Why doesn't Sonic sell well anymore?
>>741733031SHITnic the SHIThog has NEVER had a good game.
>>741733031Frontiers sold 4 million.It's just Sonic racing games that are shit.
>>741733423This
>>741733423FPBP
>>741733562why would sonic need a vehicle when he can run fast?
>>741733423Based
>>741733423
>>741733031When the fuck did it ever sell well?
>>741733423.
>$70>plus season pass tip>bundled with malwareFor a fucking kart racer.
>>741733423D/thread
>>741733423,
because sonic is retarded and the side characters are retarded. looks like the designs of a retarded child. only mentally disabled like the games. it's amazing they have tried making so many sonic games
>>741733423fippy bippy
>>741733423OP BTFO
>There is an interval of more than one minute between most of the repliesCurious...
Market is flooded with indie sidescrollers. Is hard to get noticed. I think a 3d Shinobi would've done better.
>>741734363Shhhh, don't ruin the screenshot!
>>741733031Frontiers and the remaster of Generations did really well actually
Fuck Sonic. If he bounced back from Sonic 06, he can bounce back from a kart racer. Who I'm really worried about is Jo Musashi. That nigga just came back from a 20 year hiatus. If AoV flops, it's lights out for ol' boy :(
>>741734006This, also no content and it's built for autists that spend more time building spread sheets than playing the game
>>741733031>>741733423Isn't Sonic a successful franchise?if Sonic games have been bad/mediocre for decades, then it should be dead by now.
>>741733562>Frontiers sold 4 millionI'm surprised they managed to trick so many people into buying it.
The most concerning part of this is that Team Sonic Racing, widely considered the worse game, has sold 3.5 million copies by now. This was over the course of over half a decade, sure, but not like the game ever got anywhere near the hype or discussion of CrossWorlds. Even if this game has some legs, the fact it's underselling in spite of being higher effort is an issue. TSR also didn't have any crossovers or serious post-launch updates like this game.
>>741734547Fans of old franchises are always like this: They ask for a new game but when the time comes to buy, they aren't there.
>>741733031the sonic devs are amongst the most fucking autistic and stupid devs out there. they know what we want yet refuse to do it, they think their stupid vision is more important but everything since sa2b has been ASS
>>741734703>Take a shit game>Make it open world>???>ProfitIt's that easy
>>741734950Funny that Mario Kart World also did poorly. It aren't even getting a DLC.
>>741734672Sonic is a successful MULTIMEDIA franchise.Sonic movies, toys, comics, porn, merch, cartoons are successful.So even if Sonic games are mediocre or don't sell well, Sonic can always fallback on the rest of the other revenue streams of the multimedia franchise.
>>741733031sonic racing is a mediocre conceptSonic is FASTER on foot than he is in sports cars (not just in lore, in games themselves too), he is literally less cool here than in other gamesalso sonic racing levels are always too wide and less interesting than mario kart or CTR
Jewslop
>>741734474This Shinobi incarnation was deemed by Sega as a complete failure. That's why they returned to the classic look and feel.
>>741735020It sold 14 million in its first year and still makes top seller charts every month. There have been several sales disappointments on the Switch 2, but Mario Kart is absolutely not one of them. Game has made plenty of bank of Nintendo.>It aren't even getting a DLC.Wouldn't count it out yet. Splatoon 3 took a year and a half to get its paid DLC released, New Horizons got a big final update around a year after the content drip-feeds paused, and several Switch 1 games in the past year have had new content added years after release. The odds are high that Nintendo will want to continue the open world gimmick with the DLC, which is going to balloon development time. Makes sense we won't hear anything until it's close to release.
I keep forgetting about the new Shinobi game. How is it
>>741735851mehplay Ninja Gaiden Ragebound instead
>>741735981I was interested in that one too but then lost interest when I saw they were doing some weird dual protag thing but not really and she is just a ghost or something. Gameplay looked so gimmicky it turned me off.
>>741733423Based Mario chad.
>>741733423at least sonic still gets games...
>>741733562frontiers only sold well because it was open world, that's it, the game is mediocre slop
>>741733031I'm not buying a kart racer for 60 bucks, even with miku. I really enjoyed the demo and am excited to buy it for 20 once the price goes down.
>>741733423ESL europoor
>>741733031WE'RE OLDFUCK
>>741733562How many were sold at 90% off?
shouldnt have been an 80$ game.
>>741736353It's hilarious that spyro and bubsy should be on the 2026 version. And why tf Mario dead bruh
>>741735287Looks like that didn't go so well for them.
I'm tired of seeing Sonic in a car.
>>741736353>Spyro is getting a new game next year>Bubsy got a new game last month and a collection last year>Mario got a new platformer less than three years ago, a new kart game last year, and a couple smaller releases this year>Sonic's last major new game was back in 2023, around the same time as MarioWhat's the point of this image?
>>741736768Nigga how is that ESL?
>>741734474Doubtful considering Ninja Gaiden 4 flopped too
>>741737453>What's the point of this image?Evidence of Sonicfags delusions.
>>741737453>>741737190mario isn't dead, there are 6 characters next to sonic but only 5 gravesmario just left for greener pastures>>741733562i do not believe this, no fucking way
>>741733423Mania and the original trilogy were good, fuck off.The rest, yeah, whatever.
Sega, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU PUT JOE MUSASHI IN CROSSWORLDS given both games released about the same time. It would have been free promotion for the game. Almost free sales. FREE MONEY. Joe was already in Transformed and he's wakeboarded several times, which would have been a perfect template for his extreme gear. It doesnt MAKE SENSE SEGA WHY DO YOU HATE YOUR OLD GAMES SO MUCH
Reminder that OP is a mentally ill tendie who makes Crossworlds threads on a daily basis to cope.>>741637761
Streets of Rage 4 was a fluke
>>741733031Sonic can't get carried by his own countryIn Japan, the big 3 for Sega are Persona, Yakuza, and Puyo PuyoThere's a huge part of the Sonic fanbase who only cares about the characters and the lore, so they read the comics, watch lore videos, or let's plays when a new game releases
>>741738592No, because Guardcrush helped out with the gameplay, whereas Shinobi was 100% Lizardcube, and they're only good at pretty graphics. It made sense for it to just be a meh game.
>>741738558>P-please stop making threads about Sega's own wordsThe absolute state of Sonic fags kek
Where's the Mario Kart World thread...
No one is going to buy sonic sloppa when Mario and Kirby got games in the same year.Also that shinobi game looks like an indie game, no one wants that shit except trannies like >>741738592
>>741733031>Shinobi floppedI shouldn't be surprised, but fuck
>>741735062God I want to sex Amy so hard. I need to ruin her pink hedgehog pussy.
>>741739058Big shame. It's not a bad game but it's quite underwhelming and it shouldn't have been such a wishy washy game, then maybe word of mouth could have boosted it a little, but I still remember arcade bros frothing at the mouth at the uber forgiving enemy design. Game had no business being a Metroidvania either, it adds nothing to it. Just a shame. Shinobi deserves so much better.
>>741735062>Amy foot onahole
I didn't buy Shinobi after I heard they removed contact damage
>>741733031idk man who could fucking trust SEGA after Sonic Origins and Sonic Colors Remastered?
man don't tell me they're gonna ice Shinobi again
>>741733031The Shinobi game looked cheap. I was semi-interested in the Dr. Eggman and Death Adder bosses, but the Eggman boss looked like flash game shit.
>>741738558Sonic fans have no business calling any Mario game mediocre. Not a single Sonic game is above mediocre in the entirety of his 35 year history.
>>741739020It didn’t undersell like crosseyed worlds.
>>741733031Shinobi was awesomethat sucks
Crossworlds was a waste of resources
>>741733423Fippy bippy
>>741733031>people aren't buying the game because it's overpriced and unfinished>let's make it more expensive and keep it unfinished for longer>wtf no one bought it??? maybe if we release a third season pass with pickle rick we can turn this thing around
>>741733031I will honest, with how much they tried to war against MKW I didn’t expect their game to be $70 + $30 day one expansion passAnd not only that, the courses are straight lines and almost all the collabs (the main focus of the game) are completely mute
>>741733423based marioro
Remember to point and laugh
>>741742123it's not only their fanshttps://youtu.be/BEXiFY6vcDI?si=ruH_ioXuqxrJqDJU
>>741733031>lets bring beloved Sega classic, turn into a beat em up instead of hack'n slash and force black culture in it>wtf why isnt it selling????
>>741733031It’s a dead Ip. Kids are more into Astro Bot these days.
I just don't think people care about Shinobi. The 3DS game was awesome and I'm pretty sure it flopped even harder.
>>741735851It's pretty good. One part near the end of the game is hilariously hard as fuck. The final boss is pretty meh.
>>741737453Mario's last major new game was almost a decade ago.
>>741733031>no saves>no upgrade paths>tries to resell the same shitty games 24 times with DEFINITIVE EDITIONS>somehow still treats Nintendo like shit in 2026 despite their games not selling on xbox and ps>terrible pricesI'm surprised their games sell at all. They're doing everything wrong and they're still just gonna change things to durrrrrrr maybe we need to hire more celebs to market our games
>>741742123Mario is mediocrity incarnate. The absolute best Mario games are barely on par with the mediocre Sonic games.
>>741745345Wonder was barely three years ago.
>>741745345Wonder came out not even 3 years ago
>>741743316It was my first 3ds game, I got it second hand for $10, I remember finishing it and liking it
>>741733423Super Mario? The strongest... But it is funny how Mario keeps beating Sonic at everything.
>>741733031sonic is a meme IP, sonichu and skits kept it relevant but the games have aged badly and it was never a particularly good game series.
Countless flops. The only sonic games I would genuinely consider good are S3&K, generations, and mania. The rest are rubbish. Just a countless stream of rubbish.Sega also seem more concerned with making movies and comics these days than platforming games, and for all their attempts at padding out boost gameplay, they’ve never once attempted to pad it out with 3D segments akin to the classic game’s gameplay. Also is it too much to ask for the fucking homing attack to fuck off already?
crossworlds DLC doesn't really bring much attention to the game
>>741745751Maybe if they at least voiced them…
>game industry kills couch coop>surprised that fighting games and racing games no longer sell well>game industry kills PC gaming>surprised that RTS games no longer sell well>turn every multiplayer game into a live service grindathon>surprised that MMOs no longer sell well and the barrier to entry for new multiplayer games has become harder to break
>>741742736>glazing over steam's shitty controllerHe's retarded to think it's better than any of the nintendo pro controllers
I don't think most of Sonic's appeal is actually based on the games.
>>741745751at good part of the picks are either "who" or "why"
>>741739690>Game had no business being a Metroidvania either, it adds nothing to it.Didn't it work for Strider?
>>741733031I was really excited for RCW after playing RT. All it took was 1 race in the demo to see that RCW failed to live up to RT in every way possible. It was a profound disappointment and they should be embarrassed.
>>741733031>Why doesn't Sonic sell well anymore?Because sega refuses to make a good quality sonic game. Right now they're too lazy to make a new game on sonic's anniversary year and rather make more weird collabs for their racing game that no one bought because they want crossworlds to be the next fortnite or something
>>741745829>Maybe if they at least voiced them…it's even weirder now after the chaotix thing.
>>741733031Nintendo really should have bought Sega and just made them a second studio that made nintendo only games and let them make third party stuff. Why didn't they? To throw money into the trash on their WIIU debacle. Which I'm sure Miyamoto was pushing for. What a massive fuck up. Anyway, Sega has mishandled the massive PR push Sonic was given by the movie and I'm damned sure their leadership are retarded. They had a Sonic 35 year anniversary and they couldn't get the movie actors together to make a short sonic birthday party scene. And release a sonic collection and have a sonic game ready to release.
>>741745524>>741745538>NSMB slop is now considered a major Mario titleFucking bleak
they could have at least announced a new collection for Sonic or something
>>741746460more collections?
>>741746334Nintendo couldn't afford Sega, and given how they're dropping the ball in so many different ways right now, thank god for that
>>741733423Mario eres muy basado
>>741746334>Nintendo really should have bought SegaYou mean, like, before the Sammy merger back in 2004?
>>741733031Problem was they released it at a full AAA price, shooting themselves in the foot. They thought Shadow Gens success gave them the pass to start charing the premium price. Although I do believe its worth the price tag if you really get invested in the game.
>>741746490if they want to do as little as possible. that's the easiest thing. we still don't have an advance / rush collection. things like chaotix and sonic the fighters are still kinda in limbo etc
>>741746334Sega Japan infamously never ‘got’ Sonic. They don’t understand what makes the character endearing. It was Sega of America that did most of the brand management.
>>741745415Cope, Sonic fags would kill for any of their games to be this good.
>>741746460>Classic Collection: Origins, Mania, Superstars>Modern Collection: Color Ultimate, Forces, FrontiersYou're getting this instead
>>741746835Try again later without making a journobrained post. Seriously, metacritic dude?
>>741746835SMB3 was outclassed by even the 8-bit Sonic 1, Mario World of course was outclassed by Sonic 1, and both of those 3D games are pure crap next to any 3D Sonic.
Why can't sega make a good racing game like a new Daytona or OutrunSonic driving a mario kart instead of just running fast is retarded
post some hot takes about the series
>>741747026Sonic is good
>>741746885send another database of userscore/critic score then. I use them on powerquery to make reports on this kind of cases, like it or not it is useful data.
>>741747026only great classic sonic is S3&K. Sonic 1 , 2 and CD are not that good
>>741747026A mediocre Sonic game is still better than the vast majority of games out thereSonic 1 is more fun than pretty much every other 16-bit platformer for instance
>>741747026Crossworlds is better than MK
>>741747114NTAIt's not useful data, it's useless data, you can draw absolutely no conclusions from nothing but the metacritic score for a game
>>741738102Almost 5 million, actually.
>>741747131No it isn't lol
>>741747212>More than Prime 4>More than DK Bananza
>>741747026How about a whole list of hot takes
>>741747196Are you retarded? metacritic sentiment and userscore is as useful as steam reviews, but you don't even know the difference between data and information, I bet you think they are both the same kek. I work as a data analyst, and no data is useless with the propper context, and in case you think that means "data manipulation" is not, read a book or don't talk about subjects you don't know.
>>741747114Journos are not useful data, quite the opposite actually, they are known to be consistently bad actors.
>>741746460yeah.>>741746790>we still don't have an advance / rush collection.probably never happening at this point.>chaotix and sonic the fighters are still kinda in limbothey could have dumped sonic the fighters on digital stores after that Honey art released but no
>>741747349>words words wordsAnd all you can do with it is "dis number bigger, dis game better!!!"Imbecile
>>741747295Sonic Frontiers is being sold for $10 little guy
>>741747212>Reload sold more than MetaphorJesus
>>741733423>tendie discord raid>seething at Sonic's mere existenceRent free
>>741747349Metacritic doesn't require proof of ownership and doesn't show playtime, making it effectively useless for any sort of honest data metrics. Steam is obviously far superior since it prioritizes first-hand experience and filters lazy shilling.
>>741746897>and both of those 3D games are pure crap next to any 3D Soniclmao sure, whatever helps you Sega widows sleep
>>741747404Shouldn't be shocking at all. Established IPs sell better than new ones
>>741747393>The cope begins
>>741747385
>>741747026I unironically think they should delete Amy and make Rouge his love interest
>>741747440If you said 64 or Sunshine then yeah, maybe they can stand up decently, but specifically Galaxy and Odyssey? Lol come the fuck on
>>741747295And less than Kirby while being multiplat kek.
>>741747446>we sold so many cheap games to indians and brazilians so why is Nintendo still making more money than us?
>>741747295DK Bananza couldn't even surpass Donkey Kong Country, which sold 9 million on the SNESRarechads won.
>>741747451You're either a massive newfag or just lack self-awareness if you thought literally anyone here would take journo reviews seriously.
>>741747123i thought about it and i think you are right
>>741747427If you are going to put on the table things we can not control on sentiment/scores, you must also say that steam as a data warehouse it's also useless, because a lot of people COULD "play" a game just to hate it and give a bad review. It's a calculated margin of error. It happens with movie critics/reviews too on IMDB. There is a limit on what you can check and what you believe to make an analysis.Also, must be stupid that 22k of users on metacritic write "i like botw" and all of them didn't play it, you can check the sales and make an hipotesis on what can be the truth and what not, etc.
>>741747576It hasn't been out for a year and it's a million away from outselling DK 64 tho.
>>741747579>journoi'm talking bout userscores, but if you can also use journo-data to compare it is good too just to make a point, if you have to.
>>741747530>why is one of the biggest video game companies on Earth making more money than a third party publisherNintendo can't even make half as much as Sony or Xbox in revenue, no wonder Nintendofags need to punch down
>>741747297Put CD in B rank, don't waste my time.
>>741747751Nah fuck that, CD is awesome.
>>741747645>>741747705The margin of "error" is minimized by ignoring journo shilling platforms that you personally want to shill because it personally aligns with your shill views, funny how that goes you stupid shill. Now fuck off.Funny that you mention IMDB since movie """user""" scores also vary wildly between websites, and you would know that if you actually gave a shit about movies which I do happen to care about and know how much that is also shilled to hell and back. I hate your stupid kind with every fiber of my being.
>selling $40 games for $70
>>741747735>revenue
>>741747297i've heard horror stories about the advance games constantly launching you into spikes
>>741746790At this point, sonic games like Adventure 1+2, Heroes, and the Advance trilogy have a better chance on getting added to Switch's NSO than Sega rereleasing it themselves.
>>741734006don't forget they didn't even finish the DLC who puts collab characters in with no voice acting?
>>741747735And yet Xbox and Playstation are the only ones closing several studios and losing literal hundreds of millions on failed live service games.Funny how that works.
>>741748009>And yet Xbox and Playstation are the only ones closing several studios and losing literal hundreds of millions on failed live service games.The fact that you don't think Nintendo does the same behind closed doors is embarrassing. You know, people in Japan will be shot if they mention they were let go by Happy Go Lucky Nintendo
>>741747826It's not a problem, that's why you date datasets from other websites and use all of them to make give a propper conclusion. Seriously, are you retarded?.And not, ignoring journalist criticism from journalist (or meta-score) doesn't change anything at all, you will just have a game with 75 metacritic score and perhaps 85 userscore, and you can make more analysis on that. I do not know what is your problem with those shills who live in your mind, i'm just talking about how the data analysis works and how every kind of data can be translated to information.
>>741738752>helpedThey handled the gameplay almost exclusively. Lizardcube was on art duty.
>>741748094Airight then, show me one studio Nintendo has closed, show me one Nintendo game that lost as much money as Concord.
>>741748094>The fact that [schizo babble]
>>741748096Your methodology is automatically bad and stupid since you picked it purely based on your personal biases, anything you cope about is just pure cope after being called out on your stupidity and there's no way to save face against me so don't bother.
>>741747131this is a cold take
>>741733031Sega hasn't been the "Sonic" company in ages. They should hand developement off to westerners, drop their stupid JAPANEEZU PURIDO and let americans dev a game or two. Look how popular Sonic roboblast kart was. Clearly fans are hitting on some shit that SEGA is missing because 'WESTERNU PIGGU SHAMEU".And before the sonic autists who still think sonic is good latch onto my post like aids ridden diaper rash babies that they are. I'm not suggesting we let some COD wiggers or stoners have it, im talkin about the fans themselves who do personal game dev.
>>741748191how can raw data be a personal bias, nigga this dude is stupid
>>741747026Sonic 06' was a good direction for the series narratively speaking but was poorly executed and/or rushed.
>>7417478861 has the fairest design, pretty much on par with the Genesis games.2 is basically proto-Rush and the level design is pretty samey, but it's still decently fun.3 is the one where the level design has a lot more cheap deaths in it.
>>741748219Sonic Team doesn't have a handle on the artistic sensibilities of 90's Sonic at all. They just don't get it. Fans are better at recreating it.
>>741747026If sega had any balls they'd make a game set in the Archie comics world with the characters from that.
>>741748219>Look how popular Sonic roboblast kart wasIt wasn't. You exist in a bubble.
>>741747297Shame to learn sonic boom had a game but was shit because the TV show was great/hilarious.
>>741748336That's called a sample size my guy. If thousands of sonic autists are willing to latch onto it, and love it, (which they did myself included) thats bigger than focus groups that these companies use to guage interest. Calling it a bubble is a easy conversational out and just dismisses any conversation on the idea without actual discussion.
>>741748171>>741748190@grok Did I not say the phrase "behind closed doors"? Guarantee some studios ended up getting assimilated into other ones, but I digress.
>>741747026Sonic 06 may be a shit game but it's more enjoyable to play than some of the current games.
>>741747026Homing attack is worse than boost
>>741746790That reminds me, the Advance trilogy was on WiiU VC, but only in Japan, which lead people back then to speculate if there were somehow rights issues involved with most of Sega's GBA games being handled outside of Japan by other publishers.
>>741747026Knuckles has ugly shoes
>>741747026The 3D games generally got a lot better from Unleashed onwards.
Sonic, Rayman, Crash, and Spyro all mog that stupid fat moustached fuck, and yet he persists while they collect dust. It’s not fair…
>>741748616I'll believe it when I see it. Not going to believe in some fanfic from a guy with an obvious hate bias towards the company
>>741746790What could they even sell as a collection?>Chaotix/Fighters/R/whatever other Classic Era odds and endsNormalfags never liked those games despite how much Sonic Fans glaze them.A collection of non-mainline titles will never sell that well.>SA1/SA2Giving those a lazy rerelease would be an optics nuke.>Advance/RushSega doesn't have the rights to sell those games outside of Japan.>Heroes/ShadowRenderware.>RivalsNever got a Japanese release, so Sega pretends they don't exist.>Storybook gamesThose were so shit even Sonic fans don't pretend they're good.
>>741733031>Shinobi underperformed Is Power Surge dead?
>>741748981it's because they don't actually. Every one of those characters has one maybe two games actually worth talking about.
Sonic will never be American
>>741749006>Advance/RushTHQ must die
>>741749062The quality of those good games is far above the derivative drivel that make up Mario games
>>741749072Americans made Sonic good. Accept it.
>>741749263except not really, no.
>>741747026There’s not a single good 3D Sonic
>>741739690Shinobi, Ragebound and NG4 games wrre all good, the issue is that the audience is simply not interested. The target audience is lower than expected.
>>741733031Because retarded suits and developers won't make anything that was good about it. Adventure gameplay should've never been replaced for starters and 06 would've been a step forward.
>>741748998>Hate bias when I merely stated Nintendo behaves just like any other billion-dollar companyYou tendies are sensitive.
Sonic was never good.
>>741748616Oh please explain how they'd even do that, I'd love to hear your fanfic
>>741733423BAAAAASED
>>741733031Because it's just a Mario Kart clone.
>>741749838maybe Mario Kart should try cloning some DLC
>>741749890Unlike Sonic, Mario Kart World is a finished game
>>741750062yeah everyone "finished" it so now you're stuck talking about crossworlds on /v/ for the next two years
>>741750121Why is that general on /v/ instead of /vg/?
>>741750062Nooo you don't get it games need fomo events and shitty collabs with no voice acting to stay relevant
>>741749838>can't have a thread of his own so he tries to shill in unrelated threads
>>741750184dw mario can still stay relevant with those baby illumination movies
>>741749636>"Nintendo is closing down several studios and losing hundreds of millions just like everyone else! I don't have proof they're doing it but they might be...because I said so!"Stop embarrassing yourself, little bro
>>741750247Not even some 15 minute segment in that illumination movie purely dedicated to shilling MKW was enough to make it relevant, that's how you know you failed as a corporation.
>>741750201this is his thread, sonic seethe threads are the only way mario is a topic in 2026
mario derangement syndrome
>>741747026In an ideal world the effect it has on the autistic would be studied and the franchise itself classified as a cognitohazard
>>741749890Yeah, MKW should "clone" some DLCs like the booster pass from MK8 instead of whatever the hell sega is doing for crossworlds lol
>>741750669Why should MKW or any game clone a literal asset flip from a mobile game?
>>741750815Still better than Sonic slop
>>741747026Sonic's narrative is always really trite and uninteresting stock videogame shit and the only pieces of it I enjoy are Gamma's story and Sonic Battle's story, which is the one time the series has actually felt unabashedly shonen. I don't know what the people who say SA1/2 are like a shonen anime are fucking smoking, it's just stock vidya story beats, Sonic snd Shadow having a designated rivalry doesn't cut it. Maybe Blaze's character arc in Rush but that's a stretch too. That being said yeah, the modern games have even worse stories. They're just embarrassing design by committee crap.
Kart racing games are just ass now. MKW is awful and so is Crosswinds. Both developers are just lazy as fuck. I could list dozens of things about both games that make them lazy cashgrabs. MK8 Deluxe is infinitely better than both. Or go play Diddy Kong racing if you want to play a truly perfect kart racer
>>741751034At least spread out your stupid shill posts so we can't tell it's all just one retarded shill, your tendie spam is always so embarrassing.
>>741746835nahSonic 3 & K shits all over Mario World and Mario 3 by extension.I don't think 2D Mario can really compete with 2D sonic when it's not being experimental.
>>741751054Sonic's problem is that it always tries too hard to be le deep multiperspective narrative, look at Shadow the Hedgehog. It just comes off as very random and unfocused so people can never agree on what's good or not.
>>741751103>Diddy Kong racingHorrible n64-kid-stockholme-syndrome game, opinion discarded.
>>741751103>>741751321Isnt it kind of coincidental how in diddy kong racing and most video games, pigs are evil?
"Sales have fallen short of expectation" doesn't mean the game failed btw. Obviously or they wouldn't keep dropping DLC. Sega always says this because they're whiny bitches, then a year later we get "oh btw that game sold 4 million copies lol"
>>741751553Sonic games are low quality AND they don't sell lol
>>741751268People like some moments of Shado5's story like him telling Sonic he doesn't like him but at the end of the day they don't matter because most of them aren't canon and they are embarrassingly terribly executed. The canon ending has Gerald and GUN washing their hands off their past crimes whilst giving Shadow a big bad black alien to heroically punch. "Hero or Villain" my ass he's a golden hero boy they call an antihero cuz it sounds cool.
>>741751553They have this retarded notion that if Nintendo releases a big exclusive game like Mario Kart World (14.70 million sold in 9 months) then if they make a knockoff sonic the hedge hog version of it for multiple platforms it will sell wellThey tried this with Mario Wonder/Sonic Superstars too and of course that also flopped. Sega needs to learn the last thing they need is 1:1 comparisons with Mario because they'll lose everytime,
>>741734773the nintendo playbook.
>>741750062>finished>with only a tenth of the characters, maps, and content lf Mario Kart 8Holy cope
>>741733562Team Sonic Racing sold surprisingly well in their documents, despite it being dogshit where you could fall asleep and wake up still on the track
>>741751553>TSR was a disaster at SEGA>Look inside years later>4 Million salesclown world
>>741752054>floppedsuperstars is another example of sega bitching it didnt sell until they had to admit it sold three million copies
Why do we need to celebrate sonic’s birthday every 5 years like it something special? The stupid blue has had more birthdays than good games at this point. That’s not exactly worth celebrating.
>>741750062no it isn't, why lie? we already know they're going to add more donkey kong characters later.
>sonic the hedge hog>The stupid blue
>>741733682so he can be on an even playing field with everyone
lol hard trvkes make you seethe little baby?
>>741752327Because they're using Nintendo as a measuring stick. They see Mario Wonder sell 18 million copies at $60 each and then wonder why Sonic Superstars barely hits 3 million when it's in the bargain bin for $15Copies sold as a metric is completely worthless for success of a game and is only trotted out to trick retarded shareholders because number = big when they're actually barely breaking even due to how low its priced
>>741752439tendies are devolving
are servers down?
>>7417384641. He's not Sonic team's baby unlike say, NiGHTS2. Shinobi is insanely niche and isn't a flagship SEGA (owned) series like Persona, Yakuza, Puyo Puyo, and yes Angry Birds3. The Mega Drive flopped in Japan so as a result, most of the iconic IPs associated with SEGA in Japan are from Saturn to Dreamcast
>>741752628only in third world countries like brazil
>>741752628>until midnight ETwhen the fuck is that
>>741733423The last 3 Mario games were worse than the last 3 sonics.
>>741753720No game is worse than Sonic Rumble
I wholeheartedly believe Sonic Racing Crossworlds under performed entirely because of the character and track roster. The Sonic and Sega fans who play these games, myself included, basically want them to basically be like Smash Bros. and have a huge lineup of characters that go beyond the small handful of characters that everyone knows. The previous Sonic & Sega All-Stars games succeeded at this, and were also just better playing games too. Meanwhile this new game, and the previous entry that nobody cared about, focused entirely on Sonic only while not even providing a satisfying list of characters and stages from Sonic's vast history of games and other media. Instead they only choose to pull from games like Colors, Lost World, and Forces for the millionth time. For some reason Sega still hasn't received the memo that nobody gives a shit about any of these games or their characters and locations. I think it's fine for the game to mainly be Sonic but if you're going to do that you have to dig a little deeper than this. The DLC is also flat out fucking absurd, the actual Sega characters are nice and fit in just fine but why the fuck are Spongebob and other Nick characters here? Why is Minecraft here? Megaman and Pacman are fine but they're not Sega. The actual release of the DLC has also been handled pretty poorly as well, the characters and tracks are finished months in advance and you can even see them there in game but you're just not allowed to play any of it until an arbitrary date. Why? The die-hard Sega and Sonic fans are the only ones keeping Sega alive at this point so they should just start catering to them directly instead of trying to have this broad appeal since that clearly isn't working.
>>741754492Complete nonsense postCrossworlds has a ton of characters who never appeared in any other Sonic or Sega racing game
>>741754492>why the fuck are Spongebob and other Nick characters here? Why is Minecraft here?it's not really a secret
Sonic has no identity and is a zombie franchise puppeted by clueless execs increasingly diluting and mutilating their own brand in multiple failed attempts to chase younger audiences who smell weakness and are instantly put off
How are Sonic fans so autistic and delusional that they think any Sonic game even comes close to a Mario platformer or kart racer? lol It’s not the 90’s anymore. The winner was already determined to be Mario. The consensus is overwhelming. Mario is faster and Sonic ends up being a roller coaster you watch.
>>741755183it's easy to go faster on straight roads
>>741755183Mario is still alive and still shit like he always was. Sonic may be dead, but at least Sonic was good once.
I dunno about all that but Shadow/Maria is the best ship.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5QSLbrx1q8
new miku song in the new album
>>741745302What part are you talking about
>>741755263Mario has always been good. Sonic has never been good.
>>741736353Why did Nintendo let this happen
>>741754492I don't think it under-performed I think it just undersold.Like, the game had high reviews and high praise by everyone who played it. I think the larger issue is that they seemed to plan the game for a much longer lifespan than it's gameplay loop can keep up.It has the seasonal pass treatment but the expansions don't change gameplay nearly enough and it gets stale. Specially since the gear mechanic is quite unbalanced and for a long time it encouraged the use of trhe same builds.It's also quite unfair to compare it to Mario Kart World because MK is a system seller. Like it's carrying the weight of the Switch 2 launch with it, to the point where they're sold together. A lot of people buy it to justify buying the switch 2 and vice versa. Whereas Sonic Crossworld is mainly appealing to Sonic Fans which is a much more narrow scope.Not sure how Sonic Crossworlds is played now or if they have adressed that. But unless there's a big push I don't see it raking many sales. At this point entering the online is daunting because the people left are really good at the game and the robust single player content isn't as robust in modern games
>>741755368Mario is awful and he killed gaming
>>741755216But enough about Crossworlds
Boomers are still fighting over Mario vs Sonic huh?
>>741733031>Why doesn't Sonic sell well anymore?chris-chan
>>741753720>MKW>CW>Wonder>Superstars>Odyssey/Bananza>FrontiersNo?
>>741757079Bananza sold worse.
>>741757179Bananza hasn't even been out for a year and it's already very close and it's exclusive to a relatively new console, it'll blow the fuck out of Frontiers when all is said and done.
>>741733031It's quite the miracle in the first place that Sonic has survived 35 years without a single good videogame. Not even FIFA can say that.
>Persona 5/Royal has outsold every Sonic game but Sonic 1Joker is the real face of Sega
>>741757885worked for pokemon
