>game starts with Nietzsche quote
>thread starts with a faggot OP
>>741782354forgot to add im trans, not sure if that matters
>game opens with edgar allan poe quote>10 years later the lead designer is arrested for possession of CPludo
>>741782260yeah, I'm not big on nazi propaganda being shoved in my face
>reddit froggo back
>>741782661Name three games
>it's a Kafkaesque game with quotes for loading screens
>>741782965>cat website>anime website>frog website
>>741783004the game i'm specifically referring to is Eternal Darkness on Gamecube. great game by the way.
I read Nietzsche for the first time recently (specifically Beyond Good & Evil and the Genealogy of Morality) and I found his "morality" absolutely reprehensible. He is literally de Sade without the porn. Why the fuck is he so popular? He's literally just a "being good is cringe, being evil is based" edgelord with zero substance
>>741783171FilteredNietzsche's morals are compassionate and less hateful than modern ones.
>>741783613>Life itself is essentially appropriation, injury, overpowering of what is alien and weaker; suppression, hardness, imposition of one’s own forms, incorporation and at least, at its mildest, exploitation.… If it is a living and not a dying body…it will have to be an incarnate will to power, it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant—not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and because life simply is will to power. But there is no point on which the ordinary consciousness of Europeans resists instruction as on this: everywhere people are now raving, even under scientific disguises, about coming conditions of society in which “the exploitative aspect” will be removed—which sounds to me as if they promised to invent a way of life that would dispense with all organic functions. “Exploitation” does not belong to a corrupt or imperfect and primitive society: it belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will of life.This is literally something an anime villain in a black trenchcoat would say during a monologue. Nietzsche may not have been racist but I'm glad his faggy ideology got tarnished forever by its appropriation by the Nazis. How's that "appropriation" for you, syphilitic queer
>>741783004I know for a fact I've seen>If you stare into the abyss...More than a handful of times. It seems to be the only damn quote anyone knows from him. I'm against using any quote, because it's lazy. Quoting people who didn't know meth and putting leeches on yourself didn't cure the common cold.
>if you gaze into le abyss...
>>741783826>Nazis are badWhat other opinions do you get from Reddit?
>>741784194That's a Nietzsche quote, not a Poe quote
>>741782354made him seethe with this one kek
>>741784438>implying Nietzsche isn't the most Reddit philosopher to ever liveHe also loved Jews
>>741783826He is right though? He’s saying it’s impossible to treat “exploitation” as evil without treating human life itself as evil, because humans can’t live at all without killing things. Exploitation is fundamental to human nature.
>>741784717I know that. The second part is more of a generalization.
>>741782260>game ends with Voltaire quote
>>741784838>because humans can’t live at all without killing thingsHe's not talking about exploiting animals, he's talking about exploiting other humans
>game starts with a Bible quote
>>741782260Never seen a game start with "To be or not to Be where is the question?"
If I ever make a game it's going to have some absurd goofball story and start with:>"Fuck" - Friedrich Nietzschefollowed by>Based on a true story
>game starts with distant chimpanzee screeching, gunfire and farting noises
>game starts with a quote from your mom telling you how disappointed she is with what you've become
but does your game open with a quote from The Great Gatsby?
"where is the question"?I honestly believe having chimpanzees screeching would be a better option than that.
>>741785194He is talking about all forms of life, all forms of life must exploit others in order to live
>>741787302Yes, he is, but he's applying that specifically to human society in the context. He's not just saying "wolves eat deer" as a non-sequitur. He's saying "wolves eat deer, so the elite should exploit the poor". It's textbook social Darwinism
>>741783826>doesn’t argue the point>just says ‘it’s problematic’Come back when you have an actual argument to what is being said.
>>741787831I don't need to refute the argument of "we should all just rape, kill, and steal from each other like niggers". It's the same reason I'm not gonna compose an argument against someone who asserts that we should start eating our own shit. You are not entitled to my good faith, cretin
>>741787635He is not saying they should. He’s saying they DO and forever WILL.He is largely a ‘messenger’ - his prescriptions for solutions are often wishy-washy and vague imo.But I think you are misunderstanding him at a fundamental level, he does not make ‘Ought To’ claims.
>loading screen tips give you real life advice, nothing to do with the game
>>741787635He is not making a value statement, I’m saying that any attempt to make a system where “nobody is exploited” is doomed to failure due to the nature of life
>>741788280In all 16 years of publishing philosophy treatises, he never provided a single alternative. He simply says "the strong will exploit the weak, and wanting life to be anything beyond that is slave morality". Whether he agrees with master morality or not is irrelevant to my ultimate conclusion that his philosophy has no value or practical application. It's shallow doomerism at best, Sadean psychopathy at worst
>>741788159See >>741788280He’s only saying there that life itself is exploitative. He is not saying it SHOULD be, which is out of the realm of Nietzchean philosophy.It is instructive to know what he is arguing about in historical context. He was a brilliant classical philosopher, who felt he had realized that Plato, Aristotle, and philosophy in general makes a lot of unsubstantiated claims about what the authors WANT to be true, instead of what is ACTUALLY observably true.But could you elaborate on what your worldview is? What is your philosophy? I hope you understand that I am genuinely curious and this isn’t bad-faith shitposting.
>>741782354bodied that freak
>>741788649>Whether he agrees with master morality or not is irrelevant to my ultimate conclusion that his philosophy has no value or practical applicationIt is practical in that it allows you to be aware of when people are peddling bullshit
>>741782260>game's subtitle is a Nietzsche quotekino!
>game has Jesus Christ make an appearance
>>741788326>game's random tip system insists that you should change your underwear every day
>>741788649I think you misunderstand what slave morality, as he describes it, entails.For example, he views Christianity as a slave morality religion. Why? Because it says, “yes, you are weak and poor and exploited. But after you die, THEN you will reap eternal Heaven!”His problem with it is that it makes people complacent. There is no reason to change the material world now, because you are a Good Person and will receive your reward Later.In this way, he is arguing in favor of your point that you should actively DO something NOW if you want your material conditions to change. Anything besides DOING SOMETHING is Slave Morality.To use your anime example, imagine an anime where the people are exploited by bad guys who just keep making promises that if they work extra hard and stay enslaved, they will be rewarded after they die. Nietzche is the character yelling at everyone to rise up and take action if they want to live better lives.But he DOES reject the concept of a utopian future where there is no such thing as exploitation at all.
>>741788656My philosophy is that basic human decency is universal, logical, objective, and common sense and that Nietzschean retards who say "um actually child rape and torture being bad is just ur opinion it's just like a cultural construct dude" aren't worth dignifying with a response. Most humans figured out that we shouldn't kill, rape, and steal 200,000 years ago, because doing so invites others to do the same to you, so it's in everyone's best interest to cooperate and mutually assume in good faith. The golden rule. Of course, there will always be bad actors that you can't be naive towards, but that inevitability doesn't justify collectively stooping to their level
>>741789428The difference is only that Nietzche doesn’t claim those morals are capital-O Objective. How do we try to prevent bad actors from doing such things?It is clear that saying ‘they are bad’ does not prevent everyone from murdering etc. It still happens. So, to your point, there are bad actors who don’t care. This alone means that it’s not Universal.We try to prevent bad actors from doing those things by threat of punishment and punishment itself.You can only punish someone if you are stronger than them. This is why the state does it.So, the morals are not really there in a universal sense - otherwise there would be no such horrific acts. But if you think those things are bad, as most people do, then you better be able to exert your will to prevent such things from happening.
>>741782260Name some.
>>741790129MGSV
I just can't stop farting.
>>741782260"We all could use a little change!"-Smash Mouth
>>741789330>>741788326always wear dry socks
>I'm picking up enemy chatter
What the fuck does this mean?
>>741790001Eating food and not starving to death is objectively good. But there are still some people who will willingly starve themselves for whatever reason. "Objectivity" is semantics
>>741790269Not Nietzsche
>>741790694>Boot up Mina the Hollower>Life is nothing but a slap on the face! >Life is nothing but a big rat race!>-The Baha Men
>>741788326>real life advice is inapplicable to most of the localized audience
>>741790949
>>741790865You brought ‘objectivity’ into the mix. If you want to not starve, then eat.If you want others to not starve, then do something materially that helps them eat.His point is you can’t just go “starving is bad, I don’t want anyone to starve, but oh well I guess it happens, nothing I can do”Point being: just saying something is Good or Bad is insufficient to actually getting shit done. You can’t just say “it’s Bad therefore it won’t ever happen” or “it’s Bad therefore God will punish them later nothing I can do”
>>741791293I seem to remember some Romanian philosopher's quote like "it is not a country that we inhabit but a language". Is this GZ?
>>741782260I wouldn't mind.
>>741784797every intelligent person does
>>741782260
>>741782260>Game starts with developer logos, each with their own fucking screen and animation
>>741789332>“yes, you are weak and poor and exploited. But after you die, THEN you will reap eternal Heaven!”This isnt Christian teaching at all, literary just a fucking strawman.
