Let's settle this once and for all, which one was the better game, Morrowind or Gothic?
Morrowind
>>741786669very convincing arguments
>>741786541Well one of these game's companies went bankrupt and the other scammed Microsoft out of billions of dollars so pretty clear cut on who won
>>741786998Morrowind raped Gothic II so hard that Piranha bytes changed the series entire identity and made Gothic III into an open world game to try and ride off TES success. And it was completely shit.
>>741786541Morrowind of course
>>741787154its pointless to compare art like that, any random Chinese gacha made more money than most beloved and highly regarded gaming franchises
>>741786541I like both.>>741787154Bethesda never made another game as good as Morrowind and PB remade Gothic 2 over and over again, every time a little worse.Sad.
>>741786541M>G
Objectively it's Morrowind, more people have played it.
>>741786541Gothic if you are a nazi or slavoidMorrowind if you are an amerimutt
>>741787462>ad populum>objective
Only central Europeans who didn't own Morrowind as kids but got Gothic think Gothic is better
>>741786541I don't live in a country with Smingus Dingus so Morrowind.
>>741787607>Umm actually thats wrong sweetie it doesn't align with my opinion Okay faggot then address >>741787263 and the fact PB were mind broken by Morrowind so hard they killed Gothic and would proceed to make shittier versions of Gothic II until they shut down
>>741786541Gothic II
>>741787609>didn't owneveryone pirated games back then dude
>>741787738Don't get me wrong, I think Morrowind is better. I just think "more people played it" is a retarded argument for something being good. You must think League of Legends is the best game of all time.
>>741787607Objective value can only be determined by mass appeal. Many people consider the Mona Lisa a great painting, even if it was nothing special at the time or in the grand scheme of things.
>>741787895>objective value can only be determined by mass appealI guess Skyrim mogs Morrowind then.
>>741787895>most people think 2+2=5 thats why its objectively true
>tes vs gothicWhat is it? 00s in easeter EU?
>>741788063Yes.>>741788065We made mathematics up, it's not actually something that exists. So yeah, that would be correct, if that ever happened.
>>741788154Unreal Tournament vs quake 3
>>741788189>actually defending the statement that Skyrim mogs Morrowind on /v/Get the fuck out. I'm sick of zoomers and alphies defending that game because it was their first rpg. Go out and play more games, get some taste, and come back to /v/.
>>741788353Your opinion is worthless, sorry!
>>74178824803 or 04?
>>741788189>mathematics can be swayed by public opinionThis nigga is baiting and I'm a retard for falling for it.
>>741788353I prefer Morrowind, but Skyrim is the better game objectively.>>741788595Objective reality is based on consensus.
>>741788570ut99 obviously
>>741786541This thread is being derailed by retards. The answer is Morrowind unless you were a junkie in eastern europe in the early 00s.
>>741788595If the entire world decided that 2+2=5 tomorrow and went with it you screaming that it actually is 4 wouldn't change a thing.
>>741788724>Objective reality is based on consensusThe problem with this thinking is that the consensus is influenced by a lot more than just facts. Marketing, emotional appeal, authority figures saying its right, psyops, etc. Marketers are not arbiters of truth, they just want you to buy something so that they make more money. Fooling people into false beliefs does not make those beliefs reality.
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>>741786541i dont even remember gothicany time i try to recall it i just end up remembering two worlds and laughing at forsooth
>>741786541Both are good.>t.game enjoyer
>>741789394Based
>>741788876NTA but said world would immediately collapse and prove it right. I have no idea why you thought this was a useful argument, how embarrassing. Now please, continue to lash out and writhe in your replies as though it will somehow make you right.
>>741788876If I then proved to the world that 2+2=4 after the consensus switched it to 5, would objective reality suddenly change?
>>741786541Gothic was a better executed game, Morrowind was a more interesting concept
>>741790286>Gothic was a better executedmorrowind ran better, had much better graphic and had a lot bigger world
>>741786541Morrowind because I prefer the meta narrative of The Nerevarine, if the hero is organic or artificial, does it matter if he fulfils his role?
>>741786541they're both really fun
>>741790703It didn't run better, it didn't have better graphics (more asset variety if anything), and it did have a better world but the gameplay mechanics were not as well executed as those of Gothic. Overall Gothic plays better but it rarely surprises you. Morrowind is more interesting, but it plays significantly worse.
>>741786541There was never any debate. Morrowind has always been the better game. Gothic fags just wish their games were on the same level.
>>741792854>There was never any debatethere were countless debates about both those games
>morrowindtroon getting uppity againlmao
>>741793069>wereThat is because these Gothiclowns were a very vocal minority. Nobody else ever took that eurotrash seroiusly.
>>741787738That's a false statement considering there's G2 standing between Morrowind and G3. I would argue Morrowind had no effect on the development of any of Gothic games whatsoever.In terms of following, Morrowind is one of those games where after 20 years modders still try to make it good, Gothic is one of those games where modders still make new shit on top of what was in vanilla.
gothic is better, but let the brown zoomers stick to their bethesdaslop and YouTuber-approved opinions.
>>741788189>>>741788063>Yes.Ah yes. I love it when a /v/tard chooses to make himself look like an absoilute moron than admit to having been wrong. After all, on an anonymous board, it costs nothing other than self respect, and you can win an entire discussion that will exist for 1 hour.
>>741786541I'm honestly perplexed so many morons here really believe Morrowind is any good. Gothic literally ass rapes it in every department except lore. >World interactivity and immersive elements Gothic>QuestsGothic>CombatGothic>Open world designGothic>Graphics Gothic>AnimationGothics>SoundtrackGothicMorrowind is such an unbalanced broken mess ignoring it's quirky setting it's honestly baffling anybody even dares to compare it to gothic
morrowind europoors could never
>>741786541both games have garbage gameplay, but Morrowind wins out for having actually interesting worldbuilding.
>>741786541Gothic 2. Small and hand-crafted worlds beats gigantic copy-paste one every day. The progression in Gothic is also leagues above Morrowind.
>>741790703>and had a lot bigger world>more is better85 IQ take
>>741795654>copy-pastemorrowind predates copy pasted my dude
>>741786541Both shitty unsclop and millennial baby's first rpg
>>741788724No, objective reality is based on logical deduction. Consensus is too flawed. Logical deduction is precise.
>>741786541gothic
>>741786541IMO, Gothic was more technologically impressive. Morrowind had bigger world and arguably better worldbuilding, but I would argue if it had better writing per se.
>>741796097>technologically impressivethe only impressive thing about gothic was, its fully voice acted
>>741786541Uncslop vs germslop
>>741796529>open world with no loading screens>crafting>NPC schedules>animal ecosystem>NPCs reacting to the enviroment and player behaviour around them>ability to fluently use the parts of enviroment (cooking, digging, using a forge, climbing a ladder and so on).It took Bethesda until 2006 and Oblivion to catch up to most of those things and even then their NPC behaviours felt off. Fuck Bethesda only figured out how to make PC use a ladder without a loading screen in 2019 with Starfield.
I think they are actually so different from each other, that it doesn't really make sense to compare them.While both are "action rpgs", mechanically Morrowind is much more "rpg" while Gothic is more action.Generally Morrowind is much more of a sandbox. You can do what you want, even craft your own spells, the main character is a blank slate, there are things like vampirism and lycanthropy, ilnesses and so on. Morrowind does a lot of things, and not all of them equally well.Gothic on the other hand knows what it wants to do and does exactly that. Imho the setting is also more interesting, but the nameless hero is not a blank slate and there is a stronger focus on the narrative. Ironically Gothic tried to become more like TES and got worse (although I actually like Gothic 3, it was really bad on release and is very different from the previous entries) while TES became more action and less rpg as well, just compare Morrowind to Oblivion to Skyrim.
>>741797110>It took Bethesda until 2006 and Oblivionhave u even played Morrowind? all those things were present in it with way more robust systems than gothic or any later Bethesda game was was downgrade and dumbed down lmao
>>741797584No, honey, they fucking weren't.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PcUQQOODv0
>>741797683Lmao gothic fags are so desperate they have to resort to disingenuous vids showcasing modded gothic vs vanilla morrowind lmao
>>741797215>Imho the setting is also more interesting
>>741786541The only thing Morrowind has over Gothic is a bigger budget with bigger world with more lore. Everything else is better in Gothic and if those german autists did have a bigger budget I think they would have fucked everything up (see Gothic 3)
