Why were people angry against Fire Emblem on the Nintendo DS
They are extremely fucking ugly in UI and presentation.
>>741677858Because they didn't get the game on the left.
>>741678021yeahshadow dragon sucks, new mystery is good
>>741677969We got spoiled by the GBA animations.
for me, its engage
>>741677858>art style was a failed attempt at trying to be a middle ground between the NES and GBA games>remake of an already very basic game that also introduced new characters while still keeping the story minimal>horrific battle animations that looked downright primitive even for the time>not particularly fun because it's very barebones
>>741677858they couldn't handle the kino
>>741678832I love equiping emblem
>>741678832Sweet nigger biscuits what the fuck happened to this series
>>741679146Don't forgot>new content (maps and characters) can only be accessed by killing off 80% of your units >only other major features are 5 extra versions of rng hard and reclassing with 0 thought behind itSD was the game that was so bad it nearly killed the series. Only good thing is they fucked up so hard they did a complete 180 and made SoV good.
>>741680630Waifus, shounen moves, and character interactions caused FE to sell a shit ton. Turns out, that's the secret sauce to making a turn-based grid-based strategy game profitable.
>>741680952>It nearly killed the seriesDisingenuous 3DS fag speak, Radiant Dawn was the one that sold the worst and even then the series was better off dead than being an anime schoolhouse DLC fest
The series only took off with Awakening because of smashfags, and the only thing keeping it going now is fujos and trannies.
>>741681604>>741681771Why do people who hate the modern games always sound so angry and unhappy and also like redditors trying too hard to fit in???
>>741678154just about sums it up. New Mystery DS is very under rated
>>741680630>nigger biscuitsnigger weave
>>741677858New Mystery has a lot of problems, but I really do like the idea of Kris. To an extent, I even think that as far as the "avatar" concept goes he's still the best since the customization never reaches that level ever again (which is a damn crime, honestly).
>>741681849>Reddit out of nowhereAnon, you are the redditors...
>>741677858I liked it
>>741680952>made SoV good????????
>>741681771>because of smashfagsFire emblems success has nothing to do with smash, if anything it has only hurt the series
>>741677858The ugly look and the lack of a lot of the features that Western fans had gotten used to at that point.
>>741682413You underestimate how many games were sold to children who assumed Marth and Roy were going to be in them
>>741680952>made SoV good
>>741681215>Turns out, that's the secret sauce to making any slop profitable.Fixed.
>>741682491I honestly dont think ot was that many, I dont even know anyone who got into fe because smash, hell i didn't even realize sacred stones was the series marth and Roy were from when I got it
>>741677858current fire emblem can only get into the anime design characters, simple as
What would you do in a remake?
>>741682635Cuz FEfags are larpers and like to pretend they didn’t get into it because of smashAn honest man admits he thought marth was cool in melee
>>741682842give Ilyana an accent
>>741677858SD looked worse than the gba games and reclassing is dumb. But most importantly the maps/enemies weren't changed at all to account for the weapon triangle or anything. The original is unironically more enjoyable, even if you're a zoomer who isn't affected by nostalgia. New Mystery is really good though, probably the best FE on DS/3DS
>>741682893which kind?
>>741677858Gba animations. Regular people were really not prepared for better tech but looks like shit back then when they were used to going from Tekken 1 to soul calibur in 4 years
>>741682842Just make it faster and have good animations, the game is fine otherwise>>741682891I really just dont think thats the case for most people >>741682945>The original is unironically more enjoyable,I wouldn't go that far
>>741682580>Know very little about SoV apart from the rewind feature>Look into it one day and find out that most of the character dialogue was translated in the vein of Fates' Pickle PalsIm aware the characters where basically made of cardboard in the original but is this shit really necessary
>>741682842>obvious visual enhancements >faster battles>combat display during battles (how the fuck did they forget this?)>scrap Maniac, make an actual proper Lunatic Mode where the difficulty doesn't come from enemy spam>give bonus exp a level cap for each chapter so you use it for its intended purpose of raising bench shitters instead of making your juggernauts even more busted>get rid of Biorhythm (it's not as annoying as in RD but it's still a stupid mechanic)>overhaul Laguz so they feel better to use>make winning the BK fight a bit less RNG dependent >buff magic slightly since they kinda suck in this game>add ranged daggers from RD and let Sothe promote
>>741678154>new mystery is goodyou can only fool people who haven't playes itnew mystery is trash jist like shadow dragon
>>741681604based truth speaker
>>741683469I played it and he's 100% right
whats the fe equivalent of this?
>>741683469Both are good thoughbeiy
>>741683630Unironically the Tellius games.
>>741682951Jersey
>>741681771actual schizo post
>>741683630These posts>>741681604>>741683553Performative whinging by nu-male crybabies crying about anime.
>>741682256No. I'm pretty sure people crying about the surface level anime aesthetic are the real redditors my passive aggressive little bitch friend
>>741684701>Surface levelI think there's a slight difference between having an anime art style and stuff like petting your units like dogs and bathhouse levels that unlock CGs of Tharja's buttcrack
>>741681215FE Engage sold like shit thoughever
>>741677858They're ugly as shit and were pick and choosy on what mechanics they'd add.Also Shadow Dragon had that retarded replacement mechanic that was retarded, also Nerfed Marth to the point hes dogshit in it. Went from being the best unit in FE1 to the worst lord in the series here.New Mystery adds Kris and all the retarded bullshit extra stuff related to that.That being said they're still better than Awakening.
>>741678205Uh, no. They just REALLY look fucking ugly. Also the artstyle for it was more realistic leaning which further threw people off after the previous 5 games had a more anime artstyle.
>>741683630>We must tolerate the anime slop of Engage. IT HAS GOOD GAMEPLAY I SWEAR.
>>741685074FE fans be like>MORE ANIME>LESS ANIME>A LITTLE BIT MORE ANIME>TOO MUCH ANIME>Oooh Perfect...>throws game>I HATE ANIME
>>741685221If you don't see the difference between someone like Florina and literally any FE woman character post Awakening, you're a fucking idiot.
>>741685324I know the difference retard, I've just noticed FE fans have a pretty weird relationship with anime. Especially the weirdos who think this series is closer to something like Game of Thrones than to Lodoss.
>>741685324If by post you mean after and by any you mean most excluding 3H then maybeBecause Sumia and Cordelia are not over designedHinoka is probably one of the simplest Fates characters3H has traditional FE aestheticsChloe is also a normal FE designThe pegs have changed the least tbqh
>>741685324Shes not much different from Chloe desu
>>741685529I mean FE was based on medevil fantasy so it's fine if it has a more "mature" artstyle, and you could argue even the anime aesthetic of the GBA games are more akin to the common style of 90s anime, but that doesn't mean the series should ever go towards an actual slop artstyle. No one bitched about 3H's artstyle, for example. Whether the setting and characters fit are a different argument entirely, but even Awakening was toeing the line until Fates snapped it, there was a momentary peak with SOV and then Engage was like 9/11 for the franchise's identity. Now we're stuck with Nigga Marth, Nigga Edelgard and Not Alucard.
>>741685597>3H has traditional FE aestheticsNo it does not
>>741685643Ingrid is a normal green peg
>>741685693The timeskip designs are more FE but the school uniforms definitely aren't. Leonie with the sweater tied around her waist looks like she'd fit right in as a Persona 4 NPC you talk to after school.
>>741685642>No one bitched about 3H's artstyleIts crazy to see history revisionism in real time, when the game was first announced literal all anyone did was bitch about the artstyle
>>741685757Artstyle is not the same as character designs. Don't get it confused.
>>741685125>We must tolerate the 3HRT slop. IT HAS GOOD GAMEPLAY I SWEAR.
>>741685757They bitched about it looking like a N64 game not the art style>>741685747All of them wearing the same colors maybe but the outfit itself would look fine on any mage or noble in prior games.
>>741685597>3H has traditional FE aestheticsHAHAHAHAHAHA
i prefer engages colorful artstyle.it reminds me of simplier times and like the gba times.
>>741685846>tranny shitting on 3H thinking engage is a straight man's gameLol. Lmao even.
>>741685970>>741685970>straight man's gamethinking straight white man's game
>>741685868I don't recall any mages that looked like straight up schoolgirls. Maybe Ilyana at most.
>>741685812>>741685868No no stop trying to switch it up, people complained about the soulless eyes, the flat colors, the bad material work, all of thats apart of the artstyle. But I guess now that its socially acceptable to like 3h we act like that never happened. Its kinda crazy I remember when the game was first announced I was like the only one defending it saying it didn't look that bad but now everyone's done a 180
>they have a faggot named yuriyou cant make this shit up
>>741686028Im not white
>>741686050I remember everyone was making fun of Dimitri's ramen hair for months but that got memoryholed now that he's the biggest female pussy soaker in the series.
>>741686084we know
>>741686050>>741685812
>>741686171Thats the art style retard
>>741686249If you didn't eat breakfast this morning, how would that make you feel?
>>741686302He brought up features that are common traits on all of Chinatsu's (or I guess Kusakihara's if we're talking about the portraits) characters. That's artstyle.
>>741686302Thats kinda sad bro, you're so dumb you dont even realize you're dumb
fe12 is great, but after a no-reclassing playthrough I'm out of ideas for challenge runs
>>741686641So play a different game?
>>741686421Why are you talking about yourself like that?
>>741686675I do, but they're not as good as fe12. After playing a few mediocre new games I often want to go back and replay something better. So ideally I'd replay fe12 every few years with some added gimmick.
>>741677858low effort, regressed mechanically and in terms of graphics, story sucked donkey balls with no effort to upgrade it, literally you could go chapters with no dialogue
>>741683106they weren't really, people complain about hurty lightning I guess
>>741687159It switches back and forth between being quippy and being excellently written like the whole scene where Fernand leaves the Liberation.
>>741687397>excellently writtenRead a book im begging you
>>741687689You're acting like I'm comparing it to Dostoevsky. The scene was written well for what it wanted to do.
>>741677858Shadow Dragon is extremely bare bones for a remake, the only real new thing being reclassing. The artstyle is contentious, there are no support conversations, the addition of the weapon triangle actively screws over certain units after a point due to not reworking enemy distribution while others are screwed over by their abysmal join stats and growths that make Karla look tempting to use, and the new units added are locked behind the easy mode paralogue or actively getting most of your army killed instead of placing them in gaiden chapters. I enjoy the pick up and play nature of it, but a lot of people want more than that.New Mystery severely retcons Marth's story to make Kris the most important character by stealing his feats to hand them to (you). Standing up to Lang is now Marth and Jagen following (you)r lead, Marth's trust in his army standing against Hardin and Arcanea is reduced to everything being fine because (you)'re there. It completely dumps on the story the original Mystery tells to wank (you) off. Doesn't help that most people's first experience was a mistranslation that i'll sum up as "Hello random stranger, my brother is a little bitch that cries when his men get a papercut!"Aside from that, the assassin subplot is underbaked, they target like five guys out of the near hundred playable characters, and past a certain point they once again didn't bother to balance the multitude of characters they throw at you at all. Both games needed more time in the oven, but IS needed something after Radiant Dawn shit the bed in sales.
>>741686641Reverse Recruitment
somniel... home...
>>741680630I-I-Is that a c-cute g-girl?! AIIEEEEE SAVE ME IKE-SAMA!!
>>741678832People defend this faggotry unironically.
>>741686070Actually the japanese name was Ulysses but Treehouse thought that was too complicated to read for american audiences.
>>741685324Are we actually so far gone that we're acting like Florina is not a generic anime character? You've seen her type a thousand times.
>>741677858it's badit's also ugly as shit
>>741688556>>741685324I think he means the new FE girls are too overdesigned and sexy. Which, eh. There is quite a bit of range between every game and even within one game, and Florina herself has an A grade zettai ryouiki last I checked so no really.
>>741688126My real home is this...
>>741688729That seems ridiculous to me, being fine with generic anime characters as long as they're designed a certain way, I would never obsess over characters for small details like that, especially not if they were purple.
>>741688801Also I think it's kind of absurd to view Florina in the modern lens. Back then that was a generic looking anime character. Same for FE4's designs, they were stylized after various 90s anime's aesthetics. Florina only wouldn't look generic to someone that hasn't seen anime from that time period.
>>741688975>Florina only wouldn't look generic to someone that hasn't seen anime from that time periodPretty much. Which is why the "FE ISNT ANIME" crowd is so annoying. Yes, yes it's anime, always was, you're just too uncultured to see it.
>>741677858>Ugly artstyle>First remake too faithful to the original, and had you kill characters to gain secret units >Second remake's avatar was seen as shoehorned and pointless, when not outright making the plot worse.Shadow Dragon is nowadays more liked now that people have realized the NES games were made with ironman runs in mind instead of the "reset once an unit dies" playstyle future games had
>>741677858i wouldn't say angry but it's more like disappointment since they lacked any of the charm the last several games at the time had. also they're worse than their originals.
>>741677858Shadow Dragon is terrible.New Mystery is good.
>>741689394I find Shadow Dragon on its hardest difficulty more tolerable.
>>741689152It's literally the selling point, losing your guys when they died. That people see iron man as a challene is wild to me.
>>741677858The only people who say shadow dragon was a bad remake are the ones who haven’t played FE1 because that game is unplayable boomer dogshit
>>741690394FE3 Book 1 is fine though, and the only difference between that and SD is a few maps.
>>741690394Fire Emblem 1 is dogshit.Fire Emblem 1 remake is dogshit.
>>741677858>second game forever untranslated
I didn't like the models in 1 and that you can't really interact with your units that much.
>>741677858One of if not the ugliest videogame of all time.
>>741677858Pernadeath is an outdated mechanic and should be reworkedIt shouldnt be removed completly since it adds a lot to the game by making every decision count and encourages you to think ahead but it also makes it so that players rely to much on turtleling and play the game as slow as possible without any riskIdeally there would be a middle ground where if a unit loses all its HP they are injured and cant be used for the next few chapters or get a stat debuff they can still die if they lose again while having a stat debuff or are injured It would make the playe more likely to experiment a bit and use more intersting tactics while still punishing overly risky play
>>741695332If you want more margin for error you can play on a lower difficulty. The disagreement mostly boils down to people wanting to be able to make more or less mistakes.
>>741677858Not a Kaga defender so I liked New MysteryThe models are shit garbage fuck shit and Shadow Dragon was very dry because of its age and tbf so was New Mystery>>741684187this
>>741677858It was the ugliest artstyle FE ever had. Maybe FE4/5 could be worse since all the long faces made everyone look like men in their portraits
>>741695561the problem is no matter how much you plan eventually youre gonna make a mistake and lose a unit and modern games allow you to redo turns which is even worseThis completly trivializes the game And even if you decide not to use these mechanics the designer assumes you would use it and decide to design the map with bullshit ambushes that you cant possible predict because you can just time travel back and undoe everything
We need to bring 2D sprites back
>>741677969New Mystery was fine. You can judge a FE fame based on it's Tiki and while Shadow Dragon's was bad her New Mystery Portrait is okay.
>>741677858Echoing everyone, man are these games ugly. New Mystery is a little better but it's still not winning any awards. They're an absolute delight to come back to, on the other hand. The lack of fluff in between chapters, number of difficulties, and the sheer amount of units make them arguably the most easy to come back to.
>>741677858I don't know, I liked SD. I really like the presentation with characters being faceless and stuff on the map and in battles, it just looks a lot cooler to me than the other games, it has a sort of realistic feel to it.
>>741678832As someone who started with Awakening, I really feel like an OG Fire Emblem who witnessed what Awakening did after seeing what Engage is doing right now
>>741695332They could do a Star Fox "if they die they're to injured to join the next chapter" route. That way they can still have a punishment while not needing to write around the possibility of 95% of the cast being dead
>>741695332>>741697541oh, that's basically what you said. I guess that's what I get for replying halfway into reading your post
>>741682842Enemy turn skip or just make it faster, battle forecast numbers in the actual battle screen, scrolls don't disappear when unequipping them, add in the cut weapons (Rexflame, Rexcalibur, etc), GBA link maps unlocked after completing the game a set number of times or some other way, add lunatic mode for every region, give Sothe a promotion or increase his status caps, rework the Double Bow to how it works in RD, rework the Warrior/Berserker mastery skill to not suck.
>>741677858Isnt FE 3 a remake of 1 wiht extra content?Is new mystery also a remake of shadow dragon now?
