>yeah just kill 20 of this extremely hard and rare enemy that gives 0 EXP or rewards to unlock the secret bossHow the fuck was anyone meant to figure this out? Did they really expect some random player to just kill a bunch of tonberries for fun?
>>741761312>he wasn't a GamePro subscribernoob
>Did they really expect some random player to just kill a bunch of tonberries for fun?Yes. You really weren't expected to know about it. Secret boss and whatnot.
>>741761312Buy the guide bookCall the hotline
>>741761721This. Cheevo culture has destroyed any sense of mystery and wonder of discovery in vidya.
>>741761312they're not a bad source of death spells so the idea was you'd probably get jumped by the king while farming
>>741761487>subscriber>not just reading it at the store while your mom did the grocery shopping
You played the older games you know tomberry is special
>>741761312>rare enemiesThere's at least one screen in the Centra ruins where only Tonberries appear as enemies.
>>741761312>Hard enemy gives you 0 EXP As a game you should instinctually know based on previous experience that this is centred around some kind of greater reward.
>>741762024You'd have a point if the area was nothing but Tonberries, but the Centra Ruins is a timed dungeon so it's not that unfeasible that Tonberries are just there as a time waster and damage check.
>>741761835I hate this false narrative. A lot of secrets in old games were intentionally designed to be so complex or stupid that you had to buy the strategy guide or a subscription to an official magazine to find out what you missed
I never got Doomtrain and I don't give a shit.
>>741762152timer goes away after you bop odin, then you'd farm tonberries with both draw and mug for death spells and knifes to refine into death spells, or AP ammo for Irvine. plenty of reason to farm the buggers outside of the king
>>741761312they are common in Odin's place and you can spam limit breaks. Nothing will ever be worse than dodging 100 lightning strikes in FFX.
>>741762197It's not about being able to realistically discover everything in a game for yourself through normal play, but about the rarefied experience of extremely niche/hidden/buried elements and the general sense that there could always be things like that hidden everywhere throughout the game. Nowadays, gamers coom their pants over it if a single minuscule trivial unknown thing about a game is discovered more than a month after launch.
>>741761312Someone at school told you about it because he was Nintendod by his uncle.
>>741762248I got him but never really used it outside of the passive effects you'd get from having it equipped. I imagine it's good in a few spots though, but FF has always been pretty bad about the utilization of status ailments and bosses.
>>741762319Like, I agree with the idea, and there's a lot of games where the idea is executed wonderfully (some that come to mind: FF7, FF8, Halo, Metal Gear), but it's almost a universally agreed upon fact at this point that FFX-2, FFXII, and Dragon Quest VIII intentionally locked secrets behind their strategy guides. (see: zodiac spear in FF12).
>>741762253Even assuming Death is so valuable that you'd want a full stack on every one of your characters, you should have a mage character who can draw 9 charges at a time and have a full stack in 12 turns, which is realistically going to happen in a single Tonberry battle.This means you only have to kill 6 Tonberries to fully farm Death, which is a far cry from the 20 you need to unlock the King battle.
100% entitlement mentality is a disease and you need to be ashamed of your ailment
>>741761312
>>741762319I think that discovering something that could make the game more satisfying to play or better after 40-50 hours is not fun or a good idea
>>741761312>zoomers don't realize most of the bullshit in old games were literally made to sell magazinesthe entire point and click genre was a segway to printed guides
>>741763723Cheat codes are another good example.
>>741763674I wouldn't say that missing out on Tonberry King is THAT big of a issue since IIRC you never get locked out of him and there is an Area where they are the only encounter that was good for AP Grinding, i think stumbling into him (Getting 20 Tonberry kills) as a blind player is more realistic then you think, especially if you already had a couple of other FFs under your belt and know Tonberries are "Special".And GF-wise Tonberry isn't THAT much, the main deal is on the final Disc to CallShop and Haggle, but Gil should never really be a issue in VIII (Even without Haggle there is a Infinite Gil exploit) and CallShop is more very slight QoL.The big deal i'd say is the Card thing.Now XII's chest system(s)? That's some bullshit.
>>741761312I love bosses that are just normal mooks with a crown on.
>>741762248>>741762346Doomtrain is the one summon worth using on all the bosses. It also has the rare 4x junctions and a special magic refinement. There are occult fan books that tell you what you need for Doomtrain.Tonberry has lvl up and down which can get you better drops or draw or reduce xp gain if you're doing that. It also has call shop so you can access any shop you've interacted with previously which is great since you can't really go back.
>>741762197BULLSHIT.You think anyone was buying a strategy guide for Mega Man X1?
>>741762661>but it's almost a universally agreed upon fact at this point that FFX-2, FFXII, and Dragon Quest VIII intentionally locked secrets behind their strategy guides. (see: zodiac spear in FF12).They might've but that doesn't take away any nobility from the devs that were doing it for the other reason.>But what about that poopman over there, slinging poop?!Well jesus christ, what about him
>>741763994XII is great. The remakes are fucked up like they always are and that is your fault. Zodiac spear isn't a good weapon and requires a huge investment to get to on the grid as well. Fomalhaut are the better choice.
>>741762661What a retarded thing to say. Gamefaqs started in 1995. Games having nothing to find is why they are all shit now and Souls dominates.
>>741762248I'm pretty sure Blaine is dangerous...
>>741761312>Did they really expect some random player to just kill a bunch of tonberries for fun?I did this
>>741764154>The remakes are fucked up like they always are and that is your faultNah, you assume too much here. I played the OG when it released and the chest stuff was still bullshit anon. Don't get so defensive over calling it opaque as fuck cause i didn't call XII as a whole shit or anything, i still enjoyed the game even back then, And to clarify i don't mean just Zodiac Spear's "DON'T OPEN THESE" Easter Egg chests, but also stuff like the Diamond Armlet and Spawn chances on top of drop chances, big difference between figuring those things out and "Kill 20 enemies to get Special BIG Enemy", which is still something XII still does.
>>741761312We didn't use to be lazy. Once uppona time.(Tapped in bed with the sheet up.)
>>741761835FFVIII GF menu is laid out like an achievement set. So it tells you you're missing some, and generally when you should find them.
>>741761312It's in thew game for the kind of autist that gets really pissed off that he got wiped by a ton and goes on to hunt down every one of them. Games used to be soulful.
>>741761487are you saying old single player games were pay to win?
>Secret Boss is SecretNO WAY!
>>741761721 Doomtrain was a secret for a fucking decade.
>>741761312The guidebooks for FF games were also great sources of the art of the game. Well worth the purchase. I had the VIII & X guides in near mint condition until a few years ago when I threw them out.Many regrets.
>>741764974We thought that final empty slot was Minimog for YEARS. What's your point?
>>741761312>he didn't junction death to attack
>>741765151No? I got it as a kid in the early 2000s.
>>741761312Did it you talk to friends at school and read gaming mags?
>>741761312>Rare.There's fucking nothing BUT tonberries in the area, retard-sama.
>>741765424You...do realize that they're immune to instant death...right?
>>741765151Doomtrain is literally in the launch day strategy guide you smoothbrain
>>741765520He's saying Tonberries are the easiest source of death spell.
>>741761312VIII's secrets are kino>King Tonberry >Doom Train >Seifer BTFOing Odin and getting Gilgamesh out of it>deep sea research place with Bahamut at the bottom >creepy shadow monster in the lake
>>741765541Shut the fuck up, retard. For YEARS, people thought that slot was for minimog. It took over a decade for Doomtrain to become common knowledge.
>>741761312>secret boss is a secret>this infuriates the /v/edditor
>>741761312stuf like this was meant to sell Strategy Guides because your lil baby ass wasn't going to get up, go to the one room in the house with a computer, kick your dad off dial-up AOL so you could spend 30 minutes trying to load gamefaqs, find the right guide, find the information, and then go back to playingand if anyone called your house during those 30 minutes you got disconnected
>>741761312they expected the player to buy the guide or miss out lol
>>741765684The UFO as well.
>>741765771>muh minimogThe only people sounding like autistic retards are you and your friends fella. Doomtrain known from day 1.
FF8 was really quite a ballsy experiment in the FF seriesMaking a mainline entry all about collecting card and playing Triple Triad, with a whole RPG as side content?Ballsy
>>741765936 WHAT I SAID WAS THE TRUTH, NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP.I don't know how you got this far without walking into traffic, but you're still here, and that's a real shame for the rest of humanity.
>tfw you don't get to log on to supercheats to see the new and exciting tech on how to catch mew every time a new pokemon is out
>>741766182What you say was your reality at the time, welcome to the real world Neo.
>>741766275Just to shut you the fuck up, let me remind EVERYONE that the game was from 1998. The internet JUST became a common household thing. On top of that, NOT EVERYONE BOUGHT THE FUCKING STRATEGY GUIDES FOR EVERY GAME. Now do the human race a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool.
>>741766309Just because you and your friends were too poor for the guide or internet, doesn't mean it wasn't always known.
>>741766379ok, you're just a retarded troll. Got it. kys.
It's a secret.If you were expected to find it then it wouldn't be a secret."Did they really expect-" NO they didn't really expect. It's a secret.By definition a secret is something you aren't supposed to know.Furthermore, the only way you would know that you missed the secret is by cheating and looking it up. As a kid you wouldn't know that you were "missing out" on anything, you would just enjoy playing the game while remaining unaware.
>>741766489I'm sorry that your view of the world at large is so narrow. I wish you the best.
>>741766697cry harder retard
A 'secret' that is designed to be discovered isn't much of a secret.
>>741761312If you were hunting for secret shouldn't the weirdly unrewarding difficult enemy that literally gives 0 exp, be the first place to look.
>>741761312I figure it out by myself, 20 are not a lot and there's a lot of random encounters in the Odin stage
>>741765151I remember having it but I also had the big fucking strategy guide for 8 as well.
>>741761312We had gamefaqs back then. Also these things die so easily just by spamming limit breaks.
>was too stupid to defeat Ultima Weapon>fight Tiamat in the castle>mfw you can draw Eden from it
>>741766658Well in this case you'd know cause you have a big list of summons and one of the slots would be conspicuously empty if you never fight it.
>>741767767Yup. It wasn't common knowledge (or even really known about in GENERAL) for a very long time.
The Card Queen quest is the most cryptic bullshit in FF8. Now that's something no one has done without a guide.
>>741763545I played both games and I have zero clue what this means.
>>741767994Ok yeah probably lol.
FF8 was way too hard for me as a kid. I never finished it and I didn't buy the guide because I didn't want to continue. I preferred 7, 9 and 10.I did go back and beat 8 as an adult, using a guide, and it was pure kino
>>741762302*200 and there's a spot you can farm it because lightning will always strike at that spotIf you insist on grinding out everything in FFX, filling all the sphere grids, blitzballing, butterflies and chocobo racing are all much worse.
>>741768129Let me guess, kid you grinded in the game and never run from battle.
>>741768465Yep. I also didn't understand the junction system. Now it seems pretty reasonable but kid me was overwhelmed by the explanation. Also having to manually draw magic instead of refining is fucking AIDs but of course kid me didn't know any better
>>741764108>FFX-2If that game had better fighting music it would be the best rpg out of most of them.
>>741768129FF9 is the hardest of the ps1 trio.
>>741761312Just print the gamefaqs guide to guardian forces from your moms job in 1999 like I did.
>>741761312The fuck? The second screen of Odin's dungeon, the circle platform has them. The only other enemy encounter on the screen is the skeleton and Tonberry is more common than the skeleton.How fucking new?
>>741762248i foughted doomtwain in ffxiv
>>741768656All you have to do is just grind. I had infinite time as a kid
>>741768656>>741768920Wrong. I beat FF9's Ozma, the optional super boss, with 2 of my characters wearing the beach clothes. Ozma is not even hard, it's just RNG. You simply bring it down with auto 9999 attacks like Steiner's Shock, Zidane's Thievery, Quina's Frog Drop and Freya's Dragon Crest. Ozma has less than 100k HP so you need to land less than 10 hits on it.
>>741769045How is anything I said wrong?
>>741769067If you are the other guy, I'm sorry I accidentally clicked your post number too. Or maybe it was RNG.
>>741762346>FF has always been pretty bad about the utilization of status ailments and bosses.People often say this and are then shocked years later that so-and-so was susceptible to Berserk or Silence or something. "Slow" cripples Bizarro Sephiroth, for example.
>>741768783What could possibly compel you to stay on that screen grinding Tonberries if you didn't know about the king ahead of time?
>>741769261It was 1999, yeah? By that time cool guys like me were already using internet for gamin forums and guides. I remember seeing mention of Tonberry GF and that you needed to kill 20 of them for the boss to appear.
>>741765771I was 6 years old when I played FF8 in 2001, even back then i knew about doomtrain because of gamewinners. I even knew about the playstation pocket JP exclusive summons but thought they where available if you bought a pocket
>>741769045he's LITERALLY not rng. He has the most brutally complex battle script in the fucking game. Grinding won't save you from DOOMSDAY.>>741769248So many instances of this, sadly. I know of a few final bosses vulnerable to Poison/sap. Also, Diablos was vulnerable to blind.>>741769261Chef's Knives are nice, for one. They refine into AP Ammo and Death. They're also needed to make my favorite Gunblade, Punishment.>>741769373That doesn't make what I said any less true. Congrats, you got lucky and knew a guy. Nobody cares.
>>741769261You know how there are items that raise character's compatibility with GF? When you auto-arrange the items, all same sort of items are lumped together. Guess where Tonberry's drop Chef Knife goes. Take a wild fucking guess. Go ahead.
>>741769523OH SHIT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT LOL
>>741769486Dude, I beat Ozma with two of my characters wearing beach clothes that give 0 stat ups. It's rng.
>>741769580You literally did not. He is REACTIVE, THERE IS NO RNG.
>>741769523>>741769572You can also look at the cards, every card is a monster, GF or character in the game. Once you get the King Tonberry but never see it in game things get a little more obvious. Just in case you had any doubt, a sleeping kid in one of the schools mentions King TonberryI got stumped twice in this game. Trying to find Pupu the second or third time, and when you first go to the Cetra continent they tell you to take the bridge by Fisherman's Horizon, I tried to just go via the world map and didn't realize you had to go in the actual town and cross over
>>741769523So what?There's also a Cactuar GF but getting him doesn't involve killing 20 Cactuars.The fact that a Tonberry boss and GF exist isn't the actual secret part.
>>741769668>He is REACTIVEI had my dudes at different levels so he'd waste turns casting L4 Holy.
>>741769486play the video game
>>741769865I just checked your claim. It's bullshit. Literally EVERY SINGLE ATTACK he can do will wipe out a character no matter what. INCLUDING LEVEL 4 HOLY. HE WON'T CAST IT IF IT WON'T HIT.On TOP of that, you will lose instantly if he does an aoe. Quit lying.>>741769907Shut the fuck up retard. What I said is still true, cry about it.
>>741768920I played FF9 recently without grinding or running away from battles. I found myself buying 90+ potions and using those after a battle, saving all my tents. It's also weird how FF9 only becomes hard whenever you have to steal something from a boss or eat to learn Blue Magic.
>>741769865ALSO, HE DOESN'T WASTE TURNSHE GETS ONE TURN EVERY TIME YOU DO. HIS ATB LITERALLY INSTANTLY FILLS TO 100% WHEN YOU DO ANYTHING.
>>741769956If 15 yo old me could accidentally kill Ozma with 2 of my characters wearing the beach clothes so can you. Just git a gud RNG roll.
>>741769956Whoa I'm not the dude you were talking too. But yeah I had my different levels so Holy L4 would hit only that dude.
>>741769806Once you know it exists you have a reasonable chance of figuring out how to get it if you really look.
>>741770102He LITERALLY would have murdered you the moment you hit him Quit lying. He DOES NOT have turns. You DID NOT beat him. You LIED about how his ai works. You lied and said it was rng. Just stop. You got caught. Just stop.
>>741770117My bad, but holy shit. That dude is so full of shit. The sheer AUDACITY of him to lie so blatantly....just fucking wow.
>>741761312Theres hints in the game about how to get Doomtrain without a guide. Tonberry King though, yeah I dont think anyone got him without online help.
>>741764527In the original, chests with good shit have the same drop normal/rare w/wo armlet. Chests still have spawn chances but none are that bad. The exception is the spear area. The remake is where everything is moved to the coast with 1% chance to show up 1% chance to drop.
>using Laguna to fight Diablos with dat musicKINOOOOOOOOOO
>>741770234You can't beat FF7's Emerald Weapon or Ruby Weapon with a luck. You can't beat FF8's Omega Weapon with a luck. You can beat FF9's Ozma with luck.Also FF9's boss theme sucks compared to FF7 and FF8's boss themes. Also FF9's Tetra Master sucks compared to FF8's Triple Triad
>>741770317I just checked his script for that EXACT scenario. You literally wouldn't survive the first turn. He's programmed to instantly cast either Meteor or doomsday, and his ai decides that DOOMSDAY is the optimal choice. You literally just game over after a single hit.
>played ff7 with random tips from game magazines>got on the internet in time for 8>then decided I wanted the real guide book for 9
>>741770452You literally cannot. Brute forcing him does not work. You HAVE to play smart. Now fuck off. If you have 2 party members alive with any aloha gear on, he SKIPS using shit like Level 4 Holy and Level 5 Death. He just starts nuking your party with Doomsday after Doomsday which does an estimated 12k damage.
>>741770482Just need to have Absorb Darkness with any of the 2 remaining characters. Dooms Day? More like Brooms Gay!
>>741770584Not how it works. If he detects that, he uses meteor which is even MORE deadly. Also THAT ISN'T ALOHA GEAR. THANKS FOR ADMITTING THAT YOU LIED.
>>741770452>You can't beat FF8's Omega Weapon with a luck
>>741770674Just because 2 of my characters were wearing beach clothes doesn't mean the other 2 guys were naked.
>>741770564>He just starts nuking your party with Doomsday after Doomsday which does an estimated 12k damage.NTA I swear if you have Absorb Darkness only makes him use Doomsday only every few turns.
>>741762248Neither did I but I got the TK
>>741769248Slow is godly for FF bosses.
>>741770742 He ONLY takes living characters into account. If you have aloha gear on and have absorb darkness on even ONE character, his ai sees this and goes for raw damage instead. SO HE USES METEOR.
>>741770526You poor bastard
>>741769486Diablos heals characters that hard cast demi on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKyBwfHg3m4
>>741770915Can't remember how I figured out myself, but I got to inflict slow on some FF boss and ever since that day, I always tried at least that any other FF game.It's genuinely one of the best moves you get, especially combined with Haste on all your party.
>>741771020Does he? That's a new one lol.
>>741771116It might prevent a wipe to Terra Break, but only once lolYou still have to do the fight proper because that is NOT happening a second time.
>>741766309Like 25% of the Internet in 1999 was FF fansites.
>>741771116hehe, after my initial playthrough I refused Angelo to learn anything but Invincible Moon because there was no point to have it have access to any filler abilities.Also I'm surprised Rinoa-Angelo never made it to "You just know"-memes despite Rinoa being a white passing woman and Angelo being male dog
>>741771335Doesn't change that fact that I'm still right. Cry about it.
>>741766309Uh I was using my library's internet computer since 1994 for my nerd interests of comics and video games.
>>741771381>Also I'm surprised Rinoa-Angelo never made it to "You just know"-memes despite Rinoa being a white passing woman and Angelo being male dogI've seen one of Quistis and Nanaki, so yeah. How the fuck did Rinoa get away with that?
>>741771425It is kind of quaint that you post like a fangirl from early 2000s Internet, I guess.
>>741771445So you're in your 50's or had your parents driving you around. That doesn't change the fact that I'm right.
>>741764056>It also has call shop so you can access any shop you've interacted with previouslyHoly shit this is huge
>>741770391I did it as listed above. There are also autists who collect 99 of every item in the game, etc. and other shit who would have likely figured it out and spread the news but I am guessing people like that had the guide and were on the net. Guides being so widespread kind of killed the secrets only word of mouth would know about. But then again, I had the guide for 7 and there are still a shitload of secrets not in it and they don't go into depth at all on the deeper shit you can do with the materia system, or hidden stats, etc
>>741771335Can confirm. In my PC class in 1999 we needed to design a website and I made website that was guide how to get all Enemy Skills in FF7
>>741771541The only one being a little bitch here is you, you bitch ass retard.
>>741761835that and wikistoday it only takes few days for wiki to pop up and ruin any sense of discoverythen come the speedtranners and minmaxers
>>741771381Wait, does that actually work?
>>741771557Nah, I just lived and still live in Europe where basic services like libraries and shops and offices are in walking distance. I dunno what it is with americans trying to make everything to accomodate car owners.
>>741771664four letters and tiny hats
>>741768129>>741768602This is just another proof that all the hate for FF8 is from people getting filtered
>>741771603I may have actually used that in the early 2000's. I found an enemy skill list online and I could never find it again.>>741771627This. We will never again have the joy of hearing from a friend who hear from a friend who heard from a friend's brother about some secret summon that required you to find 4 magazines to figure it out. I remember when the hunt for doomtrain really kicked up in my school. We had like 10 kids all scrambling around trying to find the magazines, and we'd bring in notes of what they said to share with the others.
>>741771656It's not like it GUARANTEES Invincible Moon because Angelo comes with one learned ability already but it does up the chances of Invincible Moon hitting because there's not so many filler abilities clogging the roulette.>>741771579The FF7 guide that came with a british gaming mag was for the japanese version and it was released before the euro release and it had Rude being Ruudo, Scarlet Sukareetto and Heidegger Haideeka. It did give guide to the main game but not for any optional stuff.
>>741771710Fucking elfs, I swear
>>741771664At least WE have air conditioning, you limey fuck.
>>741770426>In the original, chests with good shit have the same drop normal/rare w/wo armlet. Chests still have spawn chances but none are that bad. The exception is the spear area. The remake is where everything is moved to the coast with 1% chance to show up 1% chance to drop.Doesn't look like that to me, though i am admittedly going by the old Piggyback guide and what is "good shit" is relative. As said, im not talking about the remakes or 1% im talking about THESE mechanics in general, not just any specific chest or item, while there is shit with "locked" contents regardless of if you wear the armlet or not and has the same item in both item dropslots with a 100% item drop that was not the norm either. Pardon the shitty photo.My point is that it was definitely a multiple coinflipping affair and the Diamond Armlet was definitely not consistent on if you should/should not wear it when opening a chests.
>>741772061Did you know current US is considered developing country? The country that used to be the leader of the 1st world has sunken into 3rd world shithole :D Enjoy your oligarchs and no employee rights and limited freedom and political choices.
>>741772198Enjoy dying in 80 degree heat!
>>741772107I hate that I recognize the map by memory.Played FFXII one too many times.
>>741772238Hahah, russian vatnik propaganda is how Europe will freeze in winter and US alt-right propaganda is how Europe will die in the summer heat. Meanwhile us europeans just band in closer to form stronger union that outpowers both US and Russia :D
>>741772329Hey, they're the ones that bitch about the heat.
I'm not european - I'm a middle earthernot west not east fuck you i walk into mordor in summer heat
>>741763165>drawing from enemiesDo retards really?
>>741768064I don't know how hard these tonberries were hard to find but these djnn would be in a single patch of grass in the overworld and there were what felt like billions of them in a massive overworld. even 7th dragon would tell you how many there are left to find.
>>741773396Only retards think Drawing is bad. Retards are also the only ones that will sit there and draw 600 of a spell instead of playing the game. SMART people will use a combination of Drawing and Refining to keep their magic up to snuff.
>>741773663Flint was the very first one iirc. You literally couldn't miss him.He basically forces himself on you.
>>741762302The butterflies were worse for me, since I'm colorblind.
>>741761312You weren't meant to find secret bosses easily, that's why they were secret. It was to sell strategy guides.
>>741764527>equip the diamond armlet to get better treasure! (It actually locks you out of getting all the good loot lol)
>>741769486>>741765151are you from third world country? these things shipped with guides day 1
>>741773396Drawing is the most efficient way to get a lot of spells (basically anything that you don't have the refine materials for incidentally from battles), and the earliest way to get some spells as well.It's always funny that people will jump on spending hours playing triple triad as the "proper" way to play the game, but spending about a minute drawing 100 spells is the worst thing they've ever experienced.
>>741774027 Not everyone BOUGHT them, retard. Kids back then weren't as braindead as you. Also, most of us bought them at ACTUAL STORES.
>>741774113It takes way longer than a minute, because they INSIST on doing it the moment they exit Balamb Garden, They're drawing one or two stacks, if they succeed at all. Once you hit Disc 2, drawing is pretty consistently giving you +6 or higher.
>>741766613sexo
>>741773742
>>741774027Not everyone bought them and on occasion the guides had research errors even when offical, if you like Pokémon im sure you have seen "Professor Oak Tips".That said, Guides could be pretty comfy, i always found a nicer experience using a book to double check info as you play then phone scrolling or using a laptop, although those have their advantage with searching. Ah, the good old Prima VS BradyGames times.
>>741771381>and Angelo being male dogAngelo is female, despite the name.
>>741761312frenberries are cool and good
>>741774663
>>741762197>hate this false narrativeOfficial strategy guides didn't really take off till the PS1, and nobody really knew what to do with them, like look at the Final Fantasy 9 guide for fucks sake. Games were not made to sell Nintendo Power, Nintendo Power was made to sell games you pants on head retard. Nintendo wasn't making money on a $20 annual subscription, they had to create, print and ship 12 magazines for that price. Eventually they gave out free t-shirts with every subscription too
>>741774679Fun fact: her full name is Sant' Angelo di Roma
>>741774359Uh you just need mag junction to up your mag for more spells drawn with draw. Only if the spell is high tier it might vome with less than 9 drawn in one go. I dont know what you babbling about discs but I play optimally myself and replayed FF8 over 10 times so might be a skill issue on your end
>>741774940A full stack of water wouldn't be enough for consistent 9's at level 1 with no Magic+X% abilities. Stfu.
>>741762661>Dragon Quest VIII intentionally locked secrets behind their strategy guidesDid you have the strategy guide? It didn't even have a complete alchemy table
>>741775036There are no characters that are lvl 1
>>741775226Don't be a retard-yes yes, I know that's hard for you, but seriously, fuck off. You know what I meant.
>>741775036You have access to Tornado by the end of Ifrit Cave with Quezacotl's Card refining and Thunder/Wind refining and Balamb Garden students using the Abyss Worm cards that turn into Windmills and Windmills turn to Tornados.
>>741775478>just spend 4 hours grinding triple triad so you can have enough magic to draw 9 spells
>>741775478Yeah man, most casual players and kids knew and did that
>>741775478Oh shut the fuck up, retard. RNG is not a valid response. Fuck off.>>741775596>>just spend 4 hours grinding triple triad so you can have enough magic to draw 9 spellsExactly. How retarded can you be?
>>741762661What was so hidden in FFX-2? I did that shit no guide as a kid only issue I remembered is I got stuck at 99 percent and had to search for that last thing to do and I remember one enemy being a pita to get the enemy skill from (maybe in Thunder Plains?)
You can go really low effort through the game until you get the Ragnarok, then just draw from the hidden draw points on the Island Closest to Hell, level to 100, and refine what you have.
>>7417755964 hours? Eh, I can give you one hour but after that you are bound to have enough Abyss Worm cards for three 100 stacks of Tornados and since you wont have 3 Str Junctions until Diablos or was it Brothers, you are bound to have your Mag junction character have the Tornados in their Mag
>>741764052I love when a boss becomes a regular enemy later in the game.
>>741775759FFX-2 locks you out of 100% if you do certain quests in wrong order when there's multiple quests you need to do for the chapter
It's one thing to break a game over your knee with oversights, exploits and obtuse shit because that's fun for youIt's another thing to follow some guide to do that on your first playthrough, then bitch that the game let you do it at all.
>>741774546That's a fish, anon
>>741775832It takes 45 minutes to just play the game and get SIREN. You CANNOT be this retarded.>>741775996This. 100% this.
>>741776058Siren doesn't have Str junction
>>741761312>this type of things happens in a game>say fuck it and do it once after grinding for ages and finding out or after looking it up>lose save or restart game or if it’s multiplayer start a new character for whatever reason>REALLY dont feel like doing it again
>>741775937You also can't skip cutscenes (Keep in mind that this was the FIRST FF with skippable cutscenes) and IIRC not pre-emptly end Machaen (sp? Talky Old man) early when he does his scenes cause that counts to % which was what left quite a few people short a few % if i remember the old discourse right.
>>741776054I...is it? I don't think it IS. I don't know what it is, but I'm PRETTY sure it ain't a fish.
>>741776130Magic-X% Skills, you absolute kumquat. Do you just NOT have Object Permanence or something? Do you have Brain Damage? Do you have a 2 second memory? How can you be this fucking pathetically retarded?
>>741774841you're a fucking idiotmagazines get all their money from advertising. they should be free to the consumer, and they would be if it wasn't for old women who still purchase them regularly
>>741776162It's got a fish tail so I've always assumed they're fish adjacent
>>741776343thisthe t-shirts were probably a crisis of conscience
>>741776375I think they're supposed to be more like Kappas...
>>741776264I don't use Mag plusses. I use Str plusses and limit breaks. Squall, Zell and Irvine are my Str guys and Quistis/Selphie/Rinoa are my Mag gals. Up until Aura I don't remember my Mag gals drawing less than 9 spells on their Draws
It would be funny if they did an actual straightforward remake for the game that already had weird time travel shit in the plot
>>741776440I don't think you should fuck a kappa either
>>741762197Secrets are not necessaries, those games dont even have completion percents.
>>741776467Then you're not the retard I was speaking to. I was talking to the retard who would rather gamble for rng to give him 5 very specific cards instead of just fucking playing the game.>>741776546Well...true.
>>741765086Yes but winning only really matters in multiplayer.
>>7417758324 hours was a bit of an exaggeration, but farming abyss worms that early does take a long time. The NPCs in the garden that can use abyss worms have three levels of cards, which gives them a 33 card pool to pull from randomly. You can sit there for 15 minutes and not even SEE an abyss worm card, god forbid you wind up in a draw accidentally once you finally do.
>>741776610I like Triple Triad. It rewards you for playing. In early 2000s we played the online fan version Triple Triad X with my school mates
>>741776698I don't know if it's placebo but the girl in the library seems to be using the worm card so much I always go to play against her when I want them worms
I don't know about you guys, but I only really bought strategy guides back in the day to gawk at the concept art inside. This was long before we got artbooks released in the US
>>741776516Well...Ultimecia is stuck for eternity in a hell of her own making, so that can't happen. Not that I would WANT a demake. NOBODY with a functioning brain stem wants the game to become a shitty hack n slash.>>741776698Bingo. 4 hours is NOT an exaggeration. I once tried to get an early Steel Pipe this way. I was trying for like 5 hours and change before I said fuck it and just started my file over so I could play normally...I prefer the in game timer to reflect my ACTUAL playtime.
>>741776516Why would you remake a good game? Remakes are only ever done for trash.
>>741761312Dude, if some super autistic fuck can figure this out, fighting 20 tonberrys is a complete non issue.
I am kindly asking you to stop talking about my favorite Final Fantasy or I will be forced to replay it for the 100th time. This is your final warning. I never bothered with defeating Omega Weapon
>>741775937Ah okay, I remember playing through the game multiple times and finding tons of different mini-routes and outcomes and shit
I tried the low-level, run from every battle, grind cards shit and it was awful.Playing it straight like any other FF game the way I did it the first time is the best way to goFighting Ultimecia at level 100 makes it the best final boss in the series
>>741761805I remember when I was 6 I got my mum to call the hotline for Atlantis on PS1, had no clue what the fuck to do
>>741776156That's what stops me from replaying X, no way I am doing the monster collecting again
>>741776985For Omega Weapon, refine Gilgamesh card into Holy Wars. If you did Card Club quest in Balamb Garden and of course you did because you wouldnt have Gilgamesh card if you didnt, you can play with the CC in Disc4 in Ragnarok. They have all the rare cards you missed, lost or refined bar PuPu
>>741777029Also, reminder, Great Attractor is her ACTUALLY smashing you with FUCKING PLANETS. Sephiroth's Supernova wasn't a real supernova.Ultimecia is literally ripping planets out of other timelines TO CRUSH YOU.
The PS1 games were designed so you need to buy a guide to know the secret content. Both FF7 and FF8 had official Brady Games strategy guides and FF9 had that shitty PlayOnline crap.
>>741767850>Also these things die so easily just by spamming limit breaks.I mean, that's just FF8 in general. Play cards for about 2 or 3 hours at the start and walk into Dollet with almost end game stats and one shot almost every enemy with limit breaks.
>>741777029No! DONT RUN! Turn the enemies into cards to get AP but not EXP. You need AP for GFs to learn abilities!
>>741776871I would like higher resolution backgrounds.AI upscaling is still garbage and will probably never get better since AI has hit the fucking wall, so SE would have to re-make all the background scenes and then re-render them anyway, so they might as well be full 3D at that point.
>>741776985Hmmmm nah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXWB5jQ_nuY
Did anyone else's bugged Phoenix Pinion chance to revive party 5 times in a row against Ultimecia/Griever?I somehow did that on my first blind playthrough as a teen back when I didn't understand the system but I got revived so many times by that Phoenix I thought I discovered a cheat. I wasn't able to recreate this on my later future playthroughs>how bad were you back thenThe only way to do 9999 damage to bosses halfway through Disc2 was Diablos and I was spamming that nigger
>>741777306This is already a mod on pc.
>>741777404And it sucks, as I said. AI upscaling looks like hot shit.
>>741777306But that wouldn't be a remake. A remake is a new game from the ground up that more or less follows the original's story and setting.A remaster has already been done, but Square is notoriously careless with source code and assets, so a good one can't really be done. It'd take a fan redesigning and rendering new backgrounds.
>>741777272You don't even need to junction. Squall and Zell limit breaks will melt anything. As long as your third guy has phoenix downs/cure/items, you can kill anything. The only thing that requires thought is Ultima and Omega Weapon.
>>741777379You lucky motherfucker.Also, Diablos gave me a SERIOUS appreciation for Gravity damage.>>741777473That's even MORE of a "fuck no" They'll censor it and remove a bunch of shit. NO.
>>741777556>You don't even need to junctionSigh. Have fun dying to a single Wendigo, retard.
>>741776917The desert prison rosetta stone is bullshit though. At least you can brute force the Tonberry's.
>>741777571>Diablosforce of habit made me also use him on my second playthrough even though i was doing nearly enough damage with base attacks lmao
>>741761312shut the fuck up you whiny retarded bitch god damnall you do is bitch and moan
>>741777473>A remake is a new game from the ground up that more or less follows the original's story and setting.A remake is where all the assets are new, I think what you're talking about is a reimagining or reinterpretation, like DQVII-R or Romeo+Juliet (DiCaprio movie)What I'm saying is that because they lost the original renders, they would HAVE to recreate the background scenes again, and at that point it's a remake and not a remaster. A remaster is putting the original assets through a filter or cleaning it up digitally, think remastered movie releases that go back to the original film transfer. SE can't do that here even if they wanted to now.So I want higher resolution, clear backgrounds, which will have to be remade from scratch, so even if they followed the exact game 1:1 that would still make it a remake.
>>741777753Nta but the only way to get thread going is to be negative or ragebaiting. If you posted "I like this thing about the game" the thread would archive with less than 10 posts in it
>>741777674I Renzokuken and win
Ragnarok is the coolest airship ever and I wish they let us fly it in space manually too
>>741778131Nope. 1 Wendigo kills you.No junctions mean you don't survive, you don't go first, and you don't kill it.
>>741777869That's a remaster.
>>741777869>theres still a slim possibility that ff8's assets are sitting on some old pc somewhereso you're saying there's a chance
>>741778220The japanese figures for FF8 came with parts of Ragnarok and if you collected all figures you could build the Ragnarok from the parts
>>741778254Remaster = cleaned up original assetsRemake = new assets made from scratchThey cannot clean up the original backgrounds to modern resolution, so they would have to be remade. Therefore, by definition, a remake.
>>741778224I use Enc-None
>>741778220VIII had the most fun with the map stuff even before Ragnarok honestly.>Roads>Multiple models of Rental Cars.>Trains.>Garden can't truly fly, but it can glide, which you need to use to reach some shit.
>>741778328I'm STILL mad that I never got my hands on the full set. >>741778404Bullshit you did.
>>741767994Most cryptic thing about TT was working out how to rest the Random rule.
>>741778478I spam limit breaks on the fish to farm AP to learn Enc-None
>>741778474If only the game made more use of those, like a dungeon that could only be accessed by a special train route into an abandoned track, or a town that could only be reached by car somehow.
>>741778630bullshit you do. You ain't killing ANYTHING reliably, and you ain't killing the fish AT ALL. They spawn in groups and they WILL kill you before you kill them. Period.Also, End-None is a junction. So...You wanna rephrase? Or should we just acknowledge that you're lying and call it a day?
>>741778845I already did two limit break spammy playthroughs
>>741778360Technically, can't they blow them up then use color match and retouch them to eliminate pixellation and artefacts?
>>741777869Can't they get the backgrounds from the files on the disc?
>>741778924Quit derailing. You lied. Just admit it. You did NOT do a no junction run.
>>741778845Enc-None is not a junction but a party ability
>>741761312It wasn't very hard. You had to explore the area, and the encounter rate was very very high (iirc). So, you basically would unlock this if you spent any reasonable amount of time exploring the castle
>>741779068The backgrounds on the disc are like 240p in resolution. And Squaresoft deleted the source code and assets so they can't rerender it at higher res.
>>741779068You're assuming that they HAVE a disc. They'd have to FIND one. They don't keep those.>>741779116It's a junction. ALL abilities require you to JUNCTION them. So stfu and quit lying.YOU DID NOT DO A NO JUNCTION SYSTEM RUN.No junction means No item,s no spells, no draw, no revive, no abilities NO NOTHING. You can ONLY attack and limit break. You will DIE the moment you find a wendigo or any other enemy with the ability to do an aoe.
>>741779109I did. Zell's Punch Rush and Booya loop stat melts all the enemies.
>>741776917Just looked this up... wtf were they thinking>>741777201I could never bring myself to refine unique cards
>>741779174Yes, but you REALLY wanted to do it AFTER you got Odin. Otherwise you'd have to keep leaving to reset the timer.>>741779334Nope. Quit lying. You aren't doing fuck all without meltdown or junctions. The ONLY reason Armageddon fist works is because of MAGIC and JUNCTIONING.
>>741779116I'll just step in hear to point out that this is all argument about semantics.To use Party Abilities (or do much of anything really) you need to JUNCTION a GF that then Junction the Command/Passive.A "Junctionless" Run would not only include not Junctioning Magic, but also not Junctioning GFs, and al that shit.Basically, it's all autism about a poor choice of words.
>>741779412anon all the enemies die quickly if you just skip leveling
>>741779445Semantics aside, he's still lying. There are a FUCKLOAD of enemies that will oneshot you before you can move if you tried that without SOME sort of plan apart from "spam limit break".
small status effect knowledge here but in FF7 if you get Cross-Slash before you fight Sewer Apt(? the boss after Don Corneo) it'll inflict Stop and render one of the early game "wall" bosses completely ineptalso i think Lifa Tree in FF9 can be zombie'd and phoenix down for instant kill, in fact cottages(or tents, whichever inflict MAD status effects if used in battle) trivialize that whole game
>>741779551Nta but sounds like skill issue.
>>741779535He's NOT skipping levels. HE'S JUST LYING. He's made so many obvious blunders such as claiming that it worked on the fish WHICH IT DOESN'T. They have SUCH a disgusting innate damage resistance while buried that they WILL NOT DIE unless you use junctions.
>>741779626No, you're just a retard piece of shit liar. I know the ins and outs of these enemies, and you've exposed yourself SEVERAL times as being a fucking liar.
>>741779535Only if you junction your stats. With just base stats and no leveling? lel
>>741779587Yes and in FF7 in Gongaga you can pick up an X-Potion and if you use it on Gi Natak in the next town Cosmo Canyon, it one shots 100% guaranteed it. Phoenix Down has chance to miss.
>>741779663>they WILL NOT DIE unless you use junctions.PROVE IT!!
>>741779587>also i think Lifa Tree in FF9 can be zombie'd and phoenix down for instant killJust use Soft. They even tell you this before you go there.
>>741779663People have done no junction runs before and beat the game.
>>741761924The only thing special about him is that he's a super dangerous lategame enemy that oneshots you.
>>741779412Zell has never-ending combo with Up Down, Left Left O, O X, Up Down and so on you can start at any point and the next prompt window will always have the next move for the combo. When you know that, you can input the next move in tenths of seconds because you don't need to wait the prompt window to fully open to see available moves
>>741779738god i love what i call Resident Evil game design of "get thing, use thing"such a clever, passive way of teaching obtuse game mechanicsalso Materia Keeper (boss in the mountains near Rocket Town) can be Stopped, i only know bc sometimes that boss can just wipe me for no good rhyme or reason by spamming Trine
>>741779793Soft works on stone enemies. The Iifa Tree boss is not a stone enemy, but undead
>>741779731Exactly. Junctions are the only reason that would ever be possible.>>741779775Even LIONHEART might not be enough to kill a buried fish.>>741779801NOT BY EXCLUSIVELY SPAMMING LIMIT BREAKS THEY HAVEN'T. He is LITERALLY CLAIMING that he did impossible. NO HE FUCKING DIDN'T.>>741779887THAT ISN'T NEVER ENDING. YOU STILL HAVE A TIME LIMIT, AND WITH NO JUNCTIONS, IT AIN'T KILLING WITHOUT CONSTANT CRITS. AND EVEN THEN IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.
>>741779979The combo is never-ending meaning it always links to the next attack. Have you noticed the angrier you get the more CAPS LOCKS you use?
>>741764056None of this matters because it's a piss easy game, not even Ultima and Omega Weapon need Doomtrain
>>741780057JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU DIDN'T DO THE IMPOSSIBLE. QUIT CLAIMING OTHERWISE.
>>741779793damn i missed that hint, time to play 9 againSoft is an instant kill on Lifa Tree? is it because thematically the Lifa Tree is stagnant and petrified or something? i spent a lot of time in that area since my discs got scratched and would frequently freeze up during the FMV after when you get Leviathan
I beat FF8 without junctions
>>741780140 I...have never had to deal with such a shameless liar in my life.... How do people get to be that full of shit...?
>>741780142Iifa tree. Not Lifa. Iifa. With two i's with the first one being capital I
>>741770452The rules are a little obtuse but once you learn them it's really fun
>>741780179Well congrats.
Just spam limit breaks and run on the train tracks and save alot.
>>741780254Triple Triad cards can be turned into items and the items into spells. Tetra Master cards can be... uh... well you can't do anything else but play the inferior card game.
>>741780247brb killing selfack
>>741780140I did though.
>>741780247Why I hate arial fonts, capital "i" really needs the crossbars
>>741780447OH MY GOD JUST FUCK OFF.
>>741780601You don't have to believe me, but I have.
>>741780553yeah i just feel retarded but i dont know if i can break 20 years of calling it the Lifa Tree, felt more thematic since death and stagnation is a heavy motif in that dungeonlike even as a kid Iifa Tree was how it was supposed to be but i just defaulted to Lifa Tree idk
>>741761312>super tough monster that gives np xp which is unique to this enemy Sounds like an obvious hint to me.
>>741779941Materia Keeper is behind Nibelheim.
>>741761312There's empty slots in the GF screen. You're bound to view the internet for the answer.Also this reminds me or something similar, has anyone ever gotten Aerith's final limit break on their first playthough without a guide when FF7 came out?
>>741769907FF8 might honestly have one of the best uses of in-universe world building that then relates to game mechanics, even from the very first screen many story beats and gameplay elements are laid out bare if you just explore Squall's desk a little and do some extra reading
>>741777675you can RNG manip to get the rosetta stone easily, i farmed like 4 of them in an hour or so
>>741780641NO YOU FUCKING DIDN'T. EAT A DICK YOU FUCKING RETARD. IT IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
>>741780879Materia Keeper guards the exit from Mt Nibel to Rocket Town area. After beating it, you can pick Counter Attack materia it was standing on.
>>741781020I'll prove it to you.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/19238
>>741780978Laguna played the knight in a movie Sorceress' Knight. Seifer was inspired by it and wanted to become Sorceress' Knight and he copied his gunblade stance from Laguna.Squall unknowingly became Sorceress' Knight and first time meeting Rinoa, Rinoa jokingly placed a spell on Squall to like her
>>741780879man i was debating saying the mountains near Nibelheim or Rocket Town lmaoi chose Rocket Town because i thought you go there first but considering you get the Tiny Bronco immediately after my timeline might be skewed woospsieseither way fuck that boss sometimes he goes full retard on me, only other boss i ever got stuck on was Hojo bc i used too much magic materia as a kid and he can pop ya pretty quick and suddenly
>>741779979Oh yeah I remember those buried fish. They were great on junctionless runs due to the amount of ap they give. I myself have done a couple when I was a young lad.
>>741781240>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/19238Shut the fuck up retard. You're just changing your story now. YOU said that you ONLY USED LIMIT BREAKS, WHICH IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE. NOW EAT SHIT AND FUCK OFF.>>741781343Yeah, they're great. Just gotta force em out of the ground first. Also, the fins turn into Water, so that's always nice.
>>741781248how do you feel about the Squall is Dead theory? i like it but at the same time it undermines a lot of the heavy setups and foreshadowing that 8 does
>>741781484It's bullshit. A dev was asked about it. He said no. Squall isn't died, and Edea never killed him. His wound was grave, but she healed him before he was sent to the prison. Either because they needed him alive for info or because Edea remembered him, but we'll never know which one.
>>741781439How else would you beat the game. Squall and Zell and Irvine deal the most damage. Quistis and Selphie have an instant kill limit break. There's even that disc trick with Selphie that guarantees a win.
>>741781612OH MY GOD JUST FUCKING KYS HOLY SHIT.YOU DON'T GET TO ARGUE WITH MATH. Fuck it. You're clearly just rage baiting me at this point. Guys, is there a report function on this site? I'm still unfamiliar with everything here.
>>741781573yeah i think it's a fun theory but overall it actually hurts the narrative, the only real thing that gives it credence is the fact that after his wound the world does seem to get more fantastical with many things suddenly appearing that you've only heard of before, but to me the game gets more fantastical as it goes on to hammer home just how terrifying losing your memory is by the time you get to the Orphanage - a comparatively "mundane" thing to see juxtaposed with all the fantasticalness and is meant to be a very sobering wake-up call scene
>>741781573meant to add that i agree it's bullshit if not a fun what-if
>>741781885Most of that "fanastical" shit can be chalked up to a mix of Esthar Tech and Time Compression getting closer and closer to activating. Reminder: Ultimecia trapped herself in an eternal hell of her own making.
>>741781832You know you can run away from battles right?
>>741782040SHUT THE FUCK UP RETARD.
>>741782118Watch this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx3l0kENONY
>>741782190Kill yourself, retard. YOU watch it, fucker. I already have. HE DOESN'T EXCLUSIVELY USE LIMITS, NOW FUCK OFF.
>>741782018FF7-9 really are the high points of JRPG writing and gameplay to me, there really was something different about that era games weren't afraid to try and tell complex, outlandish narratives while still being games
>>74178219099% chance the video itself contradicts you because you didnt watch it either
>>741782275I have. He can't do anything else.
>>741782380It does. He uses items and shit in the video.
>>741782358X was the pinnacle, it had all the strengths and none of the weaknesses of the ps1 trilogy's writing
>>741782358That's because they still had their tard wrangler at Square. Once he left, everything fell to pieces.
>>741782380It deals with being lucky but yes the video has no junctions.
>>741764057aint no way youre really defending the hadoken unlock requirements
>>741782441He doesn't use items in battle, the challenge is no junction.
>>741761312The Tonberries give a good chunk of AP though right? At this point in the game after Spaceship/Garden you're probably more concerned about unlocking GF abilities than gaining raw levels. Unless you still don't understand how to develop your characters you could stumble across the king.I'm pretty sure an in-game magazine mentions it cryptically too.
>>741782528SHUT THE FUCK UP. THIS ISN'T THE JUNCTIONS AT THIS POINT. YOU LIED AND SAID YOU EXCLUSIVELY. ONLY. PURELY. NEVER USED ANYTHING OTHER THAN LIMITS. THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE. FUCK YOU.
>>741781832>Guys, is there a report function on this site? I'm still unfamiliar with everything here.Fucking summerfaggots.
>>741782710call me what you want. I figured it out already.
>>741782631Yes the guy uses no junctions. It's possible. Rinoa even has a invincible limit break.
>>741782837Slit your throat, subhuman.
>>741765684>>>creepy shadow monster in the lakeIt is kind of underwhelming that such an obscure and elaborate side-quest has a pretty mediocre reward at the end of it though. Something that obtuse should net you a god-tier item.
>>741782884Cringe
>>741782904I mean, you get some nice stuff for it. A few scrolls, some rare items, etc.
>>741782471X is really good, but to me there's a certain sense of wonder and discovery that is lost with no world map free-roamyeah there's the coordinates stuff but it's just not as fun to try and pick apart imo
Not that anon but I did a non junction run, took longer than usual, thinking that I didn't need to grind but I managed to complete it.
>>741783023Very rarely did the world maps do anything except waste my time and overlevel me looking for stuff that wasnt there. I appreciated having beautiful backgrounds on every screen like the dungeons. In fact, the whole world of X was like a continuous dungeon which was awesome.
>>741783140It's a hell of a challenge.
>>741769248To be fair, people don’t find this stuff out because the games all do a really bad job at conveying what status effects are useful and what aren’t. Plus, it’s always just more convenient to just brute force everything with regular attacks and spells. That’s one area where I feel that WRPGs typically mog JRPGs: status effect builds tend to be way more viable in the former.
>>741783023I think the linear path from Besaid to Zanarkand works for the game being Yuna's pilgrimage and Yuna being the MC and Tidus just being player's point of view character. Only after Zanarkand and Yuna forfeitting the fate that was cast on her you are allowed to roam the world freely to get ready for the final confrontation against Sin and Yevon.
>>741783261I cant remember even seeing status vulnerabilities on Scan/Libra, its always a trial and error with every enemy, combine that with status effects' already low accuracy and you get a waste of fucking time when you could have killed the thing with physical attacks or a summon before you happen to find the status that works
>>741783207a perfectly valid opinion really, i like Sonic Adventure 2 more than 1 for a similar reasonfor RPGs though, maybe it's just engrained in me from playing older games that tended to have a world map but i simply love the feeling of leaving civilization to go explore entirely unknown territory in every direction, small of a moment as it was i'll never forget leaving Deiling City to go on the labyrinth rescue mission and just being uncomfortable trying to find my way to and through it, the suspense that comes with having to make it to, through, and back from a dungeon is important to me
>island closest to hell and island closest to heaven (east and west sides of the map) have invisible draw points
>>741767994No. Is the alien card quest
>>741783673in this VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCE i think such a thing is fine bc of course you'd be trying to inspect every part of a very small obscure island like that
>>741783023Definitely. The sense of adventure was lost in FFX. It's not like games such as Secret of Mana weren't able to keep an overworld while also keeping everything as actual connected levels (Secret of Mana still feels like you have way more freedom to explore, as well). FFX is the turning point when the series traded its soul in for unfun garbage it is today. I feel you really have to enjoy shitty contrived melodrama aimed at women in actually enjoy FFX on any level.
I wonder if it’s even possible for a modern game to have cryptic, hard to discover secrets in the age of the internet. Any time a new game comes out these days, you have people 100%ing it and posting videos detailing every single secret within HOURS of the game releasing. You have to actively do a media blackout on that particular game in order to preserve any sense of discovery.
>>741784413Bloodborne did it with the one door. I don't remember the details though.
>>741784413There is these secrets in the nuHitman games that were figured out, but I honestly think it was just the devs spilling the beans on forums and stuff because of how impossible it was to discover it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLyBbIxT4Vo
>>741767994That's not Obel Lake.Nothing is more cryptic than that. Literal strategy guide bait.
>>741761312Why did pugs get renamed tonberries?what the fuck does either even mean
>>741784652Hitman is a rare exception, but even then, a lot of the secrets have challenges tied to them, revealing that a secret exists even if it doesn’t reveal exactly how you’re supposed to discover them. The knowledge that exists compels autists to try different things to eventually find it. I do remember that Whittleton Creek had the secret basement door that had a series of obscure steps to unlock it and the devs didn’t tell anyone what the steps where and just said that opening the door was possible.
>>741784860I think the hardest part about Obel Lake is figuring out that you can interact with the lake to begin with. Once you do that, then the rest of the quest comes down to just following the shadow’s instructions.
>>741784912They weren't renamed. The localizers just had no fucking clue how to translate "Tonberry".As for the origin of the name....nobody really knows.
>>741784413I feel like FF9's Excalibur II could be kept a real secret if the guides didn't exist.
>>741784413Bloodborne had a Chalice Dungeon boss that only got found three years later.
>>741766309Sorry! Only you and your friends talked about minimog! If this ruffles your jimmies then no one fucking cares! You're the only retard on the planet who didn't have either a subscription to a magazine or turn a couple pages at the store, internet, or friends who weren't equally retarded as you! Before you go back to yapping like a dumb faggot, yes we know you and your retarded friends talked about minimog, and no, no one cares they just want to remind you that you're a poor dumb faggot as a kid.
>>741785653Quit being a retard.
>>741761312>20 killsthat’s cute
>>741767125kinda wild how far people will go to try and "win" arguments between anonymous participants
this thread is just funny as fuck cause there is just some 3rd worlder who didn't have the guide as a kid sperging out over beating his dick to minimog
>>741762253The AP ammo is the main giveaway here. As soon as you check a new item for all of the Refine options and see one this good, you are likely to spend a while here.
>>741786709Respond again if you're a retarded minor.
>>741786643If there's one thing I CANNOT STAND, it's people lying about shit that is easily debunked by a 5 second google search or by basic fucking math.
>>741766309Way to out yourself as failed normalfag that now shit's up this place.When I was a kid, video games were everything to me, my few fellow nerd friends would barely talk about anything else, we would make our parents buy magazines and we also had the internet early, hell I even called the Nintendo hotline a few times.FUCK OFF RETARD
>>741771335Holy shit - this. FFExtreme, Squaregamer...
>>741786793your mother didn't love you and that's why you didn't have the guide
i estimate i have put over 500 hours into ff8 in my life and i've never finished it. i just go for all the side content with a guide. get all cards, all gf's, insanely powerful characters. but i've never even put disc 4 in
As for me, I had the PC version and the corresponding guide. The guide itself may have even been specifically for the PC version, but I don't remember.Also, on my old computer from 1999 or whenever it was, the PC version ran at maybe 70% of the game's speed on PSX. The music was fine and played at normal speed, and I think the FMVs were OK, but everything else was slow. Combat, the way the characters moved around and interacted with each other, and so on. All slow. I didn't even realize how slow it was until I played the PSX version at a friend's house.
>>741787265The PC version is a shitty port. Console is the definitive way to experience every FF.
>>741762197It started with The Tower of Druaga, which didn't get strategy guides until the home ports. You were supposed to talk to the other people at the arcade and share information.
>>741763545I still regret not going to the island in Golden Sun tha though had to had somehow the right combination of people on the boat to accidentally sail to
>>741786934kill yourself, poser.
>>741778224I have literally beaten a No-Junction playthrough of VIII (and not running from every fight, either). I will note that I consider "beating" it as getting up to the final save point before Ultimecia with all of her castle bosses dead because beating Ultimecia like that is just rolling the dice with awful RNG as you need to The End her several times while Invincible Moon is active - which sounds "fine" except the first thing she does is AOE curse to lock limits and she randomly selects your first party so yeah have fun doing that 100s of times before the game lets you win.Everything up to that point was tough but doable. The hardest part of the game is the part split halfway through as you need Zell to beat the tank at the missile base but that means that you don't get him for the rematch with in in FH. Once you are past that part of the game everything is straightforward again.
>>741787481Thanks, I'll pass that information on to my 14-year-old self from 27 years ago. Great post.
>>741788139Heroes and Holy Wars are probably needed to get you past Ultimecia like that. Especially since you need to tank Shockwave Pulsar.
>>741788139Learn to read, you waste of flesh.
>>741786162In related news, if anyone is on Ragnarok right now, please buy my Kraken Club on the AH, it is there for the going rate and I have REMAs to finish, kthx.
>>741779304How do no junction runs work in this mfer? Can you use items to get by?
>>741788443You need Junctions to use items in combat. Parts of the game come down to luck in a no junctions run.
>>741788443>>741788332Cant use items without junctions
>>741788332Sadly you can't get Holy Wars without Junctioning. Invincible Moon is just fine (and is the only limit Rinoa will know besides Cannon anyway for this playthrough) but the problem lies in Ultimecia picking your opening party at random. You need Rinoa and Selphie to NOT be in the opening PT because they will get cursed and you can't remove it, and you need to cycle both of them in quickly before another AOE curse goes off. Its just rolling the dice, it isn't fun and the rest of the playthrough demanded nothing even close to this style of play.
>no rewardsHuh? Pretty sure there was AP at least.Anyway I went in knowing about the secret boss GF so I just went and grinded it out. Not a big deal, OP.
>>741788606Oh right, I forgot that. How do you survive Shockwave Pulsar without items, spirit or high HP then? Does The End skip it?
>>741788730The End literally "ends" whatever the current fight phase is and you have Invincible Moon keeping you alive in the meantime. The only part of the fight The End won't stop is the last part where she talks to you, but she actually has no HP at this point and you just need to hit her with anything 4 or 5 times to advance the dialog. Again...getting all of this set up though is the real problem.
>>741788846I’m surprised The End skips it because Shockwave Pulsar seems to be a move she automatically uses at the end of the second phase even if Griever has 0 HP left.
>>741788730You don't. The End skips a phase.
>>741789126...it doesn't skip it. The End sets the enemies current HP to 0. Transitions still happen. The only reason you have to The End Ultimecia at all is because she has like 8 separate phases of the battle (with Pulsar happening 75% of the way through them). You can't just start spamming The End because Pulsar will kill you. You need to Invincible Moon first, then The End spam. And for anyone keeping score this long, yes you actually can guarantee The Ends (or practically guarantee them which is good enough - there are several methods).
>>741779979So, just an observation here, but try to work on expressing yourself in a way that doesn't make you feel the need to capitalize entire sentences.
>>741789321You can't do this without a guide
>>741789321One thing I really respect FF8 for is having a final boss that’s genuinely hard even if you learn the game’s mechanics, and near impossible if you don’t. It’s a step up from FF6 and 7, which both had final bosses who were absolute pushovers.Like another anon said, it really does feel like a good chunk of hate towards FF8 comes from casuals being filtered.
>>741771064Really, in most rpgs where speed matters, it's godly. Being able to act more often than the boss is insanely good.
>>741789670Who the fuck is talking about a guide? I'm refuting malding-anons claims that you can't beat the game without junctioning (you can).
>>741789792It's literally this thread's reason for existing. Have you forgotten?
>>741787542For me personally it was Phantasy Star, what a fking journey beating that game
>>741789749Agility/DEX builds in turn based RPGs are always excellent, whether they’re ATB or not. Even in games like FFX and Expedition 33, Agility is near game-breakingly good if you invest alot of points into it.
>>741789643Slit your throat you sack of shit.
>>741761896>not buying a subscription to read throughout the day
>>741789792YOU said that you can do it while EXCLUSIVELY spamming limits. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LYING RETARD NO YOU FUCKING CANNOT.
>>741789694Yeah, most RPGs don't stick the landing well on final bosses, and 8 does a good job. They purposely set up the battle to take place over a lot of smaller phases so you can't just one hit everything.
>>741777029Funny enough, a low level run in FF8 is easy mode as long as you make some effort to keep your junctions up to date.
>>741789694>>741790273>Final boss uses drawing and junctioning against you>selects your starting party at random, so you have to be prepared to use all your characters at some point rather than just perma-benching some>stops you from using certain abilities against her until you beat a number of optional bosses in her castle beforehandAbsolute kino. It’s everything a final dungeon in a JRPG should be.
>>741785218I just searched this in JapaneseNomura designed TonberryThe name was something he came up with just to be different and not be connected to any existing monster in fiction or otherwise. It is half-fish, half other species. He designed it to appear cute but have a deadly side.He wanted it to hold a knife and lantern to signify that it was like a horror movie monster coming to kill you, and wanted to include a rope in its clothing to further illlustrate the idea of being executed (I am guessing kind of grim reaper image in the cloak?)He wanted Tonberry to be a kind of check to players where if they just mashed attack they would get punished and needed to use strategy.The fact that Nomura not only designed enemies they liked, but came up with an entire thought-out concept and themes as well as gameplay factors as well as original naming conventions impressed other team members and helped lead to him being a writer and director
>>741774841Bullshit. Had the guide to Zelda on NES. You're just a zoomer.
>>741774841Many games came with guides, especially in the West. Japan had huge communities both online and in person with circles, events, game store meets and game centersThe Japanese culture explains why they felt so confident in hiding shit so discretely because people would share info proactively
>>741790827As much as people like to shit on Nomura as a writer for writing convoluted plots, he understands visual storytelling and conveying tone through vibes better than most modern writers. FF7 and 8 wouldn’t be half the games they were without their aesthetics and vibe.
>>741791241At least Nomura is better than that hack Tabata, who got fired after XV (rightfully) flopped.
>>741761835>Cheevo culture has destroyed any sense of mystery and wonder of discovery in vidya.Nintendo did this decades ago with the hotline.They created a system where they could make things stupid and obtuse, then give you the answer for an additional fee.
>>741791554At least Nomura is a creator. Tabata never actually made anything, he just steered projects off various cliffs
>>741791241Yep, the man makes kino. Just you bringing this up made me think of the dark cloaks XIII wear in Kingdom Hearts and how it plays into their existence and juxtaposes the bright, carefree shit Sora and co. wear and how Riku is kind of like a subdued mix, and their colors get darker as more shit happens in the series. Axl's wild visual also illustrates how he isn't quite one of them and crosses over to the good guy's side. Somebody posted a pic of all the monsters in FFVIII earlier and that era was so memorable but recent JRPG's have monsters where you are like wtf is this jabroni, although there are still some good ones that stand out they often rely on the classics like Behemoth, Tonberry, etc. when needed. As for the crazy storylines and plots, Sakaguchi told Nomura to make storylines that people can't fully grasp the first time through, and he basically turned the volume up to 11 on that and let's be honest, we still talk about their shit while so many other games come and go. To put it into zoomer speak, let these men cook
>>741776917This is just RNG manipulation though, not dev-intended.
>>741792087Dude also designed the in-game looks for the FFVI cast, though for some reason the sprite artist always get credit for that
Why are secrets so taboo? The only people it negatively affects is maybe the developers considering they actually spent resources including the content. It's all upside for the players, eventually people will figure it out and they'll have a reason to replay the game and enjoy the surprise.
>>741765151don't you get doomtrain from just walking up and "talking" to a train tunnel in the overworld? i did that just to see if I could enter the tunnel.
>>741793286Zoomers absolutely hate the idea of playing a game more than once, or actually being interested in it instead of having twitch, discord and jewtube on two other screens and their phone at the same timeGames to them are like homework to be checked off (for some reason) so they can do more interesting things like cry about their hairlines
gamefaqs has existed since 1995 and basically everything from every strategy guide was posted there almost instantly.
>>741793314No, you need 6 Remedy+ (need Alexander), 6 Steel Pipes, and 6 Malboro Tentacles and the Solomon Ring from Tears Point.>>741765151It was covered in dropped Occult Fan magazines. It wasn't hard to figure out.
>>741763723>a segwaybone apple tea
>>741774663>>741774273anon the internet existed. so you're just admitting you're a third worlder. the ff7 "strategy guide" would be the last one I bought and I only bought it because I needed me some more ff7
>>741793723wahlah
>>741793549Gamefaqs had a rumor about a secret keyblade that could only be gotten if you did the most ridiculous steps as well. What's your point?>>741793556Some of these Magazines were REALLY well hidden, never mind the Solomon Ring. You couldn't even SEE the fucking thing. On top of that, they were basically riddles. A farmer finds a dead wendigo while building a fence, an increase in attacks on people with "full recovery medicine" and a report on an increase in the marlboro population. They were cryptic as fuck. That's why it took so long for the requirements to summon Doomtrain to become common knowledge.>>741793753Fucking kill yourself. NOT EVERYONE HAD PARENTS TO DRIVE THEM AROUND EVERYWHERE AND NOT EVERYONE HAD GUIDES NOW FUCKING SLIT YOUR WRISTS.
>>741793938>i didn't have internet because I'm a third worlderwe know anon.
>>741794084Drink bleach you dirty subhuman.
>>741793938>gamefaqs also had bullshit clearly labeled as bullshitwow.
>>741794084This, holy shit. I remember reading the entire FFVIII disc 1 script a month before release because someone was dumping + doing a rough translation of it as they were going. The internet was much more prolific (in certain areas) than people tend to expect. Where I live, household internet was commonplace circa 1995.
>>741794171So you ADMIT that you brought up bullshit to try and derail the thread. Good to know. Shut the fuck up.
>>741794167nah i think i'll continue mocking you for being brown.
>>741794264you're the one who brought up the rumors (bullshit) section of gamefaqs anon.
>>741793938The Solomon ring is where you stop moving in Tears Point. Not seeing if the one place you can go is interactable is smooth brain territory.As far as the clues>farmer building a fence out of steel pipes>"wait, that's an item">you need 666 of each item>"i can't hold 666 of anything. it must mean 6 of each!">st full recovery medicine requires you playing around with the mechanics. since remedy doesn't do that, there must be a way to level up medicine, maybe via GF ability called Med Lv Up>malboro attacks>"what do malboros drop, since items seem to be the theme here?">you need 666 of each item>"i can't hold 666 of anything. it must mean 6 of each!"It's not Bioshock Infinite bell puzzle easy, but it's not hard.
>>741794389Don't talk with your mouth full, retard.
>>741793938>Some of these Magazines were REALLY well hiddenthe prima strategy guide would be at the register the day the game released anon
>>741794438*meant to cut the first "666 of each item" thing and paste. Guess I copied. :(>>741794484What's bad is 2 are from NPCs you should be talking to regularly, and 2 are buyable at a store.
>>741794438IT IS FUCKING TINY AND ALMOST ENTIRELY OUT OF SIGHT. SHUT THE FUCK UP.>>741794484SLIT YOUR THROAT, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.>>7417945682 of them required to to sit there and mash x on a seemingly pointless pile of old magazines in a building you may just NEVER think to explore and a random room in Esthar.
>>741794665anon exploration isn't something you "think" to do. its either automatic or you're brown.
>>741794665>IT IS FUCKING TINY AND ALMOST ENTIRELY >OUT OF SIGHT. SHUT THE FUCK UP.You literally can go forward and that's it. When you stop, there has to be a "why did I stop here? what's the point of this place?" moment where you interact.>2 of them required to to sit there and mash x on a seemingly pointless pile of old magazines in a building you may just NEVER think to explore and a random room in Esthar.You can buy those two from the shop in Esthar in that big shopping pavillion.
>>741761312>Doesn't fight stabniggers for funObviously meant as a bonus for longtime hardcore fans
>>741794732fuck off you racist fucking retard. How fucking often do you even THINK about that room? Kys.>>741794832You too, shitstain.
>>741794908brown isn't a race
Tonberry if he Unreal Engine.
>>741795046You've gone back to sucking dicks, I see.
>>741795051What happened to Tifa’s socks and boots?
>>741793286There’s a chance that people won’t discover unless the game is super popular and has a fanbase dedicated to finding things. Even then, some things are only discovered because a dev mentions it in an interview or Twitter post.
>>741793286YouTube videos that talk about secrets and the like in games have rotted people's brains into thinking they MUST experience EVERY single thing in a game on their first playthroughSecrets you might discover on a subsequent playthrough? Nonono, we need every piece of CONTENT right NOW so we can then move onto the next thing
>>741795204I ate them.
>>741795051heh
>>741795046Yet so many races can be fully defined by the word “brown”
You were suppoosed to buy the strategy guide.
>>741761312Remember when secrets were actually hidden?
>>741795341whites can be brown. its called tanning. another characteristic (like souls) unique to whites. thus, while all subhumans are brown, not all browns are subhuman.
>>741795495That's not what was meant and you know it.
>>741795637>argument>counter-argument>th-that wasn't wh-what i was t-talking a-about
>>741793938>That's why it took so long for the requirements to summon Doomtrain to become common knowledge.Guide to get Doomtrain was posted online way before FF8's US nor Euro release
>>741793286"Hidden" is literal horror to kids, these days.
>>741762302im a lightning starter dodger felt good getting all that done in ffx and using the spaceship
>>741795914kys retard>>741795797Again, get those dicks out of your mouth.
>>741796238you seem to get the last word with this tactic alot. so much so you confuse it for victory, rather than "this person is too retarded to talk to."
>>741796410There's no victory when arguing with you fucks. Only headaches,
>>741793156KINOOOOOOOOOO!
>>741796497>there's no victory when arguing with factsis why you get the headaches
>>741765151
>>741796629Then quit doing it. Eat shit.
>>741765936>mf when a runaway train is run on my gf (I feel attacked)
>>741796837
>>741789643FUCK YOU, YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD!
Damn I can't believe I didn't actually have a PC pre-2010 and printed off all of those guides and posts because I had to be a trillionaire in a gated neighborhood and instead communicated through rock banging and grunts about the ever elusive truck Mew, my entire life has been a lie
>>741763545>>741787898If this is about Crossbone Isle, you don't need to do the mismatched rowers thing to reach it. That's just so you can reach it earlier (when you aren't even able to finish it because you can't have all the necessary psynergy). You can jump in the red cyclone in the desert later to reach the island repeatedly, and you are forced to pass by it so that it's visible on your screen at one point.The only way to lock yourself out of it is by killing the monster in the cyclone without reaching the island, which requires you to cast Douse while inside it to trigger the battle. In fairness though, there's a good chance someone will do that because you do the same thing to every other cyclone in the desert before that.
>>741771335ffmaniacs and ffavalanche were pretty popular in spanish speaking countries.
>>741761312Ye
Has anyone played with the Ragnarok overhaul mod? Thinking of trying it out.
Who the fuck here plays an RPG without a guide in the end? I mean when you finish the game not during your playthrough to check out what you missed
>>741765086A lot of times, yeah. FF 7 and 8 were especially bad offenders.
>>741806394I beat both well before I ever saw a guide. Finding everything is a challenge, but going from beginning to end is pretty easy.
the kind of secret that anyone paying close attention to things while playing the game can be expected to find is fun because it feels like a reward for being diligent. the kind of secret that you would only find by pure chance or reading a guide sucks because it feels like you got cheated. if you don't understand the difference you are the kind of person who buys scratch offs and impulse rolls in gacha games.
>>741765151What? No it wasn't, I got it on ps1
>>741792789That literally doesnt change anything. Someone still found it.
>>741761312I played FF8 a dozen times since it came out but only found this GF for the first time in my 2026 playthrough
Bump.
Bump
VIII would be a better game if magic and GFs were permanently equipped and couldn't be traded or ever removed.This would add real choice and consequences and remove all the menuing whenever your party changes Change my mind
>>741761721Can't argue with that.
>>741767335Well said.
>>741761312Those obtuse secrets were in the game to entice people to buy guides.
>>741807290It was STILL a secret, and NOT a well known one. Eat shit.
>>741815475I mean, it's possible...
>>741762321Heh.
>>741798031>The only way to lock yourself out of it is by killing the monster in the cyclone without reaching the island, which requires you to cast Douse while inside it to trigger the battle. In fairness though, there's a good chance someone will do that because you do the same thing to every other cyclone in the desert before that.Doesn't it respawn? I remember grinding on that monster
>>741761312didn't they give a ton of ap so that's why you fight them
>>741761487>wcw mayhemholy shit mani played dozens of hours of that
>>741817483I don't know.
Well, the bump limit has been reached.
