So PS5 pro already dumpsters this piece of shit and PS6 will be twice as powerful, why the fuck would anyone buy this except >muh steam library
>>741757963But if you already have a steam library you already a have a PC thinking emoji
>>741757963>Wtf were they thinking?"Publish the goycube. The goyim will die to defend me online and buy overpriced old laptop parts that can't play modern games that we advertised it will at 4k60fps with literal trannies as the first advertising image."And they were right.
Valve making hardware has always been a fucking disaster, they don't understand vertical integration at all
>>741758034I have a steam library but had a shit laptop, was genuinely considering buying it when it was announced thinking it would cost about 500 bucks but decided that I don't want to wait and buy a monitor and get stuck to it so bought a new laptop for the same price instead. it's not great but literally 1000 times better than what I had.
>>741757963>build computer>parts are expensive>sell computer>it's expensive>wtf how can it be expensive?
>>741757963i might buy one in the future to avoid downgrading further into whatever winjeet version exists at the time, but that won't be for at least another 5+ years.
>>741758442you can build a more powerful machine for less retail than their mass-produced prebuilt, which simply does not make sense since they get significant parts discounts for bulk manufacturing purchases. the only benefit their machine has is that it doesn't run winblows.
>>741758442>build shit computer, with no path to upgrade>advertise it will play games at 4k60fps>can barely play on medium at 1080p>its more expensive than prebuilts in most places in the world, which you can upgrade
lol good luck buying the ps6 once it comes out then surely it'll be less than 1000 or even around the same price
>Do you guys not have money?
>>741758660>>741758681The entire target public of the Gabecube is>the kind of retard who buys prebuilts anyway>richfags who want to have a cool new fancy thing on their living roomIf you already have a good PC you have no reason to care about it.
>>741757963Muh steam library unironically
>>741758778poors wont buy a 1000 machine thats worse than what they can build themselves or find a better prebuiltrichfags wont buy something thats basically worthless in performance.
>>741757963>So PS5 pro already dumpsters this piece of shitA device with no games dumpsters my 2000 game steam library? Huh? lolJust say>this looks interesting but I don't make enough money to buy it
>>741757963it has games worth playing and a lot of them
>>741757963We don't give a shit about your ball and gun games nigger.
>>741758884Richfags can already buy anything they want, why would they only have a silly cube that can't play anything on maximum? The entire point for them is bragging about having something poorfags don't.
>>741758660>custom builds are better than pre-builtsYeah? That's almost always been true.>they get significant parts discounts for bulk manufacturing purchasesKek, they wish.
>>741758886>my 2000 game steam library>1800 hentai puzzle games and humble bundle shovelware>150 games you already played>50 games that run on a toasterwow better spend $1049 on a locked gabecube so I can play Vampire Survivors on the TV, revolutionary stuff bro
>>741758438>t decided that I don't want to wait and buy a monitor and get stuck to it so bought a new laptop for the same price instead.you're a fucking retard lmao
>>741759350>come play our woke leftist games PLEASE Nah
>>741758681But enough about the PS5...
>>741757963>So PS5 pro already dumpsters this piece of shitthis argument is so fucking retarded. I wouldn't start buying ps5 games if it was 200 dollars. because I'm never paying goytax to play online, and I'm never getting financially invested in a walled garden again. I'm not gonna buy this thing, but it's funny how most of the coverage about it is deceptive and negative. the ps5 is like 1000 bucks right now. the price difference is negligable, but not being trapped inside a hell of sony or nintendo's choosing is worth it if you don't have a great pc
this thing is going to struggle at 1080@60 who is going to hook this up to their 75" tv
>buy a steam machine>can do whatever the fuck i want with it>buy a console>can only buy from their marketplace, and need to pay for internetthe steam machine pays for itself after 5 years of not having to pay for using your own internet and 90% off steam sales
>>741757963There won't be a PS6, anon. This is the end of times.
>>741759834consolefags
>>741759753ps5 is even worse than goycube since you have to pay for internet and games for even even more locked down box, but the goycube is closer to it than an actual pc lol.
>>741757963It's like a console but actually good.
>>741757963It's better than PS5 because then you aren't trapped by sony. Extra cost is worth it.
Would people buy this or that Xbox handheld instead?
>>741757963It's an entry-level PC for retards and tech illiterates
>>741759683Ghost of yotei was decent and not woke. just saying.
>>741759939Too bad you'll be able to play nothing made after 2020 on it
>>741757963>and PS6 will be twice as powerfuland what do you propose it be made out of? sunhine and rainbows?
>>741757963>PS6 will be twice as powerfulJesus Christ... Remember when generational jumps were 10x?Snoys will pay $900 for PS5 Pro then another $900 for PS6 a year later for just 2x more power
>>741758660You can make it for ~200 less which isn't that big of a difference between prebuilt and DIY. Compare to Alien Ware where the difference could be almost 1k at times.
>>741760973The difference is much bigger than that. Not just because you will get better performing parts but you can't upgrade the Steam Machine.
>>741757963Steam actually has games
>>741760893It is so dishonest arguing with the most expensive (still cheaper) option. The average PS5 user bought their system between $400 and $500 and plays modern AAA titles for years to come on it. You buy this for $1200 and it struggles even in 1080p on modern titles and it can't play multiplayer titles with anti cheat - which are among the top played games on every platform. Multiplayer is free... for the games nobody plays.If you want to use the Pro (which most people bought for $700) which absolutely destroys the Steam Machine (allow me to remind you the equivalent option is $1400) it is even worse. All while the PS6 will be very likely still cheaper than the Steam Machine.
>>741757963Every time I said it would be around $1200 Someone here called me a retard. Whose retarding now?
>>741761325ps5 has no games nigger
>>741761439Asking 4chan to take responsibility is pointless. I did expect it to be $1000 but Valve outdid themselves.My only reward is MLID losing his fucking shit when he realized he was pushing delusional pricing for a year.>I did this for work, it will be $500!!
>>741757963>PS6Should we tell him
>>741761493The Steam Machine has negative games then because it can't play multiplats you can on PS.
>>741757963okay well my pc is 6 years old (has a 2060) and is dying so i'm buying a cube to replace it because there wasn't a single good triple a game in the last 6 yearsthere's no good reason why i shouldn't buy it
>>741761325>it struggles even in 1080p on modern titlesSame with the ps5 >it can't play multiplayer titles with anti cheat you can install windows on it >still cheapereveryone knows consoles are cheaper, but in return you get a machine that runs games like dogshit in addition to being locked behind a console ecosystem which you can as being forced to love corporate cock
>>741761578your ball and gun woke slop? keep it
>>741761675>your ball and gun woke slop? keep itflushed that brown stain
>>741760650it's called 1080p medium settingsbasically what the PS5 is doing
>>741758442You can buy a PC that performs better than the Steam Machine for just $800. The Steam Machine isn't worth more than $700 unless you think SteamOS should cost $300 per copy.>>741759939Apparently you can now install Linux on a PS5 and use it as a desktop PC.
>>741761936Anon I suggest you wake up and look at the prices for everything. They've basically quadrupled in price since you fell asleep.
>>741761936>You can buy a PC that performs better than the Steam Machine for just $800.that wasn't even true 3 months ago when i looked
ITT:>projection>seething>lies>propagandaEven normies will see this is a good device - a portable computer with built-in emulators that can run literally everything for 1080p gaming? For a grand? Did I mention you can pirate on that thing?>b-b-but muh PS5Kill yourselves consoleniggers - Shlomo Shekelberg is behind this smear campaign, they still mad about the Rothschild thing
>>741757963Just play your porn games and stop thinking so much, mmkay?
>>741762347>Kill yourselves consoleniggers - Shlomo Shekelberg is behind this smear campaign, they still mad about the Rothschild thingnot to mention some people definitely don't want a new os to become popular
It's an experiment by the Amerifat corporate elite to see how much they can price hardware and get away with it.
>>741757963YOU'RE POOR AND BROWN GO GET A JOB INSTEAD OF SHITTING ON BASED BILLIONAIRE
>>741762665this but unironically
>>741761672>an $1200 Steam Machine performs roughly the same as the $400 PS5>you can install windows on it except it will kill the little performance it had before so you really can't>you get a more expensive hardware you can't upgrade, locked to linux/steam or it will be perform worse than a laptop but at least you can't even multipayer game on it which even a basic bitch $100 PS4 can
>>741762716>$400 PS5
>>741762347>that can run literally everything for 1080p gaming?How fast did this go from 4K60 in everything to 1080p low maybe 60 if the title is not too new. Bro, Valve went to play with the big boys and got raped. This box is targeting the living room with 4K TVs and all it can bring to the table is roughly equal performance to the PS5 without the support the PS5 has. For twice the price. Sane PCfags see it for what it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40c47ncf9jEWho is this device for? It is more expensive and has hard issues (like anti cheat) for the console audience. The enthusiast PC audience has better rigs or can make better for less. Who is left? The casuals who want RGBshit and RTX is their religion?
>>741762812Yes the majority of PS5 users bought it for that much. What is the argument here? If I buy a brand new PS5 it will just cost half as much now than the Machine? And can play multiplayer games which the Machine can't?
>>741759683>pc has no woke leftist gameslol
>>741762126>>741762315It is a fact in EU. The Steam Machine is 1100€ here but it's weaker than any 800€-900€ PC you can buy in an average tech store.
>>741758886>A device with no games dumpsters my 2000 game steam library? Huh? loldefending a low spec gaming PC over a more powerful console just because it's PC and not console. You're a cultist. Show some of your games. I bet they're all toaster games.
>$1000+ for a console larper with a 500gb drive that can't play GTA VI in November Are Steamies really defending this?
>>741758160I am so glad that tranny image exists. Now all the fanboys on /v/ HAVE to hate the machine. They don't even get a choice.
>>741757963You keep comparing it to the Pro but do you retards not realize that it is weaker than a normal PS5? The Pro just blows it out of the water.
>>741760614Wrong.
>>741762898>4K60They probably meant with upscaling and fake frames, but forgot to mention it.
>>741758404Worse entry than Microsoft. Elon makes an ai within months while gaben can't make a console within 20 or so years.
>>741763198Elon has never made anything.
Do niggergoygolemcattle ITT really not understand that the price wasn't supposed to be $1,000+tax+tip to begin with, and that it turned out that way only because of (((AI))), and that Sony sells the consoles at a loss in order to make a profit from exclusives?
>>741757963It reminds me of the early Xbox One marketing. They tried to make it the only box in the living room you need and they thought people were going to buy it for that. It worked for the PS3 because it had something recently new, the bluray support.Who is going to buy a steam machine? It's not even in the typical stores only order on steam so it simply can't compete with other living room consoles. let alone the high price for a weak hardware.
>>741757963>ay gibs me dat gaymen pc fo free
>>741763065ok well in australia it's literally better value than any pccasegear prebuilt so it's literally the best value possible here
>>741763224>and that it turned out that way only because of (((AI))),because there was limited supply for a product and ai cared more about paying more to get their hardware than anyone else*cope you retard inbred commie
>>7417628981080p on Ultra :) With the same specs you can hit 140+ FPS easy on World of Assassination. Or you can run unoptimized slop like Stalker 2, your choice.It's an entry gadget - why are you comparing the 1K Cube to a 3K tower? Also the PS5 is a console, completely irrelevant compared to a PC (browsing, streaming, gaming, music etc. etc.) Consoles are dead in the water & they know it. The YT shills are also irrelevant - if a man's paycheck depends on him lying, the truth is irrelevant (no game out there needs more than 16RAM/ 8VRAM, and the processor is equivalent to a Ryzen 7600; I ran 350 mods on FO4 with a lower level one, smoothly :)
>>741763205His minions did. He claims he is or was the cto of spacex. It's possible that no one wanted to work with him back then and he had to do it himself.
>>741757963because there is a difference between sony and valve.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efub89RMgvQ
>>741763367Yeah, Sony sells gadgets at a loss & makes up the difference with passes, exclusives, mtxs etc. Valve is based, for their gadget is at production price (just the storage 2TB SSD is 400 euro, come on), and every single consumer won - it runs Steam, Epic, Origin, Battlenet, Playstation, Xbox, whatever you bought basically. The portability alone is an immense plus, you can put that thing in a backpack, or a bag, and sync it with any periphery.
>>741763105>AI frogposter thirsting for GTApaid troll: the post
>>741763161It can't do framegen.>forgot
>>741763346>consoles are dead>just buy the more expensive and less powerful PC to play the same games but at lower than console settings
I already have a gaming PC, PS5, and Switch 2. I shan't be buying.
>>741763583same specs run titles that came out yesterday on Very High to Ultra, 1080p, 80+ FPS - stop lying
>>741763631p.s. talking about things like Gothic Remake, Crimson Desert, RE9, Pragmata etc. - mucho happening on screen = needs mucho powerThe Cube has it.
>>741763582Even my 3200G can do framegen with Lossless Scaling.
I boughted one because I’m not a poorfag
>>741763691post it
>>741763631>stop lying >It's just like a PS5 Pro yo
How accurate is this?>top is ranked based on performance
>>741763705Forza? My God, I forgot where I am for a second - sure, use it for 4K goyslop, who am I to judge
>I JUST BOUGHT A STEAM MACHINE AND I DON'T INTEND TO BUY ONE STEAM GAME AND WILL JUST PLAY MY EPIC FREEBIES. WATCHA THINK ABOUT THAT GABE BISH?
>>741763769>using it toi play new games at the native resolution of your TV doesn't count.
>>741759834>faster than a PS5So you admit that PS5 isn't capable of 1080p now?
>>741763814of course it counts, you just have shit taste :)
>>741758442this /threadif you don't like PC or already have a PC or want an even better PC, who cares??? Valve isn't forcing you to buy it.it's a cheap shitty entry PC you don't have to put together yourself
>>741763851we all saw the Star Wars: Fallen Order PS5 benchmarks - Snoy shills are a fuckin joke.
>>741763905I'm using the benchmarks supplied off the internet. I don't have a Steambox. My taste had nothing to do with the post. Stupid fuck
Why would I buy a PS6 to play my steam games? Are you retarded? Xbox maybe, but not PS6.
>>741763942>we all saw PC Dragon's Dgoma 2 and Last of Us benchmarks. PC shills are a fuckin joke.
>>741763906It's only the weird playstation people that care, they're threatend by it for some reason (why?) so they're making all sorts of threads trying to diss it.I imagine most of them are the Helldivers audience.
>>741757963GABEN NEEDS ANOTHER SUPER YACHT YOU FUCKING STEAM DRONES WILL BE HONORED BY THE PRIVILEGE TO FUND IT.
>>741763981Ok, I'll play TLOU part 1 Remastered TODAY & see what's this about the benchmark :)
>>741764005you mean after they fixed it. Just like they fixed your star wars game?
>>741761635One good reason is its barely more powerful than your 2060At least get a real PC brother like thishttps://www.newegg.com/stormcraft-sirius-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-5060-intel-core-i5-14400f-16gb-ddr4-1tb-ssd-si1440fbb-560n2/p/N82E16883420040And its cheaper too
>>741763506nah, I'm not buying valves sob story of no manufacturer willing to sell to them. because every manufacturer knows valve is just trying to break into the dying console market of playstation and xbox living room gaming device fixtures instead of making an actual desktop/laptop class pc. even devices like the mac mini already exists, valve just wants their egotistical device out in the market that goes against what a pc should reasonably have and then act like the manufactures are running a cartel, thats another thing but they know full well what the fuck valve is trying to do and won't commit to long term supply because this is a fucked up project with shit offerings to begin with. a 1 year warranty WORLDWIDE apart from forced country regulations means they expect this "starter DESKTOP pc" to last 2 YEARS or 3 YEARS TOPS. NO MANUFACTER would back this up unless they want their own reputation to be dragged down this shithole as well.
>>741764275but since i'm not expecting dd3 in the next 6 years why would i even care, odds are there might be a monster hunter or a souls game that would run perfectly fine 60fps at lower settings and besides that i'm probably only going to be playing old gamesi'm literally just playing old crpgs now and when i'm bored of that i've been eyeing a bunch of those eurojank diablo-likes/gothic-likesand above everything else i want to support a new os that isn't being developed by the jeets at microsoft and this is the best way to vote with my money
>>741763346How many FPS can you hit in Fortnite? See, I can do cherry picking too.>the truth is irrelevantYou mean the truth of Linux still being irrelevant in the PC market, Steam Machine being irrelevant in the PC market and nobody cares about the opinion of someone who argues with old ass games which any dirt cheap used workstation can run anyway?
>>741764339So wipe the PC and put steamos on it dipshit
>>741764392>spend your money on a windows product sending the signal to the seller that windows products sells ensuring they continue to do business with windows jeetsno thanks sukdeek i'm not spending another cent on anything windows
>>741758778>>the kind of retard who buys prebuilts anywaythat kind of person is walking into walmart and buying one, they aren't going to go through the process of getting into the steam randomized queue to see if they can get one in the first place because they don't even have a steam account in the first placebasically everything surrounding the cult cube is fucking asinine
>>741764479My dick isnt windows
>>741764017thought we were talking about performance - TLOU should be a fairly demanding game, 100GB after all
>>741764345you can replace the OS -__- same specs (but with a worse processor) run Gothic Remake, the unoptimized UE5 slop, at 60FPS on Very High, 1080p.The Steam Machine is irrelevant to anyone who 's built his own PC, but it can run almost everything. Personally, I don't play racing games (or Fortnite), but something like High on Life 2 runs smooth too.
Reminder that the Steam machine at the lowest price does not come with a controller so you'll have to cough up more money for one.
>>741758660Pre built computers have always been more expensive than DIY. The only time you're paying less for prebuilt is if you're getting scammed somehow. Or they are unloading unpopular inventory.
The current price of this cube is $400, if I delete linux shit, will I get $600 back?
>>741757963>PS6 will be twice as powerfulThere will be no PS6. Instead PS5 will just keep getting more expensive.
Muh steam library seems a pretty good reason. I don't know why people are comparing it to shitty consoles, it's the existence of standard computers in the same price range at the same power that makes this a questionable purchase.
>>741765713people are going to be fucking rocked in 2 decades when there's a bunch of normies with sizeable libraries instead of only just nerds who have been using it since half life and suddenly the steam machine 3 becomes a massively more valuable proposition to customers when they get to immediately transfer their entire libraries over seamlesslythe only reason no one talks about it now is because most people like that have been locked in on pc forever
Buying a steam machine as a pc gamer is like buying a ps4 when you already have a ps5 pro. Its only appeal would be to people who only play on consoles to move to pc gaming.
>>741757963Anyone who still uses a console is retarded. Consoles have become nothing but abusive piles of shit. The reason consolewarriors even care about trying to trash the steam machine to begin with is because deep down they know that.
>>741766149>anyone who still uses a console is retarded ..... pic is the price I paid vs the price I'd pay now.
>>741766837finally an investment better than housing for all those chinese, i love ai now
>>741766837why do tech companies give their products retarded fucking edgy brand names like "vengeance" its a fucking computer part. do people not feel embarrassed to buy this shit? they're clearly marketing towards retards
>>741767116it's my vengeance against the water supply of an african village (my ancestors are smiling)
>>741758660>you can build a more powerful-For $200 less and you're paying with your time and the final build will be 10x bigger than the Steam Machine
As someone with a steam deck OLED this is dogshit value because even when the argument is "well you can play a lot more games on PC than a console", you'd normally have a semi decent PC enough to play what's not on the fucking console anyways.
>>741767290The Steam Deck was a miracle on release. It cost half as much as everything else with comparable specs. Ayaneo, GPD Win and others got completely fucked over because of how expensive they were in comparison. People expected the Steam Machine to do the same.
>>741767495I think people had some dogshit expectations considering current hardware pricing and how there were multiple articles on them being concerned about that. Plus the steam controller price. Plus the deck restock pricing. There was no way this was going to cost less than a grand.Conceptually the steam deck was better because it was a handheld PC. This is just a PC. It's smaller, but it's still just something that was readily available always and just now is becoming outrageously expensive to build. It's not even the first tiny PC, there's absolutely nothing remarkable about this, and they've already tried this whole thing before and failed. This is easily the most pointless product in their new hardware lineup.
>>741757963>PS6 will be twice as powerful,I want to see Sony try and negotiate RAM prices.
>>741765796It is really nice to be able to play the 400 games in my library with cloud saving without paying an extra dime between my PC and deck, that's for sure.The problem is the hardware is anemic. 3 years from now there's no trickery you will be able to do to make some games even playable on that.
>>741763732>Steam Machine better than Xbox S and Switch2, worse than PS5 Slim but more expensive than Xbox X and PS5 ProMy sides...
>>741767116>anon has a melty of the name of a DDR5 memory stick lol medication time
>>741763732not accurate at all, due to the single channel ram the cultcube is going to perform worse than the switch 2 (on handheld mode mind you) on most gamesnot even the benefits like "mods" are true when modding games on troonix+proton is a goddamn nightmare
>>741768672tendie, channels don't take off 50% of the performance, more like 10% in cpu bound scenarios at mostyou shouldn't be talking, your tendie toy has a complete ewaste cpu that runs at 1ghz and gets beaten by old phones
>>741760614Everytime you Sonyfags say a game is good and not woke, its always>Filled to the brim with sections where you walk around while someone exposition dumps on you>Following yellow paint trails and shimmying on ledges/crawling through crevices>Has gay and lesbian romances>Lots of sections where you pick up items highlighted by your witcher sense while your character talks to themselves.
>>741768784Pretty much every single tech eceleb agrees single channel RAM massively harms performance lol, especially because it makes games stuttery messes.
>>741768672>not even the benefits like "mods" are true when modding games on troonix+proton is a goddamn nightmareI've been modding my games just fine on the 'eck. It's literally the same as on windows.
>>741757963>Wtf were they thinking?Nothing in particular beyond the usual "The shiteaters are going to eat shit". It's Valve.
>>741769146https://youtu.be/_nMu1KFkOC4yeah, massive
>>741767156You can buy more powerful prebuilts.Hell, for around the same price as the machine you can buy a far more powerful mini PC with a smaller footprint.
The expected it to be a slam dunk at $500-$700No one knew hardware prices would force it to release at $1200 and be a total flopDespite that, when you consider the vast steam library and steam sales, it's still the best console on the market
>>741769782It was going to be 750 starting price, which still would have made it a poor value without the RAM crisis. If it launched in 2023 it may have been interesting, but in 2026 it was always going to be a joke with those specs and abysmal performance. They simply spec'd it wrong in the first place.
For the same price as a Steam machine I can get a prebuilt with a>Ryzen 7 5700X>RTX 5060 Ti>32 GiB>Windows licensefrom my local MediaMarkt and if it breaks then I can just bring it back to store and get a new one on the same day.
>>741770493>5060tilol 8gb on nvidia
>>741758034My ps library is still bigger. I switched to steam during covid
>>741758660The Steam Machine is small, quiet, and discrete. It fits under your TV without looking out of place. Its fan noises won't disturb your family in your living room. Should you or your wife not wish to announce your video gaming hobby to every guest you have over, a Steam Machine won't attract their attention the way a PS5 or self built more powerful PC will.These features may be completely worthless to you. In that case, you would be wise to build a more powerful machine for less. If you use a discrete AMD graphics cards, you can even run SteamOS on it.
>>741758742My mum, MA, maw, and mommy all are saving onto it for me, they pwomised.I expected more gifted subs and GAMEPASS
>>741770904>It fits under your TV without looking out of place. Its fan noises won't disturb your family in your living room. Should you or your wife not wish to announce your video gaming hobby to every guest you have over, a Steam Machine won't attract their attention the way a PS5 or self built more powerful PC will.How much of a normalfaggot do you have to be to care about any of this?
>>741771502My theory is that Valve is attempting to expand its market share by targeting the Steam Machine at normalfags. Their existing market is better served by the hardware it currently uses, like self built PCs.
>>741770659Damn.
I thought graphics don't matter?
>>741771860they failed imo because nothing about it feels attractive to any normalfag I know, neither price nor performance...
>>741767824The Steam Deck restock price was only released a week or two before the Steam Machine was released. And even with the current PC and gaming laptop prices the Steam Machine is vastly overpriced. So people thinking it would be a $700-$850 device for the past 6 months aren't that retarded. It's just that nobody expected Valve to take a much bigger cut than any other company making pre-builds. The fucking StarForge PCs are already a ripoff and yet their $1300 model is a much better deal than the Steam Machine. The Playnix Console costs $1150 and it has a GPU that is twice as powerful as the one in the Steam Machine. There's a high chance that $900 PCs in your local tech shops are more powerful than the Steam Machine, as those are usually paired with an RTX 5050 or RX 7600 instead of the shitty RX 7600M.The "value" that the Steam Machine has over prebuilds is SteamOS, small size and low TDP. Most people don't value these things at all compared to performance, so the $1000+ Steam Machine is a worthless product at this point.The reason why Steam Decks were as successful as they were is because they were not only 30%-60% cheaper than the competition, but also delivered better performance per W.
>>74177215485% slop?
>>741772810>The "value" that the Steam Machine has over prebuilds is SteamOSLollmao even
>>741763161even with FSR it isn't doing anywhere near 4k60 in most titles. It actually defaults to 1080p when gaming because of this.The specs are a joke. It's last gen hardware for next gen prices.
>>741769692Bullshit.
>>741769325>It's Valve.The ones easily in the top two or three best, most consumer friendly companies in the industry?
>>741766837Consoles don't have 64gb of ram. They have 16 at most.
>>741758884You dont know rich people
>>741774471pfffttt HAHAHHHAHA okay buddy
>>741774552That's 128gb of ram.
>>741761936Why don't you buy a PC that performs better than the Steam Machine for just $800, install SteamOS on it, buy a Steam Controller 2, and sell your console bundle for $999?
>>741774696the 2000 ultra vain richfags who would buy it just to have it wont save this shit product
How do you repair it? Can you just send it back or will the Geek Squad be qualified to fix it?What is the warranty?
>>741774709Name a better one, I dare you. And if you don't say GOG, you're retarded and deluded.
>>741761936>Apparently you can now install Linux on a PS5 and use it as a desktop PC.no you can'tfor that you specifically need an old firmware console so it means you never connected it online and can't play newer games on ityou also need a dedicated fucking router to even do it and the method of booting linux is humiliating
>>741774869GOG
>>741769943Even back then they would have been releasing it as prices were increasing. It's not just RAM, RAM is just one of several obscenely overpriced components at this point. If they had released this around the time they launched the Steam Deck, it probably would've been $500.
>>741774895Good. Now who's the second?
>>741763105Not steamie but>frog cancer
>>741774471>consumer friendly>Valve
>>741774720Thanks, didn't see he bought x2, but should've known at that price. My point got bolstered.
>>741775056itch
>>741775123>better refunds than all consoles>lighter and less restrictive drm than all consoles>better feature set than consoles, gog, epic and itchyes
>>741757963>Wtf were they thinking?>2023>woah cheap dumpster hardware from amd>lets do what we did with the steam deck again>gets ass raped sam and the ram cartel>well I guess we'll just kill itif valve was serious about the steam machine they would have released it earlier, or just eat the cost to gain a massive install base. they choose to do neither and lost.
>>741773078Like it or not it's a better experience than Windows if your intention is playing games and having a simple desktop OS you can go to. There's a reason why Windows handhelds aren't a thing while Linux and Android handhelds are extremely widespread.
>>741773787Its a 1080p machine, the rx7600 was always aimed at that res. Valve are retards for even mentioning 4k. The big problem with it is that they are starving the chips which is killing the performance.
>>741775270>>better refunds than all consolesThey did this to counter and give benefits over buying from key sites. >>lighter and less restrictive drm than all consolesDRM is irrelevant on console. >>better feature set than consoles, gog, epic and itchBeing able to play games is a priority to a game machine, something which consoles do better.
>>741775393Delusional
>>741775402it's an rx7600M anyway, it's quite literally laptop specs inside the thing. No idea what their engineers were thinking to waste so much time and effort building a tiny mainboard for such dogshit specs.
>>741775175Itch isn't bad, but it's not as good as Valve. Even GOG is highly debatable. Itch barely exists and doesn't really benefit consumers in any meaningful way. They're more neutral than anything. You could've definitely chosen far worse though.
>>741763705Why is DRS off? PS5 doesn't render native 4k.
>>741775514>Itch isn't bad, but it's not as good as ValveStopped reading right there.You are a complete idiot.
>>741775528So they could match the image quality. They can't count pixels if the pixel amount changes every frame
>>741775123Yes, but nice try.
Can we just stop defending shit because someone produced a bigger log?Really getting tired of this "wow, shit tastes great since I realised that this other pile smells worse"It's like a literal hellscape watching you guys gobble feces and pretending to love it because the shiteater next to you might have it worse.
>>741775682Native 4k isn't the same image quality as 4k with DRS tho lol. One of these systems is running DRS, you can't turn it off on PS5.
>>741775440Valve literally made the most popular x86 handheld. Windows handhelds aren't as popular as Linux and Android ones since Linux/Android handhelds are almost always dirt cheap ($50-$400). The fucking ROG Ally sold less than 1 million units.
>>741775430>They did this to counter and give benefits over buying from key sites.And yet they facilitate those very keysites to begin with by handing out tons of free keys where Valve gets no cut.>DRM is irrelevant on console. Consoles are literally DRM where you have zero control or freedom and console manufacturers reserve the right to brick your system in whole or in part for not playing by their rules. They are prison boxes where you don't even own the console itself anymore.>Being able to play games is a priority to a game machine, something which consoles do better.Right, because 2% of the library for higher prices with worse performance, paid online, so on and so forth is better in bizarro world.
>>741774835??? anyone ???
>>741775542Explain why. Is itch freeing us all from Windows for free or something? Itch is mostly known for massive amounts of shovelware, whether you want to accept that or not.
>>741763105steamweanies are SEETHING lmao
>>741775430>They did this to counter and give benefits over buying from key sites. >here's why this good thing that steam completely rapes consoles on doesn't matterlmao>DRM is irrelevant on console. on the contrarydrm is irrelevant on steam because it limits you very little and it's when you want to give the game to someoneeven then, it's bypassed in 30 secondsdrm on consoles starts limiting you the moment you launch the fucking game and it's much harder to get rid of and results in your console being permanently altered>Being able to play games is a priority to a game machine, something which consoles do better.ah yes, features don't matter because i said they don't matterlook retard, if that were true then epic wouldn't be failing and pc wouldn't be rivalling all consoles combinedservice matters and consoles lose at it
>>741776005It's extremely obvious you don't even know what itch is, your nonsense is painful to read and I'm not going to bother replying to your retarded opinions. It's an open platform for indies and it has a shitload of linux native games on there; the prices are cheaper; refunds are more generous; it's DRM-free; need I go on?Last (You) you'll get from me retard so spend it wisely.
>>741774835Within reason for a system with an APU it is extremely repairable and you can easily swap out things like RAM and storage.
>>741776145I know what itch is and I'm saying none of that is as good as what Valve has done. You would have known that if you actually read my post. And again, itch is known for shovelware more than anything else, whether you want to accept that or not.
I just don't get why they would lock the cpu to 30 w tdp when it can do more and they have the headroom to increase it.https://youtu.be/8W-bohOHpEc
>>741775939>Consoles are literally DRM where you have zero control or freedom and console manufacturers reserve the right to brick your system in whole or in part for not playing by their rules. They are prison boxes where you don't even own the console itself anymore.Consoles aren't a PC. There's no reason to want to fuck with files in a console. You click a button and you play games. That's it. >Right, because 2% of the library for higher prices with worse performanceConsole costs less and plays games better. >paid onlinewhich includes a 300-400 game library. So for the price of 2-3 PC games you get 300+ games. Stop being a little bitch
>>741776407the sole redeeming quality of consoles is appealing to tech illiterate morons and childrenthat's itthey have nothing elsedo you count yourself in that audience?>Console costs less and plays games better. no, at this point building a pc is on par with consolesand no, it doesn't play games better if you get less fucking functionality>which includes a 300-400 game library. So for the price of 2-3 PC games you get 300+ games. then pirate you impoverished goy?
>>741776407>There's no reason to want to fuck with files in a console.Except things like modding, freely transferring your games to new hardware you actually want and use, and making backups for preservation.>Console costs less and plays games better. Consoles are far more expensive in the long run and play games worse.>which includes a 300-400 game library. So for the price of 2-3 PC games you get 300+ games.And PC comes with all those games for free. You're still being charged to use your own internet like a total sucker. They know you're easy to abuse, so they abuse you.
>>741757963>Wtf were they thinking?No fucking idea, it seems to me they made every wrong choice when given the opportunity.The hardware is outdated and underpowered, considering the specs it should have launched in 2024 not now. They make retarded statements like "we're selling it at the cost of parts + labour" when it's clearly overpriced when you look at the alternatives .Gaming laptops, prebuilts or even just buying each part individually and assembling a PC, any option you choose will give you more for less.They went with single channel RAM, though at some point there was conflicting information leading people to think it's a fucking gatcha game what you'll get.You can't even get it actually, there's a raffle or whatever for the chance to buy one lmao. They had years to prepare yet SteamOS on the Machine is buggy and keeps referencing the Deck. I could go on, but the whole launch is so amateurish and ridiculous. I pity the fools who didn't build a PC last year opting to wait for the Machine instead.
>>741774471>>>most consumer friendly companies>non-transferable DRM>playtime-dependant refund policy>takes a huge cut from developersOnly looks good compared to consoles.Compared to other online stores (GOG, Humble, Itch, GameJolt, etc.) it's anti-consumer garbage.The new Steam Machine hardware is also anti-consumer garbage>non-upgradeable CPU/GPU>ripoff pricetag>lied about it being "desktop class" components>lottery over whether you get dual-channel or single-channel memoryI applaud Valve for what they've been doing with Proton & SteamOS, but their consumer practices for products are shit as of late.
>>741776128>lmaoYou can literally sell games you're done with on console. >drm on consoles starts limiting you the moment you launch the fucking game and it's much harder to get rid of and results in your console being permanently alteredhow?What is the DRM doing to stop you from playing the game?>ah yes, features don't matter because i said they don't matterYes. People buy consoles to play games. If they wanted to do computer stuff they'd use a tablet, a phone, a PC or whatever. A console plays games better than the Steambox for less money. Nobody buys a console to browse ebay,
>>741776693>You can literally sell games you're done with on console.ok, sell digital then>how?What is the DRM doing to stop you from playing the game?mods? settings options? choice of hardware? any customisation at all?you have none of it>Yes. People buy consoles to play games.retarded people buy consoles to play gamescattle that should be confined to menial labour, they don't deserve entertainment
>>741776631 >Except things like modding, freely transferring your games to new hardware you actually want and use, and making backups for preservation.Why would I want to mod anything? I can back up games to an NVME or USB drive and remove it if I wanted to save it. >Consoles are far more expensive in the long run and play games worse.Than what? Steambox? They don't. >And PC comes with all those games for freeif you pirate them? Everything is free if you rob it you stupid fuck.
>>741776795>ok, sell digital thenYou're not forced to use digital. If you want to sell your games you buy them on disc. Stop being retarded. >mods? settings options? choice of hardware? any customisation at all?It's a console. none of that matters at all. You're assigning PC attributes to a box designed to play games. >you have none of itbecause it's not required to play games. >retarded people buy consoles to play gamesOh here we go. PCMR faggot with his bargain basement pc has come to tell me what a wonderful gaming experience he has.
>>741764275>ddr4are you retarded?
>>741776650Humble literally wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Valve handing out keys like candy and GameJolt is a social media platform barely even in the same market. GOG and itch are mostly just about being DRM free, but valve doesn't mandate drm either and as a result they attract far more devs and publishers to pc and they've basically made their own drm as easy to crack as possible if a dev or publisher chooses to use it. Funding and developing things like proton and fex is far better for consumers than a double edged anti-drm stance.The steam machine is sold at cost and is made to be as open and repairable as possible for something with an apu. It is desktop class components. Ram is completely outside of their control. Is it worth buying the system? Hell no, but that's not valve's fault.
>>741758660Prebuilts always cost more than the one you can built with no warranty.
>>741776845>Why would I want to mod anything?Because you like video games? Why do you ask retarded questions? God console shills are as stupid as they are disingenuous.
>>741777112>You're not forced to use digital. If you want to sell your games you buy them on disc. Stop being retarded. ok? if you're so impoverished that you're considering selling games you would just pirate and pay nothing>It's a console. none of that matters at all. You're assigning PC attributes to a box designed to play games. it objectively gives you shittier and more limited versions of gamesthe only reason you don't care is because you're equally intellectually limited yourself, faggot>because it's not required to play games. imagine coming to /v/ and advocating for a bare minimum experience and less featuresgenuine goycattle>Oh here we go. PCMR faggot with his bargain basement pc has come to tell me what a wonderful gaming experience he has.funny how consolecucks turn to estrogenated cattiness when called out that their boxes are made to target fucking idiots
>>741758660I doubt that the steam machine is mass-produced, and definitely not enough to get a bulk discount comparable to the one mainstream consoles can get.
>>741777214>double edged anti-drm stance.How is anti-DRM in any way a double-edged stance to take?>The steam machine is sold at costNo it fucking isn't. Not even close.>repairable as possible for something with an apuIt doesn't use an APU, it's a discrete CPU/GPU soldered to the mainboard> Is it worth buying the system? Hell no, but that's not valve's fault.The dogshit specs are absolutely Valve's fault though, and it's the biggest problem with the product. They spent to much wasted time and effort on designing a picoITX mainboard that it never occurred to them that laptop components in a psuedo-console is a dogshit concept for a product anyway. Even without the RAM crisis, this thing releasing in jan 2026 at $750+ would sitll be a complete joke. The design is not easy to repair at all, Valve has even admitted as much that they're struggling to figure out how to document the repair process since the internals are so compact and complicated.It's just a dumb product through-and-through.
>>741775962They're working with iFixit to provide spare parts and repair guides. You can repair it yourself, or you can send it to a random local repair shop. GamersNexus did an improvised disassembly video if you're interested in the internals.>>741777203DDR4 doesn't provide a significant performance impact in almost any game compared to what a better GPU would. Downgrading to DDR4 RAM while upgrading your GPU from Steam Machine's RX7600M to an RTX5050 (let alone the RTX5060 that the anon linked) would be an overall net benefit in gaming performance. At the end of the day it's the performance that matters, not some random tech spec.It's similar to how some mobilefags prefer buying $300 refurbished flagship phones for gaming instead of an overpriced (weaker) current gen $500 midrange phone.
>>741777365 >ok? yes. if you're so impoverished that you're considering selling games you would just pirate and pay nothingI don't pirate. I don't sell my games. You jumped on the "get games for free on PC". You're the poorfag. >it objectively gives you shittier and more limited versions of gamesThe games aren't any different to the PC versions. >imagine coming to /v/ and advocating for a bare minimum experience and less featuresThe games play the same as PC. >funny how consolecucks turn to estrogenated cattiness when called out that their boxes are made to target fucking idiotsConsoles are for playing games on. You seem to think your PC is some kind of status symbol, but it’s not. It probably not as impressive as you believe. You come across as someone trying to justify their existence online by clinging to the only thing they that holds even a little value.
>>741772810>The "value" that the Steam Machine has over prebuilds is SteamOS, small size and low TDP.It would be fine if1. Mini ITX builds didn't exist (and sure they're more costly, but it's small potatoes when you consider other components nowadays)2. SteamOS wasn't just linux with a few adjustments to make it "immutable", and they didn't just release it for everyone to install on AMD builds anyways3. Low TDP mattered on a desktop, if you're the type to put $1k on such a weak machine you're probably not that bothered about your electricity bill though I guess it depends on where you live as wellIt's hard to value these things in the first place. They made sure to put something out there that has barely any incentive. It's too pricey, a lot of people already have machines that aren't much weaker, specially people who already have a sizeable steam account. It just bewilders me why they decided to push this forward. Sure the $900 decks ran out of stock quickly, but I highly doubt this will be "successful".They can subsidize it too. They're bullshitting their way out of this like they can't do it because they can't just make money from software, but they do, and take a fair (for them) cut. They should at the very least cut it down by $200.
>>741777827>I don't pirate. I don't sell my games. You jumped on the "get games for free on PC". You're the poorfag.you're the one that's bringing up the cost of games faggotit objectively doesn't get better than that economically, talking about your plastic is cope>The games aren't any different to the PC versions. mods? settings options? choice of hardware? any customisation at all?you have none of iti told you already, just because you go nuh uh and plug your ears doesn't mean you don't get less due to your cuckbox drm>Consoles are for playing games on. consoles are for playing games on for retards with double digit iqthey have NOTHING outside of the appeal to retards
>>741777773>DDR4 doesn't provide a significant performance impactDDR4 would have a massive performance impact. Even if they used the best 1600MHz DDR4, it'd still be a lot slower than the 2800MHz DDR5 they use. Specially if they were forced to use the same 1 stick configuration rather than dual channel. But even in dual channel the 1600MHz DDR4 is just keeping up for what is probably gonna be very similar price.>RTX5050That would literally brick the system. Nvidia does not support SteamOS, you would be unable to play most games.
>>741778070>you're the one that's bringing up the cost of games faggotI said the for price of 3 PC games and you get 300+ games included in the sub. Get it right. >modsnobody gives a fuck about mods or your other shit. >consoles are for playing games on for retards with double digit iqthey have NOTHING outside of the appeal to retardsLike I said, it plays games. You see your PC as giving you some sort of status. It doesn't. You're an idiot on the internet trying to huff his chest out with a PC which probably doesn't run any game released in the past 5 years
>>741778365>I said the for price of 3 PC games and you get 300+ games included in the sub. Get it right.you should be ashamed for being a sub goy, piracy is way more dignified>nobody gives a fuck about mods or your other shit. no, you desperately need to downplay everything your cuckbox drm locks you out ofyou're a disingenuous nigger, simple as that#at least i have the decency to bring up that your cuckboxes appeal to retards with their ease of use, you're just desperate to look better at the cost of your credibility>Like I said, it plays games.ok, pc plays games but without treating you like a fucking idiottherefore it winsconsoles have a lower floor, pcs have a higher ceillingand you being the retard that you are care more about your disability being accommodated
>>741777773So even the Geek Squad is qualified to repair it then?
>>741777714>How is anti-DRM in any way a double-edged stance to take?I gave the reason in that post.>No it fucking isn't. Not even close.They literally said it is. You can watch GamerNexus talk to them about it. And even if you can build something equivalent for $80 cheaper, it would be a far larger form factor and you're just guessing Valve could have somehow saved that $80 with their own components.>It doesn't use an APU, it's a discrete CPU/GPU soldered to the mainboardRegardless, you're not cramming a regular GPU into that thing. This is built more like a laptop in terms of size requirements. At best they could've tried to do better with the CPU.>The dogshit specs are absolutely Valve's fault thoughYou want it to be even more expensive? I agree they should have done all this work and launched it around when the deck came out, but hindsight is 20/20.>It's just a dumb product through-and-through.It's a dumb product at this price point. What it aimed to do was admirable. Consoles need to die.
>>741778134>That would literally brick the systemI'm using it as a price/performance example, anon. It's outright better than the RX7600M in the Steam Machine and it can be found in cheaper PCs. If you want you can use the regular RX7600 as an example instead since it also performs better and can be found in cheaper PCs.>is just keeping up for what is probably gonna be very similar price.Not at all. From the prices I'm seeing in my region and surrounding regions, DDR4 is 30%-50% cheaper. It would shave off $50-$100 in costs.The original discussion was if it's worth buying the Steam Machine over upgrading this anons PC >>741761635 and if it's worth getting the Steam Machine over this >>741764275. Nobody is talking about building their own Steam Machine here.And the answer is a simple "fuck no, the Steam Machine is not worth it at all". It's clearly overpriced by 20%-30%.
>>741778685>you should be ashamed for being a sub goy, piracy is way more dignifiedI'm not a brokey begging for scraps >no, you desperately need to downplay everything your cuckbox drm locks you out ofThe stuff it locks me out of is unimportant because it's a console and not a PC. >you're a disingenuous nigger, simple as that#You're a coping PC poor. It's as simple as that. >ok, pc plays games but without treating you like a fucking idiotHow does a box of electronics treat you like an idiot? I download a game and press start. The game starts. That's it. >consoles have a lower floor, pcs have a higher ceillingBut your PC doesn't. Your PC is probably no better than a console. We're on /v/, this board isn't full of uber rich and you mr pirate aren't going to convince me you have anything worth owning.
>>741778734even I am qualified to repair it
>>741758160>no you see the one that beat one of the worst jews in court and has all his cronies on his ass currently is actually the kike
>muh powerNobody sane buys into any consolecuck walled garden platform. Even 30 year old computers running DOS are better than any consoletrash ever made.
>>741778760>I gave the reason in that post.No you didn't. You just went on about proton/fex as if those advancements are at all relevant to the games on their store using DRM? There isn't a correlation between them>They literally said it is.No they didn't. They deliberately used ambiguous wording, such as "it's *almost* sold at cost", obviously they aren't going to publicly state their margins but they are absolutely profiting off of this. They always made clear it would NOT be subsidized and that their pricing model would be akin to prebuilts; well, prebuilts turn a profit too so logically so is this. The fact you can build your own PC with better performance for cheaper proves it.>Regardless, you're not cramming a regular GPU into that thingTrue, but my point is more that this form factor decision was a stupid choice in the first place. A flat+wide rectangular form factor, or even a more standard SFF form factor, would've made so much more sense with better cooling and better repairability/serviceability. It was a plain stupid design decision to make it a cube.>You want it to be even more expensive?See above.The stupid form factor is what drove up the cost.>What it aimed to do was admirable.I don't agree.What SteamOS aims to do is admirableWhat the Steam Machine aimed to do is baffling, and goes directly against the open mindset that most Linux users actually want. Why the fuck would anyone want a non-serviceable shitcube with terrible specs and almost no upgradeability? It's completely retarded. At least for the Deck the spec choices made sense, and somehow as a handheld it's more repairable than this """"desktop PC"""" manages to be.
>>741779189The Steam Machine isn't a walled garden.
>>741778994>I'm not a brokey begging for scrapsyou are a brokey that wants cheap games but ignore that games can cost nothing on pcyou're a complete shameless goy that wants to pay subscriptions>The stuff it locks me out of is unimportant because it's a console and not a PC. >it doesn't count because i can't do ityou're a bad faith retard, i'll repeat it because you repeated yourself again>You're a coping PC poor. It's as simple as that. you're the one that cares about pennypinching on reselling plastic>How does a box of electronics treat you like an idiot? I download a game and press start. The game starts. That's it. by not letting you have proper admin access to the hardware and treating you like a fucking thief? everything is encrypted to protect sony from YOU>But your PC doesn't. Your PC is probably no better than a console.impressive, took you a while to out yourself, londonjeetdid you submit to age checks you fucking pedophile?
>>741757963>PS6 will be twice as powerfulAnd twice as expensive too.
>>741774471Go and pay for your battle pass, your paid mods, and your wannabe consolite, cuckie.
>>741779517>your paid modsimpressive, egsjeet propaganda has been handled so poorly that even they believe it now
>>741779392>you are a brokey that wants cheap games but ignore that games can cost nothing on pcI don't need to pirate games. I buy whatever whenever. >you're a complete shameless goy that wants to pay subscriptions>>The stuff it locks me out of is unimportant because it's a console and not a PC.Yes I pay a subscription to have access to a lot of games. It's not my fault you can't afford that cost. >>it doesn't count because i can't do ityes. It doesn't count. >you're the one that cares about pennypinching on reselling plasticI don't even have a drive in my console. How does that work again? >by not letting you have proper admin access to the hardware and treating you like a fucking thief? everything is encrypted to protect sony from YOUI see your perspective now. You can't afford the sub. You can't afford the games. You dislike the DRM. So you don't like the device because you can't be the nigger. >impressive, took you a while to out yourself, londonjeet>did you submit to age checks you fucking pedophile?Still shouting londonjeet in every single thread. I've seen it posted 3 times in the past few days while browsing. I must be really in your head. What's it like being online 24/7 and imagining everyone you talk to is the same person? Must be tough being poor as fuck , retarded and a paranoid schizo. It suits you though.
>>741779857>londonjeethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uAi_FmOKMU
>>741779857you care about cheap games enough to pay for a sub while those games can be had for free if you're that pettyit's a double standard, londonjeet> It's not my fault you can't afford that cost. you can't afford buying those games outright and don't mind the subscription humiliation ritual>yes. It doesn't count. just like subbing for games doesn't count because you can pirate for free and the retard appeal of consoles doesn't count because i'm not a retardglad we got that sorted, consoles have no advantages>I don't even have a drive in my console. How does that work again?that makes you complete goycattle that submitted to sonythanks for lowering my opinion of you even further>So you don't like the device because you can't be the nigger. if i was a nigger then the ease of use of consoles would appeal to mebut it doesn't
>>741780153>you care about cheap games enough to pay for a sub while those games can be had for free if you're that pettyI don't need them for free. I'm white. >you can't afford buying those games outright and don't mind the subscription humiliation ritualThe sub is great. I paid for the Xbox one but the games were mostly shit so cancelled it. The PS+ games are far better. They allow me to play the games I had some interest in but not enough to buy them. >just like subbing for games doesn't count because you can pirate for free and the retard appeal of consoles doesn't count because i'm not a retardI'm white. I have money. I don't need to pirate games anon. >if i was a nigger lol. You're not fooling anyone.
Steam cultist are on some good shit when they reply to you like this.The most deticated marriages and armies don't have niggas this ride or die.
>>741780540>I don't need them for free. I'm white. you prefer subscribing on a drm goybox over having direct file access through piracyyou're not white, you're choosing security over freedom like the brownoid goy you are
>>741780710I prefer to sub to PSN+ and buy my games on PC anon. Do we need to go down that road again on what PCs we have?
>>741767156>10x biggerAnd run 100x better
>>741780801yes, told you already, paying subscriptions makes you lesser along with the preference for the low iq device that offers nothing to someone that isn't retarded
>>741776650>>lottery over whether you get dual-channel or single-channel memorynot a lottery, in GNs new video valve told them they misspoke and every single fucking piece of shit goycube will be single channel 1x16
>>741781064>anon wants to compare dick sizes with someone he knows has multiple 5090s. Why do you want to go though this humiliation each time?
>>741779076reminder that valve was in court arguing for child gambling citing that "lootboxes arent gambling, they are... surprise mechanics!"
>>741781150plenty of rich jeets, especially with how the british government has been dumping money on wastes of air like you
>>741781158>kid spending some money and getting a shit skin he didn't want is worse than society being cool with your kid being shown gambling all growing up and then blowing it at a casino and getting nothinghmm
>>741781241I've also posted my hand numerous times to you too so you know I'm white. Yet here we are. The same script. The same comments over and over. You on the other hand has never posted anything. Your PC is basically make-believe and only exists in your head and you're as brown as your family in sunny pakistan land.
>>741781158This niggas were probably like "if we're in trouble then go ahead and arrest all the mangers and owners of McDonald's! And go arrest the heads of yugioh at Konami too we all guilty! If I'm guilty"Comically evil ass company
>>741781065That's just sad
>>741781412congratulations on hitting the bingo, londonjeetwhite people don't have a preference between jeets and pakisyou exemplify the brown virtue of prefering security over liberty, not fooling anyone
>>741758681Gabecube has more upgrade paths than prebuiltofthe sameprice and their hotglued RAM or proprietary parts even
>>741781496and how would you know what a white person thinks? Is it like how you know how a 5090 runs? or PS5 Pro runs? It's all in your head. It's make believe anon.
>>741781284>its ok to put a small amount of heroin in a child's sweets that adults themselves cant control getting addicted to! it wont slowly get them addicted and desensetised to such things, it will help them... not instantly shoot up heroin when they turn 18!!!
>>741781579>and how would you know what a white person thinks?because i am one?you're a big government supporting jeet degenerate
>>741781581>it's okay when you use the law to apply rules only to people that threaten you and ignore your kike friendshmm
>>741781640>I am oneproof required little ali akbar
>>741781412No white person is going to have that picture saved, poopskin.
>>741781673i don't treat you seriously enough to botheryou're a complete void of intellect with an explicitly brown mindset
>>741781652they are both kikes that profit from goyims work, youre the only one defending one of them
>>741779290>No you didn't.> they attract far more devs and publishers to pc There is a reason GOG only gets a tiny fraction of the games. Sure it sucks, but devs and publishers want to know that people can't go to gog-games (which used to be shown before GOG in search results for a while) and get everything for free with zero effort.>No they didn'tThey said something to the effect that "it is essentially sold at cost". There is no reason for Valve to want this thing to be this expensive and if they could have hit that psychological barrier off $999, they would have. Their goal is to get as many people as possible onto steam, not make pennies off hardware.>would've made so much more sense with better cooling and better repairability/serviceabilityThe thermals, fan noise, and repeatability is all very good from what I've seen. It's worth mentioning they're also not in this to sell a mix and match machine, but to standardize a system for devs to optimize for.>The stupid form factor is what drove up the cost.Almost certainly, but size was one of its perks. People wanted something discreet and this is smaller than a ps5 or xbox and way smaller than a tower.>non-serviceable shitcube with terrible specs and almost no upgradeability? Because it's aimed at console users who didn't have any of that and this is an improvement over what they got. Spec wise it's fine, marginally worse than a ps5, the problem is now the price for what you get, but that was never intended to be the price.>somehow as a handheld it's more repairable than this """"desktop PC"""" manages to be.As someone who is currently typing this on a deck, no way. It was like 4 screws to pull out the internals and the ram and storage are right there and easy to upgrade or replace. It is way harder on the deck.The steam machine was just meant to be another vehicle for steamos and further open up gaming, but it came too late to avoid insane prices.
>>741771502Enough of a normalfaggot to not ever consider playing pc games.
>>741781750>no proof yet againWhat a shocking response from a little brown poor
>>741781550given that the goycube has no upgrade path aside from adding more storage, and ram that nobody will add because its worthless in a 8gb vram shitbox, youre wrong.
>>741781065Then how come different people have already gotten different configurations?
>>741781812you're not worth ityou're not even hiding your caste based brownoid mindset and that's all i need to hear to discredit you
The funniest thing about the gabecube is that in order to even buy it, you have to be a steam user, thus they already have a computer. And if the computer was purchased in the last 5 years, it is going to be better then what the steam machine is. The only audience for this is steamfags with more sense then money.
>>741781759it's easy to defend one when every other kike service tries to scam me every other week meanwhile i've got the same library i had 2 decades ago and it's even better than then since you can just refund shit easily now
>>741782029you would think someone who calls others a jeet in every post would have some proof they aren't one themselves. You're like one of the "account based in india" on X aren't you. lol
>ACTHUALLY, therw is no single/dual channel lottery. Every goycube will be shipped single channel 1x16GB onlyHoly kek
>>741782036You act like making a steam account isn't free and can't be done on a phone.
>>741782163it's self evident, i choose freedom over security, i'm not insecure enough to feel the need to prove ityou meanwhile know your hyderabad mindset is indefensible
>>741782295>account based in india says "it's self evident" yes. thanks for admitting it little punjab.
>>741782426you brought up your subcontinental politics, londonjeetyou've already incriminated yourself beyond reason
>dude you can build your own PC for cheaper >RAM alone costs more than the Gabecube
>>741781775>There is a reason GOG only gets a tiny fraction of the gamesSure, okay, but tell me why did Valve make it impossible to transfer your licenses?Typically, if I purchase software, I have the ability to transfer or even resell my digital software license. Why does Steam not allow for this?>They said something to the effect that "it is essentially sold at cost"Which means it isn't sold at cost, they do in fact have a profit margin. They told people this from the initial announcement that they would not subsidize the cost. If it weren't for the RAM crisis, it would've cost $750 which still is not a very competitive pricepoint>The thermals, fan noise, and repeatability is all very good from what I've seen.Thermals are only good because it's so aggressively power limited anyway, you're hitting throttled performance due to power limits long before any thermal throttling, that's why performance (especially from the CPU) is so bad.>Almost certainly, but size was one of its perks. People wanted something discreteWho was asking for this?As mini PCs already exists. Even mini PCs containing discrete graphics exist. Fuck, you could buy one that has an actual graphics card inside before the Steam Machine's price reveal for around the same as what Valve are charging, AND it has better performance, AND it's more upgradeable, AND it has a longer warranty. Anyone with sense knows the Steam Machine is extremely poor value even in the current market.>Because it's aimed at console users who didn't have any of that and this is an improvement over what they got.It isn't an improvement. It has worse performance and more usability problems (a couple reviews already pointed out that wake from sleep is not working correctly), the console market was never going to be interested in this even for its original $750 starting price.> ram and storage are right there and easy to upgrade or replace.sure the RAM and M.2 are EZ access, but what about repairing the rest?
>>741782137good goy
>>741782490>account based in india seems to be in a panic and is throwing a tantrumlol
>>741757963Only thing that matters is you can finally build a PC that dual-boots SteamOS
>>741782497you can still easily built a better PC for cheaper.
>>741782627*build
>>741782564you're the one that's throwing a tantrumno one made you bring up pakis, that's a thing only jeets doyou prefer security over freedom, you're brown
>>741782727lol post your hand jeet
>>741782536>Sure, okay, but tell me why did Valve make it impossible to transfer your licenses?>Typically, if I purchase software, I have the ability to transfer or even resell my digital software license.you can't resell digital games anywhere you retard
>>741782778no thanks jeet, i'm not brown and wasn't raised by retards that prefer izzat over anonymity like you
>>741782808because of what Steam standardized.Reselling digital software licenses is normal in other industries. It SHOULD be allowed for games too, but it isn't because Steam popularized the contrary when they bent the knee to the big publishers.
>>741782952>no I shan't post my hand but you have to just believe me I'm as white as you fellow white person ha ha ha ha you lost jeet boy
>>741783067you've proven that you're brown with your wordsi don't need to do anything, you've humiliated yourself enoughgive me something worthwhile to respond to or i'm cutting this short, you've degenerated so far that you can't even defend consoles anymore since they expose your brown attributes
>>741782986no, it's because the very concept is fucking retardedyou allow digital reselling, you destroy developer and publisher revenuea week after launch you'll have 10k "used" digital copies sold for less being exchanged all over the world in a split second and the developer and publisher don't see a penny of it
If the GPU wasn't so fucking weak I could deal with the price of that for a machine that can't be upgraded beyond storage/RAM. But releasing something weaker than a 3060 in today's gaming market is suicide.
>>741782536>>Typically, if I purchase software, I have the ability to transfer or even resell my digital software license. Why does Steam not allow for this?GOG doesn't allow that either. You could just make endless copies of a game to sell with how open PC is, so obviously that's a no-go. The only reason it's allowed with physical on consoles is because they're extremely locked down and built from the ground up as DRM, but even they don't allow you to do that with digital despite easily being able to facilitate it.>They told people this from the initial announcement that they would not subsidize the cost.Yeah, because it's a pc and nothing is stopping anyone from just buying it and using it as a cheaper pc without ever using steam Not subsidizing it doesn't mean they doesn't sell it at cost.>Who was asking for this?People who wanted something to sit under there living room tv with all the convenience of a console with being xbox hueg and heating up your house and distracting fan noise.Once steamos is widely compatible, valve even says you can just install that on whatever you want and can be a better option. They're very open about that and working towards it instead of trying to just lock everyone to a steam machine. With 3.8, they just made it happen for everyone with an amd gpu.>It isn't an improvement.The pc ecosystem is a massive improvement over consoles. Sleep/resume is fantastic on the deck and I have no doubt it will work fantastic on the machine.>sure the RAM and M.2 are EZ access, but what about repairing the rest?Everything is easy access so unless it's a catastrophic failure it should be pretty simple to repair.
>>741782986who the FUCK sells used software??
>>741783198Your turn little jeetboy
>>741783428you sound like a publishing bootlicker.>>741783567I cannot stress the point enough that other digital software allows for license transfers and reselling, video games are one of the only forms of digital software that I can think of that do not allow for this and yet consumers just accept it. Why?
>>741783648no thanks, i'm not insecureconsoles are for brown mindsets
>>741783734>n..n..no thanks. I shan't be posting a photo of my brown shit stained handswe both know why don't we Account based in India
>>741783651i want a healthy ecosystem that doesn't antagonize the other side of the equationthe current system is already great, developers and publishers are satisfied with how steam gives them a larger share of revenue than consoles and physical, customers are satisfied with discounts and if you're a scrounger you can just piratewe don't need a disruption
>>741783648FAT and likely has dirty fingernails, hence clenched fist
>>741758442Yeah, Steam Machine would be expensive niche product even if the PC parts did not spike up in price
>>741783651?You can't do it with digital books, movies, or software in general, what are you talking about? I suspect you're a console user who doesn't actually know much of anything about PC and how all this works.
>>741783796because i'm not insecureif you're going to repeat yourself this is your last (You), last crumb of attentionmaybe you're comfortable shitting up this thread due to your ethnicity but i'm not
>>741783648based neanderthal bodied that brown
>>741784009You can do it with software, I HAVE done it and am speaking from experience.Look up "UsedSoft v. Oracle, 2012">>741783907okay now you definitely sound like a bootlicker
>>741784007If it was $200-250 less I'd have went for it simply because of the SFF, which is both annoying to get parts for, but also doing the build yourself. Atm my backup PC is my prior build, which is vastly weaker than a Steam Machine. I wouldn't mind something small to keep on over at the other monitor, or drag along with me on work trips.
>>741757963>PS6lol. lmao even. You gonna wait for 2030+ for that thing or drop 2000 on it if it somehow releases earlier in this jewish hellscape environment of pricing?
>>741784164>you're a bootlicker because you don't want to recklessly destroy the fucking system like a myopic self interested nigger
>>741783565>GOG doesn't allow that eitherThey'd also ban your entire account if they found out, taking away access to all the games you didn't have downloaded. You have to throw everything and the kitchen sink, do straight up illegal shit for Valve to do something like that and even then they typically let you retain access to your library and just ban you from the community forums and store.
>>741784003>no photo of hand I'm shocked anon. It's almost as if you're trying to hide something about your skin colour. You've lost. Now I know you're 100% jeet. I had suspicions because of the way you type and your poor PC spec. But this has confirmed it without a shadow of a doubt.
>>741783565>GOG doesn't allow that either.It is not allowed on any gaming distribution platform (that I'm aware of), maybe it's unfair of me to point the finger at Steam specifically but at the same time Steam were/are in a position to change that if they wanted to be pro-consumer.>Not subsidizing it doesn't mean they doesn't sell it at cost.Yes it does, as there's more to their overheads than just the BOM. There is no way they aren't breaking even on each unit sold based on everything they've said.>with all the convenience of a consoleIt fails to tick that box, imo. I already pointed out some of its flaws.If you ask me, this product would only appeal to tinkerers that like the novelty of it.> Sleep/resume is fantastic on the deck and I have no doubt it will work fantastic on the machine.It doesn't work very well on Machine, check LTT's review.
>>741784231let me guess, you are against the Stop Killing Games movement too huh?Fuck off.
>>741784203Yeah same, I mean it is probably the one cool thing about it, what other reason is there to get it? Other than some delusional people thinking that Valve were making a $500 "console PC" for the poors
>>741783518It being weaker than a 3060/5050 would be fine if it were actually priced like a 3060/5050 PC. The fact is I can walk outside right now and buy 5050 PC for less than the steam machine.>>741784007Not really. If it were $750-$850 like they originally planned, people would actually buy it. Sure it would be pretty weak and overpriced still, but the reality is people's paychecks haven't gone up by 30%. You need more disposable income to buy it right now, compared to this alternate reality where PC hardware didn't get more expensive.
>>741757963It's probably the coolest WoW machine I have ever seen is why! This is the only reason!
>>741784452no retard, i support it, uploading the server files costs fucking nothing and you could literally just put them on steamthose two are unrelated and in fact complimentaryif you sunset the game and stopped selling it you've basically given up on any revenue completely
>>741784505>what other reason is there to get it?Isn't much really unless you just want a Valve-branded prebuilt that happens to cost a fair bit vs. other prebuilts. Depending on the weight of the thing I'd just like to build a mount for it and park it on the backside of my monitor stand so it's out of sight.
>>741784387>It fails to tick that boxThis. Gaming on Linux+Steam isn't as simple as it is on consoles. Plenty of games default to running Linux builds which are fucking ass, outdated or outright don't work at all and you're expected to know this and manually select "run in Proton" in the game's settings. And this even applies to the Steam Deck, which is supposedly THE Linux+Steam platform.
>>741784641Give me a good argument over why you think video games should NOT be treated the same as transferable software licenses?"it would disrupt the industry" doesn't cut it.
>>741784563>It being weaker than a 3060/5050 would be fine if it were actually priced like a 3060/5050 PC. The fact is I can walk outside right now and buy 5050 PC for less than the steam machine.It sucks, since even if it was equivalent to a 5050, I'd still have to deal with garbage-tier FSR3 with a Steam Machine. I've seen that FSR4 has too much of a performance hit on older AMD cards, which seems equivalent to DLSS4.5 running like crap on 2000/3000 series RTX.
lmaoing at the redditors literally posting pictures of their hands>It will be under $1000>It doesn't need to come with a controller>It doesn't need HDMI 2.1 they are going to patch it>1440 is perfectly fine, ignore that the use case is a TV which all run at 4k now>Blame the AI companies!>You just don't understand, you aren't the target audience>You don't like it because you are brown / post hand^^^^^^ you are here>It is going to sell out anyways>It sold out because of scalpers and AI datacenters>You are just poor if you aren't going to buy it>I am going to buy one anyways, I don't care what people say...>1 month later: I am forgotten
>noooooo its so overpricedIf you built a machine with similar specs piece by piece it would probably cost more than the steam machine. Dont shit on valve because AI drives up tech prices.
>>741784854>account based in india has returned on a new larp
>>741784792>what's 2+2 and don't say 4!you really think pissing off developers and publishers by completely erasing their revenue past the first week is going to have positive effects on the industry?you've encouraged hostility and spiteyou already have means to play a game for free, it's called piracyyou don't need the official blessing
>>741784984Physical games are already physically transferable license, so why do you believe that digital ones being treated the same as physical would ruin the market?
>>741784938>If you built a machine with similar specs piece by piece it would probably cost more than the steam machine.Literally false. If you build your own PC for $1050 you can get an RTX 5060, RX 7600 or even RX 9060. The Steam Machine is weaker than a PC you can build for $800.
>>741784387Steam would have to heavily enforce DRM if they wanted to facilitate that and avoid having people simply back up their own copy before selling the license. Otherwise you'd get people who'd buy a game, then immediately back it up and sell it. It would crash game prices and devs and publishers would hate it no matter what and would stop bringing games to PC to avoid it.>There is no way they aren't breaking even on each unit sold based on everything they've said.That's what I've been saying. They aren't taking a loss, but they aren't taking a profit either. They want to push steamos and competition, not make pennies on hardware. They would be more than happy to have others make their own hardware to sell with steamos on it.>It fails to tick that box, imo. I already pointed out some of its flaws.Everything has flaws, I just know from using a deck it is an extremely good system at blending pc freedom and console convenience with very few concessions.>It doesn't work very well on Machine, check LTT's review.Linus praised it from what I saw, but that it wasn't always perfect and he suspected that will get fixed. I just know that on the deck it takes only a second to sleep or resume a game and I imagine the machine will be similar as they polish it. The deck was much rougher at launch too and valve has done a ton over the years to make it a better and more compatible system (besides getting fucked by the market).
>>741785242It really boils down to building for a better GPU and then grabbing the cheapest case/psu/mobo+cpu-combo you can find, since you're not going to have more storage/ram than a Steam Machine without going over the budget.
>>741785054because physical is imperfectdigital reselling would be perfect, which is why it can't be allowedphysical is limited by an object that needs to travel, needs the reseller to put in some work, is geographically limited in how far it can go, is tied to an object that can degrade and has collector value that lowers its chance of being resolddigital can be sold and sent to the other side of the planet in a few clicks and in less than a minute without ever getting your ass off the seat, never deteriorates, has no incentive to hold onto besides its pure utilitarian aspecta week after release you'd have 10k of licenses sold at half price changing hands all over the worldthere is ZERO incentive to ever buy a "new" digital copy and the revenue drops off a fucking cliff
>>741785330>Push competition>By selling a device designed to lock you into their ecosystemLAMO, is this what /r/pcmasterrace actually thinks?
>>741785242>buy a better GPU>spent your entire budget on GPU>everything else is worse >>b-but the GPU is better than the steam machine so that means I win!
>>741757963
>>741785407push hardware competition indeed, they want others to make their own takes on the machineand no, there's nothing locking you to the ecosystem, you're just dumb
steam really is just like apple make a shittier product and sell it for more than its worth and billion sheep buy it
>>741782627>betterDisingenuous, he's showing an equivalent build.GN showed only an $80 difference for the base model and that PC will be far bigger, more power hungry and run louder and hotter.
>>741757963it's just terrible value for moneyproprietary shit that is hideously overpriced and underpoweredi was going to make a comparison to alienware but even they dont ship 500gb storage jesus christ
>>741785358>because physical is imperfect>digital reselling would be perfect,What a bizarre argument.Reselling your digital license still requires the end user to go through a marketplace, price their product appropriately, and hope the buyer doesn't screw them over (and likewise the buyer is hoping the seller doesn't screw them over); some safeguards can be put in-place but you still assume some risk: this is how it works for software license transfers btw.If a game has value to consumers, they'll keep it and the second-hand digital market would also hold its value in the same way that it does for physical games.Again, I cannot stress enough that this model works for digital software license reselling. It's not hypothetical, this already exists. It just does not exist in games because publishers are greedy, pure and simple.
>>741785491Dude, the ENTIRE pc market is already in competition, what the fuck are you talking about? Why would anyone make their own 'take' when mini PC, micro ATX, full ATX, and everything in between has been a thing for decades? What planet do you live on?
>>741758438>was genuinely considering buying it when it was announced thinking it would cost about 500 bucksIt was never going to be cheaper than 750. Valve is selling this almost at-cost right now, but that was never the original plan. If they sold the Steam Machine in 2024, it would come with a decent markup.
>>741784768Consoles have stopped prioritizing or caring about convenience ages ago. You should always just set it to use proton by default anyway, particularly ge, but as proton has gotten better I haven't needed ge in a long while.
>>741757963The truth is that Valve today is not as smart as 10-20 years ago.
>>741785330>Steam would have to heavily enforce DRMPotentially. I look at this way:1) DRM-freeor2) (aggressive) DRM but licenses are transferableI prefer 1 but 2 is a good alternative. You can also read my other posts about digital game licensing >>741785570 >>741785054>They aren't taking a loss, but they aren't taking a profit eitherI'm pretty certain they're making a small profit per unit, their wording was too fishy.>with very few concessions.That's the thing, a console user wants no consessions. It should be ideal plug+play "it just werks" the whole time. They won't anticipate any troubleshooting requirement.>Linus praised it from what I saw, but that it wasn't always perfect and he suspected that will get fixed.He had issues with sleep/resume shown in two separate videos. I'm sorry but for a product that was already delayed 6 months that's embarrassing.
>>741785407It's hilarious to me that consoletards will try to act like the Deck or Machine is a console and then criticize it for things consoles do. You people have such nonexistent self-awareness or capacity to argue in good faith it's insane.
>>741785530>he's showing an equivalent build.Nope. It's a better build since the Machine is using the laptop versions of those components while the PC build is using the proper desktop components. Performance is better too.JTC is already working on a SFF build to rival the base model price/performance/size at the moment, I'll give him a week.
>>741785446Are you retarded? These GPUs are like $300-$450 and the Steam Machine CPU is on par with a $100 CPU. You have plenty of money for everything else. If you're too dumb to build your own PC you can always buy a pre-built where the same thing applies, you're getting a better device for the cost of a Steam Machine. The Steam Machine is weaker than almost any PC you can get in the $800-$1100 range, and it's weaker than everything that's over $1100 so the 2TB model is absolutely not worth it.It's just a shit product whether you like it or not.>>741785341You can definitely build a 32GB machine within that budget, but it would have to be DDR4.
>>741785886I see it as doing the barest minimum of bullshit in order to ensure pc gets all the games. I would be much harsher on valve if they mandated drm or made their drm stronger and went after goldberg (which they have ignored forever).
>>741785749I wouldn't know. The last ones I owned were the PSP and PS2 where it was as simple as throwing a disc in and playing the game.>>741785530>GN showed only an $80 difference for the base model and that PC will be far bigger, more power hungry and run louder and hotter.But that PC is 20% more performant in games.
>>741785570idk what preconceived notions you have for reselling but this isn't how it would workhave you ever seen steam marketplace?it would be that, you list your game for a specific price and you see prices others list the game for as well as what they buy it forthe reselling process would happen on steam and it would be seamlessthere is no opportunity to fuck anyone over, no thought required because you can see all the prices>If a game has value to consumers, they'll keep it and the second-hand digital market would also hold its value in the same wayno, the ease of use would absolutely fucking bulldoze the pricesand the developer and publisher gets fucking nothing from it
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1782188902898336.mp4
>>741785637ah yes, the flourishing living room pc market, so much competition there
>>741785637Windows is a bigger monopoly than Steam could ever be and competition in the OS space is what Valve is trying to push. They're just making their own hardware as a shoe in the door for that.
>>741786392>own windows with win32 being your only stable ABITroonix moment.
>>741785957Please show your work for where I ever mentioned a console. If you think I am a different poster in the chain I will accept that as a solution.
>>741786268>idk what preconceived notions you have for resellingI was thinking about how it works with software I have sold before, it's often something like this>you list your software license on a trading forum or reselling platform>buyer accepts>you go to the account that holds <software license>>you request a license transfer to <buyer's account>>buyer receives it(note: some companies have their own marketplace to do this but that's a lot less common)It's somewhat common to ask for a deposit from the buyer first so they don't screw you over once the transfer is done.I suppose hypothetically Steam could use a marketplace, that was not something I had considered over how Valve would do it. Nonetheless, you'd still me selling for less than you paid for it (otherwise nobody in the right mind would buy it), so as a consumer you're still taking a net loss to sell it on if you choose to. It's barely any different than the reselling or trading-in your physical games.>no, the ease of use would absolutely fucking bulldoze the pricesWhy do you think that?It does not bulldoze the prices of software licenses at all.
>>741786670>is this what /r/pcmasterrace actually thinks?Strongly implies a consoletard.
Even in this fucked market buying PC hardware you can't upgrade easily is stupid. If you want a "living room PC" and don't want a full/mid tower sitting there fiber HDMI cables have gotten a lot more reasonable, and you can just to USB over Ethernet for the input. Maintain one powerhouse instead of a bunch of mediocre devices
>>741786328>>741786392Any PC can be a 'livingroom PC', do not try to say otherwise. Valve just cares about moving you into their ecosystem, which is why "steam OS" only plays steam games. I can't tell if you are just a blinded drone, or if you are some linux fanatic pushing for closed source software.
>>741786747No, it is me making fun of valve shills. If you couldn't see that and you defaulted to consoles, your mind is already too far gone.
>>741786392>Windows is a bigger monopoly than Steam could ever bewould be real sad if they made a bunch of higher ups jeets and then hired more and more jeets and then collapsed
>>741786809Nobody wants to stack a fat tower under their tv and deal with winblows in the living room. Also, you have no clue what you're talking about with SteamOS. You're projecting, probably just because you use windows and think you're too dumb for linux when it's retard proof at this point.
>>741786897And that's why you mocked pc in general, right consoleturd?
>>741757963>$1,049Gonna sit out next gen until prices aren't crazy anymore.
>>741787113See>>741786749Tech illiterate zoomer begoneSunshine(or Apollo) and moonlight are also really strong options. Don't buy already outdated hardware because you're too retarded to figure out how to run cables through your wall or set up a home stream solution
>>741787113It's always funny when people like you get called out. Because the conversation always shifts from 'this is designed for consoletards, this is designed for people who don't want to mess with a PC' to then "deal with the bullshit that comes with linux troubleshooting".So tell me: how can I play something like wow on this? "X game sucks" is not a valid response. Or what about forza horizon 6?The mini PC space has been filled with chink shit (which is what this is under a different name) for so long now nothing here is revolutionary. Where have you been in the pc building space to think anything about this is new?
>>741786809and any pc can be a laptop if you're strong enoughwhat is this retarded point?mini pc specifically refers to a concise box that doesn't include atx standard redundancy and is therefore more durable and smallerand no retard, you can install heroic or lutris or bottles or whatever other shit there is from flathub and run games through there
>>741787113>nobodyI do, and have done since pc first allowed it.
>>741757963>niggers itt not realizing the PS6 will cost far more
Everybody touting steam OS as some magic solution to the frustrations of PC gaming haven't been using the fucking thing lol. It has numerous issues, just different ones than windows. And they are less documented
>>741787354People want convenience, not to putting effort into work arounds, and you know this. There's a reason practically nobody does what you[re talking about.
>>741787693It might not, considering Sony is more poised to just wait until market conditions are better for producing the things. I think valve already had these ready to go but walked into a terrible situation, so they either need to take a bath on them now or have them sitting in a warehouse for years to potentially lose even more
>>741786730yes, the whole point of reselling is that the consumer gets a refundthat's the essence of wanting resellingmoneyand if you're entirely financially motivated then you can just pirate without destroying what we have>It's barely any different than the reselling or trading-in your physical games.i already told you, it's different because it's completely flawless and suffers none of the downsides of physical reselling>It does not bulldoze the prices of software licenses at all.name a specific type of software you're talking about
>>741787412It's designed for consoletards and yes, you can play those games.
i will buy version 2 steam machine when they improve the hardware and my PC is about to die. Maybe by then it'll have a companion cube skin for an extra 50 bucks or something, either way it'll be interesting to see peoples reviews & how the operating system looks
>>741787787I do get it because I was there, I bought a gaming laptop(lol) to use in my living room before I knew better. Maintaining separate devices is actually way, way less convenient in the long run.
>>741757963Does Steam Machine beat a GTX 1080ti i7-8700k 3.7ghz 16gb ram set up? Asking for a friend.
>>741788095How? Show me the instructions. I can't wait to see all of the OS level hoops you have to jump through like >>741787473 gets at.
>>741787412What year is it? Linux is piss easy to use now thanks to Valve.
>>741775123Name a more consumer friendly company.
>>741788163it's about the same gpu wise before upscaling gimmicks
>>741788006a resale is not equal to a full refund.>it's completely flawless and suffers none of the downsides of physical resellingNot true. I JUST told you some of the downsides.If you aren't going to bother to read my posts properly then you are not arguing in good faith. I'm not repeating myself.>name a specific type of software you're talking aboutAlright, I work in audio mixing/production. I use software called Cubase Pro. It is fully license transferable and resale of your license is allowed (encouraged, even). The same is true for a lot of other professional audio software btw and I have never once seen any of this softwarwe tank in value because of reselling, that is a nonsense claim.
>>741788098Preorder now to get the gabecube skin!
>>741788246You plug it in, you push play, and you play your game with seamless sleep/resume. Linux is a non-issue now and way better than Windows.
>>741788246>OS level hoops those are just applications you install you fucking retardit's just like installing drivers, is this something you consider impossibly difficult?
>>741762716>an $1200 Steam Machine performs roughly the same as the $400 PS5That steam machine has access to 99.99% of all games ever made through native releases and emulation. >>741762716>you can install windows on it except it will kill the little performance it had before so you really can'tIt will not take that big of a hit lol >you get a machine where you can do what you want and have access to 99.99% of games with free online, mods, and freedom to do whatever you wantYes, thats what I was saying. It's hard for you to understand that when you rimjob your console company so hard, I know
>>741757963>PS6 will be twice as powerfulonly 12yos talk like this
The midwit system Too "smart" for consolesToo dumb to build something within their budget that does the same shit but better
>>741788821Tendie tendie tendie, cope and shit yourself, in a steamie world
>>741788821>palworld of all communitiesi wonder who is behind this post
>>741788552In this market you probably aren't matching the performance of this thing with the same amount of money, but presumably costs will go down again eventually
>>741788318>Not true. I JUST told you some of the downsides.those are not downsides of digital vs physical reselling, they're flaws of the reselling system itself not being organised as well as it can be>It is fully license transferable and resale of your license is allowed (encouraged, even).looking at it, they make their money off being bundledthat inherently means the user base is less informed and thus less likely to reselland because it's not a game you end up holding onto it, you can't just finish it and never use it againtheir reselling system is also more inconvenient than what reselling on steam would be
>>741757963I have personally been waiting for the downfall of Valve for a long time now and this is coming from a person who was a huge fan of them and owns 1K games on Steam.>but why anon? Why would you wish this on based Valve?Why? Let's see>As soon as i get tired of Sony and their increasing prices and censorship of video games and decide to move to Steam, they also start censoring video games>btw, if your video game gets denied for the first time, they will stop working with you and you'll never be able to submit new video game to them ever again>They fucked up TF2 with shitty matchmaking update in hopes to turn TF2 into "epic new esports thing" which failed awfully and they never fixed it, TF2 got also infested with bots which Valve ignored for years and was only dealt with once like 90% TF2 players started making a huge noise about it and fanboys clapped it for doing the bear minimum, matchmaking still fucked btw>Their forums are controlled by hungry power jannies who ban you for anything someone might find offensive or hurt their feelings>Troons in their ads>Their customer support is some of the worst i have ever experienced. It literally feels like bot responding back everytime except those bots are using diffent human names whenever it responds back. I literally do hope its a bot because theres no actual human is making such shitty messages. I have no idea how it gets so much praiseI could go on and on but these are the worst ones.
>>741788246>you can install lutris as an alternative if you want>wooooow this 180 iq hoop is just too much for me to handleTech illiterates need to get off the internet.
>>741789219>they make their money off being bundledNo they don't.They only bundle lite, stripped-down versions of their software (those are basically demos). They've never bundled the full package, ever.>because it's not a game you end up holding onto it, you can't just finish it and never use it againWhy do you think games are disposable by default?They aren't.Most consumers keep the games they enjoy so they can revisit them, or even out of sentimental value.Plus, I only gave you one example. The same is true of many smaller pieces of audio software (e.g. VST plugins/virtual instruments), you can not like a virtual instrument and sell it. You could purchase a virtual instrument for a specific production, then sell it once you've used it for what you needed it for. Doesn't crash the market for this software in any way whatsoever.There is no precedent at all to suggest that the digital reselling of video games would negatively affect the video game market at all. If you believe otherwise, prove it with examples as I have already given you proven examples to the contrary.
>>741789404>>>As soon as i get tired of Sony and their increasing prices and censorship of video games and decide to move to Steam, they also start censoring video games>>btw, if your video game gets denied for the first time, they will stop working with you and you'll never be able to submit new video game to them ever againRance series.
>>741763551>AI frogsNot those frogs anon. It's even worse. It's genuine talent wasted on extreme parasocial brainrot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbi2_n8_Mw
>>741759018>The entire point for them is bragging about having something poorfags don't.And this is why you're poor. People with wealth don't flaunt it openly unless they want to get robbed. And for devices that stay in the home like this, they're hardly flaunting anything openly. Most people with that kind of wealth pay for the convenience. That's why the Switch (and Steam Deck to a lesser extent) was such a hit with celebrities, why you can see the Weekend playing games on Switch/Steam Deck/etc on his Instagram page. People with that kind of wealth are out doing things other than obsessing about one console having slightly better graphics than another. Only poors see the PS5, Pro or otherwise, as a symbol of status.
>>741789523>They only bundle lite, stripped-down versions of their software (those are basically demos). They've never bundled the full package, ever.they're niche software and the word of mouth through reselling gives them more value than resellingeconomy of scale, they're not big enough to be hurt by resellingreselling is also not actively promoted, they're not giving you official avenues to resell, you need to sort it out yourself and it's not as convenient as game reselling would besteam would have to actively try to sabotage reselling as much as they can if they were ever to allow it>Why do you think games are disposable by default?the type of game that you would want to resell isyou spend more than 100 hours on pro softwarethe system might work on a micro scale but it would absolutely crash and burn if it was as popular as video games
>>741789429lmao valve AND linux shills combined are truly something remarkable
>>741763769top 5 games right now.
>>741790352You said something dumb and got rightfully mocked for it.
>>741763705But on PS5 it looks like crap and uses FSR
>>741790352nigger, kde discover that steamos uses is literally on par with mobile app stores in terms of use
>>741757963Installing some used rtx 3080 or rx 6800 in those discount chinese X99 combos would be faster than this crap unless you need 120fps gay sports gayming.
>>741790448>>741790529lmao keep coping about your 'free' OS running closed source capitalist programs that do nothing but limit what you can play. Don't bother replying, this thread has divulged into nothing but shill responses.
>>741790878>if i scream shill hard enough it'll hide the fact that i'm a fucking idiot that has no idea what he's talking about
>>741790878You're stupid and attacking something for undoubtedly retarded ulterior reasons. Calling that out isn't being a shill.
>>741790295>they're niche softwareHardly. Cubase alone has over 1.5m users worldwide and that's one of the least popular DAWs. Ableton Live would dwarf that number (but they don't have published figures I can find)A plugin developer, Native Instruments, has more than 25 million registered users and many millions of sales, they allow license transfers too because it doesn't affect their bottom-line. Same with Waves, IK Multimedia, Arturia, literally all the big names I can think of in the audio production software space today allow it. It's an industry worth $4b, I wouldn't call that niche at all.>the type of game that you would want to resell isA product only holds the value people are willing to pay for it. If the value tanks, that's the fault of the publisher for devaluing their own product. Shitty games already end up with heavy discounts (see: Ubislop as a prime example), good games don't need to be discounted much if at all. This would also be reflected in a digital used games market. There is literally zero evidence whatsoever that a used game market would negatively impact the retail value of those games at all, and you have failed to provide any evidence otherwise.Even with all of this in mind, I would still take a "seller's fee" for a license transfer. IK Multimedia do this for their software as an example, and they only do it because they have a lot of bundle offers where they foolishly gave people full licenses instead of a bundle license. So if you are completely convinced that "hurr durr reselling games tanks their value", attach a seller's fee to it of around 10 bucks or something. It wouldn't be necessary if you ask me but whatever, I'd take it.
>>741779582>he thought I was talking about jannies!Forever cucked.
>>741791412no retard, i assumed you were talking about paying for modssomething that didn't actually happentherefore you have to be a retard to tell someone to enjoy something that doesn't exist as if that affects anyone on steam
>>741790246>buying the shiny new cube thing and posting pictures of it on twitter>not flaunting it openly
>>741757963>the concept of a machine that you don't need to buy to have access to it's games confuses and baffles the average consolefag
>>741757963Uhh, they were thinking bout the yacht is gonna buy after his basedboy fans give him more money!
>>741758778>it's ok when gabe-sama does it!!!embarassing
>>741757963>PS6 will be twice as powerfulIf that's the case then how much will the PS6 cost?It will be impossible to sell as a mass market device.
>>741757963they know valve drones will buy it no matter what. $1300 for 3050 level performance lmao
>>741795506$999
>>7417955061,250 is my guess, but with much better specs than the Gabecube
>>741798641>>741798845I can't see it being under $1500 if it's going to be a genuine upgrade from the PS5 pro.
>>741799480it's going to be 52 RDNA5 CUsthe 9070xt is 64 RDNA4 CUsAMD is expecting about a 10% uplift per CU so it'll be weaker than thatyou're looking at about a 60% gpu performance uplift from a ps5 proby comparison, the uplift from ps5 to ps5 pro was about 40% and ps4 pro to ps5 was about 140%the lowest gen on gen uplift so far and what's really going to rape the price tag is 30gb of gddr7
>>741799480they'll subsidize the cost, and also the console will be digital-only (disc drive sold separately for $400)
>>741800251>30gb of gddr7
