Well, it was a massive disappointment. The plot didn't move one bit, no question was answered, no lore bit was dropped and Noelle x Sussie is forced down our throats outside the weird route. I would say this is even worse than chapter 3 because it's supposed to be the begining of the last half of the game, but doesn't feel as such.
>>741833604Deltarune won't live up to the expectations and it's funny how despite the visual, musical and mechanical improvements it fails to deliver a proper narrative. I don't care if it's not finished yet, there's only 2 chapters left and no way in Hell they will wrap up nicely.
Why are tranny jannies deleting all Deltarune threads? What was wrong with https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/741828913/
reminder that the gooners fucking killed onion and are feeding his remains to the townsfolk under the guise of 'takoyaki'
>>741833604>lets have one last fun adventure and have a boring dragging on shitfest that is still somehow a thing in the later chapters and completely kill the momentum chapter 4 hadlol
When everything has been said and done after this game fully releases, will it be worth revisiting to (you) gameplay wise?I had fun on some of the chapters, but it'll be a hard sell when there's so many other games I'd rather replay.And if not, is the mystery of what's coming next chapter the only thing that keeps your interest?I think this might be the case with me.
>>741833604>Asgore confirms the Dark World was related to the incident with Dess>The Knight kidnapping Asgore means Carol is getting rid of him >Kris has a bunch of missed phone calls at the end, this combined with Asgore's fate means their plans might be accelerating due to Rudy fucking dying to Christmas lights>Ralsei shows more development towards seeing himself as a person and wanting to escape the prophecy's end>Noelle and Susie are basically dating now instead of beating around the bush>The gang got another code for their endgame>Noelle will get dragged into the plot while Kris is still trying to do his schizo shenanigansI swear most of the players would rather get a Power Point presentation dropping a bunch of 'lore' than a fucking game. Have some joy, we will be getting plenty of lore and angst in the coming chapters
The worst part is is that up until next chapter we have barely anything to discuss.
>>741834659im going to be honest, at this point i think i'd rather wait for a fangame that's "deltarune but more of an RPG"
SAY ITSAY ITSAY ITSAY IT
>>741834694Ralsei makes it very obvious in this chapter but he acknowledges that Kris has made some fountains and that he was largely relying on You to stop the prophecy and that at this point, you have his 100% support on trying to find a different ending.
>>741834694Lets be real 90% of these threads are just seething that their stupid ship was sunk.
Uuu!
Someone post Noelle's water portraits again.
>>741834694thats all well and good but toby’s shit writing made all of that seem like a nothingburger
>no cool big fight with the platformer mechanics>the platformer section on Flowery's fight was shorter than the reused Chapter 4 pillar gimmickFuck you Toby, if you're gonna introduce something like that at least give me something that isn't just easy mandatory fights.
I've been thinking and maybe the dark worlds of chapters 4 and 5 should have been swappedso flower king before and then churchthat way the big cliffhanger of chapter 5 would be the titan + prophecy revealright now having flower king be a silly adventure after the entire end of chapter 4 feels very tonally wrong, susie isn't even that worried after chapter 5 or even before when she knows about the prophecy, feels really off
>>741833604This chapter
If I had a nickel for every time something came out this month spent too much time on LGBTBBQ issues instead of the actually interesting plot, I'd have two.
>>741834713Yeah, easily the worst partMost of the big revelations were just solidifying what many deeper fans had already suspected and spelling it out for those that aren't as tapped in (which isnt necessarily a bad thing, especially as those plot points become much more important now)But with nothing else new to work with outside of broader DR-UT connection theory stuff, its basically as if this chapter never even dropped
>>741834659>When everything has been said and done after this game fully releases, will it be worth revisiting to (you) gameplay wise?No I don't see myself replaying this the same way I do with Undertale. It's too long, has too many boring segments and the mistery is what keeps me around. I want to see thst fever dream ending Toby had, but if it has anything to do with the increasibgly annoying dyke duo I don't think I will ever come back here, even if I come bsck to Undertale periodically.Undertale was perfectly imperfect. It was meaningful and had a strong emotional impact on me. Deltarune is just dragging on and on with theories and lore bits being the only interesting part of the game to me. And now, in chapter 5, I don't even have that anymore.
>>741834694>Have some joy, we will be getting plenty of lore and angst in the coming chaptersLol
>>741834954If he shows up next chapter, I might reconsider my opinion of the rest of the game.
Two chapters isn't enough to close up these loose ends in a satisfying manner.Weird route skips a fucking chapter, so we won't even get answers there within the next year and a half.Releasing this chapter on its own, and not bundled with 3&4 like planned is probably the biggest mistake Toby has made since So Sorry.
>>741834723Thats' a concept that's so foreign to the games audience that no one in the 10+ years of Deltarunes existence even bothered to try it.
>>741834929It's posts like this that make me glad you fags aren't writing the game. The whole POINT is that it feels off. Susie's blatantly slipping further into her role in the prophecy so firmly that she learns about the meta aspects and isn't even bothered. The weird degrading NPCs are hanging around the festival eating chopped up bits of Onion San. Susie's actively self-retconning her own memories and forgetting about her own established character traits, and not in a "the writing sucks" way, but in a very direct and intentional and acknowledged way. It's a "silly adventure" only if you're looking at the surface, but the darkness is closing in.Like Toby said, it's like looking at the sun as it sets.
>>741834904It'll show up again like the wall climbing did trust the planIt was only easy shit in ch5 because immediately making a new mechanic too hard would be too much of a difficulty spike, which would make people resent the mechanic itself
>>741833604It’s pretty funny that I see a lot of people having this chapter as their favorite chapter simply because it had a tiny semblance of actual gameplay for once.
>>741835139ch5 still would be received poorly here even if it was with 3&4 due to it being such a big step down compared to the prior 2 chapters what was toby thinking having 2 filler chapters right in the middle of the story?
>>741835202nah anon all that stuff is just stupid, why would susie be all happy and chill after asgore was fucking kidnapped? or at the festival when she knows the end of the prophecy?
>>741835218like with purple soul mode?
>>741833604>the festival was just toby’s excuse to make the most melodramatic, boring yurishit imaginable>no gameplay during>no actual festival events with some effort put into them>just mediocre townsy shit before the yuri declaration and a swift jump into the dark worldit wasn’t even GOOD filler
>>741833604which ones bros? i cant imagine aqua's knife being better than the black shard
>>741835317where is that?
>>741835251It would have still been weak, yes. But waiting a year for it made it land even worse. Hell, it feels like the chapters are in the wrong order now, It should have gone 3 5 4 to actually keep rising tension and story progression feeling meaningful.
I love her
>>741835367after secret boss
>>741835283>why would susie be all happy and chill after asgore was fucking kidnapped? or at the festival when she knows the end of the prophecy?Because she's slipping into her role, retard. Everyone is. She literally ends the chapter by retreating into the Dark World to welcome Noelle into her delusions.
>>741833604Its incredible that you guys expect anything from this gay therapycore game
>>741835391she's definitely the best part of the new chapter
>>741835414I expected yuri.
>>741834694>just wait for the next chapters bro! It's gonna be kino!He's going to pull a hussie and you know it.
Why is there a deliberate story theme in this chapter about Kris getting Susie stolen from him by Noelle? It's fucking brutal. My cope is that this is all meta and it's part of Susie being mind raped by prophecy. The game gives you so many Krusie choices and then specifically makes them back fire except for trolling Noelle at the ferris wheel (which is to just confirm Kris likes Susie and Noelle is now aware kek). When we have to go back in time i better be able to save my purple wife, I cannot believe toby is so cruel that he would confirm Kris love for susie AND cuck him in the same chapter
>>741833604Reblog, please look forward to next product!>>741835414Reblog, check your privilege!
>media that releases in chapters wants to string you along for as long as possibleWow, say it ain't so!
>>741835414well the last one was actually fucking good this one sat there and proved just about every troll on here right with a literal gay nigger
What happens in the weird route?I'm not playing through Ch2 onward to do it myself
>>741835314Well it's probably the last time you will visit the town that way.
>>741835562noelle and kris drown themselves in the lake to glitch out of bounds
>>741835562double lake suicide (to be continued in chapter 7)
So I tried going weird route but After the lake scene Noelle was like "just kidding nothing happened" and the chapter proceeded as normal.Did I do something wrong? Not mashing fast enough?
Did anyone else notice Ralsei's pronouns got changed to they/them after the soda scene? Happy for their egg to get cracked
jesus christ flowery is the worst fucking fightchapter 1 is no longer the worst
>>741835667you gotta PROCEED faster yes
>>741835562probably there's a hatch to the bunker at the bottom of the lake.
>>741835667(you) made noelle aware that her life is a simulation and she's just an npc in itthings are different, but you're still locked in and now noelle will slowly be going mental
>>741833604It was pretty shit, yeah. None of the tracks were popping. Suselle out of fucking nowhere with Susie acting like a lovestruck idiot in a bad way. Kris kept getting shafted on. Ralsei having plenty of opportunities to give contextual information, but didn't. The different flowers were cool enough I suppose, but there was still a constant sense of "these people weren't my friends," and there was also a definite feel of a lack of "narrative continuity" between Asgore's Dark World and all the other ones. The dumb weeb shoutouts were fun enough I guess.
>>741835667drown yourself better and faster
>>741835510>about Kris getting Susie stolen from him by Noelle? It's fucking brutal.Both of them are getting stolen, not just Susie, not just Noelle.Weird Route has established that SOMETHING is pushing people in the game's world towards predefined roles. Noelle can't be her own person, she has to be a Noelle. Kris used to fit into this, and Noelle watched you force him out of it; he's no longer just the pawn of the prophecy, he's something else, for better or for worse. What you're seeing in the main route is what happens when you let yourself fall into the Prophecy's clutches; Kris frees HIMSELF and acts with the Knight to remove key players from the prophecy, but it's not enough. Susie's too deep in her role; she keeps finding codes to the shelter because the prophecy needs her to. She keeps getting closer to Noelle because the prophecy needs her to. They've both lost their agency to such a degree that the Susie who questioned the brief glimpses of meta elements she got in Ch1-4, the Susie who was going to ask Kris what the fuck WE were before she ran off to talk to Gerson at the end of 4, is gone. She's not Susie, she's The Girl, With Hope Crossed On Her Heart.Side-B isn't an escape either. It's just another role to fall prey to. There's another way.
>>741835728Ralsei refusing to give (You) specifically any important information is pretty consistent though.
>>741833604the lesbian date third wheel bit was the worst part but it was all worth it for sweet weird route KINO
how the fuck is flowery harder than knight this feels straight up broken
Fun fact! All of the flowers are over 18 yrs old, so no one can moral fag about jerking off to Aqua
>>741835807both flowery and pink felt really difficult and not in a fun way like the knight
>>741835776>There's another way.that will be to just make your own ending (laughs)
>>741835807SHE got me in more trouble than I expected.What is she supposed to be a pixie, or something?
/sus/game will save us
>>741835871actually true, since asgore and toriel were married before asriel was born and he's at least 21
>>741835731>>741835726>>741835702So have we found any major differences in aborted weird route this time? I didn't go far in but the dialogue was a little different when you met up with Ralsei.
>>741835202Bro, you're giving Toby too much credit. He's guilty of the same thing that almost every single piece of media that's been written by millenials is guilty of - an inability to be sincere and trying to subvert everything because "traditional storytelling is considered to be bad." And I say this as a millenial. The problem is that the average millenial has consumed nothing but derivative works instead of going back to the source, so he thinks that subverting the tropes and format is good; instead of REFINING it. Whatever. I don't even know why I'm bothering. Chapter 5 actively bummed me out.
>>741835873You just gotta mash your dash button and hold left desu with flowery
>>741835873seths attack is complete fucking bullshit
>>741835895she's kris as a child
>>741835895Aqua coloured onahole for when i get tired of my blueberry kris onahole
>>741835776>>741835895What if I don't want to eat the path?
>reach the end of the game>the prophecy ends as foretold, everyone dies, screen goes dark>Kris wakes up back in day 1how mad would you be?
>>741835975it's easy if you just don't go for all the greens
>>741835936aborting it is when noelle realizes her life is fakeproceeding seems like her and kris go out of bounds
>>741835218>It was only easy shit in ch5 because immediately making a new mechanic too hard would be too much of a difficulty spikeThat's what optional content is for, could've given the secret boss a segment with that but instead we got jack shit.
THE FUCKING DASH DOES NOT WORK PROPERLYI'M ABOUT TO SMASH MY FUCKING TV BECAUSE OF THIS FAGGOT FUCKING GAME
>>741835994Then you'll get the ending.The only ending there could ever be.
the amount of femkris fuel in this chapter was fucking wild
>>741834496Janny's working harder than usual in hopes of getting triple his usual pay.
>>741833604Damn it feels good to be gayEat my ass chuds you lost
>>741835943some subversion would have been a good thing the peot barely moved an inch and the festival was awful like a year ago i remember going >oh SHIT were doing this now? when we fought the titan and knight when everyone thought that wasn't until multiple chapters away and it was awsome but this was just a letdown like i was expecting whole new plot elements on par with the prophecy
I'm so fucking sick of tobys vagueposting.
>>741835980wrong, she's ralsei as a child
>>741836018>reach end of the game>the lake is drained>it's actually Mt Ebott>games forcibly starts Undertale
>>741835728>lack of "narrative continuity" between Asgore's Dark World and all the other ones>literal callbacks to chapter 1 and undertale the entire chapter
>>741835317Get her anyway. We must keep her.
>>741836039short charge itlong charges will just get you killed outside of the kicking attack
>>741835936Before the Aborted route continues, there's a blurb that says "A Noelle will always be a Noelle".But otherwise I doubt anything will change.
So Gaster didn't count on US breaking out of bounds right?
>>741836149if anything the chapter felt overloaded with callbacks and pointing at how different Susie has become, its a setup for some terrible existential stuff
>>741836124>but this was just a letdown like i was expecting whole new plot elements on par with the prophecyWeird route revealing that the characters are being actively forced into prophecy roles even when they didn't originally fit in is WAY more impactful than the prophecy being some regular immutable fate, though. It's gone from your standard "defy fate" trope to "oh fuck it's actively rewriting Susie to fit her in".
>>741836018>* There's a note on the nightstand. You don't recognize the handwriting>* "find yourself. starting back."
>>741835510Susie? What about Noelle? Kris has known her for years and years, do you have any idea how long it may be that Kris has simped for her? And how he can do nothing but watch because you have control? I saw it as the cuckening.
>>741836124I'm fine with not having a lore dump, but we weren't told anything revelatory, like we were in all the other chapters:>Chapter 1Dark World exists>Chapter 2Opening multiple fountains causes the world to end>Chapter 3The Knight shows up and is another Lightener>Chapter 4The Prophecy and the TitanWell. I guess Chapter 5 has "this has happened before," but it's all so vague. Asgore/Ralsei could've been more direct, ESPECIALLY when they both saw what keeping information from people does.
I now believe in RudyKnight because it’s be funny for this chapter>fall on your ass and pass out, needing to be rushed to the hospital >wakes up thanks to your knight sense to feel the presence of a Dark Fountain >when you're alone quickly rush to the fountain and get that shit done right away>after that's done rush back to the hospital >this doesn't happen in the Weird Route because no fountain was opened so you're still in the hospital
>>741836124the only good way to do subversion these days it to do it out of love, you present the subversion but then rugpull by reaffirming the thing you were subverting is actually a good thing after all
>>741835895Combining a slightly airheaded, childish, but effeminate attitude with an affinity for surprisingly visceral violence is a pretty generic Asian trope in general. She's Rumia.
4 > 5 > 2 > 3 > 1This is objective fact and there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise
>>741836168eh, there's room for aborting to lead into the twisted sword being its own route. but i'm done theoryfagging, toby is clearly spitewriting at this point.
>>741836127embrace the vaguepostingblue represents the forgotten man, who's identity is everymanyellow represents the knight, who is obsessed with dishing out perverted justice. it blames undyne and asgore for what happened oh so long ago, which is why it kidnapped them.cyan flower is kris as a child. kris is a girl, and a little fucking shit.flowery outright calls ralsei a girl, and asgore calls ralsei a they/them.susie gets weird about ralsei's comments on humans not having tails, supporting the half-human susie theory.
>>741836152We CAN'T she's a FLOWER
>>741836309I'd put 3 above 2 but otherwise, very correct ranking.
>>7418363094 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 5maybe 5 will grow on me but as it stands i was left disappointed and feeling bad for my boy kris
>>741836359Yeah this is pretty much spot on here
>>741836276No yeah, as soon as you get out there's an allusion to Kris feeling different about Noelle. Hell, it was confirmed that Kris wouldn't flirt with the people they're into when they are asked by it. And they don't flirt with Noelle AT ALL. Even Susie/Ralsei/Berdly, we can make them flirt with, but they don't allow any avenue for Noelle (unless its weird route).
>>741836162i'm trying but the timing changes every turn and orange is so fucking delayed it's worse than elden ring
just got to bluedont even feel like finishing the chapter desu
>>741836283"This has happened before" is fucking huge. Especially combined with "Ralsei didn't know". It implies that this current iteration of the Dark World is tied with what we know as the Prophecy, which itself implies earlier iterations of the Dark World could be tied to earlier iterations of the Prophecy.
Is it me or does this chapter's secret boss feels like it's taking forever compared to the others? Anyway here's my ranking for the secret bosses2 > 1 > 4 > 3 >>>>> 5
>>741835943This. As much as I want Deltarune to have a deeper meaning, one that is actually as inspired as some of the theories that get bandied about, it's not going to happen. Toby Fox is not a genius auteur who has a profound understanding of the human condition, he's a fucking weeb who happened to mash up enough tropes from anime and creepypastas to activate the neurons of easily influenced millennials.
>>741836309>>7418363592 > 4 > 5 > 3 > 1Nothing can surpass the hype of discovering the weird route for the first time or spamton.
3>4>5>2>1
>>741836490all ch2 has is spamton and the weird route without it it's pretty whatever, queen and burghly are funny but not enough to carry the chapter
>>741836478I fucking hated it, but the kris/ralsei lore was huge if you're not retarded and can piece clues togetherkris' body is ralsei, everything kris does without us in her is ralsei's doing.WE are the soul.
Thought this chapter was ass so I euthanized toby fox. Next time you remake undertale in samsara please eviscerate all ideas for noelle
>Weird route revealing that the characters are being actively forced into prophecy roles even when they didn't originally fit can you explain what you mean with this?
>>741836619I have no fucking clue how you came to that conclusion, and I was paying attention the whole chapter.
i do not like any of the deltarune characters, in fact i kinda dislike all of them, undertale characters also became unlikable in deltarune. weird route shenanigans are really the only good thing about this game
>>741836478it did feel like it went on for a while yeah, but i can't say with certainty that it's longer than spamton neo and gerson
>>741836426Actually it doesn't, after they flash white wait some microseconds then release it, it always works
>>741836637You double niggerYou are supposed to pray the gay away not kill him
>>741836694it means what we already thought is correct the prophecy doesn't care about the specifics, as long as it gets fulfilled nothing else matters
>>741835943>toby of all fucking people is subverting for subversion's sake because the tropes I like got subverted this timeDamn, you're retarded.
>>741836694Kind of reminds me of scooby doo mystery inc where the gang finds out their dynamic is a part of an ancient predestined group to fight cthulu Even fred and daphne question if their love for each other is real or not after finding it out
>>741836482I'm fine with it not having a deeper meaning. I'm honestly looking for something that isn't trying to have deeper meaning. Just a bunch of dumb kids that save the world, played completely unironically. But due to irony poisoning (great phrase), nobody can just do that anymore. Shitsux.>>741836474I'm not saying it's not a big deal, but again, the fact that it got completely glossed over. Like with the other stuff, we interacted with:>Chapter 1: Dark WorldGet to experience the basics of the mechanics and stuff, full immersion.>Chapter 2: Multiple FountainsI would agree that it was very much a failure of "show, don't tell;" but at the same time it did show that multiple Lighteners are possible and that they can open dark fountains.>Ch 3: KnightWe get to fight it directly and it kicks out ass up and down the curb unless you're really good (or cheat). >Ch 4: Titan and ProphecyWe get to see a bunch of the prophecy and watch the characters talk about it; and we get to fight and beat the TitanNone of that happened for Chapter 5. We got some cool new mechanics and some lore tidbits, but the major revelation wasn't talked about or experienced at all.
>>741833604Raped her lol
>>741836761yeah we figured that out 3 weeks after chapter 4
>>741836359>i was left disappointed and feeling bad for my boy krisI'm not saying it is, but if it was MEANT to make you feel bad to have a better payoff in later chapters, would you rate it higher?
>>741836018>reach the end of the game>screen goes dark>Undertale exe opens itself automatically
Love this little brat
>>741835618>>741835630Cool segmentis he really gonna just skip it in Ch 6? It's the most interesting part of the game beyond Susie's escapism obsession
>>741836763Yes? Bro, he hangs out with Hussie who destroyed Homosuck because "real people don't have character arcs," and because it's quirky.
>>741836427you sound like more of a fag than blue is
>>741836719not to sound like a cunt but I have a tested IQ of 140~ so maybe I can just piece clues together better than you.flowery outright uses "princesses" in plural and calls ralsei "princess" to his face in one of the missable cutscenes.flowery's snide remarks to ralsei about "people who make fountains are bad" which gets ralsei flusteredasgore calls ralsei a they/them and hopes that they learn to be comfortable with themselfaqua, the chaotic knife-obsessed little girl, blatantly being a kris parallelthe entire premise of the madmewmew fight where ralsei offers mewmew advice on how to get along with her sentient body and how the body has its own hopes and desires and shouldn't be treated as just a puppet
>>741836694it means susie and noelle are both actively being mindraped by fate because "love finds its way to the girl" is an immutable fact of the universe and despite neither of them really wanting it they're forced together anyway
i got the mystery key where's the door? about to seal fountain
>>741836894>not to sound like a cunt but I have a tested IQ of 140Berdley, I NEED you to kill yourself.
>>741835692Twink/prettyboy erasure is a very real problem in vidya and I’m tired of pretending otherwise
>>741836861>"real people don't have character arcs,"Tbf thats not an incorrect statement.
>>741836857it is possible there is an alternate route if you let kris and noelle drown instead of PROCEEDING, since that changes some stuffbut it is still unknown at the moment, better wait for the dataminers
>>741836825maybealthough i don't want to do it anytime soon, i'll probably replay the chapter again and choose different options to get more info from noelle and susieall i want at his point is for kris to have even a glimmer of happiness instead of the non stop despair he seems to be wallowing in
>>741836938not my fault you're a faget, you're just gonna have to accept the reality of afab non-binary ralseikris
>>741836908After the room where they start acting on their own during the platforming section, you're gonna wanna fall down at the end to the left.
>>741836427>>741836908at the top of the castle, when you see the golden flowers on the bush to get to the last fight with all the flowers at the end of the boss rush, go left instead.
I hope Ch. 6 is a Kris chapter the same way Chapter 5 is a Ralsei chapter
>>741836894that makes no fucking sense though because isn't Kris' body also the husk colluding with the knight?
>>741836908In the last room go all the way to the leftWhen you get through the jump arrow puzzle and get to the rest area and go down the gap without flowers
>>741837015I hope Ch 6 is the vessel we made in Ch 1's time to shine
>>741837002He said Princesses because Kris, Ralsei and Susie are all girls. Idiot.
Even after all this time Spamton still hasn't been beat how the fuck did he still not get surpassed yet?
I didn't think I'd get my fill of uoh this chapter
>>741836992One of the reasons we tell stories is to learn from them. They communicate patterns of behavior that are beneficial to human development and thus, a maturing/growing human does have character arcs, that when analyzed externally/dispassionately can be recognized to fit into a standard narrative structure.
The weird route is really the only interesting thing in the game currently, ins't it?
I just got done with everything the new chapter got to offer, I am shocked that I seen 3 threads shitting on it, I liked it a lot. Story wise wasn't the best but I was kinda blown away by the gameplay
>>741836825yeah but it clearly isn't maybe he'll change it mind and retroactively change it to fit that narrative but the game obviously wants you to be happy for susie and noelle
>>741837071Because he's always been a [Big Shot]
>after the crazy shit that were the 3 and 4 eggs, chapter 5 egg is relegated to a return of the annoying dog and reverting back to vague shit>thematically dissonant secret boss which hardly has any connections with those prior (seriously why does she even have a shadow crystal?????)weird route was fucking heavy which partially makes up for the previous two lacking i guess, though the chapter 7 bait is annoying also
>>741836992Yeah, but fictional characters aren't real people. You can't be an iconoclast when the rest of your universe is an animist fantasy with formalist presentation.
>>741837075and they even made her catchphrase "uuu"
>>741837096General consensus is the gameplay was great, but most of us are disappointed with the story not progressing much, and Suselle being so poorly written we're beginning to think it's literally prophecy brainwashing and not real romance.
i hope the susie overswung finale isint a huge fucking disappointment like this was
>>741837087The Weird Route and Main Route go hand-in-hand. They're both interesting and add to eachother.Main Route literally gets completely reframed by Weird Route, and vice versa.
>>741837096Gameplay was mid. Sure, there were new mechanics, but the way they were implemented was lacking most of the time.
I do really hope the next dark world antagonist is another bitter asshole like ch1's King, we've been having too much fun, what better time to shake Susie's idea of the adventures being a fun time than the one time they choose to bring Noelle
you guys hyped yourself up now you have to cope when the story is mid or bad
don't care about this shit game, but was there any hot character introduced for my faps?
>>741837087YesGenocide was one of the more interesting parts of Undertale too at least until the slog
>>741837186Seth
>>741837087yes, but the weird route wouldn't be interesting by itself. the normal route has to exist as a foil otherwise it would just be trite meta garbage.
Fore the loreniggas I think the lore we were supposed to lap up was all Asgore related, which tangentially relates to Dess. I guess people really didn't care for it because it's just backstory for a side character.
>>741836894I'm not seeing it. You could maybe view these as evidence for FemKris, but it's nothing concrete.
>Tobias accidentally comes up with a better gameplay system than the one he's built his game around.Man I hope the platforming sections aren't a one off
>>741837186Seth if you like They/Thussy. Cyan if you're a pedophile. Ralsei's probably a girl now, so there's that angle too.
>>741837186Depends how depraved you are
>>741837186Tasque Manager in a nun outfit otherwise no
>>741837186yes we have cunny now probably thanks to zun
>>741837219Xhe's trans tho
>>741837021ralsei is colluding with the knight, yes, and is fucking terrified.> Do you know what happens, if I don't follow the rules! EVERYTHING! Will fall! Apart!! You... YOU THINK I WANT IT TO BE LIKE THIS!?
>>741837238How much do you want to bet that he got inspired from playing Hollow Knight? This isn't a jab at him or anything, maybe he'll even make a platforming game in the future.
>>741837263They/them literally means a girl who wants to be included in the alphabet group, nothing else.
>>741837214err, was it though? it only had basically two hard boss fights and a cool ending really, weird route os giving new interesting shit every time at least.
>The Man was a literal nothingburger in his final encounter and doesn't even speak after his previous ultra based encounter
>>741837263It's a flowerIt has both parts
>>741836993Copied from the wiki:"The rest of the chapter plays out as normal, but it's worth noting that this does not appear to count as a proper abort, as the sound that usually plays whenever the Weird Route is aborted does not play. While the internal flag associated with aborting a Weird Route is still set to 1 (Flag 916), another previously unused flag is also set (Flag 1743), which also triggers a few changes later in Chapter 5. This implies that it may not be an abort, but a different alternate route entirely."Maybe alternate main route? Maybe...
>>741837135eggs won't lead to anything satisfying, it's just secrets for the sake of secrets. same for the shadow crystals, there's no theme between the bosses it's just beat the secret boss to get an item.
>>741837186Carol
>>741833604I'm playing it right nowThe shipping shit was cancer but the darkworld has been alright so far. This should've happened before chapter 4, going back to this tone just doesn't fit and this chapter barely seems to notice that it was after chapter 4 anyway
>>741837096Nobody plays Deltarune for the gameplay. It's filler.
>Ralsei is gonna transition
>>741837071>sad backstory>quirky and memorable speech pattern>pathetic nobody ascended to godhood>secret boss form is subtle callback to previous game>relevant in both story paths, but doesn't overstay his welcome>great ost's
>red screen>thorn route sfxwhat did asgore do to blame himself so hard
>>741837279It does also make the whole Knight fight a bit weird too. So both the soul and Kris are collaborating with the Knight, but then Kris hides the soul away in Chapter 4 and Ralsei gets swooned during the fight. I can't quite wrack my brain around that.
>>741837390The different drinks were themed around the main characters you dumb fag. Stop forcing this retarded tranny Ralsei meme.
>>741837401he likely killed dess (she was possessed by a shadow demon)
>>741837390No, it's a Mulan situation, Ralsei's ALWAYS been a girl, but played the role of prince for the prophecy. Less tranny, more Naoto Shirogane.
>secret boss this chapter is a tranny that splits in two how is this not a schizo boss again? he thinks he's a woman
I fell in love like a coolhttps://files.catbox.moe/1ah7xu.jpeg
>>741837407The soul isn't collaborating shit. Kris and Ralsie are.
>>741836903>despite neither of them really wantingbut maybe they do want it
>>741837096I was having so much fun with the platforming sections and the flowers' interactions that I actually found myself thinking "goddammit another random battle" at times
So asgore was 100% hot glueing the anime figurine that the mad dummy was possessing right?
>>741837186Aqua
>>741837442Krusie-tier copium
>>741837457ZASED
>>741837407ralsei is kris' dark world mouthpiece is the simplest interpretation.
>>741837263in my headcanon Seth is a femboy nerd
>>741837390i would kill myself if truedon't rugpull me like this toby
>>741836490I put 4 higher than 2 because of snap crackle and pop whatever the fuck their names were. Opening to 2 sucks.
Hey bros, haven't finished the chapter yet (played twice today, needed a rest both times, it was way longer than I expected)Are you giving spoilers already? I'm surprised you've finished the chapter so fast
>>741837436
>>741837447I know mentally ill people might read it as a trans allegory, but maybe the ghost is just happy to have a corporeal form? Is it really even trans at all if you can possess whatever you want to?
>>741837501UOOOH
Holy shit the Susie and Noelle yuri is hot fucking garbage. They have absolutely 0 chemistry because "Toby wrote that they love each other!" Why does Toby keep pushing this when it's legitimately teenage fanfic levels of bad?Anyways do we know what the parts ZUN contributed to this chapter were? And did anyone notice any explicit 2hu references because I sure didn't.
>>741837071>million jevil references>absolutely no spamton this chapter, not even a single dealmaker commentToby better bring him back when it matters the mosthim and jevil are the only two darkner that actually saty in yoir inventory every single chapter after you get them so he better make them fucking count
>>741837390don't know if tranny ralsei or he is calling out how much of a bitch he is being about meta powers
>>741836047Is there? There was much more evidence for tranny Ralsei.
did you guys find friend?I found friend and that made me happy
>>741837436It's they/them now, chud >>741835692
>>741837561Susie wore Reimus bow at some point
>>741837501aquas a dude you know
>>741833604>TADC ends in lesbian bullshittery>Deltarune ends in lesbian bullshitteryI have AGP fatigue.
>>741837562
>>741837562>absolutely no spamton this chapterThere are a lot though, mostly on Flowery attack patterns
was there anything else to susie reacting to ralsei saying that orange isn't a human because they have a tail?
On a scale of 0 to 10, how /gross/ are we feeling?
>>741837564He's mocking Ralsei by pointing out he called himself a princess earlier. He's calling him gay.
>>741835692Oh Jesus Christ. Toby, what are you doing?
>>741837626flowery uses "princesses" in plural when talking to the fun gang.
>>74183762510 gross for what they did to Ralsei
>>741835202I want to believe you but I don't think of Toby as a good enough writer to this deliberately, so I'm just going to assume it isn't deliberate
I think we need to abandon the idea of Deltarune having a satisfying ending
>>741837472For me it's big eyebrows mew mew
>>741837537instant_loss_2koma mating_press this faggot
>>741837625Please give me some good Noelle to wash away the shit of the main route
>>741837562the game peaked with spamton
Ralsei is STILL hiding shit. wtf is this faggot's problem?
Yo, did you see Ceroba in that store?
>>741837664I've accepted that since TADC fumbled so hard, was cautious since deltarune has similar signs and chapter 5 just solidified that
>>741837602>>Deltarune ends in lesbian bullshitteryIt's incredible how many illiterate shipfag retards this chapter is outing.The game literally SCREAMS at you that something is deeply fucking wrong with Side-A Susie/Noelle and you fags are still in every thread bitching like it's the main focus of the story for the sake of Toby's yuri fetish and not an existentially horrifying nightmare scenario the game is aware of being such.
>>741837625-1 because the weird route was 15 fucking minutes and skipping chapter 6
...if it's anything other than 'Ralsei's been a girl this whole time pretending to be the prince' I'll smash Toby's head in with a brick.
>>741837626>>741837651no he also has been calling ralsei out for hiding the fact he knows meta powers while flowey is using them like candy before jobbing to the knightor both since this is toby
>>741835139This should've been released with chapter 6It would be another chapter 3 and 4 situation
>>741837457please please what is your artist name, this shit is too good
>>741837593confirmed girl, retard
>>741837703No, but I did see Starlo as one of the Shis.
>>741837390why did toby choose the only character to be implied to have killed himself later? or in other reality idfk. is it just do to his lewds being the hottest or he acting like faggot all the time?
Tell me, does anything go differently if you triggered all of the kris-susie flags?I haven't bothered to make another save for it yet
>>741837709you should have noticed when 3+4 barely answered anything and opened a shit ton of plot threads that two chapters won't likely close satisfactorily
>>741837457Good shit my dude, keep drawing gay shit
>>741837457i can handle they/them pussy
>>741837689I liked how her voice bleep changed when she did those faces>>741837712honestly most people will look past that because "look, lesbians!", unless it slapped them directly in their facelet's hope toby doesn't fumble
>>741837735the knight obliterates him because meta powers are fake, they only work on the knight in chapter 3 because it was stalling and following the rules. in ch. 5 he had asgore so no reason to stall that shit
>mandatory suselle shoved down your throat unless you do snowgrave and rush for the beach>mandatory blue/yellow gay romance shoved down your throat>2 of the flowers go by they/them and there's an entire conversation dedicated to seth's pronouns>Undertale's arguable trans rep appears as the secret bossIs this the most queer chapter yet? Kind of shocking that Asgore wasn't humiliated further and instead realized that he should stop pursuing Toriel on his own terms. And what's even more shocking is that Burgerpants can only end up with the girls and he flat out rejects the gay ice cream man if you try having him go up.
>>741837459maybe they end up wanting it in the end, but susie clearly doesn't care in the previous chapters and noelle abandons her feelings for susie the INSTANT she gets a taste of freedom.
>>741837772it could be a futa
>>741837536Some people really took a day off to play this shit
>>741837282>maybe he'll even make a platforming game in the future.There is no way he's going to make another game once Deltarune is finished. This chapter reeks of "I'm so fucking sick of being a dev".
>>741837334>Ch1: freedom to choose if you care or not>Ch2: freedom to do as you please>Ch3: freedom to clobber children>Ch4: freedom to make your own path in life>Ch5: freedom to decide you want to live
>>741837760Don't eat bait. It makes them think it works
>>741837702We need to push him hard enough until he does Firegrave
toby only planned chapter 7/the last stretch is didn't he?
>>741837712>The game literally SCREAMS at you that something is deeply fucking wrong with Side-A Susie/Noelle and you fags are still in every thread bitching like it's the main focus of the story for the sake of Toby's yuri fetish and not an existentially horrifying nightmare scenario the game is aware of being such.Did we play a different Chapter 5There is no rug pull. There is no uncucking Kris. The entire festival was a yurifest that culminates in Susie catching feelings for Noelle, BRIDAL CARRYING HER THROUGH THE WATER, and Susie spends the rest of the Chapter thinking about Noelle.Consider the following: what we find demented and disturbing, Toby and yuritards find lovey dovey.
Asgore bros, how are we feeling?
>>741833604Just finished this Chapter 5 and I'm honestly at a loss for words at how shit it was>Festival was underwhelming, no minigames, only one Dojo fight, barely any interesting interactions and the whole "Festival King and Queen" stuff never mattered>More obnoxious Suselle moments shoved down your throat, and no worthwhile development compared to previous Chapters aside from them just making it official. Probably wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't insist on shitting on Kris as much as they did, especially that ending, god it was so fucking cruel>New Dark World was WAY too long and bloated for what it was. You could've cut down all three areas by half and it would've vastly improved the experience>New characters were lame outside of Aqua and Seth, and I could not for the life of me give one solitary fuck about Flowery, despite the game trying really hard to do so. I'm so fucking glad they're not coming back, fuck these guys (A>S>>>G>F>>>O>Y>>>>>>>>>>B)>Asgore stuff was actually tastefully done and doesn't make him into a weak pussy, but then he's unceremoniously ejected from the plot via The Knight who just showed up out of nowhere>Most of the new enemies were just okay, but man it really feels like they're just phoning it in with these guys. Their bullet patterns are so piss easy that it makes them anti-fun to fight>New 2D gimmick was neat, but REALLY overstayed its welcome and made each area feel cumbersome to go through, especially when backtracking for the Pink Coins. At least you didn't need to get all of them to fight the Shadow Crystal boss, but still>Speaking of, this Shadow Crystal boss is hands down the worst in the game, attacks were too busy and hard to read, and the fight gimmick was obnoxious and unnecessary. Really should've been FRIEND, who oddly enough doesn't show up in this Chapter at all(?)>The reward also sucks too, since 4 of the SIX FUCKING ITEMS you can get, of which you can choose only 3, are absolutely worthless(Cont.)
>>741837767No, you're literally forced to get cucked by noelle due to the rules of the universe forcing Susie and Noelle into their roles. This is why nothing changes even when you make Kris basically tells Susie he's actively crushing on a purple lizard
>>741837821Futa means pussy AND dick. Always has, always will. Anything else is a shemale or a dickgirl.
In trying not to have the flowers get sexualized Toby fucked up and gave us the sexiest fucking brat ever
>>741837712I like my /u/ toxic and rapey I don't fucking care tumblrina.
>>7418376252hufag, how do you feel about pink/mew mew?
>>741837870All in all, this was such a disappointment. It feels like nothing was really accomplished, which is amazing considering that even Chapter 3, with how long and time-wastey it was, still felt like it was building towards something great. This just feels like an overstuffed wankfest between Toby and his ever-expanding crew of gay retards who just want to make art merely for the sake of it as opposed to having a coherent end pointI genuinely have no idea how they're going to wrap up everything in just two Chapters, but they'd better start now or else it's going to join shit like Homestuck, TADC, Game of Thrones and Stranger Things in the ever expanding list of "shit that started out great but fell off towards the end to where it just does an acrobatic fucking pirouette into the pavement of quality"I haven't played the Weird Route for Chapter 5 yet, but after this first playthrough I'm wondering if I should even bother. Having to slog through all this again for both that AND a No Recruits run sound like such a fucking chore that I may just forget about it for the time being. Fuck this stupid Chapter, Toby better get back on his a-game for Chapter 6 or I'm not even gonna bother with the rest of it
>>741837760nigga seth constantly says HE
I was thinking that this game was gonna be neutral to the end in that front but goddamn this chapter was extremely gay.I'm very let down, I kind of don't want to keep playing this, congrats toby you fucking faggot, you just alienated me with all the lesbian and gay shit in this chapter. Also good job at doing this while not moving the plot forward at all.
>>741837810They're flowersThey don't even have gender lmaoAll darkners should be called "it"
>>741837869I'm glad he's finally moving on but man I wish he had some time with the flowers before we closed the fountain
>>741837870>Most of the new enemies were just okay, but man it really feels like they're just phoning it in with these guys. Their bullet patterns are so piss easy that it makes them anti-fun to fightpretty sure toby got tired of trying to innovate with his piss easy combat system, hence all the random rpg/platform filler
>>741837762Why were they called shi That was funny
>>741837909the weird route for chapter 5 is literally the only good thing about the entire shitshow. play it now before you get spoiled, and remember to spam proceed. you'll know what i mean.
>Flowers are all pretending to be humans>All have CLEAR GENDERS except Seth"Humans are genderless in UT/DR" fags BTFO
My nigga do anything this chapter?
>>741837712You've been saying this for years and it keeps getting harder to believe.
>>741837186New mew mew fight with bodily possession and forced flirtingIf you're into that sort of thing
>>741837896tell 'em sister
>>741837870friend shows up, bright red. friend is the player.
It's been weird seeing people talk about how the secret boss is too hard. The knight took me like, 2 or 3 literal hours, meanwhile this one I beat on my second or third try which is probably the least of all the secret bosses.Did I just improve between chapters or did other people find her to be on the easier side?
>>741837457I wanna get him pregnant
>>741837980He's running the Cafe in castle town. Very, very, very, VERY, poorly. It's on fire. A lot.
>>741837974I'd say the only clear gender is Yellow
The writing is definitely turning more leftist. I wouldn't be surprised if a future chapter features a Trump parody.
>>741837974isn't green also ambiguous?
This bitch desperately needs asgore cock
>how can toby conclude everything in two chapters?Retards all Toby has been constantly doing is raising the length of these chapters, 6 and 7 chapters are gonna obviously have a bazillion hours each, at least 7 definitively will.
>>741837909oh dont worry the weird route isint a slog at all
>>741838028aqua 100% gets called a she more than once
HOW THE FUCK DO I BEAT MEWMEWI HATE THIS FUCKING BOSS
>>741837702Nobody remembers him using fireballs in Ch1. He shoots one at King if you don't have any recruits at the end. I'm pretty sure Susie was there too so I dunno why she's surprised..
>>741838052at this rate, each chapter will be as long as an Undertale run
>>741837712thiseverything about susie and noelle feels fucking wrongsusie goes on about how much she wants to holde her and hear her heartbeat forever and how she likes her because noelle liked her first (????)then proceeds to completely ignore her actual problems and delude themselves in her dark world fantasies using noelle as an excuse since she might get us the codesmeamwhile noelel is literally forced by the game to act this way and the only time she snaps out of it during side a is when you show her your king and queen vote for Kris and hershit's completely fucked but most people have ' reading comprehension
>>741837937>darknersUmm, ackshually the game explicitly mentions that they aren't Lightners nor Darkners. Also they're also explicitly trying to be humans, them deciding on genders makes sense in that regard.
>>741837709Did the show made by a tranny had tranny stuff in it? Who could have ever expected that?!
>>741838052Six seven
>>741838028Flowery is a dudeYellow is a dudeBlue is a dude, a fag but a dudeGreen is a girlOrange is a girlAqua is a girlThe only uncertain one is SethBy dude and girl I mean they're called a she or a he, if you're a trannytard that thinks that gender and sex are different
>>741837712>existentially horrifying nightmare scenariospongebob_rollercoaster.jpg
>>741837810>Is this the most queer chapter yet?I think the number of queer relationships outnumber hetero relationships. Maybe that was always the case, but here it was so in-your-face that if I didn't know any better I'd think that Toby was intentionally trying to spread propaganda.>Kind of shocking that Asgore wasn't humiliated further and instead realized that he should stop pursuing Toriel on his own termsAsgore somehow had his most kino moments this chapter while doing next to nothing. Im in shock that he never gets any fights and just gets one-shot by the Knight. But the absolute worst part is Kris and Susie just immediately getting over his capture to focus solely on Noelle. Like what the fuck; that didn't even feel human.>BurgerpantsBASED
>>741837861>The entire festival was a yurifest that culminates in Susie catching feelings for Noelle, BRIDAL CARRYING HER THROUGH THE WATER, and Susie spends the rest of the Chapter thinking about Noelle.The game does this to drive it home that something is wrong. That what Susie is doing is out of character. It deliberately shows you things like Susie interrupting Ralsei's explanation of the Dark World's meta elements because she's already been told and doesn't care. It goes out of its way to show you that Noelle and Susie's affection for eachother is strange and mutually horrifying but neither are sure why, and just write it up to nerves thanks to them both being stupid teenagers. Susie obsesses over Noelle's heartbeat for no reason. She overwrites her own reason for initially bullying Kris (being jealous of his family) with jealousy over Noelle. The chapter literally ends with her slipping into delusion and preparing some kind of fucked up Coraline-style escapist fantasy for a girl whose father probably just died for real.Then, in case you still didn't get it, Weird route drives the nail in further with this shit. If you don't PROCEED fast enough, Kris and Noelle drown in the lake.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n9sNKBMEPMAnd the world, in a last ditch effort to force the prophecy, forces them out.It didn't happen.Nothing changed.Nothing changed.Nothing changed.Noelle can only be Noelle.It literally frames the ENTIRE SCENE as Noelle being forcibly robbed of her agency, robbed of her will to act on her own, even if that will is self-destructive. If you genuinely believe Toby doesn't know exactly what he's doing with this shit and it's just for "MUH YURI" you are actually straight up fucking braindead.
>>741838037>The knight appears again>Kris "wins" and has to give them 300 Billionscan't wait
>>741838124Humans in this setting don't have genders, though.
Dessriel bros...
>>741837956Yeah, it really feels that way, especially when Ralsei reveals he can do fire magic in a one-off cutscene and then never again, not even in the Flowery fight>>741837972>>741838076I mean, I'll take youse words for it, since based on this thread it sounds like something actually kind of interesting happens
Am i a fucking retard? How do i do this puzzle?
I tire of doomposting Post more Aquas
man i hate troons why did you have to ruin the one game i had hope fori'm very thorn on even playing the game now (haha get it? thorn ring)i'll do the drowning and be glad i didn't play for this
>>741837992I know you watch half of these shows when you're not larping nigger, you wouldn't care about deltaweeb otherwise.
>>741833604At least there was a epic danganronpa reference.
>>741838116>meamwhile noelel is literally forced by the game to act this way and the only time she snaps out of it during side a is when you show her your king and queen vote for Kris and herGot an image of this? I haven't seen it because I did Berdley and Susie as a gag.
I appreciated dickhead Ralsei.Noticed he gets a more assertive defend pose at some point too.
guys... maybe we were being too hopeful.Toby is getting too much into tranny dick and tranny smelly axe wounds.He is probably becoming gayer by the hour, and his ability to do storytelling keeps getting worse.
>>741838185Kris is clearly a guy no matter what Toby or the ridiculous fanbase says
>>741838149I'm actually shocked that cyan is so blatantly a girl considering the extreme kris parallels.
>>741838175I just wish Asgore's development didn't happen off-screen. 5 hours and you couldn't spare the time to show it?
>>741838157To be entirely fair, if it actually is a case of "prophecy forcing roles" then having your mind forcibly altered by forces you cannot understand and cannot fight is pretty fucking horrifying.
>>741835692>even the fags are getting BTFO by tranniesgrim
>>741838052Yeah, chapters 1-4 on my save file are like 20h total and chapter 5 was an additional 7h
fuck, where's the last one bros?
>>741837913someone missed the gender identity seminar cutscene
Option A: Toby literally forgot how to writeOption B: There's something wrong going on with the narrative itself (in universe)Call it, friendos.
i was not expecting miku
Summarize the weird route in chapter 5 for me.
>>741837096It felt gigakino outside of the gay stuff for me. Idk I was having a blast with almost everything about this chapter's dark world.Sure it didn't advance the story much, but at the same time it clarified lots of things that people assumed based on hints yet the game didn't outright confirmI feel like if there was a timeline where Toby was able to produce this deltarune in 5 years instead of what will likely be 12+, it'd be an absurdly good experienceMy only big gripe, and maybe this is on purpose, but Susie and Noelle having a romance while leaving nothing at all for Kris just feels weird from a player perspective. I just don't see the appeal of being a third wheel to two characters that are magnetically attached to each other
should I play it or does it suck like OP says
>>741838197I did it but I forgotRemember you can make Ralsei bring that paper down
>>741838236There are no Kris parallels. The parallels are to the cyan soul from Undertale.
>>741838009Proud of him. But if he ain't getting another boss fight, i ain't interested.He better be the last schizo boss and the most skull-blisteringly difficult thing Tobert the fuck ever created.
>>741838116Also Jockington's beard appearing and disappearing is a clue that the world is simply forcing the prophecy to be real
>>741838263Did you find the secret room and push the terracotta soldier off a cliff
>>741838284Doe Drowned. (you) too.
>>741838052>ruin the pacing of the project more and backload the last chapters with more gamesbro just add a 8th chapter, call it 7th side b
>>741838278If it's Option B and the Weird Route starts bleeding into the normal one I'd say it was greatReally I think Toby's just losing it
I am getting genuinely concerned that Flowey's just not going to be in this game. Why even have a flower chapter without Flowey, am I missing something?
not only does the chapter fail to satisfyingly continue on, let alone tie up loose threads started by the previous story, it doesnt even manage to answer its own obvious questions, such as why flowery takes the form of asgore’s college roommate or something, or the weird emphasis on how the flowers are trying to be humans when theyre neither lightner nor darkner (a parallel to flowey being described as neither human nor monster), and how all of these tie back to kris being the one who even made the dark world to begin with
>>741838263It's one of the statues in the room, you gotta push them to the cliff
>>741838293Yeah I know that but how the fuck do i make it so that Theres a way to get to the top block
>>741838286Play up to chapter 2 then IMAGINE your own ending
>>741838278Option A1 - Toby handed off the writing to others on the team and they completely misunderstood and butchered his intention
>>741838219sorry anon taking screenshots is hard since one of the keybids for xhare is ctrl and it just skips dialoguehave an egg instead
>>741838314I found the terracotta but not a secret room
>>741838124This fucking brat!
>>741838278I'm going with Option C: The larger team is influencing the writing for the worse
>>741838246Gay/Bi men into gaming have had an axe to grind with trans rep in gaming ever since the Bridget shit happened.
>>741838294anon did you miss the giant red heart-shaped bow on her head and all the jevil shit. there's a reason kris does the fight solo.
>>741838275I think all games should have this scene so I know what to refer to my favorite character as!
>>741838041green is a they/them, you can tell because all the dialogue awkwardly uses GREEN instead of a pronoun, and at the end when you say goodbye Green's is a narrated segment with "(Thank you for watching over their dream.)"
>>741838334Your expectations have been subverted. Isn't Toby so smart and clever?
>>741838236cyan soul femkris believers vindicated yet again
>>741838263>three in the armor room>one in the fox rock room>one in the room the pic is in
>>741838149If the amount of males and females are even, then we could say Seth is a guy and Pink is a girl people who insist that Mewmew is a tranny and not just a female ghost are mental
Man this chapter fucking sucked, with the flowers being Asgore's listeners I was expecting a lot more family drama/past being mentioned but tonally the chapter is flat as hell and reveals very little. The first few seconds revealing Kris cannot cope without the soul is probably the most interesting thing. At least 3/4 felt like they were building up to something, 5 feels like filler for the most part.Ending the chapter on Susie being WE NEED NOELLE was fucking awful too given how overbearing that whole thing has become. They cannot discuss each other without bringing up how much they want to dyke it out, and it's exhausting and poor writing. It makes both characters so much worse - when by themselves, Susie and Noelle are fine, yet Toby's yuri fetish cannot give them room to breathe without ramming it down our throats they're epic lesbians every other second. Chapter felt even woker than usual too, which feels impossible considering how gay the other chapters have been. I don't normally care about that stuff, but the fact it felt noticeable to me probably meant it was pretty egregious. Probably the weakest chapter for me. Everything about it completely killed the momentum 3/4 had. CH5 weird route is cool but it's packaged with such a mediocre "normal" route that I'm kinda whatever about it. I really hope Toby is cooking up some insane twist or something because ch5 felt like a shitty fanmade chapter with how shoddy the narrative is.
>>741838372 top left. Start pushing
>>741838236The shocking part is how she's such a fun character while Kris is a boring nothing.
>>741838278when did he know how to write? the episodic structure is also too much for him, it was a bad call from the start. should have just done a part 1, 2, 3 or something
>Have to deal with another year of people debating whether or not the story shitting the bed is intended by the prophecy or not
>>741838051Sorry, chud, she's in a relationship with her own body now and is fucking off to castle town forever.
So this is what Japanese fans felt when Umineko was releasing and Ryukishi continued to beat around the bush until things got autistic and kinda stupid Chapter 6 onward, huh...
>>741838421Flowey is a living subversion of exceptions. No Flowey means the game is entirely uninteresting.
Scraping everywhere I can to find aqua art.Also I'm not gay but I would destroy Seth's asshole.
>>741838436yeah right after posting that i found it, thanks. just one more pink coin in the top castle and im done
>>741837712No, this is what Toby believes yuri relationships are.You guys cope about the weird routes but those are getting more sidelined with time, probably because Toby's new friends don't like it. Chapter 6 won't even have a weird route from the looks of it.
>>741838345the flowers are all parallels to lightners in hometown. blue is literally the forgotten man.
>>741838367>you'll know what it was evidence for when it happensOh my fucking God the eggs are evidence of how the prophecy ended the first time
>Just finished chapter 5>The thing I'm most pissed off about isn't even the yurislop>It's that Asgore didn't open up a can of whoop-ass on the Knight, getting a shadow crystal like he did with the previous Knight encounterWhat the fuck was even the point of the armor if he can just be put in a bubble and floated away without a struggle?
>>741838493What is Aqua name in Japanese so I can search it on xitter btw?
>>741838179>If you genuinely believe Toby doesn't know exactly what he's doing with this shit and it's just for "MUH YURI" you are actually straight up fucking braindead.NTA but as a someone who's a former Homestuck reader I'll tell you that you should absolutely not have infallible faith in a creator. People said the same stuff about how Hussie knew what he was doing near the end of it, and shit wound up being one of the most disappointing things I've ever experienced.
Here is my unbiased, objective graph of chapter 5's quality.
>>741838497see >>741838179If you think the Weird Route explicitly reframing the most overt Suselle scene as profoundly negative is it being "sidelined" you are delusional.
>>741838351You can only jump 3 blocks, make the left one (big) only have 3 blocks behind the paper that's on the bottom so you can jump on it, also it has to reach the paper that goes down with its upper part. That's what I remember, you can figure the rest yourself (or send pics of progress and I'll try to help)
Would you have taken Ch5 better or worse if it was released alongside 3 and 4 like Toby originally planned?
>>741838278Option B; Susie and Noelle are subconciouslly fulfilling the prophecy.Susie took your place as the Hero, the prophecy will always be fulfilled.
>>741838497toby brought hussie and that void stranger dev on, sounds like he's already lost focus and is deferring too much to other people on the teampoor showing for an auteur *spits*
>>741838445||because she stabbed the forgotten man anon||
I liked it, though admittedly I always go into Deltarune with low expectations. Also I don't care about the lore, like, at all. Whole thing's kinda stupid, innit?
>>741838493god i want to fuck aqua
>>741838278i'm huffing copium that susie and noelle acting out of character is the result of the prophecy is enforcing its will on the world, reshaping pieces so that they fit togethernoelle alludes to this in her weird route dialogue
>>741838527>What the fuck was even the point of the armor Dude, fuck the armor, what the FUCK was even the point of the black shard he emphasized the importance of last fucking chapter.
>>741838576Worst part is, Void Stranger is a good game, too.
>>741838587hello toby
>>741838004the 3D tunnel fucks me up
>>741833604The flowers were so fucking annoying except Aqua seriously Justice's entire character is he's retarded and wants blue's cock thats it
>>741834496>Why are tranny jannies deleting all Deltarune threads?Because there's a billion of them
>>741838527>What the fuck was even the point of the armorSubversion of expectations, hope you enjoyed it.
>>741838597It was just evidence that got left behind. He never actually fought the knight or whatever.
>>741838550>ralseifagI muted the nigger he deserves getting clowned on by GOD KING FLOWERY
>>741838278Option A.The last time I thought bad writing was intentional was MGSV. Never again.
>>741838436I FUCKING KNEW ITI KNEW FUCKING RALSEI SAYING THERE WAS NO POINT TO PUSHING ANY MORE STATUES WAS A RED HERRING BUT I NEVER CAME BACK TO FINISH THE JOBFUCK YOU YOU GOAT TWINKOR MAYBE DON'T FUCK YOU BECAUSE YOUR BOIPUCCI IS PROBABLY WAITING FOR KRIS'S SOULS BIG RED SHAFT
>>741838645It's RELEASE DAY, should hold off JUST A LITTLE for the first 24 hours. How many fucking GTA threads are there, and that shit ain't even coming out.
>>741838550Getting the feather was definitely the biggest "holy shit" moment in the chapter, even if the controls were awkward
>>741837457Made for rimming
>>741838597he gave it to his possessed anime plushie
>>741838004i was in 2hu mode and got bomberman. It's not even a purple soul mode, it's just way too fast to actually read the entire grid and track the purple SOVL on the purple grid
The flowers make me think that either the ending is bittersweet and Ralsei has to say goodbyes to everyone once this is over, or they'll find a way to change how darkners work somehow to allow them to be real.
>the man pointed to his face and smiled>"yes, keep smiling">friend smilingWhat's the connection between Ralsei, FRIEND and the eggman? I'm sure there's something
>>741838430>Ending the chapter on Susie being WE NEED NOELLE was fucking awful too given how overbearing that whole thing has become....you know, now that I'm thinking about it, that might actually lend credence to the whole "forced into the prophecy" theory. The way Susie was so forward about it was very unusual, so maybe she really is being unconsciously forced into a role she doesn't want.
>>741838219If you pick Noelle and Kris for King and Queen Noelle says something along the lines that back when they were kids they voted for each other but didn't win and that now she wouldn't mind winning with Kris
HOWDOI BEATTHE SECRET BOSSTHIS IS HARDER THAN SANS AND THE FUCKING KNIGHTTHE BOMB ATTACK IS IMPOSSIBLE
>>741838701>How many fucking GTA threads are thereMost of them don't reach bump limit though so they die off pretty quick
>>741833604>The plot didn't move one bitrudy died
>>741838597>>741838650>>741838651Asgore got cucked out of plot relevance harder than Kris was cucked out of his lizard-girl
>>741838736>The way Susie was so forward about it was very unusualNot just the fact that she was forward but she kept talking all the way about how Kris is her best buddy and Dark Worlds are a secret they share together with no one else... then after a brief stop, she simply jams Noelle into their thing out of nowhere.Its certainly weird, weirder than the weird route.
>>741838570shouldve been>1+2 demo>3+4 paid release>5+6 update>7chapter 4’s cliffhanger is too powerful for you to be able to jump right into the following chapter after it, but chapter 5 despite all it has feels underbaked as part of the larger narrative, it feels more like a “part one” meant to be followed by ch6
>>741838736it's a shit twist, hope it's not real (and it probably is because it's le subversive)
Why do the fans seem to care more about the story/setting than the creator? Is Toby just in it for the money at this point so he's fine just writing whatever bullshit to pretend like he cares?
>>741837965A play on 'Kakashi"You should know this.
>>741838749Don't even look at the hearts during bomb attacks, just find a safe spot ASAP. Had more trouble with that than I did with the fucking roaring fraud. Fuck the Super Hexagon phase too.
>>741838765that's also pretty moronic on the Jannies part, if they keep deleting these threads before they reach the bump limit there will just be even more threads made more frequently.
>>741838748>>741838219Noel Holliday and Kris Dreamer
>>741838786He "fell down" on a ladder. This is textbook Toby, same as the Ch1 cliffhanger.
Is it me or was Chapter 5 longer than the others? I remember every chapter being like ~4 hours long and this one took me 7 easily.
>>741834880The waifufags are livid and I am feasting.
So did Rudy "fall down" as in the Undertale thing where monsters go comatose before they die, or literally fall down while putting up christmas lights?It's probably intentionally vague but I wonder if the jap translation might make it a little clearer
>>741838850I mean. That's still pretty bad for a guy in his condition.
>>741838857he had a bunch of outside people work on it, hence his distancing from the newsletter "I think it fits well"you think toby?
>>741838850>Sickly man falls off a ladderHe's one foot in the grave, at the very least.
...What is Kawkaw, anyway? Why would there be crows INSIDE the flowershop?
>>741838867Given Toby's framing of this chapter as the last happy-go-lucky outing before shit gets really bad, my guess is that Rudy's dying and Noelle's going to latch onto the Dark World as an escape, encouraged by Susie.
>>741838004Mew mew's battle took way more raw turns for me than the knight, but that's also because I didn't stock up on healing items and refused to backtrack, taking a couple hits meant I needed to delay gigaflirting so I can keep my party healthyIn general it feels Jevil pacifist like where your action economy and tp require you to not get hit as much as other battles, and unlike jevil the battle doesn't passively progress so you can get stuck for a couple turns if you need to rely on spells to heal
>what was the point of the armorThe Knight now has Asgore and Undyne. Both suited in armor.
>>741838917A parallel to Kris and how despite it being a crow it acts like a dog
Rudy was betrayed by a ladder darkner.
>>741838939Asgore, Undyne and the Knight
>>741837181Chapter 4's antagonist was the Knight. 4 in general didn't seem to be much fun.
>>741838867you see him resting down the ladder during weird route so he didn't actually fall from it, so his gigacancer just got worsewatch rudy and noelle knighter be awfully quiet from now on
>>741838052I imagine not every single question will be answered, we didn't get that in undertale at allUndertale even ended slightly bittersweet by not allowing Asriel to return to his family
>>741838786Deltarune doesn't call dying "Falling down". I thought the same thing at first, but it's a fucking green herring.
>>741838149Green's referred to as they/them. They make it clear in one of the optional cafe cutscenes.
>>741838749The bomb attack is the hardest thing, without question.Don't try to go for the hearts - they're a trap. Just try to find a safe spot.Counter to that, when the faces and hearts are coming from the side, you need to tune out the faces and only watch the hearts. They're always safe. If the topside bombs in stages 2 and 3 hit you, they hit you. You can't try to realistically avoid everything.>This one's important:>If you get her stage-attack, have your soul towards the top and direct the attacks into her. Every bullet that hits her spits out 2%TP, and it fills your gauge in one attack.
>>741834880nah we aren't teenagers, I will be fapping to Kris x Noelle no matter what bullshit Toby makes canon. I advise Susie x Noelle faggots to disattach immediately too, you WILL be disappointed.
>>741837282The pogo sections in this are practically 1:1 with Silksong
>>741839009>Deltarune doesn't call dying "Falling down".It's in the library books, so yes they do.
>Normal route is the prophecy forcing it's will on the story>Weird route is us forcing our will on the storyThis game can't have a good ending.
>you have to fight corrupted Undyne and Asgore in chapter 7
>>741838867i'm inclined to believe he literally fell down from the ladder he was on
If this is intentionally bad then toby has done good setup, but I've seen many groups claim a work is intentionally flawed only to discover it was actually shit
>>741837135the most secure space to put a broken shard of The Knight's sword is up the asshole of your cat girl doll
Use the spoiler tags, niggers. Some people haven't finished the chapter yet
>>741839047Easter Egg route is exiting the story entirely
>>741839047Both routes are going to end the same if taken to their wholesale conclusion, that's why the game "only has one ending" the only good outcome is making sure an ending is outright impossible, hence Susie's idea from Ch4 of a story that never ends at all.
>The prophecy of DELTA RUNE never changes>The ending of DELTARUNE never changes>But the characters can>The original story was about Kris and Noelle>Susie was the Berdley in this timeline>Kris & Catti contacted HIM to connect (You) to Kris>Kris is now FREE>Susie replaces Kris in the prophecy>Things start to warp around Susie, feeding her delusions>The dark world is pitched as Kris' escapist fantasy, but it's now clearly Susie's>She refuses to go home to her actual apartment and lives in the school closet playing with toys>The prophecy bends reality, as The Girl (Noelle) must find love. >This is why genuine interactions and relationships (Platonic or otherwise) are rebuked at every turn for an overnight "Tell don't show" romance plot>This is why Catti refers to Susie as an "Invader" and "The Enemy" >Susie's reality distortion is why she feels betrayed and humiliated. >Susie's Delusion is why she doesn't question meta mechanics like the ACT menu>The romance writing is forced because the prophecy unironically forces it because it has years of childhood friendship to make up for in a few days>This is why Chapter 5's writing suckedThis is my cope and I am sticking to it until the bitter end.
>>741837238he probably didn't design it
>>741839009Falling Down isn't dying, it's a thing that happens to monsters when they die of sickness or natural causes before they dust.I can understand the confusion since it's only mentioned in the True Lab in UT outside of unused text, and only the unused text elaborates
>>741839095then go and finish it faggotwhy are you even here
>>741839095Anyone who browses the threads before finishing at least the normal route is a joyless moron.
>>741838998noelle knight had nothing for or against it this chapterrudy knight is 100% donezo though, no way he would be able to sneak out after falling off of a ladder when he already has turbo cancer
>>741834694Sup TobyCan you write it in a compelling way instead of making it suck so much dick instead of later running damage control for it?
What's the deal with these bugs and the archer in this room too? I thought they'd show up as enemies but instead they only appear here.
>>741838179Massive cope honestly. Don’t be too destroyed when the dog fucks it up.
>>741839045Quote the text for me, if you would. >>741839132No, I know what Falling Down means, I'm saying Deltarune and Undertale follow different rules.
>>741839171where is this room?
Shit was so bad that even the egg collecting came out as a wet fart
I found those Kriselle scenes that that anon was talking about.
>>741838827The story and setting and overall mood Undertale is what sold me onto it. Yeah it was imperfect, shitposty even, but you could feel the stakes raising, the melancholy in Waterfall, the desperarion among monsters to leave the underground. It hit in the right spots. We're 2/3 into Deltarune, we're near the ending yet it doesn't feel like the game is going nowhere. I don't feel like the game matters, if that makes sense. Undertale, small and imperfect made you care about the characters and narrative. Here? Most we get is from the ARG, which Toby said it's not even canon.
>>741839136>>741839150how the hell did you even finish it so fast? haven't you got anything else to do? it's pretty damn long
>>741839154noelle knight never had anything going for it
Couldn't stop thinking about this during the lake scene in weird route.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbW8KBZguDMGod I fucking hope the implications of weird route are real.
>woah...we're finally gonna learn what asgore did...look he's about to explain!>that day...that horrible day when thing happened...that you knew already happened...something really horrible happened that day...you're fucking joking a game of thrones season 8 moment incoming
>>741839218It's the 2nd Diner, they don't appear on your 1st visit there. Just take the top entrance from the diner.
>>741839236
> they're gonna make Ralsei troon out instead of making him gayWho is pushing this agenda where everything has only lesbos and troons, but not a single faggot? What do they have against those who like dicks?
>>741839073yeahright now, my cope is that the main route is shit because its only purpose is elevating the weird route so toby's just fucking around doing his wapan wank and other random bs as fillerso it'snot shit on purpose as setup but instead is shit because it's just toby doing some pandering wankfest
>>741836992Real people do have character arcs, they just arent called that, and these sorts of things happen over the course of MANY years. Some people lose their purpose, some people find renewed purpose. There are jobs that change who people are, circumstances, relationships, etc. That is just a statement born of autistic ignorance of a retarded fuck
>>741839121>This is my copeThat's literally not cope. It's not even subtext at this point, it's just text. The game literally explicitly states most of that.The only thing I'd like to add is that I think Kris is only free in Side-A because YOU follow the prophecy, serving your role in control of his body as "The Cage". In Side-B, Kris is fully removed from the prophecy because of your actions, but it's probably going to backfire because pushing Noelle into being so involved with the both of you is just going to end up accidentally slotting her into the same role she had in the "original" pre-(You) permutation of DELTA RUNE.The only true escape is going to be finding an in-between that breaks everyone out of the prophecy.
>>741839171Probably cut from the chapter like how Pippins were meant to be a chapter 1 enemyOr maybe just the Nubert equivalent that only shows up if you get all the recruits>>741839213I could have sworn Falling Down was mentioned in the Deltarune libraby but I checked the text dump and I guess not. I'd say the verdict is still out on whether or not Falling Down is a thing but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't
>>741839171likely scrapped enemies, shame because I wanted those mantises in castle town
>>741839280
>>741839254it was more like a FNAF lore mini game than silent hill lol
>>741839298But every game already has at least one faggot, you the player.
>>741839280NTA but I'm helping
>>741839236>Genuine, real, human dialogue and emotion>vs>"GOSH I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT NOELLE ALL NIGHT EVEN THOUGH I LEARNED A HORRIBLE TRUTH AND WATCHED THE KNIGHT KIDNAP OUR CHIEF OF POLICE! I THINK I... LIKE LIKE HER!"and you fags think this the yurislop isn't a setup?
>>741839271I'm becoming increasingly convinced Toby's canon answer is going to be "Who fucking cares, it's not important, move on already".
>>741839280Do you have to get that prior ballot scene to get Noelle to ride the ferris wheel with you, or do you need an aborted Snowgrave route (prior to Ch 5 of course) to pull that off?
>>741839325
>>741839280I couldn't get this one as she mentioned the ferris wheel ride from when they were childrenmaybe you need to pick/not pick the "ride with Noelle" option during ch2?
>>741839271Toby is in Japan so he probably met Oda and took writing advice from him.
>>741838748Huh, thats actually interesting, that really runs in the complete opposite direction of her attitude for the rest of the normal route.
>>741839313autistic people don't have character arcs
>>741839313NTA but this sounds more like you trying to ram down narrative structures into your daily life than the contrary, honestly.
>>741839326Someone didn't get the "In Water" ending
>>741839319it is cope because there is always the possibility toby is a bad writer
What I want to know if any of the weird route abortions lead to anywhere, that's some real shite
>>741838351how 24 u
>>741839280how did you get this? I asked Noelle and she told me to fuck off because i'd shake it.
>>741839373>(Just like...)What the fuck
>>741839298It's because the game already has fags. Only by turning him trans can they push the envelope (and "the message").
>>741839373
>>741839363Genuine...r-real....h-human dialogue and...emotion?
>>741838550And here's the same for the Weird Route.
>>741839363I might just be overdosing on copium but the more I think about it the more I subscribe to prophecy psyop theory
>>741839373>You were just… doing what I made you.Am I retarded or is this wrong? Shouldn’t it be “what I told you”?
>>741839437yup
>>741839271>Asgore saw Dess disappear into a dark world possibly in the ShelterThat's it. That's the big mystery of Asgore's involvement, he doesn't know anything, AND his downfall from his job and social standing was purely his doing, there is no actual drama in the story. Toby didn't want you to think about vague regurgitated clichés as if they were actual mysteries.
Is there some contractual obligation from investors to force lesbians and trannies into media nowadays Seriously, it feels like a death threat at gunpoint if you don't pull it off
>>741838028Orange is referred to as female
>>741839486Absolutely nothing about their inclusion in this series is being forced on Toby, did you even play Undertale?
>>741839280>>741839325>>741839373>healthy kriselledamn, it's nice to see that noelle actually does still care deeply about her time with kris>she votes for the kids they were all those years ago, because she thinks they deserve to winwords cannot describe how i feel about noelle after this, what a thing to do
>>741838179listen if i read this sorta shit a day or two ago id be screaming KINOOOOOOO from the raftersbut honestly i have absolutely 0 faith in the normal route ever implying or outright stating this and expect it to be fully played straightif it actually turns out that the normal route is the game/prophecy being a shitty DM and railroading the characters into certain paths it would be an amazing twist, but it would also piss off all the yuriniggersweird route and twisted routes are the only salvation at this stage
>>741839434>>741839236Like, for fucks sake, compare these two scenes.
>>741839486You see, anon...Toby has a terminal condition called "OhmyfuckinggodIlovegooningtodykes-itis"
>>741839486Yes there is.But Toby does it for free
>>741839342you can't make a faggot without another fag to be together, anon
>>741839486How are people still surprised about this. Undertale should've been enough to let you know what Toby is about
>>741837712see: >>741835943
>>741839523meant to also include >>741839236 too
>>741839450as i said in >>741839121 i am a ride or die copium addict until toby proves otherwise.
>>741839392SH2 successfully devoted an entire game to make that ending impactful, here it's a quirky bendrowned tier spooky scene
>>741839528>but it would also piss off all the yuriniggersIf Toby were worried about pissing off Yurifags he wouldn't have added in an ENTIRE SCENE that EXPLICITLY FRAMES THE ENTIRE YURI SCENE AT THE LAKE AS A NEGATIVE THING.I swear to God you fuckers are just doomposting for the sake of it.
>>741839523Why is this bitch so wishy-washy? It’s like 33% Susie obsession, 33% nostalgiafagging with Kris, and 33% schizophrenic meltdown.
Love this guy. Also love to hate this guy.
>>741839376>>741839410did you do the ballot scene first?
>>741839370Former.
>>741839604Because as far as we can tell she's got some unique connection to the prophecy that makes her harder to swap out than someone like Susie/Kris.
>>741839604Hey, you. Yes (you). Go play the weird route.
Chapter 7 ending will be a massive let down and there's nothing you could do about it.
>>741839604she's desperately lonely she thinks kris has all but abandoned her and susie is the 'replacement', it's less painful to pretend she was just misunderstanding their time together in the pastnoelle is pretty consistent with going 100% kris when he starts giving back to her though
>>741839528see>>741839236>>741839280>>741839349and the other two I can't quote because this site is retardedmeanwhile the yuri shit is just "tehe I just like you so much because uuuh you like me or something"
>>741839664>>741837664
>>741839594>an ENTIRE SCENE that EXPLICITLY FRAMES THE ENTIRE YURI SCENE AT THE LAKE AS A NEGATIVE THINGYou can easily argue that it isn't framing the romance itself as negative but the fact that all the crazy actions they did ultimately wound up not mattering as if they didn't even exist.I'm not saying that you're wrong, fucking hell I hope you're right, but I just don't think you should say that something can only be seen one way without any other possible interpretation.
>>741839594people expected chapter 5 to have a ton of major plot revelations and kick off the roaring, or at least things going to shit as a cliffhanger and we got fucking nothingasgore got kidnapped and narratively the plot is exactly where it was at the end of chapter 4 with nothing explainedaccept that the shitty relationship wont have any epic twists like dimensional psyops now so if it happens in the future you can be surprised/relieved
>Suselle is SUPPOSED to feel out of place and awkward but Toby Fox is just that bad at writing lesbians that we're actually having to debate if it was bad on purpose or not.I'm laughing my goddamn ass off here.
>>741838278Toby is millenial, worked on homosuck, and is and edgy lad who hangs out with troons and quirk chungi. Option A.
>>741839236>>741839280>>741839325>>741839349What the fuck is this? It actually feels like proper romance setup instead of whatever the fuck you can even call what Toby did on Suselle being shoved into your faceAnd don't give me the crap of "nooo uhm it's just teenage romance and it's meant to be imperfect" crap, it doesn't even read like that at all
>>741839634I did not, it'd make sense that it'd be a prerequisite. >>741839236>>741839280>>741839325>>741839349>>741839373thanks for the hopium anons. psyop theory is ALIVE and WELL
>>741838278It's A, but Toby will turn it into B if shit derails enough. Print this.
>>741839486It depends, culturally we're in a war between woke and antiwoke, both extremes aren't healthy as they both paint anything that's not with your side as the enemyThere is 100% money being passed around to create media/content/algorithms to put people on opposing sides of these ideologies since radicalized people are much easier to control, which means the cattle fights each other if they're unhappy and not the farmers. I am not sure if Toby is part of it, since Undertale was only really shilled by that one IGN review and not much else came to it or Deltarune in terms of awards or other forms of shilling. He at least has some fetish or aversion towards heteronormality
With all that posted, I cannot believe there's people who think Kris doesn't have a thing for Noelle, and that it's only Susie he thinks of like that.
>>741839664If we kill Toby before Chapter 7 releases then it can't possibly be a let down.
it's almost as if you absolute morons hadn't noticed that asgore is almost 1:1 parallel to susie in this chapterthe guy gets distracted from his supposed love interest by the stupidest reasons, just like susie does
>>741839731>You can easily argue that it isn't framing the romance itself as negative but the fact that all the crazy actions they did ultimately wound up not mattering as if they didn't even exist.Anon the entire fucking scene is about Noelle realizing she's been railroaded around by some meta fuckery and, through sheer insanity, finding some semblance of agency through you. The abandoned scene snaps back to the normal route and interrupts every sappy yuri scene with the stark, cold contrast of Noelle losing control, of her realizing that she'll never have that agency, of the idea that she'll always just be "A Noelle".If you think that's doing literally fucking anything besides deliberately framing the yuri in a negative light you are either trolling or deliberately slipping into Susie-tier delusional cope.
>>741839859
>>741839781If he manages to turn A into B, wouldn't that mean he's good at writing? Retroactively justifying previous bad writing isn't the easiest thing to do.
>>741839829Kris obviously cares about Noelle deeply, but whether or not that's romantic or platonic isn't really something we can figure out.
AHEM!Gentlemen:Green > POWER GAP > Seth > Aqua > Blue > Flowerey > Orange > Yellow > POWER GAP > "Pink"
>>741835776>Susie spent all night in the dark world>now all of the sudden she's not torn up over the prophecy stuffhmm
>>741839930I hate pink because I always thought the Mad Dummy design was cuter. Fucking hate Mew Mew.
i would have forgiven suselle if>the chapter had any actual new plot shit>the steven universe tier niggerfaggot wilted because i was ready to when the 2d shit started but the rest of the game undid that
>>741839930>Blue that highEven disregarding the homo shit he's easily the most underwhelming flower, especially because he's the only one who got a tease in the previous chapter
>>741839930>my nigga flowery below fucking BLUE of all flowersyou sir are a swine and you aint my nigga
>>741839859didn't asgore say that he knew flowery was misleading him the entire time? he was just humouring him until they got to the castle
>>741838278It started as A, Toby realised he can't write /u/ for shit, and since he is probably already planning some meta shit already, its gonna be B (as in, he already has the meta twist in mind, and he inserted the "it's bad on purpose" element last 3 chapters).That's all I can cope.
>>741839930Based but swap blue and yellow around and that's my personal rankingsThough I may just be biased because I've been tormenting my friend who isn't an UTDR fan with woodyposting for years now
>>741839478Deltarune having a skeleton of a plot does make the WR schizos look like they're in the right. There's a sense (particularly after chapter 5) that the game just wants you to accept the plot as it goes, no matter how minimal and hamfisted the elements of it are.Was Asgore's presence purposefully artificial or was it Toby phoning it in? We got what was basically reiteration of subtext you could easily read in the last 4 chapters and then the most barebones and obvious arc with no real upsets AND THEN he just gets kidnapped. If you assume Kris went the mile in chapter 3 to replace Toriel with Undyne despite working with the Roaring Knight then it becomes even more confusing.Something is going on with the writing, hopefully it's intentional.
>>741835776I really hope you're right
>>741839886you should have written it better toby
>>741839992>>Susie spent all night in the dark world>>now all of the sudden she's not torn up over the prophecy stuffHoly fuck I hadn't even thought about that, but yeah, the first night she spent sleeping in the dark world was immediately followed by her seemingly completely forgetting about how upset she was by the prophecy and immediately becoming obsessed with Noelle out of nowhere.
The ideal route will be between weird route and the normal route. Noelle gets stronger and you get the thorn ring. Avoid all suselle scenes. Force all kriselle scenes. Make the twisted sword in chapter 6 and slay the evil dragon that has taken away your OTP. Slay ralsei in chapter 7 because he’s a suselle shipper. Live happily ever after.
>>741839907Well, yes, and regardless of what actually happens, I think he would be capable of pulling this off flawlessly, so...
>>741839930flowery was second only to aqua for both the UOOOHness but also her being kris as a kid is the only good lore this chapter got
>>741840028>>741840030Blue comes in clutch when shit hits the fan with his healing rain.He's a basic homobitch, but he's a legitimately good dude.
>>741839930I really don't hate Pink. I think a ghost wanting to possess something they like isn't exactly an allegory like people are treating it.
>>741839930Pink would have been much higher if she was an authentic Mew Mew and not larping Mad Dummy again
I want to love ralsei so hard. he was so adorable this chapter
Will you guys stop pretending Susie is written well now? I still feel vindicated on always hating Susie with her main character syndrome
>>741840105>Susie is getting psyopped into being nuRalsie>Ralsie is getting psyopped into being a freedom superboss
>>741840146Susie is well written and the Noelle romance is weird and unnatural because that's the entire point.
>>741840102hes 100% reading these threads btw he literally was last time and made the game worse accordingly
>>741840141>he
>>741840182Okay, people still in denial about itGoddammit
>>741840167>final superboss is going to be ralsei trying to stop susie from living in her ivalice foreverlandif he says the marche escapism line verbatim ill forgive all of tricky tony's sins
>>741839738Until proven otherwise the "its supposed to be bad" theory is giga cope.We all saw how Toby tripled-down on Alphys & Undyne and compared them directly to Suselle during the UT anniv streamHe legit loves it and sees nothing wrong with it and the transbians he's hired are cheering him on all the way
>>741840167>freedomI just realized, we never got that leitmotif this chapter, did we?If it was during Flowerery I must have missed it.
>>741839886>Anon the entire fucking scene is about Noelle realizing she's been railroaded around by some meta fuckeryThat's what I'm trying to say though, that everything they did didn't matter because the universe decided that things needed to play out how they did in the normal route. You can say that it's the yuri specifically, that definitely seems more likely considering the timing and the scenes that "Nothing changed" flashes through, but you can also say that it's just her being snapped back to the normal route period and not the romance specifically.Look at shit like the entire Dark World setting of Chapter 5, why was it Japanese themed despite taking place in a regular flower shop? Because Asgore had a single bit of weebshit? Sometimes decisions are made with flimsy narrative reasons backing them up, not everything is going to be part of a well crafted master plan 100% of the time. I sure hope it will be, but I'm going to prepare for disappointment.
>>741833604SpicCHADS send their regards
>Toby utilized his powers as a hack to force yurislop that people will think is only happening because of the prophecyHe...he truly is the....greatest video game creator ever....
>>741837712I'm not trusting the fucking planIt's shit until TOBY proves otherwise, which he isn't going to do. Meaning it will forever be shit writing
>>741840167>Main route Ralsei forcibly becomes Lost trying to fight the party to prevent the prophecy>[Lancer has joined the party!]
>>741839992>>741840105>The first two chapters bring attention to how King and Queen's personalities changed due to the Dark Fountains being opened>Now Susie is seemingly impacted by fountain exposureHoly shit, let's not forget how she wants to sleep in Castle Town instead of at Toriel's (Which could be due to the shit with Sans, but it's not like either of them were being uninviting to her)
>>741840253Mew Mew had it.
>>741836490This.
>>741840287Anon... Noelle is gonna join next chapter.
>>741840253The Trash Trio had it
>>741840253It's in Mew Mew's theme but kinda subtle, and in the Trash trio fight (Remixed into Checker Dance)
>>741840276can't beat the copelike, even if that was actually the case and dykeslop isnt the endgame, this whole chapter ups the gayness by 500%. it's just bad
>>741840252This same chapter had PARAGRAPHS of childhood friend backstory with Noelle and Kris, right next to 'Haha Susie threw dirt at us that's nice'.Toby's a woke retard but I have a LITTLE more faith in him than this.
>>741840105Maybe thats what happened with December too. She escaped her troubles by going into the shelter dark world and kept going more and more until she began sleeping there, turning into a beign of darkness and a mere tool of the prophecy.
>>741840105>>741839992So being in a dark world changes people to fit in with the prophecy?
>>741840321>>741840349I tuned out that entire fight. It was just close enough to basic anime wapanese and my brain just glosses over it.
>>741838610Void Stranger is literally yurishit.
>>741840252explain abandoned weird route then. "A Noelle is just a Noelle" in response to the yuri suselle lake scene.
>>741840345Quick, invest in Holiday Manor Dark World stocks!
>>741840105Maybe its not because she slept in the dark world but because she opened a fountain. The determination changed her.
>>741840379It shapes EVERYTHING to fit the prophecy, if you think about it.
>>741837869I thought he was gonna do something cool in this chapter since he was walking around in that armor.But he didn't do anything.
>>741840379Interacting with the prophecy in general probably slowly changes you to fit into its mold. Noelle was only there once (as far as we know) and B-Side Noelle says she's felt like she's been railroaded more or less since the day Dess vanished. Probably because Dess becoming Lost meant the Prophecy needed a replacement.
even the knight was lame in this chapter how do you even do that
>>741840290Nope, if you take her to the far apartment she says no too. it's the only door you can interact with in town. Basically confirms it's her actual house but she's not going there because of similar domestic problems like the Dreemurrs and would rather LARP and further fuel her delusions>making a schizoboard in paint right now.
>>741837909>who just want to make art merely for the sake of it as opposed to having a coherent end pointDeltarune is not this, but if it was, why the fuck would this be a bad thing? Wanting to make actual art instead of some retarded shit TV Tropes millennials would enjoy?
Also, the fact that Susie/Noelle forcing people to look at their relationship backfired two times in a row(Carol/Catti) is interesting, especially the Carol bit. Just makes Noelle look bad.
>>741840345doesn't fit The Prince in the prophecy
Does abandoning the weird route in Ch 5 result in anything different besides the Noelle scene right after it?
Literally only Noelle was good in this chapter, and only during weird route.Maybe Noelle really is the only one that matters.
>>741840485The Knight was lame when they just took Undyne out of the plot like nothing. Same here with Asgore.
>>741840345>and last was the girl>at last was the girl
>>741840546Apparently it sets a new, previously unused flag in the code, as well as giving Kris the title of 'shattered rose' and new shadowcrystal text in the Dark World
>>741840191? he was called boy the whole chapter, even in the mad mew fight. if you're talking about flowery calling him princess then he was obviously antagonizing him the whole first half of the chapter. toby loves his subverted roles too hard and I'm here for it because gay cute twink ralsei love is the only romance in this game worth a damn
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We need to push "Suselle is written this bad on purpose" as hard as possible so Toby sees it and can pivot, on the off-chance I'm not right. Its the moral thing to do.
Honestly I think there's a decent chance that Ch 6 will open with Susie trying to introduce Noelle to the Dark World and for Noelle to outright refuse or even flip out because her father is dying/dead, which Susie still doesn't know about, and a good chunk of the character development in that plot will be about Susie being sad because she feels like she got rejected or whatever.
>>741840379It's probably more about how comfortable you allow yourself to get in delusions and roles. Susie spent a lot of Ch1-4 questioning shit, fucking around, deliberately derailing events and generally being a menace. Then, upset by the prophecy in Ch4, she retreated to the Dark World and slipped into a deeper, darker dream, immersing herself in her role as a form of escapism. It's why the only times she fucks around and leaves the party in Ch5 are to get fuckin' romance advice from the flowers; she's not changing or altering or derailing anything, she's fully immersed in her role.She's a puppet who willingly put on her own strings.
GUYS NOT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE GAY
>>741840567at least in chapter 3 there seemed to be this cool plan of stalling as much as possible for undyne to show up so carol dosent have to sacrifice toriel who is a person she enjoys the company of now im just wondering if that was even the case and i was giving toby too much credit
>>741840669Ralsei gets referred to as "they" in his power text ('Watering their thorns' specifically I believe), but to be fair so does Cowboy Mike and he's referred to as a guy in this chapter, same with Lanino (Or his wife I don't remember) in Chapter 3
>>741840725Same here. The knight kidnapping Asgore makes absolutely no sense. It make me question all earlier writing choices. Maybe Toriel really was the target, and everything happened the way it did purely because the plot said so.
>>741840716No, Susie will open a dark world in the hospital and try to heal Rudy/revive his dust
>>741840773>Toby is subtly hinting that they/them pronouns doesn't make Kris non-binary
I hate that dino retard.
>>741840716Noelle has to be in the party at some point though, it's literally been 3 chapters since the last time. Speaking of, are there any item interactions for Ch 5 items for Noelle that have been datamined?
>>741840801>The knight kidnapping Asgore makes absolutely no senseIf we assume Side A Knight is working with Kris to derail the prophecy, it's possible that the Knight is deliberately removing important players from the picture to prevent progress. So far both of the people taken are very specifically people who knew/had codes to the Shelter.
>>741840718>ralsei even points this out multiple times during the ch1 redux parts>haha susie remember when you wouldve just fucking destroyed this giant loaf>haha susie remember when you wouldnt help us with this puzzleyou might be on to something assuming this all isnt just toby's shit writing
>>741840718>Chapter 4: WHAT THE FUCK RALSIE YOU NEED TO TELL ME SHIT >Chapter 5: Oh? Ralsie you can actually oneshot anything in the dark world and have fire magic that isn't just white bullets? Ok thanks for letting me know. Also i see the menus btw.
inferno of jealousy my fucking assthese threads were unironically making a better plot for the game that post about the inferno of jealousy involving the flower shop burning down and watching a shit load of darkners lose their form and dissolve because the light world objects got destroyed was better than anything in this whole chapter
>>741840773Wasn't this "their" meant to be a possessive pronoun here?
>>741840452>determiWouldn't that change Kris too?
>>741840836>Kris is explicitly stated as wearing a cowBOY hat on Toriel's wallpaper in her classroom>Aqua is very clearly based on Kris to some extent and is unambiguously a girl"Up to player interpretation" chads are IN CQNTRQL
>>741840865Why would Kris agree to sacrifice his dad? It's ridiculous.
>>741840887I mean third person possessive.As in watering the other's thorns.
>>741840892Yeah. Probably changed him the first time he opened a fountain. The one that got Dess.
>>741840773Asgore explicitly refers to Ralsei with they pronouns at the fountain, though that could be chalked up to him being unfamiliar
>>741840925If the alternative is worse, that might be enough. We don't know yet.
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>>741840871And Ralsei himself begins to be more independant. Maybe darkners feed on people’s hope and dreams, making them become puppets to the prophecy while they become more autonomous.I’m willing to bet Ralsei will “break the rules” during chapter 6, like Susie was doing.
>>741840892The dude is a shambling, green corpse without (You). Whatever he did overnight nearly killed him
>>741840970>though that could be chalked up to him being unfamiliarthats exactly what it is susie literally did the same thing with the knight toby, as evidenced by this chapter, would be far more fucking annoying about it if that wasn't the case
>>741841010>ralsei will break the ruleshe already does in ch5 attacking flowery outside of battle which is even pointed out by the flower man
>>741840718>she's not changing or altering or derailing anythingShe did convince Ralsei that the two of them should act without Kris commanding them, which got Ralsei to break his act and use an offensive spell. Nothing came of that, of course, but it's still worth mentioning.
>>741840252>>741840438This chapter should be lesson in never reading too much into minute shit like thatThere were so many basic loose threads from Ch 4 and before that people thought were gonna heavily influence the direction of 5 that all amounted to nothingAnything and everything can be dropped and diverted at a whim because the characters will suddenly deem it "not a big deal" as a gag and then move on.
>>741841064>forgetting the puzzle skip
>>741841072>She did convince Ralsei that the two of them should act without Kris commanding them,To be fair, that only happens if you fuck up the platforming too many times, so it could be written off as a cope for playtesters like how there weren't originally going to be save points in the Light World.
>>741841036Also what the fuck was this little faggot doing all night? In the shelter?
>>741840241Tell me the line
>>741841131>so it could be written off as a cope for playtestersIf that's actually the case, I wish he'd have let me try more than, what, three times?
>>741841072that was babby mode for fumbling retards like me. was hoping I could make a choice there but when did those matter?
>>741841108>prosneeding can do anythinghow did (you) know?
>>741841169cmon anon this image has been posted hundreds of times across DR threads
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>>741840887>>741840939I looked up if "watering thorns" has any meaning and apparently it means nurturing someone or something in its entirety, even if some parts are unpleasant or difficult to. Basically meaning for something to thrive you also need to care for the painful, less beautiful parts of it. I assume in that case 'they' is the flower guys and/or the other members of the Fun Gang
>>741841192>how did (you) know?Side-B is intended progression after Side A. You already saw Ralsei do it in Side A.
>>741840724Just kris
>>741841131It was 100% intentional, otherwise Toby could've just split the room up so you'd have checkpoints. You only need to fail the section 2 times for the auto thing to happen, which is absolutely going to happen on your first time for how tight some of those ACT inputs are, and you aren't allowed to reject it.
>>741841168Breaking into Jockington's house and injecting him with experimental facial hair growth chemicals in order to expedite the prophecy, as directed by Carol
>>741841264anon he was obviously being sarcastic to me. post a souljak and b done with it lol
>>741841242You ESL or something? 'Watering their thorns' in this case is referring to Ralsei learning how to be mean and assertive.
>>741841237Oh, I think I've seen that before although I didn't know the name of the gameAnd I will likely forget the name soon aswell
i literally remember posting >that would be fucking stupid if the weird route ended at 5 he would never do that its the reason people like this game so much
>>741841337Here's a summary of the game for you.
>>741841131>>741841108>everyone acting independently on route A and B>meanwhile Kris is forced to sit on the cuck chair and even Noelle cucks him from stopping the pathMan I just want my vessel already, these assholes are pissing me off. I hope the twisted sword route has me getting my vessel and killing every last one of them.
chapter 6 better start the 3rd impact PRONTOThe festival going from seeing noelle to "DATE DATE DATE PROM DRESS DATE DATE DATE" better be susie shinjing out before her ultimate crashout
>>741841481Remember when we thought the festival would be plot important? I remember.
>>741841337It's the best Isekai game ever made
>>741841481>ch 6 starts>susie tries to invite noelle into the clubhouse>noelle is too busy grieving her literally fucking freshly dusted father>entire chapter is susie harping on about how she fumbled a bad bitch
>>741841481imagine if susie becomes more obsessed with noelle than the other way around and noelle starts getting off put by her
So is Susie really someone that exists only to steal Kris's role in the story? And she also believes that she has to steal Kris's love interest as well?
>>741841589Don't worry, her choices don't matter
>>741841589that might be the casewhich is both interesting conceptually and pretty evil of toby to do
noelle thinking susie "abandoned" her or something at the start of 6 would make me happy but still would not be enough to salvage the chapter
>>741841515Bro I was on team "Asriel is coming to town for the festival."Why would he come home A DAY OR TWO AFTETR THE FESTIVAL?
>>741841576>Susie wasn't being turned into a pawn of the prophecy by staying all night in the Dark World, or determination high or whatever>Rouxls fucking Kaard was rubbing off on her
>>741841696>rouxls becomes susie's second in commandwhat a payoff
>>741841515>Asriel will be coming home for the festival kris, let's all go!>Ackshully he's not coming home for another few days (Past chapter 7)
>>741840506>Why the fuck would this be a bad thing?Because good stories aren't just a dumping grounds for all your random flights of fancy and nothing else. Good stories have a point, an endgoal that everything is building towards that gives it meaning. Every other Chapter of Deltarune is building towards something greater, whether that be character development or lore or rich themes or whatever, but not Chapter 5Chapter 5 is a bunch of disparate ideas thrown into a blender with little rhyme or reason:>The Flowers are a wacky miniboss squad who only exists to say funny lines and fight you>Mew Mew has no thematic relation to the other Shadow Crystal Bosses, she only exists because haha funny Undertale weeb reference>The final Egg Room is a silly non-sequitur compared to 3 and 4's, existing more out of obligation than anything>Asgore is here because he was hinted at in Chapter 4, this dark world feels like it could've been anywhere, reallyIn other words, it feels like filler, which is even more insulting since we're only 2 Chapters away from the end of the game. So many plot threads left dangling and practically no time to satisfyingly address them. That's why it's a bad thing, anon
>>741841665because toriel said he'd come back 'next week'depending on who you ask, sunday is not part of the new week
omori won
>>741841764>>741841665waitDid we get confirmation Asriel's not coming home for another few days?
>>741841801Toby Fox notoriously considers Sunday the first day of the week.
>>741841835iirc toriel said she might go get him that day or the next so he should be back before ch7 unless toby is a hack
dee fuck is with this chapter and big tails
>>741841882oh right, she wasn't feeling good...
>>741841893swishing my big fucking tail
>>741841893kris has tail envy and wants to touch them
>Need to wait 6+ months just to find out if Toby is a Hack Fraud or just a Gay Retard.
>>741841893touch fluffy tail
>>741841893fluffy tails are hecking wholesome, chud
>>741842029only next june now
>>741841893They exist to spite Ceroba for being a tailless girlfailure.
sure everyone is complaining about the writing but i think it sucked gameplay-wise too. there's literally nothing interesting in it other than the action platformer gimmick, which is good but it was extremely underused. hell, there arent even that many encounters in the chapter
>>741842029You're going to wait until at least 2028Toby will release chapters 6+7 together
>>741837521If it's not specified, then it's clearly a boy
>Dogcheck room is just fucking Danganronpa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0sDBFqRRD0...It's just gonna be V3 again, isn't it. The game Toby was talking about wasn't Omori, it was V3....
>>741842142>nine leavesheh
>>741842158>extremely underusedAnon how much do you think it needed it was practically omnipresent after you unlock it
>>741837457I can feel 95% of the art being lardass "I fixed it" art style
>>741842158gameplay was the one thing i liked this chapter (if i dont break fucking deck in half fighting pink tommrow) i thought the combo of 2d, puzzles and climbing was very fun
Flowers:Cyan>Pink>>Seth>>Flowery>>Yellow>Green>>>>Orange>>>>>>>>Blue
>>741837457>STILL no lewds of Greenit's not fair architectbros...
>>741842182>Then when's Chapter 6?>We are aiming for a 2027 release! Meanwhile, we will be periodically releasing information on the development progress of the game.From the steam page.
>>741839385You have that backwards. We don't try and make our lives "fit" narrative structures. We have narrative structures because they are just a reflection of how people tend to pay attention to events in real life.Normalcy -> Problem happens to them -> Describe how and why that is a problem -> What they did to resolve that problem -> The return to normalcy with possibly a little extra.I either just described the Hero's Journey, or the structure for that one time and old fucker knocked on my door in the middle of the night cause he got loose from the old folks home and I had to drive him to the middle of town so his younger family member could take him back to the old folks home.
The bossfights weren't that hard, I don't see what you guys meanBoth under 10 tries, with mediocre gear
>>741842228couldn't be v3, iirc that game was announced in 2016 and toby's post is from 2014
>>741842269yeah but pretty much every 2d section was just doing 3 or 4 easy jumps. the zelda-like game in ch3 felt like it had actual levels for example, this wasn't like that
>>741842158>>741842269You mean: UnderdevelopedRight?
>>741838116Or you know, that's just Toby writing cock first considering it's his fav yuri
>>741842462I only died once to Mew Mew but I can still recognize that the battles are a lot harder here
>>741840575>ralsei was the girl all this time
fuck are you retards complaining about? this is easily a top tier chapter outside of slogging through lesbian shit I don't care about. chapters got good laughs, fun cast (flowery and his fight are kino), great music, and fun gameplay switchups. I'm gonna really miss the "adventure" chapters of deltarune but they didn't go out without a bang, seems like shits really about to hit the fan with the weird bunker crap
>>741843153because we have literally two chapters left to wrap up a fucking dozen different plot threads and we spent this entire chapter dicking around with amateurish teenage romance dogshit only for the chapter to end with absolutely 0 plot progress
>>741842029>thinking we'll get another chapter in under a yearlollmao
>>741843273am I missing something or was chapter 7 not confirmed to be a 2 parter? hoping the crazy gaster and friend shit isn't rushed but I have faith in toby, not a single chapter has disappointed me thus far.
>>741843517and mind you the end of chapter 4 was the "halfway mark". this niggas definitely got time to wrap this shit up
>>741843637having two filler chapters right around the halfway point is a questionable move
>>741843517We don't know anything about Chapter 7. Hell, we don't even know if Chapter 7 will actually be the final chapter. It probably will be, but what I'm trying to get across here is that we've got jack shit in terms of info
>>741843680that's exactly where the "filler chapters" should be lol, and the plot has progressed in both of those chapters. Half of why I like deltarune is because I think it's charming with it's characters(mostly)and humor. Constant melodrama would be fucking tiring. Shame that it's over and the road ahead seems to be just that which will be almost half of the fucking game. He's got time.
