Another Nintendo banger
It's the same game for 50 dollars?
>>741777179And this was one of those franchises they refused to make more of citing a lack of new ideas before
>dated genreOpinion discarded.
>>741777179>westslop remake>all the voices sound like the breaking bad anime dub memeI regret buying a Switch 2.
LFG!!!!
>Same score as 64 3DSounds about right considering it's basically the same game
Star Fox always sucked, doesn't matter how many times you remake the game
>AIfuck there is a nonzero chance that this person thinks SHMUP enemies go into those patterns because their AI tells them to. i feel like this person is equating a random scripted zoness manta ray with a perfect dark guard. that terrifies me.
>>741777179>jew video dot comlol
>>741777179another shovelware from nintendo, who would've thought it
>>741777534maybe he's just referring to the star wolf sections or multiplayer AI
>>741777254It IS a dated genre, and we're going to see a LOT of pushback from first-time players over the fact that its a 2hr game being sold for $50 in the big '26.I, as someone who grew up with SF64, am unbothered by that. But that doesn't change the facts.
>>741778937>It IS a dated genreWhy?
>>741777179>up against modern competitionWhere is it
>>741779709Because modern gamers are faggots.
So it’s confirmed that there’s zero additional content that isn’t available in Star Fox 64?
>>741777179AI in a shoot em up? Huh?
>>741777179>modern competitionsuch as
>overly faithful to the source materiallol>>741778937"2 hours long" is not a genre
Sin and punishment mogs
>>741779906Not a single review mentions it.
>>741777179Instead of doing cutscenes and voice acting they should have just doubled the amount of levels. The game would still be pitifully short but it would give us something to work with. Literally no reason to buy this
>>741779709Because it doesn't hold up to modern expectations.You CAN release a 2hr game in this day and age, but people are going to expect more than a couple different routes and medals for each stage. Even a run-of-the-mill action roguelite has more to it than this game in terms of replayability, to say nothing of heavy hitters like Hades. And those games are cheaper.They could have made a roguelite SF. They could have modeled it after Ace Combat. There's a lot they could have done. But a straight rail shooter is a tough sell at that price in this age.>>741779998Its a rail shooter, and rail shooters are characteristically short. One big reason for all these new cutscenes is to pad out the runtime.
>>741777179>this remake is TOO faithfulthe world shall not know true peace until video game reviewers are launched into the sun
>>741777179>>741777254it's literally the most expensive rail shooter ever made
>>741780085So can we sue Nintendo for false advertising since they claim there’s additional content?
>>741780237>Because it doesn't hold up to modern expectations.That expecation being length exclusively?
>>741780237>rogueshiteLmao. I thought you were trying to make it better not worse.
>>741777179Ace Combat and Project Wingman exist, why the fuck should I play this overpriced movieslop?
>>741780390The multiplayer and cutscenes count as additional content so no
>>741780405Are we gonna pretend the gameplay is deep and engaging?
>>741777179this slop will be forgotten faster than the latest metroid game
>>741780405The expectation that I'm getting my money's worth.A similar recent example would be something like The Adventures of Elliot. Sure, an HD2D Zelda-like sounds like a good time. But for $60? And for a 7/10 Zelda-like at that? Nah man.
>>741780580Are we gonna pretend being easy is a violation of "modern expectations?">>741780705That's fine but not related to genre. Does the game suddenly change if you get it for free?
>>741780832>That's fine but not related to genre.Yes it is, because expectations across all genres have evolved from what they were 30 years ago. Games across the board have more going on than they did in the 90s, people rightly expect more from a $50 product than a dozen or so stages each lasting 3-5 minutes. E33 was $50, ffs.>Does the game suddenly change if you get it for free?Pricing your product accordingly is very important, yes. See Wild Blue Skies and ExZodiac for relative examples.
>>741777179On one hand:>A straight remake of a game that's already good getting a bad review for once is niceOn the other hand:>It's negative because it's calling rail shooters archaic and outdated while calling a game designed for several replays too shortI worry OoT Remake will get praise across the board and the lesson learned is that Star Fox should die again and/or rail shooters aren't worthwhile.
>>741780257Faithful remakes are pointless, Star Fox 64 already exists and is perfect on PC with Starship. They could have tried to make it a new experience but instead it's literally just a 30 year old game that can be played on anything with a new coat of paint.
>>741781306>Pricing your product accordingly is very important, yes.That's not the question I asked.Price isn't genre.
>>741777179lol and people raged over 8.8, these frogs are going to get firebombed.
>>741781306Let's say my friend gifts me Wild Blue Skies or ExZodiac on Steam. In what way does the gameplay change from if I'd purchased it on my own?
>>741781570I don't fucking care about your question you stupid nigger, I ain't paying $50 for a fucking 2hr rail shooter I've been playing since 1997. The genre is outdated because I expect more from games in general, so if you're going to sell me a game from 30 years ago don't expect me to shell out as much as I did for last year's GotY.
>>741781927Is the distinction between price and genre really worth throwing this tantrum over?
>>741781927All you had to do was say >>741779816.
>>741782073Yes, because I want a new game and you're being a nigger playing devil's advocate for an overpriced remake of a remake of a remake.>>741782076Fuck you make a new game or die.
>>741782076I don't think he understands the conversation.
>>741777179>Buy a rail shooter>WTF Why is this a rail shooter?! Nintendo you're meant to completely change the entire game and add plot jannies to a remake!!!Rape this nigger
>>741782178>playing devil's advocate for an overpriced remake of a remake of a remakeI'm not even buying this game and I agree it's overpriced. Calm down and grow up, seriously.
>>741777179>current trend of remakes that successfuly reinvent Huh?
>>741782276>noooo you need to be calm and rational at all times like an adult oooooFUCK YOU
>>741781927>Price to hours bullshitStar Fox 64 would be a GOTY in any year it came out, the only thing against this new one is that it's a remake. If the original never existed and this was a new game, it'd be worth the price and then some. Calling it a 2hr game shows a misunderstanding of what Star Fox 64 is.
>>741782342the author is probably a nuREfag
>>741782439>a misunderstanding of what Star Fox 64 is.Its a good game that I played when I was a kid and I play from time to time when I've got nothing else to play.Its great, but only just.
>>741777179
>>741782276You're a dumb Tendie nigger. You're the blackest retarded gorilla tranny Tendie nigger I've ever seen.
>>741777179yeah it's literally just the same game but with cutscenes. aka they diluted it with shit that makes it worsethe original game is fine but it's sad that they can't do anything except release it over and over and over
>>741777179This faggot is crying that a remake is actually faithful to the original and not an abortion like the FF7 remakes
>>741782540Hm, maybe I WILL buy Starfox...
I want the game to have a higher difficulty mode than Expert to filter out even more rail shooter-averse pansies.
>>741782662There's no reason for it to be faithful to the original when the 3DS version exists.They could, and should, have gone nuts with it like Nomura did with 7R. Same with the OoT remake. If you want the original experience, play the original (its even on PC now). If you want the original with nicer grafics, play the 3DS version or mod the PC port.
>>741780405The expectation is it not just being a little arcade pew pew game with barely any mechanics that you finish in the refundable steam window. The expectation is those games are called indie games and cost 5-10 dollars. Like this one, it's actually way better than Star Foxhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2719060/Mirage_Feathers/
>>741782979>oh cool a rail shooter I haven't heard abou->loli moeblobsYou can keep that one to yourself.
>>741782979And to return to the subject of the debate, in what way does the gameplay of Star Fox or those indie games change when I get them for free?
>>741779709It's made dated by the small amount of content. You can not make a pure rail shooter game with like just 3 routes to go through and charge people 60 going on 70 bucks for it, especially if it's literally the same game back from the n64 remade for like the third time. This is why people keep saying to stop going back to Starfox 64 everytime people wish for a new star fox game. There's nothing wrong with rail shooters, but you but can't make a game that literally just that and expect people to be paying the same price they would for like any other game that easily gives them more play time for game that has the same price price tag of around 70 bucks.
>>741783270So if it's free then it's not dated?
>>741783352If something is free, its free.The second you put a price on something, you're setting expectations for your product. Fail to meet them and you shan't be getting the customer's money. Its that simple.
>>741783451Okay, so then if I get it for free, it's not dated.
>>741782830I mean that already exists that's what Zero was.
>tendies bracing to defend a 45-minute $60 game
>>741783502Exactly.
>>741781478>It's negative because it's calling rail shooters archaic and outdated while calling a game designed for several replays too shortRead the OP again.>rail shooter archaicThey don't make that claim, see below.>Up against modern competition ... that successfully reinvent old formulasNot that Sin and Punishment Star Successor is modern, but that did exactly what the OP describes and is infinitely better than Star Fox 64.>several replays too shortIt was too short in 1997 and it's too short in 2026 Even with multiple playthroughs, it's still shorter than an average COD campaign..
>>741782830>they shoulda made a garbage game like 7Rnah mang
>>741783528Who here is saying the game isn't overpriced?
>>741783596Its either that or a new game entirely if you want me to give a fuck about Star Fox again.
>>741783693Why would a bad game make you care about Star Fox again?
>Same game with modern visuals >Game is babby mode easy >Nothing new was added >Short game>$50 Kek
>>741783638Anon is still struggling to understand the conversation.
>>741783352If it were like 40 bucks it would be fine, but you are being a nigger on purpose and missing the point intentionally. If you want Starfox to be brought back into relevancy then you should be demanding Nintendo put more effort into developing Starfox beyond just giving us remakes of the same damn game. This is not me saying get rid of rail shooting segments, this me saying give us that an more if your gonna boast about making a new starfox game.
>>741777243shiggy said the same thing when people asked him about a sequel to f-zero gx, basically stating "we can't make a better game" and that it was tough to evolve the franchise.
>>741783847>If it were like 40 bucks it would be fineExactly. Price isn't genre.
>>741777179The irony is that the starfox remake is EXACTLY what FFVII fans wanted for it instead of the clutterfuck of retcons they got.
>>741777448Without the Nintendo bonus it's a 71, so pretty bad for a Nintendo game. It's basically a 6/10 to a 7/10.
>>741783739Because its at least something different. People act like playing bad games is going to fucking kill them. DMC2 fucking sucks and I still had fun with it and can appreciate its good points, like how it laid the framework for style-switching in 3.
>>741783575Not that anon, but backing yourself into a retarded corner to double down on it means you still lost the argument. However, on the other hand, I respect your willingness to not lie and squirm away with equivocation.
>>741783270>This is why people keep saying to stop going back to Starfox 64 everytime people wish for a new star fox gamedo you mean as a remaster/remake specifically or the gameplay?because if they made a brand new game with all new levels, but plays exactly like 64, I would play the shit out of it
>>741784037>People act like playing bad games is going to fucking kill themWho here did that?
So the core problem is that is too short for a 50 dollars game, I guess that even if the OoT remake is a 1:1 remake with just update graphics (which is exactly what FFVII fans wanted for it) critics will love it because is much longer, so it "justifies" its price.
>>741784058Its not a retarded corner, though.Something being free means you're free from expectations, which means you can make whatever the fuck you want. Something being 'dated' only matters if you're asking money for it.
>NINTENDO BONUSIt's called polish.
>>741783941Since every western outlet has a Nintendo penalty it's actually a 95.
>>741784167Came to post this more or less.Suddenly the idea of a remake needing to "re-invent" itself will go out the window and it'll be the best remake since... whichever REmake these people think is the best.
>>741777254tpbp
they should just copy the gameplay of rogue squadron WITHOUT any gimmicks or bullshit
>>741781532>Faithful remakes are pointless, Star Fox 64 already exists and is perfect on PC with Starship.Interpolated 60FPS vs native 60FPS
>>741777179>--
>>741782662Most people like the 7 remakes, sadly. Bloating your game to hell is seen as a good thing.
>>741784073Gameplay, because even when people glaze Starfox 64, they still won't accept all of it, and you find out real quick they only liked the rail shooter parts, not all range, not the landmaster, not the blue marine. I want to say they just need to make a new game with 64's playstyle like you said, but that's literally not what those "fans" want. If you left it up to them they'd want the game to be literally just the on rails parts, and that would set us back even further back to snes Starfox
>>741777179>Star Fox is just a poor man Ace Combat gameI'm so fucking glad we are getting a new Ace Combat game around the corner
>>741785609Rebirth flopping shows that they didn't
Do we all accept that it will sell maybe 1.5 million at best no matter how much they advertise? Will it prove Star Fox just doesn't appeal to the public for some reason? I also still think about how Metroid Dread surprised us with 3 million. Is traditional Metroid intrinsically more appealing to the average Switch owner? I'm just throwing this out, but is it because of the side-scrolling format?
>>741777179You had to fish for one fringe review from france that says first thing that rail shooters are too dated as to even bother with a remake didnt you.Anyway, most other places are saying its quite cool actually.
>>741785725Ace Combat is nothing like Star Fox. The movement in Star Fox is super unrealistic, which IMO is more fun, compared to AC which tries to toe the line between real flight mechanics and fantasy. You can't do shit like the barrel roll deflection in AC for example.
>>741777179>FrenchKek
>>741777224One dollar one mc point
>>741786324however much it sells this shit is gonna have zero legs, it has nothing interesting to offer for long time fans and isn't appealing to modern audiences
>>741783850SEGA made F-Zero GX
>>741778937>>741780237>>741783270American hands posted this shit>hurr it's just 2 hours of contentYou can also beat Sekiro in 1hour game too
>>741780390Challenge mode, multiplayer, and new cutscenes.
>>741787145Showing off more of the awful voice acting so soon before release won't help either. That Nintendo of Europe post went over extremely poorly, with some people even showing proof of themselves canceling preorders.
>>741787379One game is 2hrs long when played as intended. The other isn't.
Are we all FINALLY ready to admit that this is the best StarFox game to ever come out?Even though it's technically not a StarFox game.
>>741787553>cutscenes are content
>>741780237> muh modern expectationsJesus christ fuck off with that lmao. Youre making me think the game should be even more expensive just to spite current year cucks.
>>741787840You wanna pay $50 for a 2hr game go ahead lil nigga, I expect more for my money in the current year.
>>741787665No. It was Ubislop.
>>741787665>fucking UBISOFT bothered hiring the original VAs just for an update to content that was only on the Switch.
>>741777179>archaic AIand this is exactly what i was expecting to happen, modern audiences not understanding what is this game supossed to be about. Still Nintendo's fault, arcadeslop is just not longer a viable genre in 2026 unless you price it at indideslop shovelware tier price
Isn't the point games like this to play multiple times to beat your score? Doesn't really work with a long game. Zoomies can't into arcade style gameplay.
>>741787624>using guides is played as intendedYou're supposed to explore the different routes and stuff like that. The game features different endings
>>741788090>Completionist: 10.5hr
>>741777179Being faithful to the original is.... Le bad
>>741788076They do, they loved how in Armored Core VI you could paint your mech any way you want without any microtransactions or DLCs.Shareholders fear it
>>741782979This looks like fucking dogshit, just go play touhou at this point. Why does 'your kind' always have the shittiest taste in video games?
>>741780418He says while pre-ordering AC8 for $80 and single-player season pass for $40.
>>741782979buy a fucking ad
>console shitters disavow it because it's not a walking sim with 80 hours of pointless grinding as padding>hardcore players disavow it because "lel just play the original scrub" (or play harder rail shooters / shmups)who is this game for?
>>741777254On-rails games are shit and I'm glad it's flopping.It's a genre caused by limitations that don't exist anymore.Anything less than Ace Combat style design is unanimously considered unacceptable and no contrarian autism will ever change that.On-rails shooters fucking suck. Fuck your autistic nostalgia.
Star Fox SNESStar Fox 64Star Fox 3DStar Fox ZeroStar Fox Switch 2Literally all the same game either remade or reimagined No new levels for switch 2No new content at all really besides some cutscenes and online MPThis shit deserves a 40 on metacritic not an 81
>>741784245The fuck do Poles have to do with Ninendo?
Hey, now you can experience the new content.
>>741777179SF64 is still a top tier game.Only graphics have aged.Fuck journos.
>>741788484SNES and Zero are nothing like the others.
>>741788550>normal
>>741777179the rail shooter genre peaked with Starfox 64 and since then has not delivered a single meaningful refinement or novel feature or mechanicit's the same fucking game with nothing new to offer in a dead-end genre THIRTY YEARS LATER
>>741788073It's would be profitable at indies lop prices. Nintendo is greedy and dumb.
>>741788469I mightve bought it for 3-6 bucks. Nice retro game.
>>741788181>Releasing the same game (StarFox 1993)>Not once (StarFox 64)>Not twice (StarFox Command)>Not thrice (StarFox 64 3D)>Not four times (StarFox Zero)>But FIVE TIMES (StarFox 2026)>Is... LE GOOD!
>>741788648>all the cutscenes just slap on shades for Fox if you're playing expertWonder what all medals on expert would unlock in this game.
>>741788851If every single one of those remakes failed, what makes you think people will want a new game? Especially one lacking the prestige of 64
>>741788579>Only graphics have aged.So this all defenders have to fall back on. No one will buy it. The original has a nice aesthetic>>741788658S&P was better than 64 and Orta was the actual endgame peak of rail shooters. S64 is still on the rushmore though
>>741780237current expectations are defined by the great games that come out.Only the copycats have to worry about abiding by current expectations instead of defining them.
>>741787942it wont be a 2 hour game if i get dozens of hours out of it.
>>741777179> copypasting a fun game is still funWoah. Still not buying that bullshit
>>741777179>jeuxbideo.com reviewI'll wait for an actual gamer like Dunkey to review it before making a decision
>>741789136The last time Star Fox defined expectations was in 1997.>>741789184Already did that in 1997, and again in 2011. I'm good.
>>741777179Leftoid french clickbait site, lol.They post more articles about trannies and niggers than videogames nowaday.
>>741789132>S&PI recently played it and while i liked it a lot, i cant say its better than SF64 in every single way since the plot in S&P is criptic nonsense. Youd think this doesnt matter but it does elevate such a lineal genre a good deal, and SF64's plot is simple a dn sweet and ending is just so, so good.
>>741789184you probably have 9 different tabs open calling shmup players trannies
>>741789653>playing rail shooters for the plotI, too, play VN's for the gameplay.
>>741789784It's not like it doesnt matter at all. All this complaining about the voices and the lines being different certainly point at the fact that it does matter a great deal in star fox. If they ever did S&P again, it could actually benefit from a more polished script or translation because in the IG it might aswell not be there.
>>741788851What? Command is a shitty game but IS NOT another remake, is actually a new game.
>>741782830>the 3DS version exists!Who still knows where they're 3DS is still? Does the battery on it still work? Have you been keeping up with re-charging it?
>archaic AIIt's a fucking rail shooter where you need to memorize enemy spawns and patterns to achieve the highest score. There is no real enemy AI, they have to do the exact same thing every run or it defeats the purpose. What an ignorant fucking moron.
>>741790814my kid pulls it out on occasion to play warioware DIY and rune factory 4. the battery is pretty fucked but it still works.
>>741781927>I don't fucking care about your questionThen shut the fuck up, retard.
>>741777179Do these retards not realize that the short run time is why 64 is so great and the other star foxes suck. Its a movie game done right.
>>741790814Mine works just fine.Plus, emulation also exists.
>>741777534Journos don't understand vidya that aren't snoy movie games
>>741777254This, the game looks like ugly UE5 slop, but this urinalist is a retarded moviegamer faggot>WHERE'S MUH SAD DAD WALKING SECTIONS AND PRESS X TO AWESOME AND 4 HOURS OF CUTSCENES!!!
>>741778937>it le is because... IT LE ISi m so tired of tribefaggots
>>741783270It's fifty dollars, dumb fuck, and you can't medal every stage and do all the challenges in two hours. And you didn't answer the question, so shut the fuck up.
>>741780237>Its a rail shooter, and rail shooters are characteristically short. One big reason for all these new cutscenes is to pad out the runtime.That's a design decision. Not that the genre is flawed or dated. You have a 10 hour rail shooter if they decided they wanted it that long.
you know whati'm just going to play ace combat some more instead. fuck this
>>741782830>like Nomura did with 7Ragain with this bullshit
>>741777179>jewvideo.comremember that they got their offices next to the dgsiremember that they used to regularly sent people's name and IP to them for doing an heckin antisemitism on the jvc forumsremember that the owner of the website and his son are protected pedophilesremember that it's the most censored place in Europe if you ratio in the bans/deleted posts, it's even worse than plebbitt.old user of the 15-18, then 18-25 before the webedia era
>>741791312there isn't enough interesting gameplay in the rail shooter genre to support 10 hour playthroughs
>>741777179basé
>>741791197You can do it in 10, at most.I'm not gonna, though, causw I don't care about hi-score autism. So medals aren't content to me.
>>741777179>by being overly faithful lol
>>741782830why buy the 3DS version when the N64 game exists?
>>741792548Portable, nicer grafics.
>>741777179so hes complaining about the good parts that its still just the 64 game but doesnt say a word about anything actually bad like voixe actinfthese people are another species
