>refuses to sell at a loss>refuses to even give a discount or subsidize with gift cards>overpriced low spec hardware that you can build cheaper by $500+ with the exact same form factor and more power>all could've been avoided by putting a 2x more powerful GPU and pricing it reasonably, under $900>commits the same mistake literally by the book after almost 15 years and didn't learn a single thingWhy didn't they learn from the first steam machine? Its such a cool concept, the steam machine, yet they messed it up again.Did valve overestimate how much people expect from price and value?Xbox series X was $450-500 for a long time and is much more powerful. Why did they think they could do almost triple this and get away with it, just because its a PC? There's lots of prebuilts that people can install steamOS in 3 minutes on.Even if AI inflated their cost, they could've priced it at $700 with no controller, $800 with a controller, took the hit and offered like a $150 gift card bundle, xbox does game giveaways with their consoles all the time.They are going to have to take the price to at least below $800, nobody will buy this shit with those specs.
>>741827524Gabe don't like to lose money, simple as, yes he could subsidize like 10m of steam machines instead of buying a mansion but he doesn't want
rich people are retarded, and rich companies are even worse.Just look at the absolute clusterfuck dumpster fire that was Amazon trying to break into gaming
>>741827524well it sold out instantly so it sounds like the price isn't an issue
You fucking realize that it's still a PC, right?If they sell it at a loss they're selling a PC at a loss and the thing will just be scraped for parts
>>741828893they barely have any units to sell
>>741828949>the thing will just be scraped for partsthe parts inside it are borderline worthless because the spec is genuinely that awful, it would only be scalped for the RAM+storage so really it would just need to be priced higher than those.
>>741828893>well it sold out instantly so it sounds like the price isn't an issueall 50 units
>>741827524>Release overpriced mid range PC from 7 years go>Valve announcement "Wow we are sold out until next year, we are making as many as possible">Don't have to reveal numbers sold because private company fuck you>Asus, MSI, Minisforum are like "holy shit we can beat that price for double the performance">Dollar signs light up their eyes>shit out new Steam Machines every 6 months for sane prices>Steam Machine for every price and performance point>Consumers still buy games on Steam, Valve profitsThanks for reading my gigacope fan fic.
>they barely have any units to sell
>>741827524wonder why this has blown up as much as it did. the deck barely sold and I doubt this would have done better, so why all the bitching from people who weren't going to get one to begin with? this whole thing feels astroturfed if I'm honest.
>>741829510poorfags thought gayben was going to rescue them from AI prices
>>741828949Valve are trying to have an excuse for everything and they don't realize they need to pick a lane and commit to it.They're clearly making a pre-built console-pc hybrid for people who just want to drop it in a space and forget about it. So all they had to do was lock down and solder everything to greatly deter the vast majority of people from scrapping it, and then only sell to enthusiasts whose locations match their shipping address. Instead they're acting like a retarded indie startup who are pleasing nobody.
>>741829510I don't see it doing more than 1 million. This thing was never going to sell that much anyway.
>>741829510cuz it's funny
>>741827524>refuses to sell at a lossI'm surprised at the number of people that read this and think they're selling it at cost. Like they're setting the price as low as they can basically making $0. That is absolutely not what is happening. They are trying to make as much of a profit as they can and blaming it on the market.
>>741829727I doubt Valve will be able to procure more components anyway.
>>741829717cope
>>741830064Well yeah, I can see their manufacture jacking up the prices on them. Which is why the whole subsidizing thing is retarded.
>>741830042>I'm surprised at the number of people that read this and think they're selling it at cost. Like they're setting the price as low as they can basically making $0. That is absolutely not what is happening. They are trying to make as much of a profit as they can and blaming it on the market.Explain this to the thousands of valve slurpers on here, you'll get outnumbered and chimped
>>741827524>>refuses to sell at a lossWorse they're selling at a 30% profit margin.
>>741830097>literal corporate drone behavior>minimum stock sold out>copeI wonder if valve drones will get shamed in a decade from now on
>>741830042>company tries to make a profit by selling somethingWhy do you think this is some kind of revelation?
>>741830335Company making money is bad.
>>741827524Why are they so fixiated into preasembled PC market? That shit was never good in the first place, and their idea of having cheap home center PC that would compete against consoles and PCs isn't bad, but they took way too long to release the product.
>>741829284>>741829412>make product>sells outuhhhhhh so what's the issue?you mad you didn't get one?
>>741830552they're clearly playing the long game by testing steamOS in low end devices with fixed specs like the steam deck, the alternative would be to have steamOS work in all kinds of random configurations from the start which would have taken way longer to get off the ground
>>741830552>Why are they so fixiated into preasembled PC market?they want casual console users on steam, which is a good idea.But then Gabe fucked it up by being a jew
>>741827524This entire thing made me realize that Valve has no fucking clue about the console market.Their attempts to enter the console market are on the same level as Epic getting into the pc storefront market.
>>741830552SteamOS/Steam ecosystem adoption is their real big bet. SM is merely a bonus.
>>741827524They sold that thing at cost, idiot.
Gaybe and whoever is in charge lack competency and motivation to profit in any other way other rent seeking through their pc store monopoly and Valve will never get punished for it because fair competitions laws are a joke that is easily bypassed by payrolling a half decent law counselors AND Valve is a private company with 50.1% of shares owned by a lazy yacht man.If Gabe wasn't so lazy he would fire all the leeches at his corporation and build a proper corporation that can get shit done but that won't happen because he is a spiritual neet and kike at the same time. So he just spends his bucks on lame kike shit like yachts instead of cool stuff. It's always funny kikes chase money all their life only to end up doing nothing and losing. What's the point of making infinite money if you don't spend it properly?
Its just greed.Its funny how everyone is trying to do mental gymnastics about why the price is high.>Its muh AI even though it costs $430 to manufacture and even with AI inflation no more than $550>Its muh tarrifs and blumpf and the hormuz and gas prices!Its just fucking GREED.
The only thing that's funny about all of this is that people for some reason expected a good PC at $700 in today's component market when a good GPU alone costs 2k+
>>741831408More like shortsighted and/or incompetent at decision making level. Valve is a dysfunctional corporation if you haven't noticed. If they weren't fucked up they would have released hl3 15 years ago.
>>741831372epic games store practically spits in your mouth compared to steam. the competition are even bigger kikes
>>741831473It seems like low end is just dead at this point. May as well blow at least 2 grands when building pc.
>>741831408 you voted for thisnow suffer
>>741831662epic makes more money at the end because they have a real corporate structurevalve has a bunch of leech 7 figure senior "employee" cartel and a lazy yacht ceo who offload all work to contractors or to community for free.
>>741827524Just don't be poor
>>741831862good advice unironicallywhy settle for piece of shit cube when 2 grand will get you multiple times better pc
>>741831719It would be the exact same shit with the other side.The US is way past voting, everywhere is way past voting.
>>741831473Brown people wanted a free PC basically and because logic isn't their strong point they are now mad and spamming the board. You can feel the poor brownness through the screen.
>>741832003It's just consolefaggots that can't understand how PC works."HA HA YOUR CONSOLE IS EXPENSIVE!" because for em, if you don't buy the steam console, you can't play steam games.
>>741829510I was hoping it'd sell well to speed along the exodus from windows.
>>741827524>you can build cheaper by $500+ with the exact same form factor and more powerlies
>>741829420This is clever, but it ignores the appeal of console exclusives.
>>741827524Originally it would've been sold for $750, but no one could've anticipated the price increases for parts. That isn't a mistake.Instead of canceling the project, they decided to sell it without much fanfare, or trying to do convoluted deals to salvage it into a success they were initially aiming at, which wouldn't be realistic. >Xbox series X was $450-500 for a long time and is much more powerful.Okay? It isn't anymore. How is that relevant?
Steamfags(fake and real) being too vocal gave Gaben too much confidence.
>>741832936>Originally it would've been sold for $750Yeah, I don't think so.Month(s) ago some anon posted a video where some youtuber at Valve was talking about how it would be great at a similar price range and a white hair woman employee next to him gave the most obvious tell by doing the worried ick look. That pretty much settled they were aiming for around a grand even months ago.
>>741833214>months agothis was probably a few years in the works
>>741833445I forgot when this shit was even announced.
>>741831167and by that you mean finally breaking MS's monopoly?don't get me wrong, i think the price point is absolutely retarded for what it is.. but i hope it succeeds wildly, so much so that dev's start actually making native linux compatible versions of games. (yes, proton is good enough, usually. until it's not)still seems foolish to not price it as a loss leader though.
>>741830335Yes, deliberately going for huge greedy margins to fuck over your customers is bad and gives you a bad reputation. Microsoft has been selling the series X for years for $400 and no PC has ever been able to touch its price to performance.When you hold a literal monopoly on the PC digital game sales marketplace, and you can give out $50-100 credits to steam accounts like they are fun coupons because its not real money that you will ever notice and you're still greedy you are out of touch.The goal is to get people in the ecosystem and to eventually spend thousands, $50 or $100 is nothing. Only making a small margin is a small price to pay to get a steam machine in millions of homes. Now they won't get a steam machine not even in 10,000 homes.Only making $100 or $200 margin per console is not that big of a deal, but valve seems to think its literal genocide if they can't sell their console for less than a $700 margin apparently.We already know it costs around $400-500 to make. Even with the most inflated AI ram prices you cant seriously say this costs more than $650 total to manufacture with the controller, they buy everything in fucking bulk. So anything over $850 is just PURE GREED.The console takes $500 to manufactureThe controller takes $50 to manufactureThey are greedy end of story. Its proven by simple math they are greedy.
>>741835272saaaaar why is steam give so many free things then?
>>741831473a $500 gpu entry level rtx card will still mog whatever laptop gpu fucking steam machine has
>>741836608okay, and with a $500 gpu the price would have ended up way higher. hope this helps?
In this economy? You're asking for the impossible dude.
>>741827524If they subsidize it, then they're not getting anything they aren't already getting.The Xbox comes with 120$ per year in subscriptions, the PS5 comes with 80$ per year in subscriptions and even the Switch at minimum comes with 20$ per year in subscriptions, and that's before counting what they get from vendor lock-in, ads and data harvesting.Sure you can build a PC cheaper and upgrade for even cheaper, but the competition is prebuilts, which generally aren't cheaper right now without significant caveats that will likely come back to bite you in the ass, like a bad PSU or shit thermals.>>741835272People are already using Steam, they're already in the ecosystem.
>>741827524It's going to sell so why wouldn't they charge what they are charging? Retards on /v/ really don't seem to get capitalism. There is zero point to selling something for less just to make poor people happy when you can sell it for more and people will buy it. Go be a marxist faggot somewhere else.
>>741827524Who cares about this thing?If anyone has a steam library to use on it, they already have a pc. It'd be a waste to buy it. I understand people want to buy the new shiny for no reason but come on. There would be no point to this thing even at $500.I assume the constant shitposting is coming from consolefags who see this as an opportunity but no one actually needs this thing to play on pc. If you really need the form factor then I guess you might care but I doubt that's a significant fraction of this board
>>741832936>$750Its actual price is 400 including the controller.
>>741839316>People are already using Steam, they're already in the ecosystem.Those people weren't the target audience, and now with the price this high they've removed any of the target they were going for, people who want a PC cheap but dont want to pay PC prices of over $100. At over $700 most people cannot buy this. All because valve was greedy and or didn't want to have a smaller 10% margin. at $600-700, depending on how much it costs to manufacture for them whether its $450, $500 or $600Notice how valve coped by saying>umm actually you can't buy any PC for this price if you cant afford our cube despite reality literally saying otherwise
>>741835272>The console takes $500 to manufacture>>741841830>depending on how much it costs to manufacture for them whether its $450, $500 or $600
>>741842318We don't know how much. Estimates range from $400 to 600 after the AI boom. But what we do know is that it can't be possibly any more than $600 realistically. Showcasing valve insane greed on display
I'm pretty sure Valve only produced like 100 of those things and there would definitely be some techies who buy shit just to buy it so Valve didn't lose anything.it's funny people are pointing out Gaben didn't do any monopolistic behavior, though. A monopoly man would intentionally sell low as shit to undercut the existing console market. Instead Gaben just made a really expensive Dell. Dude, it's a Dell.
>>741830649>you mad you didn't get one?I would be if it was in my budget. Looks like it will be a nice little couch PC.
>>741827524if they offered that alienware console now I would pay $300 for it
>>741842506>Estimates range from $400 to 600 after the AI boom. But what we do know is that it can't be possibly any more than $600/v/Show me a manufacturer selling a prebuilt with similar specs and form factor for $700. Surely if it only costs this much someone would try to undercut the competition?
>>741827524I understand why Valve would price the steambox like they have, I understand why it's the way it is.I don't understand why they've bothered to do it though. Do they expect to turn a profit on them? To at least suppress the console market? Or is it to provide a platform for the games they sell, and they feel there needs to be more consistently priced, reliable quality PCs for that?>>741830889>>741831167If this was true I'd think it'd be mandatory to sell at a loss like consoles. You guys seem to be thinking "Yeah that's definitely what they're trying but Valve is just retarded lol". I'm not convinced their retarded, I'm suspicious they have another motivation.
>>741830191That's what everyone is doing but they can get away without subsidising it like console companies. I don't understand why this is so bad, you can just not buy it and not use Steam.
>>741843650>to sell at a loss like consolesyou know this hasn't been true for a very long time. 7th gen was the last time consoles were sold at a loss.
>>741843532Something tells me that buying RAM at large scale incurs exorbitant pricing, which is used to squeeze AI execs for more money than they're worth. But I don't know, I'm not a distributer.
>>741831372valve doesnt even have a true monopoly, every bitch publisher has their own platform and marketplace yet none of them are popular because it turns out anything that requires an entire application to be installed is instantly a natural monopolymaybe just tone down the drm so people dont need the billionth epic origin gameshit launcher just to play one of their vidya
>>741831697>2 grand on a GPUFTFY
>>741843650the ram crisis likely hit them at a point where it wasn't feasible to just pull the plug on the whole thing
>>741844313Where the hell are you getting this number from? Do you really need anything better 5070ti/9070xt?
Everyone knows it's not going to be cheap if they decide to release it right now. I'm more baffled on why they did decide to release it now. They still sold out though so I guess I'm just an idiot.
>>741827524If you didn't want it, you wouldn't be mad about it.
>>741827524>>refuses to sell at a lossWhy would anyone do this? Are you retarded?
>>741845781If they released it larer, the specs would be even more embarrassing.
>>741845998They did steam sales at a loss back then and it worked.Why are they not doing similar stuff anymore?inb4 devs set prices from a zoomer who started using steam post 2010
>>741845998It is how literally any business in history works.
>>741829420That's exactly what they did with the Deck, and that is what will happen with the Gabecube. >>741832537You are ignoring the appeal of PC exclusives and backwards compatibility going back to literal 90s.
>>741846116Just because everyone's jumping off the bridge doesn't mean you should do it. In the end, there will nobody left to call you chicken for staying on the other side of the railing.
>>741846065>they sold a stream of digital 1's and 0's at a loss >that means they should lose money on hardware
>>741839784People got too used to loss-leading despite the fact that loss-leading just leads to enshittification and subscription servicesI would rather the steam machine be expensive and forced to be successful on its own merit rather than be subsidized and turned into a vehicle for valve to start playing around with gay ideas like subscription fees similar to the ones consoles have
>>741846396That's a dumb analogy. It's more like just because everyone's staying on the bridge doesn't mean you shouldn't jump off it. This is how every successful business works. If the consumer didn't think they were getting a deal or good value they wouldn't be fucking giving you money.
>>741831606I'm still waiting for the TF2 MVM update they promised a year ago. You know, the update where all they had to do from their side was steal some pre-made maps/missions the community carried up to their noses, take a couple hours to reskin existing weapons into gold and then release it.I cant fucking believe how inefficient and slow they are.
>>741844075Buying RAM at any scale is exorbitantly priced. Large scale buying would afford you at least a tiny bit of respite because you wouldn't have to go through a middle man.
>>741827524just release steamOS3 for fuck sakes!
Selling gabecube at a loss is violation of Sherman antitrust act. Valve can't do it
>>741848170It's releasedhttps://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download?ver=steamdeck
>>741827524Selling at a lost only works if you can compensate it somewhere else, it works on consoles due to 70+ dolar (exclusive) games + subscription
>>741848170Why do you need an OS that can only run neofetch?
>>741843650Being a loss-leader for this would mean it'll be harder to spread their SteamOS to other manufacturers. Had that happened, why bother making small form factor PCs if Valve eats up the market with their aggressive pricing? At this point the best thing Valve should do is take the ridicule and sell these things as is; Valvefags will buy these things anyway. Also they might have other manufacturers and devs interested in SteamOS adoption down the line, thanks to Steam Machine casting the spotlight on small form factor PC.
>>741848938It's safer dealing with commodities.
>>741840589But who actually needs the form factor? Someone who doesn't have space/another room to run an hdmi from, but can drop $1400 on an underpowered pc? It makes no sense
>>741849617Normies who have friends. Lots of people like that are very concerned with what their devices look like, specially when they are in a visible location.
>>741849617People who just can't be arsed with building a PC themselves and have more money than sense. There are a lot of them out there.
>>741827524I love how it took this long for steamies to catch up.All that money you keep shoveling into the fat greedy cunts ass and what do you get back?Nothing but a bunch of rented licenses.If there was anyone with soul and care at valve they could have set this price low to give people an option in these insane inflation times and still have all the fuck you money because of all the gambling and cancerous 30% tax leech on every game purchase.
>>741827524They saw that people boughted the deck and most play time was while they were logged into their home network and thought there is a demand for overpriced and underperforming hardware.
>>741827524Its being smart, stop focusing on it as its a niche product. They dont try to sell it to the whole world, just making a niche product.
>>741844302You are bad at your job.
>>741827524>>commits the same mistake literally by the book after almost 15 years and didn't learn a single thingActually the most important mistake they did 15 years ago that directly caused the failure of Steam Machine mk1 was that even though they relied on Linux they believed devs would go out of their way to support their custom Linux operating system. In Mk2 they flipped that on its head by making their custom Linux OS support all Windows games, they tested it with the Steam Deck and it was a massive success (for Valve Hardware standards anyway).Steam Machine will sell out despite its price. There are people that actually bought the 1TB Steam Decks even though they were quite overpriced, considering the actual price of the SSDs they had at the time compared to the cheaper options. There are also people that bought the Steam Decks even after the very recent 50% price hikes. Poorfags and Valve's RAM and SSD procurement department will seethe about the price hike but it's gonna be a success regardless.
>>741845590You don't even need to play games in the first place. Non argument. If you might as well, you might as well.
>>741831408aye mayne das troo iss greed nigguh he shud be gibsingmedats for free mayne what that cracka need all that money fo i hate him, here's my paypal he shud send me mone and sheeit
>>741850586>Steam Machine will sell out despite its price.because its basically a soft cancellation of the project and they havent produced anymore than 1 batch which they will sell off to die hard fans and scalpersthe steam machine will not sell any numbers beyond batch 1
>>741827524>just sell a prebuild PC at a huge loss broImpressive business acumen
>>741850917Yes, no shit. why are you acting like that’s some kind of big secret they are trying to hide?
>>741850917This is only true if the situation gets even worse. Yeah they are for sure not gonna make any more when the current price starts looking cheap.
>>741851181quietly cancelling the project does not count as a success anon
>>741830042>>741830191>>741835272Wow, companies make..........profit!?This is why we despise you fucking zoomers and why this is a time where your complaints against a company ARE sheer entitlement.Don't buy their product, you fucking entitled zoomer. Learn to be a consumer, not an eternal entiled faggots who think corporation are your friends. You are buying a fucking luxury good.
>>741830649I already have a far better PC, the fuck would I do with a shitcube?
>>741845998>>741846116No company sells or wants to sell at a loss, you fucking retard. Thats right fucktard, when Sony "sells at a loss", they aren't trying to lose money, you retard.If company sold at a loss, they die. Maybe this might shock you, but companies actually have costs, they also tend to fund these costs with debt, and need to make a profit or they die.
