>according to jason schreier the average game developer for triple-a studios makes 15-20k A MONTHGame devs are all priviledged richfags who get paid enormously to do the bare minimum and then shit out absolute garbage.I dont feel bad at all for them losing their jobs.
>>741697918>include the ceo in the average>jumps to obvious not real number
>15 to 20K a monthNot even a programming genius like Carmack is worth that, no wonder they outsource so much.
Didn't ask + don't care + don't talk to me ever again
Of course you shouldn't feel bad, unless it's an indie studio. These people live comfortably in luxury, and if they are any good at their job they will certainly find something else.
>>741697918they live in california 100k salaries is just lower than average
>>741698560Still don't get why they need people on site for this shit. It makes no difference if the programmer lives half way across the country.
>>741698641video games are a creative process, you need everyone in the room to make games good because only when you can see the whole thing is when you know when to change things.
>>741698560Why not just base your studio out in the sticks in Ohio or something where it’s cheap to live? Why do they need to live in a hot desert shithole like commiefornia?
>>741698641If you live across the country then you can't get personally rawdogged by HR.
>>741697918>Paying attention to anything this kike says
>>741698702Never heard of group calls?
>>741697918>average game developer for triple-a studios makes 15-20k A MONTH>averageMean, median, or mode?
>>741698717Because no one wants to live in Ohio retard
>>741698641But Anon, if they're on-site then the manager can't steal their breastmilk out of the fridge. How will Blizzard put out the next hit game if the devs can't get their mommy milkies?
>>741698717Cause California is the center of the entertainment industry. Right next Santa Monica they have the mocap studio that Sony uses for CGI in their movies. Since all the CGI artists are already working for Disney or Pixar they all come to california and game companies can get a great pick of talent close to their studios. California is a theme park for rich people. It sucks for poor people.
>>741698351carmack makes more than that
>>741698717California has a lot of talent already there. I know I know, but don't laugh about the "talent" part. I mean the specialists for all kinds of technical things are in the state, and not Ohio. >>741698835Exactly.
I keep wondering: what's the minimum an American needs to get by?Is it possible to live comfortably on ~2k a month if you're smart?
>>741698717because it's easier to go "hey we need 10 programmers and 10 artists, we can hire them off the streets in san francisco" versus "hey we need 10 programmers and 10 artists but they dont want to move all the way to Ohio, we cant do anything"
>>741698757Hes a retard but hes also literally the only source of insider info on the inner working of these big gaming companies.
>>741698717Not a single executive wants to have offices in flyover states. Rich and successful Americans only want to live in the coasts.
>>741698757He's a kike but he's still the best and only true source of video game news compared to other youtuber grifters out there.
>>741698910Yes, but it requires too much knowledge and self-discipline for the kind of people that would only make 24K a year in the US.
>>741698916Why do you need a studio? you can coordinate all that shit through Discord and Project Planning apps. Shit is not hard to send over the internet. We're not in the 90s. If you need an art asset just ask your artist over discord.
>>741698934>>741699000>Imagine giving a shit about AAA gaming companies in The Big '26
>>741698910It's impossible to give a number because everywhere is different but "get by" and "actually be a home-owner and responsible level of society" are a massive gulf.
>>741699094then you're making an indie game and not an AAAA game, which is perfectly fine but dont use indie solutions for big developers.
>>741699000Hes quite lierally a proven and self admitted liar
>>741698985>Not a single executive wants to have offices in flyover states.Warren Buffet/Berkshire Hathaway is literally in Nebraska retard.
>>741697918Total Triple A studio death.
>>741698805So that explains why the quality of their games went downhill.
>>741698757>>741699000>kikeJews are cool in general. Schreier is a mixed bag, he says some stupid things like the Dragon's Crown quote from way back when, but he's also one of the best actual journalists in business. I respect him too for actually straight-up asking Tetsuya Takahashi about Disc 2 of Xenogears. https://kotaku.com/the-real-story-behind-xenogears-unfinished-disc-2-1796151112
>>741698067Here's an idea: don't fucking pay CEOs 100+ times more than you pay your workers. They're not worth it.
>>741697918I never like him because of his annoyances as Prism/Fox1340 on LUElinks/ETI. But it turns out he was just a jew and it was my base instincts not liking rats.
>>741699203>Jews are cool in general.Truth
>>741697918>makes 15-20k A MONTHThey also live in shithole city like san fran where a shoebox, bug infested apartment costs 5000 a month.
>>741699203I think the general consensus is dont listen to him when he's talking about his opinions but he's trustworthy when it's video game factual news.
>>741697918Have fun reading books instead then, no one is going to make your games for free.
>>741699253CEO is an extremely challenging position though
>>741699292Yeah that sounds about right
>>741699183Doiter don't make me take your phone away again
>>741699094Have you ever worked on any project?It's infinitely more efficient to walk over to some other guy ask him then set up some meetings and waiting for responses
>>741699308You're right anon. Can you imagine the stress of having to stripmine an entire company in exactly enough time to boost it for exactly a single quarter, then fuck off with your golden parachute when it collapses?
Why don't you fags just becomes CEOs if its so easy and makes so much money
>>741699307>no one is going to make your games for free.They could just make smaller, cheaper games instead of these bloated shitty movie games that take a decade to make. Save on dev costs. That could be cool.
>>741699292That makes sense. When he does his job he's great. When he opens his mouth he's an idiot.
>>741699253You're asking the guys in charge of the wages to pay themselves less
>>741699429This.I hate it when certain people at work say 'call me or text me' when I can just walk over to them and show them and save a lot of time.
>>741699519CEO is usually not a position one earns by merit, it's usually inherited and most CEOs just rotate companies every few years.
He didn't say make. He said cost. The employees don't get all that money. They have to pay for health insurance here. He said that right afterwards you should have been paying more attention.
>>741699308Just don't do anything illegal and 90-95% of the challenges disappear
They don't make 15-20k a month, they spend on average 15-20k a month on every employee, obviously the cleaning staff is cheaper every month, devs on average are around 5 to 7k and the CEO is probably around 400k.
>>741699429>>741699614I'm the opposite I'm busy on some shit I don't need you bothering me. I'll get to your shit later.
>>741699665Wow sounds like a great excuse to never amount to anything
>>741697918Did he say they make that or that is what they cost? He used to say a game costs $10k per month per employee. So a game that takes 3 years made by a studio with 200 employees cost $72m according to Jason. I guess he went up on the number post covid.
>>741698351The average FAGMAN dev with a 500k wage is earning 15k per month in net earnings after 50% wage taxes.
>>741697918>jew with feminine voice enlargening his schnoze in attempt to make White CEOs pay slackfag trannies even moreI keep noticing the real agenda behind everything this (((((Scheiberg)))) does and he's not even trying to hide it.
>>741698641If you aren't sleeping on a bed of pizza boxes under your desk I don't trust you're invested in the quality of the game.
>>741699769Sorry, did the math after posting and it's not 15k, it's actually 20k a month net wage after 50% taxes.And never forget something, these people literally spend 20k every month and have no savings.
>>741699769What is even the point of that then? Just giving the government money? Why not just move to a low-tax state or country?
>>741697918Looks like MoonMoon
>>741697918>>741698351WATCHTHEVIDEOBEFOREYOUCOMMENTYOUBRAINDEADRETARDEDINDIANBROWNUGLY3RD WORLDESLRETARDNIGGERFAGGOTSHe says it costs $10-20k per employee per month. That INCLUDES pay, but also:>Health insurance>Payroll taxes>Gas/fuel credits>Lunch credits>Electricity, heating, plumbing, water>Office space>EtcYou retarded faggots didn't even watch the video or you did and didn't even bother to understand it. Why are you allowed on this board? Why do you get to use the same internet as me?
I fucking love lolis.
>>741699974Based English speaker
>>741699938there are no studios hiring in those places
where is all that money funneled from to californias millions of residentswhat are all those millions of people doing that produces 100-500k of value each year what the fuck, do the hamburger flippers and janitors do high frequency stock trading while on break
>>741699710>t. never operated a business bigger than a lemonade stand in his life
>>741699974>watching a Jew videoNo thank you.
>>741700080>Watching a jew video is a waste of time!>But having a discussion over its contents that I am hearing about from someone else isn'tWhy are you even here? If you want to ragebait just make something up instead.
>>741697918>influencer/journalist like filth>manipulating facts and numbers to generate a lie, which is used as a lever to keep gentiles infighting as high as possible classicand the useful idiots keep bitting and giving the much needed energy to provide movement for his campaign, I hate all of you
>>741699974Health Insurance and Payroll tax is unironically like half of that $10-20k. Okay, maybe not half but genuinely up to 33% depending upon the state.
>>741699938You can't if they force you to attend 5 the office 5 days a week which is the standard on companies with those wages, plus isn't literally the federal income tax 35% plus like 11% more for California?It's less than 50%, but you can't escape the 35% federal cut.
>>741698717California has the only Mediterranean climate on the continent. So long as there are no arsonists, its perfect weather year round.
>>741697918Everything in this video makes sense. He never said devs were getting paid $250k a year, he said that it cost a business around $10k per employee on average and $20k in LA which seems reasonable. I mean you have to pay taxes on all of your worker's paychecks, anons.
>>741700154kike filth*It's important to distinguish a carpenter bee from a honey bee, and so it is important too to distinguish a human from a Jew.
>>741700197maybe anarchists have a point
>>741698910You could exist on 2k if you live with parents or have roommates in certain parts of the country. But you won't be doing much.
>>741700038It's mostly funneled to the LandlordsCalifornia property taxes are retarded so people that own property there have no incentive to sell
>>741700197Why not just move your studio to Dubai or Andorra or some shit and pay 0% taxes.
>>741699769>>741700197They don't get 500K* cash, half of that amount is generally paid out in stock so they don't pay income tax on that*well some probably do but they make way more than 500K overall
>>741698916They outsource half this shit to thirdie shitholes on the other side of the world anyway, why not hire some people from a flyover instead? Contrary to what some people think there are actually competent people there, seems like a better deal than a hoard of diploma mill jeets who don't know what they're doing.
>>741699974It's time to go backHere, for your convenience, kind gentlesir: https://www.resetera.com/forums/gaming-forum.7/
>>741700616So you want them to hire people who live in Ohio to work remotely for a company based in California? Or are you asking for them to move the company to Ohio.
>>741700040>implying lemon stand CEOs follow the law
>>741700643>Be a retarded, ugly, brown, 3rd world Indian>Clean the shit off your hands long enough to go to 4chan>See a thread>Instantly assume the OP is correct because you never learned critical thinking (You've never even been in a classroom)>Be corrected by a White man>Start calling him Jewish because you have no recourseI get it anon. It is pretty embarrassing to go into a thread and be tricked by an OP, but considering what your wet markets are like you should be used to scammers by now.
>>741700390It's awesome if you already own a home there though. Basically property taxes never increase with inflation (or increase in a low, capped way), so if you're old and retired and have owned your home for 50 years, you'll be paying next to nothing after inflation.
>>741700747>trying to fit in my posting incoherent schizobabble from his epic_comebacks_pol.txtKek look at this tranny sneed
>>741700682Berkshire-Hathaway is one of the biggest businesses in the world and is operated out of some shithole in Nebraska. The idea that you NEED to be in California to make games is BS, the idea only persists because people keep believing it does.
>>741700809You got tricked by OP and instead of getting upset at them you're upset at the white man who tried to enlighten you. You have my pity.
>>741700845>themhttps://www.resetera.com/styles/resetera/resetera/logos/Intersex/logo.png
Wait, did people really come in here thinking that he was saying game devs all make $20k a month?
Anything more that minimum wage is too much for these retards
>>741700496This is why more and more devs are popping out from china, korea, eastern europe due to low costs of living and cheap salaries for more or less the same quality.
why would the richest state in America be communist
>>741700816buffet also thinks the stock market is totally not a casino bro
For me it's ninomae ina'nis
>>741700816Film industry is mostly in California to escape patent enforcement in the early 20th century and because it had good weather for filming, neither of which applies to games. This idea that all entertainment needs to be stuck in one or two cities to me just seems like living in the past.
>>741700784Only those who bought their dream house early and never plan to move out. Anyone else gets screwed by sky high rents and some of the highest income and sales taxes in the US.
>>741701534Silicon valley is in california, that's why.
>>741699740>>741697918This is what he said, multiple times, that it factors in rent, software, hardware costs, energy. trannyop simply wanted to clickbait extra hard.
So how much does it cost in Tokyo?
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
>>741701573>Effective tax rate in California is 35%>Effective tax rate in EU is 44%, but in return you get tax-paid healthcare, schools, social security and working infrastructure (no brown-outs and roads are in better condition)Why would anyone want to live in California? No low tax rate of other states but no benefits of high tax rate either.
>>741701901>Why would anyone want to live in California?Best weather in the country for one. Plus you can find anything you want there.
isn't California filled with homeless drug addicts now?
>>741697918that's the most jewish motherfuckers i've seen in my life
>>741702150>nowBut yes.
He's not talking about just salary there, it's the total cost it takes to have an employee. Health benefits and 401(k) add to the costs.
>>741698351you know people make more than that doing useless shit like washing cars, right
>>741697918Cost of living in cali is so retarded. I talked to family the other day and the whole state has people fleeced into these 20-40 year solar panel leases which are about 100 bucks a month. If you don't opt for this "plan" the electric bill for 2 people can be anywhere from 500-600 bucks a month
>>741702150You could have asked this question any year for the last 35 or so years and the answer would be yes
>>741699978only half decent post itt
>>741701901>Effective tax rate in California is 35%Is that both state and federal tax?
>>741699442that does sound stressful, but where are you seeing new CEO's every quarter?
>>741697918>most popular jewish video game journalist>zero videogames in his houseHow much does this guy hate videogames?
>>741698067>no the number that easily matches up with what people know about big game budgets can't be right>it must be that nobody else is smart enough to figure out outliers Anon, you're a retard. If you figured something out then everybody else has.
I enjoy his contentI'm sorry
>>741699724WTF are you doing on 4chan? You're the guy constantly getting in my way, dodging messages, dodging meetings, never getting your work done, and always messing up my projects.I know you're superbusy, but when I've finished all my work, and I'm facing a deadline, and the project will be completed by you just giving a simple directive to your subordinates, your delays and delays ruin my projects. This very last week, you refused to tell people to distribute ads until Thursday, and because of your delay they didn't get done until after the weekend, when the weekend is exactly the time we needed everyone to see them. Now our partners and the people who were trusting us are angry at me, and see it as my failure, when I did everything needed of me and more, and got it in not only on time but under cost and ahead of schedule, and you wrecked it.Now the primary is today, and we're going to lose, and our communities are going to lose, but that doesn't matter to you because you don't even live in the City and have no stake here. And everyone's angry at me and it's all your fault.Take your meetings on time next time. It's not like I ever call you up or make meetings just to schmooze. I get our meetings and work done quickly out of regards for your time, so show some damn regard for mine.
>>741699253What if he's worth it? >>741699442>>741699710How is it possible for companies to fail, a new CEO to take over and them becoming massively successful? How are you not going to pay someone who turns bankruptcy into a $70 billion sale?
>>741699203>Jews are cool in general.
>>741701901Because thanks to historical inertia that's where all the wealth is located. It doesn't really matter how high the taxes are if there are enough jobs where the net pay is still higher than the gross pay in other states or countries.>>741702150Because >>741702017California's the only state where one could reasonably survive all year round even without a home.
>>741698835Tokyo is where all the good games are made
>>741698351You have no idea how the real world works. Having a genius like Carmack on your staff meant that you were being able to do stuff 100 highly educated retards couldn't.People are not the same. Dumb people aren't just slightly slower smart people. They are an entirely different animal that could spent 1000 years trying to emulate a genius and still fail.
>>741702632>so show some damn regard for mine.No way fag.
>>741698641>>741698751>>741698805Turns out the people who spend all their lives doing it are right, and it does actually make a difference. What are the odds? 0 to some faggot who has no skin in the game and just wants to feel like he's better than everybody else.
>>741697918this guy is omitting so many of the reasons as to why aaa has become so costlyits not surprising when you consider hes pretty close to people who work in the industryhes just protecting them and their needs with half truths instead of actually blowing the lid of it all
>>741698717Because we don't live in communism where you can just force people to move to wherever the proletariat needs them. Instead, companies are competing for highly skilled workers and one way of attracting them is having your studio somewhere where it's nice.
>>741702883what did he omit
>>741700154Is he also the one who is spreading the lie that big games cost up to $400m?
>>741699974>You retarded faggots didn't even watch the videono shit, like i'd listen to that nasally kike lmao
>>741702150Yeah, they spend a shit ton of money on them which all the people in charge of solving homelessness would no longer get if they fixed the issue. It's peak modern government.
I live in Cali and this guy is talking out of his fucking ass. 15-20k a month is nowhere near what even SF based tech companies are paying their employees. Unless he is factoring in benefits like medicare this just isn't true at all.
>>741702883>there are all those important additional reasons >THEY don't want you to know about them >doesn't mention a single one Holy larping retard schizo. Wages are the main factor and it isn't even close.
>>741697918Todd is getting fired for not making Elder Scrolls/Fallout wokeslop, especially since they used Oblivion Remaster to censor outfits and cleavage on statues. People don't understand the horrors he was asked to make. 50% Redguard and females in every town. LGBT questlines and romances. Complete crackdown on modding capability. They had to scrap all the work they had, and now news outlets are reporting "nothing was worked on." He sounds so dejected about how games used to be.
>>741703192He's obviously talking about overall costs per employee, not just salary.
>>741699878>White CEOsYou're the exact same guy who complains about Jewish CEOs of these same companies on the daily. Don't think we don't notice your agenda.
>>741702989unnecessary consultancy that costs an obscene amount of money which no one in the gaming media wants to mentionalso some costs going directly into unnecessary self indulgent shit coming from devsgamedevs back in the day used to be resourceful and smart about how they went about thingsmodern aaa just throws manpower and money at the problem hoping it will fix everything in timeits all wasteful and unthoughtful spendingnot to mention this guy isnt a seasoned gamer at allif anything he dislikes playing a game to get good at it or explore it depthhe just wants to rush through shit and get pats on his back for ithes no better than dean takahashithe only reason he has some clout is because he has some contacts in the industrysome which are part of this wasteful spending>>741703248schizo deez nuts
>>741703179Then don't even bother commenting, just ignore the thread.
>>741703192>Unless he is factoring in benefits like medicare this just isn't true at all.He is. Which makes sense, you're looking at it from the point of view of what it actually costs to make a video game, not just what one might get paid working on one.
>>741703192Hey, retard, he literally said that he was including things like healthcare and payroll tax.
YT comment shit flinging dragged me down the rabbit hole.>Double Fine>100 employees in San Francisco>Average Yearly Salary for Entry Level: 60,000>Average Yearly Salary for Senior Level: 210,000>90 employees at 60,000: 5,400,000>10 employees at 120,000: 1,200,000>5 years since Psychonauts 2>6,600,000 x 5 = 33,000,000>Release 2 games in that timeframe that barely peak around 200 players on SteamRetards are still trying to justify Double Fine's existence.
>>741701573>never plan to move outThose are the people who should be catered to, not the gentrifiers who come in, elect the worst possible politicians, then fuck off to another place when they people they chose wreck this one.
>>741699308wagies will never understand that
>>741703438where's the fun in that
>>741703421>unnecessary consultancy that costs an obscene amount of money which no one in the gaming media wants to mentionwell actually that's because it doesn't cost that much money. only this retarded website thinks that half of a 300 million budget game goes to a group of 3 guys who come in for a day to look at concept art to see if it's racist or not.
>>741703534$33 million is pennies in a bucket for Microsoft. And a tenth of what a Concordlike costs to make.
>>741697918Did he read all those books?
>>741698641I'm a remote software engineer, I live in rural Tennessee and still get paid a CA salary. Some companies don't pay you according to where you actually live, and it's a bit mind-boggling as someone who benefits from it. Even with 2 kids I feel like I have nearly infinite disposable income.
>according to (serial liar)lol
>>741703737Those two games were way less than a drop in the bucket for Microsoft and if you are an employee who can save them 33 million Microsoft will be very happy with you.
>>741703737Microsoft has shown that even pennies are worth cancelling projects and closing studios, also not worth to use those pennies to actually make Xbox successful.
>>741699519I wasn't born a member of the chosen tribe.
>>741697918>average game developer for triple-a studios makes 15-20k A MONTHahahahah what a retard. They earn like 2k in europe MAYBE 10k in the US. Indians do it for like 500 dollars.
>>741699974>office space being measured per-employee>when they dont get their own dedicated office and the cost of the lease on the building doesn't change if you have 2 or 200 employees using itOffices are an unnecessary expense, youd save so much money by not having that massive fixed expense.
>>741698934>hes also literally the only source of insider info on the inner working of these big gaming companies.lol novarious youtubers have been popping who established insider contacts with aaa studios of their ownschreier doesnt have some exclusivity to that info
>>741704041You can be Indian now too>jews hire jews>indians hire indians>whites hire anything but whites for diversityAll according to plan
>>741698717The sticks don't have workers worth hiring. I'll use an example from my own company.>Cali based>we have a costly packing facility>get new retarded upper management>"hey lets just build a packing facility in Minnesota and save on labor costs">company does so>labor is cheaper>except the labor is also retarded>constant issues with the site and its workers>constant bottlenecks because we get sent shit that doesn't pass quality control>this is in spite of the on site testing giving it the green light>site becomes a black hole of unaccountable retards and the company regrets it forever
>>741699308That is true. Being a puppet for the shareholders and holding no personal convictions would get really tiring for me.
>>741704326This is a problem of having shitty leadership.Bad middle managers fail to train the line workers and you blame the line workers for not being good at labor.When theres no accountability to be a good leader, why the fuck would they expect anything other than barely-passable results?
>>741704326You should hire south americans remotely, be sure to select from the best schools though, there's a lot of shit too.
>>741703737Watch pennies burn or put those pennies into other projects that have a higher likelihood of making pennies. Gee, I wonder what any rational person would do.
>>741697918>watched this fucker once for like 5 minutes>now he is in all of my recommendationsFuck you, /v/.
>>741704926he had many abnormally popular videos in a short time period so it makes sense
>>741704926don't recommend channel, it also fucks with their algorithm
>>741697918>Get woke go broke--er, top of the chartsBest quote of him of ALL time. Deadass.
>>741705265Woke people are weird, they keep changing what they think in order to appear like they won, which would accomplish nothing, I think they were better off bitching about everything being, racist, sexist, homophobic etc. because that would drive change, now they just say every game was always woke so they won, instead of cultural change they get internet discussion wins (if people actually buy what they say).
>>741698757He's a kike that plays all sides. He doesn't mind stabbing the big companies in the back for some shekels.
>>741698934anon doesn't know about jew nepotism, of course they're gonna feed him info. No it isn't worth following Schreier or anything he says.
>>741703737Yeah but those pennies could be going to the CEO. Get on with the times.
I can live comfortably with about 800€ per month.
>>741699974So Schreier is being a disingenuous faggot like usual? Got it. Nobody bakes operational overhead into individual pay like that.
>>741697918That's some real goddamn monkey math you got there
>>741701268To be fair, even the most expensive European county can cut a 400 million game cost to like 50 million, just by european devs earning 55k at the upper end.
>>741702632I have a dozen people asking for similar things and they are more important than you, it's that simple. If I had to work every second like an amazon slave I wouldn't work at all.
>>741708305He kinda needs to because he's trying to justify the ridiculous western budgets.
why are jason schreier threads not banned
>>741708305No, the OP is the disingenuous faggot.
>>741702802>>741709249>If I had to work every second like an amazon slave I wouldn't work at all.The you shouldn't be the head manager/COO, the guy with the busiest job in the office and the one person who everything has to go through and get bottlenecked by.
Hey he dropped a new kino, someone make a thread
>>741697918Where do you think the $100,000,000+ budgets are going to?
>>741697918did he sound like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fcSviC7cRM
>>741708305No he isn't lol. You're an idiot.The way he phrased it was totally fine:>"How do we know the budgets of these games?">"Well, I've spoken to people in the industry. Between pay and benefits, it costs roughly $10,000 per employee, but up to $15,000 or $20,000 in the most expensive parts of the country">"So AAA studios like Sony Santa Monica that have 400+ employees we can calculate a general budget just based on employee pay, this is what it costs to just run the company while they're working">"This also does NOT include marketing">Runs a few simple calculations on some different studios of different size in different parts of the country>Numbers totally make sense for LA based studiosTotally completely intelligible. Nothing shady. Nothing weird. He isn't lying. You fell for bait because the guy is a kike but nothing he said he was wrong.
>>741699253Huey Long had that idea, along with not wanting the US to get into pointless wars. He was assassinated by a member of a certain group.
>>741699253The issue is that someone needs to lead the company, and leading a company is hard and requires a lot of knowledge only learned through experience leading companies.Worse, a company needs a lot of investment in order to operate efficiently. This means attracting investors. The best way to do this is to have connections already established. Nobody wants to bet on the dark horse, so instead you bet on the guy who took you out to dinner and a ball game.There are only so many people out there with those connections and experience, and their salaries are shaped by supply and demand. Demand is high, because every company wants the best CEO they can afford, supply is low because there aren't many people out there that can afford to ingratiate all of the world's richest and most influential financiers. No company has the choice to just pay their CEO less, because someone else will just poach them and then you don't have the connections guy that investors trust and you can't raise money to fund new projects.
>>741699203>Jews are cool in generalt. person who hasn't yet been backstabbed by oneJason did the same to Swen btw. They always do.
>>741697918>according to jason schreier the average game developer for triple-a studios makes 15-20k A MONTHTotal nonsense. Salary could only be this high for studio directors or project leaders.
>>741699978What do you think he would say about oppai loli?
Jason is doing a lot of damage right now. I'm almost positive my sources are better than his. He shouldn't have written that lol.
>>741697918The guy is a fag but his videos are mostly fine and reasonable. You don't have to lie and ragebait retards with them.
>>741705010>he botted a few vids
>>741697918i want less people working on bigger games for more time and less money and no i'm not kidding
>>741699710It’s literally the oppositeThink of it like a race, and literally all that matters is who crosses the finish line in a single lapWho’s more likely to succeed? The guy who plays fair, or the guy who breaks the rules and finds a way to get away with it?Take that scenario and scale it up a million times and you’ve got the world of business and the reason so many CEOs are criminals
>>741697918>15-20k A MONTHExpenses, yes. Salary, no!He must have been referring to the former, but your English is so terrible, that you didn't understand him, brown-kun.
>>741717351>Jason is doing a lot of damage right now.really?do tellelaborate on what you mean by thatbut yes the western aaa gamedev especially america is flailing around right nowits all self inflicted damaged through their own hubris
>>741698717Because people want to fucking live there, genius. You can't put a game studio in Nebraska or something because you're not convince people to move to some fuck ass flyover state, all you're going to do is waste money.
>>741697918>15 minutes of basic napkin mathgreat insight
>>741697918>Mono-color soulless normalfag lair covered in self help booksCan these invasive species normalfags at least pretend to play video games after flunking out of the journalism and tv/film industries? The ones that go into sports commentating at least hang token jerseys on their walls. These creatures dont even try; they don't even entertain the notion that they play video games at all lest they be shamed by their fellow yuppie no-gamers.
>>741698910Nigga you can literally get by by begging on the streets and living in a box. Get by is a nothing question.
I make about 4k a month and my monthly bills are about 1.2k a month. It sounds good but then when you take in to account that I have no social life and any attempt at doing anything social or a hobby other than video games and working out costs a fucking arm and a leg that shit is chump change. Even 1 day off is a giant ass fucking blow to my pay check.
>>741699974The term here is 'burden' - you might pay an employee $100k yearly salary, but then also have to add on $50k of other expenses that come along with them.>>741704086This is a weird time we're in - for group creative endeavors, I've found that actually being in person is important. Outsourcing isn't necessarily soulless because of where the work gets done, but often because the work is being done so far apart from the creative direction and there's greatly reduced moment to moment communication/feedback - language barrier and lack of investment by the remote team also being big contributors. But then there's operational reality that while having a remote capable infrastructure is expensive and requires a lot of logistics, it's absolutely cheaper than having a big ass office, especially since said big ass offices generally tend to be started in giant cost of living nightmares so they can get local talent.
>>741698641It’s not about quality. It’s about commercial real estate. The wealthy people own everything so they’re constantly directing the economy in dumb and useless ways to make their assets worth more. Remote work was eroding the value of commercial buildings and offices which are large investments that the wealthy want to protect.
>>741697918>the average game developer for triple-a studios makes 15-20k A MONTHFalse.
>>741698717Plenty of companies do this and they’re successful. My own employer does this. It’s about bringing value to commercial real estate and having total complete control over the employees lives.
>>741698351Carmack is definitely worth that and maybe more. Nigga can solo.
>>741718247ditto, I just quit my job though so now I'm back to 2k a month. Doesn't make much a difference though. >Oh no, I can't buy three meals a dayIt's not like I was eating luxury foods before, whatever.
>>741703802Same. I live in the south and work for a west coast company remotely now. I make about double what I would for a local company doing the same work. And I also know I make less than my coworkers who live in the expensive places.
>>741699279>$15k per month left over oh no
>>741699974Weird how all those costs go away if you just let people do remote workBut they just won't
>>741718780In one of the most expensive states to live in north america, yeah. you should be worried.
>>741699253highly antisemitic post
>>741697918anon... you didn't believe the game devs telling you game devs are poor right?You really believed the scornful retard that got fired instead of the thousands of tiktoks and videos showing they do fuck all and live in comfortable houses? anon...
>>741697918>Game devs are all priviledged richfags who get paid enormously to do the bare minimum and then shit out absolute garbage.when i was applying for game dev jobs it was always around 30-70k
>>741719630yeah you should blindly believe whatever ragebait threads you read on /v/
>>741704326>MinnesotaSomalians have an average of 67 IQ.
>>741716693This is completely missing the point. Some of these CEOs are getting pay packages worth 100s of millions of dollars while the average salary at the company might be 70K. No one is saying a CEO isn't a hard job or they they shouldn't get paid more, but the amount they are getting paid is ludicrous. CEO pay is one of the biggest economic inefficiencies in the US today
>>741719146It removes a lot of overhead, yes, but not health insurance and taxes. And a lot of triple-A studios do use a lot of foreign contractors for art. Sometimes programming at their peril.
>>741719752I am sorry, different anon... you are right.... I will believe the poor coincidentally recently fired dev
>>741716693When the CEO doesn’t show up to work, all the work still gets done.When the workers don’t show up to work, the company shuts down the next day.
>Nodevs still crying about Schreier thirteen years later with nothing to show for it.
why do i keep seeing this fucking kike posted every day
>>741698934He is a liar and a literal grifter. His entire MO is just doing damage control for companies and now the industry as a whole. He is the epitome of dishonest rat journo.
>>741699308AI could replace them. It'd be an improvement, actually.
>>741721272Commies are fucking retarded
>>741697918buy an ad
>>741721727>no argumentThe corporate pyramid has nothing to do with capitalism anon you’ve been tricked
>>741699183Coming, anything else?>>741697918That's true, devs earn usually around 100 million usd per hour, maybe more. AAAA games are extremely fast to produce, only takes like 12 years and 3000 people I mean millionaires to produce games that have like 5000 players for one month. What an industry!
>>741697918Is he a cuck face meme, yet?
>>741699308The only challenge is bullshitting your way through investor calls long enough that you can fuck off with a giant payout. CEOs are retards and could be replaced by a magic eight ball in at least fifty percent of cases.
>>741697918Then let them use AI.
>>741697918I watched a few of his videos. he's surprisingly honest about the current state of westoid vidya and how things work behind the scenes. not sure where the subversion lies, but I'd bet my dick it's there somewhere.
>>741699253
>>741723121>not sure where the subversion lieson 4chan dot org and twitter dot com
>>741723145Billionaires want to kill people according to their emails
>>741721628>imageHoly shit that's fucking pathetic.
>>741723145I do wish we could acknowledge that poor people doing the bidding of CEOs are worse than the CEOs themselves At least Gabe gets a yacht, what does valves social media guy get?
>>741723145But the one on the left hires the one on the right, so your post doesn't make any sense
>>741699308the only challenge a CEO has is being belivable, aka speaking so confidently that people actually think you know what you're talking about.Same can be said about most bosses, desuCEO:s are a symptom of a diseased system where we value money making decisions, promises & glorified pencil pushers more than we value the actual innovators, creators, entrepreneuers and inventors
>>741701504More like ninomae inanus
>>74170020230+ celcius is only perfect for brown peopleit's impossible to work a mentally demanding task in the heat
>>741697918>poorly drawing this guy is enough to get you tried for antisemitism
>>741723145Guy on the right only gets his way because guy on the left says so
I remember that I used to regularly say that anyone who works in the gaming industry as a "creative" and complains about pay is a privileged faggot who could go work a real job at any time and /v/ would get mad at that every time without fail, funny how the discourse has changed in the last 10 years or so
>>741724690Land of the free.
>>7417233864chan operates in constant ironic shitpost mode, nobody is taking anything written here seriously. twitter is mostly AI bots and jeets, it's largely unusable unless you're a part of some self-moderated micro-community.
>>741724992A lot of anons used to think that a silent majority of game devs were on their side, time has shown they're not.
>>741702150they have had high white emigration for a while now
>>741702280a month, not annually
