New game is coming out hopefully this isn't a dud that kills the franchisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6oWkjAmMAE
It won't be, because the franchise died years ago
I'm happy they actually managed to scrounge up enough money for that
It's dead jim
>>741757302Alternative was okayish, but a bit too yapping heavy.
That shot of the moon reminds me of one of the screenshots for Muv Luv IntegrateMakes me wonder if the two will have any connection once that releases 30 years from now
>>741757302>Curious because "tactics", so Anon gets me to look into game>Steam has a Muv-Luv bundle that's 200 fucking dollarsWhat the fuck warrants that? Is this shit mega popular or something? I only remember as an obscure shitty manga from twenty years ago.
>>741757302Yeah bro more NTR KINO!!!
>>741757954Muv-Luv has a niche but dedicated audience; it scratches that political/mecha thriller itch outside UC Gundam. It's horribly mismanaged as a franchise, though. You only really need Muv-Luv, Ultimate, and the alternative; the rest is mostly fan service.
>>741757302No gore, no porn?
This garbage cuckshit franchise should die. Utter trash, enjoy your twizzlers.
>>741757954There's a fairly large amount of Muv-Luv VNs on Steam, and VNs are niche to the point they have to sell alot, though they have sales quite often. Quite normal for VN prices.
The best muv luv game is a fucking chink mods for rai7.
>>741758760Fucking hell, VN shitters are really in a fucking hole. And I thought I had it bad being into racing games.
>king america is backWell, well. >>741757954Lots of shit VNs so shit nobody ever bothered to translate them.
>approximately 7-10 hours of good content in a 60 hour VN>terrible MC and endingHow did weebs convince the world that MLA was an untouchable, pinnacle of the medium 10/10 for so many years?
>>741757302How do I get into muvluv? are the steam ports too fucked to bother with?
>>741758943It legitimately was. >>741758970Same as anything else: pirate the shit and install a translation patch.
>>741758983>it legitimately wasOnly if you have stockholm syndrome, I usually liked slower paced narratives but the script is disgustingly bloated and repetitive
>>741758970Steam ports are fine, if you care for 18+ content there are patches. You read in order, easy. If you're struggling to know the specifics to go through, there is a list.
overrated tentacle porn jap nationalism shit, unlike modern type moon slop it'll never have mass appeal.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4372780/MuvLuv_Tactics_Kalidasa_at_Nightmare/you have my attention
>>741758970Just start with the mainline games, Muv Luv and Ultimate are bundled together, and Alternative is all you need. Be warned, Muv Luv will feel like a slog if you're expecting mecha action from the get-go, since the first part is very early 2000s anime high school harem antics for the first 5-10 hours before you get into Ultimate and things get more serious and the real story begins. The first part will come up again in Alternative, but don't worry about it too much.
>>741759090I think this might be out of date. I definitely didn't do Meiya/Sumika's route before going into Ultimate and did Ayamine's instead, at least on the Steam release.
I'm cautiously optimistic. Wish they made more VNs though, TDA's story is unfinished and ends on a fucking cliffhanger
>>741757302Lmao, I have higher expectations from Taimanin than Muv Luv at this point
>>741759334Oh it's definitely out of date, it even mentions the 'upcoming simulcast' of TE. The graph on the right about play order is still pretty concrete though.
>>741759130>Kalidasa at NightmareRetarded nips
>>741757302This game looks pretty good
>>741759130>preset squadMy interest has evaporated. It worked for Power DoLLS, but it looks like Power DoLLS is more autistic than this.
>>741757302Did yakuza finally released my dude from hostage?
>>741759147>since the first part is very early 2000s anime high school harem antics for the first 5-10 hoursI'll have you know it took me 36 hours to finish Extra and I didn't even want to move on to Unlimited because I liked everyone just the way they were
>>741757302>hopefully this isn't a dud that kills the franchiseit really should just die
>>741760053Shut your whore mouth. Muv-Luv will struggle forward through all despair and break free into a bright new future.
I don't care for the sci fi and pol stuff. Can I just read the moege and rom com parts of the series?
>>741760053Some series just refuse to die.Also Schwarzesmarken release in Steam when? It's been ages since Greenlight approval.
>>741760097please read anything else
>>741760138I finished Les Miserables earlier today, wanna talk about it?
>>741760117You can!
>>741760117Sure, why notConveniently for you all of that is concentrated in the very first game
>>741760117>>741760252And also KimiNozo
>>741760117Yes, Extra works on its own. It's genuinely not worth getting into for the alien invasion vs mech aspects, that stuff is backloaded towards the end of the story and only 1 of the three battles are any good
>>741757302Was the gacha successful? They actually scrounged enough money for a proper game.
>>741760470No. Twice.
>>741760470Girl's Garden has been doing fairly well from what I understand, but also the IP was bought by new publisher
>>741757302They already killed the franchise by sanitising the fuck out of it ever since TDA2.
>>741757302>>741759130Damn bruh, that's just mecharashi
>>741757302arent there only like 5 different aliens?
>>741760912From the VNs I remember:Soldier ClassTank ClassGrappler ClassDestroyer ClassLaser ClassHeavy Laser ClassFortress Class
>>741760319Now they tell me. I got into it cause the BETA looked cool and had to wade through so much non-BETA stuff first. At least it had some good SOL moments.
>>741759130So they're going full on Gunparade March knock-off now? Shame they couldn't clone the coding system, and giving swords durability? Fuck off.
luv me Chewiesimple as
>>741758943>terrible MCFiltered, Takeru is great.
>>741760987so most maps will be fighting the same 3 or 4 aliens who use the same strategies each time I assume. sounds thrilling
>>741761147It's not like Muv-Luv doesn't have humans fighting each other just as much as the BETA
Everyone please buy this shit so Resonative,Duty: Lost Arcadia and Integrate get made
>>741761843>IntegrateIts gone...
>>741761874WE ARE STILL ON THE ROAD TO INTEGRATE
FYI, this game failed to meet is kickstarter goal and is full of AI generated assets
>>741761123Even after having 10,000 pages worth of monologues where he keeps promising that he'll stop being a whiny loser and having every girl in a 50 mile radius figuratively and literally suck his cock about how awesome and amazing he is, he's so fucking shit and useless that his squad has to collectively lie to him (so much about being a leader lmao) about their inevitable deaths in their very obvious suicide mission because they (correctly) understand that he will shit and piss himself and ruin humanity's one last shot of survival if things go wrong. Seriously why the fuck is he even there in the Final Hive? All that dialogue and """"character development"""" to end up being a useless cunt to the end? I actually tolerated, maybe even liked his character pre Chapter 7, but he somehow became significantly more annoying after his big character development moment. Holy SHIT he never shuts the fuck up, it is insane how repetitive his dialogue becomes
>>741762097>the guy narrating the story never shuts upIndeed! What a bastard.
>>741761908So there’s hope?
>AI generated artno ty
>>741762668Kiminozo enhanced was step 1. We cleared it. Tactics is step 2. We're clearing it in 2027. Of course there's hope!
>>741757302I'm surprised this is coming out at all it seemed dead in the water for a bit?The trailer was actually good for once, I hope there's a miracle and it sells well so Muvluv can make a return.
>>741762669>AI generated artpre-ordering rn
>>741762669>>741763046Egads! When will these shitters get cancelled?
>>741757302Why is the main girl brown?
>>741763235Gyaru
>>741758943The whole VN is pretty great actually and the MC is perfect for the story it is.
>>741763046>>741762669lolhonestly why even bother making AIslop for generic units that aren't main characters... if you're gonna use slop to cut costs use it in places where it's not too obvious, or you're just taking a big popularity debuff for no reason, it's hard enough to get people to give a shit about muvluv as it is.
>>741763580the old guard of muv luv loves AI because they have no money to hire artists and they're 55+ year old men, this game is made by that old guard.Ironically, the only modern muv luv game that actually generates money, the cashgrab porn gacha made by a third party is strictly anti-ai.
>>741763235Say what you want, but Muv Luv follows in the footsteps of Gundam in that it has quite a bit of cultural diversity throughout its setting. Schwarzesmarken had a Vietnamese girl on the team. Total Eclipse had a Nepalese girl, and the MC was a Hapa, alongside others from all over the world as part of the UN forces integrated into state militaries.
>>741763786>pornDoes girl's garden have h-scenes too? Did they do new ones with the original heroines for the Alt collab?
>>741763841yes, yes.they did H scenes for the TE girls last month too.
>>741757302It actually looks better than I thought it would.
>>741763861is there uuh anywhere that collects these
>>741763927You pay! You for gacha rolls now!
>>741763927sadpanda, artwork only though.The game is giga jewish too, they literally have some sex scenes you can only get by buying 30+ bucks currency packs
>>741764063I'm guessing they didn't get the scenes to be fully voiced right? Especially with high profile VAs like Stella's.
>>741764093they recast every single voice actorI would be upset but they ran out of money to cast the original voice actors years ago, last non-h gacha recast them all too.
>>741764093I saw this pic of Stella on /a/
>>741764121Weird, on their twitter clips at least the VAs sound the same to me
>>741762380Never shuts up about the same topic*. Instead of monoguing to every girl unfortunate enough to be alone in his immediate vicinity about muh resolve and muh reason for fighting for the nth time, how about talk about literally anything else. Could be anything, ANYTHING else. Remember Sumika? Writers sure as fuck didn't, for being the major thematic core of the story (on paper) she does fuck all after becoming unveggied outside of the hilariously awful and out of place tentacle rape drama. Sumika was my favorite heroine in Extra and it was amazing seeing her in Chapter 7, but the 00-Unit was such a disappointing nothingburger
i'm surprised cookie is in it
>>741764175Can't kill a cockroach.
>>741757302What's the appeal, insects raping women?
>>741764159well they're doing impressions.
>>741764236It's just peak fiction, okay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xAkddRulMs
>>741764175he got fired off it for like a year and was replaced by the MLA anime writer but now they fired that guy too and he's back
>>741757302This IP's still alive? Didn't it self-destruct from a horribly failed gacha game like a decade ago? Or am I thinking of something else?
>>741764512Muv Luv has suffered an unparalled decade of humiliation that is hard to put into perspective so I will try to do it in the shortest way I can:The Gacha game you mentioned was the first out of five.
>>741760729>MecharashiWhich basically was stealing from Front Mission essentially, which is Japanese.
>>741764512Muv-Luv had multiple failed gachas but now it has one that's raking in the cash, then the IP was sold to a new owner with a clear interest in getting more out of it
>>741762669>>741763046I do not mind honestly. I am going to get it myself. It's AI Assisted not AI made.
>>741764572Isen't there one that is trying to do the whole Loli thing now with 18+ scenes? What was it? Muv-Luv Garden?
>>741764692girls garden has like 1 actual loli character because DMM lives in constant fear of credit card companies, but yes, it's a blatant fucking blue archive ripoff
>>741760128You never read muvluv
>>741757302No BETA rape, no buy
>>741757302Sceptical, yet interested.
>>741764553but Mecharashi is Front Mission. It's a direct sequel/spin-off before SE jumped out of the board.
>>741764236That's just one scene in alternative and frankly just feels forced especially since it comes out of nowhere and is never brought up again in any other series
>>741764775Sure, anon.
>>741764572>then the IP was sold to a new ownerAgain?
>>741764947Yes, and thank god because the new owner is actually doing something with it other than just gachas
>>741757302I only know about this Muv Luv thing through mind control/NTR doujinshi. Well, and the fact that as far as I understand it for some reason utilizes characters from Kimi ga Nozomu Eien in its setting. What I'm saying is - I won't be playing this shit,, but I do hope it leads to more porn of it being made.
>>741760128>Also Schwarzesmarken release in Steam when?Surely it's just around the corner!
>>741765040>or some reason utilizes characters from Kimi ga Nozomu Eien in its setting.That reason is that they're made by the same company and Muv-Luv starts off with characters who go to the same school the KimiNozo cast went to>>741765064It better be!
>>741764512Arguably, despite how flawed the Alternative anime adaptation was, I think it did bring Muv Luv back into public consciousness and probably helped bring in some cash
Did KimiNozo ever get translated?
>first 2 browser games flopped fast>fucked up mikhail hard (how the fuck??)>dimensions speedruns its death, revives but flops hard>but they fluked with girls gaiden, its a big success for a fanza gachamaybe there is non zero chance they don't fuck up tactics and it turns out good? cover girl at least deserves a finished game but still 0 faith in anchor until i see the demo
Would Muvluv have thrived if it didn't blindly try to emulate Fate?
>>741765198It's on Steam right now bro
>>741765040But the mind control NTR is in the source material as well anon!>>741765198Yeah and I think there was recently a fan patch restoring all cut content which I never dreamed would happen.
>>741760128only secondaries care about shitsmarken
>>741765214You can say this about almost every big old VN devfuck FGO
>>741765214The downfall of Muv-Luv can be laid down squarely at the feet of the plagiarist artist they had to fire during the production of Total Eclipse. Their VNs cost so much to make and so niche that a huge production fuck-up like that simply killed the company, they were always on a knife's edge.
>>741765251It's not FGO's fault everyone tried to follow the leader. Type-Moon can't be held responsible for other companies' decisions.
>>741765231Right.
>>741764947in 2017 it was bought by Avex, like 5 months ago it was bought by DMM who publishes the new gacha game but they haven't actually announced it yet, nerds checked the adress on the legal documents that are public and the buyer is literally DMM HQ.
>>741765231Just give it to me already, I pay good price
>>741757302Is this franchise good if I’m not a waifushitter?
>>741765321I never read Schwarz but I've always found her to be insanely hot Did she ever get official porn?
>>741765261The passage of time hasn't been kind to VNs in general.
>>741765385>Did she ever get official porn?IIRC one of gachas had itMight check sadpanda for that
>>741765208>maybe there is non zero chance they don't fuck up tactics and it turns out good?No because this is a legacy project started by the old guard under Avex and dmm is just pushing it out because it would be financially retarded not toAfter this shit debuts to 300 players on steam expect Anchor staff to never touch the IP againThis game is literally made by the Mikhail team btw
>>741765261What did he plagiarize?
>>741765367If you like UC Gundam, you'll find a lot to like here with the military ops/political thriller stuff. That being said there is a lot of waifu baiting in the franchise on top of that.
>>741765314They didn't just ruin Fate, but consequentially ruined the whole market. I do hold them responsible and sincerely hope every fucker employed there gets cancer that is inheritable for the next four generations. Evil motherfuckers.
>>741765367That depends on how much you like mechs, politics and bantz
>>741765430He traced other artists' work, so he got fired and everything he'd done got scrapped, development had to start again from scratch as far as the assets were concerned.
>>741765445Your rage is misplaced. You can't attribute the fall of the market on one company. Fate/stay night wasn't even the highest-grossing VN ever made. It had influence, but it's absurd to blame them.You seem to believe that had Fate, FGO and Type-Moon not existed, the VN market would be thriving today.
>>741764932holy autism
>>741765314going by that logic I can't blame chatgpt for my ram being 500 bucks
Wtf I love jeetas now
>>741765543Chat GPT is directly eating up all the RAM, alongside all the other AI stuff. Fate isn't exactly devouring all the market share for VNs.
>>741765558What's her name?
>>741765456I'll be honest, Muv Luv has some of my favorite mech designs and development histories outside of Gundam, especially those chunky soviet designs >>741765214I feel like they should have licensed out to the growing indie market in the 2010s to get some quick cash and maybe get some gems on the side. For all its faults, it worked well enough for Games Workshop.
>>741765601I assume she's the titular Kalisada but idk
>>741765486Damn. I liked Total Eclipse, but it was very obviously unfinished.
>>741765627I think Muv Luv is a bit too niche for that. It had a dedicated fanbase, but I don't think diversifying the IP would have saved them. It looks like the damage from Total Eclipse's development was too great. The gacha was probably more of a desperate all-or-nothing gamble, a last-ditch effort to salvage things.
>>741765735I think people forget how niche Warhammer was, since it is so popular now, but back in the mid-2000s, most people found out about it by playing games like Dawn of War or other little AA/indie games that came out after, before diving into the source material. There were a lot of shit games that came out, but a few stood out and generated word of mouth beyond that core group. Something fun and cheap, like Cavalry Girls, would have probably sold well enough to help keep them relevant.
>>741764932Why did you ask chatgpt to generate you that. Very low brow for a pmkek
>>741766083I think you're just biased.Chill out.
>>741765969I dunno. I think the reason they gambled on the gacha was precisely because they had no other means of turning things around. If the gacha was successful, it would have made at least enough money to save the company in one fell swoop. Your idea might have worked IF the Total Eclipse debacle hadn't happened.
If all the people that read Muv-Luv had actually paid for it, the series would still be alive. It's time to accept that 4chan is partly responsible for killing it.
>>741766286no they would have just fucked up even harderWe gave them a million dollar kickstarter and they turned it into "lets sell the entire company to Avex because they offered after seeing the million dollar kickstarter"
>AI artwell at least they'll pass the savings onto the consumer, right? thats the point of AI isnt it, I havent checked
>>741765414sauce?
>>741766403Pretty sure the point of AI art is to get art.
>>741766286VNs have been losing sales ever since the mid 00s.
>>741766286I've bought all of their games off of Steam and supported the Tactics crowdfunding campaign, don't blame me when I'm their biggest shill
>>741766532We already have humans for that if thats the only purpose
>>741766403nobody wanted this game manIt hit 60% of its crowdfunding goal and then they decided to make it anyway.
>>741763861>>741763841>>741763927Wait so the protagonist of the gacha game fuck the main girls from other series? Holy shit are we ntring muvluv MC?
>>741766581I guess that's a matter of personal preferences then. I think it's dumb to pay a generic guy to make some pictures which only purpose is to be generic, but it should stop you from doing that the next time you have the chance.
>>741766713no the MC of the games gets teleported to GG too and all the sex scenes are him fucking his girls
>>741766736oh.Is Beatrix there?
>>741757764>a bit too yapping heavyI quit at a point where i realised every single line of dialogue was being rephrased & repeated by the MC's internal monologue and i just couldn't deal with the extraneous text anymoreIt's a real problem where there's so much pointless text, conversations that go nowhere, flashbacks to things that just happened, explanations of things that do not need explanation etc. that you get trained to not even read the words fully. Then when something does happen you don't even notice it immediately, you gradually realise it happened and it loses impactMuv-Luv Extra is the only one that's even close to being okay because it doesn't do this so muchAnyway, i hope their gay little tactics game fails
what type of SRPG is it though?maybe they'll touch up the slop if enough paying customers complain
>>741766772not yet but the game isn't even a year old and they already did MLA and TE so SM should be like 4 months from nowmilk milk milk
>>741766935Noice.Now I just need to find the voiced one without playing nor paying.
>>741757302As a fan of tactics games I want to see deep customisation and a focus on positioning, not characters firing screen clearing ults like a shitty gacha game.
>>741762380I don't narrate things in my head.
>>741767641>NPC has no internal monologue
>>741758919It sucks.The market was oversaturated in Japan like two decades ago, a lot of the old companies folded, got brought out, or merged, some that didn't figure out how to make money are in debt and push out overpriced low effort broken dogshit remakes (MAGES).Western releases are expensive because they have to make back the cost of the license + translation with a low volume of sales, people pirate visual novels because they are too expensive, because of shit translations/ports, because they aren't on steam, visual novels can't be sold on steam because they get rejected for no reason, but steam is the only place people buy games from so companies still have to waste time and money on steam sanitized versions knowing it will be rejected, stuff on steam is still expensive because all the above + 30% cut, so people pirate visual novels because ... etc., etc.GOG is selective with what they accept because unlike steam all the backend stuff isn't automatic, after the review and QA process a GOG employee still has to manually "wire stuff up" so the game is available to buy, this is probably partially automated now, surely...JAST is pretty good, they allow 3rd parties and also have regional pricing.MangaGamer haven't updated their store in 20 years so they don't have regional pricing.DLsite is too hard for retards, you need a JP VPN + the Visa/Mastercard shit means you can't pay directly and need to first buy DLsite points.Johren is the fucking worst, credit system like DLsite, but sometimes it rejects payments so you have to go offsite to get credits, some regions can't buy credits from that other site, also has awful DRM on premium games.Activation code which can be used 3 times, hardware upgrades and OS updates like 10 to 11 require you to reactivate the game, you need to manually launch the game exe with /revoke before you enter the code again or you PERMANENTLY lose an activation, if you wipe your drive GONE, support says make new account and buy again.
>>741757302Looks kino, always wanted a tactics game in this world, plus it's not grid based.
>>741765426>This game is literally made by the Mikhail team btwowari dagame just becomes how to not make a mecha srpg instead
>>741757954>>741758760>>741758919>>741768034muvluv in particular is a shitshow of ownership rights with their new owner going full greed iircyes i said "new owner" because from what i remember the actual creator got scammed into handing over the rights for the entire fucking thing for the PROMISE of an anime, spoilers: he got fucked over
>>741768402That new owner has now been replaced by DMM
>>741757302Damn, now I have to actually read this.
>>741768470Read what? There's like a gazillion of these VNs
>>741768034>but steam is the only place people buy games fromYou forgot the JP switch eshop, which ironically is the only reason a lot of VNs are even alive right now.Also this problem is why so many started to straight up just make their releases japan only with no translations, even on DLsite and johren.
Posting some TSF development history since I enjoy that brand of autism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9zN02vNLW8
>>741768402that owner sold them after 8 years of losing money rofl
>>741768458>>741768771lmao looks like im really late to the party
>>741757302All i know about muv luv is that it is an unironic "it gets good 50 hours in bro" which is when i decided jt just wasn't for me.
>>74176917850 hours is how long the original game is though?
>>741768505what about tldr version?
>>741769246game is supposed to be like 70 hours. 50 is sol bullshit, 10 are set up for the end and the last 10 are supposed to be good. Meaning im not gonna find out because fuck you if you think il sitting through 80 hours of sol shit
When the fuck are the Japanese releasing GG globally? I've been waiting for 2 years now come the fuck ooooooooooooooooooooooooon
>>741758062Don't forget their original characters from the previous vn
>>741769548>he thinks he's still going to have global japanese game releaseslearn japanese and learn to larp as a japanese buyer
>>741769654Japs can release the game without steam's help. Just make a global DMM client ffs.
>>741765231The first one was great tho
>>741769803nah fuck that, westoids deserve nothinglearn japanese and buy from JP storefronts or get fucked, otaku media going mainstream was a mistake
>>741769803you're not going to get a Japanese company to code a global version of their game player for 1 fucking gamebest you will get is a port of the phone versions which means you will never get the porn
>>741769872>learn japanese and buy from JP storefronts or get fuckedand what, let Japanese IPs die and wither like docomo flip phones? Gooks were able to skirt around stupid retarded restrictions. Why can't they?
>>741757302Can we PLEASE get damn Schwarzesmarken translated??? It's been FOREVER!
>>741769803That what Johren was supposed to be, it was such a botched launch though that not even DMM remember they created it.
>>741769984>and what, let Japanese IPs die and wither like docomo flip phones?Ironically enough IPs have started to thrive again once they go japan-only again with zero westoid pandering.>Gooks were able to skirt around stupid retarded restrictions. Gooks are literally weaponized useful idiots they are trying to use to displace JP media, are you fucking retarded or something? Of course they are going to let gooks get away with literal uncensored porn and more.
>>741770106>Ironically enough IPs have started to thrive again once they go japan-only again with zero westoid pandering.They can release Japanese IPs with zero westoid pandering and be successful. I think they should've noticed that by now but for some reason they haven't yet.
>>741770206due to payment processors and chink investors a lot haven't been able to lol
>>741770206*They can release Japanese IPs globally
>>741770206>They can release Japanese IPs with zero westoid pandering and be successful.they can, they have>>741770248just don't expect them to release outside japanonce again i repeat the exact same shit: learn japanese or get left behind
>>741770246Chinks can live off without visa mastercard because of alipay. I wish JCB has an "anonymous" payment system like what Alipay has.
>>741769274The manga version is the shortest.
>>741770056Can we please not, the animu adaptation was so horrible it turned me off the franchise completely.It's been a decade and I'm still seething at the fact that I'm sharing a planet with the psychopathic hacks and charlatans who made that flaming piece of shit. In fact, the only reason I even clicked on this thread was to voice my enduring hatred for SM, and it's all in vain because I will never be able to vent it all. I will never not be mad about SM.
>>741773048Why do you hate Lise anonIt's not like a 12 episode anime adaptation is a good way to judge a 50 hour VN but I dont remember hating it other than the obviously rushed parts
>>741768034>DLsite is too hard for retards, you need a JP VPN + the Visa/Mastercard shit means you can't pay directly and need to first buy DLsite pointsOnly if you want to buy anything that's haram in the west like lolige. You can buy all ages shit and hag games with a credit card just fine.
