Faerun is extremely huge. Why do all video games set here take place in a tiny corner of the map?
>>741701704Because it's what WoTC/Hasbro wants to push as the main product. That's about it.
>>741701704Nwn xpac 1 is on anaurochnwn 2 xpac 1 is on rashemen and thaynwn 2 xpac 3 is on chult (based as fuck)pool of radiance gamesicewind dalethose are what comes to mind. did any game take place in faerun turkey/middle east (whatever south of the sea of stars and east of the lake of steam is)? I have no idea what's going on down there
>>741701704They don't, you're conflating the popular games taking place on the sword coast with all the games taking place there
>>741701704It's all generic kitchen sink slop. Basically a theme park
>>741701704tabletop settings always are nonsensical huge kitchen sinks where you can go from late antiquity technology to crashed space ships and laser rifles depending on where you land on the map
Because nobody ever has the balls or ambition to make a world-scale D&D game (in any setting, tbqf). So they have to just focus on a few regions.
>>741703835depends on the setting
>>741703835and that's based
>>741701704What lies in the "mysterious east"? Is this one half of the world?
dnd settings are just bad
>>741701704Why did thieflings go through shadowlands in Balls Hurt Gay 3 instead of using the proper road?
>>741705262who the fuck maintains roads in some horroscape wilderness? road fairies?
>>741703835always has been
>>741701704Why is the Baldur's Gate area supposed to be a barbarian backwater if it's located between rich cities and in a temperate area near "The Greenfields"?
>>741705262Because goblin army, thats why.
>>741701704the sword coast is literally the california of faerun, that's why.
>>741705021On what?
>>741705947Because it being a trade hub by the water attracts all kinds of undesirables.
>>741705130Here are maps of Kara-Tur, Faerûn, Maztica and Zakhara, as 1371-72 Dareckoning (at the end of D&D 2nd Edition and the start of 3rd Edition).https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/07/04/a-map-of-kara-tur/
>>741706684Wordpress URLs have not worked for me for months and I have no idea why.
>>741701704They're called the forgotten realms for a reason.
Wish we got a game set in Krynn.
>no planescape>no dark sun>no elemental planesnormal dnd is so boring
>>741701704To be honest it turned into themepark of "how do we fit IRL culture into our fantasy world"
>>741707848wasn't that Mystara?
>>741701704Same reason D&D has many settings/worlds, and they keep putting all video games in Forgotten Realms/Faerun.
>>741707308Ok, so which realms do adventures take place in?
>>741707680>planescapeIs it not an afterlife realm?
>>741708446nta but Planescape is a sort of nexus where all planes connect in some way.generally no deity can enter and its watched over by some strange woman entity that has very strict rules that cannot be broken or your existence is pretty much erasedthe only deity who sort of temporarily tricked his way into Sigil is Vecna, and it was almost deadly for him and pretty brief
>>741705262>can't spell tieflings properly>ignores the massive army making camp on the road>the same massive army whose gnoll branch recently raped their asses for *GASP* sticking to the roadcome on anon
>>741703835I want iron age or bronze age settings. This late medieval/early modern or kitchen sink slop is boring.
>>741701704Normies crave the familiar, the most generic fantasy is the most successful because seeing anything they haven't before makes them scared and confused.
>>741701704not just games, 95% of the entire franchise can be reduced to this
>>741710354>kitchen sink slopWhat does this mean?
>>741712637When you just throw all shit into one. So you have early medieval to high vikings next to late medieval/early modern plate knights and gunpowder and so on.
I own a physical copy of ever single Forgotten Realms novel ever written and I agree with the bulk of this thread. Very pigeonholed.
>>741712873Variety is kino fuck you, i made my campaign specifically so I could use everything and anything I want. Why don't YOU make a gay ass mesopotamia setting then you fruit.
>>741715426>VarietyIt's not variety if most settings are the same kitchen sink shit. It's same with modern logic of "diversity" where everything is brown and mix and of same culture. We need more varied and distinct settings.
>>741701704You want the ACTUAL answer?BioWare chose the Sword Coast region for their "The Iron Throne" game (original title for Baldur's Gate) SPECIFICALLY because, in the canon at the time, literally nothing was happening there, and the official information about that part of Faerun were sparse, so they had a lot of creative freedom.>>741702334Wrong.
>>741708857>or your existence is pretty much erasedYou'll WISH it was erased.
selling steam acc $5k obo
>>741710354The Hyborian Age.
>>741715761What was the shilled part of the continent back then? Waterdeep?
>>741701704What a gay map
>>741703835That applies way more to Pathfinder than the Realms. The Realms doesn't have ancient Egyptians and Revolutionary America in the same world.
That first vidya were the Moonsea area and Phlan... Myth Drannor...
>>741701704idkplaces like cormyr, the sea of fallen stars and calimshan are objectively cooler and more interestinggive me a video game set in halruaa though... seems like a cool place and being walled by mountains is an easy natural boundry for a more open game world
>>741716453Hyboria was LITERALLY a kitchen sink, with 15th century knights, vikings, bronze age, and 17th century fucking pirates all squished into one land mass.
One guy was making a total conversion set in Corymr but abandoned it about 5 months ago
>>741716720the time BG came out, there were books set from candlekeep all the way to around six inches east of the right hand edge of the map
>>741717590If it's true to Howard's stories the top tier tech in Hyboria is a candle. 15th century knights would imply arquebuses and bombards.17th century pirates is war galleons carrying 20 guns, flintlocks and blunderbusses.You're either retarded or pretending to be.
>>741717943its like dnd, you can have other 17th century shit but not guns because GOD said so
>>741717943No you are full of shit. Aquilonia was specifically meant to be feudal era France with plate armor and cavalry charges. Western Hyboria are on a technological and cultural level of Europe and the Middle East from about 1400, Howard simply omitted gunpowder weapons. Your dumb ass took one look at Frazetta and just assumed the whole world was intentionally written as cave men.
>>741716720Icewind DaleThe UnderdarkThe DalesCormyrThay
>>741718103No, it's literally because Harpers will "disappear" anyone who gets too many good ideas about technology. The setting is very much intentionally being kept in stasis on that front.
>>741701704Here's my homebrew WIP map. It abandons the Merry-old-England theme of Faerun for a more south asian swampy/jungly/humid theme.
>>741708857>your existence is pretty much erasedNah, she mazes you aka throws you in a pocket dimension and forces you to play WoW for all eternity
>>741717943i've read a conan story from Howard where he lifts the battle of agincourt when describing an acquilonian civil war where King Conan defends his throne complete with knights and longbows. that's early 1400s, it's a kitchen sink. Granted that story's obviously not his best work.
>>741718743sounds like a retcon to me, gond was the one doing it, probably forced by ao
>>741719090like a quarter of forgotten realms by landmass is swampjungle SEA thoughever
Retards love to parrot Faerun is kitchen sink when it's been consistently medieval and early Renaissance, meanwhile Golarion has fucking clockwork, steampunk, literal sci-fi technology from a spaceship, guns etc and it looks gay too
>>741719514Also, those books were written a century ago, with all the limitation and blind spots of historiography for Howard to take inspiration from.
>>741710354>bronze age settingGlorantha from Runequest (what King of Dragon Pass is based on)
What the fuck is the Empire of Shadow?
>>741701704faerun contains multiple settings that are more or less distinct from each other where the classes and rules for magic don't even match up in the original published material. An adventure in Al Qaedim or Kara Tur might as well be starting over in a new setting completely. So on the one hand it's trivia that adventures in these other settings are even forgotten realms at all instead of just something on their own, and on the other hand corporate suits who want recognizable IP for merch and media adaptations won't sign off on essentially starting over from scratch on the themes and art direction. it's too close to making something original instead of milking something for years until it's a ruined slop mill that everyone's sick of, that's not good business you see.
>>741719864Yeah, but they could make more games outside of Dragon Pass.
>>741720165There's plenty in tabletop
the steppe mongols to the far east are kino. And this was a good book I recommend if you not only want to see beyond Faerun but see a very nuanced depiction of Good and Evil alignments becoming blood brothers ride or die niggas
>>741701704The joke is that the "default" setting for Faerun used to be Phlan/Cormyr. Until Bioware released Baldur's Gate 1 and set it on the Sword Coast. And TSR allowed them to use Sword Coast because back then it was some bumfuck nowhere location where nothing was happening.It's the same as in Menzonerranzan. It only got popular because of Drizzt.
>>741712636Pools of Darkness had more of the surrounding Moonsea.
>>741720165there's six ages: ride like the wind, same setting. but that's just more dragon pass to be fair. i never got far because playing it just made me miss the culture of the orlanthi tulas and want to try to be High King in the old game
real niggas lived in Mystara
>>741720292How does it compare to the Drizzt novels?
>>741720665Way better than Drizzzt slop, nobody is an invincible badass warrior dual wielding katanas, it's about a fantasy Genghis and his chronicler who against all odds becomes his sworn blood brother despite the alignment difference. Most FR books were better than any of the Drizzt books before he became the sole focus of the whole publishing arm.
>>741719545No, Gond very much WANTS technological progress. The Harpers are the ones making sure it doesn't happen.Which is why the wider Planescape setting doesn't have that problem. Sigil itself has fucking steampunk laser guns, just to name an example.
When you realize all of DnD is just a Californian Renaissance Faire mixed with Marvel you begin to dislike the entire thing.
I liked Starlight and Shadows
>>741701704No one gives a fuck about DnD official setting lore and geography No one.
>>741720964>I don't have friendsDnD is a tabletop game system, a set of rules to provide structure for whatever it is you want to do.Don't confuse "official" settings and lore and shit for use with DnD with what the actual game is
>>741701704BG1 was set on the Sword Coast because it was one of the few areas without any preexisting lore that would require they pay residuals and licensing fees to writers on top of WOTC's ownership of the Forgotten Realms as a whole.
>>741701704give me dark sun game
>>741721376you want modern WotC to touch Dark Sun ever again?
>>741719662oh
>>741712636someone should make a circle map of every dnd game like this one
>>741707680Imagine living in a place called ribcage
where we droppin boys
>>741721376Best I can do for you.
>>741722403I can probably do half of FR like that or all of dragonlance
>>741722403With ESO most of the map is done.
>>741722468whats with all the tranny fanfic locations?
>>741701704>Why do all video games set here take place in a tiny corner of the map?they don't
He would absolutely wreck that disgusting old gay pervert Elminster
>>741715761I've never played the actual DnD, what exactly does this mean? How do you have a Canon for a world that is largely meant for the people who play with it to make up?
>>741722815unfortunately his brain would melt from just looking at elminster.
>>741701704This setting was better before WoTC made it the main setting. Also all the best maps are from 2nd edition, Inkarnate slop is only marginally better than Ai slop.
>>741722468Neverwinter
>>741701704Forgotten Realms sucks cock. Greyhawk is superior.
>>741722898There are a number of official settings that stuff like D&D video games and premade adventure paths are set in.
>>741722898Because many of these dumbass tabletop makers forget their worlds are a SETTING and not a story and they keep trying to 'advance' it, thus the question of canon comes up. Of course you have some retarded players who fall into the same trap like the faggots who bitched about 40K not advancing for years and now look at the state of things. Not a single RPG setting has gotten better in recent editions, from FR to WoD to 40K.
>>741722898some people aren't creative or time-rich enough to create their own campaigns from scratch, so over the years there has been a variety of pre-made worlds you can throw your players into.
>>741722996it was the main setting, until WOTC took over. Eberron was what they tried pushing.
>>741723005>>741723023>>741723025Thanks, I guess that makes sense
>>741722468The Lighthouse
>>741722468Easthaven
>>741722898Think of it as fanfic in an established setting. Most people will use the canon guilds and gods for their games and they obviously build upon the massive history of Toril.
>>741723324https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Na9hyj_hM
>>741723101Eberron is at least less generic than most of WOTC settings. Like some sort of Interwar period but with magitech elements and not as advanced. Too bad it has barely any vidya. One old RTS game, and old but still kicking mmo (but even mmo keeps releasing stuff for other settings instead of more locations in Eberron).
>>741722898>CanonCanonicity importance is directly tied to communal expectations. Player A comes to Player B's table to play in a Forgotten Realms campaign because he read all the Driz'zt books but Player B only ever played Baldur's Gate 3 means Player A is likely going to get a very generic experience at the table unlike his expectations at all. Meanwhile Player C is entirely unfamiliar with the Forgotten Realms setting but has watched every episode of Critical Role, player C is expects every NPC interaction to by hyper-quirky and full of comedy. Finally Player D obsessively read all of Ed Greenwood's posts about the real Realms and expects a sadomasochistically charged fantasy world where incest is normalized.Having a set, solid canon helps everyone at the table come with the same, or at least close enough, expectations.
>>741705130bump
>>741701704Mere of Dead Men. Home.
>>741705130China, Kara-tur (Japan) and steppe mongols
>>741703763Do you like Dragon's Dogma? Kingdom Come? Something else, looking for recs
>>741703584Phlan. Home.
>>741722898>How do you have a Canon for a world that is largely meant for the people who play with it to make up?Because the player characters just start off as some random asshole in a bigger world. So sometimes its easier to just plonk them down in a setting with established settings/locations/factions and let the characters react to the world that is full of people who are far more powerful and entrenched in positions way bigger than a group of 3-5 adventurers. And most of the time your GM is going to set the adventure in some smaller town or village adjacent to the known locations with OC characters and local factions scaled for your adventure. Its not like a video game where leveling up is just arbitrary power progression. In DnD a level 20 character isn't worried about goblins in a dungeon because they're now on the level of fighting metaphysical personifications of universal forces. There are plenty of pre-baked settings with various levels of established shit. On top of that, there are pre-made campaigns that have outlines and objectives for a DM to use instead of making up their own from scratch.
>>741723101Incorrect, Greyhawk was the main setting prior to Eberron.
>>741723539Oh also I like the worlds in the witcher games, they're geologically sort of realistic in a fantasy variant
>>741722468DOWN DOWN DOWN BY THE RIVER
>>741722468As I mentioned before - De'Arnise Hold.Nalia has a surprisingly cute romance.
>>741722468drop me at Crossroads Kino
>>741723703Since when does Nahlia have a romance?
>>741723837Since 2004, give or take.https://www.pocketplane.net/dearnise-romance/
Best DnD setting? Why of course Betancuria
RA Salvatore is a faggot we do agree.
>>741722928Raistlin beat the shit out of Takhisis / Tiamat and made her is bitch, he could crush some old faggot
>>741724002Yes. Elaine Cunningham is way better writer than he is.
>>741720664average 12 strength fighter
>>741722815THE QUINTESSENTIALPOWER-HUNGRYVOLUNTARILY-CELIBATEARCH-MAGUSRAISTLIN MAJERE>>7417240321v1 at that
>>741724104This is true and she never got her dues because Drizzt dogshit overtook the whole setting
>>741723615Funny you should say that, because the Witcher actually barely had any worldbuilding, because Sapkowski couldn't be bothered. He was literally making up locations and world rules on the fly.
>>741723882Its always a good time to play the classics again, thank you.
>>741721376But you already got two on MS-DOS!
>>741724281If you are planning to use that mod, remember to install Nalia At Last as well. It's a ToB portion of her romance that the original mod lacks, because the original author never got around to writing it.https://www.skitias-stories.com/mods-view.php?name=Nalia%20At%20Last
I member reading the FR 3e Setting book many years ago and thinking Icewind Dale, Sword Coast and other "famous" locations where kinda lame compared with the rest of the setting.
>>741723947Dark Sun never got the appreciation it deserves.
>>741724417Do you have any writing samples from that mod? There was this Yrliet romance thing for Rogue Trader and it was basically just poorly written ESL smut. This isn't like that, is it?
Is Doom of Icewind Dale any good?I feel like giving NWN another chance.
>>741724720That is true.
>>741724804No, but you can just open the dialogue files in a notebook and read through the mod yourself to see if it's up your alley.IMO it's one of the better written romance mods and it actually gels with the vanilla game so well, you might fool people into thinking it's the original Bioware content.
>>741723413>but has watched every episode of Critical RoleWhich don't take place in the Forgotten Realms.
>>741725347>whoosh
>>741722468Kuldahar. Home.How I wish the IWD games were a bit bigger and less linear. They're so incredibly atmospheric.
>>741701704Because the setting of the base campaigns of 5e are in the forgotten realms of the sword coast Nothing is stopping you from making your homebrew campaign based elsewhere though you will have to come up with everything by reading old lore and making shit up tho
>>741701704Also you are only seeing 1/3rd of the world and you have to consider the mirror world Aeber. You only have a fraction of toril there
>>741725735>Baldur's Gate is the equivalent in size and location to the real word's LA
>>741725859Basically just a city in the entire worldWhat's funny to me about dnd and all that is that shit's happening all around the world, shit that can end the world can and will happen all around the fucking world at fucking all times, mostly because of wizards doing shit or gods fucking around.That world is absolutely fucked and would be a nightmare to live in.>Ah yes, adventurers. You have to stop the evil wizard from summoning an eldritch bitch from another plane that will suck off the life of the entire world.>oh what's that? A necromancer is raising an army of a million death horde on that other kingdom across that sea? Forget about that adventurers. That's some other group of adventurers problem
>>741722468This thing skipped neverwinter and waterdeep
>>741701704>D&DOld and busted.When do we get a proper videogame for the new hotness?
>>741726103thing is i could have a big demon mommy
>>741718743>>741719545>QUESTION: I have been told by many that the Harpers are against technological advancement due to the effect it would have in tipping the scales of power. Is this true? I can’t seem to find that stance in writing anywhere. >ED GREENWOOD: The Harpers are against MONOPOLISTIC tech advances where only one ruler or group has the benefit, and uses it to conquer/oppress.>The Harpers want peacetime by trying to keep folks as equal as possible (so, no successful empire builders as it causes misery for all).#Realmslore — Ed Greenwood @TheEdVerse) July 24, 2021
Who is the best Forgotten Realms deity and why is it Eilistraee?
>>741726103For the most part an average citizen of the world is mostly fine day-to-day. Adventurers are people who have taken up a job of seeking out those various world ending horrors (or at least people who keep getting caught up in the events for reasons).
>>741726859The only kind of god I could get behind, she almost feels out of place for being the only non-retarded god.
>>741723703I love this cutie airhead
>>741723709I fucked my degenerate painfully mid groomer elf druid wife thereI forced a giant spider into slave labor thereI'm pretty sure you can't walk in the fields, only the shitty road to the world map is accessible.My pet (well fed, has water and is well vaccinated) dwarf fighter is eagerly waiting for my return after I got kidnapped by a bald wizard who I really want to fuck.
>>741724032Elminster has contingencies upon contingencies, how do you kill him?
>>741705130Asians.
>>741725735>Balduran really went to El Dorado and fucked Toril Chel and decided to go back to get plown by dragon dick>Abeirnot anymore. Ao got fucking pissed Mystra got shanked AGAIN in 4e and Xenoblade 3'd it back to a single planet. The dragonborn country is there RIGHT ON TOP OF SOME RANDOM COUNTRY with all sorts of sociopolitical and economical troubles that entails. the rest of Abeir is somehow missing (this is a plot hook)
>>741724032Raistlin was my first character I latched onto When I got into D&D and I love the character, but in no world would Raistlin beat Elminster. Everything is much lower powered on Krynn than Toril by design, and Elminster literally has powers mortals don't typically have due to being a Chosen of Mystra in addition to being something crazy like lv 30 or whatever.
>>741727479>non-retarded>is actually very competent>is one of the strongest gods>literally fucking naked for some reason and her mom and dad are ok with it, it's not like they can contest her because she might be as strong or stronger than dad and mom is still seething in hellwhy is she still purple though? I thought Corellon turned drows into purpleggers as a punishment and I'm sure she can turn back into white elf or whatever rainbow colored fuck she is supposed to be other than grapefruit colored.
>>741727638Wasn't Raistlin once a god and gave it up? He can just beat off Mystra (or was she dead? I can't remember) then change the rules of magic so his contingencies don't work anymore.
>>741727638>Elminster has contingencies upon contingencies, how do you kill him?I bribe the DM.
>>741728240No, Majere and Raistlin Majere are not related.Majere was a god.Unless something happend in the past couple of years, I haven't read any of the new books.Like how you can have a Mexican dude named Jesus who is not himself the son of God.
>>741728103That's a part of her shtick. She essentially exiled herself from the Seldarine Court to be closer to the common drow. Because the unspoken truth is that she's the actual true drow mommy, not Lolth. Lolth is just a usurper, hence why she hates Eilistraee so much. Because Eilistraee has the power to turn half of Menzoberranzan against Lolth in a heartbeat.
>>741727479She's not only non-retarded, she's also genuinely nice. In a setting where even the supposedly "good" gods are assholes, she comes off as an outlier, because she's just a nice girl that wants to make people happy.
>>741726859>Who is the best Forgotten Realms deity and why is it Eilistraee?Because coomers just love naked sluts?
>>741729487You need to brush up on your lore then, starting with Lliira there are plenty of deities that are actually just blatantly simple-good.
>>741729658I can only think of Lliira, Eldath, Chauntea and maaaaybe Sune, although Sune's a slut.You'd be surprised how cunty even the "nice" gods are towards their Chosen. God help you if you are a Chosen of Mystra.
>>741729868Mielikki, Nobanion, Shiallia are examples of other goodly deities in the FR pantheon who aren't also assholes on the side usually. Probably if stretching a bit we can include some of the less popular race deities like Yondalla and Berronar but they tend to stick to their own, too.
>>741729868>all the good gods are women
>>741726721You literally proved my point. They're stopping technological advancement under the excuse of "equality."
>>741727584Fun fact: In the original plans for BG2 she was one of the three potential traitors in your ranks (one would be chosen randomly at the start of a new game). She would be a failed clone of Imoen, which is why she's so similar to her, including having the same dual-class.
>>741723023Meanwhile the based boomers writing for Harn made sure to freeze the setting at a specific year so your old shit never gets invalidated.
>>741732458It's more nuanced than that.
>>741701704>>741703763DnD is the themepark MMO of tabletop.Every place outside of Neverwinter and Baldur's Gate are unlivable shitholes surrounded by armies or dragons.
>>741717590Wrong, poor imitations of the setting in various later media have confused you but the world of hyboria is mostly primitive with the highest level of tech being something like scalemail.>>741718103Smokepowder firearms are present in Faerun>>741718353Its a misconception because Robert E Howard occasionally brings up lances and pennants except those words can also be used to describe greco-roman era arms and uniform.>>741718743>>741720943Gond controls tech in the FR setting pretty strictly as well and probably more than Harpers allegedly might, his interests are in continuous and boundless technological progress but he doesn't grant it to the unworthy, that's why only limited and secretive places like Lantan are a steampunk society.
>>741733265The way Haarn does elementals is cooler than just being a big glowing energy guy.
>>741701704The new bg2 story mod isn't and imo you forgot tob
I've tried 3 separate times to play through Sword Coast Legends (was delisted from Steam years ago).Each time I get too bored after 5-7 hours. I understand it was delisted for a reason but I still can't believe how dull this game was
>>741734115nigga there is literal plate armor in Aquilonia they are high middle ages not fucking unga bunga, even disregarding that there's also the golden age of piracy yar har pirates sailing around
>>741701704Sword Coast was sectioned off for "computer game products" back when.
>>741734908>pirates only existed in the 17th centuryWhat?>plate armorYou are referencing The Hour of the Dragon which was an expanded rewriting of The Scarlet Citadel specifically for british audiences. In the original form of the story, Conan and his men wear regular mail armor. It isn't stone age but its easy to take away a pseudo dark age tech level for the setting's heartlands (Aquilonian, Nemedia, Ophir) that also aren't late medieval.
>>741701704There were NWN modules for Calimshan, Almraiven, then an official campaign going to the Anauroch.Then in NWN2 modules for Aglarond/Thay, then on official expansions Rashemen
>>741737061the pirates Howard writes about are clearly the buccaneer Spanish main types, there are also 18th century frontiersmen. The whole reason the Hyborian setting existed is because Howard wanted to write from his favorite historical eras all in the same world and not worry about historical accuracy. Aquilonia also has stuff specifically mentioned like armets and burgonets and full suits of plate armor and full-blown chivalric knights.
>>741701704The old Gold Box games (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secrets of the Silver Blades, Pools of Darkness) take place around and south of The Moonsea way to the east of the Sword Coast.
i mean in the end its all just fantasy stuff invented by people, so who cares? you can set a game anywhere you want
I remember reading a forgotten realms book series about the dragonplague and there was an dragon hunter with a mechanical arm who got a cute song dragon wife and in retrospec was incredibly anime>>741723413I always laugh when people call BG3 woke when forgotten realms was always a bit horny.
>>741738034>Howard wanted to write from his favorite historical erasActually its because he was prolific in trying to get published as much as possible and so he wrote interchangeable stories. While its easy to take a buccaneer tone from his seafaring stories (mostly just The Black Stranger, to my memory most of his other journeys for instance with Belit have a much stronger ancient world feel) there's really not much other than the reader's predisposition to take those stories away in that spirit.But you do touch on the reason for it, yes, its because most of the stories are basically pre-written one way and then Howard erased all the fine details to adapt them after the fact to fit the character and setting for where it was being published. If you're ever reading through the Conan stories and suddenly something seems fishy in the text or there's a tone change, that's the reason why.
>>741701704Something about boomer RPG designers wanting to leave lots of space for DMs to homebrew their own shit in their setting. Pretty dumb if you ask me. When I DM, I always go to that map atlas website and keep my games 100% lore friendly.
>>741739186Woke and horny are not the same thing though.
>>741701704i read about the first 20 of salvatore's books and i always thought icewind dale was in the east
>>741739186>BG3 woke when forgotten realms was always a bit horny.Not sure what these have to do with each other, most wokies are puritanical unless its gay, trans, or miscegenation.
>>741705401Amry corps of engineers
>>741725547The narration when you first enter place always eases the weary bones.
Anybody know what that ps3 movie game with the windigos? I need to think up a scenario.
>>741740758Until Dawn was a movie game with windigos, but it was a PS4 game.
>>741701704Its a poorly built world with some awful writing, terrible civilization design, no consistency whatsoever, total lack of coherent structure and feels completely lifeless overall. Probably because it was mostly built around decades of completely random homebrew games so the world has no connecting elements whatsoever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEqDtbC3bL8
>>741733379...if you buy into arbitrary bullshit
>>741705401>Actual literal maintenanceAlong the Sword Coast, these are mostly just dirt roads, well trodden by merchant caravans and only paved near cities.>SafetyIn the Sword Coast region it'd be patrols of local city states' forces, the Flaming Fist, local paladin orders, other religious groups might also provide such services like Shaundakul's faithful, and finally local adventurers when inevitably everything else is stretched thin because the setting is made for such things.
>>741740891So that's why it was hard to find. ps3 has no geams
>>741740945This is the kind of take away you get if you were introduced to the setting after 4th edition or with BG3. It certainly is true these days.
>>741707680planescape is perfect for compootah games
>>741740995From the literal creator of the setting itself?You're being weird about this.
>>741741068that last one is a shitpost right
>>741720664>>741724132DnD needs more games that are not turn based, i liked the dragonshard rts
>>741701704Dominions 6 and the farerun mod. You can play the whole map and it includes many underdark provinces. I am not the biggest dnd fan but the amount of content is great
>>741741521>i liked the dragonshard rtsholy shit, a unicorn
>>741722898 It's a setting. Your question is severely retarded.
im not gonna sugarcoat it, the dark sun games are trash we really need new ones (it will never happen, better cope with conan)
>>741741191The literal creator is the one writing arbitrary bullshit into his fictional soapbox, yes.
No one ever wants a Birthright game.
>>741742069I do. Crusader Kings 3, Birthright full conversion.
>>741741521I'm glad the turn-based fad is passing.
Hear me out:Mount & Blade, but in Mystara.
>>741742047If you say so. Think I'll take what the literal creator of the setting says in greater consideration, though.
>>741742069>No one ever wants a Birthright game.I do. I've wanted it since the setting was released, I thought it was so damn cool of a setting concept and for gameplay.But I'm also fully aware that the setting ended up being super niche and not particularly as popular as other settings, so it would never happen beyond the one.
>>741742260That, but Birthright.
>>741726859Torm and his Gold Dragon buddy/ride.
Faster than Chiktikka Fastpaws!
>>741722898Forgotten Realms was created initially by a singular prolific super nerd and based pervert (pic related). His autism and decades of, along with the official D&D company, adding on have built up the world, but he still has focuses and places he based his own initial campaigns. And that tends to encourage books and video games set in the fleshed out areas.For example, Elminster is clearly his pet project and one of Faerun's canon big characters. Elminster's home base is the Dales and around the area of Myth Drannor, well away from the Sword Coast.
Because at the end of the day no one that actually matters cares about Faerun. It is a product designed to extract wealth from the customer. The people who matter decided that the small corner is all that matters to making money. That's it that's the answer. It's simply a cold hard logical mathematical business decision. Nothing more nothing less.
>>741742047We do not speak ill of basedwood in this house!>>741742865
>>741742927I just call it like I see it. He can be based on one thing and dumb/arbitrary on another.
Make games in Daggerdale! (ignore the one that currently exists on Steam and was originally released on XBox360; that ones awful)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3lvovsnyo0&t=59
>>741742927There's a difference between being horny and perverted and being a relatively low-class individual like Greenwood. He is fundamentally rotten if you follow any of his actual beliefs in anything beyond appreciating sexy women.
>>741707552Dragonlance doesn't have the kind of sway it had as they did back in the 90'sModern equivalent of Dragonlance (setting that gained popularity as actual play D&D game sessions turned into media consumed by others) is effectively Critical Role's setting
>>741743856nta, but nah. Greendwood is great
>>741722468Athkatla, the melting pot city that never sleeps. Ideally with a vamp gf
>>741706230You just KNOW King Grol fucks that spider pussy raw.
>>741704195that D&D open world game that was in development got shut downwho knows if it would been trash or not, but I still would've liked to have seen it
>>741742153Turn based is a hold over from pen and paper games. If DND were truly optimized it would have combat be real time as a video gameWe need some autist to make a custom encounter creator for dnd and make it multiplayer online. Imagine all the custom dungeons people would create on the Steam Workshop.
>>741705130probably some arab/indian/jeet/asian derivative slop.
>>741746039I love Persian aesthetics in fantasy though. And NO I'm not talking about the generic ass Aladdin magic carpet turban head curved sword sandy temple shit. Search up REAL Persian architecture and art. It's based.
>>741744041bodhi more like booty, damn, irenicus should've stopped being an oneits and fucked her saving us a lot of trouble
>>741723185Basically it's laziness and lack of talent. Any DM worth his salt will be able to make his own setting for a campaign, even a fairly generic one. But some people are just dumb or even worse, part of a group where no one actually wants to DM and the job is passed around like a punishment. So pre-made settings like Forgotten Realms/Faerun exist so those people can essentially just consult a flowchart in answer to anything the players do, think>Players decide to go north at the crossroads>Lazy/Unwilling DM consults the setting book and which tells them they will arrive at X village and meet Y npc who will give them Z quest.
>>741727479It's always funny to me how many fantasy settings (D&D ones especially) are so evil and dystopian in their mythological systems despite not meaning to, and in fact are often more depressing than real world pagan mythologies they're aping, which conversely had every intention of being, while not evil, than at least a resigned "Dems' da' breaks".
>>741747589That IS by design, or at least it was in the days of Greyhawk. Evil was designed to always be ascendant to give the players actually something to do and struggles against. Pretty fucked up when you think about it.
>>741705497How does the tentacle feel against Boba Fett's bare balls?
>>741747230I think that's overly negative. It's cool sometimes to experience a famed campaign setup or scenario, and most groups personalize things rather than rely solely on the book. Not every local guy is going to be a better worldbuilder than the pro who writes these adventures.
>>741747589It has to be, conflict is the source of stories after all.
>>741747994Yep. Plus having a base to build on or to take inspiration from.I play a weekly game in a published setting, and while we do use the geography, world history, notable events and people, etc, our DM also splices in everything from OD&D adventures to his own fully homebrewed stuff into it.The setting ends up as a backdrop and a canvas for him to bend and break in whichever way he sees fit.
>>741747230Or they have cool concepts that an amateur is unlikely to come up with on the fly.
>>741745791>We need some autist to make a custom encounter creator for dnd and make it multiplayer online. Imagine all the custom dungeons people would create on the Steam Workshop.Tell me more about what you'd like to see.
Imagine a wargame set during the time of troubles, something like Dominions meets Total War.
I would ride or die with the kobolds in any universe until Kurtulmak finally gets justice. The only good gnome never crawled out of the dirt it spawned in.
>>741743856>He is fundamentally rotten if you follow any of his actual beliefswhich would be? i can't find anything weird about him when looking him up. he's a prototypical canadian.
>>741750025his father was a literal spook and believes any tyranny the state does is justified because it's for your own good, I'm simplifying but it's around that order, guy radiates a particular sort of maliciousness
>>741747867>>741748039You don't need the most depressing metaphysics possible for there to be struggle and conflict and powerful evil though. Like selfish kings will be tyrants, Orcs will raid, and Demons will invade, regardless of whether the metaphysics decree that all orphans and puppies go to the pain dimension when they die.
>CTRL+F>"Kitchen">8 resultsGet help you autistic faggot
>>741701704FR is such a lame setting actually. Greyhawk, Darksun etc better.
>>741752418
>>741754937It pissed me off so much when they made it the official default setting for 5E. I've always thought it was a lame setting, but before it at least had the decency to stay in it's own setting books and not infect the rest of the game with its lameness.
>>741752418stop making kitchen sink slop
>>741708857A FUCKING SQUIRREL
>>741746579tfw no Loviatar gf
>>741747867Redpill me on Greyhawk.
>>741754937Yeah but if they touch Dark Sun now they will ruin it. I would love nothing more then a new Dark Sun RPG but only from an alternate timeline where these PC faggots aren't in charge of design.
>>741762773This but also a tranny top.
>>741750281what does that have to do with him though? ed greenwood himself seems fine
>>741763502Yeah imagine if the desert setting had non-white people in it.
Why isn't there any racism or slavery in the d&d setting?Or rape?It happened constantly in the medieval times.
>>741763447It's the same fantasy kitchen sink as Forgotten Realms, only less horny and less popular.
>>741763767There is?Or at least there used to be, until WotC sanitized every aspect of D&D in 5e, because think of the childen and easily triggered lefties.
>>741763829There's still slavery, it's just more or less limited to monster races taking human captives and the Drow, who kinda can't get rid of it because it's basically all they have.
>>741746579Forgotten Realms was such a fun and lore-rich setting once upon a time. They really couldn't help taking a shit on all of it and turning it into the most generic fantasy slop imaginable.Read any of the old setting supplements from 3e or even better 2e (when the monster manual included detailed ecologies instead of just quick blurbs) and the granularity and attention to detail is night and day with 5e.
>>741703584>South of the Sea of Stars and East of Lake of SteamStarting from West to East.Arnaden (north Lake of Steam) also known as the Land of Lions is free city states clashing with nomadic fuckers who were originally colonized by Calimshan (during the days of the Shoon Imperium) but got free because of the Beholder Wars. So there's a lot of fiercely independent people who want to shake off all signs of Calimshan connections, but that's easier said than done.Turmish is very weird culturally, and I can't even begin to really get into it. Western Turmish had loads of Lizardmen back when they are still a part of the setting, IIRC there was a blurb in one of the old books about diplomats from another state coming to treat with a lizardman king, and they were surprised (but didn't stop the king) when he took one of the diplomat's aides as a snack.Sespech is basically just a place with loads of nagas, yuan-ti cults, and slavery fucking around with normal people.Chondath is a bunch of city states and also the testing grounds of a number of magic WMDs, so several of their towns are basically radioactive ruins.Chessenta is what if greece survived to medieval times, still warring city states, but a lot of politics, and naked olympic games.
Remember Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes?I remember. The lorebook so awful it singlehandedly made me lose faith in 5e.
>there's games all over faerun>so why is it only the sword coast games that are good
>>741705130In the original writings, the map stopped at Thay/Murghom/etc.TSR wanted to plug this idea of an adventure that involved fighting Genghis Khan, so the map expanded to include THE HORDELANDS which are loads of steppes, mountains, yakmen, mongolians, and occasionally weird magic shit (giant glass tower, magic winter land, etc).Then because Asian shit was popular they hired Mike Pondsmith from Cyberpunk to write asian shit, and he just did "It's Medieval China! But Wujen exist! It's medieval Japan but ninjas are everywhere!" etc for Kara-Tur.Forgotten Realms is a great example of one man's ideas having loads of company shit slammed into it.Hell, Moonshae Isles being lmao king arthur, is because TSR already had novels printed for a King Arthur game they wanted to publish, but the subsidiary studio that was going to publish it went bankrupt, and they had to sell the book, so they put the FR label on it to sell it as a part of this new FR setting!
>>741764118>who kinda can't get rid of it because it's basically all they have.Nah, the drow have metric fuckton of lore, that WotC actively keeps ignoring, because they are so fixated on Drizzt, Menzoberrenzan and House Baenre.While Vhaeraun and Eilistraee are still waiting to be used in any way till this day.
>>741707680>>741701704These both are very obvious rip offs of Silmarillion.
>>741705947Because in the early writings it said "any map of the sword coast is inherently wrong" because it was implied that so many different groups keep marching in with mercenary armies that they kill each other, claim new territory, and then get killed by the next guy who comes in and does the same thing.BG and the shit North of Waterdeep were meant to be the exceptions.Then BG got popular and the Sword Coast maps became the one most consistent thing in all of Faerun.
>>741764504And IIRC, Greenwood HATED all the Kara-Tur/Al Qadim/whatever appendices, because he despised the lazy worldbuilding of "it's a country X, but fantasy".
>>741764517Yeah but that lore all circles back on itself into the "Dommy Mommy has enslaved me" concept.
>>741764565He has said that in multiple interviews at this point, he iirc even said the Anauroch book he was contractually obligated to write was one of the worst things he's ever done because they told him he needed to force Bedouins into the setting to fit a module that TSR was pushing at the time.
>>741712636I wish things were less gay, because then I would want a Thay video game.In old Forgotten Realms, Baldur's Gate straight up had bounties on Orc scalps, there's a reason Viconia is being put to the torch as well.Thay meanwhile was known for being a multi-racial society with gnolls on the city watch (good sense of smell and hearing helps investigations and chasing down perps), orcs working much of the construction and farming industries, halflings being used for personal slaves.It would make an actually interesting contrast to the rest of the setting to have the nation most associated with the Red Wizards be shown as the one that's closer to how modern societies work.But that would require keeping the racism that was inherent to the other parts of the setting.The fact Waterdeep had orcs and ogres able to get jobs there was seen as disgusting and grotesque by its neighbors.The fact that in Turmish and much of the Old Empires, you can be put to death for having the wrong political affiliations is a feature, not a bug.
>>741701704Literally nobody on the planet gives a single fuck about Faerun, everyone who plays DnD just makes their own setting instead due to how utterly devoid of charisma and character the default one isFor being so old you'd expect it to be rich in history and be so developed as to sound almost real, yet it all reads like something an AI could make on the fly
>>741716720Cormyr was the original "core" of the setting.Good King (just ignore the secret police constantly watching your every move)Adventuring Charters (just ignore that it was licenses to keep track of armed members of the populace).Magical Institutions (also ignore that all mages had to be registered to the government, and if above a certain level also had to be geas'd to never turn against the crown).And in the middle of everything so it could easily send adventures anywhere.
>>741764776I care about Faerun.
>>741764802Wasn't it Phlan/Dalelands and Myth Drannor? Myth Drannor in particular was this go-to "DM needs to pull a dungeon out of his ass" location.
dnd is gay and retarded keep ruining all games
>>741764868A little bit of all of the above.If you look at the lowbie modules, they're all either north cormyr or Dalelands.Myth Drannor iirc was more referenced for "when you want to scare your players with big shit" which is why Ed used it to that effect in those not so great early novels.
>>741764736>Let's just flatten all that rich lore and worldbuilding out>Its not problematic now because everyone's a zombie or monster in Thay!>Red Wizards? As master manipulators and political serpents infiltrating other kingdoms through intrigue? Nahhh, we want dumbster people with room temperature IQ playing our games instead and they don't like nuance.>Red Wizards are now just the equivalent of evil monsters that every civilized character identifies as a bogeyman, just red-flavored pseudo liches.
>>741764945Friendly reminder that Jeremy Crawford singlehandedly turned the very epic and complex War of the Seldarine that served as an origin story of all elves into a very simplistic clumsy metaphor for trans rights. I wish I was making that up.
>>741763767Amn used to be about slavery. Mystara was full of slaves. Dark Sun is the setting where you're meant to liberate all slaves.
>>741765120>Amn used to be about slavery.One of the first characters you meet in BG2 is Aerie, an ex-slave. And slavery rings are all over the place in Athkatla. There is even a quest about it.
>>741765120I like how Amn in Lands of Intrigue sounds like a place every questionably rich Billionaire would live.Like Epstein would have a house on Lake Esmel.
>>741716286or you can just pirate the deluxe edition.
>>741763767Because right now the IP is in the hands of Californian tranny types who want to pervert and mangle every fantasy setting into medieval L.A
>>741763748Either you know damn well that that's not what I mean, or you don't know anything about Dark Sun.
>>741765118I don't consider anything after 4e canon in Forgotten Realms because of all these things. I know in Tome of Foes I think, as mentioned by this anon >>741764432 they made it so all elves can just change their biological sex every morning based on how they feel. It wasn't the canary in the coal mine because there were already a lot of other red flags before then but it was certainly one of the more visible indicators to abandon new WotC products.
>>741765280Aren't WotC from Seattle?
>>741765329They are, but their employees aren't
>Kevin Siembieda was actively suing WotC out of existence back in the 90s>Mike Pondsmith convinced Siembieda to settle down and stop the lawsuits>Siembieda is now an obscure writer who barely exists while WotC is this horrifyingly terrible monolithWe almost had an amazing timeline.
>>741765317I don't consider anything after 3.5 canon, because 4e was dogshit as well. It was the edition that made Greenwood cry and WotC's circular logic eventually bit them in the ass.Also, Eilistraee.
>>741765406What was Maximum Mike thinking??
>>741765417Same, that's what I meant by after 4e.
>>741765406It doesn't matter, had Wotc been sued out of existence someone else would've naturally fill the void and become the monolith in their place, be it Paizo with Pathfinder or whoever else
>>741765686While true, we presumably wouldn't have had a card game company whose primary goal was treating RPGs like a TCG and all of the bad design habits that brings taking over the market through D&D.Which in turn would likely have kept D&D as still a more niche appeal product, at least for a longer period of time.While I honestly don't think it would have survived the mess that has been the last few years of corporations/private-equity trashing everything, it would at least have less trashy memories than the ones we got with the 2006/2007 and later era.
You know, in hindsight, Drizzt wasn't that bad.
4E was a better game than 3 or 5 and only autistic Realmsfags think otherwise.
>>741766651t. Matt Colville
>>7417666514e was a natural evolution of the design process late 2e and 3e started.Its settings were shit, and it failed to capture the feel of older D&D editions.4e's biggest mistake was not going all the way on its ideas.If they sacrificed all of the sacred cows and designed it from the ground up as the super heroic tactical battle game that they clearly wanted, it would probably be remembered as doing that well (and why the D&D 4e board games are actually pretty decent).By failing to "be D&D" and failing to cater wholly to the audience who wants that kind of game, it just left a bad taste in everyone's mouths, to the point that Pathfinder was able to be created off of the back of it despite Paizo dropping the ball every chance they get.
>>741766651THEY KILLED OFF ELISTRAEE
>>741764818You can have drow sluts in your homebrew world too, you know
>>741766773Also, 4e managed to alienate lorefags in the same way VtM 5e did. Too many dumb lore changes for the sake of changes, to the point even infamously patient Greenwood got pissed. I guess the idea was to "streamline" the lore, but imagine telling to lorefags that we are cutting 60% of lore they liked for the sake of greater mainstream appeal.
>>741766839Yes, and?
>>741766891>but imagine telling to lorefags that we are cutting 60% of lore they liked for the sake of greater mainstream appeal.Ehh 5e did it too
>>741766891>hey, let's spit in the face of our paying customers so we can pander to people who aren't interested in our product in the first placeMany such cases
>>741766891It's just a horrible idea.When Disney declared all EU non-canon, I heard people at my game store asking how Disney never learned from WotC, because like WotC that's a fanbase you never get back no matter how many concessions you make.Of course Disney/StarWars is a different thing, but it stuck out to me how many people still feel that way.>>741766974I'm still wondering how Larian got away with having Sharess references at all when WotC in their massive retcons and effectively rewriting the setting, again, have purposely left her existence vague and outright implied she doesn't exist (and possibly never existed).
>>741715426That's not variety, that's a lack of vision and commitment.
>>741766974And everybody hated that as well. Also, 4e was more open about their desire for streamlining the lore, it was actually one of the edition's selling points.While 5e just doesn't care about creating any lore whatsoever and when they do, it's contradictory.
>>741767051I only care about the Old Republic. Star Wars after Disney isn't Star Wars.On the other hand we have publishers like White Wolf, who killed off all their lines intentionally and split the community in half forever. Now they killed the second line too. Only the 5e noobs are left and that's where Bloodlines 2 comes from.
>>741767051>I'm still wondering how Larian got away with having Sharess references at allI am wondering how Larian got away with Eilistraee references, given that WotC has an active hateboner for her and are trying to memoryhole her every step of the way.I still don't understand where the hateboner is coming from - she is one of the most popular deities in FR fandom after all.
>>741767153Eh, sequel trilogy is awful and Disney Wars are very hit and miss, but Andor and Maul still give me some hope that there is someone in Lucasfilm that gives a fuck.
>>741767323Several 4e writers said they felt she diminished the idea of drow being scary/evil/bad monster race.Jeremy Crawford was one of the more open speakers to that regard.I heard he got replaced with a full on c-suite dude but I haven't been keeping up.
>>741701704qrd on the giant rhino on the map?
>>741767583It left a great rift behind when it tripped running from the giant cat on the map.
the great rift looks like nutty putty cave
>>741705401necromancers might be assholes, but they too know the value of a good road.
>>741707680DnD tries its best to bury the existence of Dark Sun.
>>741767776No it doesn't. I dont see saddam hussein anywhere in that image.
>>741767493>Several 4e writers said they felt she diminished the idea of drow being scary/evil/bad monster race.There was a meme making rounds how WotC dug themselves into a hole with that thinking.>Salvatore introduces Drizzt>D&D fans find the idea of "my species doth protest too much" very cool>every newbie party gets plagued with good-aligned outlier drow rangers to the point people start finding it obnoxious, but that's the only lore-accurate option you have>Greenwood introduces Vhaeraun and Eilistraee, providing the lore for good-and neutral-aligned drow and giving them more variety and everybody's happy>WotC in their crusade to make the drow scary again removes Vhaeraun and Eilistraee>now the players go back to playing good-aligned outlier drow rangers again, because that's the only lore choice they haveAnd then it gets better>the twitter moral guardians start making a stink about how the black-skinned elves are designed to be chaotic evil by default and that's racist>huh, if only WotC had some non-evil drow deities that would prove twitter wrong...
>>741727638by beating up the faggots writing him and burning down their house.
>>741767583Its a map made by some rando using Inkarnate, its not an official map. So you have a lot of fatfinger mistakes like this and everything looks like its written in comic sans.
>>741767583Probably to remind people that The Shaar is actually savannahs with lions, wemics, and shit like that since people seem to think it's like western deserts.>>741767776Land of the Saudis.
>>741767937But exceptionalism is bad too, they had a no-win situation by coming to the argument with those fags to begin with.Whenever you accept an asshole's point instead of refusing it outright on the basis that it's just wrong, you acknowledge their point as correct, and since they're an asshole they will never let go of that.
>>741768128>looks up wemicshot
>>741768242You're close to the truth that companies haven't learned in the last 20 years, that opening comments and social media presences is a retarded mistake because suddenly every retard has a platform to bitch for their attention whoring purposes instead of for purposes of legitimate and useful product feedback.
>>741766891>Lore>In D&D>A game where you are encouraged to literally invent your own lore and setting>When literally every single edition without exception has a completely different default setting anyway, thus rendering your argument moot.
>>741768242>But exceptionalism is bad tooBut the Eilistraee drow isn't exceptionalism, that's the catch. They are a completely seperate society, that is just at odds with their Lolth counterparts.
>>741768345>CR faggot
>>741768457Even better, according to old lore true "lolthite" societies are only supposed to be about 30% of Drow.Most Drow are pantheistic and less extremist in their views.Eilistraee drow are amongst those groups (as well as their own surface groups), because pure lolth worship was supposed to be rare (as mono-deity worship in FR is generally rare).
>>741768457Then what's even the point of the Drow? The evil dominatrix shtick is literally why they exist. Without that it's just normal fucking elves. If you want "good" Dark Elves just set your campaign in Tamriel.
>>7417685374E has plenty of setting books for you to choose from if you want to keep the lore. Eberron, Dark Sun, and yes even your precious Forgotten Realms. Your arguments are hollow.
>>741768582Check out the AD&D Drow of the Underdark book (not to be confused with the REALLY SHIT 3e version), they've got a lot going for them that's different from default elves.Also Elves of Evermeet helps fill in how FR Elves are, which sadly got lost in later editions.
>>741768671k
>>741768582Go to sleep, Chris Perkins.Also, it's called "having variety". For the same reason fans liked Kingdom of Many-Arrows, until WotC blew it up.
>>741720664I love not-Deedlit
>>741707680I feel like at the very least a D&D game should have a little easter egg area of each main plane, not asking for anything major, just a little bit to set the mood of it being a setting with planes
>>741768563WotC got really fixated on Menzoberrenzan because of Drizzt and now everybody thinks that "evil, Lolth-obsessed dommy-mommies" from Menzo are a default, while Menzo is just one of many, varied drow societies. Sshamath for instance is a magocracy, where non-arcane spellcasters get fucked.And both in FR and in Greyhawk, majority of drow commoners lean towards neutral, with plenty of them secretly worshipping other deities, including Eilistraee, with only the nobles being evil and batshit insane. It just so happens that 90% of drow novels focuses on the nobles.
what are some good campaigns to watch?
>>741769257Play the game yourself nigga
>>741769257I can't think of any that aren't WotC sponsored. And WotC-sponsored campaigns are always AWFUL.
>>741769257This isn't a real thing, just play the game yourself, all watchable campaigns are either scripted to some degree or completely boring as a spectator. One of the best boards on this site is /tg/ you can go there if you want since its also full of no-games.
Why do people love Neverwinter Nights, anyway? I remember getting filtered by very poor-ass campaign and shit graphics. And yet, I adore BG2 to this day.
>>741721376Lmaohttps://www.wargamer.com/dnd/dark-sun-problematic>Dungeons and Dragons executive producer Kyle Brink has made a return to the Dark Sun DnD setting seem pretty unlikely. In an interview on February 22, he tells D&D YouTuber Bob World Builder: "the Dark Sun setting is problematic in a lot of ways, and that's the main reason we haven't come back to it".
>>741744041Here's your Bodhi.
>>741732550huh, who were the other two, or who was the other one if Yoritomojimbohaiiyee was the one they just kept?And why am I right in guessing it's fucking anomen?
>>741767583African terrasque but it's sleepy and decided to lie down in a perfectly rhino-shaped hole for 50,000 years. Why was there a rhino-shaped hole in the ground?Fish people from out of space. If multiple settings can blame aboleths for everything so can I.
>>741770728For WotC everything is problematic.Remember the time Crawford had an integer overflow when justifying a reason for removing half-elves from the game? "I just find mixed races problematic" wasn't the smartest reasoning, Jeremy.
>>741770831Nobody would recognize these two as the characters they're supposed to represent if they weren't explicitly named. Whoever drew/commissioned this is retarded.
>>741770494Every time this gets asked usually its some variation or combination of the online experience and/or the toolset, neither of which has been emulated since because they run contrary to DLC and Cash Shop monetization practices that define the modern games industry.Neverwinter Nights was a highly pro-consumer game that let the end user easily construct multiplayer and singleplayer world and gameplay experiences with as little friction as possible.
>>741771181That's not the bad part. The bad part is that SOMEHOW IRENICUS RETURNED.
>>741771129>No more racemixingAstoundingly based. Get that man a close shave haircut and skull tattoo. Another win for the "I'm so concerned about modern sensibilities I have forgotten the fantasy setting will not necessarily even be ethically better with them" team. Reminds me of a forum discussion that blew up because someone felt it was racist the capellans are so sneaky, which when pressed on revealed they didn't realise it's 99% cultural, not ethnic any more and there's caucasians going around worrying about bushido and asians who have to eat bongland food and send our Ema wot a princess down to NAIS. Then they doubled down and said not keeping cultures ethnic was disrespectful. Fun times.
>>741771240Wasn't his soul eaten, or something?
>>741771371>Ohelps if I mention this was a battletech forum. Only marginally more autistic than here and lots of more germans, unsurprisingly.
>>741771129Half-races have always been retarded, though.Only ones who get to half-race are dragons. And only because those perverts are shapeshifting into whatever they want to fuck.Maybe other things that shape-shift could do it as well, I guess.
>>741770728>PicIts weird this Shadow of the Torturer fanart is cross referenced with Dark Sun on a search.
>>741771417He's supposed to be stuck in Hell. Not that WotC cares. Irenicus is popular, therefore, he's back. We'll come up with a bullshit reason later.
>>741771510I mean, it's a dying Earth setting in both cases, so not particularly strange.
>>741771489If you'd like, in AD&D Dragons could only half-mix with certain races (draconic shapeshifting was very limited), part of what made Orcs/Ogres a threat was orcs could breed with just about anything, and ogres with most things.
>>741770728Players today are too idiotic to grasp that Dark Sun setting is intentionally grimdark and you the players are given the tools to save it, but everyone focuses on problematic things as if they're implied to be good.
>>741771609doing significant spadework that WotC has not in any way actually done: I can see in thousands of years of doing dumb shit like getting rid of his pointy ears and summoning too many golems he had something interesting enough to bribe Asmodeus with or some Mehpistopheles bullshit as fucking usual in some shitty contract that would if they actually made any effort at all come with more costs than it's worth etc. Even this is serious cope since Asmodeus in his Faerun flavour is really hot (heh) on the rules. Consistency is the key too good business etc.
>>741765406Palladium is missed.
>>741771713>Setting that's intentionally awful and you're not supposed to actually agree with attracts audience who are incapable of handling that because they have to be their character but also hot and powerful and cool and law-abiding.
>>741771713Honestly it was part of what made Dark Sun stick out.Dragonlance was about following the quest.FR was about 1000 different adventures none of which was bigger than regional (the fucking iron throne questline has a greater impact on Faerun as a whole than the bhaalspawn for example)Dark Sun was built as a setting of "The world sucks, fix it." As opposed to most "the world sucks" settings where you're just supposed to live with it.
>>741772004>Priest of AOWhose dick did he suck to get that non-job? Even the priests around him look fucking offended this freeloader is hanging around who just tells everyone praying "it's working as intended not a bug" and "Sorry we don't have a customer helpline the bigman doesn't answer calls" and can just shrug when people ask him why AO keeps being a retard with the tablets of faith.
>>741772123IIRC the book even says his priests are just rich jackoffs because they have no powers either.
>>741772123What's the idea behind Ao anyway?He's supposed to be the DM, right?
>>741772119>Dragonlance was about following the quest.I would agree but thanks for reminding me about the time we played with five people and wanted a short campaign before switching to conan so we did four kender and a priestess of Takhisis trudging around icereach in search of dragon bones. "white snow and the seven(four, three died of frostbite) kender" Very dumb. We mostly spent each session trying to steal/borrow from each other.
>>741772315Basically yeah. In the novelization he's the DM's agent in the world, as the DM is the being Ao answers to off-camera.
>>741772315in very short, and frankly because from the adventuring perspective he's not supposed to even matter: overboss of the gods/God janny.>Doesn't need prayers like everyone else>Literally does not/is not supposed to care remotely about the mortal-side of things, so doesn't give spells or do anything with adventurers.>Just exists to make sure gods are "doing their job" id es: keeping to their portfolio and actually responding to mortal shit.>Has admin powers so when inevitably cyric or one of the gayer gods did shit he would punish everyone like a janny.>Not considered: every single time AO has done so it's usually fucked up mortals way more anyway. >Had a rage fit "recently" and destroyed the tablets of faith, which in theory balanced law and chaos. Because lmao.The key thing is that he's just there to moderate gods and in an ideal setting nobody would even know he exists. It has not been an ideal setting.
>>741772168Sounds about right, good job to give your jackass thirdborn noble son to keep them busy as the spare spare but also not actually remotely empowered to "move up the queue" as it were. Or fops.
>>741771129Do people still follow that retarded mongoloid's abysmal rulings religiously?
>>741772004>>741772210>Writer said on Candlekeep forums that like a good third of the books still had to be cut out despite him using the smallest font and spacing TSR allowed because they insisted he add stats/combat-rules for every fucking Deity instead of writing about how different cultures handle the same deity.
>>741771129Holy fucking based.
>>741771489Mullatos exist in real life, why would elf-human mullatos be retarded? I mean aside from the whole being retarded enough to make one in the first place of course.
>>741773242No, I think people caught onto his bullahit after a while.
>>741773324The thing was just that WotC wanted to introduce that "modular half-races" thing PF2 introduced, but they were too lazy and too stupid to make it work, so the end result was that they just removed half-races for the game and then introduced some bullshit retarded mechanic of "roll an elf and then ask your DM if you can cosplay as an elf-kenku hybrid". And Crawford was handpicked to explain that shit away and as is always the case with WotC, it all backfired hilariously, because even he couldn't find a good reasoning for it.
Why is 5th Ed lore so fucking lame, gay and shit?
>>741701704The map is incredibly overloaded. You can't travel two days without hitting a major settlement.
>>741774040Because nobody cares about the lore anymore. I don't they even have a loremaster.As for it being gay - well, Crawford used to be in charge and he was known for openly using 5e modules into pushing his agendas. He's gay, by the way.
>>741773938Couldn't they have just made it so a god or something decided halfbloods are an abomination and rewrote the cosmos so races could only reproduce with themselves?
>>741774179It wouldn't fix the issue. Because the issue was that NOBODY HAD A PROBLEM WITH HALF-RACES, UNTIL WOTC DECIDED THEY ARE A PROBLEM THEY HAVE TO FIX.That's the issue with WotC. They are at this point dubious experts on fixing issues they created.
>>741774305Right, but my point is pointing at a god and saying "he did it" would make more sense than "fuck I dunno I just think halfies are gross". Less of a PR nightmare too. You could even bill it as a villainous act for brownie points with faggots.
Is MTG the only shit that keeps WOTC alive?
>>741774040The guy before Crawford famously said that lore hurts player imagination.Crawford says lore should conform to modern standards.The guy after Crawford says lore only exists when it makes money.
>>741774570Yes, basically. And not just WOTC but hasbro as a whole. They are hemorrhaging money everywhere else. And MTG's days are numbered as they are bleeding core fans(crossover fans don't stick around once the crossover ends, eventually they will run short of high ticket ones to pump the money machine with).
>>741774570Not the only but the foremost by far.They own a lot of shit.
>>741774473Well, they didn't remove half-races per se, they just overhauled the mechanic to the point it's nonsense. That is ALSO accidentally racist, by the way.Because it's essentially a "one drop rule" now. You are now mechanically forced to play a full-blood that cosplays as a mixed race.
>>741701704That's where all the white people live.
>>741774570Famously the reason 3.5e got canned was because Hasbro demanded to know how WotC spends its money and found out MtG costs a fraction of D&D and makes 500 times as much (slight exaggeration).The reason 4e got turned into essentials was because once more costs of running an RPG made it not worth keeping even if it was making a profit.Fun fact: Every RPG writer from the 80s/90s will tell you the profits on RPG books has always been slim, and something to do either as a hobby or because you don't need much to live.5e started with a crew of 5 permanent staff, 1 semi-permanent staff member, and a bunch of random contractors because WotC had to keep costs at a bare minimum to please Hasbro.Then Hasbro started losing money everywhere, and begged WotC to save them.The result is that WotC got to greatly expand their employees again... except the actual game writers are still very few, much of their shit gets outsourced to contractors again (something that failing RPG companies are famous for doing), and the majority of WotC workers are community/marketing people now, because D&D was pushed as a new "lifestyle/franchise" brand.Like funkopops, star wars, and other shit no one likes anymore.
>>741774658>The guy before Crawford famously said that lore hurts player imagination.Who Mearls or Perkins? Mearls is an idiot, but at least he was trying. Perkins is a mastermind behind 4e's lore "changes", so he's a fuckup by default. And Crawford really loves to preach about "modern sensibilities" in everything he writes.I don't know who the new guy is, but I don't expect a lot, because everybody competent has long left WotC.
>>741774053This was part of the charm because its realistic. Its not supposed to be retarded "points of light" that showed up around 4e for designing shitty worlds where everything would be apocalyptically non-functional.That said, there were actually wilderness regions that are sparse for adventuring to happen and even in dense areas there are usually woodlands or bogs or what have you that are populated by monsters and wildlife (goblins, orcs, giant spiders, whatever).>but that's boringOnly if you have a boring GM. You're supposed to run campaigns where factions are at odds with each other. The Zhentarim are supposed to show up and strong-arm their way into running the local mines and the heroes have to untangle it and then discover all the monsters they're using secretly or whatever. Or maybe the Red Wizards are flooding local markets with some cursed figurines and the adventurers have to get to the bottom of it, etc. Or maybe the players are helping the Red Wizards with their cursed figurines and have to deal with pesky invetigators from the Flaming Fist, etc etc.
>>741703584ton of djinn I think
>>741775145Mearls iirc said he thinks lore gets in the way and would prefer to focus on mechanics.He was also the one who got in trouble for saying sorcerer (and psionicists) shouldn't exist unless they're functionally different from mages, because reskinning classes is something people do at every table, mechanics are what gets people interested in new stuff.Perkins thought lore needed to be streamlined.Crawford is a straight up fag, like the actual bad kind of fag as opposed to just 'lmao gay'.New guy is technically no one. They refused to make a new creative director. James Wyatt allegedly has the power of a creative director, but he doesn't in actuality, because D&D is now a franchise brand, so it's more falling into the hat of the corporate overlords deciding everything.
>>741775434Functionally different from Wizards* my mistake.
>>741774053>lvl 13 giganiggas sit on their hands instead of making their own settlements for that sweet tax moneyIts almost like you want to be poor forever
>>741775434>He was also the one who got in trouble for saying sorcerer (and psionicists) shouldn't exist unless they're functionally different from magesFollowing that logic, we should've also ditched paladins, rangers and barbarians, because they are the "variant" of the melee class.
>>741724138Raistlin did fug once though. Some curious slut who used to hang around his brother. Apparently it wasn't great. He reminisces about it while trying to resist the charms of that priestess in his trilogy, I think.
>>741775789IIRC he was the reason why one of the early 5e playtests was Cleric/Fighter/Mage/Thief, and said he didn't want to add more classes without mechanical differences.That's why the early alpha sorcerer was a hybrid mage/warrior who used spell points and as they cast more spells their bloodline would flare up so they'd swap between caster/melee based on how many spell points they kept pooled up and how much they cast.
>>741775956>That's why the early alpha sorcerer was a hybrid mage/warrior who used spell points and as they cast more spells their bloodline would flare up so they'd swap between caster/melee based on how many spell points they kept pooled up and how much they cast.That`s hilarious considering that it's one of the two classes that don't get Extra Attack (also, Cleric).
>>741775956Why not just make everyone an adventurer and leave it up to them to describe the single 1d8 attack + level we give them? Actually a die adds too much, let's just say it's 4 flat damage each time and it always hits. That'll be 300 dollars for the handbook.
>>741776227Don't give WotC ideas.
>>741776224Oh yeah, way different beast back then.>>741776227That's dungeonworld.
Recommend me some fun Forgotten Realms novels. I used to like Elaine Cunningham's stuff back in the day.
>>741773578He also got laid off along with half of the other DnD producers
>>741776383On one hand that's a net positive, but on the other knowing Wotc they didin't fire him because he was terrible at his job but because they're using ChatGPT to write the new rules
>>741776350Twilight Giants series is really good, as is the Watercourse Trilogy.
>>741775956So an actual gish? they could've reused the concept for something else
>>741701704I very distinctly remember playing some NWN/NWN2 mod that took place over the entire map with many levels or "points of interest" scattered around, it was alright, though being a mod of course the quality left something to be desired.
>>741776457Of course. I'm just saying Crawford has gone from being a retarded fag with influence to a retarded fag with no more say on DnD rulings at all. Not that the current staff are any better.
>>741776593It got canned for being too complicated.The VP of D&D during the playtest said in an interview for USA Today that any time anyone said they were an experienced player, their playtest responses were ignored.Meanwhile if they said they were a new player, they were taken 100% at face value, and if anything got complaints about being too complicated the order from on high was to remove it.This thread got me to look into it, holy shit.>WotC lays off most of their workers at Christmas>The two shitty creative heads get let go during 5.5e launch>The people they put in charge left that summer>D&D has basically been rudderless for over a year now
At this point, I’ve just been running old 3.5 edition modules for my friends (we did Madness at Gardmore Abbey and had a blast with it, now moving on to Red Hand of Doom, which fits pretty well south of the Shaar, above Halruaa or whatever) and it’s been really fun.It’s a shame the modern books suck ass. It’s either baby’s first tabletop, or shit like Strahd
>>741702334If they ever touch Ravenloft how gay will a new game make Strahd?
>>741777045Strahd was actually good, before the neutered rerelease at least
>>741777378They literally just did
>make checkers>everyone loves it>modern version now has rainbow colors>pieces can move diagonally or hop around, whatever>black pieces aren't allowed to losejust play the original who cares what one asshole thinks should be "canon" now
We'll never get a fun Forgotten Realms cRPG anymore...I guess I'll design mine own instead.
>>741777461
Any good mods for entirely new quests in BG2 or IWD1? I'm playing one where you have to rescue Waukeen from hell and I dont like it at all.
>>741777045I liked Strahd.Do I like our bespoke 3.5e game a lot more?Yes.But Strahd was my proper introduction to TTRPGs back in 2019 and it's the most fun I had playing 5e, tied with a friend's Eberron game that went all the way to lvl 11.
>>741778035Unfinished Business, Crucible, Poisoned Pathways, Throne of the Mad God - there are A LOT. Also a lot of companion mods add new quests.
>>741776457>they're using ChatGPT to write the new rulesJudging how retardedly ChatGPT handles rules generation, I totally believe it. Tried telling it what themes to use for a character class and it was all dumb shit with no sense of balance or ingenuity.
>>741777734>I guess I'll design mine own instead.Fuck yeah anon.Throw it on github and I'll contribute.
>>741772119Dark Sun sounds even more cool then.
>>741701704They want to use Forgotten Realms in order to make it as woke as fuck and avoid any OSR related issues like how dangerous most of the other worlds are in comparison and how they don't follow MMORPG logic like Forgotten Realms do only Eberron has similar levels of "MMO-Tardation" regarding developed worlds. Its also a way for them to be lazy and fixate on re-usable assets and sets with confined areas and a linear-railroaded experience. That's all there is about it. They do not respect the gamer like Gary Gygax or Dave Arneson did who wanted "power for the gamer" to "fuck up and learn from mistakes." instead of the gay handholding shit.
>>741706263Jack Vance's Dying Earth, its pretty lit. Elden Cock Ring also bases/steals with minor adjustments its lore and shit from Dying Earth. If it were a Dying Earth game you lot would be vat-born fuckers under some kind of a wizard looking pwn other wizards and steal their loot, those wizards were literal gangsters backstabbing each other faster than niggas in the most niggest hood.
>>741722815I don't like how the newer books basically made all his amazing powers were basically Fistandantilus'. According to Dragons of the Hourglass Mage, he was as weak as ever right up until just before the final battle of Spring Dawning, when he finally seized Fisty's powers. Fistandantilus vs Elminster would be a better match-up. Both are long-term plotters. I think in a direct battle Elminster would probably have the edge only because he's a fucking Mary Sue
>>741701704>Why do all video games set here take place in a tiny corner of the map?Because that little corner of the map is the only part of Faerun that is actually fleshed out, the rest is just retarded generic fantasy names randomly slapped on a shitty map for no reason.Faerun is actually a dogshit setting for D&D and I don't know how it became the default. D&D settings are supposed to be like "points of light in a world of darkness" but in forgotten realms you can't go more than 12 fucking feet without stumbling onto another village with no lore and a name like "Oakshire"
>>741701704Okay fine, I'll try to bring another party through all the pools games.
>>741707974The sword coast is really popular because it's got FR New York
>>741781441his powers and the reason he survived his test was because he made the pact with Fistandantilus, then betrayed him later all part of keikaku
>>741781809It was Fistandantilus' plan after he went back over how he fucked up when he first tried to challenge Takhisis. He figured it out, but by then was a specter. So he just seized a new body and went through it all again and that time it worked. Almost none of his powers came from Raistlin himself. He was just a vessel for Fisty.
>>741781441>>741722815Why does everyone want to fight Elminster?Until Ed got told to do novels showing that, Elminster was not a very good fighting mage.Meanwhile the Simbul was someone that, in the dragon magazine crossover articles, the mages from the other worlds were scared of because she's psychotic and casually murders other wizards (and anyone else) who offends her to the point that Mystra had to step in and tell her to stop.
Everyone at WotC should have their testicles tortured
>>741783490Elminster is considered the most powerful mortal in FR, so people want to challenge him to see how their character measures up.
My favorite thing about The Realms is all the dragonfucking.Even Elminster is a dragon fucker.
>>741781441>I don't like how the newer books basically made all his amazing powers were basically Fistandantilus'That's just how Ole Fisto rolled, he lent a fraction of his powers to later take over his apprentice, it just so happened that Raistlin had a Uno card ready.Fisto was always the real deal in Krynn when it comes to spellcasters, but that doesn't mean Raistlin is worse off merely because he's riding on Fisto's juice, both are extremely powerful spellcasters capable of challenging entire pantheons on their own and win.The problem with Fisto VS Elminster is that the latter is a fucking mary sue who has the backup of multiple gods and other powerful spellcasters like the Simbul, so even if Fistandantilus had an edge in terms of spellcasting he can't count on something like a god's backup like Elminster does, it's the same problem Mordenkainen would have in that you have these quintessential wizards who want to autistically have everything under control for themselves while Elminster is fucking Poochie and has all these cool friends in all the right places.
>>741701704>Faecringe
>>741784098Fun fact - both Irenicus and CHARNAME eclipse him in terms of sheer power. To the point where we get to ToB, Elminster decided that shit is way above his level and promptly makes his excuses and leaves.Powerscaling, ahoy!
>>741772546He does occasionally interfere directly with mortals that try to set up serious Ao cults, usually by engineering creatively awful fate for absolutely everyone involved, to dissuade people fucking around in the future.Solitary randos pretending to be his priests get ignored, they just go in the wall after dying.
>>741784774Irenicus was like that because he stole Charname's divinity, and Charname was half-god already, at the point of ascending by the end of ToB. Elminster is still a mortal, afaik.
>>741716286can't remember what had released around this time that made me forget about it and eventually drop it
>>741784774>>741784962Elminster could have rolled in at the end of ToB with the other Chosen of Mystra and cleaned up pretty nicely, they're bullshit OP and mostly restrained from outright ruling the setting by plot fiat. But yeah, solo Elminster would struggle vs a bunch of the ToB encounters and outright lose against the Ascension fight.
>>741741363They're all shitposts
>>741770953I can't remember the third one, sorry.
>>741785361>solo Elminster would struggle vs a bunch of the ToB encountersHe would never be able to make it through those anti-magic rooms in Watcher's Keep. Also, the games are very lenient towards wizards by always giving them bite-sized encounters and letting them rest at will. Realistically, Elminster would die to the first proper ambush because he'd quickly run out of spells, just like Gorion.
Faerun?
>>741787112Would that really be an issue though if Elminster can casually just nuke the entire Watcher's Keep right down to the foundations and personally banish Demogorgon if not beat it up?
>>741712938how many novels is it in total, I think I own like 3
>>741784165>dragonfuckingI mean, who would not when dragons can shapeshift into human/elven/whatnot form?One day you rescue a blonde green/blue-eyed damsel in distress, she rewards you with hot sex, and you part your ways, only for you to bump into her again 10 years later and find out that she is a golden dragon and you were mid at sex and she has 2 kids from you who are dragonborn.>read Riftwar Saga back in the day>one of the chars that heps protag is a golden dragon>she travels with him>she takes on a form of a human female>said form is 11/10 gorgeous blonde with long hair, green eyes, very pretty all-in-allYeah, i am a dragonfucker too, even if its imaginary.
>>741787814>dragonbornHalf-dragon.Dragnborn are their own special snowflake race from a parallel universe or whatever.Unless you are a 3.5e player, then they are the result of a ritual.>>741787814>Yeah, i am a dragonfucker tooI kneel.
>>741701704Because Baldur's Gate/Neverwinter are easy to build shit around and have the most fleshed out lore because the D&D lore writers.
>>741775792There is an entire short story that revolves around someone claiming that Raistlin had a child and Raistlin saying that he would have never forgotten sex if he had experienced it.
>>741787814Very Huma and Heart coded.
>>741781724Which city would that be? Westgate? I am assuming you would refer to Baldur's Gate as FR Los Angeles.
>>741770831they literally whiwashed Bodhi just to remove her PHAT booty
>>741787380Elminster isn't that powerful, in some of the early writing he gets fucked over because a bandit ambush catches him busy and unable to cast.The super mage who can do fucking anything in FR is the Simbul.
>>741787380He couldn't, it's a highly warded location. He could likely subvert it given a long time, but 'just scour it with attack magic' is greater deity-tier.>>741787112Invoke Magic is a thing since 3.5, and I don't think Elminster has ever been powerless in antimagic. Watcher's keep seems beatable for Elminster, even solo (I should know, I beat it on a solo lvl 1 thief run) since he can just go slow and methodical and wizards rule everything with preptime. It's actually the combat encounters that would be crazy, notably Abazigal (fighting multiple high level dragons at once is ass) and Balthasar (demigod bullshit, epic monk bullshit) and especially Ascension (just shits high level outsiders at you, including a fallen Solar deva) where one solo 35th level wizard even with his own demigod/chosen powers is just going to get overwhelmed
>>741781467>that is actually fleshed outYou sound illiterate but it can be forgiven because modern DnD doesn't flesh it out, its all in older supplements from before you were born.
>>741789859>and I don't think Elminster has ever been powerless in antimagic.Raw Magic like Spellfire isn't affected by AMFs I think.
>>741790585>You sound illiterate but it can be forgiven because modern DnD doesn't flesh it out, its all in older supplements from before you were born.I've checked for older supplements as well, and from what I can tell 90% of the map has either never been utilized for anything, or has barely been utilized and the available information is next to useless so you effectively just have to make shit up for the vast majority for the world. Which as far as I'm concerned isn't really an established setting at all, all they've really done is drawn a map and slapped names on it. Outside of the Sword Coast the setting just feels blatantly unfinished
>>741789859>Watcher's keep seems beatable for Elminster, even solo (I should know, I beat it on a solo lvl 1 thief run)Calling bullshit unless you 'beat it' on story mode and sucked all the demons off on the way.
>>741791140Bro what are you talking about?Lands of Intrigue is one of the better box sets for describing the aftermath of the civil war in Tethyr, the growing issues in Amn, how their border states are having issues, and of course their ties and connections to outside regions.There are very few places (purposely) left sparse, like that same box set has Erlkazar as left vague because it's one of those "areas reserved for DMs to make shit up, with a loose framework"
>>741791140You should at least make a small circle around the place with the purple dragon knights (cormyr)?
>>741788078Waterdeep, well I think that one is on the sword coast.
>>741793017It's part of the Northwest.Technically not a part of the Sword Coast, but it's sometimes referred to the Sword Coast North despite the fact the sword coast ends before you get there.
>>741793017>waterdeepThats Vancouver, not New York.
How do we like our new Vecna?
>>741775145>Mearls is an idiot, but at least he was trying. Just stop.
I still don't know why BG3 got so fixated on the Dead Three and Bhaal in particular, so we can have this tortured plot, instead of just making Cyric the main bad guy. He's by design handcrafted for that.Oh, right, Bhaal sells, because memberberries.
>>741701704>>741702334>>741722898The real reason is that many cultures in Faerun were inspired by certain cultures IRL (Calimshan and Turmish for example pre-Islam Arabic and Iranian, Chult and Maztica have Age of Exploration undertones with Africa and Mesoamerica and Colonialism vs Natives stuff) and you cannot have that in CURRENT YEAR without being flayed alive by the wokies. So instead the Swordcoast aka medieval Western Frontier became the Focus while the really wild shit, like the Half-Drow Amazon Kingdom or Not-Egypt which literally has actual Egyptians that were kidnapped from Earth thousands of years ago, doesn't get mentioned. Its still not was wild as Mystara (Dinosaur riding Darkelves from the Hollow Earth and Not-Venice but the Merchant Princes are all Liches who worship a sentient magic nuke)Also I am somewhat dismayed that /v/ now has better Faerun Threads than r/traditionalgames.
>>741796525>memberberriesPretty much.I dropped BG3 once I realized that the only reason the plot is such nonsense is because someone of these fags at Larian played BG2 and decided that every single memorable thing that its in BG2 has to be in BG3.
>>741797963I have a feeling nobody at Larian actually played BG2, because even the BG2 references felt very off.
>>741795482I pretty much stopped caring after they fingered Vecna, Mordenkainen and Tasha. Its the same slop as in comics and hollywood now where you have diversity hires and Tumblr-Writers trying to leave a trail of slime on something much better writers and players created.
>>741701704There are worse offenders.
>>741798916this is unironically good, though.
>>741797621>the really wild shit, like the Half-Drow Amazon Kingdom or Not-Egypt which literally has actual Egyptians that were kidnapped from Earth thousands of years agoany vidya for these?
>>741706684That was AD&D. Keep your crippled wheelchair faggotry to yourself, sloppa.
