Finally they called out the poorfag drama queens acting like $1,000 is some kind of generational purchasehttps://www.pcgameshardware.de/Valve-Software-Firma-15833/Specials/Interview-Hardly-any-cheaper-gaming-PCs-8-GiByte-is-enough-1546252/>We still think the value of the Steam Machine is there. If you're somebody looking to buy a gaming PC, we think it compares very favorably on price and feature set and quality and performance. If you're looking in the market for a gaming PC, I think it compares really favorably.>Obviously, if you just don't have the budget for it, you don't have the budget for any real gaming PC at that point, so this is just not a product for [those people], which is totally fine with us.
who cares? just play Switch
Except they advertised it mainly as a console
>>741800540true.>>741800709you're a retarded fuckface moron
>>741800709thats funny, what i remember is them explicitly saying multiple times over the course of months that it is NOT a console nor intended to compete with any consoles.
>>741800756Steam machine sucks dick
>>741800776>console like experience>your games on the BIG screenRing any bells?
>>741800540Oh, I have the budget for a real gaming PC. It's just the Steam Machine isn't a real gaming PC.
>>741800639Agreed, the Switch is a perfectly adequate option for the lower classes. Steam Machine is for those of us that can afford it
>>741800540A $500 PC that can play 10 year old AAA and all current AA and indie is still very much a gaming PC.
>>741800540My graphics card costs more than a steam machine.
>>741801078Jesus, Anniston is such a beauty
>>741800709No they did not.
>It will be under $1000>It doesn't need to come with a controller>It doesn't need HDMI 2.1 they are going to patch it>1440 is perfectly fine, ignore that the use case is a TV which all run at 4k now>Blame the AI companies!>You just don't understand, you aren't the target audience^^^^^ you are here>You don't like it because you are brown / post hand>It is going to sell out anyways>It sold out because of scalpers and AI datacenters>You are just poor if you aren't going to buy it>I am going to buy one anyways, I don't care what people say...>1 month later: I am forgotten
>>741800863yeah reminds me of when they said in no uncertain terms that it was NOT a console and not intended to compete with any nigger consoles (they said that)
>>741800540It should have been 150$ and delivered with a hooker.
>>741800863>console-LIKEAs in it's NOT a console.
>>741801340
>>741800540You can build a more powerful system for the same price. Valve is utterly retarded.
>>741801470elaborate
>>741801470And?Where does that say it's supposed to be a console? It's a PC that's easy to connect to a television due to the small size.
>>741801530that's the first tagline you see on the website
>>741801498But can you make it smaller than a banana?
Wow, seems like Valve is as delusional as their fans
>>741801470you got strangled by the umbilical cord or something?
Why did they lie about the "desktop class" hardware?It's literally using laptop reject parts
>>741800863my pc plays on the big screen just fine
>>741801078A used PC costs 200$ and can play Age of Empires.
>>741801601It can't even handle eArc or 4k at any acceptable framerate. lmao
>>741800540I already have a gaming PC that can play everything I need it to, so why should I pay that same amount of money again on something I don't really need?
>>741801712This, everyone's harping on how you can make a better desktop for the same amount of money. Nigger you can get a better LAPTOP for the same money, this even underperforms the mobile 5050 that's standard with entry level machines
>>741800863>>console like experienceno, it doesn't. where was this said?
>>741800540You can do a superior itx build for the same price.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rg8MCw
>>741801924>They never said it was supposed to be a console replacement!Added to the shill list, thanks!
>>741801918>this even underperforms the mobile 5050that's because I was not exaggerating when I said it's using laptop reject parts, the steam machine is LITERALLY using crap laptop parts.
>>741802256So did they? Adding you to the retard list, thanks!
>>741800709Valve has been saying since the beginning that its not a console and that its a pc but its other people pushing for it to be one.
>>741800540Steam machine is shit, gabe is shit. They pushed digital only harder than anyone else so fuck 'em
well that's a load of shit
>>741800863I have a PC is attached to a TV right now and it does all this. In no way I'm calling it console. The only way you wouldn't know is if you've mobileposting and never owned or used a PC before.
>>741801843
>>741801343>TV which all run at 4k nowwe don't have a screen over 1080p in our household
>>741800540The gay box is more expensive than both pre-builts and gaming laptops. Also the fact that they sell a 512 GB model when modern games are almost 200 GB is hilarious, who do they think they're fooling when they're trying to market this as a gaming PC instead of a mini PC or console?
My laptop I bought last year for $1000 has better hardware than the Steam machine
Valve sucks at getting their message out that the press is able to run with whatever they want.
>>741802938TV's last a long time, but holy shit if you are still running entirely 1080 your setups must suck balls. That isn't even a consumerism thing, that's just having poor eyesight given the alternatives.
Right now people are easily beating the Gaben's S&M box using the same budget, I hope the trend pivots to people trying to match the performance at a much lower price. There's no way you couldn't get yourself an equally low to mid range gaming PC that matches the performance for below $700 USD right now. Whatever RGB slopbox is on clearance at Bestbuy or Costco should do it if you make sure it has a less than half a decade old discreet GPU. RAM might be expensive, but you only need to hit 1 stick of 16 GB with mediocre timings.
>>741800540Gaben really made a gayer console to promote gayer Linux instead of making HL3. Even the Mona Lisa is falling apart.
>>741800709>PC you can hook up to your TV>competing with consolethis is a sign that consoles have completely lost the plot. if a TV-PC is indistinguishable from a console then your whole console is just a shitty PC. you install games, you patch shit, you download off internet, you have movies and other crap.
>>741800540They sound like they studied under Doug Bowser and that Don Mattick. What a completely out of touch statement. You should be terrified of what will happen to Steam once Gaben croaks.
>>741803119Or he just doesn't give a shit.
>>741800540>Obviously, if you just don't have the budget for it, you don't have the budget for any real gaming PC at that pointI honestly feel like if you had the will and were savvy about it you could spec out a "real gaming PC" that beats the Steam Machine on newegg.
>>741800950Amazing how the "drop the price!" faggots just vanished like they never existed huh?
>>741803143You certainly can get competitive performance for will under it, especially considering you do not need to spring for a ddr5 platform, because the Cube is running in such a low tdp environment that it isn’t benefiting from the speed increase.
>>741800540>real gaming >their app is just shovelware prototype furry gay pedo anime click gameslmao dead company
>>741800540>Calling out poorfags.Gaming is returning to its roots as an elite hobby. World is unironically healing.
>>741800540lolstuff like this is why companies only let PR people and media trained people do the talking
>>741803119We just don't replace shit until it breaks. And we don't have anything bigger than 40", so 4K would be a waste anyway.Maybe when my 15 years old monitor dies I'll get something better.
>>741803143>Right now people are easily beating the Gaben's S&M box using the same budget,If anything, the cube's cost effectiveness is a good advertisement of the PC platform's strength. The console comparisons act like the cube is the only thing that exists.
>>741800540poorfags on suicide watch
>If you cant afford the steam machine, you cant afford pc gamingBold of them to go the microsoft xbox one pre-release marketing route. They are objectively correct, however, if you cant afford it you cant afford pc gaming. Too bad for them that thousand dollars required to get you started on pc gaming goes further by buying literally anything else. The steam machine gets you into 5 year old pc gaming kek.
You can build a better PC for less if the form factor means nothing to you. I genuinely hope you retards are getting paid for this campaign.
>>741801653It's the big cope, nobody can find a comparable SFFThe ones that they do took the SFF part out because they kept overheating
>>741803362>if you had the will and were savvy about it you could spec out a "real gaming PC" that beats the Steam Machine on neweggMate you couldn't get a weaker GPU and CPU on Newegg if you tried, you'd need to go to the used market or Aliexpress to find low end components from that long ago
>>741803235Welcome to the seventh generation of consoles 20 years ago.
>>741803119My entire family only has 1080p TVs and monitors, and if I was going to get a new one I would still opt for 1080p because 1440p is all over the place in issues it can cause and 4K requires many concessions to deal with in terms of older games, screenshot filesize bloat (Already a major problem on my PS5 let me tell you since it defaults them to 4K even if the game isn't playing at 4K), and sacrifices you need to make in order to get anything to run even remotely well at that framerate unless you're plugging that performance issue with money.
>>741800540True, I spent $2500 on my newest PC last September and that was before RAM/SSD prices shot up. That being said I still don't see the point in the Steam Machine outside of the SFF meme.
>>741800540Actual cope from Valve. You can go to any fucking store in this coubtry and get a prebuilt with similar or better speccs for half the price of the steam machine.
>>741803119I upgraded my parents' TV from an old ass 1080p LG from the 2010s to a nice 4K OLED recently. However, since all they watch is films via streaming services, the image quality is so shit that it barely makes a difference (especially since they're older movies with no quality control on the file that's being streamed).
>>741801498
>>741803924>I spent $2500 on my newest PC last September and that was before RAM/SSD prices shot up.How? I just spent $1000ish for 32GB DDR5, a 1000w PSU just for the future, a brand new case, a new fan, a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, a brand new MOBO, and reused my old 3070 and SSDs/HDDs on it and it plays basically everything at 60+ at 1080p on the highest settings minus RT. Did you decide to buy a 50 series card or something? Because even before the RAM prices shot up you could get 8TB WD drives for like $100-150 and 32GB of RAM for like $140 so you'd be able to save like $300 on what I spent at least.
>>741801653>>741803701pic related is significantly more powerful than the steam machine and slimmer too.
>>741800950lol lmao. nintendo has always been the console of choice for richfags because the games are expensive and never go down in price
>>741804147+$140 for Windows 11 Home (the preferred OS)
>>741803640I thought the form factor was kinda the main selling point, I don't know why the fuck that guys is pretending it's a good purchase if you just want "raw power" for $1049.
>>741804336>because the games are expensive and never go down in priceHasn't really been the case with the Switch or Switch 2, they've reversed gear. I've gotten a lot of first party games brand new from the store for $20-30 and Switch 2 in particular is seeing tons of random drops. I bought PLZ-A and MP4 for $30 each just a few weeks back, ToTK for $40 or $50 I forgot which just a few days back, Hyrule Warriors Age of Imprisonment for $40, and I just saw the Prime Day sales have stuff like the new Mario Tennis game for $40ish.The only things seemingly retaining their value are Pokemon games as they never drop at all unless they're major flops like BDSP (Which I got for $20), Smash, and Mario Kart. I don't think I've seen a MKW sale yet.
>>741804147Now let's see the case
>>741800756you talk like a teenage tumblrite girl
>>741804336>>741804578Oh, and because Nintendo is now doing that dumb "Physical is $10 more" nonsense you have B&Ms price matching the digital price outright so Star Fox and Splatoon Raiders are both $50 instead of the $60 MSRP.
>>741801204maybe on planet retard
>>741804230>a 1000w PSU just for the futureThat future was 5 years ago.
Its weaker than a base ps5 from 2020 though which was like 400 bucks or something
They're right, but I'm still not going to buy one.
>>741800540But my pc is $1500 and shits all over the turd box?
>>741800540Yes. Because Steam Machine is just a PC with SteamOS straight out the box. You can install it on fucking any other PC. What's confusing people about this premise?
>>741804412Get it for $5 on groupon.
>>741803848>>741804230>>741804578>namefag can't even tripcode rightly
>>741804604
>>741804247Steam machine forced them to lower the price of this thing.
>>741805165Nope, it was $1100 last month
>>741804912Yeah no married man is going to have that sitting in the middle of his living room shelf next to the television
>>741804859they think they're buying a steam console
>>741805359Maybe for barebones
>>741804230You ask how someone could spend a lot of money, then try to brag about settling for AMD, resusing old GPU's, and not even going to a 4k monitor?Holy shit is this what the epic pc master race thinks is impressive now?
>>741805397Nah it was just on sale
>>741800540the point is that this pile of shit is overpriced for what you get. That's the point. Why are so many retards not understanding that? Why pay $1k for this pile of shit when you can pay $1k and get something much better? Fucking stupid mongoloids just start ww3 already so i can kill as many of you retarded cunts as possible
>if you cant afford the steam box you cant afford a gaming pcWhy is anyone mad about this? He isnt calling you a poorfag he is stating the obvious with how fucked the electronics market is.
I could easily spend $1000. I just don't think the Steam Machine or even most modern PC configurations are worth anything close to that.
>>741800540It's true ... bit rude, but come on - my unit is 3K, and the Steam Cube is more than worth the money. Go buy a Switch for 400 & play Mario.
>>741800540Counter point. People are putting together pc rigs right now with the same specs as a steam machine, but with much better gpu's for the same price. The steam machine gpu should have been at least rdna4, not 3
He's not wrong. A decent PC is 2k easily. The real question is, if you can afford this, why not spend the extra on a PC?
>>741800540if you a broke boy just say so
Tim Sweeney's calling Gabe out on his bullshit
They're right though, this is literally true are journalists really trying to get people to go after Valve for stating truth?This is literally shooting the messenger
>>741805415I'm not bragging, I'm asking how it's possible to spend that much, particularly before everything shot up even if you were picking better parts than the ones I picked.Getting a better CPU than what I have is only like $100ish more and then it becomes diminishing returns, and that's with the current increase in component costs. You'd be paying like $250-$300 max a year or two back.DDR5 RAM at the time was roughly $100-$140 for 32 GB. What are you doing, running 128+ for some reason? Even if you were doing that 64 was only $40ish more.Getting my 3070 even right now is only $400, and if you went for the 5070 Ti even right now is roughly in the $800-$1000 range. You'd have to be burning your money on a 5080 which would get it closer at around $1300.Realistically you could get what I had for $400ish less just a year or two back, and you would absolutely have some existing SSDs and HDDs to work with so I doubt you'd even bother buying those unless you had to. You'd have to be burning your money on so many high end parts to spend $2500.
>>741800540The point is that the value proposition is mid as fuck. You can get a better prebuilt PC at same price, even if the Steam Machine isn't necessarily the disaster drama farmers make it out to be. Either Valve fumbled the launch or it's trying to appeal to a niche that doesn't necessarily exist. If you ask me, they probably should've sold them at a loss just to eat market from consolettes. Now, consolettes will look at it and say "why would I pay that much extra to play same games I could on a console" and people already in the Steam ecosystem will look and say "why would I pay for this when I can get more bang for my buck on other hardware"?Maybe this is just a test run and Valve is going to come up with a proper value proposition when the next gen of consoles eventually comes out and people actually want to upgrade their systems.
unless the bubble pops soon I'm expecting more increases from the console makers. it just so happened Valve is the latest to enter this shitshow.
>>741800540they are not wrong thoughbeit.pc gayming used to be cheap as fuck, one of the cheapest hobbies out there. An entry level PC could be acquired for $400 at some point in 2014.>inb4 (normal) inflation over time duhhhhnowadays the entry level pc starts at $1000 and that's bare MINIMUM with new parts all to game at 1080p, a resolution that should have been gone a long time ago if it wasn't for incompetency from developers, with fake frames and downscaled shitty blurry ass images.
>if you can't afford $1000, you can't afford PC gamingThis is correct.>you can build a traditional tower that outperforms the GabenCube for the same price at pentuple the cubic volume and four times the power consumptionThis is also correct, and a better route for NEETs and stinky desk gamers.The only alternative I see at a similar volume and TDP would be a framework mainboard in a small case, which will run you, in total, about 30% more in cost for ~20% more performance in the same dimensions and slightly higher power budget.
>>741806267Even if it pops, it will take a while for companies to adjust again into gaming hardware, if they even want to anymore. Then there's the retailers that are always much less eager to decrease prices as they are to raise them.
>>741800540It's underpowered, outdated and overpriced. Valve dropped the ball with the Steam Machine.
>>741800540Don't Steam games constantly go on sale though? Also, it does seem kinda retarded to say something like this publicly, since this kind of statement is bound to result in outrage.
>>741805567Clearly it wasn't on sale enough because nobody bought that shit. It is a nice config though.I find some apus more impressive desu
>>741806425>one of the cheapest hobbies out thereEven with the price hikes it's still one of the cheapest hobbies out there which is why it's popular with teenagers.
>>741805845>twitterdidn't read
>>741806770>nobody bought that shit.????it's unironically a popular product, genuinely regarded as the best gaming mini PC on the market today and it only released in April. Check reviews if you don't believe me lol.
>>741806820I have seen 1 review of it ever and that was today because I looked it up. I expect to see more now that SFF have a spotlight on them again.
>>741800540steamdrones are absolute goycattle
Why are they gaslighting people into believing this?
>>741807057That isn't a mini pc or even SFF
>>741807057what is the obsession with glass panels
>>741807103Valve didn't mention SFF, they just claimed it's a good PC for the price.
>>741800540Mini PCs deprecate in value as you can't upgrade them so they should be cheaper to justify the purchase. Self built gaming PCs can be made future proof, you might pay a bigger price up front, you on the long run you save money.
>>741807195>
>>741801204lmao nope
>>741807103Thats not what was saidThey said you could not find any gaming PC at this budget that could be comparable to the steam machines performance. They are literally gaslighting people into buying this scam. They are basically saying if you cant afford our steam machine, you're fucking poor and shouldn't buy anything else and should just save up for our product until you can buy it.>"Obviously, if you just don't have the budget for it, you don't have the budget for any real gaming PC at that point. So yeah, we're disappointed that it's not more affordable, more approachable, more accessible. But we're still proud of what we were able to achieve in terms of quality and performance. And even at this price point, we still think it's actually really aggressive relative to what else you can buy."
>>741807195It is a good pc for the price right now but it also explicitly says it's for the big screen and I'm not gonna have a big pc sitting next to my tv. I already have a mini pc that can game and stream from my desktop so I have no interest in it but I'm not gonna pretend a desktop / and mini pc are the same
>>7418005401k for a PC is pretty reasonable. Not sure I'd buy a steam machine, but that is PC price range.
Why do companies give interviews and open themselves up to putting their foot in their mouth like this?Of course people can afford the steam machine, the argument is that it's just not worth it for that price.
>>741807164the same reason why people waste money on brand clothing, expensive cars, itoddlers.
>>741806910doesn't sound like you looked very hard
>>741800756and you're a retard with no argument>>741800540he's not wrong, PC isn't meant for the poor anyway
Good things about steam machine are the form factor and that is almost zero noise. It doesnt have good performance
>>741804412$0 if you aren't retarded.
>>741807391I don't know what website that is so no I didn't
>>741807247the machine will be useless by the time UE6 comes out, can't wait to see the benchmarks.
>>741807250I meant the interview, I thought SFF was the main selling point, but the Valve guy claims otherwise
>>741807103>>741807250see >>741806568
>>741807491no machine can run UE games to be fair. Well they can on settings that look like utter shit
>>741807505So where's that website? I'm not gonna go off a jaypeg
>>741807451it's a PC gamer review.https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-pcs/atomman-g1-pro-review/and their review of the Steam Machinehttps://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-pcs/steam-machine-review-2026/
>>741807628I don't read pc lamer because they are pozzed sometimes
>>741800540>any real gaming PCHow much would a PC made of the most popular steam hardware survey components cost?
>>741807587https://www.ldlc.com/en/product/PB00745923.html
>PC Games: And just for the sake of it: What happens if prices suddenly go down in one or two years? Do you see that as an option, to say, okay, we can actually lower the prices for both Steam Deck and Steam Machine? Or is that pretty much set in stone right now?>Lawrence Yang: I think we'll always look at what we can make more accessible to customers. I think that our goal with hardware is to make games more fun, to let people have more ways to play their Steam games. It's not to make a huge profit. If there's a whole bunch of margin, we want to be able to somehow give that back to them.Waitchads win again.
>>741806568>>741807587https://www.ldlc.com/n7282/(english: https://www.ldlc.com/en/product/PB00745922.html)They're a french PC builder and retailer.
>>741800540I think they could have sold way more of these pieces of shit if 1. It wasn't locked down soldered on hardware and 2. It wasn't underpowered to a hilarious degree. Most PC users don't give a fuck about form factor or stuffing it onto a shelf. If the damn thing was MORE expensive with better hardware (that you could actually upgrade later) it would be look like a better deal.
>grab a second hand optiplex from a few years ago>replace the cooler with a cheap tower>slam in one of the morbillion cheap ass RX580s still floating aroundBam, Steam Machine except you can actually upgrade the fucking thing. What's the point of this overpriced shitbox? They don't even have the decency to chuck in a copy of the Valve Complete Pack or a Steam gift card.
>>741803119I have an extra monitor plugged in that's old enough to post here. I've had two other widescreens die while it keeps truckin along.
>>741807759So it's actually almost 1.2k in real money before taxes and shipping fees come into play
>>741807786What would be the point of that tho? It would just be a regular ass prebuild PC but with Valve logo on it.
>>741800540The asking price for that tiny little shitty thing is not worth the money when you can get something bigger and better for the same price.jews always lose
>>741807692would depend if you go DDR4 or DDR5 and which CPU, they don't specify either but I would assume DDR4 is the most popular due to 3rd worlders and some crap like a Ryzen 5 5600 or an i5 11400F
>>741807920anon frenchies pay VAT and it's included in the list price
>>741808068Oh well you save there but then you gotta get a power adapter if you aren't there. Good for them I guess.
>>741801078I'm sure you can buy a 1060 6GB level PC for even less and play anything except for AAA made in the last 2 years or so
>>741807920VAT is already in the price, you're grasping at straws here. Plus it's all just standard components nobody's stopping you from buying the same parts from somewhere else.
>>741808114give it time and someone else will spec another SFF steam killer.youtuber jayz two cents is currently working on it in US pricing
>>741808196that's what I'm expecting but the moment they publish a video it'll stop being the steam machine killer because the component prices will surge as usual. It's better to build one before they do if you wanna get a good enough deal.
>>741807950It would be a PC instead of pretending to be one. The gaycube is the worst kind of prebuilt that was built from the ground up to be future E-waste since you can't upgrade it. It took the worst parts of consoles and embraced it. What's the point of the box right now anyway? You can build something similar or even more for something FAR better. I don't see the usecase when shit like >>741806568exists as an alternative.
>>741806568Um actually this is a win for valve.
>>741800540It's a joke like the previous steambox. No surprise, Gabe never learns. Without steam printing free money he would be bankrupt.
>>741801498You literally can't, good storage and RAM are your barriers.
>>741808979
>>741800540Well yeah but the problem is your machine isn't worth the squeeze.
>>741808813
>>741800540I mean, hes right.....I already have a PC that clears the Steamachine, but given that, I don't have the budget for ANOTHER PC
>>741808717The value was supposed to be it was $750 where most of these things would still be $1000+
>>741809013>anon asks for a more powerful pc>give him the exact same gpu and some shitbox tier psuretard.
>>741806568what
>>741809494It is literally more powerful because it's using true desktop components rather than cut-down laptop crap in the Machine. They even put a note telling you the Steam Machine performance was lower.
>muh space Niggas be acting like computers are stuck in the 60s, with them being as huge as a server and shi.If you dont have space in your room to fit a PC in the big '26, you should forget about gaming and find a J O B to buy a bigger house.
>>741809494>give him the exact same gpuActually the normal RX 7600 is considerably more powerful than the Steam Machine, that's a laptop 7600 with some additional cores disabled compared to a laptop
>>741809494It's still more powerful, but obviously they're just trying to match the Machine in that table.It makes no sense to buy a 7600 today.
>>741809581they got a bone to pick
>>741808196Here you go. I was conservative with the part selection because SFF cases are a fucking nightmare to work with and I didn't want to pick anything that doesn't fit. Total is 1337 USD.US Prices.
>>741808196who
Ok, but who at Valve had the brilliant idea of making it SFF? Why not sell a prebuilt standard PC and brand it as Steam Machine?See, this is why I fucking hate Valve. Ever since HL2 they've been obsessed with making everything a gimmick. >HL2: It's a shooter... but with forced physics sections!!>Steam Controller: It's a gamepad... but with touchpads!!>Dota: It's league but uglier and shittier>Artifact: It's a card game... but with 3 tables!!>HLA: It's Half Life 3... but it's not and exclusive VR!>OG Steam Machine: Same story as nowWhy can't these motherfuckers just do something normal?? They would be bathing in money if they sold normal PCs, put a fucking Steam logo on the case and Valve's cum swallowing army would glaze all over it.
>>741810179tech/PC build youtuber with 4m+ subshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40c47ncf9jE
>>741801601>steamcuckies coping because gaben kiked them over>againMassive nigger faggot cultists
>>741810252SFF would've been fine, what they built is even smaller and had far more design fuckery than any SFF build.
>>741810252Why would you want a Valve brand standard prebuilt PC when you have thousands upon thousands of those to choose from at every single price and quality level imaginable? If you paid me enough, I could build you one of those myself.
>>741800540The problem isn’t that it’s $1049The problem is that it’s a waste of $1049
>>741810535>Why would you want a Valve brand standard prebuilt PCNTA but a standard SFF prebuild that's officially sold by Valve with some form of optimization verification would have its uses. Of course it would need to actually be priced competitively (unlike the Steam Machine itself, lol), but I could see the value in it as a means to have benchmark specs for developers to use in optimization targets like the Deck.
>>741806568Honestly this looks pretty goodI don't see why you would chose the Steam Machine over this
>>741801665You don't use PCs with a TV. You use consoles with a TV. PCs are exclusively for monitor use, boredom and work only.
>>741800540>>741800756Samefag
>>741810708He's not asking for a SFF prebuilt, SFF is expensive as fuck. Also the Steam cube already is a SFF prebuilt. And it's expensive as fuck.
An Optiplex with a 6th gen or newer Intel CPU and a 1660 Super will play almost anything.
>>7418109431660 super is not supported anymore.
>>741810913Steam Machine is non-standard for a SFF PC, its custom mainboard doesn't adhere to any size standard.
>>741807491>UE6UE6 is just UE5 + Fortnite Editor
>>741810882I don't?
>>741811024The vast majority of SFF PCs are "non-standard" because making standard components fit into a SFF form factor requires sacrifies the people who like SFF don't usually want.
>>741811000Supported by who?
>>741811116what are you talking about
>>741811150Nvidia.
>>741800540>real gaming PCSomething SM is clearly not LMAO, it's like a 2020 midrange
>>741800540Why would I spend my 'budget' on dogshit obsolete crippled steam machine?
>>741810428And that's the problem, they spent so much time designing a SFF PC (which is cool, don't get me wrong) they got hard fucked by the current market. Who knows how much effort was put into making this cube. It makes it imposible to less at a loss, even they know they should be charging more knowing all the time it took to craft it.>>741810535Because it's a Valve product? To any "gamer" a Valve prebuilt PC would have a much bigger value and people would expect a higher quality standard just because it was made by them and not ibuypower.
>>741800540Obviously, if you just don't have the budget to subsidize the price of hardware, you shouldn't be entering the hardware business. Valve charges the same 30% that Sony, MS and Nin does, they have no excuse to be this poor.
>>741811293It was really important for it to be a cube due to the Talmudic symbolism
>>741811293To Valve it would have 0 value. Because they would be trying to enter an industry with razor thin margins, and to compete with existing offerings they'd have to use really bad components to remain price/performance competitive. At least with meme builds like the Steam Machine they are offering something unique that may find an audience even if the price isn't competitive with the performance being offered by other vendors. Making another shitty low quality pre-built isn't gonna be interesting to anyone. Notice how almost nobody ever talks about pre-builts outside of SFF meme PCs and Apple crap? There's a reason. They are embarrassingly bad and also boring.
>>741804412So what?Valve aren't just hurting other developers but platforms like microsofts by abusing their monopoly to promote Linux as an alternative, you should be glad to support microsoft and any other organisation helping fight against Valves monopoly
>>741810831It's in euros for one thing. Converted to dollars, even the unassembled is more expensive than the base steam machine. It might be a better deal if you live in europe but that's about it.
>>741810535>Why would you want a Valve brand standard prebuilt PC SteamOS, Cool case with Steam logo maybe custom design, It's all about branding. See: Apple.
>>741800709
>>741811583Buy some Dell shitbox with AMD graphics and install SteamOS on it. There you go.
Going with the typical "you're poor" defence huh?
>>741810831The Steam Machine has an LED strip. >>741811553Yeah no shit, the base Machine costs 1049 EUR over here.The relative prices will be the same in the EU and in the USA, if anything you guys usually get much better deals on components so a DIY/prebuilt will be even cheaper than the Machine.
>>741811506>To Valve it would have 0 valueThe value is in spreading SteamOS, that's what this is all about. People playing games on normal PCs are playing on Windows. You think this is all just for fun? Valve wants its own isolated ecosystem, that's where the big money is. Everyone wants to own Android or iOS or Windows. But clearly they're not serious about it because if they were they'd subsidize the machines.
>>741800540Crazy valve has implemented the brokeniggaleave policy.If you broke nigga, then leave.
Same vibes
>>741811761I made the SFF build at US prices >>741810047It's not actually cheaper. Granted there are parts that could be replaced to drive the cost down, but a lot of those replacements would make the PC shit so I don't know if you can get it down to 999 without making the PC REALLY bad.>>741811790Steam works on Windows.
>>741811904If you're not broke, you already have a better PC at home
>>741811790>Valve wants its own isolated ecosystemExplains the investment into that super secret open source baloney I've been hearing about.
>>741811971>Steam works on WindowsThey're only there by the grace of MS, if MS decides to fuck them over to promote their own game shop, they can. We know they've tried before. Everyone wants to own their own closed garden. Once the customers are in it, the ass raping begins, and nobody can stop it anymore. See Apple for reference
>>741810252because valve doesn’t want to directly compete with existing market share where it doesn’t have to, it wants to do what they’ve always done: establish a new holding in a relatively untouched niche and dominate by making a solid product and being the first to have major presence
>>741800540This is just a proof of concept a few whales will bankroll, just like the first steam controller
>>741800709Gabe is really showing his autism colors with this slop.What a fucking joke.
>>741812078It always starts with open source. Embrace, extend, extinguish
>>741811790They're not creating an isolated ecosystem lmao. They simply don't want to depend on Microsoft and their whims. Decoupling PC gaming from Windows benefits everyone. >>741811971Yes you could have chosen different components to better match the price.But even if you didn't this PC is like 1.5-2x the performance of the Machine depending on the game, so it's still better value.
>>741812193Microsoft is struggling to keep 30 year Windows veterans on their OS, I don't think they have adequate competence to run a walled garden store to compete with Valve.
>>741800709thisthey were completely fucked months ago when linus asked if it was priced like a console and they became silent.
>Shit at being a PC>Shit at being a console>Official defense for this "You can't afford good stuff anyway">Pcbro niggercattle stand up and applaudYou guys are no different than Ninteniggers now.Never forget that.
>>741812313The problem with better matching the price is that I suspect they use extremely shit components. I wouldn't want to make a build that I would not even consider buying because it's too trash for me. I did add the component prices up in EU local stores and arrived at 950 EUR, but the parts selection was so bad I wanted to throw up.
>>741812426PCbro niggercattle are posting better builds at similar or lower prices, albeit.
>>741812426In terms of brainwashing tenders still win but steamers are close second. Valve doesn't even make anything of value anymore though, that's what makes it so weird
>>741800540>accidentally admitting the Steam Machine is not a real PClol?
>>741812541at least Nintendo still makes games
>>741800540True but if you can actually afford a better PC then this a total waste of money.It's a piece of hardware only for the most pathetic fanboys. It makes Nintendo pricing look reasonable and you should be ashamed.
>>741800540This astroturfing consensuscracking faggotry is peak jeetbrained. Very malign, very pathetic. And that /v/ keeps falling for it is doubly pathetic
>>741812649*remakes
Why does Valve hate the poor gamers so much?
>>7418125244chan censored what I actually said.PCbro is not what I typed.The mods are niggercattle that wordfilter insults that hurt their feelings.VALVEDRONESwas the intended insultBecause they are robotically loyal and not human
>>741812772I didn't know splatoon raiders is a remake
>>741812249I still use this nigga, it's a trooper of a controller, massive flaws tho.
>>741812802you know you cant use the N word anymore on 4chan, if you wanted to use it you should have gone to other free speech sites like instagram or x.
>>741812802Is pcbro actually a filtered word? Holy yikes if true
>>741812798>$80 indie games and a console that fails as a handheld and as a home console
>>741812843well now you do
>>741812704$1K isn't that much. It's a great way to experience Linux if you have no intention of fucking around with installing an OS yourself without any knowledge of that stuff. The Steam Machine is not intended for /v/ It's not intended for people who are comfortable assembling their own PCsIt's not intended for gamers that live in their desk-chairThe Steam Machine is intended for the hobbyist gamer, the console-leaning gamer and so on. There's no need for us to seethe over something we aren't going to buy like a bunch of redeemjeets
Gabebox was created so that Gabe could give out his free fork of a linux os. It doesnt need to make money. It is to incentives hardware makers to make pre-built machines,a market that didn't exist until now.
>>741800540People generally have the budget for a 2k system if it actually performs the task it was supposed to, a 1k system that cant even play modern games is pointless.
>>741803924my gaming itx with a 9070xt, R7 9700x, 32gb ram, 2tb HDD, 850w PSU cost 1.6k, that was after ram prices started rising in November. I also paid a premium for every part because I was building in a tiny case. I don't know how the you wasted that much money on a normal system unless you blew all your budget on an AI slop card.
>>741813590Prices in November were really cheap compared to now.
>>741800540There is no way someone at valve actually said that, if true that would be insanely dumb
>>741800540They're unironically right though.
>>741813995It's true, though. 1000 USD is the minimum you can spend today to get a decent new gaming PC.You can get an used one or some shit that is on clearance sale for cheaper, but that's about it.
>>7418022541) The Steam Machine's CPU is better (4.2 ghz base clock, newer architecture, pcie 5.0 support)2) Steam machine has an AM5 motherboard and faster DDR5 memory3) Steam machine's SSD is PCIE 5.0 and has a DRAM cache, yours doesn't and will have shitty read/write speeds worse than a SATA drive4) The 5060 is neck and neck with the Steam Machines Radeon 7600 equivalent
>>741814275is the Machine CPU better capped at 30W?
>>741810882>You don't use PCs with a TVI'll use whatever the fuck I want with my TV, faggot.
>radeonLet me laugh even harder. The only reason to be buying a PC now is AI and this can't even do it in any capacity.512GB drive would have been acceptable a decade ago, requiring an additional external obviously. 16GB RAM was not acceptable a decade ago. Dark Souls 3 will not run with that.This is targetted at people stupid enough to buy laptops but is much worse for that purpose.
>>741800540This may be true, but that's not the point. The point is that this shitbox is being outperformed by a console that's half the price, and at that point the whole "it's a PC" shtick is a very weak proposition. Because even if it is a PC, it's a shit PC, and it's also a very shit console, so what's it's raison d'être?
>>741814275>4) The 5060 is neck and neck with the Steam Machines Radeon 7600 equivalentit's not, and even if it was a desktop 5060 wouldn't be power constrained to such a degree while offering better RT/upscaling/FG (as needed)
Gabe wont lower the price, so I cant offer the money. Simple as. Dogshit specs for a so call "standard gaming PC" that can't run any new games coming out for consoles. Get this nasty ass shit out of my face.
>>741814948saar redeem the AI! POWER OF AI!
>>741814948If you wanted AI you'd buy a DGX Spark, poorfag.
There are second hand laptops that are cheaper and more powerful than the GabeCube. Valve should just admit that shit got fucked up and the pricing for it is way too high due to the RAM shortages instead of trying to gaslight people into believing that this is fine.Worst part is that Valve has gathered a cult as fanatical as that of Nintendo's, and no honest critique of a Steam user of Valve will ever be accepted.
>>741814569Yes, for multiple reasons:1) Zen 3 vs Zen 42) 7nm vs 5nm3) DDR4 vs DDR5 memory4) Newer architecture5) superior single-core performanceThe 5600xt could beat it in very specific situations with multi-core processing tasks, but not by much.
>>741800540>>741800950>>741813005>>741814091I can buy a car with $1000, not a joke. Heck i could get a down payment of a car with that money and still pay less than that worthless PC.Car > Worthless PC.
>IF you cant afford our over rice prebuilt, then you cant afford nothing elseMan, these devs love channeling Don Mattrick as of late. Ill be lad when this ignorant "double down" generation of shit western devs is over
>>741815517Not that ValveNexus is the ultimate authority, but their CPU benches show it lagging. And your list doesn't address the Machine's CPU has only 30W to operate. It's Potential CPU.
>>741815885Synthetic which is why I'm posting it second, but little GPU interference.
>>741815694Show me a single car sold new at 1000 USD. I'll give you 4 hours. Or what's this, you're coping with some used beater? You can get a working PC for free from a junk yard. In USA a lot of people dump old PCs in their cars when they junk those.
>>741800540Thats a dumbass fucking argument. Its incredibly underpowered for over $1k and if you are gonna spend 1k on a PC might as well throw a few hundred extra and get an actually decent PC. This piece of shit is 100% pointless at that price. It either needs to be significantly cheaper or if its marketing itself as a premium product then much more powerful. Its expensive and it's shit.
>>741816516its gonna sell out in 10 minutes seethe harder
>>741806568>over double the GPU performance>over 1.2x the CPU score>cheaper, same form factorjesus christ look how they massacred my boy
>>741813935He bought his PC before me. In general there was always a crazy inflation on what a reasonable system would cost when discussing it online. Everyone just assumed you had to buy an 2k nvidia gpu.
>>741800639fpbp
>>741813590>2tb HDD>HDDy
>>741816516It needed to be $550 maximum with the current specs, with either HL3 or $100 giftcard included.If it had say a 9060XT in it for $999 all inclusive with a controller and HL3 or $100 gift card people wouldnt be so upset, but it doesn't.CPU is one thing but that GPU is fucking pitiful. The GPU is 60% of all PC cost, and if its underpowered you can't charge more than what its worth.
>>741800540>if you don't spend a thousand dollars on a product that is already obsolete before it comes out you're le poor
if i'm putting $1k into hardware why the hell would i spent it on this garbage
>>741801204>tranniston
>>741807668sounds to me like you're the one with an asshole full of aids
>>741817024your friend gabe needs the money b
>>741801078The whole concept of a "gaming PC" is just flawed and outdated now, my decade old thinkpad can run every game I've been playing on my main 4k gaming PC. Modern slop is so bad that anything made in past 10 years is a gaming PC now.
>>741800540I can make a cheap pc if I want to play genshin. genshin isn’t on steam. valve lost
is this valve's moment?
>>741811427>they have no excuse to be this poorExcept that they don't have the negotiation power with the likes of Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo.
>>741817840those evil fucking basterd bullying poor valvehow fucking dare there i hate ram manufacturers hey can we get together and send a card full of love to gabe again? maybe some gifts too, we need to brighten up his day we can then harass some ram companies
They should've put in a 9060XT, sold it for $1000 flat with a controller for the 512gb and gave people a steam gift card of $100 on purchase for the first month. Then it would've been a success.The current specs are absolutely pathetic
timmy and sams bots going all out in contiuing this fake outrage. Every normal human knows its AI at fault and you have to nuke every last AI datacenter
>>741818110So according to you, PC component manufacturers can do no wrong and are allowed to do anything with impunity including strong-arming companies and individuals alike like the electronics mafia?You would gladly pay them $1,000+ for a stick of DDR5 when you're replacing it next time?
>>741817126PC lamer writer spotted. You can tell by the fixation of the anus
>>741801204Was, when she was 18
>>741803143sure if you know anything about pc buildingbut a lot of people are too helpless to do anything but drive to microcenter
>>741800540Options:Real Gaming PC that can be upgraded.-or-Valve Shitbox
>>741818981>"We will no longer be fueling the circuses that stop the proles from taking up arms and murdering our families."Bold strategy.
>>741800540
it's gonna be so embarrassing when the next gen consoles come out and they both have a $1200 MSRP (scalpers will of course buy them out to relist them for $1600 like how the PS5 got scalped so hard it became a stillborn machine)
>>741816889It's an nvme, a whole life of calling storage hdd made me forget it means hard disk.
>>741800540>$1000 bucks for a PC that runs games worse than a console is considered good valueyikes
>>741800540GOYS YOU MUST PAY 100 BILLION DOLLARS IF YOU WANT TO PLAY AT 480P UPSCALED AND STILL BE 30 FPS SLOWER THAN THE PS5SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR
>>741800540>WHAT YOU DON'T HAVA A THUSAND TO THROW AWAY FOR A PIECE OF SHIT WEAKER THAN A 400$ PS5 YOU MUST BE POORno it simply means I can make a thousand dollar machine that is stronger than your piece of shit steam cuckhine
