This game is unfinished and kinda sucks, but it's also pure kino.
Miang anal.
>>741757374Obligated to post this in every Xenogears thread
is the story unfinished? or just gameplay areas or something
>>741757429The whole second disc is a visual novel speedrun of the rest of the story they didn't have development time for.
>>741757374I couldn't take it seriously after the third apocalyptic event they went through in the span of 30 minutes on disc 2
>>741757549Xenogears story is pure kino, you are a total faggot.
>>741757429Both, main director had tons of plans that were left out. We're talking mountains of story that go into details about the world. He wanted the game to be multi part series but ended up having to cram most of it in 1 game. The gameplay was also lacking even before the 2nd half(2nd disk). There's very little side content, the battle system never changes up, and you have unless mechanics like weight stat. The entire gameplay doesn't feel rewarding at all because it feels like nothing you do really matters. Gameplay wise, it set jrpgs back another decade because even old school jrpgs from the 80's did and offered more than Xenogears' gameplay. People only praise this game for the story and you need x2 speed or a patch to speed up the slow as fuck text speed. This is one of those games that drop casual filter bosses after a long scene.
>>741757520Honestly, the first disc is also a visual novel, considering the battles are piss easy, and non-cutscene gameplay segments are few and far between.
>>741758072>The absolute pure sovl of the original plans is now an autobattle gacha fanservice seriesTruly, we live in hell
>>741757374>Why did she have to be sacrificed? Is God dead? Is He just not there?! >If God doesn't exist in this world, then... I will create God with my own hands!Yeah *sip* I'm thinkin kino
>>741757374Gameplay is ass but the story is pure unfiltered kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ15aSoIBFE
>>741758761little did i know that reading this at age 13, it'd all be downhill from there
>>741757429Nah it's complete, but the Perfect Works book adds a ton of lore>>741757520Second disc is the best part because it cuts out all the trash gameplay
The hidden light tower scenarios are kino.
>>741757374When these niggas showed up I knew I was in for a wild ride
This counts as a AAA game.
I must be the only person who found the combat and gameplay ok. Nothing great but perfectly fine. It was pretty cool being able to kill end game giant enemies and mechs with just your fists while on foot instead of being inside a mech like you're supposed to.
>>741757374I've gotten to Billy and the Ethos orphanage which is a bit over halfway through disk 1 and the actual story still hasn't revealed itself.....
>>741759091I agree. It really isn’t awful or painful, just lacking strategy. It makes up for it by being easy enough to never bother you and having cool animations for your monkey brain.
>>741759095Keep playing
>>741759091>>741759157Combat was decent, and finding new skills was fun. For me it was just navigating the areas, and the actual world and scenarios I found meh.
why is every "deep" game story just esoteric judaism?The aesthetic is cool but I don't like the story, which apparently is the main draw.
>>741759191I'm in too deep to drop it now. Just saying the first supposed third of this game is packed with loads of useless set dressing filler and the coolest fucking walrusman on earth.
>>741759245The Jesuits went to japan and did a thoroughly terrible job at preaching the gospel to them, which opened the door to japanese who don't understand Christ looking into kabbalah and misunderstanding that as well
>>741759095It'll reveal itself really soon and it'll be worth it. I dropped this game three times before finally getting past Billy's segment and it was worth it when I finally did.
>>741759376Thanks for the encouragement. I actually started a Xenoblade save but about an hour in that nagging 18ish hour save of Xenogears was really nagging at me
>>741757374it is knownalso, emeralda, elly, margie, and prim are mine
>>741759317but christianity is kabbalistic as fuck, no misunderstanding. It obvious in the text and history. Adam Green is right about Christianity and you're ignorant or a willing slave to jews if you still follow it in current year.
https://youtu.be/rDMtfS0L9Ps
>>741759529following the teachings of Jesus is the shortest path to becoming a person who isn't a faggot.
>>741759248I AMA MANOF THE SEA
>>741759529>Christianity is kabbalisticExplain what you mean.
>>741759052Fuckin Pharisees ass motherfuckers
>>741757374UltimaterializerX
>>741757374Yeah I think the gameplay is like the 2nd worst of the entire Xeno pantheon (worst is Xenosaga 2) and it definitely is unfinished, BUT it’s kino.
>>741759583ProofOf a manOf the sea
>>741759529Kabbalah is antithetical to Christianity.
>>741759432I'd also recommend leaving the thread in case of spoilers, since Xenogears has some of the most batshit crazy twists in vidya
>>741757374One of my top games of all time but it's mostly because it came out when I was the right age. I would have hated it if it came out when I was an adult. It's kinda like emo music, it's enjoyable to present me only because it was big when I was an edgy preteen.
Were anno and Takahashi buds or something?
>>741757429The story is unfinished because the game is literally meant to be part 5 of 6, and because Square kept the license and everything related to it Takahashi can't ever make another one, and if Square dared to make their own sequels they'd flop because the fans would not accept a Xenogears product that doesn't include Takahashi so they won't even dare to touch the game with a ten foot pole.Also, the game itself is unfinished because they barely had a budget and could only make so much content so the final 1/3rd of the game is literally just text, think the final episodes of Evangelion that they did with magic marker stills because the budget ran out.
>>741759745>part 5 of 6What are parts 1-4 of 6?
>>741759715Have you played Xenoblade? Same overall themes and philosophy in a much less pretentious package.
>>741759780There's a vague outline for them in Perfect Works but not much more, Xenosaga for the PS2 is a reworked version of parts 1 and 2 but eventually that saga also ended up incomplete.Xenoblade is the most recent attempt at telling the whole story.
>>741759795I thought Xenoblade wasn't even originally a 'Xeno' game
>>741759780The other generations of humanity like Abel against Cain and the Gazel, and the Zeboim conflit.
>>741757374How bout you suck my balls, OP?Xenogears is easily one of the best RPGs of all time.
>>741759795>Have you played Xenoblade?no because dunkey told me it was heckin sexist
>>741759896You can't call it a good game when half of it isn't a game and also isn't even complete.But yes it is kino.
>>741759780Basically proto-Xenosaga, the story beats only ever outlined in Xenogears Perfect Works.
>>741759851The first Xenoblade started out as Monado: Beginning of the World, but even back then it included many concepts and ideas from Perfect Works, when Ninendo bought the studio Iwata suggested renaming the game to Xeno-something as a way to honor Talahashi's history and Takahashi ended up landing on the Xeno-blade title because of the central element of the story being a sword, since then Xenoblade games have become increasingly infused with the DNA of Perfect Works to the point that Xenoblade 3 was pretty much a copyright-free remake of Xenogears.
>>741759975>Xenoblade 3 is basically copyright free xenogearsI thought everyone hated Xenoblade 3
>>741760018There's two kinds of Xenoblade 3 haters, the tourists who got into the franchise with 2 and claim 3 is "censored" because rhey didn't understand that the character designs in 2 are meant to further the themes of that game and not actually be a blueprint for the whole series.The other "haters" are mostly people who like the game fine but feel like it peaks two chapters before it ends and that the actual ending is less emotionally-resonant.
>>741757427
>>741760078Shit so it's good?What about xenosaga? Is that good too? The slutty robochicks put me off
>>741760130OP here. I'm playing Xenosaga right now. Just finished episode 1 and it wasn't great.
>>741760126Why did they crucify Chu-Chu?
>>741760130I've never played Xenosaga, only Xenogears and Xenoblade.
>>741759795Yeah but it’s gay looking and Xenogears is cool looking so I like Xenogears more
>>741760245Idk, Reyn is pretty cool
>>741757374Basically everything about this game is 10/10 except the actual gameplay, it pains me to say. Well and the fact it wasn't really finished the way they wanted. I don't think there's a single game more deserving of an actual remake
>>741760078Blade 3 has so much wrong with it, that saying there are only two types of people who dislike it is reductive to the point of it being pure cope. It is the definition of a 5 out of 10. You are utterly blind and retarded if you mistake 3 for a good game.
>>741760336Explain what is wrong with the game then, faggot.
>>741760225Because she spoke the Truth.
>>741760187You'll love me episode II hahaha
>>741759780iircPart 1: Space opera like Xenosaga detailing humanity's sruggles after its exile from Earth (Lost Jerusalem) following the activation of the Zohar MonolithPart 2: Takes place around the time of "Genesis", after the Eldritch crash lands on some planet way out in space. I think the Eldritch had been sent off on some long mission to terraform a distant planet, but secretly also to just get the super weapon DEUS as far away from the human systems from part 1 as possible. I think Part 2 was to detail the origin of Solaris and the descendants of the first humans created by Kadomony, Deus' central computer.Part 3: The fall of the Zeboim civilization, who were advanced and prosperous but considered a dead end by Deus and Miang. They had some sort of birth crisis and Miang was manipulating the leaders at the time into nonstop escalating wars. Most Gears in the game are from around this era.Part 4: The Nisan-Solaris war and Lacan going batshit insane and wiping out the majority of people on the planet. Pre-Xenogears basically.Part 5: XenogearsPart 6: Conclusion to the whole story
>>741760475Where's the Xenosaga? Part 1-3?
>>741760472Momo's new voice actor is trash.
>>741760557I don't know if Xenosaga fits neatly into the planned timeline for Xenogears or if it was just loosely based on the plan for part 1
>>741759740I doubt they've ever met or if Anno knows what Xenogears is
>>741760557Part 1
>>741760387You mean the chu-ruth
>>741760475crazy how ending of the game isn't the conclusion? what else is there to do? the wave existence already fucked off
>>741760737Tis a mystery. Your guess is as good as anyone's now>>741760475Found the pic. Looks like my memory was mostly accurate, more or less
>>741760965Knowing Takahashi it probably involved making another brand new world or some shit
>>741760737>>741760965The story after Fei's world, why did Deus need 10,000 years to awaken? What were its intentions? Was it really just Deus? Grahf and Krelian gave Fei a chance while remaining convinced of their theses, who is right? Fei or them? Probably, the human condition itself cannot answer this question(Read the last two pages of PW)
>>741760225the real question is why did chu-chu get big for the occasion?
>>741760965Such an incredibly ambitious project. I wonder what it would have been like had it all been fully realized, Xenogears itself included. 6 games on the level of a completed Xenogears spanning different eras and settings, ah what could have beenEpisode 2 sounds interesting. Cave men vs giant robot Babylon
>>741757374It was made on a budget of $17, with a team of brand new rookie kid developers and was translated and localized by a single person.Even with all of that going against it, Xenogears still came out kino as fuck. I was 12 when it came out and even then I knew I would never play another JRPG of that quality and scope ever again.I'm 40 now and I was right.
>>741761280tbf, at the time the other episodes would probably have been in other media, Takahashi chose episode 5 because it was the one that lent itself best as a JRPGSource: https://xenogearsxenosagastudyguide.blogspot.com/p/hakoere-vol20-special-interview-1998.html
>>741759248I won't spoil anything too big but when you get Emeralda in your party and can travel anywhere, take her to Citan's house and inspect the music box.:3
>>741757374>Xenoblade 2 and 3's story was shityeah no I'm not touching gears
>>741761341This image is incredibly sexist.
>>741761740you're comparing apples to oranges
>>741757374I think the game is a dumpster fire, one of the worst games I've ever played. I can live with clunky gameplay and technical limitations, but bad writing in a story-focused game is unacceptable. The game reads like a badly MTLed light novel./v/ recommendations are usually solid but this, Undertale and FF XIV made me more cautious about picking about vidya here.
>>741762050are you telling me that the translation done in a few months by a single person of an extremely dense script is bad. Fuck, I never would have guessed, what does this have to do with the original Japanese?
>>741762157>implying any of you faggots played it in Japanese
>>741762050>fails a litmus test>is apparently proud of itokay
>>741762050You can criticize a lot of things about Xenogears, but bad writing?
>>741757374Unfinished games are the most kino ones.
>>741762828I would argue the story and plot are kino but that the translation is more than occasionally weak
>>741762828that onions scene comes to mindthe setup was in the room right next to the payoff
>>741763047Why does this happen so much with RPGs? Other cases include Arcanum and New Vegas
>>741762828In the hands of a master, even a bland tale turns into a classic.In inept hands, ambitious projects turn into an unreadable mess. Dune, Umineko, Xenogears, they all have atrocious writing.
>>741757374I am playing it right now. I just got to Solaris and I can only agree.The game is fucking terrible but amazing.
>>741759245you get to pick from esoteric judaism or buddhism.everything else is just capeshit.
>>741764494Nooo mein emperor!
>>741760078the characters in 3 look like shit compared to XB1 too.
>>741763237Rpgs are the hardest type of game to make. Too many moving parts, too many systems, too much to write and make it make sense within the game mechanics.
I just finished Xenogears the other day.I think Fei & Elly are too forgiving to Krelian, I get what they're going for but it still felt cheap.and I kinda wish Xenoblade have that edge like Gears & Saga did
>>741763237because the version that could have been in your head is always better than the actual thing. if any of them were finished it'd probably be a disappointing wet fart.
>>741759529Shalom.
>>741759529You're just saying meaningless words, aren't you?
>>741764901>I think Fei & Elly are too forgiving to KrelianI think it's kino that Fei still reached his hand out to Krelian in the end.>Always the peacemaker, eh, Lacan?
>>741765050>So this is spiral power, huh...
>>741759795Xenoblade is concepts from Gears and Saga endlessly recycled but watered down to the point where they often feel completely out of place and without substance wrapped in a veneer of a generic isekai light novel.
>>741764853True>>741765173Also kinda true
>You're not you when you're hungry.
>>741767463Generations of reincarnations of Abel will look at this and say "wife".
>>741764301>>741762157>>741763158and?
>>741764901>>741765302>I think Fei & Elly are too forgiving to Krelian, I get what they're going for but it still felt cheap.It's like Brothers Karamazov where Alyosha kisses IvanIt's a polyphonic work, all theses are treated with respect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knll_W2d_Tg
>>741770761https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTWgT3_t5Jk
>>741761341Does anyone have a collage or folder of edits of the damn chair? I’ve seen them for Shulk, Shion, and Noah
>>741771523There is a tragic irony in the ending that is devastating if you think about it: Krelian wants to return to the higher, objective, and pure dimension, but the Wave Existence itself has been "infected" by Abel's will, even if Krelian probably doesn't care.
>>741757374I'm replaying it, since it's been so long I forgot, and with the lore wiki this time, and what the fuck, the story wasn't what I thought it is.Is it kino? yes
Is the perfect work romhack worth playing now?https://github.com/NoharOSP/Perfect_Works_Build
>Your Chuchu replacement
>>741760328>remakeFuck off.
Apparently Wong Fei-hung was the inspiration for the design for Fei, sort of like how Sasaki Koujiro was the inspiration for the design of Sephiroth
>>741757374I started playing this and the story hooked me so hard but the gameplay sucks ass, it's so incredibly boring
>>741773402wong fei hong in media is just a generic chinese hero standin. usually doesnt have much to do with the real one.
Hey there Fei what happened eatin there? Looks yummy! No thanks, I'm not hungry.
>>741764651He was our biggest nigga in the end
>>741774765Actually, it was based
>>741773010You know, in general I'm with you, remakes and remasters tend to be atrocious slop pretty often, but fuck it this is one I'd like to see realized (it won't be so don't worry)
>>741774765How's your wife and daughter?>I have a wife and daughter?
>>741757374>unfinished and kinda sucks, but it's also pure kinoSeems like all of the best games follow this pattern: the flaws are the soul; the dirt from which the diamond peeks, enhancing it by contrast.
I liked gear battling.
>>741778517Actual boss fights or the arena in Kislev?
>>741778679Kysliv*
>>741778517gear battling minigame is genuinely way superior to the actual combat of the game.at the same time it makes me question their approach to game making because it looks like they wasted quite a bit of effort on that.that whole kislev part was way too fucking long.
>>741760126https://youtu.be/-v54foYnJK4
I played this game very early in life, and literally nothing has ever come close. Xenoblade Future Redeemed almost scratched the itch, Xenosaga 3 was almost there, but nothing has the sheer scope or escalation of stakes that Gears has. You start so small, your worries so small, but everything escalates so high so fast so far. It's fucking awesome.
>>741778787The funny part about the battling mini game is one guy just made that in his spare time and they threw it in, originally it was just going to be normal Gear boss battles but then Sugimoto (the guy who coded the entire 3d engine) was like "fellas. take a look at this shit."
Love anime Love anime game franchises wouldn't be on /v/ or 4chan otherwise
>>741779119that shit is genuinely more solid than many fully realized mecha games at the time.it even comes with a frame data display which still isnt the norm in fighting games.
>>741778971if you like escalation kino play Astlibra.
>random encounter every 5 secondswtf were they thinking?
The gameplay sucks, the pacing sucks, and the story isn't finished. Why do people like this and why is it praised?
>>741779190Honestly with more development it could've been a fun standalone game. Played that shit all the time as a kid, Hatomato was my goat.
>>741779119>>741779190If you want another game like it, check out Megatudo on the PS1
>>741778749kek
>>741757374If there's any game that deserves the description "didn't age well" Xenogears is definitely on that list.
>>741781402After more and more info has come out about the jews running the world, I'd say its more prescient now than in the 90s
>>741759529>all those repliesthe brainwashed followers of christ-insanity really like to defend the demiurge religion.
>>741779307>story isn't finished.because it is
>>741772649The script changes are really dry, in my experience. It fucking changes Karhan to Carlin and Kahr to Carl. Fucking CARL. They're calling one of the chief antagonists CARL.
>>741767463Would you fuck psycho Elly?
>>741774765https://lparchive.org/Xenogears-(by-The-Dark-Id)/Citan/
>>741764494i could survive that
>>741781402That's the reason both Xenosaga and Blade are worse?
>>741781402It's timeless, man.
>>741781565It is the same guy that that changed Kael to Carl?https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Invoker
>>741774765Was Citan a well written character?
>>741781918Genuinely one of the best
You now remember Rico.
>>741781918Yes, like every character. some just don't have screentime, case in point >>741782294
>>741782592bro it sucks how they did him dirty. Rico during combat should've been much more tanky to compensate for his speed
>>741782695Rico is such a cool looking dude. Why do JRPGs always make the big guys useless?
>>741782786Barret was quite useful IMO
>>741772649Wait for the 1.0 release , it's almost done at least from what's been said
>>741782786Reyn is one of the best party members in xenoblade 1. Also fucking Rex in future redeemed.
I hate how Square has neglected quality control on these, they are so cool
I've never seen a jrpg character suffer more than pic related
Reminder that Bart is a sister fucker.
>>741783285Madason from DQV.
>>741783285Cloud Strife?
>>741783285Very often the threat is external, or a manipulation, instead Fei had to accept having chosen to ignore Id as a child, having killed his mother and an infinity of other people, his response to Krelian on imperfection has a very different weight, compared to a character who has remained "Innocent" as happens in other JRPGs
>>741783604Fei is honestly such a fucked up person desu. Its amazing how well written he is though. I doubt many writers can do his character arc properly.
>>741760564>playing the shitty censored dub when there's an undub that also uncensors the gameI'd hate the game too if I had to listen to that shit dub.
I remember hating how you had that optional desert area in Disc 2 that you couldn't explore until the very end of the game, and the only reward for clearing it was a weapon for Citan to use outside of his gear, and the only thing to use it for was returning from inside the area because the rest of the game's content was all in gears
>>741783493You have to be joking. Even Square agrees, they rejected Xenogears' script as FF7 because it was too dark and complex and the protagonist suffered too much.
>there are actual 40-year-olds in this thread
>>741778971>Future RedeemedI swear you guys really over hype Future Redeemed to the point where its just down right loony with comparison. The shit was 7.4/10 at best and still the same low brow retarded Xenoblade 3 story that just threw in Blade 1 and 2 characters, so basically just Xenoblade 3 with a different take.
Why is Fei's chi blast so useless?
>>741786505its ok against like two enemy types in the game.
>>741757374I like that one Bulgarian folk choir song
Who was your guys' end game team?For me, it was Fei, Citan, and Esmeralda
>>74178625936 here
>>741786719Mine was similar, Fei, Citan and Maria
>>741786719Fei, Citan, Billy
>>741779126same
>>741760126chusified
>>741788516and to think that each map required 2 or 3 weeks and they are beautiful, little pieces of craftsmanship (for reference the backgrounds of FF7 required 2 or 3 days)
>>741783285Honestly, the only one that rivals him is Ramsus. Ramsus went through some seriously harsh shit. People say "Oh Ramsus builds a harem though" but that's not even how that is. The Elements are more like strays he used to fill the void, because they're also unwanted cast-offs
>>741788608You should be arrested by the Gebler for that one.
>>741757429Sorta and both. It is finished in the sense that you could play the entire thing and not feel like you missed anything or that it ended abruptly, but Xenogears was originally planned to be a trilogy and its director wrote an incredible amount of supplementary lore, backstory and history that never made it into the game but had to be put into a book that detailed his plans to make a six part sci-fi epic and that Xenogears, despite being the first released game, is intended to be the chronological Part 5.The gameplay's pretty bogstandard for JRPGs, and does nothing special. The second half of the game's an extremely dense visual novel with boss fights. It had to turn into a visual novel just to cram so much story into an 80 hour game.The game alone, ignoring the supplementary material is genuinely a contender for the densest and grandest story ever told in a single, standalone video game. The only deeper or denser stuff comes from multiple-part series.
>>741781598I don't have the drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGhSS8ZClbgThere's some oddly moving about this track.Also helps that I'm pretty sure that the Yggdrasil is one of the biggest airships in gaming, if not the biggest.
>>741757374Wouldn't you know it, the Yggdrasil theme is currently stuck in my head.https://youtu.be/V99m1mkGTtc?feature=sharedhttps://youtu.be/V99m1mkGTtc?feature=shared
>>741786719Fei, Citan, and Bart, at all times they were available and yes, they were my final team.
>>741790753For me, it's The Blue Traveler. I still remember just listening to it for a long time on the demo disc that Xenogears was on. It's so magnificenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgDqdyjBkfE
No one can possibly say a single bad thing about Xenogears after watching his video.Even Disc 2 is acceptable when the circumstances surrounding it are understood.
>Didnt know I had to use other buttons for other combos>Just went through the game with the base combos>Only time I ever experience was the infinity tough was in the welltall 2 cause there's a trigger for it>Had to cheat to finish the final boss cause I didn't have the fuel to take down the 4 things around and the final boss himself
>>741791264Acceptable yes but still unfortunate. Xenogears is a classic but it's bittersweet. I'll forever wonder what could have been, if things had been a little different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7BROS2sxM
>>741759745Thats not 100 % true.There are still bosffights and minor/major dungeons and cutscenes on disc 2.
>>741790669>trilogy>part 5???
>Doing the big fuck off tower in the sea>Get to the top, one jump to go>Jump>At that precise moment a random fight starts>Lose all momentum and plummet to the bottomTo this day I dont know if I got unlucky or just got trolled by the devs.
>>741792010I think that precise tileset is scripted to have an encounter
>>741791945I wasn't wrong but I left out the detail that Xenogears was going to be a multimedia project; By trilogy I meant one of three games. The other two remaining parts would be another medium like a book or anime or some shit, nobody really knows.
>>741792010IMO these are some of the best memories from older games.
>>741791927more than anything, the most important scenes are all shown normally, with dialogue, direction and the map rendered by the game engine, there is no gameplay but I mean, it's different from saying it's just text, the key scenes are experienced, not summarized, that's why despite everything it's a masterpiece
>>741781598Absolutely.Crazy, psycho girls are the best fucks ever. Redheads are incredibly lusty as well.
>>741783329Based
>>741757374They went full evangelion with it, including the retarded budget management.
>>741759596Kabbalah's just OT bible with some schizo stuff added but doesn't fundamentally change the message that jews are the chosen master races that has a plan to create a "world to come" where they behead all bad goyim and enslave all good goyim.NT Christainity seems like it goes against this cause of extra-biblical stuff that was added to entice non-jews. But if you actually read the NT is says not to remove a jot or tittle from the OT jewish law, that salvation is of the jews, and it revelations is basically the same fantasy as the "world to come" promised in Isaiah. The messiah treading on non-jews like a wine press is the same as christ (greek work for messiah) coming back to kill everyone in revelation.A lot of the cultural trappings that make Christianity seem based and wholesome are actually from pre-Christian white cultures, like angels are some bizarre fearsome lovecraftian thoughtless sexless servents in the OT, but are the beautiful women and babies with wings in pre-Christian Greek art. Christmas and all the nice aspects of holidays are from white culture, Pure Christianity would have you fasting and praying all day like those jews that bob back and forth praying or some shit, bizarre.Read Adam Greens book if you want more detailed answers.
>>741757374Yeah, I agree. For me It's way too easy. I need an actual challenge to stay engaged with a JRPG. Tertiaries and millennials care too much about story and pretty graphics, which is why they overrate games like this. All in all, It's another all style over substance game that relies purely on vibes and emotion like many other so called "masterpieces" of that era.Unpopular opinion on /v/ but Videogames should first and foremost be fun. Any game that blatantly disregards gameplay and shoves it to the backburner for things that don't matter deserves to be laughed at.
>>741757429Xenogears isn't incomplete. In fact, it's the fact that Xenogears is complete that is why it's such a legendary game. The game ran out of time and Square wanted them to release as is (end of Disc 1). But because they wanted to complete the story they made Disc 2 which turns a bunch of the less important story moments into on rails story segments, giving the player back control during major story beats and the endgame state (at which point the player is allowed back on to the world map with a bunch of side quests and endgame stuff open). But the actual story of the game is complete. All the bosses and dungeons are in the game.
>>741794525>Read Adam Greens bookWhich one?
>>741794939peak midwit
>>741794525There's the story of the canaanite woman with the sick child where Jesus tries to send her away saying that dogs (goyim) are unworthy of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters (the jews).This is the guy that christcucks worship as God incarnate.
>>741781918>Citan>Sitan>Satan
>>741757374Nothing wrong with flawed masterpieces. I loved this game. Fei, Citan, and Billy for life. The fist, the blade, the gun. KINO.Also, a gun toting priest is a sorely underused trope that needs more representation.
>>741795779How was this not our reaction to that instead of kowtowing like bitches
>>741795673Sorry I don't like movieslop, grandpa.
>>741757374>This game is unfinished and kinda sucks, but it's also pure kinoPost other games where this description fits perfectly as well.
>>741796226By the time christians overtook Rome, it has been in decline for about half a millennium, since the middle of the 2nd century BC. It's absolutely worth reading up on the decline of the republic, the parallels are eerie. Elites importing third worlders by the millions, being mega degenerate, the complete loss of roman virtue, childlessness among native romans...
>>741760965The soul and ambition that 90's gaming devs had was so fucking kino.I like Xenoblade but its so dumbed down compare to saga and gear
>>741796462Fabled land java
>>741796363It's okay not to appreciate the same things, what's not okay is dismissing other people's preferences
>>741794939>Unpopular opinion on /v/ but Videogames should first and foremost be fun. Any game that blatantly disregards gameplay and shoves it to the backburner for things that don't matter deserves to be laughed at.That's all JRPGs though...
>>741795673Not really, at best the anon you're replying to is a contrarian midwit, peak midwits have very little skill (and very little desire to put effort into getting good) and they also have very little interaction with other mediums with actually great stories, that's the reason why they treat anything with decent story telling like VNs, VN-lites(JRPGs) and movie garbage like the pinnacle of the medium.
>>741761087Deus "waited" 10,000 years because it needed spare parts from humans to fix the damage it sustained. It's intention is to return to Lost Jerusalem (Earth)
>>741796954all those who say "read a book" never explain why book x is specifically better than game y though
>>741796683>dismissing other people's preferencesI'm not dismissing preferences, I'm judging video games as games. If you just want a pretty story, read a book or watch anime.
>>741797592Because those people are bluffing and dint read books either, else they would know 99% of books are trash with zero curation or oversight. Its much easier to get published than to get 50 million dollars to make a game.
>>741794525>not to remove a jot or tittleI'm gonna need a chapter and verse seeing as Jesus says that you can eat anything despite OT covenant law having many restrictions. This all reads like schizo Headcanon that maybe works with a cursory glance at and minimal actual knowledge of the bible, but requires a lot of gymnastics to actually pull off.
>>741797373Yeah but, in the game and in the PW they mention a "time limit", why was there a time limit for Deus?
>>741791324I gotta say this game has the worst fucking habit of giving you these minimal windows to heal/refuel/restock then jamming you in some long hallway gauntlet of strong enemies, and then immediately sending you to cutscene jail for 20 minutes, and then spitting you out to a bossfight that's starts with some BIG DAMAGE GUARANTEED KILL MOVE and brow beating the player for not going to the hangar and healing everything up during your 10 seconds of freedom
>>741757374>Another xeno thread
>>741797717>If you just want a pretty story, read a book or watch anime.What book has a better story than Xenogears, retard?
>>741797717then it's the name that is too specific, if it had been called video theater they would have had a different perception of what it should be
>>741798058maybe I'll be shot for this, but I sincerely believe that the answer is none, especially because no serious critic would create a hierarchy between Dostoevsky and Kafka, or between Dante and Melville, they would tell you that there is a quality point where it becomes impossible to define hierarchies. Also because better prose doesn't necessarily mean greater depth, you can have beautiful prose that says nothing. I'm just saying that the reasons why Brothers Karamazov are considered a masterpiece lie in the autonomy of the characters, the author doesn't descend from above to say "he is right and the opposite position is fallacious", he lets them live independently; Xenogears does the exact same thing with Fei, Krelian, and Grahf. I also wonder, why the comparisons are always with books and never with theater?
>>741797808picrelthe schizo headcanon is that whites are the real jews, or jesus somehow isn't the jewish messiah (fictional character, just their fantasy and plan) meant to conquer non-jews like it says plainly in Isaiah and Revelation, but he's somehow a based aryan hitler guy or something don't make me think too hard about it, I just want to be a comfortable christian and not make mom sad>>741795571"The Jesus Deception: A Mystical Midrashic Myth"
is it worth playing the other xeno games? i only played gears
>>741794525>>741798717But the law is fulfilled in Christ Jesus.Further, Jesus mythicism is the lowest tier counterargument to christianity. Not even the most stick in ass secular ancient historians deny the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, which unfortunately is the lynchpin in Green's theory.
>>741798760Xenoblade is much better.
>>741798058>What book has a better story than XenogearsThe Bible is an obvious shoo-in.I could name others if you want
>>741798874>Xenoblade is much betterThis.
>>741798874not the ps2 games?
>>741798760Saga is whackBlade is better in some respects but not as deep or complex in others. The characters aren't as strong, but they're given more room to breathe without if feeling like a shotgun blast of rushed and uninteresting side stories and filler arcs that exist just for a character to turn to the screen and give you a soliloquy or a flashback.
>>741757520Wrong>best dungeons>cool secret lore>best boss encounters
>>741798868lowest tier to who? I find it convincing and all the historical "proofs" of a real Jesus seem like copes
>>741799438jew spotted
thinking about playing this. should i get the perfect works hack or 2.0 hack?
>>741799438To anyone who studies history? If you want to argue that Jesus just existed and people got a little too excitable at David Blaine esque miracles, maybe with plants or maybe just maybe tricking his disciples then sure, lets head that direction. But mythicism is only tenable if you ignore all historic writings that at the very least affirm his existence, and if those aren't sufficient, then you wouldn't or shouldn't be sure than anything that ever happened prior to your lifetime ever actually did.
>>741799517>not wanting to follow a religion jews made for you to help them conquer the world and kill or enslave your people is jewish
>>741794939>Gameplay is King nonsense I'll never understand faggots who hate story in games. Even the most dogshit Movie game like RDR2 is miles better than janky kusoge like Re4 or whatever 2D slop you probably play.
>>741799793The only reason "Christianity" has allowed for Jews to gain all their power is thanks to the Protestant reformation which smuggled dispensationalism into their doctrine. Jews are spiritual enemies to be converted and submit to
>>741799927And not*** submit to
>>741799863you could've had a valid point but then went on to call re4 kusogeboth xenogears and re4 are more enjoyable to play than rdr2
>>741798760Play all of them. All 7 of them are literally just more Xenogears. They all have their quirks, but they are all unabashedly just more Xenogears.
>>741798760The Xenoblade games are better than Gears, but Gears has the better story imo. Xenoblades stories are kino though, especially 1 and 3s
>>741794939>for things that don't matterThis is what the anon said about disregarding others' preferences. Games can be a medium for whatever the fuck the creators and the audience want. Your argument 100% comes down to>I don't like it so it is objectively badand that's the argument of a child brain.Novels don't have to be linear experiences, movies don't have to be 90 minutes, eschewing traditional medium structure can often result in a shallow experience (most CYA novels) but can also elevate the medium - games have a near infinite breadth of possibility and you want to keep them in the box that was already escaped by the late 80s
>>741795779>>741796486>>741781545>>741798717You can tell when a schizo is speaking when he's talking about shit that no one talks about.Also lmao, comparing Christianity to third world invaders of all things.
>>741799863>I'll never understand faggots who hate story in gamesSee >>741797717
>>741800646I'm not saying games can't experiment or that every game has to be the same. I'm saying that if you're making a videogame, gameplay should be the MAIN FOCUS.
>>741798760The Saga games are the only thing close. The Blade games have no similarity at all in tone, aesthetic, ambition, etc.
>>741799927>dispensationalismis a cope. The books of moses, the founding of all judeo-christianity already have jewish supremacy and rules on conquering gentiles. It was cucked from the start.
Jesus is Jewish, so why are christcucks so antisemitic?
>>741781918fuck that guy ill never trust him
>>741799719anyone? plz
>>741801678You should skip this and play better games.
>>741801174And even that is sticking the medium in a box. Walking Simulators may almost universally be shallow garbage, but they are still valid games. A walking simulator absolutely could be one of the greatest games of all time, the lack of "fun gameplay" doesn't make it "a bad game" - it makes it different. It's interactive media, I can agree that the vast majority of greatest games tend to be core gameplay focused, but Xenogears is an amazing story, an amazing thing, and that thing happens to be a game, even if the combat is shallow and the mechanics are dull. It is not a perfect thing, but it would be lesser if it weren't a game. You're allowed to dislike it as your focus is clearly on the mechanical artistry of gameplay systems. I don't particularly like House of Leaves, but I wouldn't discard its qualities due to it not following what I think a novel should be.
>>741760965>>741760737>>741760475What's crazy to me, is that Xenogears 2 WAS in development at a certain point. It was cancelled after The Spirits Within disaster.https://www.frontlinejp.net/2020/05/28/xenogears-2-didnt-happen-because-of-ff-spirits-within-monolith-soft-president-sugiura/
>>741801678I haven't tried the Perfect Works build but if you don't mind the very frequent random encounters and the slow text speed, I would still go with 2.0, personally I was so hooked that I didn't care about these flaws. If you see that the translation is bothersome instead, I would switch to the PW which fixes a few things
>>741801738name 10
>>741802223only thing that bothers me about PW is that its unfinished, but its active so eh guess i wont mind it
>>741801678I'd recommend playing it vanilla
>>741764301How's first year university treating you? Imagine parading around ""classic"" literature like it diminishes other stories. It means you have no actual taste of your own.
>>741762050Black Souls is the only /v/ recommendation that is actually good.
>>741801813>the lack of "fun gameplay" doesn't make it "a bad game"Yes, it does. That's a defining metric of the medium, lol>but it would be lesser if it weren't a gameNah, I think it's better suited as an anime or novel, the game doesn't actually do anything to take advantage of the medium it's in. Could you actually explain why you feel it'd be lesser in another medium?...Yeah, didn't think so, lol.
>>741801852wtf
>>741759550>8k AI remaster dogshitdon't link this trash ever again
>>741804235>Could you actually explain why you feel it'd be lesser in another medium?Verisimilitude>...Yeah, didn't think so, lol.You are not really beating the child brain accusations here, friend.
>>741801356>but the book of moses Yeah, yeah, the Jews were indeed set apart in their time before the twelve tribes of Israel were completely dispersed and functionally no longer exist. Did you read on after that? Specifically the part where God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son?
>>741757374I'm getting honestly REALLY heavily filtered by the gameplay. How far have I got until VN heaven? I got to the part where Fei and Elly are on the boat.
>>741804994I'm 23 hours in on Chapter 39, Deep Sea Girl. I'm lead to believe I'm about 10 chapters away from the start of disc 2. A chapter(so far) is anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour depending on the pacing.
>>741805230Sadly Disc 2 starts around 40 hours in
>>741792010
>>741805417The hell you mean 40 hours? How the hell is 10 chapters going to take me 17 hours?? Dude......
>>741805230ughhhhhhhhhh i hate the game so fucking muchhhhh
>>741805417>chat jippity says the chapters starting at babel tower start taking multiple hours to get throughFuck, you're right....
>>741804863>the part where God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son?... to save the Jews? Yes. They rejected him because he wasn't the conquering warlord messiah they wanted. That has nothing to do with him rejecting the Gentiles though.
>>741801356The books of Moses are about the Israelites. How could they be about jews when the Roman province of Judaea didn't even exist yet?Maybe you don't know what jews actually are or what the word means?
>>741795779Notice how this faggot hasn't posted the bible verse he's refering to?
>>741804472>VerisimilitudeAre you trolling or just retarded?Disc 2 literally turns into a visual novel text dump. How does taking away the controller and making the player watch a slideshow of characters sitting on chairs = "Verisimilitude" to you, lol? It just further proves that it belongs in a different medium. You have no argument.
>>741788516
>>741807467In an anime or a VN you cannot perceive the spatiality of the world, they are static backgrounds, Takahashi specifically wanted a 3D map because he wanted it to feel like a real world. And even in disc 2, it is full of scenes that use the game engine with dynamic camera angles, you cannot do something like that in VNs or anim
So I guess now that Dimitri, or a version of him, existed in the blade timeline, and he was presumably pulling the same shenanigans that he was in saga. Does that mean there was a version of saga that plays out after the rejoining of worlds? But then that wouldn't really make sense because he couldn't be alive several millenia later searching for the zohar and earth. Or do they still happen and the search for lost jerusalem happens because because Klaus stuffed part of earth in a pocket dimension and they literally just couldn't find earth.
>>741807467Now disc 2 is the entirety of the game? I'm not claiming Xenogears is flawless, that's kind of always been its reputation - a flawed masterpiece. Disc 2 is acceptable, it treads a ton of ground narratively at the expense of the freedom disc 1 presented in its more traditional JRPG trappings. Most players are invested enough to accept that, but if the entirety of disc 1 was presented the same way, the investment wouldn't be there and while it would be a remarkable story, it would lose its impact.Fei destroying his own village at the start of the game is elevated by the player's ability to wander Lahan and interact with its people, to experience it as a place instead of a pretty picture that then gets torn up 30 seconds later. There is value in the player's agency in those non-combat environments that layer onto your investment into the world that disc 2 would utterly fail without.Obviously that didn't work for you, which is again, a personal experience. You continue to argue that it's somehow universal.
>>741807006>rejecting the gentilesNot in the new testament btw
Xenogears would be better if it didn't have the "open world"putting you on a world map with only 5-6 visitable locations feels lame
>>741808228even the fact that you are forced to use the Onions system's healing items throughout the game, makes you feel morally complicit in the system, or the gameplay that acts as foreshadowing (Grahf not attacking Elly)
>>741807303jews, hebrew, isrealites, whatever, they're all from the same family tree and not white. If the guys in the bible aren't the same as modern jews, why do they behave like modern jews?>joseph using psychology/dream analysis to become pharoah's top guy>he then uses usery to get rich by owning all their grain and putting them in debt>esther sleeps with the babylonian king and convinces him his people are anti-semites and need to be killed, the king then lets the jews genocide his people>all the OT laws being super jewy and anti-gentile, then jesus saying he doesn't want to change any of themthere's more but I've typed enough. Sure looks jewy to me.
the god awful dungeon in the sand pit with blonde boy almost made me drop the game but I kept pursuing, then when I spent 30 minutes wandering around the ship wondering who the fuck I was supposed to talk to I dropped it. just too fucking boring
So when the evil worms take over the ship in the opening cutscene, and then hack the monitors with the >ye shall be as Godsmessage. That was supposed to be taunting them as it killed everyone on board right? Like you fucked around and now you're gonna find out.
>>741809321gods dead.
>>741809321I don't think you are going to do very well with this game's story. You should probably try something a little lighter
>>741809321Its japanese gnosticism, don't think about it too hard
>>741809321it is a total reversal, they will be as gods because humanity literally becomes biological material that will be reabsorbed by Deus
>>741809676But I have 670 hours in the witcher games and about 240 in the arkham games and a similiar amount in marvel's spiderman.
>>741795229Then why didn't I get El Seibzehn?
>>741808986>jews, hebrew, isrealites, whatever, they're all from the same family tree and not white.Incorrect. The name Adam means 'red'. David is described a redhead with blue eyes. Jesus is described by Roman reports as a blonde with blue eyes. Japheth, known to the Greeks as Iapetos, seeded the Hellenes. The Germanic world still bears the name of its progenitor Dan all over it.>If the guys in the bible aren't the same as modern jews, why do they behave like modern jews?They don't. You're just so kiked that you buy into jewish lies without realizing it. The word 'Jew' refers to inhabitants of Judaea. Not a specific race or religion. Within Judaea there were many races and religions. Some of them were Israelites like Jesus. Some of them were Talmudists. The people you call Jews today are Talmudists who create a false association with Jesus and with the Old Testament by calling themselves Jews, and then using Jew as a synonym for Israelite. It's no different than a pajeet moving to Britain and then claiming he's the same race as King Arthur because his government documents call him British.I understand there's very little chance you'll accept this fact because your being is so wrapped up in the lies you've been fed, but I thought it would be good to try and get this across to you.
>>741757374I like how the ending is all happy when 99% of humanity has been genocided
>>741809861What is that supposed to be, your college credits?
>>741809321this >>741809710Deus can use people to rebuild himself.
>>741809925Awesome design, not necessary for the plot
>>741809925because it was an initial idea that was later removed during development, the anima relics are 12 like the 12 sons of Jacob, therefore there were no more anima relics for Maria and Emeralda, also because their two gears are different from those of the others, Maria's was modified with her father's consciousness, while Emeralda's is made of nanomachines like her
>>741810121By the time of the game's ending humanity is spread out across the whole galaxy for over 10K years anyway so no, humanity is fine even if literally everyone died on that particular planet Gears takes place
>>741809987You're reading the Commoner version. The whole Bible is a double-meaning guidebook that reads one way for Commoners, and a completely different way for Pharisees
>>741810385yes but the game's planet is not only a graveyard, but they also lost the energy source that powered them, all the gears became paperweights, and besides, if Deus was created by the federation, who can guarantee that there weren't others?
>>741810604There were plenty of people living without gears already.
>>741810503The same pharisees that Jesus pwned?
>>741810503>actually if you replace some words with different words...
>>741810746Yes, the same ones that also had him killed, his brother killed, and then took over and subverted his entire life's work
>>741810819>I don't know what a pun is or that Hebrew is completely obsessed with them thanks to their lack of vowels making them easy
>>741810874>subverted his workAnd what was this work?
>>741810953>actually if you replace some words with different words...
>>741810191>Awesome design, not necessary for the plotCould have been worked in, characters like Maria become far too irrelevant later on. She could have used it.>>741810354>because it was an initial idea that was later removed during development, the anima relics are 12 like the 12 sons of Jacob, therefore there were no more anima relics for Maria and Emeralda, also because their two gears are different from those of the othersJustifications after the fact. There was originally going to be something for them, but those plans were scrapped due to constraints, not because the devs didn't want to do them anymore.
>>741786259Zoomers saying this trying to shame them is funny because you're literally on a dead decaying socially irrelevant site
>>741810968Trying to stop the leaders of the Jews from screwing over their own people too instead of only screwing over goyimTheir leaders, the modern descendants of he Pharisees such as the Cohens/Komnenes are still screwing over their own people harder than ever
>>741811152That's a very silly conclusion to come to given He also fulfilled all the mosaic prophecies.
>>741757374>kinda sucksCertainly not the soundtrack and for me, it's Yasunori Mitsuda's best.
>>741811124The kiddos are just tsundere for us at this point. They act one way but they stick around all the same.
>>741796071>billie? never heard of her.
>>741811270Yeah it's probably annoying to see a thread of people fully engaging with the topic and not being able to engage themselves I guess oh well good thread
>>741811117fair, maybe they wouldn't have been omnigears but they would have had a different role, I hypothesize something like Maria being able to hear her father through the Gear, and Emeralda who, when she becomes an adult in the lighthouse, also changes Gear
>>741811220Prophecies are not real, that's just mystical fluff for the gullible. This is a political story given a Hollywood spin of magic and mystery, as they do.
>>741811490>for the gullibleYou mean to say you seriously don't have an answer for Isaiah....?
>>741811329Damn what a sexy robot. I bet she's got a positronic brain just like in my Star Treks
>>741811776>positronic brainAlso Asimov reference, kino
>>741757374More discs wouldn't have made the story good.Nowadays, just enjoy the soundtrack and forget about the game.
>>741812520>More discs wouldn't have made the story good.Correct, it's already good
>>741808228>Disc 2 is acceptable, it treads a ton of ground narratively at the expense of the freedom disc 1 presented in its more traditional JRPG trappingsIf a game has to abandon gameplay for long stretches just to tell its story, then it proves the story was bottlenecked by being a video game and would be better served in another medium.>You continue to argue that it's somehow universal.Where did I claim my taste was universal, retard? All I said was that it's a boring game with shit gameplay, which it is, lol. Are you gonna argue it's not?
>>741809925He's too strong. Regular Sieb is already in par with most of the Omnigears
>>741759583I love the sea!
>BROKEN MIIIIRROOOR A MILLION SHADES OF LIIIIIIGHT
>>741812776Alright, good talk, child anon. Now that we've circled back to willful ignorance I'm gonna go play some games. Please reply to this to bask in the glow of self-assurance.
>>741761280>Such an incredibly ambitious project. I wonder what it would have been like had it all been fully realizedWe're currently finding out.Xenosaga/Xenoblade Chronicles trilogies both covered the content of Episode 1, respectively the destiny of the humans that left Earth and that of the ones that were left behind, and it's likely that Xenoblade Genesis is the beginning of a new trilogy of game that will cover Episode 2.
>>741760130Xenosaga 1 and 3 are okay, 2 is shit. All three are a pile of compromises and concessions that result in sloppy shit similar to the disk 2 situation of xenogears. The beginning and end of Xenosaga 3 has walls of text telling you about events that just didn't make it to production despite being critical to the plot. I enjoyed the games but you're in for a shitshow.
>>741757374it has really heavy and rare themes, i don't know if people want spoiling.It has people pretending to be God, and ruling over others in secret, and mind control experiments, reincarnation, love, heavy stuff.
>>741772163Nope, sorry. All I have is this.
>didn't answer a single question and ran away the second you had to actually talk about the game mechanics. Thanks for admitting you couldn't actually defend the gameplay, lol. Enjoy your visual novel slideshow, unc.
>>741813592NTA but you didn't answer to >>741808930, furthermore, disc 2 was not the original intent, so what does it have to do with the medium? It is not a vision constraint, but purely a production one
>>741813289Yes. I'll finally get my cave men vs. giant robots in ancient Sumeria. Conan the Barbarian is going to fight Gundam Epyon at the beginning of time
>>741781598only in the ass!
>>741813592>anon just wasted his own time entering, partially reading and posting in a thread to try to convince people who like a game to stop liking it>and failed>he now retreats, crying victory as his ass bleeds behind him
>>741798760Saga is alright but ranges depending on each episode. Xenosaga is probably the closes to Gears than anything else. Xenoblade had to be dumbed down for the shounen audience because the director felt his stuff went over too many people's head. Xenoblade is still alright but if you're expecting more serious themes and tones like from Gears and Saga, you might as well forget that. Each blade game also ranges with their own dedicated schizo so be warmed.
>>741798760Xenogears, Xenosaga 3 and Xenoblade 2 are the best games in the xeno series.
Making the mother of all omelettes here, Lacan, can't fret over every egg!
>>741813853>what does it have to do with the medium? It is not a vision constraint, but purely a production oneProduction constraints ARE medium constraints. If you cannot finish your narrative within the actual game because of time/budget, but you COULD easily finish it as an anime or novel, then the medium bottlenecked the story.>disc 2 was not the original intent,You are judging a hypothetical ideal game that doesn't exist, I am judging the actual game that was released on the disc. Stop playing dumb, faggot.
>>741815362i liked disc 2
>>741815597I did, too. I've said this before and I'll say this again. It was basically a 10 hour long ending cutscene and long ass ending cutscenes were the shit back then.
if it had been a book, we wouldn't have Mitsuda's music, if it had been an anime, 200 episodes wouldn't have been enough, it couldn't have been done differently, it's already a miracle that it exists. it is an almost unique case where a story of this kind comes from a large company, all the other games acclaimed for their story are either indie or in any case much smaller in terms of resources, I'm thinking of PST or DE
>>741796071Seraphic Blue had a gun priest with Nixon. Cool guy, pic was one of my favorite scenes.
>>741798760Yeah but Xenosaga 1 is a huge filter. People itt think Gears is boring, I can't imagine people handling Xenosaga 1, or 2's battle system. But I love xenosaga anyway.All Blade games are totally worth playing, even if they overdo the grind a bit (strangely grinding wasn't really a thing in the older series) and even if 3 kinda sucks, it's DLC pays off for me.
>>741757374HIS WHOLE CHILDHOOD WAS FAKE NO WAI!!1
>>741815720meant for >>741815362
>>741815767?
>>741813964>seething this hard and writing walls of text because someone called out your unfinished 1998 visual novel for having garbage gameplay
>>741815746I played through all of xenosaga 1 thinking the only way to use deathblows or whatever the moves were called without having to skip a turn was by spending a ton of skill points to master them. only later I found out there were equips that gave you more ap so you could do it normally but somehow I had missed all of them.
>>741814250I prefer blade in some respects. In the 90s faggy gnosticism was cool and novel, nowadays it makes me roll my eyes a bit. Don't get me wrong the internals and who's and whats and hows are cool but the "bro, we like....made....God...." shit kinda sucks
>>741815767Bzzt. That wasn't the twist with Fei, sorry. It goes further than that.
>>741815737When I think Gun Priest I think Wolfwood from Trigun though I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Been a while since I watched Trigun honestly
>>741815720>if it had been a book, we wouldn't have Mitsuda's music,Just make it a visual novel.>if it had been an anime, 200 episodes wouldn't have been enough,You don't need 200 episodes, lol. Wut the hell are you even basing that number off of?
>>741817218We have to give 4 seasons to the multiple tournament arcs
>>741817218>Just make it a visual novel.>>741807873>You don't need 200 episodes, lol. Wut the hell are you even basing that number off of?yes, it was hyperbolic, I don't even know how difficult it could be to adapt a game as dense as this into an anime
>>741817218I wouldn't accept anything less than 6 cours
