>single channel RAMOH NO NO NO NO NO NO
Genuinely why didn't they just cancel it?As a product this us laughably bad
>>741689486Pcbros will pay the money no matter what.
>>741689385Were you hoping for 2x 8gb or something?Even the most dedicated ear biting lobotomite knows fewer sticks are better.Unless you're trying to tell me you were expecting anything more than 16gb, then you need a lobotomy
The Steam Machine will always be a joke.
>>741689551>>pcbrosWTF AHAHAHAI typed valve + drones togetherAHAHAHAHA THE VALVESHILL MODS PUT IN A NEW FILTERNOT FOR TRANNYNOT FOR JEETNOT FOR XSHITTER LINK OR ANYTHING
>>741689641>NEW FILTERthat's been filtered for about a decade...
>>741689694Literally never seen it. PC + fat was filtered for that long.
>>741689385I have never once in my life seen any benefit from splitting your ram into two modules and I've been fucking around with my computers since DDR was a thing. Dual channel is snake oil
>>741689641They also prevent you from posting if you say "PCuc.k"
>>741689641Lurk at least 20 years before posting.
>>741689385ddr5 is dual channel on single stick
>>741689551What pc bro would want this? They already have a machine with upgradable parts
>>741689486It's not tho. In the current market is quite literally priced almost exactly on point. The only way you can get better is DIY with used parts. Nothing from a store compares.
>>741689579It's insane that they have made the EXACT SAME MISTAKE as this piece of shit
>>741689385>here's why>this is what happened next>here's what I learnt>you wouldn't BELIEVE what he didDeath to all who write like that
>>741689725I had as single channel build before and had like 30% fps boost in some games after upgrading to dual channel. you're a retard.
>>741689798It's crazy how value the Steam deck was before the price hike then comes the overpriced controller, now the machinebaka gayben baka
>>741689823You didn't upgrade to "dual channel" fucking idiot. You upgraded from poorfag 2 GB RAM to 4 most likely back in 08. Same would happen with the same mount of RAM in a single stick
>>741689641There's no way Pcbro is filtered
>>741689898lol retard. it was ddr3 1x16gb to 2x8gb upgrade.
>>741689486Because it was already 2 years late, adding another 2 years would have made it even MORE laughingly bad
>>741689793>The only way you can get better is DIY with used parts.False.
>>741689560>fewer sticks are better.
>>741690065big ass loud whirrrrrrr sucky sucky electricno thank
>>741689641testing: pcbros
>>741690165pcbrosvalve drones
>>741690121smartest Steam Machine consumer
>>741689385so what pc do i buy?
>>741689385perhaps we treated it too harshly
>>741690235depends on your budget, your use-case, and where you live
>>741689486it's just low range pc. this is what they cost now
i thought two sticks was just for the sake of stability. i guess if you have the ram stick go bad it's just a RRoD for you
>>741690235mac mini
>>741689385the weirdest decision is the traditional dual chip cpu/gpu design with dedicated memory instead of an APU with shared fast gddr6, giving it a big bandwith and memory management handicap compared to proper consoles
>>741690312$1500 AUD, small footprint daily use PC and light gaming (~ 2-10gb install size games), Australia.
>>741689486Golems will buy anything from Brand™ they like. Almost any prebuilt is better value
>>741690320it's marketed as "desktop class" when it simply isn't. It's all laptop class components with no upgradeability outside of an extra M.2 slot and DDR5 SODIMM memory
>>7416903121500-2000 burgerbux, i wanna learn 3d, emulate ps3 games and play ac8 with good settings. i live in a house
>>741690285no, it got exactly what it deservedOuya is the same kind of streaming machine the AI hardware scarcity is intended to drive consumers towards as an 'alternative' to unobtainable and unaffordable computer hardware
>>741690451>>741690516This >>741690428 unironicallyif you need Linux or Windows, the AtomMan G1 might fit your budgets.This is assuming you need it to be compact. If you don't, check pcpartpicker and spec out the parts yourself within budget.
>>741689823ram doesn't affect fps retard, unless you play some absolutely broken game made by imbeciles
>>741690649>unless you play some absolutely broken game made by imbecilesSo basically any game made since 2019?
>Can just build your own PC>Or just be a dummy and buy a pre-built, which is better than the gaycube
>>741690756I like how every random /v/ poster picks a random year where they believe games turned to shit. Weird how you picked 2019, I guess its because it seems old enough now but it only exposes you as a newfaggot retard.
>>741690572Yeah the g1 is looking very nice to me.
>>741690649another mouth breather appears. holy shit, we need age verification on this site. dual channel doubles your memory bandwidth you fucking braindead imbecile, it absolutely affects FPS.
>>741690095>fell for the bait
>>741690520This.
>>741689385>HERE'S WHY
>>741689486Because they would have had to write off what they already had produced. They've been in a holding pattern currently for continued production.
>>741689560Don't post. You're degenerate.
>>741689641jesus, how new are you
>>741689641>VALVEKEKS
>>741689486Because there is no future where PC parts get cheaper. Anyone jeering about the price now is blissfully unaware of the very possible reality that PC parts will simply no longer be a thing in the near future.
>>741694318I'm a 2019 oldfag and I totally forgot it was wordfiltered
>>741694691>I'm a 2019 oldfag
>>741689385Is it even a competing mini pc or nah?
>>741689486>As a product this us laughably bad"Mom I want the gabecube for my birthday">gets gabecube"Mom why doesn't fortnite work on my gabecube?"This shit is cooked anyways, this is a deranged manchildren only product
Is my PC better than the 'Machine?
>>741695289it's about the same
>>741689486Sunk cost, they most likely already did all the r&d and maybe ordered a bunch of parts and decided to go with it instead of eating a complete loss. The thing will not be sold anymore in 2 or 3 years if the market stay the same and people will forget it like the steam link of that time gaben tried to sell mod in partnership with bethesda.
>>741689641Pcbros
>>741689551it's not for pc master race
>>741689486Selling little and being mocked for a little is better than just losing money
>>741689486>change RAM to DDR4>downgrade the CPU a bit>get more SSD space>charge $800This shit ain't rocket science.
>>741689385>>74168964199% of PC users here on /v/ has worse PC specs than Steam machine
>>741689641it took me forever to realize that filter was there, too, don't feel badit all starts to make sense once you recognize this place cant get adverts and sold out to israeli intelligence a decade agoback when this place was relevant there were probably all kinds of backchannel deals to shape discourse here in exchange for reduced costs
>>741689385As always, blame AI. The original price point, calculating backwards, would have been like 600/700.
>>741695696>change RAM to DDR4>downgrade the CPU a bitThat is not nearly as simple as you think it is.
>>741689385its gonna be on clearance in 2-3 years like how vita tv was a dumbass move and barely sold.
I don't get all the fuss about the price. Isn't the 1000$ price a decent enough price for and low end/entry level PC?. For references when I checked the most popular pc dealer in my country, the cheapest prebuild PC they are selling is about the same specks as the steam box (biggest difference is that it has double the storage), but it cost 1400$ on sale and the normal price is 1750$. Is it just the Norwegian prices that extra fucked or is there something else that I'm missing?
>>741689385Doesn't Linux handle single channel ram better than Windows does?
>>741689551No lol
>>741695289Yes
>>741689486To us it’s bad. Maybe these were already manufactured by the time the RAMpocalypse began? It also seems to be targeting the “Hipster Avocado Toast Idiot Millennial” demographic.
>>741689641This can't be fucking realtest: pcbros
>>741689486If you think it's bad, you have no idea how bad the market is. Thinking the market is going to get any better within the next five years is also delusional. It's only going to get worse until more factories are built and AI might just hoover all that up as well.
>>741696334That pc is about 3 times the power of the steamcube
>>741696385It does but it's still objectively an inferior way to handle ram processing.
>>741689641Newfaggot senpai desu
>>741689560Holy shit you cannot be this desperate for replies.
>>741695696>just make it worse than it already is. That will sell it lol
Looking forward for valve losing money. Like all big corpos, a bit humbling wont hurt them much.
>>741689486it's a halo product to get them a foothold into the console/tv gaming market. if it doesn't sell it doesn't really matter. the overall purpose of having this device is having some brand recognition. the steam machine 2, 3 etc will likely be cheaper and much more successful.
>>741689641pretty sure that's been a thing, other classic phrases get marked as spam
>>741689486Pretty much this, it's a net negative to everyone.
>>741696916>the steam machine 2, 3 etc will likely be cheaper and much more successful.Hate to break it to you, but this is the Steam machine 2 here you´re talking about. The 1st steam machine was a flop (rightfully so) and it looks like the 2nd one will be aswell. Both times, they´re making the same faulty assumptions. Maybe the SM3 in 2035 will finally catch on.
>>741689739A lot of people don’t realize this yet. It took forever to teach people who were building their first rigs to always use even numbers and to space them correctly. Those habits take forever to go away. You’ll probably still hear this from someone randomly in 10 years. That isn’t to say that 2 sticks isn’t faster. It is, but it is extremely negligible now.If I was buying a Cube, I would prefer if I received the 1 dimm version over the 2 8gb sticks. Your future upgrade will be cheaper.
>>741689385well you should have scuppered the entire project
>>741696583>That pc is about 3 times the power of the steamcubeWhat the makes the pc I posted supposedly so much more powerfull. The main differences I see is >8GB DDR6 VRAM VS 8GB DDR7 VRAM>Some more cores and threads on the CPU of the PC>The steam machine actually used DDR5 RAM compared to DDR4 on the PC, don't the the Hz of the Steam machine. I fail to see any really meaningful difference between them then other then a better CPU on the PC
>>741689641valvecattles ≠ "pcbros"they're on the same level as console niggers with their cuck machine 9000
>>741690474If you want upgradeability then I wouldn't get a Steam Machine. This kind of product is for the dummies who couldn't upgrade a pencil by sharpening it
>>7416973185060 is considerably more powerful. I'm not sure it's 400 USD more powerful or whatever the premium is though.
But..... What be RAM?
>>741696583Not even remotely close. It's like 1.2x or more of a tradeoff at best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tI1SoMj5vgSTEAM CUC_KS STATUS?
>>741697413based, i fucking hate that pc is equated with steam these days
>>741689385>steam machine>doesn't even produce any steamgabenbros...
you don't need dual channel ramthis is a clever way of keeping costs down
>>741689385it's ddr5 so it's not that big a deal
>>741689486It will sell out in minutes. Might as well sell it.
single channel ddr5 works differently than older ddr. the amount of ram is bad, but it's not that bad that its being single channel
Would there even be real world benefits from faster RAM on a 30W TDP CPU?
>steam machine>doesnt run on steam
>>741697413>>741698049Steam offers the best pc gaming experience, has most games and is user firendly. Seethe more tho.
>>741698209with a machine this weak thats meant to only play games there's no point to DDR5 in the first place
>>741689486They designed the product and sent it to manufacturers before the RAMpocalypse, this is just them trying to sell of their inventory
>>741689641Thanks for calling Steam users PC bros :)Keep being polite.
>>741689385nothing like the selfish greed of a company that would rather make everything on their own instead of partnering with other companies and then blaming everything for the prices and acting like it was unpreventable. billionaires be billionairing.
>>741689551Not this retarded shit.It's to get people into PC gaming and maybe an option for people who want to upgrade.You also have to consider that if it was cheap and sold at a loss like consoles, it would probably get scalped not just like regular scalping but for data centers as well
>>741698434This is a good point. I wonder if in meetings they strategized getting the early supporters to quickly expend their current inventory, and then the plan is to have this thing just sit at Sold Out status for close to a year, while they hope for market conditions to change. Then in 2027 they put out the presser that it’s back in stock AND it’s getting a price decrease. Then this launch is just a distant unpleasant memory.
>>741698564Bro, they had to increase the price for the Steam Deck too.We're genuinely fucked right now.Honestly at this point either chinkhelds or retro consoles will make a comeback as a cheap alternative to play better games than what we currently have too
>>741698732That´s good. Maybe the vote with your wallet can finally begin.
>>741698854Even chinkhelds get more expensive or get downgraded (less RAM)You also have to consider that RAM is actually pretty cheap, it's just the manufacturers scam people (they have been caught several times in price fixing and stuff like that)
>>741698202It works exactly the same. Single channel = 64bit memory bus, dual channel 128bit bus.The only difference is that DDR5 is typically running at 2800MHz whereas DDR4 is at 1600MHz for top tier memory and maybe up to 2000MHz if it's OC.DDR5 if it was overclocked to 3200MHz would have identical bandwidth in single channel configuration to DDR4 running at a typical 1600MHz in dual channel configuration.
>>741689385>how well this mini PC turned outEverything I've seen has demonstrated this to be a crap value, even if it could launch for its intended MSRP.
>>741698281the Series X is a better gaming computer than the steam machine, and I say this as someone who owns neither
>>741699386You’re right in terms of size of the bus, but ddr5 operates with 2 independent 32-bit channels per stick rather than 1 64-bit. That allows it to communicate with each sub channel independently. In gaming that will be sufficient for near full dual-channel performance, particularly in a low tdp environment. If you started asking your Steam Machine to do really difficult cpu intensive work streams or if it had an apu, then you would feel it in the performance.
>>741699759The only time single channel is limited and problematic is if you're bandwidth constrained and 64 bits is 64 bits no matter what. I don't think gaming workloads have ever been meaningfully bandwidth constrained. (Unless you're using RAM as VRAM)
>>741689739It's "dual channel" in the sense that it splits up the 64bit channel of a single slot into 2x 32bit. You still need both sticks to run 64bit x2.
>>741689579I remember that these things sucked but what was wrong with them
>>741689641valve drones
>>74170002832bit x 4* It's one of the reaslns why DDR5 is a lot better than DDR4
>>741690447They wanted to use off the shelf so-dimms to with cheaper mobile components they're using for the mobo.
