John Carmack and Notch are linking up. Do you think they have one last masterpiece left in them?
>>741818038Yeah, Ai gay porn
>>741818038>Notch could singlehandedly resurrect PCVR with CarmackInstead he'll just waste that billion on nonsense
>>741818038When the idea guy meets the idea tech guy
>>741818038He's right though, the exact same people bitching about AI and data centers are the same people who whine "why don't we still build nuclear plants!?!?"
>>741818038Taking Zuck's cock really changed him
>>741818038Carmack is mixing up being against data centers with being against the negative effects of data centers. Increased water and electricity costs and sound pollution for the locals
>>741818038neither of these people make games anymore so I don't care about their opinions
>>741818672Maybe if people weren't against nuclear then power wouldn't be a problem.Also>waterlol, lmao even
I support AI data centers everywhere just for the fact everyone is so against them.
>>741819079let me bang your wife. all your friends will tell you this is a bad idea, but let me do it anyway.
Why don't they just build the fucking data centers far away from people where water is more plentiful? Maybe if corpos didn't deliberately antagonize people using paid-off politicians that refuse to protect anything if their life depends on it, it could change the way people feel about the slop dumbing down the children.
>>741819190>wife>friendslollmao even
>>741819204Cool it with the antisemitism
>>741819204Build infrastructure instead of abusing what is already there? LAUGHABLE
>>741818486>thing that powers your homevs>thing that's advertised as stealing your job and proven to make you retarded they aren't the same people either
>>741818038>millions of people and organizations are getting great returns from using itI'm not seeing this at all, and I'm in the industry. The overwhelming majority of the time, the pattern I see is that a CFO sees enough ads and social media hype that he decides to "do AI", and then afterwards there is severe sticker shock and disappointment at what it can and can't do. Even companies like Amazon with a huge vested interest in it are publicly talking about how it isn't really delivering. We've had these tools for a while now, and at a hugely subsidized cost even, so where's all the cool new software? Which companies are getting rich not by fueling the AI bubble at a hardware level, but by using AI and enjoying all these 'great returns'? I haven't seen it yet.
>>741819204porky wants to save money at all times. especially since all this AI shit is not profitable unless you're the one sellling the chips!
>>741819584Learn carpentry.
>>741819584Don't forget it also spikes your power bills, ruins your property values, and puts out health-harming levels of noise pollution.Rather live in the actual exclusion zone. You'd die slower. There's babushkas there who just simply refused to leave RIGHT NOW.
>>741820295the land of the free...
>>741818207
>>741819204The only people responsible for a child are its parents, if a child is dumb it’s the parents faultAI cannot make a child dumb, only a parent or guardian can do that
>>741820295No one cares you hysterical NIMBY boomer.
>>741820802Naive
>>741820802And corporate-controlled governments that purposely impact education for the worse, don't forget that!
>>741821223the same ones pushing ai into education?
>>741818038>great returns>every single AI company operates at a loss and if it weren't for investment banking and IOU's, all of them would have been deadCarmack knows nothing about anything other than coding and he should stick to it.
>>741818038>millions of people and organizations are getting great returnsare these organizations in the room with us right now?
>>741821346>>741821374If there were no great returns the market wouldn't push so hard for the creation of data centers.
>>741821483The great returns are on the part of hardware manufacturers and the big three clouds, and that's who is pushing for it, mostly using infinite free public money and round-trip financing. Actual real life demand from end-users is primarily driven by artificially low prices and hype, both of which are beginning to wither.
>>741821319and filling ever-increasing amounts of spaces with ads they control, yes.
>>741821595>both of which are beginning to wither.Beginning? From where I sit it looks more like it's in its death throes. GPT throttling the fuck out of you, even if you're a paying customer, exorbitant price increases that still don't cover their costs leading to companies rate limiting their employees and a general realisation that AI isn't yet producing productive work, it's just spitting out make work. Slop, you might say.
Need it or keep it?
>>741821483>t. just learned about free market economicsfree markets dont usually involve billions of dollars in government handouts, stay in school zoomer
>>741819587That is because your company buys into hype instead of actually looking at what AI can do. And then gets upset about it. Regardless of your industry, AI and machine learning are capable of some function. Even for a blue collar worker using a simple AI to fill in their work logs has an ROI in the form of more consistent data collection and less worker time spent on paperwork(one of the lowest value tasks a human worker can perform).
>>741821483Yeah, if dot com were a bubble, the market wouldn't get that large!
>HOW TO DELET MINECRAFT
>>741822275>Even for a blue collar worker using a simple AI to fill in their work logs has an ROI in the form of more consistent data collection and less worker time spent on paperwork(one of the lowest value tasks a human worker can perform).This should be automated without AI, otherwise you do NOT have the consistency you desire, you have errors waiting to happen.
>>741818858fusion power soon, anon. Trust the plan.
>>741822275>your company buys into hypeNo, we implement things for companies buying into the hype.>Even for a blue collar worker using a simple AI to fill in their work logs has an ROI No, it doesn't. You're acting like AI use is free, or that the cost won't dramatically increase in the near future, and you're ignoring the cost of rework. The best AI systems in the world often spit out garbage outputs. What's worse is that they're non-deterministic, and so the exact same worker supplying the exact same input may get a wildly different output from one day to the next, which you can't really build a serious professional process around.The best use cases for AI aren't that valuable, and nobody would pay true cost for them, and the things they would pay for AI isn't capable of and probably never will be. Even the name "AI" is a misnomer, purposefully used to evoke a Hollywood image of what it can do, inevitably leading to disappointment.
>>741822275yes AI is a tool that can improve efficiency, but that doesn't make it worth the cost. If Excel had to be sold for 10 million per desk for MS to break even on its cost, nobody would buy it. Thats what AI is, but its being pushed by hype and subsidies
People don't understand that these data centres are only going to be up for a short period of time.Data centres are primarily for training models. Once those models are trained, they use significantly less power to use. That's why they're going full steam ahead despite people getting more and more pissed off. They know that it's not sustainable, but that's not the point. They want the models trained, that's it.
>>741823195The data centers are for storing data on citizens.
>>741823195Anon, once infrastructure is built at great cost, it is unlikely to be abandoned. It will continue as a service that will operate in much the same manner as the infrastructure was originally meant for.
>>741818038this man literally worked for facebookhis opinions after the 90s are worthlessin fact, it wouldn't be wrong to write him off as a 'retard who happens to be a decent programmer' altogether and not much would be missing if his name got relegated to a footnote of video game history
>>741823195>THIS time for real, not lying this time btw, the evil people with no one's interests at heart will only temporarily commit evil, just a quick short-term stopgap measure nothing to worry about, unlike the last 60 times we said this
>>741818038RESETERAS GONNA FREAK!
>>741818486>one increases the cost of electricity, and thus the cost of any commercial good produced with electricity (all of them)>the other decreases the cost of electricity, and thus the cost of any commercial good produced with electricity (all of them)it's a real thinker isn't it
>>741818038Poor Carmack keeps thinking he lives in a sci-fi world. Quake, Oculus, AI, he keeps thinking he's building the future but it'll never happen.
>>741824286Umm false because AI is the new steam engine okay?
>>741818038Carmack jumping from VR to AI just tells me he's another out of touch boomer scrambling to be relevant.
>>741823785No they're not. You don't need a million GPU's to store data. They are for training models. That's it. Do you guys understand how AI works or what? The majority of the work is from training models.
>>741825039Bro you aren't better than him, you believe a corporation with multiple acres of hardware and a blank check for the entire power grid and water supply of a town is just going to give it back to them at the end of a project.
>>741825451They legit believe it brings jobs and money to communities that allow one. It's how they sell local councils on permitting it.Doesn't matter if those jobs technically only exist during the construction phase, and most of the money goes outside the community to out-of-state contractors. It'll be good for them in the end!
>>741818038Keep it.
>Carmack forgetting that we almost had our own Chernobyl with Three Mile Island
>>741819204Datacenters need to be in populated locations to deliver data fastest, it doesnt even need water.
>>741818038They are both nigger retards. The only reason they should link up is to kill themselves on live stream.
>>741819204These niggers should be legislated into using ocean water only. Let them eat the cost of salinated wear and tear or whatever. Surely science can fucking solve salt water in pipes if we set up the incentives for capital to puraue that venue...
>>741818038>John CarmackWas that the guy who went to Meta to build the Metaverse and just basically jacked off for 5 years doing nothing with a budget that was tens of billions of dollars?
>>741825451Yes that's how it works? Capitalism and corporations have always benefited society and improved things.
>>741827389This. Why are white people so obsessed with improving things and building things for the future? Blacks are the ones building communities that matter without all this tech bullshit.
>>741821483lollmao even
>>741818038You now remember that Carmack googled how to wipe a hard-drive and got caught trying to destroy evidence.
>>741827854>wipe a hard-drivewhat do you mean like with a cloth or something?
>>741818445So Romero and Carmack 2?
>>741818038They will not program. They will hire Indians. Go figure.
>>741818038I lost all respect for Carmack when he made RAGE with the piss poor MEGA TEXTURES that had awful optimization and ran like absolute shit, and then refused to do anything about it. That was when I knew he had become retarded and lazy, and that was all the way back in 2011 or 2012.
>>741824286But chuddie with AI we can have personalized pricing for every customer so that will make things cheaper (for immigrants not you since you'll pay more to subsidize it all)
>>741821483the rich just hyperstititon profit. It's not about selling something with worth but spending money to convince people that they need to buy junk. This time around they've been pushing to hard and the mud pies are too muddy, people are starting to notice the stink.
>>741829042Carmack and Romero are two halves to a better whole, Romero was definitely the spirit of the game while Carmack was the body. One cannot function without the other.
>>741818038When trillion dollar corporations tell me ChatGPT is as smart as a neurosurgeon and it tells me "The Ancient Dragon is the final boss of Dark Souls 2 DLC Crown of the Sunken King", I'm gonna call out AI for being a waste of money and retarded>BUT IT DOESNT DO THAT....NOW! And it still can't tell me how many Rs are in raspberry
>>741825451>just going to give it back to them at the end of a project.They either provide a productive service and make money or they go out of business.
>>741818038Boomers and xoomers got one shot by AI. They're even more brain rotted than the kids.
>>741818858build some desalination plants
>>741820808i feel "NIMBY" is not appropriate for something that harms literally everyone and everything just by existing
>>741829042And then redditors will say "actually mega-textures are like, a really good idea" as you stare at a 100x100 blurry ass skybox and cardboard buildings
>>741818038The problem is Carmack sees AI as, effectively, a more user friendly reference and search tool. It increases the productivity of him and those like him. What he doesn't see is all the instances where it is not used like that, and is instead used as if it is actually intelligent and can replace a person; he doesn't see Microsoft vibe coding, and how it actually results in less productivity, or the now thousands of businesses who have seen negative productivity by adopting AI for even, what should be, simple tasks like summarizing documents.And we don't need massive data centers for making a more user friendly reference and search tool. We can just repurpose existing data centers and properly focus model training for that.
>>741830604Please think more than one step forward. If they don't have a use for it, it goes to the NEXT billion dollar corporation who does. Under no circumstances does it go back to the town or people who live there.
>>741829042the post here describing him as "ideas tech guy" is accurate, carmack is basically working from around his own erect cock wobbling around in his face and he'll pursue ideas that are utterly horrible and refuse to give up on them because of how novel he thinks they areit's really funny doom eternal looks way better and more vibrant than doom 2016 in part because it gave up the whole megatexture shebang
>>741829042Carmack has only a string of failures under his belt since RAGE>VR>Rocketsthey're fun toys, but that's all they are
>>741830834In carmacks defense, AI is super helpful for troubleshooting and writing code if you can tell when it is and isnt hallucinating.A point against carmack though is that I'm pretty sure like 90% of the internet has been deleted and search engines have completely gutted all their algorithms in hopes AI will save them
>>741830834carmack's problem is he'll also deliberately ignore that he's surrounded by bad actors because it lets him live in his tech candyland to do so, and he's something of a bad actor himself since he's one of those that will brush "AI hallucinations" under the rug and not acknowledge it happens
>>741830486One bad answer does not make the tool useless. It means it is not infallible, just like people and search engines are not infallible. The real test is whether it is useful across writing, coding, summarizing, brainstorming, and problem-solving.And there are 3 Rs in raspberry.
>>741830929google was cucking search listings long before AI. they also dick suck reddit with a contract to specifically put them as the first result which is why the AI for search terms or questions is even more retarded
>>741831038perhaps AI companies should be held legally accountable for presenting their tools as infallible and trying to equate them to people when they are neither of those thingsgermany beginning to hold google legally accountable for the gibberish that its AI outputs is a good start
>>741830858And then that billion dollar corporation either provides a productive service and makes money or they go out of business.
>>741831203nah the billion dollar corporation keeps getting a long string of government bail-outs after repeatedly failing and never makes money just like american autos and AI
>>741830804please understand the majority of ai shills are either pajeets or third worlders, either way they cant even conjure an argument without using a gimped ai model
Burgers are prideful narcissists who fears that AI would erode their self worth. And would rather see AI banned than regulated.
>>741831329one of our biggest shills for AI in burgerland is donald trump who is a pedophile with dementia and is also the president
>>741831329I'm pretty sure the US economy is propped up by false promises of AI. Part of me wants to pull out, the other part of me says NOTHING EVER HAPPENS, and a third part of me says "eh, even if my investments turn to dust, so do everyone else's"
>>741831112That is an argument for accountability, not a proof that AI is useless. AI companies should not market these systems as infallible or human, and courts are already testing who is responsible when AI-generated output is wrong: Reuters reported that a Munich court held Google liable for false claims in AI Overviews, and Google said it would appeal. But one bad output does not make the whole tool a waste; it means it needs clearer claims, tighter guardrails, and human review where accuracy matters.
>>741831264Then we are in agreement that the government is the problem and not AI. The guy
>>741831493no i do think that AI is bad and the government enabling AI is not helping matters
>>741831523>no i do think that AI is badWhy?
>>741818038Hmm yes, turn everything into datacenters so I can generate even more porn.
>>741819204Water usage is not a significant problem with data centers, albeit electricity use is >but if you are measuring industrial water usage in liters or gallons you are obfuscating to the point of lying by omission
>>741819204conservatives literally have zero foresight
>>741831579Nta but at my wife's work a guy almost died because their new AI referral system booked a guy 3 months out for a headache.....he had a stroke and TIAs, as was evident in the paper the AI skimmed
>>741831579because it's complete fucking dog shit for everything it does, forced adoption of it in the corporate sphere isn't working, it's disgustingly expensive to use, it's destroyed the storage and RAM markets, i would be better served by learning to sort and organize on my own than abdicating that skill to an AI (this kind of clerical work was and still is a job in places that aren't horny to replace human labor with magic), LLMs have fifty billion tells that your coworker couldn't be bothered to write a three paragraph memo and let a machine do it, the tech's biggest pushers are the big names from the cryptocurrency and NFT scam markets, sam altman rapes his sister, and the way AI companies and their shills alike get pushy about using the technology, seems like they're trying to get a cheeky rape in on me too because those sycophants and asswipes won't take no for an answer
>>741831773So what did Bezos mean by people's consumption of water hampering data centers?
>>741818038>good goy shilling for his masters>Texaschecks outno better than the jeets now infesting 'his' state
>>741831832uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh da dadatenders don need no wadur
>>741831427>I'm pretty sure the US economy is propped up by false promises of AIIt is. Pic related and site related.https://isaiprofitable.com/
>>741818038>ai blah blah blahDamn carmack became a dumb nigger.I thought we didn't need story?
>>741818038leftists don't like ai so I do like itsimple asdie vaxxies
>>741824286sorelax nuke regs and get those data centers growing with their own plantstwo birds with one stone.
>>741818038Carmack's track record of backing the wrong horse continues unabated.
>>741832280>Jeets and Mexicans in charge of Nuclear powerplantsI would rather have a n IRL Homer Simpson work them. The entire US would be a wasteland in a few months from some college milled H1-B jeet looking at tikthots while the reactor is overheating.
>>741832320for such a talented guy it's funny that his legacy is still doom because he *will not stop* betting on the wrong horse
>>741831790>it's disgustingly expensive to useIt's extremely cheap to use.
>>741832552no, it isn't. you don't pay for tokens if you believe this.
>>741832451then it is a race to the bottomas if AI won't be replacing every entry level laborer on up with each generation iteration
>>741832646what entry level work do people seriously expect AI to be taking over?
>>741830979Doesn't Carmack work for Facebook now? It's a big part of why he's compromised, all the big tech firms are all in on AI slop because they believe it's their last big 100x growth opportunity and nobody wants to be left standing when the big game of musical chairs stops.
>>741832593I run locally
>>741832701yeah carmack's own personal growth is he'll try his hardest to ignore that he's chosen to surround himself with scum if it lets him play around with cutting-edge gimmick stuffnotoriously he has ZERO compass for what's actually going to take off in the future
>>741822382how come he always says "on there"
>>741832457I'm half tempted to make a reaper opening doors meme of him.
>>741832320I don't think its the wrong horse, there are several arguments here used to cover up the fact nobody wants to live near a data center and the only reason they raping people is because they can pay the politicians off and nobody can stop them.
>>741832774Yeah, it sucks. All the big silicon valley firms are rotten to the core in this AI bullshit and Carmack is being willingly complacent if he still chooses to work there and parrot their propaganda.
>>741818038>based on vibesBased on rising electric costs and real estate values, people losing their jobs to slop, "work" quality turning to slop that we now have to deal with, and entertainment/art being completely undermined by slop. Nuclear was a massive disinformation campaign by vested interests. Anti-AI/Data centers is people not wanting the shit that vested interests are pushing on us. I like John Carmack but the nigga isn't immune to saying some dumb ass shit.
>>741832981>its not the wrong horse>says only negative things about the horsePlz construct a better defense of the horse.
>>741818038AI hasn't produced anything of value and it has been under development since the 60s, I actually wonder how many unimaginable billions of billions of taxpayer money it has consumed even before coming out in the public eye, if it was profitable it wouldn't require government funds.
data centers take water from the public infrastructucture, poison it with coolant, warm it up and then dump it in sewage. they cause noise pollution which disturbs local wildlife. the generated heat and drought also erodes the nature around them. but we should ignore all of this because now we can create a video of will smith eating spaghetti out of thin air.
>>741833194Would you even give a shit about the horse if it wasn't actively raping people via driving them out of pre-existing infrastructure and ruining the area its being shit out in?Would you even notice if they were just all built in bumfuck rural alaska?Probably not.
>>741818038it really is a second "nuclear is spooky :( :(" isn't it
>>741833264>would you even notice your electricity bill going up for something that doesn't benefit you in any way?Yes.
>>741833264>what if the horse didn't do everything bad that it's known for would you like it thenwhat if the earth was made of pudding
>>741833264alaskans would notice it. life outside big cities shouldnt be reduced into being venture capital rapemeat.
>>741819204what and not have it tax payer funded??
makes Doom but with Voxels so the entire game map becomes destructible
>>741833685Its hilarious that Larry Fink said drone terrorist attacks on data centers is an opportunity to make money. Like yeah we're just gonna have random people attacking these locations and that's fine, we can even profit off giving the data centers security lol.
>>741833919broken glass fallacy but with computers, wew lad
>>741831790>forced adoption of it in the corporate sphere isn't workingI work for a massive fortune 500 company. They're all tech retarded over there, I swear we employ about 100 programmers across the company, it isn't nearly enough to handle the needs of a modern company of this size and it ends with us basically still running on paper in 2026. Seeing it as a once-programmer, it is fucking insane the shit we do manually that a script could handle. And our tech team is so under water that easily fixable glitches that cost us $100,000s a week aren't seen as high priority. I'm not sure the exact reasons but it's obvious the execs are trying to cope with AI (or prepare for it) because they've been wreaking havoc on all of our tech applications and teams. Massive cuts for things that literally can't be replaced by AI. It's driving me insane because I'm realizing that even if your company isn't replacing things with AI, those things will still be impacted or cut, because financial reports and forecasts compared against an AI company will make it seem like you're spending fuckloads too much on your tech. I'm watching this company that never figured out how a computer works, start to gut their tech capacity, because some other guys did it when they replaced it all with a fucking slightly-smarter chatbot. This shit is going to Dotcom 2.0 America back to the 1840s.
>>741832697literally everythingconvergence of machine learning and robotics is happening now.We're less than 5 years from general purpose automotons. Even contrarian shut-ins are not seeing the writing on the wall. They see some cute androids stumbling around and forget Will Smith eating Spaghetti 'test' began barely more than 3, fucking 3, years ago, and think AI hasn't meaningfully improved.Robotics is in the exact same situation. Meanwhile you are seeing the immediate end of software engineers. Software, this year, has been democratized, little different from image gen.The only reason this train is going to be slowed is how severely disruptive it is. Namely, people like you don't already realize what can be done and aren't simply using it. Same applies to me. It takes a while to learn we simply do NOT need to do a lot of things ourselves.
Carmack is an idiot savant.It's a huge mistake to listen to these people on anything other than the one thing they are good at.
>>741818038
>>741832280either data center builders need to be more carefuly about their noise and air pollution or they can fuck off until people get their local laws in order
>>741834040The underlying logic is pretty much what US economy is running on at this point.
>>741830787>They're even more brain rotted than the kids.Not even close
>>741834791You tell me what's worse, Cocomelon or a chatbot that can act as the ultimate sychophant.
>>741819204>where water is more plentifulIf we placed the data center in a hypothetical flotilla in the sky with a magical straw down to some spot on the ground to take up all the resources it needs, water is already a highly-managed resource. Reservoirs are engineered and maintained to accommodate natural runoff and needs of the users. There really isn't anywhere you can just double the water usage of a body of water without it impacting the other users particularly in the short term without extensive infrastructure investment, which means higher taxes because our government is fucked and would rather have the business there than make them pay for it themselves.And that's just water usage. The energy source would still be impacted, increasing costs for everyone on that grid. As you eat up a resource you increase demand, increasing price on the supply/demand equilibrium. Massive energy and hydro sinks can't just be slammed into any ecosystem without affecting the economy, no matter how remote. And the more remote, the more radically it's affected.
>>741835001you are a dumb nigger faggot using strawman arguments
>>741818038>Millions of people and organizations are getting great returns from using itName 1 that isn't apart of the snake eating it's own tail?
>>741834952iPad babies got a double dose of both
>>741818486No, they aren't. Because I don't think we should build nuclear either.>We should badly manage this dangerous things because line has to go up for investors in energy generation so you'll take a monthly Three Mile Island or Chernobyl and fucking like it.t. Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged.Similar to Carmack and AI. Now that VR's fad has well and truly ended, he's chasing the next snake oil instead of making the fucking Quake 5 engine he was born to build.
>>741834157Yeah we saw cute androids stumbling around 15 years ago too.
>>741832701>Doesn't Carmack work for Facebook now? It's a big part of why he's compromisedOcculus/division of Facebook, but yeah: As soon as he left iD to chase the VR dragon he's been a has-been.
>>741833116My boss literally asked ChatGypsy today at work to make a fucking print out list. A FUCKING PRINT OUT LIST for putting computers under when done.A fucking five second opening of MS word and typing "put finished PC's here so we can flag them to be put in the system" would've been faster than the hallucinating if/else machine's output (that he STILL had to manually add shit to after the fact).I like him (mostly because he's hot) but Christ, I really do need AI dudes to use their goddamn brains more.
>Billion-dollar incentives>Billion-dollar tax breaks>Billion-dollar subsidies>Your bills go up across the boardPAY UP GOYIM
>>741835551but conservatives won, so america is being made great again. jobs are everywhere, housing is affordable, and food is cheaper than ever.
>>741835604You misspelled Israel
>>741835381I never understood this defeatist "we can't do things right here" attitude in regard to nuclear power. I wouldn't be surprised if it were manufactured by the big coal.
>>741818038>THEY ARE AWESOME>okay let's build one near you>NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THATWhat a bitch.
>>741835535Anon watched a man generate a document and imagined throating him to the hilt and getting his bussy filled up.
>>741835180Do you think "strawman" is relevant because I said the word "straw" in my post?
>>741818038finna need it
>>74183539815 years ago neural net machine learning was a laughable pipe dreamYou're pointing to Google's 'image generation with dogs only' to diffusionone when fucking nowhere for more than a decade. The other completely dominated any booru that doesn't explicitly prohibit AI gensyou are exactly the person I am talking about not seeing the writing on the wallyou think you understand the situation, because you fail to understand how irrationally fast one simple trick has made, and by all metrics appears it will continue to make.
once this bill goes through everyone will finally SHUT THE FUCK UP about power usage, thank god. and I can continue to be pro-ai and antis no longer have any leg to stand on and can fuck off.
>>741835661It drives me up the fucking wall. The American south is full of this retarded mindset and its exactly why its such a shithole
>>741818038I'm sure if we just build another 22000 datacenters suddenly the AI industry will stop being a complete financial black hole
>>741836101Just $200 billion more in grants bro trust me just remove any remaining regulations and "we win" trust me
>>741818038Carmack backing a technology is like Cramer backing a stock. The guy has has built 0 legacy outside of Doom despite the 30 fucking invening years because he makes the wrong bet on every single technology
The guy is right however this is off-topic as fuck.
>>741821483The "market" only pushes for AI because 6 years ago OpenAI promised all those CEOs that they would one day be able to fire every single person they're paying and replacement them with AI if they just KEEP GIVING MORE MONEY, EVENTUALLY IT'LL HAPPEN
>>741836101They should surround cities with data centers to box in the goyim.
>>741821595>The great returns are on the part of hardware manufacturers and the big three cloudsThey aren't though. Of the 7 largest players in the AI business, the only companies with a profit solely from their AI related sectors are Nvidia and Amazon. Nvidia because they're the shovel sellers in the gold rush bubble and Amazon simply because they've been very conservative with AI spending compared to Microsoft and Google, so they just happen to not be miles into the red.
>>741836092south is also full of hurricanes.
>>741818486Wait why shouldn't we build nuclear?
>>741818038They aren't linking up. Notch is smart enough to realize environmental impact matters, Carmack doesn't care at all about the planet or other human beings.
>>741835661Because there's always some cunts in management who are looking to cut corners to save a buck or two and when it comes to shit that can have long term ecological impact, that's a very dangerous thing.
>>741822275>That is because your company buys into hype instead of actually looking at what AI can dothat's the business model of AI, yesit's the fucking Music Man of corporate America>shareholders demands AI because "it's a revolution!">CEO forces the company to reinvent the wheel with AI because "it's inevitable">company loses its shit when it realizes how much it's spending on tokens because employees are doing what they're told>company starts gutting itself to keep paying for AI because it just has to work!
>>741836064This is one of those utterly worthless feel good bills that don't work in reality. Industrial purchases of power will always get cut rate prices from utilities, it's been like this from the start, long long LONG before AI existed. Those cut rates will ALWAYS come on the back of residential users paying increased prices to upgrade and maintain for the higher grid load. Even if you somehow (won't happen) forced companies to pay equal price for power as a residential user, they'd still be causing the needs for massive upgrades and maintenance changes which would get equally cast onto the residentially user and the datacenter. Always roads lead to families paying way more for powerThe only way energy cost offsets will ever work is a legal mandate that the data center must locally GENERATE it's own power, removing the local grid and utility services from the equation entirely, full stop. However that itself is a slippery slope on par with a shit coated waterslide. That will lead to companies polluting residential areas at 1930s tier smog with gas generators or just massive soil contamination when they inevitably cut corners on their building and maintaining solar arrays, etc. Which means you'd also need to sequester datacenters away from population centers as well to actually maintain a system where a datacenter can't worsen the lives of local residents in some way.
>>741818038need it or keep it?
>>741836517what did the chud horse do?
>>741831783Silicon valley is conservative now?
>>741835381>Because I don't think we should build nuclear either.Why not? There's really no good logical reason we don't go all in on Nuclear apart from cost of building the facilities, which would pay themselves back. The gubma doesn't want to build facilities because A) they take so long to build properly that you'll never see vote results from the product you invested in and B) you're fighting against fossil fuel propaganda, who will probably buy you out before you go to bat against them.>We should badly manageThe US is currently operating 57 nuclear power plants and we haven't built many since three mile island, when the anti-nuclear campaign took root at home and the nuclear movement slowed to a crawl. 0 people died of acute reaction, I don't want to diminish the people who died from extenuating health effects but this wasn't Chernobyl, and this was a by-definition isolated event. Three mile island is our /one/ major nuclear power incident since 1979, with those 57 plants running consistently since that time. We've run nuclear at 57 sites for 47 years without major incident since then.
>>741831427>I'm pretty sure the US economy is propped up by false promises of AI.The entire US economy for the past 2 years has been the same fantasy money growth as always but turned up to 11 and being more openly audacious than ever.Literally, Nvidia takes a stack of $10B and hands it to OpenAI saying "With this investment, we securing the growth of AI services". OpenAI's stock explodes 20% overnight because of this, then OpenAI turns around and hands the $10B money stack back to Nvidia and says "With this investment, we are ensuring future hardware develop and sales for our datacenters that will totally exist by then". Nvidia's stock then explodes up 20% overnight because of this.Now both companies just increased their market value by like $80B while neither actually spent or earned a single dime in the process, they just temporarily held a single money stack before returning it to its starting point. Now add in Oracle, Amazon, Google, xAI, AMD, Intel and Anthropic into this incestuous web of fake investment and procurement and you have a trillion dollars being generated out of thin air every month while everyone company stays where it started with nothing to show other than the stock gains.
>>741837142Yeah because it doesn't really matter to them, welcome to corporatism.
>>741836101If it wasn’t for AI we would have entered a full on recession in 2022. Over 90% of economic growth has been in just in data centers alone since last year.
>>741837348And that's also why the bubble won't pop any time soon, the collapse is going to be generational, worse than 2008, or 2000 or 1970s by a fucking MILE so the government and everyone involved is going to keep this fucking disaster being fed every penny of money, every word of promises and every line of laws written by congress to keep it going, which ironically just makes the inevitable burst WAY worse as the can kicks down the road over and over and over.It's also why it's so fucking annoying to watch naive morons sitting there going "I can't wait until you this all pops, then I'll finally be able to upgrade my PC!". Nigger you'll be lucky to have a roof over your fucking head if you work in any non-100% mandatory position in an economic collapse of this scale.
>>741837142Silicon valley techbros have always been libertarian. They don't care if people are gay or trans or love guns or drugs or tradliving, they just want to make huge gobs of cash and feel like they're living the precursor to star trek. They will condescend to you if you're Christian though which is pretty funny.
>>741837142Highly. Don't conflate modern silicon valey with classic California values.
>>741818038Based Carmack
>>741824047Seriously, Carmack is literally one of the guys who tried to make metaverse a thingHe's a programmer not a visionary
>>741837142>durrr are the corporations who are currently rimming the assholes of every conservative israeli and boomer in power also conservative?>with both sides getting exactly what they want from it too?golly gee i don't fucking know
>>741820107Let's have 2 million people also learn carpentry because they all got laid off from their office jobs, that will surely be a great thing for the carpentry market
>>741818038The Industrial Revolution was also a mistake. Ted was right.
>>741818486But that's wrong, the same people bitching about building data centers (that is, they don't want them built) generally are the same luddite retards who hate nuclear based entirely on vibes.
>>741820107won't matterrobotics are coming for everything before anyone could realistically learnthere is no getting out of this hole short of a sovereign wealth fund in AIunless meat bags can merely survive on the productivity of automation we're fuckedand we're probably fucked either way because you can guess whom will outbreed who in such an environment.
>>741838383witnessed novel triplesalso the best post in this thread
I used to operate a nuclear power plant and now I design the networking chips that is enhancing AI training and inference speeds
>>741831773Fucktard, do you think data centers are using gray water or fucking sewage water to cool the centers? No, they're using potable drinking water for which there is a hard limit to the amount a township has the capacity to purify every day. That water that gets used generally comes out as gray water and thus cannot be reused.As such when half the townships water production gets dumped into running AI help desk agents and fucking automated YouTube comment bots, this drives the cost of water up because now there is an additional burden placed on the treatment plant. More purification chemicals need to be ordered, filters wear out faster, the amount of available water decreases, and the cost of water goes up.Christ, the sound polution these things make alone is fucking maddening. The fans sound like being 10 feet from the highway, at peak traffic, at all hours, and the air pressure they create feels like standing on a tarmac as a 737's afterburners are kicking in. Its fucking miserable, and is enough to turn the most placated goyttle into Ted Kazynski.
>>741840041>using open loop cooling
>>741840041Fucktard, do you think data centers are pouring tap water in some cooling pipes and pouring it straight out the other end into the sewer?Explain how you ACTUALLY believe data centers are using water.
>>741840079Too expensive. We'll ask goyim to shower 1 time per week instead
>>741840232do you know what graywater is anon
>>741838531It's making their electricity more expensive and the tools behind it are shoddy enough for them to be arrested on false charges. How on earth is that vibe based?If anything, it's the opposite. Rich dudes like Carmack can afford to be optimistic about data centers in a shitty economy and be insulated from its consequences, but laymen can't.https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-center-power-demands-are-contributing-to-higher-energy-billshttps://www.wusf.org/courts-law/2026-06-18/ai-facial-recognition-tool-led-to-florida-man-wrongful-arrest-lawsuit
>>741818486Power directly benefits you or at least your state or larger local area. Data centers may benefit your area for tertiary reasons but they're built for the global market and you're the one tanking any negative effects that come from the infrastructure. A Bangladeshi generating slop code on the other side of the planet gets all the benefit, the money from his subscription goes to the massive corporation, and you get some table scraps like some jobs in your area. Due to the nature of how they work, it's not the same as say opening up a Wal-Mart. At least you can go shop at a Wal-Mart and they'll pave some sidewalk in your neighborhood.
>>741821483>surely the elected government officials must act in the best interest of the public if they intend to stay in power-ass post
>>741840750Given Carmacs intellect, I assume hes aware. He just doesnt care.
>>741841347Carmack has always been a little psycho autist. Smart as fuck, but 0 regard for life.
>>741837142Yes, you've been lied to by grifters if you thought otherwise.
So uhWhy do we need ai ? To write some email ?
>>741843847Make porn and cure breast cancer.And make porn of breast cancer.
>>741840232>data centers are pouring tap water in some cooling pipes and pouring it straight out the other end into the seweryou forgot to mention the part where they add heat transfering solutions into the water and thus poison it.
