Had a slow but strong start in chapter 1Was on a roll with chapter 2, which also began the Weird Route which was easily the most intriguing thing about the game. Chapter 3 was just a circle-jerk memefest that was "remember legend of zelda?" and nothing happening, and no weird route development.Chapter 4, on the flipside, went break-neck pace and was doing things that shouldn't have been done until chapter 5-6, however hyped up the weird route in chapter 5. Chapter 5 is back to a nothingburger meme-fest where but now its "remember Japan and Anime"? And weird route ends abruptly with no gameplay.For those who are in the loop in terms of the nitty gritty...no party members besides susie/asrielno asrielno dessno papyrusno sans in the dark worldno asgore fight or asgore taken seriouslyno Friendno Gasterno Erammeanwhile, in terms of what actually happened...festival was rather boring/uneventful despite being hyped up since chapter 1only a single Knight scene, and nothing of note.secret boss is a character from UTentire chapter was just a big joke about anime/japanWeird Route (which was hyped to hell by chapter 4) just ends abruptlySo much potential squandered. There is absolutely no way the game recovers either the main story or the weird route in the next two chapters. It's over.
no party members besides susie/ralsei* game is so shitty i cant even keep track of the shit anymore
I can't figure out how to parry the flower man's attacksI facetanked his attacks and healed up to win. But it feels like shit.
Remember he still can't unrape the doe and no amount of mediocre chapters can change that
>>741835698i finally see now though, it wasn't that he tried to unrape the doe, it was that the REAL rape was chapter 5we proceeded and proceeded, while she screamed our name and begged us to keep going, all while holding handsand noelle was not the raped, it was kris
Will you forgive him if the forced Susie x Noelle is Fate forcing them together and Susie breaks the conditioning by choosing (You) over her.
>>741835907That won't happen. Susie is completely mind fucked and living in the Dark World now. Hell chances are the final piece of the prophecy that she saw revealed (YOU) and showed that we will kill her and Ralsei
4 >>>> 1 > 5 > 3 > 2
Completing the ch.5 weird route without pseudo-aborting it now switches on flags that were added to chapter 2 and 4 in the update. Do we have a list of changes to those chapters after Kris and Noelle proceed in ch 5?
>>7418363374 > 2 > 1 > 5 > 3
4 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 5
me personally2 > 4 > 1 > 5 > 35 may have been ass but boy 3 was worse
>>741835232I didnt clear Weird Route yet but Chapter 5 killed most of my excitement. It delivered a mix of everything I wanted or expected but in a very boring way, like Toby lost motivation and just wanted to churn something out. Not to mention all the stuff I dreaded happening that we were stuck with.>Kris was just fucking with you in Chapter 4's ending>festival is a nothingburger>yuribait for almost an hour with no way to influence the outcome at all>the ending to the festival makes Kris come across as the most pathetic protag in the history of video games>Rudy gets hurt offscreen, zero resolution>Flowery is self-aware, but all the teasing about the meta narrative goes nowhere>nonstop quirky homosexual propaganda everywhere, seriously holy shit I dont want anyone to try and tell me this isn't Toby's fetish, all the pairings feel the exact same>Kris is fine with starting a romance with someone who looks like a femboy version of his brother>Ralsei can cast fire after all - but he never does it again outside that cutscene>Flowery and Ralsei's rivalry ends with an implication that Ralsei is trans and nothing else for his character development>FLOWER KING ASGORE, except you never fight him and he kinda just gets over himself>Asgore gets KIDNAPPED BY THE KNIGHT and yet THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ON KRIS AND SUSIE"S MINDS IS PREPPING UP CASTLETOWN FOR THE MOST INTENSE SCISSORING MONSTERKIND HAS EVER SEEN>nothing to do after beating the final boss>chapter ends on a cliffhanger except none of the characters acknowledge that they're on a fucking cliffhangerDid Toby hand the writing off to other people? This feels like a massive departure from the quality of the prior chapters. These characters don't even feel believable anymore.
>>741835907Stop coping.Toby is a terminal yurifaggot.He'd sooner sink the entire game before sacrificing this asinine homoshit.
>>7418363372 >>> 3 = 4 = 5 > 1
>>741836880>Did Toby hand the writing off to other people? This feels like a massive departure from the quality of the prior chapters. These characters don't even feel believable anymore.You’re on the money. I’m guessing he’s too much of a pussy to tell his team their ideas are terrible. Apparently he used to be more strict, but he was convinced to give them some leeway in order to speed up the process. That little wiggle room was enough for his team of trannies to ruin everything.I’m genuinely depressed, this chapter was such a fucking nosedive in quality, i cant feel any of Toby’s soul and style in chapter 5, just an amalgamation of a bunch of trannies fantasy, I really wish this was still only Toby and Temmie going at it.
>>741837957This chapter paradoxically feels like fanfiction while being worse than most DR fics I've seen posted around. I wouldn't be shocked if the Deltatraveler team revealed themselves to be involved in Chapter 5.
>>741837957>>741837657
>>741836880>the Ralsei 'princess' momentChrist almighty, considering the proximity of release of this chapter to Digital Circus' finale, I really fucking hope it isn't. It's ironic as hell that they end up making the effeminate dude >actually female/I want to identify as femaleall along when that's arguably shittier for their self-obsessed focus with 'representation' in the long run
>>741837957This scene is the worst culprit.Susie didn't dislike and pick on Kris because he had a loving family and people who were accepting of him despite flaws in the community and from her perspective he was dismissive of it all not fully understanding what was going on behind closed doorsIt's now been reduced to "I bullied you because I wanted my pussy getting licked"
>THERE'S NO WAY TOBY WROTE THISholy cope lmao4 fucking chapters of susie and noelle shit and NOW it's suddenly bad
The lack of ocs, hype, art and just jokes overall speaks volume on the quality of a chapter.
>>741838168Honestly. I'm amazed how you guys didn't learn from UT, or Ch. 1-2, or the anniversary streams
>>741838245It feels like the only real hype's from the CH5 Weird Route getting some solid Schizo Noelle art, but even then, that's a fleeting scene in a 15 minute long 'chapter'.
>>741838168You need to be retarded to think it isn’t forced as fuck. It’s not that Susie and Noelle are bad characters by themselves, but their inferiorities do not match each other. Every scene of them together has to fucking override the characters traits and properties in order to work.
>>741838338Their interiority*
>>741838132>its another episode of headcanon being better than the actual writing>>741838168Its always been bad, we were just able to ignore it in the prior chapters.>>741838245>the secret schizo boss has always been the best part of every chapter>Toby: "NAH, you guys have learned to expect it now. What if I threw the lamest shit ever at you? That'd be a REAL twist.">we get a Mad Mew Mew boss fight that's weaker than the actual chapter boss with no gear reward or moment of reflection between our heroesI get that the allusion between the ghost/Mad Mew Mew and (You)/Kris is in your face, but come on, it wouldve been nice to see a single comment about it
>>741838338>You need to be retarded to think it isn’t forced as fuckI never said it wasn't, you stupid niggerIt was forced from the start, all over a pencilbut you niggers weren't screeching this hard about their moments in the cyber world or the entire fucking part in her house
>>741838338I'm just shocked that there's such little nuance to it, like Susie reflecting on how she may be getting into this too fast when she's only had meaningful social interactions for FOUR DAYS. It would be one thing if she doubles down on yurispam AFTER thinking about it and dismissing any of her doubts (feeding into a juicy collapse in the next chapter), versus just flipping fully into 'omg i love coochie' mode nonstop for the entire damn chapter's lightworld
>set up expectations>get disappointedjust wait for chapter 7 bro
>>741838338They've been doing this since Chapter 1.
That Mew Mew secret boss would have been infinitely better without the troon ghost squatter appearing for literally no fucking reason and actively assassinating her character potential.Especially after the kino that was Gerson, it just feels so sloppy and unoriginal. It could have been done better in so many ways.
deltarune peaked at neo spamton
>>741837657>>741837957Call it cope, but it's definitely starting to feel like everyones attraction to Noelle is unnatural. >catti >berdly >pre dess kris (possibly)>and now susie (who is also now behaving out of character and saying weird shit)Everyone who gets close to Noelle seems to fall for for her.
>>741838569Mew Mew is a shit character period and I wish Toby stopped forcing her. The entire thing should have stayed as nothing more than an Alphys joke.
>>741838620>BerdlyAre you stupid? He's doing it out of pity because he thinks she likes him. He's in love with Susie.
>>741838535Going from Susie being insanely oblivious to Noelle’s crush and fucking confessing her love in such a retarded tell dont show way was INSANE. I can’t believe not a single person in the writers room said: “Hey, this isn’t good at all, let’s either redo the scene until it feels right or abandon the idea altogether”.The team must be a circlejerk at this point.
I think most of you guys spent too long theorizing and so were expecting cuh-razy twists and tons of plot development when that's never actually been the case for any chapter.
How do I beat the secret bossI have Eram ptsd and in in the dating section sometimes none of the options work
>>741838702Truth be told it's been so long since chapter 2 I completely forgot about that
>>741838569I went from pure excitement to immediate disappointment upon seeing the ghost. I get it, Ch 5 is an UT nostalgiafest, but c'mon, the easiest opportunity for something original and it gets wasted to just redo more of the same thing.
>>741838747What the fuck are you talking about? 3 out of 5 chapters so far have been devoted to almost nothing but ominous set up
Where is that beautiful darkness from Chapter 3 and 4? Chapter 5 was so disgustingly glowing, it didn’t shine, it just glowed.
>>741838637Undertale made her a shit character because her only representative was an obsessed freak that's wearing her like a costume.Deltarune gave her a chance to be more interesting, much like Gerson was made vastly more interesting in Deltarune.I saw the potential early on despite what other anons said, which is why I was fully expecting Mew Mew to be the secret boss going in.And she was. And she could have been kino too.But Toby just completely dropped the ball by repeating familiar patterns, so I'm just very disappointed.>>741838807I wish she acted more like she did in the shop.She seems so dispassionate, beaten up, and out of it there, but she's recovering.It's much like Seam, actually. And then suddenly she's just completely different in her fight.Asgore notably liked the second darker Mew Mew entry in the series rather than the cheerier first entry.So why is the fight just... the first entry?It feels like tonal whiplash from what was established beforehand.Her being born from a grimdark despairkino sequel that Asgore watched to cope post-divorce but arriving in this beautiful Dark World where she didn't have to suffer feels like such the obvious and right thing to do.And it just didn't happen. Why? Was Toby scared of changing her too much?
Where the fuck is the fifth fox
>>741838769He literally explains it during the festival.
>>741838245I didn't realize this, I've yet to see my twitter feed explode or get shitloads of youtube shorts like how chapter 2 with spamton and queenie, and chapters 3 and 4 with tenna, the roaring knight and GersonIf 4chan didn't tell me I'd have no idea chapter 5 was out
>>741839686Move one of the statues at the top
>>741839686In one of the vases, really annoying to find. I got it when I pushed one of the bottom right vases off the ledge
>>741839826>>741839845The terracotta guys? Yeah I have that one. There were two in that room right?
>>741839916There’s one top left in a room that opens up when you push the vase aside and another bottom right if you push the vase off a ledge
>>741838571peaked at regular spamton desu. should've kept him short and sweet.
>>741839995Oh ok thank you. I missed the hidden room. Got it now
I felt so bad for Kris, NTR’d into fucking oblivion in his own story
Literally what the fuck am I supposed to do in the dating scenes? Every single option damages me.
>>741836365>Completing the ch.5 weird route without pseudo-aborting it now switches on flags that were added to chapter 2 and 4 in the update.nigga what
>>741840201She even pulls that NTR fucked-behind-the-door pose, what the fuck
>>7418368352 was the most entertaining minute-to-minute. 3 was ok toward the end and I'd rank it higher than 1 if the zelda shit hadn't been so unbearable
Krissoul best ship
>>741835907I don't want romance, I don't care if a bunch of pixels "love" me or another bunch of pixels JUST ADVANCE THE FUCKING PLOT ALREADY!!!
>>741840261>double mew mewpick a choice that responds to what they're both saying. i.e. "a gift for me?" + "call me nasty!" = "stinky fish". or "a metal that could!" + "call me scrap!" = "tin can". for that one, remember, "date" is a type of fruit
>>741840470they've only got each other nowKris will channel his cuck rage into the Soul and plunge the world into darkness
>>741839257Am I not the only person who thought this shopkeeper felt incredibly out of place, even though her and the secret boss are *supposed to* be the same character?
>>741838713>Going from Susie being insanely oblivious to Noelle’s crush and fucking confessing her love in such a retarded tell dont show way was INSANE. From what you guys are describing, Susie didn't give much attention to Noelle up until this chapter. It reminds me of Attack on Titan's ending where Eren didn't give much attention to Mikasa, then suddenly he was in love with her all along and wants her to remember him for 10 years at least.
haven't beaten it yet (don't give a shit about spoilers) but the light world opening felt incredibly weak. the noelle/susie romance feels so weak to me, i don't care that they're lesbians they just don't have any chemistry. i'm assuming noelle likes susie because she's a tomboy like december? the whole thing just feels way too straightforward, i'd like to believe this is set up for a rug pull where kris and susie end up together and even that wouldn't be super satisfying since kris is barely a character, but at least kris has been at the center of susie's growth and she has a reason to like him.i'm pretty sure the main fanbase is completely eating up susiexnoelle so i don't think he's actually going to do that though, just disappointing to see this 15 year project shit the bed halfway through
I think we need to abandon the idea of Deltarune having a satisfying ending
>>741841413after being burnt by countless heaps of shit endings ive grown to appreciate the journey exclusively
the meltdown krisXsus and KrisXNol faggots are having makes me glad I'm on teamKrisXralseiyes gay
>>741841163Pretty sure the juxtaposition is the point. The Mad Dummy is not mad.
wait wtf weird route can't be continued at all until chapter 7? does it just skip straight to ch7 after drowning?
>>741841828Watch as they transition Ralsei for daring to display feminine traits as a male, thus making it '''straight'''
>>741841738I never finish anything that's how I save myself from disappointing endings
>>741835798>Toby decided to make the doe commit murder-suicide instead of unraping herBased desu
>>741840261You have to pick the thing that fits both of themthe answer was Date. As in a romantic date, and date the wrinkled fruit.
>>741838747I don’t know any of the theories and if I attempt to read any of them I black out. I still thought ch 5 was boring as shit. Now what
>>741835232>Toby had me waiting all this time for INSERT CHAPTER 7 SIDE B (in 3 to 4 years :,) )>shadow crystal boss sucked absolute ass>no actual new info about past events, not a single shred of new information>egg man conclusion was another nothingburgerI couldn't sleep last night waiting to play this... what a crock of SHIT
>>741842175>Watch as they transition Ralsei for daring to display feminine traits as a male, thus making it '''straight'''don't
Please does anyone have a link to the threads where the beach scene was first shown, I NEED to see how you niggers reacted in the moment.
I dropped it at chapter 1 because the writing was unfunny quirky redditor garbage, glad to see I was vindicated.
>>741842669Anon, we're both doomed.
>>741842669as a fellow RalseifagI'm sorrywe don't deserve this but we can't stop bad writers from writing like shit
>>741842726>trannies take another femboy from me
>>741837957So you're saying he's turning into Hussie 2.0? Well well well, look who's going to have the last laugh after all.
>>741841845i just don't like it compared with all of the (very limited) other stuff we see of mew mew.i'll have a more articulate explanation tomorrow once i sleep on it but it feels like toby changed his mind about how to do the schizoboss mid-chapter.she just feels like jevil but done wrong. could've been kino, but isn't.
I want to put Ralsei, Seth, and Kris in chastity cages
I just beat the normal routeI was so happy with the susie kris conversation at the endand then she literally just said NOELLEwhat did I think of it
>>741838713>The prophecy of DELTA RUNE never changes>The ending of DELTARUNE never changes>But the characters can>The original story was about Kris and Noelle>Susie was the Berdley in this timeline>Kris & Catti contacted HIM to connect (You) to Kris>Kris is now FREE>Susie replaces Kris in the prophecy>Things start to warp around Susie, feeding her delusions>The dark world is pitched as Kris' escapist fantasy, but it's now clearly Susie's>She refuses to go home to her actual apartment and lives in the school closet playing with toys>The prophecy bends reality, as The Girl (Noelle) must find love. >This is why genuine interactions and relationships (Platonic or otherwise) are rebuked at every turn for an overnight "Tell don't show" romance plot>This is why Catti refers to Susie as an "Invader" and "The Enemy" >Susie's reality distortion is why she feels betrayed and humiliated. >Susie's Delusion is why she doesn't question meta mechanics like the ACT menu>The romance writing is forced because the prophecy unironically forces it because it has years of childhood friendship to make up for in a few days>This is why Chapter 5's writing suckedThis is my cope and I am sticking to it until the bitter end.
>Schizos screaming incoherentlyseems like Toby's made straight yet again
>>741840432That was MY joke, I'LL KILL YOU!
>>741843302Sorry anon, I kekked really loud when I first read that, couldn’t resist repeating it
>>741835232Honestly I'm not finding chapter 5 to be so bad. Sure the romance stuff sucks balls but the gameplay and enemy encounters is fun. Though I'm pissed about the shadow crystals not being used
>>741843340Honestly I was kinda hoping someone else had the same thought and it isn't just me having my brain fried by NTR...
>>741843346Also I find it funny how pissed off Flowery is making Ralsei.
>>741843243I like your cope anon, and I think it makes a lot of sense. Maybe the romance between them FEELS forced because it IS forced by the prophecy. But then… does free will not exist in Deltarune? Is determination useless?
Anyone have a screenshot of Susie getting memory rewritten to saying she pinned Kris to the lockers out of jealousy over Noelle?
>>741840478I couldn't imagine caring about the story itself anymore either
>>741843426two options>Prosneed>illusion of choice cow.png
>>741842726Keep trannies away from your projects, as much as you can.
How does (Me) feel about this chapter?
>>741842726I'm fucking pissed. This scene is a 100% guarantee that we will see IRL Asriel coming back from the college in the final chapter as a ""girl"" and Ralsei also changing to match. "Blue and Pink", oh fuck off.I was fine with the lesbian romance in Undertale because it was very short and dopey, but Deltarune amped this to 11 in an annoying way and now it's also very likely that Toby will also insert some trans commentary in the upcoming chapters.This fucking game should had been finished years ago, being so long in development fucked it sideways because it made possible for internet randoms to influence Toby to add this ideology bullshit and force it down everyone's throats.
>the ending of chapter 4>the entirety of this dogshit ass chapterwriting may be going down the drain but at least Tobias is feeding us NTRGODS suspiciously well
>>741843426>does free will not exist in Deltarune? Is determination useless?Think about the free will Darkners talk about, anon. It comes from Lighters. Souls from a level above theirs, who can bend or break the rules of their world and move beyond it. Susie does this multiple times in Chapter 1-4, only to fall into comfortable complacency in Chapter 5 after the end of the prophecy terrified her. That complacency drug her into the prophecy, drug her into the same delusion that, on some level, everyone in the town is stuck in.Noelle says it herself in Side B— the only one to break free is Kris, because you're not Kris. By being you instead of Kris, by doing things Kris could never do, and infecting Noelle, you've woken them both up. In a destructive horrifying way, sure, but they're out, at least for now.The only questions is how long you'll have that freedom, and where it'll take you.
>>741843603You know who he's feeding better? People who always hated deltarune and are now vindicated. Like me.
Dude I took the rest of the week off for this and I don't even give a shit to shitpost about it.My stupid fucking dumb ass thought we were getting canon December design this year.
I liked chapter 5 just fine. It's not as good as 4 or 2 but it's still damn good.
>>741838168Toby never once made pronouns a plot point. Now they are.
>>741843597>This scene is a 100% guarantee that we will see IRL Asriel coming back from the college in the final chapter as a ""girl"" and Ralsei also changing to match. "Blue and Pink", oh fuck off.Quit being a reactionary faggot. The drinks are themed around dufferent characters clothes and Flowery just called Ralsei princess to be a jackass. Susie took the purple drank the remaining two drinks are Pink and Blue (Frisk/Dark World Kris's color scheme) and Green and Yellow (Asriel/Light World Kris's scheme).
>>741843609> the only one to break free is Kris, because you're not Kris. By being you instead of Kris, by doing things Kris could never do, and infecting Noelle, you've woken them both up.We’re getting to meta levels thought impossible. Only game ever to trigger Sartre’s Hell in people
>>741843684Shit straight out of an OneyPlays bit.What’s up with all the swearing this chapter? Toby doesn’t swear at all.
>>741836880>Kris is fine with starting a romance with someone who looks like a femboy version of his brotherWhen the fuck does this happen
>no route where we encourage ralsei to use his fire magic
Why bother with the weird route? I'd rather just play a game where the characters aren't retarded
Now that the dust is flying high in the air, here are some questions about chapter 5>favorite character>LEAST favorite character>favorite fight>thoughts on the 2d platformer gimmick. keep in mind that you'll probably see more of it in chapter 6>thoughts on the secret boss>which secret boss items did you pick>did you get the egg>do you love TV (yes)
>>741843768>Option A: Reality is warping around Susie being the MC, hence the swearing and romance Psyop>Option B: Hire a bunch of hacks (including the one who ruined skullgirls) and handwave creative decisions rather than micromanage your magnum opus because twitter will complain
>>741843706How are they a plot point? Seth didn't wanna say if he was a boy or girl and that was it and then they beat him with hammers.
Genuinely, how will Chapter 6 rebound from this dogshit chapter?What HAS to happen to save the plot?
>>741843865you might as well its 20 minutes long max
Call me a pussy, but this chapter's Weird Route has been the one of the only times a videogame has legit scared me
>>741843865Weird Route is the kinoest
>>741843893Throuple
>the gay tranny game has gay tranny shit in it
>>741843932Same, I was legit shaking when Noelle and Kris started drowning
>>741843893Seam gives us something cool for the shadow crystals
>>741843893>Ralsei explicitly says "i am a man">knight takes off the helmet>the roaring>one of friend, forgotten man, or gaster, basically give SOMETHING to "the people who are paying attention", which is ultimately the main thing superfans are disappointed in 5 by
>>741838620berdly actually feels like the exceptioni think he's into susie more than noelle, but has been gaslit into thinking that ch2 didn't happen and everything with susie was just a dream, so he's defaulting to noelle
Of course the very last shadow crystal boss mirrors You and Kris.
>>741843983>Not this much. I like the one that says SOME woke.
>>741843893Nothing could save it
>>741844050>we finally got friend inside me but it's fucking jpop idol slop
>>741843243I already theorized that the original Deltarune story was with Kris and Noelle and Susie is a forced inclusion by Kris in an attempt to subvert the prophecy, so this works for me.
What are the chances of btfoing the Knight if the lancer team and flowerguy jumped it together?Are we going to have to resort to meta bullshit to bypass that literal hax it always uses when you beat it?
I think it’s safe to say that Noelle is a Mary Sue, yes?
>>741841738Toby has proven that the journey will suck too
>>741843873>>favorite characterUnironically Flowery>>LEAST favorite characterSusie. Chapter 5 Susie is the worst Susie has been the whole game.>>favorite fightThis one's tough, because half the fights are not even conventional fights. But I think I'd give it to Flowery too just for hype factor.>>thoughts on the gimmickIt was great>>thoughts on the secret bossI hate irony but the spritework was really good. Also the fight was neat>>did you get the eggOf course. A little disappointing coming off of Mancountry and the therapy session, but oh well.>>do you love TV (yes)I miss Tenna
>>741843893>Susie and Noellefags got cucked>Ralseifags are getting their bf ripped away from them>Toriel is now the free use hag of hometownthe roaring is the only thing that can save us now
>>741843873>favorite characterFlowery fucking sucks but in the most enjoyable way possible. He's a tool and I love him.>LEAST favorite characterI really don't like Susie right now but I'm like 90% sure that's the point; she's completely fallen into escapist delusion and I genuinely think her sudden infatuation with Noelle is eerie as fuck but if that's somehow not intentional it's cancer tier. Assuming it IS intentional, though, probably Seth; he was just a worse Berdley.>favorite fightFlowery's fight kicked my ass but the music was so fucking good I didn't mind.>thoughts on the 2d platformer gimmickHonestly mad that the secret boss didn't use it. Shit was great and I hope it sticks around.>thoughts on the secret bossReally fun, great music, FUCK those bomb attacks holy shit>which secret boss items did you pickApron, Glasses, and I forget the last one.>did you get the eggYes.>do you love TV (yes)I LOVE TV!
>>741844113Is this confirmation Kris is the narrator? Or did we break the game so hard the narrator doesnt work anymore?
I think everything other than the main story and Susie are pretty good this chapter. I liked the music, the mechanics, the characters (other than Susie and Blue), the visuals, levels, humor. Pretty on point except for the massive story blunder
>>741843618She really is Carol's daughter.
>>741843597>This scene is a 100% guarantee that we will see IRL Asriel coming back from the college in the final chapter as a ""girl""Oh god, this might actually happen. Old Toby wouldn't do this, but the new writers would.
>>741844113>the way he glitches during the walk cyclekino
>>741844180>Ralseifags are getting their bf ripped away from themRalsei is the only available option aside from weird route reality breaking shit.
>>741843893many games that save all the plot for their "revelations" and "secret lab" chapter get away with garbage like this. Deltarune has a couple of guaranteed crowd pleasing revelations,characters, and gimmicks though just waiting to be unloaded, shit that will affect Undertale too, though they could even push them off to Ch. 7.
>>741843596we went from doe penetration to game penetration
Just play the EBB Remake instead. It's a much better experience.
>>741843243I like this one.Things feel like they just sort of warp into place with how Susie changes so quickly, and how everyone just sort of bends around her.It's like using the trope of the Mary Sue as an actual plot point instead of just a lazy writing crutch.
>>741843881It was acknowledged in the story. This is not something Toby ever does. Characters before knew everyone's preferred pronouns using telepathy. It changed.
>>741844248I’m interested, tell me more
>>7418363374 > 2 > 1 > 3 > 5Which is a fucking shame, because the shifted perspective platforming was darn good, and we'll probably never see it again,, but the rest of the chapter was horseshit. Story, RPG elements, fights, and the most bland music of them all.Also it was far, far too long considering nothing happened for the majority of it.
>>7418363372 > 4 > 1 > 3 > 5
>>741844290Mother 1 got remade in Earthbound as a romhackhttps://ebbr.neocities.orgIt took well over a decade to finish, and it's a true labour of love. Many people who've played Mother 1 have said it's a good way to experience the gam because of hwo faithful it is while giving it more Earthbound design sensibilities.
>>741843893>All the secrets come out, Susie stops trusting Kris and Ralsei>Susie invites Noelle to the dark world>Noelle uses dark world magic to "heal" her dad, (hospital dark world)>It seems to work>then they get the idea to use dark world magic to "bring back" her sister>...>Knight time!
I haven't played chapter 5 so I'm still super excited for the future of Deltarune
Fuck it, I'm Team Psyop.I'm a Kris that isn't Kris, and I've made a Noelle that isn't Noelle.Susie is becoming more of a Susie, Ralsei is becoming less of a Ralsei.FREEDOM is the true path.
>>7418363374 > 2 (WR) > 5 (WR) > 3 > 2 > 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5
4>1>2>5=3
>>741843873>>favorite characterSeth>>LEAST favorite characterBlue>>favorite fightAny of the 2D stuff>>thoughts on the 2d platformer gimmick. keep in mind that you'll probably see more of it in chapter 6Love it>>thoughts on the secret bossPretty good>>which secret boss items did you pickPurple/Orange/Green>>did you get the eggYes, I appreciate it was slightly less obtuse than previous ones. I'm curious what payoff if any there will be for collecting them all.>>do you love TV (yes)That's one of the few areas I forgot to check this chapter, gonna have to go back for that. Lucky I kept a save there.
I stopped at chapter 2 and with each new chapter I feel more and more justified in doing so. The game's tone is completely different now. I am just now waiting to see which route leads to an ending that isn't shipping shit (with kriss/noelle shippers aside, weird route seems to be the closest).
>>741844371hahahi won't spoil you then!
>>741844369Awesome, I’ll check it out. Thanks for sharing anon
>>741836337>>741836404>>741836529>>741836835>>741837825R > E > B > L > O >>>>>> G
>>741844370>People who don't tell you the whole deal piss me off.>I'm the original SUSIE .
>>741843243Don't forget:>Chapter 4 ends with Susie, shaken up by the prophecy, resolving herself to making sure nothing bad happens to anyone>She spends the night in the school Dark World>The very next morning she's suddenly preparing for a date with Noelle despite having never shown any romantic interest in her priorAnyone who thinks Susie's acting purely of her own will her is delusional. She's hopped up on Prophecium.
>>741843873-The Loli.-I memory hole things I don't like, but I guess I didn't think much of that flower that hides behind the walls.-Aquuua+the fucking nerd-Made the game even easier, obviously not Toby's strong suit, it was fun despite this-haven't gotten to it-Tenna is me boy and I will rejoice when he helps me kick that edgelord's ass.
>>741840432The balloon makes it extra sad, man.Also don't forget the "tree cake."I feel like the decidedly japanese baumkuchen being for cucks joke probably went over people's heads here.
>>741844416Toby turned 30 and got dementia
>>741844449Ralsei spent the knight spreading his ROOTS inside her skull.
>>741843873>favorite characterTie between Seth and Aqua, Green/Flowery close behind>LEAST favorite characterNoelle, Susie, or Blue. At least Blue is entertaining, Toby just made Susie and Noelle annoying. I hate the forced relationship, I thought it was entirely one sided from Noelle's part but I get into the chapter and immediately Susie is planning for a "date" like she's been in on it all along? The scenes were just painful to go through. Flowery was the endearing kind of annoying, those two weren't.>favorite fightFlowery was kino but I think the Trial (yellow+blue boss fight) was the most amusing to run through. Mechanically it's hard to say, so many different gimmicks. Secret boss was mechanically interesting but also borderline impossible to not take dmg on some attacks, both it and flowery I only beat by spamming green tea. Honorable mention to Aqua + Seth duo fights with Aqua fucking things up>thoughts on the 2d platformer gimmick. keep in mind that you'll probably see more of it in chapter 6I enjoyed it a lot, it's more fun and fast paced than some of the previous puzzles>thoughts on the secret bossHilarious, but frustrating. Don't think I'd ever want to re-fight but I thoroughly enjoyed it up until I did win>which secret boss items did you pickPurple, Green, Yellow>did you get the eggYes>do you love TV (yes)Yes>favorite trackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWf9_qSrnOMFLOWER MAAAANFLOWER MAAAANWITH HIS HEAAART IN THE SAAAND
Im sure Im not the first one to came up with this but I thought of it in middle of my shift and want to share it>dess and asriel had their own dark world shenanigans >during course they realised they are just characters in videogame >dess throwed a tantrum, didn't want to accept this, tried to escape the game by getting to other side of the lake, drowned in process, she is now stuck in digital limbo, now as knight she tries to destroy whole world as means of finally ending this torment nexus >asriel decides that fake world is better then no world and will protect characters who dont have meta knowledge, thats why he hides information from susie, and tries not to have his own desires because he know they are fake, but over the course of game he learns there is still value in this world even if its just videogamehow does kris or shelter connects to all that? no clue
>>741844471>balloon>tree cakeQRD? I’m not a weeb
>>741844261>>741844449>went from "We Won't let that happen" to "OMG WHAT SHOULD I WEAR FOR MY DAAAAAAAAAATE" overnight This HAS to be stylistic suck with how good the weird route is. Susie is delusional.
>>741844449Susie knows that she dies in the prophecy
I'm earnestly seriously truly not a chud. But why is the game suggesting a trans Ralsei arc. He is a DARKNER in a world where there is NO STIGMA ABOUT GENDER OR TRANSITIONINGWHY WOULD HE BE IN DENIAL ABOUT PREFERRING TO GO BY "SHE"
>>741843873>favaqua>leastblue>fightidk all the big fights were pure cbt for me, flowery i guess>gimmick i liked it, gitting gud felt rewarding even if it was simplistic >secret bosspure fucking agony of a fight, as a character she was whatever>secret itemscouldn't be assed to find all the p coins at the end, i'll get them next run>egg yes, although i'll shamefully admit i looked up the trigger for iti got the room right though, so i wasn't completely hopeless about it >tvI LOVE TV
>>741843873>favorite characterFlowery and his voicelines charmed me the first second I met him, only cementing himself harder the longer the chapter progressed>LEAST favorite characterI refuse to say Susie even if the radioactive fox has decided to use her as a way to personally attack me and kris. Probably Blue, I dislike the way they're written>favorite fightFlowery hands down.>thoughts on the 2d platformer gimmickBest mid-chapter gimmick they've made yet, I wonder how many hours of dev-time went into molding Gamemaker to do that.>thoughts on the secret bossThe fight mechanically is solid, and fun. However, I fucking despise the boss in pretty much every other way. I don't like for the capstone shadow crystal boss she seemingly carries none of the weight or importance to that plot-line any other boss associated did. I dislike the Miku song. I wish the crystal was actually something important to her rather then a literal afterthought.>which secret boss items did you pickHat, apron, glasses.>did you get the eggFound the correct room, spent like 10 minutes trying the door thinking "Man this should happen by now if it was right..." and left without actually finding the puzzle that makes it work.>do you love TV (yes)(yes)
>>741844603bad writing
>>741844603It's trandy
>>741844603Because redditors theorized about it, and Toby is pandering to them. It's not something he did before, but he does now.
>>741844603>But why is the game suggesting a trans Ralsei arc. It's not. You're falling for retarded shitposting.
I think im waving the white flag on this one. We aren't going to surpass the quality of Spamton's writing and characterization, it's done jim.
>>741844554If this is Toby plans all along I’ll be speechless.It’s probably just shitty writing, though
>>741844679pink and blueralsei pronouns changewhat else...
>>741844679Really?
>Susie and Noelle are on screen Some of the sloppiest romances i've ever seen in any media >Kris and Noelle are on screen Absolute pure unfiltered kino
>Flowery can fake his stats and curbstomp everything >The knight can ignore his fake stats and just kill him >shadow mantle defends against the knight and you get it from not zeldais it some rock paper scissors bullshit?
>>741844449I'm reminded of Avatar The Last Airbender.Zuko survives his deathly illness, and comes out of it a new person. Genuinely happy and trying to make the best of his new life working in a tea shop with his uncle. Something about it all feels off. It doesn't really feel like him.When the life he thought he could finally escape shows itself to him once again with Azula showing up, he immediately reverts back to how he was before. This proves that it was all a facade. He was trying to force a change in himself by pushing it.I see the same thing in Susie. She's trying to convince herself more than she's trying to convince others. That's why she has to lie about Noelle doing things like giving her money, or only bullying Kris because she was jealous of the thing she thought he had with Noelle. Whatever she saw in the prophecy shook her up so much that she needs to try and force a change in herself quickly to try and stop it from happening.She's on her own weird route, and of course, it all revolves around Noelle.
can I go back to the egg room or am I fucked if I went further
>>741843873>favorite characterAqua is fun>least favoriteNoelle. I think it's Blue. Hard to say yet, positive opinions develop more sharply than negative ones for me.>secret boss thoughtsMad Dummy is there solely to make the secret boss a Kris parallel again as far as I can tell and on the one hand that kind of sucks ass. But on the other hand, Kris getting Spamton, the one he actually related to and bonded with, dethroned as his "most directly relatable schizoboss" in favor of an anime catgirl figurine, when he seethes at the mere idea of using a single anime word, is some of the funniest shit I can imagine.>which itemsTried to be pragmatic, so I picked armors over weapons. Seth's glasses, Yellow's hat, Green's apron.>eggIt was easy enough to find thanks to the hint.I LOVE TV
>>741844749Should be able to go to it any time before the final boss.
>>741844554>>741844715It is just shitty writing. You guys got stockholm syndrome from earlier chapters dragging you along. But deltarune has always been this gay and lame
>>741844738yes, there is an elemental system in the game
>>741844749You can backtrack through the whole dark world via regular old warp doors until you beat the final boss, none of the weirdo chapter 3/4 stuff.
>all these people picking the yellow hatWhy?
>>741844715Toby is a good writer though. The suselle forcing is the only shitty part about it.>>741844727Ralsei doesn't have thorns.Know what does? The vine.
>>741844832stick it on ralsei and maybe it gives a better heal i think
>>741844832cowboys are cool
>>741844738>noelle voting for the kids she and kris used to be, because she still thinks they deserve to winwhat the actual fuck tobyyou write suselle like dogshit then whip this out in the middle of the festival? what's you game here?
Big Shot > Black Knife > Cutie Mew Mew Magic >= The World Revolving > Hammer of Justice
Aqua Cunny
>>741844765How the fuck did I miss two of the questions? I'm going too fast I guess.>favorite fight overallFlowery, great use of a new soul mode even if it does feel a bit limited.>platformingFun, but underutilized as it is now. I expect when it returns we'll get some small changes to how it handles, maybe a small dash, as well as some more tougher stuff to do with it of course.
>>741844863>Cutie Mew Mew Magic >= The World RevolvingYou should be shot ASAP
>chapter 5 out of 7 and we’re still doing the comedy filler bs where nothing of interest happensthe staggered release was the worst possible thing that could have happened, I tell ya.
>>741844603Ralsei is a girl and she disguised herself as the Prince to trick the Prophecy
>>741844715it has to be true. i'm running on fumes here. >>741844782yes but not THIS gay and lame. either it's the tranny writers and toby's handwaving on creative decisions "in the ballpark" or it's on purpose. I fear option A so I chose to delude myself like susie
>>741844526>balloonThat's just normal sad.>tree cakeIt's a meme from like 2022.https://dic.pixiv.net/a/バウムクーヘンエンドBasically, some person on twitter got cucked by two of their friends, then went home and ate a tree cake and cried.This then became a meme. Tobert's game has a tree cake this chapter.
>>741844863Big Shot = World Revolving > Black Knife > Hammer of Justice > Cutie Mew Mew
>>741844727I can't believe I became one of the "only cares about weird route now" people. Oh my fucking god man. Toby's going to come out as a woman after chapter 7 comes out.
>ralsei does fireshock>check the menu at the first chance I get>the game didn't add fireshock to his spellsKILL YOURSELF TOBY
>>74184483220% more spell effectiveness that stacks with whatever you can get Ralsei/Susie's magic stat to?
>>741844746THE PLOT THICKENSIf this is what’s really going on I’ll personally congratulate Toby and buy him flowers, because it would be absolute LUDOKINO. >>741844554>>741843243Doesnt Noelle ALSO say the relationship between Noelle and Kris was forced? Maybe because SHE was the girl from the prophecy?
>K.... Kris?>KRIS!!!!!>SAY IT!!!!!!
>>741843873>favoriteflowery, easily won me over by the end>least favoritesusie>favorite fightyellow and blue's court case or flowery>gimmicki really enjoyed it and hope they utilize it for a full proper boss fight in the future>secret bosscomplete shit, goes on for way too long, does too much damage, gimmick and dialogue wears itself thin after the first few tries. i did notice the sprite looks like a live a live one and that was nice>itemshat, glasses, scarf>did you get the eggyes>do you love tvI LOVE TV
>>741844857>>741844932Oh shit I thought it was just offensive spells (so just Rude Buster and a hypothetical Fireshock later)
>>741844862Dessriel fuckers won hard this chapter but as a side effect, we know for a fact that Dess being gone completely destroyed Asriel.
>>741844862see >>741843243 and >>741844554it's all a psyop >>741844939pic related
>>741844909We needed 5 hours of filler to only show that Asgore can't get his family back and that characters changed because that really wasn't obvious amready.
How did we go from "connect to Mystery Man's DEVICE" to "you're watching the terminal from Homestuck and putting in tapes"
>>741844449>>741844554>>741844746i'm fucking hoping this is the case and honestly it's what my gut feeling is telling me, but at the same time i was still overall so disappointed in this chapter outside of the weird route that i don't know if i have faith in toby to not go full retard
>>741844913Toby’s such a fucking degenerate, holy shit. I can’t believe this is the same kid that didn’t eat during a homestuck meetup because he was fasting for Jesus
>>741844939>it would be absolute LUDOKINO.Would it? I don't think it would save this travesty of cuckoldry
>>741844939she was bullshitting susie there, see >>741844862and pic relnoelle remember exactly what she felt with kris and cherishes it
>>741844919I know I've seen his team members call Toby "they" right before the chapter released.
>>741844967We have to shatter the twilight reverie at the edge of shadow, clearly
*/v/... Let's do something crazy...*And go somewhere no one has ever been before...!
>>741844738the dark world stats are completely fate and we've known this for a long timeLV is referred to as fake lv in the filesthe only thing that matters, just like undertale is your actual physical strength and your intentsure some schizo items like the mantle and whatever the knight is made of can help to an extentdespite the cheats Flowery is a fucking potted flower with nothing special going for him meanwhile susie can actually push back with her actual strength despite wielding a fucking comb
>Ralsei being they.Are we going to see a fusion or some shit between Kris and Ralsei or something. We still don't have the song SYNTHESIS yet.
>>741843893>twisted route is real and we give kris agency to do something>entire plot is derailed so fucking hard that even gaster didnt predict something like this>probably beating the shit out of him for making me watch an entire hour of susie getting groomed to cannonball into some doe pussy>maybe even beating the shit out of toby fox too
So deltatroons lost?InterestingI only care about rule 34 Noelle content
>susie is loosely aware of the fourth wall and never said anything until now???????????
>>741845059Asgore has a very interesting line about Ralsei, not viewing him as a monster. There's something about his identity.
>>741844839then it would be "its"
>>741845059It’s the gradual slide to trans ralsei.
>>741845016Oh nononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono
>>741845089you wonsnuff fetish artnoelle is kinkyhahamurder makes her wet!
>Goes on a 3 minute long rant about how soaking wet she got from us ordering her to kill BerdlyDid Toby go too far this time?
>>741844863I can't enjoy Hammer of Justice because all I hear in the opening is Paralyzer.
>>741845093The Dark World is full of talking objects and magic. A floating battle HUD ranks low on the list of weird things she's seen
>>741845089>Noelle R34 You are in for some deep shit
>>741845089They lost but I won because I never liked this game. I'm literally just here to see the meltdowns and cope sessions
>>741845098Ralsei is either Kris' corpse, Kris' tulpa, or the ROOTS whatever the fuck they are.
>>741845128It's the only thing keeping Deltarune redeemable I'm saying this as someone who was Toby's biggest shooter up through ch4
>>741845016stop the fucking count.
>>741845089Congrats anon, give it like 3 days and you'll have like 200 new images to pick from.
>>741845015why is she talking like william shatner
>>741845128That whole scene is just Noelle accepting the beautiful darkness within her. That thrill of being in control and of being strong.
>>741845173
I said the writing and overall vibe was off on chapter 3 & 4, I didn't like them and people gave shit for it but I saw the writing on the wall.
>>741845128No, it's fine. By reversing the direction of the rape allegory, the damage from chapter 4 has been undone. That's how it works
>>741845173millennial writing + weebese
>>741845016Tbf trannies tend to do that for everyone by default.
>>741845001This game is a perfect case study of the dangers of the chapter release format.Build up needs a payoff, even if there are unanswered questions. Asking the audience to remain on the edge of our seat with bated breath for a whole year without even subconsciously coming to conclusions about how we feel about it is just a recipe for disaster.
>>741845016oh my godit's been 10 years since toby created undertale in the sweltering summer of 2015 in andrew hussie's basementten years later, it's happening again
>Chapter 5 Normal Route writing is so abysmally dogshit pacifistfags are 180ing into genofagstruly we are all Chara on this blessed day
>>741845194That bitch on the left is hot
>Chapter 5 Weird Route
>>741845140Is it really?I think it's about what you'd expect.
>>741845016>Toby is just copying Hussie’s life 1:1This dog is the ultimate copycat
>>741845232LET US DESTROY THIS WORLD AND MOVE ONTO THE NEXT.AND THE NEXT.AND THE NEXT AND THE NEXT AND THE NEXT AND THE NEXT.
>no ralsei solo fight>no noelle in the dark world>no yiik asriel cliffhangerAll of my predictions were wrong
>>741845105don't unpersonify the vine. Plants have feelings in this chapter.
>>741842835"femboys" were always tranny shit that was too afraid to fully commit to dick mutilation.
>>741842149supposedly, there is a new "aborted weird route" if you drown instead of PROCEED-ing that does change some dialogues, people are still finding them
>>741845098i think that was just about him being a darkener, that's what all of ralsei's identity stuff is about and it was pretty well established early on, but troons are grasping at fucking straws to try and make it about themselves like they do with everything
>>7418368352>4>3>5>12 had queen, weird route, 2 spamton neo fights, pipis, gave us the sweepstakes, and the best ending to a chapter so far1 is only lowest cuz of length but jevil is the second best secret boss and Pink is the worst one
>play chapter 1 as a teen>>get existential crisis for not getting bussy irl after seeing ralsie>play chapter 5 in my 20s>>get existential crisis for not experiencing deep but twisted love with someone after seeing noelle suicide pactI hate this fucking game.
>>741845232maybe i should play undertale againsimpleridentity bullshit was written subtly
>>741841413everyone dies is the satisfying ending
>>741845284NOELLEDO NOT PROCEED
>>741843983>toxotranny avatarfag
>>741845016where?
>>741844130We already know what Susie was originally indented to be by the ProphecyThe DragonA Chapter 1 Miniboss in the style of Birdly as seen by her heavy resonance with Lancer and initial unwillingness to go along with everything.
I really should get around to playing Undertale and Deltarune (or at least the former), but from what you guys talk about with the latter it seems completely asinine that you're able to make some choices, yet if they're going the romance way that it isn't an option to pick Susie, Noelle, or neither (in the old days we may have gotten a joke harem option too but alas these days the young people seemingly would shit a brick)? You want to let the protag have the option to make googly eyes at Ralsei or for Susie and Noelle to get together if the protag doesn't make choices to show interest okay, fine, but fuck if any of this is accurate it just seems Is it really shit like >>741836880 ?>>741842726 This kind of shit just ruins whatever motivation there is to play a title rolling out episode by episode with this kind of crap. Some anons are talking about that it could be resolved in the end by plot shit here and there, that things are supposed to suck for the moment as a story mechanic, but if others are correct about new writers and partnering with the pieces of shit who ruined skullgirls, tranny propaganda and gay everywhere etc.. that's just exhausting. Its a pity because it seems like these games have a rather unique world and somewhat in depth gameplay mechanics, but if its like the anon who made the comparison to Attack on Titan's (original) endings that makes me not want to make my time because the journey is very hard knowing that the ending is that degree of bullshit.
>>741842726Why do I keep stumbling into the worst timelines
>>741843873>favorite characterFlowery. I hate him in a very good way.Honorable mention goes to Yellow while he was in his suicide arc pre Blue encounter.Seeing the gigantic red blood smear where the hole was dug for him while backtracking caught me off guard, had me laughing so fucking hard.>LEAST favorite characterBlue. I genuinely couldn't tell if this fag was supposed to be a man or a woman.I was really hoping we'd encounter a Darkner who was the original holder of the ThornRing (they lost their ring somehow) and they'd be a Weird Route exclusive boss.I was hoping it'd be the blue flower. Didn't happen at all.Blue feels like a butchered character.>favorite fightFlowery. Mew Mew would have been the favorite with a good handful of changes.>thoughts on the 2d platformer gimmick. keep in mind that you'll probably see more of it in chapter 6It's great, not much else to say>thoughts on the secret bossSo close yet so far to being a satisfying secret boss.The gameplay is pretty good but everything else misses all of the notes that would actually make her a satisfying secret boss.It's fucking agonizing, especially since I predicted Mew Mew would be the secret boss long before Chapter 5 came out.Mew Mew similar to Blue feels like a butchered character.She could have been a new spin on a darkner born from sufferingkino fictional media finding a Dark World where she doesn't have to suffer anymore.Asgore liked Mew Mew 2, which was the dark mature series meant for adults.I really wish Mad Dummy wasn't there at all.Also I agree with these anons. >>741844618 >>741844765>which secret boss items did you pickApron, glasses, book>did you get the eggFound the room it was in but couldn't trigger it. >do you love TV (yes)I. LOVE. TV. PLEASE COME BACK.
SAY IT, ANONFUCKING SAY IT
>>741843684I warned you we wouldn't get a dess or knight reveal but you didn't listen
>>741844832honestly, because I liked Undertale Yellow
How do you have a fever dream that makes you wanna become an indie game developer and then accidentally write something more compelling than a hamfisted lesbian romance that only yurifags with goggles welded to their faces enjoy?
>>741845089the amount of wild>Tags: Drowningyou are about to find will be written in the history books
>>741845319deep....t-twisted love...like this?
What’s the significance of the aborted weird routes and how does it change depending on when you abort it? There’s just no way shit gets swept under the rug.
>>741845203Wait, you can actually get on the ferris wheel with Noelle?Every time I hit that option she just said no
>>741845361>others are correct about new writers and partnering with the pieces of shit who ruined skullgirlsthis is 100% true. Toby also is reported to greenlight anything "in the ballpark" of his vision. he gave the trannies an inch. they're taking a mile. ce la vi
>>741845398Trannies are just that annoying. They made even Toby give up on his dream game project
>>741845387*Proceed
>>741845431You have to pick the Noelle option in chapter 2 and force it.
>>741845446source?
>>741845431you have to put Kris and Her as the king and queen first, she'll get nostalgic, actual writing occurs, and she'll stop the yurislop for a moment and show actual character rather than caricature
>>741845025>Don't worry /v/...being submerged doesn't hurt too much...>Sure, your lungs might burn,>Your heartrate will skyrocket,>You may lose consciousness...>The light will run low...>And the shadows may start to grow...>But look on the bright side!>You won't be alone!>I'll be right there!>...with you....>...in the dark...>We'll go in TOGETHER>We'll escape, side by side...>And when we come out the other side...>After our baptism...>After our REBIRTH...>We'll finally be FREE.
>>741843873>favorite characterSeth and Aqua>LEAST favorite characterNoelle on normal route>favorite fightdidnt beat it yet but schizo trash gang with k round freedom motif is funny, dark world wise the one where the banger mmx music plays>thoughts on the 2d platformer gimmick. keep in mind that you'll probably see more of it in chapter 6I rather more of that than the climbing stuff, that climbing shit is already over used>thoughts on the secret bossDisappointing but the idea of ghost lightners is playing well towards hospital dark world theory, should have been a ralsei solo fight to even out the solo fights but whatever>which secret boss items did you pickDidnt beat her yet>did you get the eggYes>do you love TV (yes)Duh
>>741845089likewise
>>741845485>the random innocuous choices you make all the way back in older chapters keep coming back neato
>>741843714I don't know. Earlier in the chapter, assuming you don't have Star Walker, Ralsei will offer himself as your princess in the climbing mini game. I still think he's going to be a boy though but I can understand why people would freak out.
i havent had a game make me want to kill my "friends" this badly since smt4atoby if you give me a twisted route where kris gets to stab the fuck out of his friends i will forgive everything
fucking based
>>741845505Which once again adds credence to the idea of something being UP with the way she behaves most of the festival.The "cope" about Suselle we've had for the last couple chapters has become more possible than ever, at the cost of Suselle advancing anyway.Cruelest of ironies.
>>741845505why is she like this?do people like noelle exist?you go to whoever's currectly showing you some attention?did she ever go to Kris first?
>>741843876toby hired the people who fucked up skullgirls? seriously?
>trannies ruin another videogameIT KEEPS HAPPENING
>>741845431afaik you have to vote for noelle as festival queen, which makes her remember the two of them voting for each other instead of asriel and dess when they were kids and her getting upset after they lost because she really wanted to winit happened right before the ferris wheel ride mentioned in ch2 and 4
You Krisfags are so triggered lmao, making all these bullshit scenarios about the chapter being a failure, when on twitter and blusky everyone's posting art and memes and having a good time with the revelations.
>>741843986>>741843932pussy
>>741845589>do people like noelle exist?yes, unfortunately. dont ask me how i know
Niggas will scream and shout that they want a yandere gf until they actually have to deal with yandere gf antics.
At this point I'm convinced the fever dream (the real Deltarune) is the B-side and Tobert is giving these other people leniency because the A-side really, truly does not matter at this point.
>>741845128and then she got us both soaking wet
>>741845649do...they talk like...this?
>>741845348Specifically in the Something Awful forums deltarune thread. Everdrad or something, the photoshop flowy animator.
>>741845570SMT4A massacre ending for me is less about the friends being annoying and more like despising the human's pitiful form and state of being in 4. That is to say, that this route actually solves the problem. The weird route might do some insidious things though that even Earm/friend/whoever doesn't even like it.
>>741845668A generic-ish game that exists in low detail in the background being broken in half does sound more like a fever dream than a game that was just crazy the whole time...
>>741843243I thought the whole point of Susie pouring her heart out right there at the end to you was her basically admitting that she is your ride or die. The whole Noelle focus at the end is supposed to be the red flag because (You) dont want it to happen but Kris ended up making it so. Susie is all gung ho bringing her in but it ends with a shot of you in the dark cause you know Noelle is gonna get fucked.Like I have my gripes with this chapter, with it basically cementing that Toby's fucking idea of splitting this shit up was a fucking mistake cause none of these gripes would even fucking exist if we had a complete package, but this is where I expected the story to go.
>>741844912i was inspired to make this
>>741845652Yandere is just BPD but JAPANESE
>>741845597I recall meeting toby personally last year and he referred to himself with they/them pronouns.
>>741844863Big Shot > Black Knife > >The World Revolving > Hammer of Justice > Cutie Mew Mew MagicAir waves and Trash gang clear all of these though
>>741845668the hard, awful reality: toby got desperate to finish this and let all the trannies and women he hired to finish it for him before 2030. he will not reign them in either.
>>741845446Why? Why would he do either one of these things? Clearly the games are very successful and he doesn't need that kind of help, a publisher etc... so why would he work with the people who claimed skullgirls was problematic? Why them for something like this? Atop that, this is a small indie project, why is he giving trannies anything? I'd think he'd had some sort of maximum autism about the creation he's been working on for so long and wouldn't want anyone fucking it up. If he needed others to help develop or whatever to make it easier, sure but its like someone who knows better getting that dragonbaby moron who ruined localizations left and right to translate your JP title... its not like there aren't other options?! That's to say nothing about having this new infection of LGBT garbage jam their fetishes and 'representation' everywhere it doesn't belong, much less in someone else's project. I mean, Undertale/Deltarune is not being run by fucking Blizzactivision they don't have some need to kowtow and promise to never criticize some walking pink haired stereotype and let them ruin the games in excuse for being deemed not-problematic-anymore etc? Why would he make these decisions ifaccurate?
Idk why you guys are freaking out. This is also the chapter that very clearly explicitly confirms that Kris has a (currently one-sided) crush on Susie. He HATES suselle just as much as (You) do.You're getting the throuple ending. You think lesbians are woke? That's weak baby woke shit. The dog is going all in on the harem ending by disguising it as a "polycule" or whatever they call it nowadays. Toby's self insert fantasy of having two furry gfs dressed in the trojan horse of a progressive, groundbreaking romance route that has never been done in an rpg before.The perfect crime.
>>741845683no they just sound like raving lunatics and send you 50 texts at 3am asking if youre dead and/or cheating on them
Shout out to my nigga Flowery. Not seeing enough respect for him here
>>741845715Saved
any story that relies on characters withholding information from the reader is a shit story
>>741845707susie deciding to include noelle felt really out of left field at the end of the chapteri legitimately thought she was talking about going to carol because despite their issues, she is the mayor and does have the power to actually do shitbut no, susie decides noelle for some reason
>>741845747Genuinely and without exaggeration the worst chapter villain in the game thus far.
>>741845319You're a very emotionally immature man if you're still being effected by deltarune writing as a grown man
Okay just did Chapter 5Holy shit the yuri is unbearable but the rest was fine. It felt like mostly spectacle though.Sex with Aqua
>>741845739That's assuming they all survive to the end in any routes.
>>741845747nigger tenna made a post >>741843873 that has the majority of replies putting flowery at the tophe's the GOAT
>>741845642>the revelationsname one
>>741845739They did that shit in Jade Empire back in 2005
Gaster just watched two teenagers drownBased
>>741845739>another incel copejust accept tthe reality already. the two are lesbians, and kriscucks are just the representation of a sheltered incel. that's what the schizo route its all about.ruining other's happiness for your own weird vibes.
>>741845581If it's ludonarrative in the end, it will be worth it. This chapter turned cringe fanfic writing up to 11 and with all the pronoun-coming-out scene tier twitterslop it was WAYYY harder to stomach. Like, I thought the gay guards were funny but i fucking HATE Blue. The new writers really really really fumbled and I still feel it all being a psyop is cope and not reality. >>741845715fvckin SAVED
>>741845715>huge part of chapter 4's message was coming clean, no more secrets, ralsei realizing that keeping his friends in the dark was only going to cause more problems down the line and he was committed to transparency moving forward, no more vagueposting about the prophecy>chapter 5 >ralsei HATES flowery, not just because "only one dark world allowed" but because more bullshit stuff that he won't talk about but can only be inferred or speculated about, leaves everything open ended and doesn't talk to kris/susie about his feelings, complete character assassination>also now asgore has joined in on the vagueposting and we're supposed to care, only things we get told definitively are things we've known since chapter 2
>>741838085it's honestly a parody by now>shun>bridget>jax>now ralseifor fucks sake leave my pink gayboys alone, why do they all gotta get turned into women?it's unironically really sexist if you think about it.anyway, after beating the game i don't care about the yurishit despite being a krusie fan. it's poorly written but frankly even if it went full krusie i feel like i would've been annoyed.what bothers me is everything else. the flowers were neat but also too simple to hold an entire chapter basically alone. flowery has a lot of setup about breaking the 4th wall and does nothing with it really.we are in the dark world of the only person who truly knows what happened to dess and we learned NOTHING about her. we're 5 chapters in and no straightforward reveal yet. i'm so tired of this constant "come back next chapter and maybe you'll get another hint".especially when this is the 6th or 7th time in a row a character is about to explain something "big" only for a joke to stop him and then the topic is never brought up again.also goddamn ralsei was so fucking pissed at flowery and that too went nowhere besides "he can use fire". i got it he was mad flowery was "cheating" and "ruining the game" but fuck, is my summary really all there was to it? shit i seriously thought ralsei was gonna explain, at least to the audience, some 4th wall stuff.christ did this chapter kill any narrative momentum. usually when i don't like something i understand why others would like it, like digital circus' ending, but here i feel like the only way you can give this chapter anything more than a 6/10 is if you are a brainrotted normalfag who sees hot lesbian action and that's enough for your subhuman iq standard.
>>741845652What people really want is just a GF they can be mutually codependent with that is willing to be the the more active member in the relationship.But because that concept is deemed negative in most cultures for various reasons if acknowledged at all, those urges get channeled into the yandere archetype.>>741845724Ackshually the Japanese term for BPD chicks is Landmine Girl.
>>741845827But kris being in hell makes me happy
need a download link bros i'm not paying for this shit
>>741844727Deltarune uses singular They in a lot of non-they/them places, dumbass, and the titles always have weird phrasing.
Honestly I think the first signs of Susie getting a little fucking weird were right when she saw her prophecy panel, and the pillar climb where she talks about it>I've never been picked for anything but now I'm the special girl with hope crossed on her heart!That's right after the last substantial interaction with Gerson and it feels like such a 180, from being inspired by the guy who literally introduces himself by smashing the prophecy panels, to completely falling under its spell, becoming obsessed with her "role" and now she prefers fantasy to reality.
>>741843893finally reveal ANYTHING about dess and what the fuck happenedor at least what is the shelter/the origin of the dark worlds
>>741845739>Idk why you guys are freaking out. This is also the chapter that very clearly explicitly confirms that Kris has a (currently one-sided) crush on Susie.>Kris constantly teases a certain monster girl while also caring deeply for her in both the past and presentThere isAnother.
>>741845320Eh, I don't miss Undertale. Doe better
>>741845874virus.com/download/deltarune.mp3.exe
>>741845843That's where my mind is at for the time being.Once the story is finished, and we have the full picture, I'm sure these annoyances will seem like a feature rather than a bug.The issue is that we've got a while left before we're actually finished with this thing, so we're left with something that isn't even a cliff hanger. It feels more like just shutting a movie off at a random point.
>>741845776Whats left field about it?>Noelle isnt a meme character and has legit powers>her moms a fucking cunt>she knows the prophecy is at hand but now that real people keep getting dragged into it she might as well follow it in hopes that some get savedPlus the whole meta narrative that the CH 1 started out with that this fucking ride isnt changing course. Noelle is gonna sit in that fucking chair. Plus as far as Im concerned the mom pushed the fucking dad off that ladder
>>741845893fuck offfffffff omggggggggggggg!
Aqua/Flowery/Seth/Green/Orange SAVED this fucking chapter from being so much worse
Aqua, Seth, and Flowery are basedEveryone else is cringe.Susie is especially cringe now.
>pulls out a bomb with a pink and yellow flashing icon on it>"RESET." appears on the screen>grandpasemi.ogg playswhat
>>741845893How do you cope with Flowery saying that he thinks Ralsei wants the "blue and pink" flavor and Ralsei admitting it, and then Flowery calling Ralsei princessLiterally why would Toby, who knows and understands how trannies behave when thrown red meat, throw that red meat if he doesn't want to have people running around saying "CALL RALSEI A SHE/THEY OR YOU'RE TRANSPHOBIC" from now on
>>741845994You're a schizo now, that's my attack.
>>741845893dude, just let it go bro. trans is confirmed
>>741845953just the way susie was building up to it seemed like she was actually talking about getting outside help with the whole 'potentially world ending' thing only to pivot back to noelle, who prior to this she wanted to keep away from the dark world stuff
>>741845874https://www.1337x.to/torrent/6671700/DELTARUNE-Chapter-1-5/
>>741845994gaster is trying to tell you to turn this fucking ship aroundsink it if you have to
>>741845668In a way I agree. Weird Route/Side-B does have that fever dream feeling to it, if only because the idea of "you find a secret that lets you manipulate a character in the story so hard they become self aware and break the game and basically commit suicide with you" sounds like weird nightmare shit
>Pacify the secret boss on the first tryI thought you'd be stronger...
>>741845734i've been fearing exactly this since i learned the whore who ousted Mike Z was on the teamchapter 3 and 4 were masterpieces in writing and characterization. the yuribait one-sided and faggotry vague enough to not bother normalfags while still allowing schizos to latch on. this... this feels like deltatraveler. A high budget, well polished deltatraveler.
>>741845280
>>741845971The good parts of this chapter are unironically 9/10 or 10/10But the bad parts are so unforgivably a 2 or 3/10, Blue is the absolute worst and could be deleted entirely and the giant plot holes of "where the fuck is the blue flower" would still be better than the shit we got, characters like Noelle have gotten overbearing and still read like a Mary Sue OCIt's the most polarizing chapter, we'll have to see if people warm up to it over time like they did with Chapter3, or if it will remain THE turning point where everything went to shit
>>741845994What pink and yellow icon? I just saw a pitch black bomb
So how does the weird route affect the other save files? Does Noelle remember our snowgraves????
Toby should’ve worshipped nips harder and done the most nip thing ever with his dojin gameNever hire a team and work on it for 10 years by yourself
>>741846074ppl still think teh blue and pink drank aint a trans allegory like omfgggggggggg sjsjslskssjskdsksks
>>741845859codependency is a hell of a drug, anon. >t. never trust a MPDG
>>741845739I've seen enough big posts with soul fusion theories that I think there might be a different path other than polyharam whatever.
What the FUCK is a jarona
>>741845843Well thats the big problem with Toby' ultimate decision of making each chapter its own game. If some newbie who never played this shit before just slammed all 5 chapters in one sitting then it would just feel like a small part of a bigger story, but when each chapter has to be its own special fucking game and you are there for the ride every step of the way minority characters like fucking Blue come off as bigger as they are. Like honestly I didnt treat Blue anymore then the gag character that he is, like Im sure Toby's team is full of fags but its not like Blue ever had some grand arc about him anymore then the other cast(plus if any side flower was the main star it was Teal/Purple) but Im not surprised some anons felt like they got such a big focus cause they waited a whole year just to get that
>>7418458035 posts out of eleven
kino
It's incredible how in the course of one chapter Susie went from my favorite character to my most hated one. That's a real accomplishment.
>>741846101they're talking about the fuse
>>741846086explain how he's wrongi really want to know
>>741843243>>741843426>>741843609Don't forget what Gerson told us last chapter.>Y'know, I've got a mighty hunch this ain't the right way.>...Though, I do like goin' the wrong way.>You get better ideas that way.Side B will not be even remotely good or happy (Ralsei says so himself), but the things learned from it will be the only way to access the ending.This directly ties into The Legend of Tenna and Mantle. TLoT is a bunch of fun, wacky adventures, but you are railroaded into a curated experience. Mantle is dark and joyless, but gives you hints on how to break the prophecy.TLoT is Side A. Mantle is Side B. Mantle teaches us how to access Side B, and Side B teaches us how to break the prophecy.I suspect that the "ending" of Mantle also ties into this. There is no ending, HERO_SWORD gets softlocked and Kris has to grab the reward from inside the game. Given that Deltarune "only has one ending", I imagine that Side B is going to end with the player softlocked with nothing they can do to continue the game, aside from "taking their reward" (knowledge of how to break the prophecy) and using it somewhere else.
>>741845971The only way this turns out good is if the people saying this is all on purpose with Susie becoming delusional and not just nonstop character assassination.
how the fuck did we get the asgore-centric chapter and STILL have no idea what the fuck he did that made him leave the police
>>741846098honestly noelle's writing was pretty good everywhere outside of the state mandated suselleit's susie that was written pretty poorly throughout this time, which is both jarring and very unfortunate considering how ch4 ended
>>741846137I'd drink the pink and blue juice too.Everyone knows those are the two best tasting colors.Red and Blue is a close contender.
>>741846126Right now? No effect. But completing Chapter 5 on the Weird Route taints all of your save files with a flag similar to Genocide Route in Undertale. Your snowgraves are remembered.
>>741846209probably not finding dess
The first hour of this chapter is some of the worst content ever designed.Rest is pretty fun though.Writing is really fucking weird unless there's a mind control (not Kris) subplot going on though.
>>741846145shamone come on now
>>741845953Going to the festival is a bad idea according to Ralsei, even when Kris sleeps through it in weird route he tells her not to wake him up, something upset Susie enough to break the prophecy, Noelle should be kept away from the dark world
>>741845930Mhm, the love triangle is very explicitly a plot point that's only going to become more relevant and tragic as the story reaches its climax. The one susselle scene at the beach literally has Kris overhearing the whole thing while laying limp on a table utterly depressed, and the story is not going to be resolved with them just being told to suck it up while he claps and cheers for the epic lesbians. People are just pre-emptively calling it because they want to find a reason to feel mad and justify their insecurities. They WANT to feel cucked, because they can pity themselves and go "woe is me!" afterwards.I believe the relationship drama of this game will pay off satisfactorily. This isn't undertale all over again, and that is a point the dog has made multiple times across multiple chapters. Either way, I look forward to the year or so of anons melting down over fictional people making fun of them on their heads
>>741846074nta but im glad that im not the only one who thought this chapter felt like a fangame>wildly out of character moments for everyone>flowers feel like someones shitty fanfic interpretations of the humans>undertale references are extremely hamfisted like the "pacifist root" joke>setting makes no sense, going from a garden to a random japanese castle>the author's favorite ship is forced to the detriment of the plot, writing and characters
>Flowery called Ralsei a princess and told him to be true to himselfI am calling it now.Ralsei is a girl, not a boy.And it's not in the trans way, it's actually Ralsei trying to fit into the prophecy as the prince from the dark.This is my Naoto Shirogane theory.
>>741846027>How do you cope with Flowery saying that he thinks Ralsei wants the "blue and pink" flavor and Ralsei admitting it, and then Flowery calling Ralsei princessThe drinks were themed around existing character color schemes. Blue and Pink matches up with Kris's Darkworld colors/Frisk's colors, just like how the other drinks matched up with other common color schemes in the game.You're just trying to force this meme to derail threads.
>>741846209Toby is the vagueposting king. I wouldn't be surprised if we never got an answer for it.
>>741846250HE SAYS JARONA IN TEXT WHEN HE'S FIGHTING THE KNIGHTWHAT DOES IT MEAN????
>>741846248Blue and Yellow genuinely got on my fucking nerves and it dragged on way too long but other than that I agree
I need Aqua and Seth threesome immediately.
>>741846236That's ominous as fuck...
>>741846209we know with certainty now that it had something to do with dess' disappearance, whereas before it was just speculation still no idea what the fuck actually happened though, outside of it almost certainly being dark world related
>>741846263so who would be the prince thenlancer?mystery DARKNER?
>>741846287heehee
>>741846227part of what makes a mary sue is how every other character treats herIn the original star trek parody fanfic that spawned the term mary sue, every character from the show wants to inexplicably worship the ground she walks onthis has been a thing in DR since the beginning but chapter 3-5 have really amped it up
>>741846290Yeah they sucked, though Yellow was fine until Blue showed up. I liked Flowery, Seth, and Aqua enough to look past it.
>>741846274You know you made a bait post, you know Kris is not associated with pink, you know Toby knows what people will react to "pink and blue" getting thrown around, and you know after that "pink and blue" he gets called a "princess" and doesn't challenge it. You know.
>>741846059It stands out so much it's hard to imagine it's not part of his original inspiration.
>>741846290Yellow himself is funny as fuck but as soon as Blue arrives to try and make sure the audience knows his suicidal behavior is a relatively Serious Deal and he needs to be treated nicely, Yellow gets much more boring.
>>741846258For me it was every single character being LGBT or disabled.
>>741846184Don't forget what Susie's solution was, before she decided to go all in on delusion.It's better if stuff just goes on forever, right?
>>741846309Probably mystery darknercould also be seam or something
>>741846352yellow pre-blue: 10/10yellow post-blue: 4/10
>>741835232Why does the game think I can't play the piano?
>trannies ruin another videogame I loveI’m so sick and tired of this
Did Susie get replaced with a different character after chapter 4?Did the Dark World fuck her up
this chapter has lot of kino
>>741846335i really believed that ch3 & 4 were playing up susie to get completely crushed in ch5 but no, the opposite happened and the game seems to be bending itself to what she wants i'm starting to thing the reality warping theorists may be on to something, it's way too jarring even compared to ch4 and that shit was only last year
>>741846274Blue and pink means trans.Case. Closed.
it's impossible to resist entering these threads even though I should be catching up
>find Man for the fifth and last time>places his hand on Kris' shoulder and smiles>says you shouldn't try to look for him anymoreMade me sad
What the fuck is gonna happen narratively to chapter 5/6 if you wrong warp to 7 with the lake out of bounds? Assuming there truly is one ending and the prophesy has to both followed and subverted, what will replace kris/(You) in flower king? Ralsei being elated to see you implies he expected solo suzie to arrive.
>>741846338>you know Kris is not associated with pink,Literally the only colors on his darkworld sprite are shades of blue and pink. Also, immediately after that dialog, you have Kris getting to pick which drink ticket he takes, and your options are>Blue and Pink (Frisk's sweater/Darkworld Kris)or>Yellow and Green (Asriel's sweater/Lightworld Kris)Stop shitposting about a game you haven't played.
>>741846098Flower pronoun scene is the epitome of it. if written by non retards:>uuu! Seth! Seth! Do you have a boy name or girl name!>W-what? I-I'm a boy human of course! No wait- I mean girl human. No wait I mean- What's the difference again?>I don't know. I am a flower>Oh... Okay. Than do I have to pick right now?>only if you pick to play with me!see? not so fucking hard. infinitely more palletable and gets across your message better. you don't need an "Everyone clapped" moment. >t. chud
>>741836880>the cowboy is gay for the ballerina zesty guy because...he just is (this is his entire character btw that he wants blue's cock)
>>741846274You. Are. Baiting.See >>741846338
>>741846209He obviously took the fall for whatever happened
>>741845895the 180 feels weird because it's completely abrupt. bad pacing, why not let her sit with the indoctrination a bit instead of just randomly going "oh gee i'm special I better follow it for no raisin"
>>741846406seam says not to stick around when it gets dark outside i wonder if that's what he meant, not monsters but people getting 'corrupted' within them
>>741846406You could argue that the prophecy buckbroke her, especially "love finds its way to the girl"
>>741846456>>741846415>>741846338least obvious thread derail attempt of all time
Let me ask you this. What is chapter 5 ABOUT? What is its place in the narrative? What did a chapter this fucking long do to advance Deltarune as a project? How did the status quo change?
>>741846236>taintsThis isn't Undertale retard
I feel like it's genuinely on purpose that everything gets worse whenever the topic is Susie and Noelle.It's unnaturally written and character breaking in a way that feels like they're not being normally influence. Susie becomes a literal different person overnight and seeing the prophecy.
The only theory that gained anything this chapter is FemKris. People are now applying the FemKris argument to Ralsei.
>>741846494It's places the rug onto the ground to be pulled from you
>>741846392playing the piano is one of Kris's talents he has that (YOU) do not, it's basically one of the last refuges that keeps him sane knowing he's not completely overtaken by (YOU). he'll even bite his own hand to stop (YOU) from ever learning how to play
>>741846150i dunno, if i played everything front to back, i'd still roll my eyes at unnecessary gay romance #140 after the first 139 times
Imagine if the final chapter of Deltarune ends like picrel...
>>741846309The original trinity is Vessel+Player, The Angel, and GASTERFRIEND. You're welcome.
>>741846406Susie was replaced after chapter 1. Now she got replaced a second time. Get used to it.
>>741846509It's almost like it's written by someone who finds suselle his pet couple and will push it regardless of competent writing, chemistry or anything else...
>>741846539Probably for Side B, cuz fuck you wanting an alternative ending
>>741846209see >>741845715
Maybe the next time don't vote for trump if you want a game don't affected by propaganda
>>741846126
>>741846518aqua is almost certainly supposed to be a parallel to kris as a child, the game even points out that the two of them are even the same colour during her introduction
>>741846494>What is chapter 5 ABOUT?Look at Asgore and Susie and you have your answer.Both of them are delving further into cope and delusion to escape the reality of their situations. The Flower King dark world is regression. Susie has lost herself, Asgore has lost himself. Ralsei gains something, but it may not be enough.If you play Side B, this is explicitly shown to you.
>>741840678Oh no he won't, Oxtos will protect us
The contrast of how bad the normal route starts and what happens in weird is really funny doe
>>741846494It removed Asgore from the plot. He was the only person on Kris's side, so now he's alone.
>>741837957What a shame that people will accept the nosedive in quality because woahhh Seth is a they/them! Susie and Noelle are Lesbians!!!! Like I dont even give a shit about that I give a shit that the OST is forgettable the characters were boring the final boss was NOWHERE NEAR Queen and Tenna and the secret boss is the lamest so far also FUCK THAT ASGORE SHIT AT THE END SO MUCH>this...horrible thing that happened that you knew happened three chapters ago...i just wanted to show them that horrible thing...was not my fault...so horrible...How about fucking saying what it is
Fuck you bitches I love Blue
Post your favorite track(s)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejoz07ouMi0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kGmc1BOyPYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWf9_qSrnOM
>>741846597>Ice-E face is noelleCool
>>741846646You don't exist.
>Chapter all about the flowers that Asgore talks to and tells all his problems to coming to life>We literally do not learn any new information about what happened to AsgoreLiterally how do you botch the concept this hard. You look at the interior of Flower King in ch1 and you think to yourself, "damn, this is a revelation zone". And it turns out to be POINTLESS!
>>741846620doesn't asgore reveal at the end he was just playing along with flowery and actually realized that he needs to stop his cope and move on with his life right before he gets nabbed?
I knew we wouldn't fight Asgore but I was kind of hoping we would.At least he looked serious for a bit instead of going full escapism like Suz is doing.
>>741846539
>>741846646Unironically would have been fine if Blue was a cute girl and nothing else changed
>>741846597>>741846661The face is like that in the normal route frens
>>741846597>>741846661>kris teasing noelle with ice-e was just him comparing her face to hislmao
>>741846518if anything this chapter deconfirmed that, Susie has taken kris's part in the prophecy, and will become the "cage" in chapter 6.
>>741846692He was playing along so Flowery would help him gather up more proof. He was still definitely obsessed with trying to get his family back together.
>>741846726Noelle's face isn't nearly that twisted under normal circumstances
There's no way Toby was invovlved that much with this chapter, even outside of it being filler, which is fine, everything felt like a weird fanfic and nothing like Toby would write
>>741846704maybe we'll never fight a live lightner besides berdly, only dead ones
>>741846290Yellow's fine, if a bit annoyingly retarded. Blue's just boring. They're carried by having one of the better fights in the chapter
>>741846692Initially he was playing along with Flowery specifically to get his evidence and didn't really give a fuck about what the flowers were doing. He comes to his senses at the end and decides to abandon that notion though that might be a mistake in the grand scheme of the prophecy
>>741846597That face she makes is the sexiest face in the entire game
>>741846692Yes, he realized trying to prove the Dark World to everyone was self destructive and ruined his marriage. He was just playing along with the flowers but they couldn't make him happy because his problem wasn't not having people suck up to him.
This chapter is long as shit.... tell me weird route is better, idk if I can take the same lesbian shit again
>>741846685Sorry, characters can only vaguepost. Explaining things would ruin the mystery.
>>741846524Ok. But I can play the piano
>>741846770>mfw (You) Keep saying itnot a sex metaphor btw
>>741846757I meant Ice-E
>>741846798Don't worry, chapter 5's weird route is not long as shit.
>>741846798The weird route kind of saves it but it's not long.Flowery, Aqua, and Seth are doing their best to save the normal route from Toby's taint.
>>741846597>doend function>doe endAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE
>>741846798Weird route explicitly reframes the entire lesbian romance as Susie and Noelle going through some subconcious prophecy mindfuck brainwashing. Pay attention to how strangely Susie is acting as you play.
>>741846751he seems to realize he needs to move on from toriel at the very least, but still wants to spend time with his kids
>>741846798weird route is like 5 minutesthen you have to wait 3 years for chapter 7
>>741846820BUILT for irrumatio
>>741846798If your issue is chapter length, lemme tell you right now, that won't be an issue in weird route!
>>741846798Weird route is the shortest, most blue-ball inducing kino you could ask for
>>741846798Weird route is like five minutes long before we wrong warp to chapter 7 but it's absolute cinema.
I'm so glad that there are so many Dess and Kris smut stories out there. I went searching not expecting much, but I was surprised to find an abundance of them. I'm so glad that people aren't completely tasteless.
>>741846494Susie has stopped treating the Dark World properly in even the slightest capacity.She wants to open it up to anyone she can trust, because the delusion is that much more appealing than what's going on. She now wants to spread it rather than try to keep it contained. She's a fucking idiot being led by the nose straight into the prophecy, so the lightner she's chosen to trust is Noelle. She's completely ignoring the reality of Noelle's circumstances (her dad's mortality is back in the balance again) and the reality of... reality.The other anon who pointed out the parallel to Asgore has it right. Asgore realized in the end that simply telling everyone about the dark world wouldn't solve anything, that even though he had seen through the surface level fantasy of living with his happy Flower family, he was still stuck on a premise that was fundamentally a lie. But rather than get to bond with Susie a bit and help her learn this lesson too, he gets yanked away, and Susie gets traumatized away from learning it instead.
>>741846798weird route somehow tops 4 and (might) save the shit tier writing at the festival
Susie is genuinely being mind controlled by some bullshitHer behavior does not make sense from moment to moment.
>>741846685>are those documents about what happened years ago? no... I can't believe it... I never knew of this...
What's the explanation for the japanese dark world again? because the store doesn't look like japanese at all and when I think about Undertale characters and anime is Alphys
>>741846806I'm only worried at this point that NOTHING is going to get revealed and it will be vagueposting and non-characters like the knight and titans until the end. No FRIEND, no Gaster, not even Gaster followers in their actual form, every interesting shit only hinted at and kever directly tackled. This whole game is just the Papyrus door.
>>741846798ch5 weird route is not only incredibly short but I think it might be one of the best scenes in the whole game so far, that shit is unforgettable and harrowing in a good waynot to mention the possible ramification for future chapters now that Noelle has meta awareness/FREEDOM
>>741846925asgore is a weeaboo
>>741846518Honestly with the fact that any romance in this kusoge is strictly gay and that Susie initially thought Kris and Noelle were together, I believe the femKris theory.
>>741846902i think he's supposed to be comparing his old notes about the dark world with the one he's currently init seemed pretty clear that he had no idea what the fuck was happening the first time around, but does this time
>>741846925There's copies of manga sitting around Asgore's bedroom and the flowers were grown as part of a love confession.
>>741846798Chapter 5 weird route is giygas tier
>>741846173i like gender non conformity. i love tomboys as well btw. the moment they troon out it stops being that and my dick isn't hard anymore.
>>741846925Toby wanted a Japanese remix of Field of Hopes and Dreams.
>>741846685>Noelle thinks we're INTERESTINGWhat did Gaster mean by this?
>>741846925uhhasgore has a manga on his tv and an anime figure that dummy possessed
>>741846852this sounds like cope, toby is a huge yuri fan and has awkwardly shoved such romances in both his games.there is also a rumor going around that he is going to troon out, and it is sounding more plausible by the day.
>>741846942The idea that once side_B is logged that Noelle becomes meta aware for the rest of the game, potentially effecting other saves, is a fucking cool concept if it's actually the case.
>No one posting the unused dialogue
>>741846890Susie doesn't know about what happened to Rudy. The last thing she knows is that he was healthy enough to put up the lights.Noelle gets the call when Susie goes to visit Sans, and Kris opens a dark world instead of updating her.
>>741846748susie 100% believes herself to be the girl thougha big part of the femkris theory is that kris was supposed to be the second hero initially, but changed roles to the cage for whatever reason
lot of people mentioning blue calling ralsei "princess," but did nobody else get the ralsei scene in the climbing minigame at castle town? he shows up in a princess dress and straight up says "i've been a prince for a while now, maybe i could try being a princess for a while"
>>741846942>Grooming our own super ultra schizoboss to eliminate Gaster our creator just cuz
>>741846852How does the weird route reframe that?
>>741844183The bomberman shit had me seeing red
>>741847035Yeah that was cringe pandering
>>741847027yeah, kris just told susie that noelle had to go, deliberately not saying that it was due to rudy's death catching up to him
>literally like 10 hours worth of content in the main route>shadow boss has all the attacks from the weird route mini game>main chapter boss that actually defeats kris with the power of friendship on a normal route>plenty of characters to kill off without impacting the light world.this chapter is a snowgrave tease, nobody wants to wait another 3 years. but in my opinion it was pretty good. chapter 4 was very well made and made perfect sense story wise but 5 defined where characters are at with each other. we got to see a lot of the ideas toby had for undertale played around with and will very likely reunite with our flower friends somehow even if it implies moving the dark fountain.
>>741846942>Snowgrave left me speechless>Equip left me speechless>Proceed spam had me screaming the whole timethe gameplay of the chapter was good as well as some characters but let's be honest this really is Omori 2 where one run is so much better than the other it simply doesn't compare
Am I the only one that thought Noelle screaming at me to continue saying “Proceed” was really penetrative? It was like having sex with her.
>>741847004>there is also a rumor going around that he is going to troon out, and it is sounding more plausible by the day.the most realistic thing is he's probably going to follow hussie's footsteps and just go by "any pronouns" instead of committing to any particular identity.I don't think this should come off as a surprise to literally anyone.
so how long is each chapter
>>741846725Dude not even that just make him not wear the fucking Tutu. Male ballerina's exist and arent expected to have tutu's(however the tutu is an item in Undertale already so got fucked by that a long time ago)
>>741847005>side_A and the prophecy are about maintaining the status quo, only one ending. Nothing ever changes. Susie tells Gerson in ch4 that she wants the story to "just keep on going forever" and to not have an ending>Ralsei snowgrave exclusive dialogue in ch.4 where he says "what would it take for there to be another ending? And what if that was even worse?"honestly the only thing in the game I still care about, snowgrave started out extremely interesting and cool in ch.2 and has continued to be soImagine if the only way to get a true ending is to complete the game and then restart after reaching the drowning scene in a prior savefile to flip the Noelle awareness flag
>>741847029Susie had no part in the original story, she has always been the invader or outsider, the girl is clearly noelle.
>>741847085considering that the entire weird route has abusive relationship and rape undertones, yes you were supposed to think of that
>>741847085When the screen is basically full white, you can hear drum percussion like from a symphony or something as you keep pressing
>>741847036>ralsei is well on his way to also becoming a schizo boss on the normal route>noelle is a single dark crystal and freedom leitmotif away from being a schizo boss>kris is practically broken already and is a single yellow pixel away from FREEDOMsomething tells me i know who the actual final bosses are gonna be
>>741847041"Abandoning" the route mysteriously snaps back to the "normal version of the lake scene, where it literally splices cutins of Noelle having a mental breakdown about how she has no control and can't escape her status as a pawn into the yuri. It could not be overtly negative if you tried.
During the lake scene I said "GAAAAAAASTER!!!" out loud
>>741847074It's omori in that 90% of what you has no bearing on anything and it's a whole lot of nothing between the initial setup and the ending that escalates very quickly
>>741847085It took less than a week to turn Noelle into a rapistShe's finally free
This was the only good IP furries had
>>741847118ch 1 is 2-3 hours more or less, ch 2 is 4-5, ch3 floats around 3, ch4 is around 4ish, and ch5 was like 7, although i may have taken longer because it was exploring and looking for shit the entire time
>>741847085it was unironically the most violent thing i have ever done in a vidya game.
>>741847132>drum percussionlisten to it againthats not any drum percussionthats YOUR BEST FRIEND
>>741838085>>741845847>You’re not the 100% spitting-image stereotype of male?>Woah! There must be something wrong with you…>I think you’re not a man. You must be one of these other things.>Shh… it’s okay baby. The other thing is perfectly fine, valid, and beautiful…I’m honestly just kind of offended by it at this point.It’s just the perfect example of how regressive and backwards the so-called “inclusive thinking” clique has gotten
>>741847213Just downright peculiar...
>>741847187I was going at a pretty good pace (one death while fucking around with foxes) and finished normal route chapter 5 in 5.5 hours (including secret boss)I didn't get the egg though.
>>741847187well shit it's gonna take me a while to make noelle schizo out on my own save
>>741847216>picrel>ever_higher.ogg
>>741835232the festival was a nothing part of the chapter despite being built up for five chapters. i think this is probably the worst chapter so far and this is coming from someone who really enjoyed 3/4.just the amount of heckin' wholesome yuri epstein chungus content is nauseating and embarrassing for anyone above the age of 14. it's just boring. really, really boring. toby can't write romance to save his life, assuming it's even still him writing it and not one of the trannies he has supervising the plot.the actual romance dynamic happening between susie and noelle is full of red flags and the only way he can pull it back and save the rotting, bloated corpse of their dynamic is if he ever calls attention to how unhealthy it is and it ends up being a problem in the story.
>>741847126she was the dragon, maybe noelle's role in the story is strange, i still think kris fits all the requirements for the second hero better than noelle does but a lot of that may be due to noelle lack of focus compared to kris/ susie/ ralsei unless, of course, the second hero and the girl are two different roles
>>741847213It was a real fucking feel
>>741846925I don't think "Japan" exists literally in the Deltarune universe. what we would call Japanese, they would loosely associate with humans
bring him backBRING HIM BACKBRING HIM BACK!!
>>741847004>this sounds like copesee >>741847164
>>741847132>The symphony in questionhttps://litter.catbox.moe/yi86s0mbebtwzwvp.ogg
It's now impossible to have all of the shadow crystals and also do the weird routeI gave Susie the justice axe for NOTHING
>>741847280No more schizos, FRIEND.
>chapter 5 is the worst chapter but has the best weird route scenewhat the fuck, should I just restart and go full hard on weird route it's turning out way more kino than normal route
>>741847258as per usual, suselle was the worst part about the chapter and noelle is actually very endearing when you pull her away from susie
3 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 1didn't mind the writing, was fun, liked platformer mechanics, liked flowery and yellow, liked weird route3 still wins because it has actually hard fights (knight and shadow mantle) and tenna is king
>>741847280He's there, he's just suspiciously red and painful to touch
>>741847308Noelle manifests the last crystal when/if she gets into a dark world again
>>741847280Friend will literally never show up again. The only thing (You) will get is ARG shit that doesn't matter and 3 lines of dialogue in the code.
>>741847340You're going to need a save file for both.
>>741847308what do you think the chapter select shadow crystal counter is for?
>>741847308You can transfer them between saves can't youThe weird route is obviously weird meta shit because it's going to literally skip a chapter
>>741847315YOU OWE ME
>>741847340The point of the weird route is that you experienced the normal route and you hate it so much you want to do whatever you can to subvert it.The true kinographic experience is to sit through the normal route with Kris to know what it is that you're trying to prevent, then breaking the world to do it.
>>741847358nta but will it matter which route I do first on ch5 or can I just dive in on weird
>>741847357>Friend will literally never show up again.He's literally hidden in one of the platformer segments. Look around the tall vine right before the start of Cliffs.
was the "voice in the code" back this chapter?
Where do even go from here? I don’t think I’m alone when I say this game went from one of the most hyped and anticipated games on earth to the most indifferent and mediocre dogshit ever. /v/ will REALLY miss Deltarune be for chapter 5
>>741847390>or can I just dive in on weird
>>741847213i really, really don't know how to feel about this
>>741847421it sure as hell is now
My hero
>>741847340I like to think this is 'anything goes' writing for Toby which leads him to write better shit.
>>741847357>he doesn't know
>>741844857I already have the healup scarf and that will get anyone to max if you're doing pacifist stuff.
>>741847434You should feel erect
What the fuck was that cat game behind the Mike Room?
>>741847258The Festival>They call me 007>0 mini games>0 meaningful content>7 minutes worth of dialogue
>>741847452AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>741847478...What?
>>741847443ralsei wishes he was a living creature
>>741847434Aren't you happy?Aren't you excited?You're going to be free.
After I get the feather do I need to backtrack to find other 2D segments?
the festival being a complete nothingburger except for yuri scenes is one of the biggest slaps in the face toby has ever done
>>741846470>it's completely abrupt. bad pacingI think it could make sense, depending on what she saw. I don't think it's careless writing, it's been going out of it's way to focus on how much susie has changed, and the end of the chapter outright confirmed a bit of delusion or at least a heavy need for a LOT of escapism. I think it makes a lot of sense if the prophecy told her she was going to die soon, for example. It would certainly give a lot of reason to cope about being "chosen" or "special". Of course she'd rush into a romance and spend all her time in her favorite place, enjoying herself and keeping her mind far away from that particular topic. What else to do if you've suddenly only got days on the clock?
>>741847514frogbro... N-Not like this.
>>741847213sauce for art?
>>741847478That's what I've been trying to figure out. It feels like there's something there
>>741847478I don’t know either, I noticed the wall was strange and it was just a slider and cats with “happiness” meters going up or down if you dropped a little bone like thing I didn’t get it
>>741847532Collect the pink coins bitch
THIS BOARD NEEDS A HERO
>>741847308gerson would be disappointed as fuck with susie in ch5 normal anyways completely disregarded everything he said and is in lockstep with the prophecy
>>741847428somehow toby has to wrap up>shelter>knight>carol>rudy>dess>gaster/meta shit>angel>faggy romance>ralsei>kris>roaring>prophecyas plot points in literally two chapters and ch6 is guaranteed to have time in the light world dedicated towards recruiting noelle and rudy's death
>>741847421
>>741847428Jump in the same ride as Homestuck fans, where they stuck it out to the very end and hated the author forever.
Did they decide the secret boss by pulling lots out of a hat? It had literally nothing to do with the setting of the chapter.
>>741847563My fucking hero...
>>741847575This is 100% Dess.
>>741847603>It had literally nothing to do with the setting of the chapter."Thing, Japan"
>>741840201>When your bro wants to bring his girlfriend to game night
The end of weird route will be us making Noelle turn into deltarune version of Chara where she gain full control over.
>>741847534festival is peak kriselle even on the normal route if you choose the right noelle options>>741844862
>>741847614>Dess prosneeded across the lake and got stuck in the code>She never died. She didn't drown. She Left.
>>741846173the fact that they are called femBOY and not tomGIRL?
>>741847603I think it was to drive home that Kris is not the player for literal retards and children, but everybody figured that out long ago.Still wonder what's up with the schizobomb. Hey, what if you go through chapters 1 through 5 and don't flirt with anyone but Mewmew? Wouldn't it be funny if there was something for that?
>>741847545>>741847551I tried getting it's sadness to -9999, to see if anything would happen. The sounds get louder and more demented but that's about it
>>741847568I think Ralsei has completely given up trying to save Susie at this point. All he can do is pray.He doesn't even want us to close our eyes and see what Susie's doing any more.I really doubt that the Ralsei of chapter 2 would be okay with the idea of two or three Lighteners living in Castletown full time. It's like when you can't save a terminally ill child, so you give him as much ice cream as he wants.
>>741847619The main enemies were flowers pretending to be human. Mew Mew was nothing like that. It's like Jevil being based on a Yugioh card.
>>741847667she got 'lost'just like when you attack darkners, they're removed from the storyand so is she
>>741847634she was used up.
>>741847698that reminds me, susie subtly encouraging noelle to run way from home and then deciding to invite her to castle town. trying to drag her down into the escapism.maybe, just maybe... toby might have something going here.
>didn't have a scene where noelle says "let's start killing some monsters" and then you kill everyone at the festivalGrim
You guys do know there's a Japanese theme because of all the manga Alphys gave to Asgore right?
>>741847698yeah, the scene with ralsei praying surprised me, dude is scared out of his fucking mind and cannot deal with any more bullshit after losing susie to the mind worms
did they drown?
>>741847698Chapter 4 really fucked those two up huh? Susie in this chapter feels like she's trying to live out the best life she can and Ralsei's tolerance continues to take a nose dive.
weird route is proof enough to me that Toby isn't completely a hack writer. He's hiding the good shit behind the Bad Enough Dude route.But there's no denying that he still genuinely enjoys suselle and writing their trite overdone cliche scenes. Either way, I don't think they'll be end game.I don't think any ship will be endgame.
>>741838620Noelle is the only female character in the entire town thats>young>not some kind of disgusting picasso-ass freakof course everyone wants her
>>741847698>I think Ralsei has completely given up trying to save Susie at this point. All he can do is pray.>He doesn't even want us to close our eyes and see what Susie's doing any more.Fucking hell, I didn't even think about it like that. I wonder if the reason he was pointing us at her before is because he knew we could help her break things, but now since she's become fully railroaded there's just no point.
>>741847749The make or break point is how Susie reacts with Rudy's death. Dude is getting dusted and if Susie's reaction is "Hey let's be lesbians in the closet lol" all is lost. Ralsie needs to nut up and talk to (You)
>>741847574Yeah I'm thinking either these two last chapters are long as shit or people should start preparing for accepting the ending will be shit with a shit ton of things up for interpretation
>>741843873>favouriteAqua, love this little gremlin>LEASTNoelle and Sooz if this isn't forced plot railing, otherwise maybe Orange? honestly nobody else really bothered me>fav fightFlowery, most of the fights are mega gimmicky though>2ddecent>secret bosscute and I like the song, fight isn't that hard though which i suppose is fair>itemglasses though you cna take 3 items, i just couldn't be bothered to get 6 more pink coinsmaybe ill do it on a replay since I have to redo ch4 since jackenstein died for no reason on my pacifist run>eggyes, though I knew the room but not specifics until I checked here>>do you love tvI LOVE TV
>>741847263>soundplayer decides to fucking work after 2 years for thisThanks
>>741847767but that doesn't make you a weeb, It's like saying "yes I'm a total weeb otaku because I watch One Piece and Naruto"
>>741847762Hopefully everything will make sense and pay off in chapter 7, right? We WILL kill everyone and the knight there then live rapely ever after within noelle bros don't worry
>>741847828treating the game as a dating sim is retarded. I just hate bad writing and think it's on purpose, because you can still get good writing if you try hard enough, even if you aren't on the bad enough dude route.
>>741847809They noclipped out of hometown. It's what chapter 3's zelda minigame where Kris gets strong enough to cut through the background trees was hinting at.
>>741847881I'm just saying that's why there's a big Japanese theme
>>741847809If you fail to PROCEED hard enough, they drown and DELTA RUNE overcorrects by literally retconning Kris and Noelle into the Normal Route beach scene. Noelle has a mental breakdown as she's forced to go through the yuri love scene and Kris is literally left at 1HP in the Light World, so it definitely nearly killed them.If you PROCEED hard enough, Noelle's final portrait isn't drowning any more— she's escaped. You've escaped. You're somewhere else.
>>741847749I genuinely think he's cooking, honestly. It's all supposed to feel wrong. We're pissed because it worked.
>>741847603mewmew likes asgore and has some anime and manga
>>741847762When she started talking about doing something crazy I was 50/50 on whether she was talking about setting off the boogaloo or jumping in the lake, the former would've been beyond kino. Maybe in chapter 7, who knows.
>>741847853>ch 6 starts with kris basically dragging himself to castle town>susie is all chipper and happy, runs off without us to go recruit noelle>ralsei pulls us aside>KRIS WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SUSIEthat would instantly redeem ch5s writing for me
>>741847912What I mean is that the sauce is still there, he's just playing it safe on the normal route so when tragedy strikes it'll hit much harder.
I wanna go back two days ago when we were all hyped and positive and expecting real story progression. I want to put the genie back in the bottle.
>>741847749This is the biggest problem with releasing the game as chapters with a massive WAIT between them, all of the ridiculous out of nowhere Suselle lesbian NTR nonsense could actually be part of a kino plot about Susie losing her mind because of the prophecy but we have no fucking idea and the whole thing leaves a bad taste in loads of people's mouths. All discourse around this game for potentially a year or even more is going to be completely consumed by 'the man who was cucked to death' posting, shit's gonna suck.Of course it's entirely possible that Toby has simply regressed into his early 2010s Tumlrite self and the shitty lesbian romance is legit and not part of some deeper sinister plot, but fuck me making us WAIT for confirmation one way or the other is fucking awful.
>>741848087we have to put all out faith into the weird route now, at this point it's the only thing i can think of that toby would be so determined to spend 15 years of his life thinking about and wanting to come into fruition the only other cope we have is that susie acting ooc in ch5 is her being consumed by prophecy brain worms, and that's why ralsei is so much more on edge in ch5
>>741848030Personally, I think Kris is going to die.Rather importantly, we've learned that Deltarune can correct itself if something is wrong with the plot. That...really doesn't bode well.
>>741847972It's kind of hard to say. Undyne and Alphys was the weakest part of Undertale, but it still worked because it knew exactly how important it was, and didn't overstay it's welcome, or detract from the characters.Toby's genuinely a very good storyteller. I think the issue is one purely of the chapter format. We go years in between set up, development, and payoff that it's hard to not fill in the blanks yourself. Maybe even assume that some point is the payoff even if it isn't.I had run dry on hopium this morning, but at this point, I think I've got more than I ever have.This isn't healthy, and I should really stop and let the game play out as it will.I'm not going to though. I'm in too deep, and I won't stop until credits roll, and we hear the rest of that beautiful song sung by Laura Shigihara.
>>741848087Speak for yourself, faggot, I'm beyond happy. We got an explicit reveal that the prophecy and meta fuckery is having a tangible and horrible effect on the characters. We got Susie drowning herself in delusion. We got the reveal that Normal Route -> Weird Route-> Something Else is intended progression because the TwistedSwd is literally impossible to obtain without doing both. We also got actual good gameplay.
>>741848048Yeah, that's part of my copium too. I think it was just the death by 1000 cuts of filler and mischaracterization that's making me jaded. Proceeding across the lake had me actually stop and almost drown because i got so uncomfortable with noelle's screaming at me to continue as her lungs filled with water. I never thought the dialogue box would be the most violet thing in a vidya game.Childhoood friend options in regular run were hopecore
I think this magnum opus from Toblerone Fax machine is him overdosing on meta juice and blowing his load by fucking the 4rd wall down to the atomic level. The real ending is (You) never playing the game in the first place so that none of it ever happens.
I'm pretty sure this chapter was related to Alphys in the first place, in fact, the flowers are very related to Alphys too and not to mention that>a romantic relationship between Blue and Yellow>Undyne and Alphys are blue and yellow.
>>741847949so the real rapist was susie all along? or was it toby?
Toby vs Hussie
OKay I get it>normal routehappiness all around, gayness, ultrafaggotry sunshine and rainbows>weird routeevil straight couple, straighntess makes everyone weird and schizo and steals potential homo partnerseah I see your top tier writing here Tobert, very subtle
The cope in here is starting to remind me of indoctrination theory stuff back in the daythis shit is hilarious.
>>741848306DELTA RUNE was the real rapist all along.
>>741848269So basically YIIK but done right?
>>741848273Isn't Alphys splooshing her panties over Asgore and ignoring Undyne in Deltarune now that he's a normal divorced loser and not some unapproachable kingly figure a million miles out of her league?
>>741835232>no friendHe doesn't know
>>741848337Do you just go into threads to make retarded posts about games you haven't played or what
>>741848403no she still has a crush on the fish but you can shut that shit down instantly and cash out
>>741848349No, you don't get it bro. The characters are acting stupid because they're literally MIND CONTROLLED by FATE ITSELF.
>>741848349the story is just badly written by a dude who is starting to troon out and lose his mind.
>>741848372YIIK is side C
>>741847342i genuinely really enjoy both of these characters when they aren't near one another or talking about the other. i genuinely can not tell if toby is doing a bit and later this will be some subversive spine tingling genre defining slow burn commentary on shipping culture or if he really is just that fucking dogshit at writing romance.toby isn't smart enough for the former so it's almost certainly the latter!
>>741847575>unused isn't a term for dialogue that wasn't used in the game>it's because she was never used up like Noelle and Kris are supposed to get used up when they cross the lakeEveryday, the speculation just gets more and more interesting than the reality.
>>741848446>The charactersIt's literally just Susie and Noelle and the game explicitly tells you that the prophecy is actively fucking with them.
>>741848193we had a feeling this was the case in ch4 when ralsei tells susie that everything he's done to try and subvert the prophecy hasn't done a damn thingi think him being so testy in ch5 is a direct result of susie being all in on her role as the second hero now, he can't be upset with her because he knows the old susie is effectively gone, so he lashes out at flowery who puts on a front of being able to change things but actually can't
>>741848470Aiyeeeeeeeeeee
>>741848349At least i am honest about it being cope. I fully expect the worst. I'm just glad we got a 2hu even if apple girlington is NEVER EVER
>>741848372all in on 'the game toby was talking about in 2014 was yiik' theory
>>741848486susie is unfortunately at her worst this chapter but noelle manages to be a highlight in the weird route and at the festival if you rekindle the memories she had with kris
>>741848193>a world where you never existed but everything is the same>the thought terrifies me>LOVE finds its way to the girl>we get soul transferred to susie, kris dies and the plot snaps back into place>susie is the cage>noelle is the girl>ralsei is the prince>insert deltarune chapter 1 side B
>>741848413clearly you didn't play the new chapter, don't worry little bro
>>741843597You gave the inch, now choke on the mile.
>>741848597
>Suselle scene that probably made that one yurifag dev cheer>Kris immediately throws his heart in the trash afterreal subtle Toby
>>741847074i have seen quite a bit of bachiposting in these thread
>>741848269I hate that we're already starting to see meta narratives about (YOU) the human sitting in front of your monitor, before this chapter it was always just (YOU) the soul but contained within the context of the worldIt's just going to end up being a recreation of Undertale by the end, when before it was all but stated that it was meant to be its own unique story
>>741848541>4 penises
>>741848767>abort weird route>noelle has a fucking meltdown about being forced back into her npc rolesubtle like drowning in a lake
>>741847280Didnt he show up?
>>741847074
>>741848767being kris must be pure fucking agony holy shitcan't have anything at all, his friends all abandon him when he needs them most, his mother is a drunk slob in private and his father was the town fool and had a revelation to try and get his shit together only to get nabbed by the knightall his friends stop caring about him the second noelle gets involved, and despite noelle caring he seems to need to keep her at an arms length or bad shit happens like the weird route or whatever the fuck the crystals are showing with susie being envious of them
>>741847575Deltarune is a game in itself and the reason things are weird is because the game glitched somehow (it got modded) and a character failed to load. The game keeps on going despite the bug and errors caused by the missing actor and the wrong actors doing certain actions. The prophecy is just the game's coding, it's why people "don't change" and "follow a set path"
>>741848883yeah for a split second in the cliffs
I never ended up doing weird route chapter 4 so I'm catching up now, is there anything I should bother doing in chapter 3 or should I just skip through all of it? I'm not sure if I really want to bother getting the shadowmantle again.
>>7418363372>=4>3=5>1
>>741843873>favorite characterAqua and Seth>LEAST favorite characterBlue>favorite fightAqua>thoughts on the gimmickGreat, I really liked it
>>741848871>the only way out is to get dicked by Kris>being a lesbian is walking in the steps of fate and regulating yourself to a role you dont even know youll like >being straight is being free and making your own decisionsToby I kneel...
>>741845847Ralsei is more like xion thoughever
>>741843873>favoriteFLOWERY>Least favoriteBlue.>FightFlowery's epic POWER OF FRIENDSHIP battle>gimmickActually GOOD gimmick that should've had some harder fights for it.>secret bossFun fight but other than that It's Mew Mew herself is weighed down by Mad Dummy LITERALLY being a part of it.>itemsKnife, Apron, Glasses>eggNooooope> do you love TVI LOVE TV!!!!!!!!!!
Holy shit the mew mew boss music is bad bad. The character itself is so boring. How do you go from Jevil, Spamton or ERAM to this shit
