>The thing with this industry is, no one actually needs what it produces. If what we were making was absolutely essential in order to live, then the consumer wouldn't complain about price or supply, because he'd be in big trouble if he ran out. On the other hand, we produce entertainment -- and there's a million other kinds of entertainment out there. If the game industry went away, it's not like people would keel over and die on the street. If it came to pass that people started saying "These games are all stupid, I gotta stop playing them all the time", then what do you think would happen? You don't need games to live, after all, so the market could fall right out. It could even shrink to a tenth of what it was.If you don't think charging $100 won't be the downfall of this industry then you're a fucking retard.
>>741824358it wont because there are more useful idiots now than back then when it was a somewhat niche hobby.Normalfags are going to standardize $80 and $100 by next year.
Old slop was $80-$120 retard
>>741824358No, retarded cattle will absolutely pay these prices, but parents or average players won't be able to keep up in this shit economy. That's what does the bloodsucking faggots in.
>>741824358This guy was so based he put Iwata in charge instead of his nepo baby.
>>741824358>If what we were making was absolutely essential in order to live, then the consumer wouldn't complain about pricewhat
>>741824358>then the consumer wouldn't complain about price or supplywhat insanity is this?
This is still the funniest thing he ever said.
>>741824358This man realized he employed hundreds of people that wanted to feed their families right
>>741824965This is Australian isn't it
>>741824358Almost everything this guy said was great.
>>741824358Carts were hella expensive in the NES, Genesis and SNES days. the standardized $50 price tag with PSX was the advantage of putting games on CDs.
>>741826132canadian if i recall correctly
>>741824358gta6 will sell billions
>>741825696desu the way it usually goes in this industry is that a game's performance is largely based on how good the previous title is. so i don't think gta6 will flop unless they try charging $130 for it or some other crazy shit like that. but if it is a pile of crap and people buy it anyway, then it may end up crashing the industry
>>741824358I think you mixed up your negatives there mate.
>>741824358Moron, I WANT the industry to collapse! Total publisher death!
>>741826032He also called Itoi a genius, this was just him raging about Squaresoft betraying them for Sony.
>>741824358>If the game industry went away, it's not like people would keel over and die on the street.This is what I've been saying for a while now: the industry wants to charge $80+ for games, even though you need a $3K computer just to run them at the minimum settings...What's going to happen when the normalfags lose their patience is that they'll start using their TVs to watch Netflix, watch band performances, or whatever else. It's not like video games are a serious thing for them.
>>741824358now it wontthe people are being conditioned to high prices for products and now thinks that $1500 is ok. and with the rise of buy now and pay later schemes like klarna, something more drastic is needed to crash the industry than high prices.the fact that Valve is confident in releasing steambox at 1000 and PS5 pro costing 900 is proof of the opposite of that high prices will kill the video game industry
brownlings find money to buy iphonesthey will find money to buy brownslopauto 6
>>741826976>What's going to happen when the normalfags lose their patience is that they'll start using their TVs to watch Netflix, watch band performances, or whatever else. It's not like video games are a serious thing for them.yea this is what is supposed to happen with shitty businesses. consoomers should be able to vote with their wallets to kill them more often, but it seems that concept is truly despicable to governments and rich people. recessions are not allowed anymore either for the same reason
>>741826976>>741827496Companies and governments want you obsessed with short form content and fighting about politics online
>>741824358>people wouldn’t complain about essential goods being priceyWas this moron high when he said that? Revolutions have been started, governments have been toppled and businessmen along with politicians have been executed over shit like bread being too expensive.
>>741827794Ever wonder why the prices of alcohol and cigarettes never go up during times of crisis?
>>741824358normalfags are perfectly okay with going into debt for entertainment or goyslop delivered to their doorthey also spend thousands on gacha and other slot machines the average person is TERRIBLE with money
>>741825786>>741827794Remember egg prices went up high cause of bird flu? They brought it regardless even though blaming Biden and look at the gas prices for better example do you see empty gas station anywhere cause of it?
>Video game companies should be charities
>>741824841Not my problem.I always buy AAA slop 3 years later, because every AAA slop is buggy on release and 3 years after the release is enough for the devs to fix their dogshit game. Not to mention DLCs. The actual complete game, more stable and cheaper. That's all we gotta do. Wait.
>Up until now games have had nothing to do with movies, like I've kept on saying all this time, but now people are going on about how every game will be like a movie from now on. We've come all this way and somewhere along the line, we've forgotten that we're supposed to be making games, and not movies. Now, as a result of that, game development is turning into a circus, costs are skyrocketing, users get bored faster than ever before, and the development of truly new games -- new ways of having fun -- has all but stopped. And now, because of all that, it's getting difficult to make a profit producing video games.
This man was right about so many things. All his words are golden.Yamauchi: "They give money to people that really should be unemployed, and they in turn round up some friends, start a company and begin creating software. But is this really the best way to go about this right now? The more amazing graphics and sound you put into a game, the longer it takes to finish. Not just a year, but now, more like a year and a half or two years. So then your development costs balloon, and when you finally put it out you have zero guarantee of it selling. That's what the game industry is today."Yamauchi: "Up until now games have had nothing to do with movies, like I've kept on saying all this time, but now people are going on about how every game will be like a movie from now on. We've come all this way and somewhere along the line, we've forgotten that we're supposed to be making games, and not movies. Now, as a result of that, game development is turning into a circus, costs are skyrocketing, users get bored faster than ever before, and the development of truly new games -- new ways of having fun -- has all but stopped. And now, because of all that, it's getting difficult to make a profit producing video games.Yamauchi: "There are many companies with the technology to create game software. However, truly talented and experienced individuals are extremely rare. The fact that there are few people who can create excellent games means that there are many who can create subpar games. If we leave the market to such people, anything with potential will be destroyed. The more companies compete, the more they will inevitably produce a large number of games, trying to win with the variety of software. This leads to a flood of similar, subpar game software in the market. When there are many subpar games consumers become uncomfortable. Once that happens, the entertainment market will collapse in the blink of an eye."
>>741828385You are in a Nintendo Thread, anon, you get 1 week 10% discount on Nintendo games every 5 years.$80 games compete to all of us even if we don't subscribe to AAA slop.
you guys buy games?
>>741828643Our world is run by shit while everyone good dies. I'm fucking sick of it.
>>741828718I've got emulation and honest priced indies lol>>741828643Yamauchi was too based for this world. The man didn't even like or played videogames
>>741828643After GTA6 releases, I really am expecting some kind of crash. They can't keep this shit up forever.
>>741828643how was this old fart so keyed in? especially back then wtf
>>741829479He was a businessman who understood the basics of business: keep costs down and production steady. Although his predictions came to pass, Nintendo still does make SOME attempt to adhere to his philosophies, hence why Nintendo consoles tend to be relatively underpowered. They're cheaper to manufacture for, and because they have a low power ceiling, it means their games also have to stay within a certain margin.
>>741829149>this is what doomerfags actually believeSpoiler alert: it won't
>>741829875gta6 will be an all out drunkard frat fest celebrationthe industry will wake up with a massive hangover
>>741829149>>741829875>>741829990I think GTA VI will highlight the generational (unc-zoomer) divide very strongly. Rockstar must know the very real danger of potentially alienating both audiences if the game lacks features that tailor to both. I think:- Older generations are looking for a narrative approach. Not because they're older, but because they're part of that 2000s-2010s gaming generation that wanted to see games reach the prestige of movies (I don't think movies are that prestigious - it's all entertainment).- Younger generations are looking for more digital third spaces that don't take themselves too seriously. That's why I think games like Highguard and Marathon have/will fail - it's hard to make memes and create social content when the source material doesn't allow you to.
>>741828643Extremely based. The last paragraph kind of rebukes the classical libertarian model for its lack of focus on merit, which is also based imo.
>>741828643The whole video game-to-movie trend reached its peak between 2010 and 2015, to the point where I personally started to lose hope in the hobby as a whole. When even a fucking Castlevania game (Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - 2014) is more of an audiovisual spectacle than an actual game, you realize things have really gone to shit.From Software's success was more important than many people realize. The fans are unbearable, but From Software single-handedly changed the course of an industry that was heading down the worst possible path.
>>741831326Nintendo is going game-to-movie right now.
Yeah what he didn't expect was for gaming to become elevated into "too big to fail" territory by other too big to fail companies which is why he left in shamefur dispray the second he lost Rare to Microshit. The last game his name was on is Starfox Adventures.
>>741831615Not really.
>>741824358I came to the conclusion recently that "entertainment" is inherently worthless rendering what he says 100% true.
>>741831703He should have bought Rare.
>>741831703I still don't know what Rare was thinking agreeing to be picked up by Microsoft. I'd hate to think they threw themselves off that cliff just for an opportunity to insult Nintendo.
>>741831831I think when a certain sum of money is involved and no one outbids it they can't refuse.
>>741831741Wrong. Star Fox is MCU bait now. Ocarina is going for Pixar appeal. Mario franchise is getting carried by movies atm. The writing's on the wall.
>>741826032It's curious how he didn't say that when FF and DQ games were releasing on Nintendo hardwareReally makes you think
>>741828643>"Up until now games have had nothing to do with movies">His top man was a movie game producer>His company now makes more in movies than it does in the remade movie games they're coming out with.>>741831831>I still don't know what Rare was thinking agreeing to be picked up by Microsoft. This clown literally had Rare at 49% for 4 years and a caveat in their stock selloff that would actually allow Nintendo to counter bid (which they took). They then lost to microsoft after battle with activision for years because microsoft rightfully paid them a shitload of money that Nintendo couldn't afford, what with Gamecube around the corner.
>>741831950Sorry, I don't believe you, PC vegan.
>>741824358He was a retarded criminal who should have died in Nip Jail.
>>741824358It won't be because there are far more retarded sheep in the world than there are people who actually think.
>>741824358>If you don't think charging $100 won't be the downfall of this industry then you're a fucking retard.the truth is that no game needs 5000 devs, dev cycles lasting more than 2 years, and hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars spent in the process
>>741832021I still say that Nintendo losing Rare is the second biggest mistake they ever made, right behind creating Sony as competition.
>>741826224>Carts were hella expensive in the NES, Genesis and SNES dayslol, lmao.
>>741824358james gives off yamauchi energy in design, but not the game
>>741824358poketroons if given the option between erasing pokemon vs erasing all water on earth would rather die with their shiny collection
>>741832234They both suffered, Nintendo actually had to go buy Rare 2 (retro) to compensate for the loss, it probably gimped gamecube more than any other reason. Rare had next to no time to develop games until like 2006 due to the move and the brainpicking, it's a miracle viva piniata and another Banjo came out with how much microshit had them working on xbox shit.
>>741824358>anon learns about elastic and inelastic demand
>>741831326from doesnt deserve praise for turning games into shoddily coded slop with the depth of ps1 games and no jump button
>>741831326>The fans are unbearableIndeed you are.
>>741830914It doesn't rebuke shit>If we leave the market to such people, anything with potential will be destroyed. The more companies compete, the more they will inevitably produce a large number of games, trying to win with the variety of software. This leads to a flood of similar, subpar game software in the market. When there are many subpar games consumers become uncomfortable. Once that happens, the entertainment market will collapse in the blink of an eye.This was already happening during the NES era and the market didn't collapse.
>>741832021>Nintendo to counter bid (which they took). they didnt, nintendo saw rare wanted to get into a bidding pissing contest and instantly left them to diie
>>741830914The last paragraph, however, is where he's clearly wrong.Of course, his perspective is focused on the world of consoles, but if there's one thing you can easily prove, it's that an excess of bad products doesn't destroy markets (note that I'm not talking about scams or malicious products, but simply bad shit). Steam is a prime example of this, but PCs in Japan as early as the 1980s also served as an example.In fact, you can see this in markets like music or literature. A flood of trash, things of little value, made with little effort, cheap knockoffs, etc., is the norm in these markets, and they've been around for fucking centuries.Now you might argue that an excess of scams can destroy markets. It's one thing to have a multitude of bad games available for purchase, people can live with that. It's another thing entirely when consumers get the impression that they're in a market that's just trying to deceive them through malicious actors. These, I think, can destroy markets, that's why the flood of AI-generated games created by opportunists needs to start being filtered out...
>>741833236>Steam is a prime example of thisnot a good example for your argument when an excess of slop is indeed causing the indie market to fold and die
>>741833236>These, I think, can destroy markets, that's why the flood of AI-generated games created by opportunists needs to start being filtered out...Consumers won't accept low quality AI-made games, same as we don't accept low quality games made without AI. Filtering them won't bring any positive.
>>741833169Thanks for your productive contribution to the discussion, you fucking faggot, LOL.
>>741828612>>741828643It's surprising to see someone speak out against gaming becoming too cinematic so long ago. In the end we did get a whole lot of bad to mediocre games with balooning dev times that struggle to make a profit. Although the live service and f2p gacha fads are probably even worse, wonder what he would've said about that.
>>741833425The issue is the opportunity that AI gives scammers to deceive consumers.A typical characteristic of shovelware is that 99% of the time just looking at a screenshot of the game allows you to conclude with some certainty that it’s a very low-budget game, or entirely amateurish.Now, with AI, someone can produce five highly appealing screenshots for a visual novel to post on the Steam store, for example, and trick a lot of consumers into buying something they think is a professionally presented game, when it’s actually just a nonsensical Ren’py project thrown together in two days by scammers.That’s where the big problem lies. If online stores don’t crack down on this, consumers will start to turn away because no one likes to feel cheated.
>>741828167It was all anyone talked about for a month
>>741833857Luckily Steam has the 2 hour refund period and reviews, so I don't think that sorta scam will ever be widely successful.
>>741824358That’s the case with 99% of businesses, entertainment being one of the more consistent ones. In other words, if it got that bad, we’d have much bigger problems.
>>741833857If only there were some way a consumer could purchase a game and play it for a bit, realize that it was obviously complete garbage and that they'd been misled, and then get an unconditional refund. Not only would that stop the consumers from feeling cheated, it'd disincentivize devs from trying to peddle disguised slop.
>>741831326So many people who never played games in that era don't understand what dark souls changed in the video game landscapemovie games with action combat were at an all time high, so many fucking gets were getting pumped out with fucking basically 0 combat mechanics and just a bunch of quick time events, full spectacle 0 gameplay.playing demon's souls was a great experience, it was a good solid gameplay focused game and I fully expected every title after it to continue to be the same and continue to be nichebut dark souls exploding in popularity completely changed the trajectory of what it considered an acceptable mainstream game and so many AAA decided they needed to actually focus on having combat mechanics instead of just being pure movie.dark souls being even a bit popular feels like it undid a decade of awful game design in a second and completely changed the course of where games were headed
>>741826976The thing is, you don't even need to switch to another medium. A company can show up tomorrow and sell a game for $30, right? It's capitalism, yknow. Just happens that in current times we call companies indies for some reason. This is one option. You can't afford a game, there are options-multiple at that, even besides watching TV or youtube.
>>741824358Yeah, people never complain about the price of food or gas or electricity...
>>741832234>right behind creating Sony as competitionSony's contract was set up to basically own Nintendo, if they had gone through with it they'd have been fucked.
>>741833236>an excess of bad products doesn't destroy markets You're interpreting my post through your own baseline of libertarian thinking. I'm not concerned about whether the lack of merit destroys the market; it's woefully clear that it doesn't. What I'm saying is that the potential for anything good to be published is actively hindered by the dominance of the market a.k.a. the altar at which the libertarian worships. This gap in quality potential that exists due to markets is usually an oversight in economic debates, and I enjoyed reading a statement from someone who was successful at a high level without being a simp for trash-heap open markets.The Wii and every console thereafter became hotbeds for shovelware and I for one did get fed up enough with how time-consuming it is to wade through the mediocrity to find anything worth buying that I stopped shopping for games pretty much altogether.
>>741831950massive retard.>>741832021also a retard
>>741824965>you should be happy with the prices now goyIf you compare things like cost of living and what a month's rate was, it's a bargain. Like in Tampa in the mid-1990s you could get a 2-bed 2-bathroom apartment building in a 10-year-old complex for less than $600 a month. Thirty years later and that same apartment unit is closer to $1700, outpacing inflation by $400 and not considering depreciation. Also in those times if you weren't a complete retard and/or graduated high school you could get an okay job that at least paid the bills and suddenly those expensive games weren't such a big deal anymore.
>>741831831Zoomers who bitch about SM64 or Ocarina of Time having "aged poorly" have no idea about how Rare's N64 games have held up. The sad thing is N64-era Rare was as good as it got. Most of their output kinda sucked.
>>741835981>Rare's N64 games have held up.DK64?
>>741836176>Rare's N64 games have held up.That's the point, that they really didn't. No one talks about Jet Force Gemini anymore, Blast Corps has atrocious controls for half the vehicles and just isn't that fun to play, and DK64 is a meme at best.The thing is their N64 games were the BEST games they had, generally. Their NES games in particular were uneven at best.
>>741835290>The Wii and every console thereafter became hotbeds for shovelware and I for one did get fed up enough with how time-consuming it is to wade through the mediocrity to find anything worth buying that I stopped shopping for games pretty much altogether.That's a you problem thoughSteam library is even bigger than the Wii. In fact I much prefer the Steam of now than the Steam of 15 years ago where it only got 300 games added to its library, it's pretty much certain I will find something I like that cater to my tastes
>>741824358Consoomers are literally why this medium is thriving, though?Doesn't matter how woke, pozzed, censored, low effort, cashgrabby remakeslop filled, DLC + MTX + gacha ridden this shit gets, because retarded faggots make every new entry best sellers. Some of them even do it out of spite towards those who have standards and want creative integrity and less predatory monetization.>hurrr I boughted to own teh haters xDThird worlders and normalfaggots ruin everything, as always.
>>741824358That way of thinking make sense for boomer. Nowadays vanity items is how you make bank.
>>741836317I suppose it's convenient to ignore the snes for the sake of your argument? Just shut up already I doubt you were even alive in the 90s
>>741835290All of the successful consoles had shovelware, though. The PS1, the PS2, and the NES come to mind.
>>741828643Shots fired at indies in the last part. I wonder how much longer the shitfest can keep expanding, were already past 20k games per year lol
>>741836317>That's the point, that they really didn'tOh I see, I interpreted the other way around mb, cheers anon
>>741836573>I suppose it's convenient to ignore the snes for the sake of your argument?There weren't that many Rare SNES games beyond Donkey Kong Country, though.
>>741836870Tolkien never wrote that many books besides LOTR either, proves nothing.
>>741824358I hated him because he was part of the japanese mafia.
>>741835290>What I'm saying is that the potential for anything good to be published is actively hindered by the dominance of the marketwtf does this even mean? what other dominance could it possibly have outside of market demand? xi jinping certainly isn't going drive game development
>>741836958>Tolkien never wrote that many books besides LOTR either,Tolkien wrote more than 29 novels...Not counting the posthumous works...
>>741836389>it's pretty much certain I will find something I like that cater to my tastesYou finding something you like doesn't really correlate with the volume of software at all. In fact, unless you enjoy a large portion of what gets released on Steam, its current trajectory is such that any individual game you liked on there will be more difficult to independently discover over time. And the same would also be true of future releases. What you're attesting to is overall satisfaction, not actual product quality.
>>741825786If gas is 8 dollars a gallon, you complain, but buy it anyways because you need to get to work. If a cheap dinner costs 30 dollars, you complain, but buy it anyways because you need to eat. If a game costs 400 dollars, you complain, but then don't buy it. You don't actually need it. You go outside, maybe draw, whatever it is. Games are a luxury good, which means there is in fact a point where people won't buy it anymore, because not having it is the only downside or penalty for not having it. You will not, in fact, die if you just don't get the next console generation.
>>741824358Nintendo was the one who pushed for higher game prices and they're doing fine. $100 for video games isnt going to do anything.
>>741837074The point is basically that neither supply nor demand are actual sources of quality. People just point at whatever people are buying or selling and saying: it must be good because why else would people buy or sell it? It's a fallacious way of thinking and it doesn't get called out as often as it should.
>>741837429>neither supply nor demand are actual sources of qualityplease enlighten us then on what quality is. Certainly your opinion is worth more than a buying customer's
People have more disposable income now than at any point in history. What else are they going to buy with the money? A house?
>>741833701It's not that surprising if you look at Nintendo's hardware back then. FMVs were a massive fad in the mid 90s and were being treated like the next generation of games because they looked like movies (as in, they literally hired actors for shitty live-action FMV sequences). Sony went all-in on that and everyone thought the 3DO would be a big competitor. Sega and Nintendo were the only ones that made a console with hardware primarily focused on video games instead of some meme FMV box. Nintendo using cartrdiges on the N64 was based because it gatekept all the shitty games propped up by their cinematics and voice acting out, and its games have probably aged the best out of that entire generation because of it.
>>741824358all of your comment is retarded...>no one needs itspeak for yourself, your not the voice of the 8 billion>if we were making food no one would complainAFUHCK THEHECH SHITTTT!!!>and theres BILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF THOUSANDS of other forms of entertainment yeah surely if you count throwing rocks, but if you have a ps5 on one hand and a rock on the other you dont throw the ps5 and play with your rock right Patrick ??>if the industry just dissipates no one would care... yeah surely at this point just some few families would found themselves in the streets and almost 200% sure other industries will found them a job in no time...>these games are all stupids...just wait some few more years for them to see the potential of these products that just as books or movies can transmit ideas and ideologies >you dont need games in order to liveyeah sure if we just speak materially, but are you just a mollusk or a fungi that only needs its daily intake of CHON?? (oxygen carbon hydrogen and nitrogen) videogames supply that cognitive area you DO DEFINITeLY NEED in order to live as a proper human being
>>741838342He's saying that videogames are non-esentials which Is obviously true and an industry completely going to shit has already happened before so not sure what are you talking about
>>741837554The point is I'll look at it and the top offer is trash, recommendations are trash, random game offers are trash, everything is trash. This leads to >>741828617 and that's why many people often call non-big budget games all pixelslop, depressionslop, and so on. The impression is that it's all slop. Unless you're one of those consoomers who buy 7500 games xe doesn't play, it's not an attractive proposition. Me? I give up and quit looking at the store. I might wait for infinite goys to do the work for me and eventually the typemonkeys will curate it better and in 3 years there'll be 3 new quality indies that are worth playing and it'll be possible to find someting on 4chin, etc. It's good for the store that it has all those goys doing the work. However, I can't really call that good quality.
>>741824358How would he have felt with Nintendo pouring millions upon millions of rescources into 100+ hour JRPGs like Xenoblade Genesis and Fire Emblem Fortune's Weave? Didn't he think JRPG players were losers? Or was that just him being salty about Square stabbing him in the back?
>>741826378Damn, the leafs really got raped over at kohl's didn't they? $30 for a SNES controller was fucking highway robbery back in '96, they were only $10 in the US and the exchange rate hovered around $1USD = $0.73CAD, and the fucking SNES itself was only $99 rather than $255.85 *after coupon.
>>741824358I like how he’s obviously a businessman, but still cares about his product and his industry.
>>741838602these are like the 3 more top comments for the outsiders when it comes to criticize and underestimate the industry >they are not art>they will cook your brain>they are not foodthank god we have almost completely eradicated the troons believers that gta is responsible for shooting incidentsbut dam that we still have a long road for the other 2 ones...>He's saying that videogames are non-esentialsnot really, it could be that his whole idea is rounded about it, but when he says things like "Consumers would not complain if what we do were essential for life"really? we do complain even for inanimate it things that we dont have control over and will not do it for bread or gasolinebut well, we know he refers to biological essential things for us to keep living, which is true, you dont eat video games, but this doesnt mean no one cares, its pointless and all is going to shit...the constant of the universe is destruction, break down things into smaller and more simple parts, build things that are more complex requires energy and a lot of time investment, just as building a house requires lots of time and knowledge to do, but surely the most stupid creature as a gorilla can come across and poor it down, and just as that video games are not stupid things as the poster suggest, they are complex systems that builds from smaller partsthe poster and you are stupids just as all the other masses that criticize the industry from their poor points of views that are just based from basic daily needs like "if its not bread than its pointless" as you would be a crustacean that only what you need is to make osmosis whit the water
>>741833174I think he's more talking about the industry right before the great crash in 1983. The market at that point was absolutely swamped with like two dozen competing consoles and each console had 50 competing identical ripoff versions of every game. The 3 way console wars of the 90's and 2000's had nothing on that. What has started to equal that is the deluge of Indieslop cones on Steam. So many shitty "Call of Modern Honor: Medal of Warfare Duty: Battlefield Shooter" slop clogging up the storefront because Valve refuses to have any sort of quality control on games.
>>741840827this post is the epitome of>making up scenarios in my head to get mad at
>>741835756You're so retarded you don't even understand you're making the opposite point you think you're making
>>741841870really?? how
>>741826032>JRPGs send even an exec worth millions into a histrionic meltie over their existenceHoly shit jarpigs are fuarking POWERFUL
>>741824358Same can be said for books, movies, music, etc. Is he retarded?
>>741824965because they came on expensive cartridges.now you get a code in a box.
>>741842016you’re getting mad at positions that nobody is holding
>>741842151No? He's saying that Is a delicate industry thats all, why are you guys reading so much into it, its obvious he's correcto just look at the state of today gaming industry
>>741826764Trans Obscura fan seething
>>741842151What he said also applies to those things. In fact we're literally saw it with movies theaters. You don't need theaters to live, so once prices reached a certain point people simply stopped going. The simple fact is that people non-essential things like entertainment are the first things people cut out of their budget when the price gets too high. If they jack up the price of water or bread you can't really not pay it, if they jack up the prices of AAA video games to $100+ people will just stop buying them.
>>741842295im getting mad at the position that just because games are not as essentials as foods they automatically become a useless industry, stupid things that if they would to dissapear no one would careis this not the position of OP ? or at least the one hes quoting
>>741842521>is this not the position of OP ? or at least the one hes quotingIt's not.
>>741842521>we produce entertainment -- and there's a million other kinds of entertainment out there. He said it's entertainment, but there are other types of it, so you could go and watch TV instead of playing video games.
>>741842830>The thing with this industry is, no one actually needs what it produces.dang man i might need some help and visit an specialist i read it like 3 times and still dont get the idea
>>741843086The idea Is that a non essential industry doesnt have the same back as am essential industry so you need to have that in mind while making games
>>741824965because they were produced on cartridges with chip sets that were expensive to produce anyways. Most gaming is digital these days which costs nothing to produce. They're keeping it expensive not out of necessity but because executives want more money. None of that profit trickles down either, that's a meme. Employees are getting laid off by the millions so the CEOs can buy another yacht.
>>741842991well you know i use my sony bravia that runs every game at 60 fps cap xD if that counts as watching TV than im fine
>>741842521Its not. Stop being retarded. Also worth noting that even if game market collapsed you would still have six gazzylion old games, its not like they gonna disappear
>>741824358it's funny because he completely got it wrong. it's the complete opposite. people on the internet mostly whine about prices for the absolute useless shit like video games while shutting up for essential stuff. lmao.
>>741843131yes exactly the industry do not supply you proteins, it does supply you whit something else that separte us from the other 99.99% os organisms from earth, is that not essential for keeping are human intelligence privileges
>>741843330How has the point gone over your head like 5 times at this point.You will die if you don’t eat food for a week. You will not die if you don’t play video games for a week. That is the only judgement being made.
>>741843175im not being retarded, the industry is not less valuable just because theres other industry that supplies you with other necessities just as love from your parents supply your feeling necesities they dont get debunked just because there are economic necesities, they are just 2 diferent things that supply diferent necesities of you as a childsame for gaming industry and other goods industries they supply you with different things that target different necessities
>>741843476some necessities are more immediate than others, and as humans we prioritize short term problems over long term ones as per our hierarchy of needs
>>741836481>this medium is thrivingSure, that's why there's constantly massive layoffs, famous studios are getting shut down every month, publishers are going bankrupt at record pace, a behemoth like EA got sold to Middle Eastern oilfags etc.>consoomers>woke>pozzed>cashgrabby>normalfaggotsSpoken like a retarded faggot.
>>741828643>The fact that there are few people who can create excellent games means that there are many who can create subpar games. If we leave the market to such people, anything with potential will be destroyed. The more companies compete, the more they will inevitably produce a large number of games, trying to win with the variety of software. This leads to a flood of similar, subpar game software in the market. When there are many subpar games consumers become uncomfortable. Once that happens, the entertainment market will collapse in the blink of an eye."This one became even more poignant with that report about games that use AI being reviewed worse and getting worse sales on Steam. And of course the whole seething about having to disclose AI use in general.
>>741843330Mate he wasnt giving a lecture about the human condition, he was just giving His opinion of the gaming industry
>>741843453>You will not die if you don’t play video games for a week.because they are not being made for that...and just because of it doesnt render games useless industry less along what he said "no one cares of them"
>>741843476>im not being retardedsad
>>741843549>and as humans we prioritize short term problems over long term ones as per our hierarchy of needsyou dont know what your talking about... even in the worst of the apocalypse you cant be fighting or holding days by just eating, in any moment you will need to sit and think and spare time
>>741843556>getting sold means you're doing bad retarded, not how it works>famous studios are getting shut down every monthsomething that has always been going on, you just hear it about more nowadays because of social media
>>741824358>If what we were making was absolutely essential in order to live, then the consumer wouldn't complain about price or supply, because he'd be in big trouble if he ran out.Yamauchi was a fucking retard.
>>741843567>giving an opinnionan opinion based on an idea that from the very start is wrong, comparing goods like food with games and calling games useless industry just because are not like food is dumb and retarded
>>741843605>doesnt render games useless industrygood thing nobody is claiming that
>>741843330>is that not essential for keeping are human intelligence privilegesno
>>741843783anon, you may be actually mentally challenged, your reading skills are below ESL
>>741843783He is a businessman and is making a comparison to help make a point about how to create a better and more profitable industry. You read a value judgement into it and have been sperging like a retard while still somehow missing the point.
>>741843860at this point you are just making a joke out of this
>>741843605>less along what he said "no one cares of them"He didn't even say that. Have you tried actually reading it? You know, not speedreading or whatever. There's an "If". That means he's presenting an hypothetical. You might be illiterate.
>>741824965>what is an exchange rate
>>741843915you can’t even speak or understand basic english
>>741843912>he thing with this industry is, no one actually needs what it produces. If what we were making was absolutely essential in order to live, then the consumer wouldn't complain about price or supply, because he'd be in big trouble if he ran out.being clear and fair, what we produce are not really important, if they would be, people will not complain if games costs 100 dollars cause they are essentialwrong from the very beginning, >On the other handnow from another perspective>we produce entertainment -- and there's a million other kinds of entertainment out there.just normal recognizing of tiktok being the major competitor, 0 discrepancy no one will disagree>If the game industry went away, it's not like people would keel over and die on the street. If it came to pass that people started saying "These games are all stupid, I gotta stop playing them all the time", then what do you think would happen? You don't need games to live, after all, so the market could fall right out. It could even shrink to a tenth of what it was.just the same from the beginning, we dont make critical goods so people will not freak out if suddenly just the tenth of gamers remain there...again hes underestimating the industry from a perspective that from the very beginning is wrong,really feel stupid myself having to repeat like 20 times what he was saying man, really hope one day stop hearing games are not art and they are not as important as other goods as games need to be it
>>741843987oof that hurts man, anyway i just need enough english to play my games, if theres like a secret encrypted message between lines in what hes saying mm well ok i will assume im still -A1
>>741844495How do you even begin with a post like this? You can’t even write a sentence properly. I can’t even fault you for your retarded argument because you have no idea what you’re actually typing.
>>741844847 i even started quoting him>your retarded argumentjust as retarded and stupid as the one that is reading it and trying to make sense out of it
>>741844495The first sentence is only the preamble. It's not meant to be read in isolation. "Videogames aren't necessary-". The second continues; >. If the game industry went away, it's not like people would keel over and die on the street. He's explaining that what he meant is-people wouldn't keel over and die. Without video games. That's true. He's talking about necessity in a strict sense. Otherwise, it would sound like he's saying games have no cultural importance, for example, but he does elaborate in the second sentence. He's talking about necessity in a literal sense, as in, you won't die without it. The cause of confusion is that you need both sentences in conjunction, as one expands on the other. This requires an N2 level of media literacy. Just read more and you'll get better.
>>741826032He's right>T. cRPG fan
>>741837382>If gas is 8 dollars a gallon, you complain, but buy it anyways because you need to get to work.>If a cheap dinner costs 30 dollars, you complain, but buy it anyways because you need to eat.Yes. That's the opposite of what he said.
>>741842379Yeah, they've flirted with increasing the prices more before but backed down. I'm surprised they went up to $70 but I don't think they can go much higher before people just start waiting for sales or not buying.
>>741824358Gaming isn't being sold as a hobby but as a lifestyle, and as a lifestyle it can afford being pricey because of the social pressure normalfags experience every day. There won't be a single "GAMER" not buying $100 GTA6 on launch simply because it is what's expected of them.
>>741843556For every bout of "massive layoffs" and "flops" there is something like nuGoW which runs off of brand loyal consoomer drones to make up for 5-10x the "losses".>abloobloobloo waaaaaah u no use those words!Literally everything that's wrong with the medium, though? Idpol cancer, censorship, remake cashgrab cancer and mtx/gacha, thirdies and normalfags enabling all of it because of hypebeast retardation. The list goes on and on.Cope and seethe more since it's all true, tranny. You retards will be blue in the face screaming "WOKE IS DEAD THOUGH!??!?! THE MEDIUM IS HEALING!!!11!! MUH STUDIO CLOSURES!!111!!!" while God of War: Laundry sells 30 million units with the Dildo Up My Ass Edition™, MSRP $150, with GoW+ subscription + tax + tip + fee, all while the investment firms who use this shit for embezzlement laugh at ignorant dipshits like you who think "muh losses" mean anything when the global economy unironically runs on Monopoly Money, and also while all the game devs who "lost jobs" just get relocated/re-nepohired by their fellow activists + third world viber coders who build modern games on guttertrash like UE5.lollmfao
>>741826032When you understand the context of how RPGs supplanted the entire video game industry and drastically shifted its audience to something quite ugly it makes sense. Every issue we have today is due to this shift.
>>741836660Perpetually. Did the music industry completely collapse because recording a song and putting it up on social media right next to a commercially produced radio hit is accessible to literally any person right now?
>>741843705What did you expect, Japanese are the biggest corpo bootlickers in the world.
>>741824358Stop making video games your own identity. Touch grass. Go outside. Find a job.
>>741845903well yes i got it you know >He's talking about necessity in a literal sense, as in, you won't die without it.that is what i said at my very first post, one of the arguments academic fags from prestige positions say for disgrace games are amoung others "they are not important" and yes this as essential physical goods as food clothes or cover... i mean, the thing is, whether your first argument starts being explicit or not and will construct later, if you start this way, you are going bad from the very beginning, but welli will not repeat myself, i mean at least you confirm now i didnt get anything wrong not that i felt it, i was 100% sure of what he said >This requires an N2 level of media literacy. Just read more and you'll get better.i will take it fine, here i give you a nep check in exchange before leaving
Alot of people have forgotten that the latest cawadoody, black cops 7, also performed poorly.
>>741845903most media have little to no cultural importance, games especially, games are like third tier of mediaonly memes matter
>>741824358Unfortunately he doesn't understand a damn thing. Still his face looks funny.
>>741824358>If you don't think charging $100 won't be the downfall of this industryIt won't be the downfall of gaming because no one goes out anymore. $100 games are still cheaper than no longer going clubbing and buying girls drinks who were never looking to hook up with you anyway.There's barely any social third spaces for males irl anymore either. No one does shit. Gaming would easily survive this price hike, even though everyone is poor.
>>741824965These games were finished products and didn't need licenses, subscriptions or internet to be played AND can still be played today with the original hardware. Besides that you can resell these games.It's honestly a better deal.
>>741848450So why did everyone stop buying PS5s?
>>741848506Gaming itself will survive. I'm not saying there won't be pockets of under-performance or outright implosions along the way. But think about it: where else is there?We're in 'mouse utopia' and most guys are invisible to bitches and demoralized by all their institutions selling out their countries to foreigners and bad actors. They don't do shit anymore. I wish they would. Fucking end gaming forever. That would be great.But it won't play out like that.
>>741848645>complains about people not doing anything>can't quit gaming on his owncurious
>>741828643>>741843565That last paragraph is the well-known marketing principle of Tyranny Of Choice.At least, it used to be well known. Tl;Dr: once a product becomes commodified and just-like products flood the market, people lose interest due to no touchstones, uncertain quality, cost avoidance, and such. If you have one candy bar for sale, some people will buy it, even people that don't necessarily like candy; if you have 5 candy bars, a few more people will buy them; if you have 50 candy bars, less people will buy them, and worse the revenue is spread over 50 different bars, so the financial incentive is to cut costs instead of improve quality.
>>741848746I'm a board tourist and I barely play games. Just say you don't have an answer to this generational problem. Don't try to whittle it down to a personal misgiving so it's easier to glibly cope post away.
Entertainment is somewhat important and a game is cheaper than going to the theater, circus.
>>741827794He's japanese, they simply go about it with a "It cannot be helped, huh..." and keep their head down
>>741834448I mean, the fact that dark souls was that popular means people DON'T really want movie games, gameplay is and always will be king, but movie games are way more seductive and games are bought before they're played.
>>741824841The market is vastly different nowThe biggest selling games on pc or console are nothing at all vs the mobile gatcha market It's not even close. Gatcha makes hundreds of billions of dollars and every "big" game this year is going to flop due to no demand for live service garbage
>>741847179>one of the arguments academic fags from prestige positions say for disgrace games are amoung others "they are not important" and yes this as essential physical goods as food clothes or coverBut OP isn't one of those guys and he wasn't doing or trying to imply anything like that. He meant it literally and it's about his business. I'm technically correct because he said 'needs', not 'is important'. He's technically correct because it's a fact. You're not correct.
>>741824358Never ever underestimate the power of your cool online friends (influencers) shilling you products. It is the jew super tactic and it can not be defeated. Is is extremely efficient and the ultimate weapon. It's conditioning children to consume. GTA 6 could cost 100$ and it would not make a difference.
>>741843292>while shutting up for essential stuff>>If what we were making was absolutely essential in order to live, then the consumer wouldn't complain about price or supplydid you read the post you're replying to? can you read?are you even human?
>>741828643Nothing he said came true.The more times it takes to make a game, the less games will be poduced.Consumers cosume mindlessly even if the quality is low.
>>741824358>If you don't think charging $100 won't be the downfall of this industry then you're a fucking retard.>$100 GAMES ARE BAD>says and buys his $30 skins in his slop games that he doesn't even ownkill yourself
>>741848914>Tyranny of ChoiceThis can literally be applied to everything in life as the principle also shows why both extremes of "Freedom vs Duty" also end up producing the same effect.>Your 100% free to do whatever the fuck you want whenever you want, no strings attatched>Everything starts feeling meaningless and samey as you never move out of your comfort zone and continuously chase after impossible goals, you essentially enslave yourself to your own free will and it's cognitive limits>You have 0 freedom and can only do what your told, if you ever step out of line your immidietly puished for it>Everything starts feeling meaningless and samey as your never allowed to choose anything in life and are instead forced into doing what others want you to do, you are literally enslaved by the free will of othersBoth outcomes produces the same value, just skewed towards one of two extremes, people with free will will flock towards choices that allows them to maximize its effect while people with no free will flock towards choices that maximize the tyrants free will.I guess this is why it's called "Tyranny of Choice"
>>741824841Normal faggots would pay 2000 usd for gta 6 that's how retarded the normie gaymer is nowadays.
>>741824358I have old dead faggot shilling fatigue
>>741851046No they wouldn'tSponsored streamers would be paid $300k to make videos where they pay $100 for gta6 and no one would buy itSee: marathon
>>741824358this guy looks like a japanese cigarette
>>741850978How do you solve this problem like on a personal level?
>>741851473Microdosing
>>741851473By surrounding yourself with people you trust and dedicate a portion of your life towards doing what is best for them. It's what I've been trying to do the last 2 years with middling success so far.Essentially, start/join a good community, find/start a good friendgroup or start your own familyFree will only actually has meaning if you gain some amount of joy out of just using it, just like serving others only really has meaning if you aren't forced into doing it.
>>741851473If I knew that I wouldn't be here.
>>741846215Redpill me on this
>>741824358Food is too expensive
>>741841870he's right thoughhuman have evolved past only needing food+watermy life(and the life of many others) would be miserable without entertainment, for one
>>741832740Hey shit for brains if Rare couldn't make good games for Microsoft or Xbox's superior console that's Rare's fault.
>>741824358no I hate this old kikeslave because he killed yokoi
>>741843705>that cartoonSure the 'Biden' chicken genocide had nothing to do with egg prices. Leftists are such lying pieces of shit lmao.
>>741824358I need food and food it's the most "too expensive" thing there isYou are fucking paying 5 to 10 times what you were paying for the same shit 10-20 years ago
>>741854605TLDR square enix took RPGs and dumbed them down for mass appeal, then doubled down and turned them into movie games for retards.
>>741824965>A new controller was <$30
