell NEEDS his 8th yacht!
>>741667513So if hypothetically if the cost of ram went down, steam would lower the price of their machine, right?Surely if AI is the reason they'll change it back once it stops being the reason.
>>741670406
>>741669187>how much better is this than a Steam Machine?There is no comparison at this price point. Any custom and most pre-made PCs will beat the Steam Machine.
>>741670163When China can produce these parts
>>741667513>basically
>>741667513You voted for this.
They take 30% cut on games, they can afford to sell it at a loss. Dumb cunts, this is why I don't play on PC (other than having a console).
>>741667513Hopefully these guys have more sway than the consumers to tell investors to stop being niggerdly with AI datacenters.
>>741669084>Mid tower case
>>741670670Valve said they dont want to take a cut on it because they would lose money.
>>741670670Everyone takes 30% you stupid Jeet>Android>Apple>PS>Xbox >Nintendo >Epic>GOG
>>741667580motherfucker, APPLE is not going to be able to get ram for phones
>>741667580>So when are consoles going to be hit by the insane price hikes?It has already started.Price hikes will be incremental over time.Eventually, in time and also thanks to the peoples minuscule average attention span, a base model PS6 will not seem "that expensive" at $1399 (without controller; without optical disc)Happening with smartphones too.>mid-model-year price hikesalready occurring.
>>741669792The only customer I can see wanting this is if they literally don't have a PC and REALLY want one that fits on a tiny shelf.
>>741670972Apple is not going to be able to get RAM for its phones that will maintain their ridiculous 50-60% profit margins. That's all.
>>741670465I imagine they would probably just make a steam machine 2 and I can't the steam machine itself having that frequent if manufacturing to warrant clearly out inventory
>>741668168What for? Prices won't come down again.
>>741667580isnt the ps5pro like 200 dollars more expensive? steam machine got a 300 dollar bump according to valve
>>741670905Google, Apple, Steam have tiered revenue cuts of like 20-30%. The consoles are a flat 30%. I think GOG is a flat 30% too from memory. Epic is kind of an outlier at 12%.
>>741670670>sell it at a loss>lose money on hardware that contributes potentially nothing to their actual software sales
>>741668487>and they are doing everything they can to maintain a 700 dollar price pointLMAO
>>741667580That's the trick. Consoles haven't spiked because they just don't manufacture them. They manufactured them before price increases and nobody buys them. That's why Sony stated it's already working on a new console earlier this year, because there is no point in making more PS5s.
>>741669792The idea is for a person who was only a console gamer and wants PC games easily hooked up to the TV.Right now the only people I can picture buying this are scalpers, people who love steam, and maybe someone who wants a portable game device to have when hanging out with friends. I personally wanted a steam machine to make it easy to play co-op games in person, but fuck that at this price
>>741667513It should have been cancelled once they realized it wasn't going to be viable. Should have just cut their losses.
>>741668712Yes.
>>741670670They can't sell it at a loss because it is just a PC and can be used for other shit. It isn't locked down like a console so if they sold it at a loss it would be bought for a non game purpose.They should have just cancelled it or just never announced it when shit was going south
>>741668696Smartphones>can call your girl>can text your girl>can send emails to your girl>can install discord to talk to your girl>can search up inane shit on the fly to impress your girl>can take pictures of your girl>can watching youtube videos while having sex with your girl>can play games Consoles>can play games
>>741671275They should advertise Deadlock for their steam machine. Surely that'll get people to buy.
>>741671363>girlBloat.
>>741671275I can't stop looking at the panic shelf
>>741668858>we are already dead
>>741667580They already have been. They're at a stage in their life cycle where they'd be heavily discounted and we'd be hearing hardware rumors on the next-gen already. Instead they're more expensive than what they launched at. They should be $199 or less now, a PS4 was $199 by year 6, what are they instead, $600? More?
>>741671363>Inside the mind of a simpGrim
>>741671363>can play gamesNot real ones.
>>741671569On you phone you can emulate basically anything up to sixth gen, which means you're playing realer games than the ones you could get on any of the modern consoles.
>>741671569soonthanks to valve's work on fex
I'm still buying a steam machine simply because I want a box.I just want a box. I don't even need to play games on it, just give me the box.
>>741668696Not outright. It's basically a loan from the cell service provider, they pay it off through fees in their phone bill for years
>>741667513don't fall for the steam machine psyop
>>741671603Any game played on a phone is made lesser, same as watching a film on a phone. Knights of the Old Republic is on my top 10 of all time, and you can play it on a phone natively, and that isn't a real game when you do.
Let's be honest, we're all still buying this
>>741671674
>>741671674Buy a tungsten or depleted uranium cube instead
>>741671874We?
>>741668157>So basically PS6 is going to be $1200.Don't worry, Sony will price the PS6 at $500 and the PS handheld at $300 and eat the cost because they love us so much. Trust the plan.
>>741671456What's so panic about it?
>>741671874Trvke
>>741671874I have a great PC already, so I won't. This is more for the bottom rung of PC gamer who got taken in by /r/buildapc budget builds and is lagging ten years behind, regularly posting threads on /v/ about 'optimization' and so on now. But those people are usually poor or even unemployed, so they're priced out here too. Valve might have been smarter to just delay the thing indefinitely until hardware prices stabilize, this is going to be an expensive stain on the brand now.
>>741671874the controller is fine but you're better off making your own pcthis little shitbox is not it
>>741671962That is the mystery
>>741667513>made the Steam Machine unnecessarily small and low power>ton of custom components >low volume production>not competitive price with consoles or DIYBut at least it is small and a cube. Oh you can turn it on with a controller too.
>>741671874I'll be interested in the experiences of people who do buy it, but I won't be buying it. I'll be saving up for a PS6 in 2027 and a new gaming PC in 2030.
>>741671962Someone is giving away a Rear access trojan. DON'T PANIC
>>741672128>ps6 2027>PC 2030What games will you play in the meantime?
>>741672208>What games will you play in the meantime?Surely not GTA6 as it's going to be a PS6 launch title.
>>741667580Nintendo is the only console maker not selling at a loss, but they already readjusted their prices recently by 10% to maintain their profit margin
>>741667513PS6 $2,000 confirmed
>>741672208Marvel RivalsNikkeAnantaMaybe Evercold
>>741671874A little PC under my TV would have been pretty neat at like $500-600ish, but I don't need it. I am happy with my current gaming PC.
>>741672208stardew valley, civ 5 and the newest bullet heaven
>>741672274>implying TakeJew will pass on double tip from ps5 userbase for base edition and subsequent enhanced edition for ps6lmao
>>741670163valve needs to buy another dozen yachts and mansions, pay up piggie
>Steamies doing everything they can to convincing themselves a machine less powerful than a PS5 is worth the $1,300 price tagHoly cult.Reminder you can hack a PS5 and install linux onto it.
>>741672462Or you can buy the convenient box that is already designed for steam compatibility
>>741672006>you're better off making your own pcMost people here are not, and this idea is the root cause behind most of the complaints on /v/ about optimization, you people don't know what you're doing and you follow guides from broke people who also don't know what they're doing. 90% of you would be better off just getting a prebuilt.
>>741672502like the cheapy walmart prebuilts?
>>741668749It's not really the same. Are people really buying games specifically because of the Deck/Machine or are they just using the same library that they have as a PC?
>>741672462>Reminder you can hack a PS5 and install linux onto it.retardnot only do you need an old ps5 that hasn't been connected to the internet in the past few years, the procedure to install linux is anal as fuck and it's tedious to even fucking start every time you want to use it
>>741672389snoy and ms will pay taketwo billions upon billions (of future revenue) to delay gta6 so it can be launch titles for the next gen consoles.snoy and ms have no other sales pitch for whatever they plan on selling next...
>>741672645Well XBOX has. Helix is supposed to allow you to install steam on it so you can play your steam games as well as all your XBOX games.
None of this shit would've been a major issue if Valve released orange box 2 bundle for Steam MachineIt's that easy
>>741672562Yeah sure.The difference between all of these and the PS5 idea is that these don't void your warranty and carry the chance of bricking your hardware.
>>741672695And MS will sell people a next gen XBOX that can also run Steam for......cheaper than the (by then) ancient Steam Machine?!Oh boy we're in for a tidal wave of shit sandwiches.
>be a big digital distibutor>try to get into hardware>have success with budget handhelds>decide that consoomers will slurp anything and release overpriced shitbox>they don't slurp it up and actively call out your kikery>hardware flopsValve needs to go back to its roots, being a software developer first and foremost, they will never be able to compete with consoles
why buy this if they're going to release steamOS as a standalone?you'll at least have easily upgradable parts
>>741673007>Valve's hardware attempts aren't doing good>so they should go back to this other thing that doesn't actually make them much money???They're a software seller.
>>741667580price kikes
>>741667513>Steam machine was released at costNo it isn't. You can buy a 2TB NVME for less than $300, and that's before you even subtract the price of a 512GB drive from it or any bulk discounts you get for manufacturing. If this was priced at cost then the 2TB version would probably cost maybe $200 more. So tell me, where is the additional $100 increase coming from?
>>741673906labor
>>741674079Screwing in a 512GB NVME and 2TB NVME is literally the same labor
>>741674123You still have to pay at least minimum wage for bulk products.
>>7416741232TB has an extra screw to hold it because it spins faster
>>741667580My corporation eats the cost for me. That's why my $500 device is equal in specs to your $1300 device. Simply stated, Microsoft treats me better than Valve treats you.
>>741674320I don't need to buy the gabecube tho? I already have a PC.
>>741674320Are you forgetting the monthly subscription that you are paying to MS? Shit like that would not even accepted by most gamers on pc.
>>741667580The PS5 Pro is 900 Euro so I expect the PS6 to be around 1400-1500 Euro
I really hope the next gen of iphones costing $8000 due to hardware shortages causes the normies to mass riot and pillage data centers.
>>741674449Not that person but not everyone pays for subs. I have a PS5 and never paid for PS Plus as I play single player games.
>>741674449Are you forgetting every game you buy from Steam you can't own because Valve hates you?
>>741674589>never paid for PS Plus as I play single player gamesHoly shit we found him, the one based console player.
>>741674616It literally takes one file to get past the DRM.
>>741674616I own every game I buy on steam to the exact same degree as you own them on console, and I don't pay a monthly subscription to play them either
>>741668858Still glad Kamala lost.
>>741674696And then what happens? A game you don't own doesn't have DRM? Sounds pointless to me.>>741674728>I own every game I buy on steamSweetie....gabe doesn't like when you tell this lie.
>>741674831Do all console retards have reading disability or is it just you? Try finishing the sentence, it's not even long.
>PS6 is way stronger than the PS5 Pro which is like 700-850 bucksHow fucked is it going to be bros?
>>741675036The full sentence is 3 lies. The part I clipped was just 1.
>>741670391yes because sony and nintendo run a monopoly
>>741668157the pro models of the iphones are gonna be like $1400 at 256gb this fall (before we even talk about the folding one which will likely be $300-400 more on top) and Sony will justify it saying "well you'll play this console for the next 10 years so it's not bad!"
>>741675195if were lucky 900 dollars MINIMUMhelix might unironically be 1k+
>>741668521unironically I just thought this is what WW3 is going to be about, the full hardware price 'choke' will be the trigger, can't wait.
>>741667513yeah not my fucking problem. hope this flops on principle and i have a steam deck (before the price gouge, thank God)
the market is JUST
>>741671363>your girl
>>741668815>>741668831>all these fuckers IGNORING the fact that it's a fucking COMPANY getting the parts at COMPANY prices
>>741675267If having you game taken from you for failing to pay your subscription qualifies as owning it, then whatever steam is doing qualifies too. If not, well, not my problem. I'm not the one trying to delude myself into believing I own a DRM service That's you.
>>741670163insane webm
>>741675298>>741675195I mean realistically.Say Sony stocks up like 7-10 million units.How do the economies of scale work in their favor? Assuming a 2027 release can they even hit like 800 bucks maybe as a price point for the PS6m?
>>741667580The prices have actually been going up alraedy, just probably not to the full extent yetExpect them to keep getting jacked upThe AI data center shit monopolizing all the components is fucking the gaming and PC/console market hard
There is no chance the PS6 is less than 1000 bucks. And it will likely be something like 1200. Unless they massively under power it and at that point why even bother putting it out in 2027 instead of waiting until 2029 and making it better.
>>741667580they've already went up a little bit, though most consoles sell at a loss as others have said, using first party software to make up for that cost.
>>741674561what if they realize they can just keep the phone they already have
>>741675635>>741675578lmao 800 bucks for the ps6 is absurdthe other anon is right look at the damn specs and realize that even with sony potentially subsidizing it, shits gonna be i reckon 1100 for the lowest tier
>>741675635if ps6 wants to be more powerful than a ps5 it'll be 2000 minimum, 3000 if doomerprices go up exponentially for more powerful hardware, and dependent on if they sell at cost or with profit margins
>>741675756They wont charge 2000. That would just be retarded as nobody would pay that. They can get the die hard fans to pay 1000. I cant see the average fifa madden call of duty grug being willing to pay 1000 bucks though.
>>741675467I never said gamepass was ownership but your analogy of gamepass being somewhat equal to steam is actually spot on. >That's you.You don't even know why you hate DRM. You're just repeating what you hear on reddit.
>>741675837they literally cant get away with going too low, no matter how much they know that people wont buy ityou dont understand how FUCKED the component market is; its not just about pricing of the goods themselves but, hardware companies need to pay EXTRA just to secure contracts so ai niggers dont yoink them
>>741669827So already?
>>741675973I don't hate DRM, I am pointing out that in the presence of intellectual property laws and functional DRM, believing you own intellectual property that is not legally yours is delusional. Consoles are literal hardware DRM and any attempt at "ownership" (piracy) requires circumventing said DRM. That isn't as easy on modern consoles as it is on old ones.
>>741668124>somewhat less powerful than a base PS5 is this what steamtroons really believe? it's Slightly more powerful PS4 but weaker than a PS4 Pro.
Its over for video games. The whole thing has become too expensive.
Why not wait until november 4th when the market crashes and this shit will cost $20
>>741676221>source: upscaled dreamslol >ps4 wow so cool running 640p upscaled to something>steam machine has upscaling but tested without upscaling>WHAT A PIECE OF SHITLMAO
>>741671363>Can watching YouTubeSaar
>>741669772The PS3 also lost a shit ton of money because you could install linux on it. It was a cheap computer that companies were buying up (most famously the US government built a data center with them).A heavily subsidized PC is basically just this scenario again.
>>741667513>at costRecession indicator
>>741676645More like blatant lies
>>741676645>indicatorwe've been in a recession for 1.5 years they're just pulling out all the stops to hide it until the midterms
>>741676176I don't think I own the IP. I know I own the game.
>>741676823>1.5Lower anon
But all the anti-Steam doomers have been this is terrible value.
>>741667513Ijrael phul sapport Saars.
>>741667513The fatfuck wants to purchase the most expensive yacht yetYou fucks better pre-order the Steam Machine rn
>>741676846A game isn't a piece of plastic, it's software which is considered IP. You don't own software if you can't do whatever you want with it, play it on whatever device can run it and modify it at your leisure. In the absence of this ability, you have what is called a license to use the software. Modern consoles have the means to deprive you of this license also - through online accounts. I doubt you're running full offline account on any console from this generation.
>>741671363>>can watching youtube
>>741677120>A game is software which is considered IPObjectively false. Commercial media and the IP that is the source of that media are two different things. You won't fool me by lying to me.
>>741670163Valve doesn't actually stock much hardware, you need to put way more orders in to be treated preferentially. This is more or less something that only steam fanatics would consider buying, and valve knows this
>>741676846No, you don't own it tendieYou can transfer itThe sole purpose of giving a shit about plastic is it you're so poor you need to speculate on the value of plastic and sell itYour console's goy lock in makes the game objectively worse
>>741668858AI literally ruined everything. I can't believe how stupid humanity is
>>741667513It’s Valve’s fault this is so expensive. Should have sold it a loss>they can’t sell it at a loss, people would just harvest it for the RAMOkay so then solder the RAM to the motherboard like other consoles do>but then you wouldn’t be able to upgrade itSo then it’s an intentional design choice that Valve made knowing it would make it more expensive. So it’s Valve’s fault it costs that much.
>>741671362>Non-game purposeThis is a non-factor, the audience that would know of a steam machine would be getting games. Soccermoms and boomers go to Best buy and get whatever the sales person suckers them into buying, or pick something Amazon promotes to themCollege students prefer laptops if they get a computer at all
>>741677398I'm afraid you're retarded. IP has nothing to do whether it's commercial or not, IP law applies to non commercial software too.
>>741677686consoles are sold with vendor lock in and aggressive DRMThis thing isn't
>>741667513so how can i buy a prebuilt for half the price with better specs? they are lying scumbags
>>741671363Girls can also play games
>>741677717Companies are the ones who buy cheap hardware like this in mass. Same shit happened with the PS3 which led to them killing Linux support and then they got sued for it.
>>741677749>vendor lock inYou mean a closed ecosystem? They could have just done that then, it was an intentional design choice for them not to do that >aggressive DRMSteam is DRM
gabe deserves it for being a RETARD and wasting millions on yachts and not making half life 3
>>741677882>they could've just made it shittier and defeat the purpose of even making it loland steam is extremely easy to crack and not intrusive or restrictive unlike console drm where all you can do is press the play game button
>>741677882In this context steam is not DRM, because it lacks functionality to protect the hardware from unauthorized use.
>>741669084>A620jeez dude reallyI'm going to be reusing the same SSD, power supply and case for the next 10 years I guess. market really do be fuckerino'd
>>741677997The purpose of the steam machine is a little gaming box you can run steamOS on. The target audience is console gamers looking to get into the Steam ecosystem, not preexisting PC gamers that are looking to buy something because it has a valve logo on it. Valve made intentional design choices that forbids them from selling it at a more competitive price. It’s not ONLY the PC price market that made it prohibitively expensive for most, it was valve’s intentional design choices.
>>741676352you are a retarded turd
>>741667513>Steam machine was released at costLOL no a chance in the world with years old hardware. Imagine actually listening to Valve propaganda.
>>741668203Being part of the same conglomerate doesn't mean they have access to a collective capital, Sony or Microsofts gaming divisions are wholly separate and have to make a profit or they're on the chopping block like any other division.
>>741674616>consoles allow you to own your games more>still can't own or play fable 2 without having to buy old dying hardward for 200 bucks or a subscription to a cloud serviceAnon, ownership isn't a drm cuckbox where you buy permission to play licenses where you get zero access to backup and modify your files. That literally makes it harder to own games and preserve them lmao.
>>741677737I never said all IP was used for comemrcial purposes. You keep implying that I'm confused about something when I'm not.
>>741667580have you seen the price of a ps5 pro 2tb with disk drive? lolits $1100 usd
>>741667682It's at cost, so at worst they'll only fail to sell their stock, which likely isn't a lot because getting that shit stocked was a shitshow to begin with. It's not going to impede Gaben's yachts.
>>741668157under 1k, it wont have a disk drive.
>>741667513How do they make money off it then? Is it supposed to onboard a bunch of new Steam users? I bet 90% of people who buy this already use Steam.
>>741678448>DRM is le badThey got to you too, huh
>>741668941>when the AI bubble popsTwo more weeks!
>>741668157The PS6 won't exist.
>>741678390ram and ssd price is still quite high anon
>>741678475You did say that you own software (which is IP by legal definition). You also said that intellectual property laws do not cover software and only cover the so-called "commercial IP" (this is trademark law actually).So not only are you confirmed to be confused, but you're probably also delusional.
>>741667513the market is fine rn.the consumer is fucked
>>741677882>They could have just done that thenThey have dozens of gold diggers calling them a monopoly currently so hitting consumers with an extremely good deal in exchange for locking them into SteamOS and Steam would lose them a ton of currently running lawsuits.
>>741667513>selling at cost>"essentially">"basically">as close to cost>"as possible"the same company that says they can't drop their cut of 30% any lower despite no other digital store having a cut that high is who i personally trust to have a sane idea of what a close to cost profit margin is.
>>741678803Oh are you a lawyer? Do you have legal expertise? Show me your degree
>>741678704I know you've been brainwashed by Valve, but really stop being retarded.https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/19946374362
>>741672462What happens if someone figures out how to install SteamOS on a PS5 and then show it beating the Steam Machine in benchmakrs?
>>741678719>You did say that you own softwareNo I said I owned the media, ie the game. >You also said that intellectual property laws do not cover software and only cover the so-called "commercial IP" (this is trademark law actually).Show me where I said this. Specifically the part in quotes
>>741678942>asus tuf>overheating problems after a year>cheap ass plastic feeling that broke down>16 inch screen, cant fit into backpack >$200 off just because they are get rid of stocks>nerdI'd rather build my own pc than owning this troon shit
>>741678929
>>741670670>they can afford to sell it at a lossUnlike console manufacturers they don't need to make absolutely sure people will buy their console because 99% of pc gamers are on steam anyway.0 reason to sell at a loss.
>>741679117>than owning this troon shitInteresting that you say that when this video is front and center of the Steam Machine page. https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steammachine
This is an age of dread. It's one in which there is no hope for the future but rather an opposite - a despair knowing something worse is waiting to fall, you just don't know what. Grab the hardware you want before a new change makes it more expensive, before more scalpers steal it up. Grab the music and images and videos you want before a site gets taken down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcceOOPdKZY>>741669792It almost feels like they're starting to think there is a pcbro constitutency that just buys steam stuff because it's steam, not because it's quality. At this point releasing this at all is going to do them more harm than good.
>>741669174>bigger and bulkierwho the fuck cares?
>>741679245>PcbroyI don't remember writing that but I forget what the fuck I wrote. Valve? When did that get word filtered?
>>741667682Lol no. They are literally saying it won't cost them more than they are expending, ie no profit whatsoever.Their real product is Steam.
Reminder that every single faggot who defends slop is totally okay with this.
Theres zero point to valve subsidizing itLike what benefit do they get for subsidizing a piece of hardware that realistically wont even affect steam.in any way outside of it letting them develip steamos more?
>>741669187>>741670530>Any custom and most pre-made PCs will beat the Steam Machine.This, the steam machine is an entry point for console mouthbreathers to escape console veganism, it's not meant to compete with customs or enthusiast options in general.It unironically for people who don't know/care that something like pcpartpicker exists.And yes they exist and there are millions of them.
>>741679193nigga i dont even want to buy the steam machine. With the price, I'd rather build my own, which I did, without all these low quality """rgb gamer""" bullshit attached.
>>741679769yeah, they should have just scrapped this whole dogshit product
>>741679117>into backpackand the steam cube with all its cables that barely fits into the backpack you will beam into your mind instead of it needing a monitor?
>>741667580They already are, but the companies are taking it on the chin because it's end of life. The next generation consoles should be out next year or the year after though and THOSE will have monstrous price tags. Basically do not buy electronics and pray this AI bubble pops. When it does, RAM and SSDs will be dirt cheap for a while.
>>741667580PS5 already had a price hike.
>>741683049the point being, a massive laptop like that is still a pain in the ass to bring it around, let alone having it on your laps and play vidya. You look like a dork with that thing, there's no portability, battery is shite, and thermal issues. the price maybe ok, but you get what you paid for. It's a shit product that will die after 5 years of continuous usage.
>>741668157PS6 will come out in 5 years when costs are down. And they'll market it like it's a huge improvement when we used to get 2x the performance gains every other year.
>>741683438>RAM and SSDs will be dirt cheap for a whilethey weren't even dirt cheap after the last crunch
>>741668203>MS and Sony are way bigger concepts than their gaming divisions.>>741678407>Being part of the same conglomerate doesn't mean they have access to a collective capital,The PlayStation company is not a division of Sony you morons.
>>741667580Are you looking forward to the next gen? if so, lmao
>>741667513>essentiallyfuck off, stupid kike faggot
>>741668157it will be $800 and the rest of the cost they will make up by selling ads, which they will inject directly into your games
>>741669084>ATXof course its cheaper if you dont pay the mini itx tax dumbass
>>741668203>Nintendo is the only one who isn’t and sells its slightly behind par specs for cheap.Nintendo has the biggest margins in the business, its the greediest company in the business. They sell last gen hardware and prices it at -20% of current gen hardware
>>741674616Its the same on xbox. At least SOME ps5 games sre complete on disk, and at least on the steambox you can buy games on GOG to own them
>>741667580>Consoles have already lowered their specs and upped their costs>They already charge 50-80$ a year for online>They already make money off of data harvesting and ads that they would not get otherwise, whereas Steam is optional>They already get a cut off game sales that they would not get otherwise, whereas Steam is optional>They already sell defective controllers for 80$ a pop (or even 150-200$, for premium controllers that still use defective components) that need to be frequently replaced and which often have warranty scamsConsoles were hit by insane price hikes 20 years ago, they're just not viable as anything other than scams.
There's no way Valve will ever do a gen 3 of this, right? First gen flopped a decade ago and now second gen is flopping before it's even completely out the door. Their pockets will be fine but I'd imagine this can't be good for their image.
>>741675710They're delaying it as much as possible, their strategy is legitimately to hope RAM prices go back to normal before they're forced to market.
>>741678603It's for growing markets like Japan.
>>741667580I'm calling retard.
>>741686635I mean their main product is still Steam itself. These things are just auxiliary shit that they use to feedback into their software ecosystem. The Machine flops and Steam grows regardless.They will probably not try a Machine 3.0 but I guarantee a Deck 2.0 they're going to actually try and subsidize.
You voted for this :)
Let it burn
>>741685980Wrong.
>>741672645Take Two will drop Xbox on a dime, future Xbox after the Series trash are literal custom PCs. If you thought Steam Machine's prices were bad, you haven't seen nothing yet with Helix.>>741672695>>741672904It's going to work like SteamOS, and cost near $2000. Helix's Xbox Mode, including the OEM ones using one of the family of silicon, will lock out all third-party stores, it will be Xbox Store-only. You'll be able to access those other stores in Windows Mode but with none of Helix's benefits. I'm going to put this in words, Xcucks can understand, the future of gaming now fully belongs to Nintendo and Sony, consoles won, PC lost. And yes, Xbox is now a part of PCs, Xcucks are certified PC cucks now. Xbots can no longer par themselves with Tendies or Snoys.
>>741668157It will be $999 They know that the 4 digit threshold would buckbreak people
Sony is NOT gonna fucking destroy Playstation by sticker shocking their entire userbase lmao.They're going to wait until 2028 to release the thing.
>>741688104do you really think the prices will stabilize by 2028 kek?2027 will be when they place orders from suppliers and that still in the AIpocalypse territory
prices will not go down, they know (You) are willing and able to pay the higher price toome personally I am dipping out of the hobby, or at least stopped bothering with most modern and new stuff, my backlog is endless anyway, I am comfortable with playing titles from the past 10-15 years and picking up other hobbies instead
>>741667513It doesn't matter that the Steam Machine's cost is the cost of its components when nobody sane would pick those components in mid 2026. If you're well off enough that you can afford to dump over a thousand bucks into an SFF PC then you can probably afford to dump a couple hundred more and get a current gen GPU like an RX 9060XT or an RTX 5050and see your frames increase by over 50% for only an extra 20% cost.
>>741671363>implying zoomers have girlsReminder that zoomer men are the most sexless generation in history.
>>741667937No it does not Link 1 example lol
>>741668178>LosingTo whom?
>>741667513Why make it at all then? Seems like all this will do is lose money.
>>741688326The target audience for consoles isn't people who are smart enough to know how to build PCs(or have them built for them) despite it being "put the round peg in the round hole" tier.
>>741688439gosh ts makes me laugh so much i almost woke my wife up
>>741688639Motivator to improve steamOS
>>741667513Gaben has a fleet of six luxury yachts worth $1 billion total, if he sold those, he could subsidise half of the first 2 million Steam machine's cost, making them $500 instead of $1050(but really that money should be donated to ending world hunger or combating diseases).
When will corpos realize they have no chance of breaking into the console market? Even XBOX was technically too late and have been operating at a loss for like two decades.
>>741688754This fact alone makes me wonder how anyone could ever buy a game on Steam. You're giving your money to this fat fucking asshole.
>>741688639call it a steal, call it a bargain - at that price you're scalping THEM. That gadget is an all-in-one, a thousand bucks for a computer, a console, a portable ... they won. Even if your a normie casual & using it only as a console it's a 3-in-one as long as you log in & have a screen (everybody does)
>>741667513That quote literally fucking states it isn't being sold at cost you fucking retarded cunt
>>741688754Would steam increase its user if he did that?The machine isnt special enough for itMaybe if this was the deck 2
>>741688798Buying games anywhere gives money to billionaires running everything. There's no way out if you don't want to pirate stuff
>>741688963I don't see the japanese living extravagant lives. Miyamoto just sits on a park bench annoying kids about Pikmin, while that banana man actually did cut his salary when the WiiU was struggling. That's the Samurai Spirit. We're all in this together.
>>741667513This scam machine doesn't even have Noctua fans
>>741668168Sony did but they still need to manufacture current gen. If they bump prices by 300$ like valve did though.. LOL. especially before gtaVI. that'd be hilarious.
>>741688754Instead of buying a 500 million dollar yacht, Gabe could have spent 500 million dollars suing Mastercard and Visa over video game censorship and take it all the way to the Supreme Court
>>741689041Yeah Valve can do this eetarded shit because Steam is already massive and the Machine is just a drop in the bucketBut Sony's entire existence is dependent on a smooth transition to PS6
>>741689085Should be easy enough, just make sure the launch and first 5 years contains no games whatsoever. Worked since the PS3.
>>741689162>>741689085i have zero fucking clue how they can convince ps5 users to convertthe ps4->ps5 crossgen was already absurdbut i feel the ps5 is gonna be the default baseline spec devs target for like a whole generation the cross geb might last forever just because you cant risk making an absurdly expensive game exclusive to an expensive ps6 no one buys
>>741667682translation using my basic old WGU business administration degreewhat they are saying is that at worst after one fiscal year assuming two things that they sell less than 30% of their inventory and warehouse fees 3PL are like 15%, they will hurt for a few weeks until they invent some fuck ass sale like "animal husbandry sim sale"If they can convert at least half a million Nintendo/Sony/MS console players imo that is a success in my eyes, those idiots still pay for plus/game pass/nintendo pass
>>741667513https://pcpartpicker.com/product/crKKHx/western-digital-wd_black-sn850x-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t2x0e?history_days=365For 6+ months ever since black friday I've been kind of using the SN850X as a good marker for how the SSD market is doing, since it's tied at the hip to the RAM market because they both use NAND and yadda yadda. Over the past month the SN850X 2 terabyte model has come down by 200 bucks. It's still double the price it was when I bought it last black friday, but it's no longer triple the price. I do think there will be a degree of normalcy here at some point, just unsure when we will return to it exactly.
>>741689253sony will just wait it outthey have GTA6 and xbox already fucking dies
>>741667682>the money printer was great and all, but wouldn't it be funny if we just risked the entire company on trying the PC console thing again? Retard
>>741689815Not him, but Sony can't wait it out, but they also don't need to worry about this, they prepared so hard the PS6 will only cost $750 next year, the native handheld will cost the same amount as the Switch 2 this September, $500. Sony played it smart, unlike Microsoft who wanted to make a shitty PC.
>>741689953>they prepared so hard the PS6 will only cost $750 next yearI really dont believe that
>>741667580they probably won't see the same hike but be sold at a loss, simply because those companies depend on you owning the console.if you do not have it, you cannot buy their games, you are inaccessible for them as a customer.meanwhile, Valve doesn't have to give a shit and sell at a loss because any PC can access Steam, they don't need you to own a GabeCube to make money off you
anyone else have a ps5 linux machine? I got a pc too but feeling pretty good and just laughing about this whole steam machine disaster lol
The Ps6 is 900 bucks minimumLook at the damn specs of the thing
So where is all this money from AI exactly?Even the dot comes bubble had very real prospects with sites and advertising and worldwide reach, what the fuck is AI doing, where are they getting money?Every time I check AI companies are selling dreams and asking for gibs
>>741689953>PS5 has 15 games>they're selling PS6 next yearPlease tell me this is bait
>>741690173And it's sold at a loss to the company.
>>741668168Instead they'll get expensive consoles that are tied into streaming architecture, which means you'll be tied into subscription services as well. I believe the CTO for Xbox even mentioned renting/leasing consoles as a possibility.
>>741690180Tech companies are paying each other big sums of money in a massive circle jerk. Also government contracts. But yeah, there's a reason why everyone seems to be worried that it's possibly the biggest bubble ever.
>>741690180>what the fuck is AI doingSurveillance
>>741690194Ps5 came out 6 years ago, ps4 also had almost no games, ps3 also had almost no games.Sony is retarded and killed their studios and first parties, they're literally surviving only because of retarded normoids buying the latest Playstation and the latest sports/cod/bf game with some movies sprinkled in
>>741690243This isnt just the usual loss sony takesEven if they release it in 2028 theyll be losing a fuckton of money per unit sold
>>741690308It's not a possible, its a guarantee and all the stalling just keeps making it worse.The dotcom crash is gonna look like a joke and companies are in a loop of hot potatoeing each other praying theyre not the ones holding the bomb when it goes off while extending deadlins, asking the goverment and and hyping AI to get more time which isn't gonna do shit because the current design is never gonna reach the illusion they sold
>>741690180Anthropic is either profitable or very close to being profitable.>what the fuck is AI doingProgramming, cybersecuring, and reviewing code. These are the things LLMs do legitimately well.>Every time I check AI companies are selling dreams and asking for gibsAs a CS degree holding dude, I can tell you that they are unfortunately not selling dreams. At least for software development, AI is very real.
>>741690057>N3C monolithic chip>set up their RAM and SSD long-term contract years ago>has a significantly smaller die than Xbox Project Helix>is using a mobile chip with no NPU and using their own PSSR for AI stuff>BOM price post-RAM and SSD shortage is just around $740-$760>console is locked down, uses one store, and has paid online>store takes 30% from devs>no dedicated NPUSony can subsidize the PS6 and the chip they're using is a mass market value chip. It will be significantly cheaper than the Helix and Steam Machine and will use Ray Tracing and AI upscaling heavily. The PS6 will use a lot of tricks. Sony also heavily works with and co-develops their own chips hardware than Microsoft does with AMD, giving them a bigger discount.
>>741690493>one singular application is usable>one company might be close to being profitableJesus how does this not read like insanity to you?The sole factor increasing these stock prices is hype and the hope of reaching a theoretical point that they keep pushing forward.
>>741690725The fact that all tech companies had devastating losses these past weeks thar ARE STILL ONGOING while the hardware manufacture companies are at the top should be a clear sign of how retarded this entire thing is
>>741690194Singleplayer first-party, second-party, and licensed Sony IPs that they now co-develop will now be exclusive to PlayStation consoles. Not only that, after all the current shit coming, all their Western studios are getting the Media Molecule treatment, new leaders and gutting the teams down to a smaller size to focus more on gameplay over making hyper-realistic movies and live-service slop. Old Sony is coming back, but we may not see it until either next year or in 2028. These things take time.
>>741690725It's really not insanity. The state of the art models are not plateauing, they're getting better. Mythos/Fable seems to be exactly what they advertise it to be (too dangerous to release fully, the US govt agrees and banned it recently). Both OpenAI and Anthropic's models are genuine revolutions across the entire software development world, and probably just tech and STEM in general. They're both also still private so there aren't any stocks yet. When they IPO I imagine they will make infinite money though.
Who are we trying to fool here? Valve has hired several hardware engineers full time and they have to see returns on the investment. Valve's employees are famously well paid so the returns have to be huge.
>>741667682Do you have any idea how much money Valve would have to burn in order to go bankrupt?They make like 15 billion dollars a year and only employ a few hundred people. Their war chest is probably larger than that of a small European nation's GDP.They can afford to do experimental stuff like this precisely because they have cash to burn.
>>741690864seems is doing some heavy lifting there.
>>741690864>not insanityThen you go and type>seems >probably>imagineImportant steps yeah but not worth the hype, it was built upon nothing but maybes and hopefully and it's starting to reach a critical point
>>741689704Okay but when
>>741667580Next-gen won't be pretty.
>>741690493>Programming, cybersecuring, and reviewing code. These are the things LLMs do legitimately well.And yet every app/website/game is somehow performing worse than ever, they're buggier than ever, and data breaches / supply chain attacks are occurring more often than ever. Where exactly are the benefits here?
>>741691763For Xbox
"at cost" including managerial overhead and yacht fees
>>741692003Only Nintendo will be safe, because they started a little earlier.Trust me, PS6 won't be cheap. Xbox is dead already it doesn't enter the equation.
>>741667513isn't that the capitalist dream?
>>741672586NTA but yes it's the same
>>741687946The PS5 Pro is already 900 bucks minus a disk drive. I doubt it'd be that cheap
>>741667513imagine believing pr spins and vague damage control statements in 2026
>>741668203>slightly behind par specs>slightly behind>slightly
>>741690725Amazon was unprofitable for 9 years. That doesn't mean investors were stupid for buying it, they got their money's worth eventually.
>>741672586>>741692193It's similar but not the same. It's not locked down like those razors or other consoles, and that's why they can't sell it cheaply by subsidizing it - you would get companies that buy their stock for office PC's or whatever if you could just wipe the thing and install their own shitware on it for a cheaper deal than buying their own.But, they are happy to sell at what is pretty much is cost (as far as any for-profit company can sell "at-cost") for essentially brand awareness and advertising; if the regular consumer who buys it never changes from SteamOS then they're more likely to buy from Steam just because it's pushed as the easy default option, even if they could get a game cheaper elsewhere. They also want their logo to be the first thing people see on their TV, so when their friends come round to play games or whatever, they're gonna be pushed Steam and their services over any other competition.
>>741692161Sony's using a value mass market small ass mobile chip, their home console BOM price for PS6 post-RAM and SSD, is just at $740-$760 and they already have the contract. They can price it at either $700 or $750. The PS6 native handheld BOM price is just at $400-$450 putting that price at $500. Sony isn't even using performance cores, they're using low power CPU cores for this with dense cores. I never knew how tech illiterate /v/ was. Aren't you guys PCfags?
>>741670972Phones are part of the botnet, they'll have no trouble getting a deal from ram.
>>741692586It's clearly the same in that these consoles will obviously generate more demand for steam products and in the end make them more money than they lost.
>>741692713Its not the same because the original examples were about selling the core device cheaply or even for free in order to get a longer term profit by making the device unusable without going back to the original company for addons. This is not that, you could buy a Steam Machine and never interact with steam or valve in any way ever again.
>b-but, it’s simply costs as much as the parts cost-And the reason why those parts cost as much as they do is over complete bullshit, so much bullshit that you cannot justify making the average consumer eat the cost. I honestly think they should have scrapped this
>>741692787 Do you know you can buy non-Gillette refills for their popular razors and jailbreak consoles to sidestep their stores?
>>741692914wrongit's still good for them to get actual desktop steamos user feedback so they can iron out the kinks so that other hardware manufacturers can followthere's no reason to delay the rape of microsoft
>>741667513>nyoooo we can't afford to subsidize this product the way every console manufacturer does, we make 30% from every game sale exactly the same way they do but... we just can't okay!!Valvefags will defend this
>>741693516valve wants others to make the steam machine, they just want to develop steamos and lay down blueprintsif they subsidise it they have the deck situation where everyone defaults to their hardware
>>741693289>it's still good for them to get actual desktop steamos user feedbackYou can literally install steamos on your own build instead of buying this overpriced dredge???
>>741693565>they have the deck situation where everyone defaults to their hardwareThat would be horrible. Imagine releasing a hardware that's actually popular and isn't just a vanity side project. That's not the way Valve does it, they don't ACTUALLY want to sell hardware, they just like the idea of being in the hardware business
>>741693630retard, valve doesn't want to be in the hardware business, they want to lay down a fucking standard that hardware manufacturers will follow and they have to do it by example
>>741693595you want valve to rely on fucking volunteers?no, steamos needs actual real world user feedback
>>741693715>you want valve to rely on fucking volunteers?That’s what they’re doing anyway, no one but the most diehard steamies are gonna buy this shit at that price
>>741693630Yeah no shit?The hardware is just a front.They're softare autists who use it to peddle Linux.
>>741693782those diehard steamies have computers significantly more powerful than the cube you fucking idiot
>>741667580When they run out of their stockpiles and have to sign new contracts. They'll do it slowly and they'll spread out the price increases over everything, not just the console. They're already doing this.
>>741667513at least we owned the libs...
>>741667580Console cost is subsidised by PSN and other hidden cost.
>>741668168They already have. The PS6 was initially supposed to come out at the end of this year or next year, I forgot which. Which is a really retarded idea by Sony because no one could buy it outside of scalpers until Covid was over which was early 2023 so realistically the PS5 has only been available to people for like three and a half years, not five. It would be better to delay to 2028 which is when this is supposed to ease up due to Google's new memory management or something, factories increasing supply in general, and China has already shown they're able to supply some of the lower end and lesser important chips to take the burden off from that angle.
>>741693881That doesn’t change the fact that this shit is terribly valued. If the target isn’t enthusiasts then valve failed, if the goal was to get steamOS to a bunch of people then they shot themselves in the foot
>>741694057Your tech illiteracy is showing again. Sony has contracts and they can't go against them. 2027 it is, and it'll be $700.
>>741694367>ps5 pro is $900>ps6 will be $700 despite using more expensive and more advanced silicon, having more memory and more storage
>>741671869It's pretty much the same game on the phone. Although the swoop race controls are dog shit. It just isn't that good of a game. I got pissed when I found out that conpanions could get too high force points at the end of the game and it resets at 0. My buffer jolee would go from luke 230 to 30 up by casting a buff
>>741679769Yeah this makes no sense as a cost leader because it's not an exclusive gateway to an experience you can't get elsewhere.When Sony says they are selling their shit at cost, they are doing it with the assumption that people who buy it will buy more of their software down the line. This probably isn't going to impact actual steam sales, especially when a lot of the people who are interested were already buying stuff off steam anyways.
>>741694428PS5 Pro is made to be premium, PS6 home console is made to be mass market, less SSD, a small mobile chip with no performance cores, made for ray tracing and AI upscaling, no NPU block, monolithic. Sony already got the BOM price to $760. Thing isn't going to be as expensive as the Pro. They have long contracts, man. I swear /v/'s filled with low IQs now.
>>741694749ah yes, magic memory and storage that's cheaper despite being made on the same silicon and silicon that's supposedly more economical despite the fact that ps5 pro more expensive on a mature processall reason has left you retard
>>741694891N3C, contracts made years in advance. I don't know why this is hard for /v/ to understand. Only PCs are truly fucked by this, looking at you Xbox Project Helix and Steam Machine. Also, you shouldn't call anyone a retard when your stupid ass doesn't understand a lick of how a fuck bills of material work. Shut up and get schooled, you low IQ nigger. Gaming is Nintendo's and Sony's now, consoles won. You either accept it and get them next gen, or you get the fuck out.
>>741695052>if i repeat buzzwords then it's truen3c is not cheaper per wafer than n4p the pro is on you fucking apeyou repeat shit like voodoo without actually understanding it, you just heard it's economical and you repeat it like a parrot
>>741687946You forgot we're talking about GAYmers hereThey can take anything
>>741668124Anime character exclusively liked by pajeets.
>>741668157Honestly, aren't you guys tired of modern gaming and its exorbitant prices by now? We never needed more technology than a $49 GameCube to enjoy gaming. The graphics were more than good enough, and the hardware was powerful enough to allow for solid 3D gameplay while still being limiting enough that developers didn't have to make those shitty open worlds. What a waste of industry.
>>741667580Why do you think Sony and Microsoft are going back to exclusives? Consoles are already sold at a loss, and both companies do NOT have the large library of games they had a long time ago to make up for it.They need every big game they have to be exclusive for their console to not flop. Both companies are in survival mode.
>>741667513rip
ps6 is gonna launch with a payment plan like phones do lmao
>>741667513Weren't there people saying you could build a PC as good if not better than the Steam Machine for like $700-$800 a couple of months ago? Andnitbcould be even cheaper since Valve could negotiate better prices with manufscturers? What happened?
>>741695797>Valve could negotiate better pricesin tech jesus video Valve said they give them a price every month or they laugh and never speak to them again
>>741690180>where are they getting money?Tax dollars. And when they go under they'll also get your tax dollars to prop them up because the government spent too much tax dollars in the first place.
>>741668779Yes, let’s tell Microsoft to stop serving a billion+ AI users for a crumb of unemployed Xbox gamers.
>>741695797>could negotiate better prices with manufscturers?Nobody but AI data centers can do that right now. AI is paying through the nose for RAM and storage for the foreseeable future, they have absolutely no reason to settle for video game machines.
>>741695525Things keep going this way and we'll be back to that era in no time.
>>741667513>build mini-itx pc 10 years ago>cheaper than a gabecube without taking account the inflation>can still play my main games and every non AAA releaseWhat's the appeal?
>>741667513I fucking hate A.I.
>>741669187the thing the niggers responding to you isn't telling you is that the steamcube comes with valve's support, which is absolutely phenomenalif anything happens to it, they'll most likely send a replacement even before they receive the broken machine, you also don't need to figure out how to build the thing yourself, which isn't that hard mind you, but depending on the components and/or the mix of them, if you don't know what you're doing, you might end up having to ask a friend or even get it to a shop that can do it for you (aka extra costs)building it yourself has its pluses too of course, you can easily swap out anything broken and/or outdated, but that's not really something realistic for most first time PC gaymers
>>741667513>>741668157yeah it's fucked
>>741667513But why lie about something you can just check and see it's false? I can get a PC that destroys this pos for 600$ lessYou can get a base PS5, which is also slightly better, for EIGHT HUNDRED less
>>741667682>Valve>Going bankrupt Keep dreaming, Timmy.
>>741667580Sony sells the ps5 at a lossPs+ signatures are their profit
im buying a 2TB steam machineI have money, it's great. I will not elaborate further
>>741698389Can attest, they swnt me a replacement Index cable no questions ask, didn't even ask for the broken one back
>>741668157it will be 1k subsidised with no disk drive with controller thats my prediction for it if valve are struggling for components
>>741699542yeah, that happened to me three times (steam controller v1, index left knuckle and then one of the motion detectors too) and every time they'd just send me one as soon as I'd say it was dead and we'd deal with the label and sending it back after I'd received them (tho they never did ask for my broken motion sensor)
>>741668858>If you want to point fingers are anyone, point them at AI. This is Sam Altman, Jensen Huang, Google, Elon Musk, Donald Trump and all of you who push for AI.
>>741667513The funny part of the current market situation comes when the corporations and investors learn about the long-term upkeep and service fees associated with AI datacenters and that they bought into a bottomless money pit with no guarantee of return, results, or any path to profitability.
>>741700692>2018
>>741701073Yes. His investment came back to bite him.
>>741667580>when
>>741667513do you not have a PC?
