>>741839865
I've heard anons doing it but never tried myself

>>741839865
You can attack her from the side where she can't hit you.

>>741839865
of course. I don't find cheeseing methods satisfying.

>>741839865
>melee
killed her 3 times with sword
stand by her side and slash, dodge when she raises up and does a big body slam, repeat
last time she didn't even hit me once, just be patient

quest is still lightly bugged:) though

>start chapter2 as OC Shadow
>get job from Raven to find out what the loons are planning
>go to swamp camp
>search for Cain getting strange amulet in the process
>do focus stone quest for them and receive crawler queen quest
>report every single step to Raven
>he always replies with what basically amounts to: OK, keep going and keep me posted
>kill Minecrawler Queen
>report to Raven
>he acknowledges what I did but doesn't give much fucks, only asks if the mine is ok.
>give eggs to Cor Kalom
>witness the Great Awakening
>get Orc Cemetery quest
>decide to talk to Raven one more time before going in
>Raven berates me for not reporting about the queen earlier, which I did and he fucking acknowledged it!
>Complains about me killing the queen and giving the eggs to loons, shouts at me that 'This is OUR mine.'
>Nameless hero just replies that he had lot to do.
What the fuck?
It shouldn't be that hard to keep track of previous conversations.

Can you actually keep those unlit torches or lamps permanently lit? I have no idea why some go out while others stay forever when you light them.

>>741839865
yes I did it with melee
>dodge spit
>parry claw attacks
>run away from ground pound

>>741839865
yes but I'm a minmaxing faggot so I killed her in like 3 hits

Since we're talking about gothic maybe I can ask something about 2
How do I get busted in it? I heard the game's curve was kinda bullshit, how do I go around that?
Also, which faction?

>>741844267
there's nothing wrong with minmaxing or cleaning most of the map for EXP in chapter 1
I found out that if you don't, extra enemies spawned in chapter 2 and farther will make your life miserable
ch1 = small wolf packs and orc dog packs, 3 - 4 animals max
ch2 = larger packs, 6+ animals, spread out more so if you start killing them they pull other beast from farther away
had to deal with 10+ orc dogs swarm and it wasn't pretty

>>741844279
level1 train one handed to 20%
level2 train strength to 20
level3 train strength to 29
level4 train one handed to 29%
level5 +5 both to 34
rest of the game you can freestyle but prioritize one handed 60% asap

>>741844540
I'm assuming that's a non-mage run? Or can I get away with that shit on a mage run too?

>>741844279
Putting everything into dex + bows and plinking at enemies from a branch or roof is the most effective and braindead way of beating the game.

>>741839865
didn't get there yet but it's funny because in the original you could just stand next to her and spam right-left attack until it died

>>741844571
mages can just do whatever they're op when they get spells and mana pool.

>>741844695
sure but won't that take fucking years now that I spent my 1st 5 fucking levels on melee?

>>741844604
you can stand in front of her too at max melee range if you got a 2 hander. she cant reach you but you can reach her.

>>741844484
>there's nothing wrong with minmaxing or cleaning most of the map for EXP in chapter 1
yes there is, beating every NPC just for xp is the cheesiest thing you can do in Gothic games, you can get like 2-3 extra levels like that if not more. Yes, it's an option but that doesn't mean it's not "wrong". And the reason i say this is because whenever i tried it i felt like i was cheating and didn't enjoy it at all. Which is why i only did it once and never again. I loved min-maxing but without using any bullshit or cheats like that. But that's just me.

>>741844725
max level on gothic 2 is 45-47

>>741844764
G2NOTR almost makes that "option" feel like the only correct one lol

>>741844796
sure but the next chapters are hard as fuck and being a mid melee and a mid mage doesn't seem like it'd take you very far

>>741843482
they go out when it rains but if you arent close enough fo rthem to be loaded in then they stay in whatever state they were when you left them

>>741844279
fuck the remake
i need someone to teach me how to get busted and break archolos over my knee
i know how to break gothic
i know how to break gothic 2
i even know how to break notr
i do not know how to break archolos

>>741844764
>beating every NPC
I was talking about beasts, not NPCs.

>>741844809
exactly my point, minmaxing in NOTR chapter 1 without doing that is the best part of the game.
>>741844898
then sure, but many people cheese gothic by beating every NPC to get that xp which i always disliked

>>741844891
How do you break notr?

>>741845049
>but many people cheese gothic by beating every NPC
don't know about Hard but on Gothic you can get easily to level 16 in chapter 1 without harming a soul*
didn't even clean the the whole map, didn't do stonehenge area or anything golem related, no harpy tower, no open orc territories either
pretty sure you could get couple more levels if you cleaned all that but even 16 levels were enough for 100 STR, master 1H, novice magic, climbing, 1st level of lockpicking, diving, and bunch of animal trophies gathering skills while still leaving some leftover LP for later

*beating up Lefty or *iggers Bloodwin sends when you refuse to pay for protection doesn't count since it's quest related

>>741845432
>animal trophies
it is never worth it to spend LP on learning the trophy skills in g1 remake
the 'revised' economy of the game makes it completely not worth it whatsoever

>>741845537
I didn't know any better on my first blind playthrough.
I think in the end I did break even, maybe even earn some extra ore because shadowbeast skins and similar high level loot sold pretty well, you just couldn't dump it all on one merchant.

>>741845613
remake sins:
1. the stupid fucking economy rework
2. not using the original voice lines
3. nerfing the shit out of magic
4. using ue5

other than that, pretty good game

>>741845863
you'll get crucified for not mentioning lockpicking

economy is annoying but I don't really give a fuck
on that blind playthrough I ended up with 10K+ in chapter 5
stopped hoarding and just bought every single HP and mana potion and shitload of other things
still ended up with 3K+ left over

>>741846129
FUCK YOURE RIGHT I FORGOT LOCKPICKING

remake sins:
1. the stupid fucking economy rework
2. not using the original voice lines
3. nerfing the shit out of magic
4. using ue5
5. the retarded lockpicking rework

my only excuse is that i refused to engage with that shit lockpicking system upon seeing it for my playthrough so i mustve forgotten about it

>>741845863
combat is also sluggish

>>741844809
>>741845049
For those who care, the Nostalgia Mod for G2 now has the option to respawn monsters on the map if you want to. You can even edit LP and HP per level if you like. Used that to have another run around in Jharkendar before I was forced to Rain of Fire Raven and finally leave.

>>741846985
I tried using it but characters kept speaking in german despite the audio being in english, and I couldn't use the "bonus stat boosts (like from potions or shrines) don't make your learning cost more" mod alongside it
I also prefer the quickloot from outside the mod but I can live without it

>>741845863
You forgot how the remake has basically no art style or even proper shoulder guards.

>>741847043
Well I don't have that issue since the entire game is in German but fair enough. I also get annoyed at the stat boost LP bullshit but since I can respawn the map, it no longer bothers me. I'll just farm until I have what I want

>>741846854
Yeah it's fucking retarded how a game from 20 years ago feels so snappy and responsive while almost all new video games have these "realistic" sluggish movements. Meanwhile actual martial artists in the real fucking world do not move like that at all.

>>741844850
You need to invest into melee as a mage because it's not until lategame that you have enough spell power and mana to clean enemies with full magic.

The most important thing in G2 is knowing which spells are good:
>goblin skeleton
>ice block
>rain of fire
These are the absolute must haves, as long as you get them as early as possible you won't end very fucked up.

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Feels good strength maxxxing in ch1, also thanks firestorm scroll for helping me kill the skelly mage

>>741845863
new economy is fineish, I'm still filthy rich after chapter 1 on hard
new dub is fine and I like areally new dialogue additions
magic was already completely ass in original, you all are thinking about 2, which also was ass until lategame
name better engine spaniards could handle

>>741848281
>name a better engine
literally any other engine on the face of the earth is better than ue5 because they dont arbitrarily shut off 80% of intel CPUs from microtimed voltage spikes because the engine was shit-coded by jeets using ai that dont understand power transfer rates along pin connections

>get Minecrawler queen quest from Cor Kalom as a Shadow
>he sends me to meet Cor Angar to get some pointers for fighting minecrawlers
>Cor Angar is kind of angar-y at first but decides it's Sleeper's will that infidel like me will go smash the queen
>asks me to beat one of his trainees to show I won't be a liability
>whop his trainee's ass in melee
>put away my weapon as soon as he hits the ground
>4 templars standing around pull out their swords and start slashing at me
>run away with 10 HP left
>crash down on dead Cain's bunk, sleep my wounds and anger away
>in the morning go talk to Cor Angar again
>YOU DID FINE MATE WELCOME ABOARD
I was very tempted to murder them all there and then but I didn't want to fuck up my playthrough.

>>741848604
it was a prank bro

>>741848604
so you can handle 1 minecrawler but not 4 at same time, I don't know why angar agreed

>>741848604
>he gets pissy at the induction hazing
frankly its a worse sign if they DONT try to beat your ass as a gang initiation; that means they dont like you at all

>>741848652
>>741848691
>>741848701
Once I'am done with this shitty loon business I will be back and we'll have a long talk about it, Thunderdome rules.

>>741848727
an attitude like that will not get you invited to the saturday evening smoke-out and gangbang anon

>>741848691
>go do this one vs one melee test, no finishing off, no magic, no stepping out of ring
>lol just joking, you shouldn't have sheathed your weapon because we'll going to jump you like bunch of rabid bandits
>hurrrr that was a test for multiple minecrawlers durrrr
What a shitty take.
>>741848853
>saturday evening smoke-out and gangbang
After I'am done with the weed camp I'll have triple digit of each blunt type in my inventory and I'am not really interested in sweaty cultist asses.

>>741848968
but mine templars say that minecrawler ambush in groups

I made it t minecraler queen on hard with my roleplay character and she is easy as fuck? first phase she was just shooting and I walked up front to see how scare she can be in melee just to parry her
second phase she was just jumping in place

>>741849239
that was also bullshit
not the part about them attacking in groups but the part where defenders jump in front of your constant stream of fire bolts or walk right into your slashes and pokes and then go all pissy because you ''attacked'' them

>>741849606
I had to savescum the engagement with the 5~ minecrawlers in front of the two templars because I kept aggroing them.
On second thought that your hits hit everything they touch has its downsides.

>>741849606
I had a fight where 2 tempalrs were cheering when I was fighting like it was some usual brawl between diggers

The wolfshredder bow is in the mast of the crashed ship though, needs climbing and telekinesis spell, troll fist is in the cave 2nd floor of monastery then take right

>>741850713
important to note that Troll Fist only unlocks after the troll breaks the wall in chapter 4

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Should I double down on Archery with 20lp on mastery and dumping everything on Dex? Just got to Act 3, killed a few orcs but I suppose I need to get better gear first for the Orc Cemetery.

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>>741850780
i got it in ch 1 though

>>741851023
might be they only closed that in a recent patch and it only affects new games. I tried to get in there yesterday and it was just a wall of rock

>go to raven after summoning
>he is talking with bartholo about mine flooding
>mine is still ok
>I can only talk about killing the queen
>acts like I haven't told him about it (I told him before summoning)

>>741851097
Hmm might it be related to the juvenile troll? since i just killed that before going to monastery, maybe that broken the script?

>>741851283
how did you kill the juvenile troll? it's supposed to spawn during a story mission inside the monastery. it appears by breaking the wall to that cave where the axe is.

>>741851324
Uh im following the climbed wall after getting wolfshredder, it leads to cave with some goblins and following the path down there's juvenile troll with some goblins. The SS >>741848091

>>741851480
Isn't that the cave next to the fog tower?

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>>741851480
By following the climbable route shown here just follow it to the right

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>>741851725
Entering the juvenile troll lair from that goblin encampment
>>741851725
Is the tower the one with underground tunnel and have skelly mage?

>>741851916
Yeah that's the fog tower, I think anon by "monastery" means the Innos monastery found in the tundra zone.

Why are sleepable beds so scarce in outdoorrrrrr
I want to fucking sleep and skip the night!!!

>gate guard: oy mate, Thorus is looking for you
>approach Thorus
>he pops the question
>I say yes
>sends me to exchange zone as my final test instead of Jackal who's out of action
>ask him why he does not send other warders
>'I was going to send Bullit but someone killed him.'
>*trying very hard to look as innocent as possible*
>ok, I'll do your job
looool, I thought he's going to whoop my ass for killing one of Gomez' favorites

>>741853113
In my last game only a single Digger saw and he knew better than to snitch. Also from what I can tell, nobody actually liked the guy.

>replay og Gothic because I'm waiting for fully patched remake
>finish it in 20h
>start 2
>20h in and still in chapter one
and for the first time I noticed that some wildlife respawns after one ingame week has passed

>>741853731
in remake I ended chapter 1 in 15 hours, though I'm not skipping dialogues

>>741844891
You can't really. The challenge is pretty well tuned in Archolos. As soon as you creep up in power, the next chapter introduces a new dangerous enemy. The official games are hard only for the first 6-8 hrs.

>>741854890
Never played it but that does sound amazing, hopefully the moors can kidnap for Archolos devs to implement that kinda progression into G2

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>>741844764
Minmaxing ruined my 2hander playthrough. Was playing on Gothic difficulty, maybe I should have gone hard.
>Start game
>b-line straight to Stonecrusher
>I'm now pumping 37 damage per hit -> almost 80% of the threats in CH1 are threat no more, but rather xp food
>After a few hours of powering up more, KO Thorus for his sword
>Items and a few levels of LP into STR, I am now 2 shotting everything smaller than a Shadowbeast
>The raw damage is so high it doesn't even matter I have no training with fighting style
>Progress forwards, KO Gomez
>Following the mixmax process I'm able to wield Innos' Rage before even learning about Focus Stones
>Don't even have to bother watching if I'm running into enemies, if something appears it gets instagibbed into more XP
>Get to CH3 (or whenever the templars teach me 2h skills, immediately get to mastery because by now I have a 100+ reserve of LP)
>Everything dies so fast I never even get to combo anything
>Any desire to play or sense of adventure is gone
And that's how I robbed myself from the experience of going through the game as melee. I still completed it though, but it felt hollow. I still advocate for the ability to cheese and break the game like this, I hope the Moors chill with patching the game every 9 seconds. Gothic should always allow this kind of gameplay to be possible, but don't do it lads.

>>741847430
Combat is alright, but every other animation is terribly slow. Seriously, go try the classic version and observe closely how snappy it is to engage with chests, sitting, sleeping, using stations, anything. Using items from inventory is also like four times slower than classic. Swimming is way slower as well. Go use the mod to speed up animations, but pull back the mod's defaults in the config way back to closer match the original game. Immediately the game felt way more responsive to play.
Stupid moors spent so much money on motion capture they couldn't resist showcasing them everywhere. Interaction with moving puzzle wheels and cogs is actual humiliation ritual towards the player.

>>741855468
I don't really mind most of the animations, but opening gates is so fucking glacial. It's crazy.

>>741855468
No need to check, I'm replaying G2 these days again and yeah the animations are quick without feeling hasty. Meanwhile in the remake I almost move like a geriatric and swim like a dead one.
Unfortunately this sort of animationslop is yet another retarded industry standard, moors simply did what they all do.

>>741855570
At least it only happens half a dozen times

>>741855570
I'm beginning to think it's a disguised loading screen but I don't have enough comp sci knowledge to prove it. One would think the playtesters would have raised concerns about these things. It's especially bad in the Sleeper Temple with multiple lever pulls, cogspins and puzzles. Thankfully the Orc symbol code remains the same and you don't have to go into the basement to do the pointing statue puzzle again.

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>>741855468
Gothic vet here. Playing the remake made me think of this Thief webm. Gotta justify that mocap budget somehow I suppose.

>>741855740
I dunno. There's plenty of unbarred gates and caves that don't need a loading sceen. Where would a loading screen be needed?
You open the monastery from the inside.
Abandoned mine gate leads to a tiny tunnel.
I guess free mine would be the most likely culprit, but it's smaller than the old mine and there's no loading gate there.

>>741855803
But John Gothic also bent down for every item in the OG, no? Picking stuff up is actually resonably fast, especially compared to stuff like lying down in bed.

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>>741855950
He did. But picking items up is one of the few animations that remain as it should be. It's
>Sitting
>Sleeping (seriously, by the time you lie down on the mattress you've already slept, woken and up and are moving on in classic)
>Engaging any workstation
>Opening chest or inventory + buffer time from dropping the torch (why is this even necessary?)
>Getting on ladders (I just rather take fall damage than get cucked by ladders)
>Using any consumable from the inventory
>Swimming (my 80 year old mother swims faster than the avatar of Innos, why?)

Using the cogwheels is just laughably bad, almost like an inside joke the devs dared each other to keep as is in the shipped version of the game. Someone should raise a bit more noise about these issues, there's plenty of slog that would make the final product feel more polished if the animation pacing was good.
Getting on the scavenger mount is another good example. TNH gets on, but before you can move you have to stand still for 1 second, for whatever reason. FIX THIS SHIT.

>>741855950
You see I'm thinking it's a remnant from some pre-alpha stage of development before engine optimizations and environmental culling was properly installed and they just forgot why they made is so fucking slow in the first place.

>>741855339
it will be same on hard

>>741855339
How do you beat thorus and gomez without aggroing them?

i cant progress to act 2. No one wants me in their shit ass camp

Does dumping points in dex increase damage for bows like strength does for melee?

>>741857270
yea.

>>741857270
It should be, it also help your pickpocket check

>>741857182
Is it even possible to fuck up so bad that you can't join any camp?

>become mage
>everything's expensive(spellstones, the robe)
>spells gatekept by LPs
oops

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Explain why can't I sleep here

The riddles in the new chromanin books make no sense. It's just random horseshit.

>>741857909
icky

I bet none of you plebs forge your own weapons just and like thugs and steal from the templars

I finished the remake, the second half of the game was kinda bland
Not the remake's fault, which is solid minus some sound glitches, but the original's design

The game starts great with the player as a cocky little shit who gets bullied and needs to learn how the colony works. By chapter 4 you are a one man army, chosen one, the guy who everyone looks up to and you eat orcs by breakfast and raid camps on your own.
The last chapters are basically a combat gauntlet with no roleplaying, no choices, no story and barely any sidequest. Gomez, the big bad boss of the colony gets completely sidelined and its up to you if you feel like fucking his ass over his armor.

I think it was a good attempt giving the time but the tone shift from prison colony life to generic power fantasy trip feels like a mistake

>>741857731
I don't think OC or SC have enough fail states. NC for sure you just have to not give the list to Lares.

>>741844891
Rush master alchemy in chapter 2.
Collect all C2 perma potion ingredients.
Make potions of your choosen stat.
Enjoy.

You will be very strong, but not completely busted. I don't think archolos will allow you to break the game by getting OP items early, good weapons are chapter locked.

>>741857913
Yup, and the devs knew it as well. That's why the quest log halfway spells it out if you switch to the descriptive page instead of the objective page. For instance, I had no idea it was referring to a dungeon until the quest log read "... in a dungeon, perhaps?"

>>741857128
I'm not sure I follow. Thorus I beat when he's the only one left awake inside the warden barracks at night. I had a 20 second window to KO him before the guards at the second floor woke up and ran to assist. After looting I just ran out, slept for a day, and it was all forgotten.
As for Gomez I caught him walking alone upstairs to his bedroom. After a few reloads I was able to get him into a 1v1 and Storm First into melee cycle took him out.

Don't do what I did unless you're otherwise done with the game for now. It was fun putting a plan together and seeing it work out, but after that playing felt just the same as cheating with console commands. It's pointless if there's no challenge left.

>>741857731
weed camp
>tell kalom you are in for the weed
old
>tell shit to gomez
new
>not get the list

>>741859109
though maybe gravo can unfuck your falloff with gomez idk

>>741859109
>tell shit to gomez
Doesn't he just kill you if you try that?

I'm doing Old Camp on my second playthrough and holy fuck Swamp Camp was so much better. The narrative makes so much more sense when you're personally involved rather than doing swamp errands for no reason.
Their armor looks nicer but that's about it.

>>741858372
I mean, technically, maybe?

>NC fail
>don't give Lares the list

>OC fail
>Keep Neks amulet
>Give Whistler his ore back after failing to get the sword
>Lose to Kirgo
>Fail to pick Scattys chest for Fingers
>Fail to pick Kaloms chest for Dexter

SC fail
>don't get the special weed for Tyon
>don't get a sleep scroll for Cadar
>don't have the nugs to get Dusty out of the old camp

>>741859197
just run away

>>741859272
Keeping Nek's amulet is not really a fail state you can still give in anytime.
Losing to Kirgo is irrelevant, you get Scatty's approval if you challenge the NC dude, even if you lose.
Fingers recommends you if you learn lockpicking, stealing Scatty's chest I think is only optional if you don't want to waste LP.
Still got Thorus' quest which has no fail state either I think.

>>741859457
>Still got Thorus' quest which has no fail state either I think.
You can tell Mordrag that Thorus sent you to get rid of him, or at least you could in the original

>>741859518
Yeah but then he still entices you with joining the NC and fucks off anyway iirc.

>>741859590
No, it was one of the dialogue options when you tell him that the camp is not big enough for the two of you, when you're trying to start a fight.
Thorus doesn't want anyone to know that he's behind getting rid of Mordrag because the mages would fuck him up for kicking one of their couriers out. So mentioning Thorus name always fails the quest, even if you kill Mordrag.

>bloodwyn: you can only enter the old camp if you pay 100 ore
>yeah fuck off, try the other gate
>fletcher says the same, I won't pay, end conversation, he stopped me too close so he immediately start chasing me with the other 2 guards
>other 2 fuck off after ~15 meters, fletcher just won't give up
>turn around, knock him off his ass with a single hit in plain sight of the guards
>no reaction
>execute him
>no reaction
>enter camp for free
Bloodwyn you cunt, you are next

>>741859792
well then anon is a fucking retard

is the royal guard armor a reference to something? who the hell wear these

>>741861720
No, the former ore baron was a big shot so he had that armor, nothing else.

>>741861720
it's the same armor the guards who throw you in in the intro wear.

>>741861720
>royal guard armor
>worse than what a bunch of convicts can cobble together
explain, lore nerds

>>741861720
the guys in intro

>>741862116
it's not royal in the sense that it's the dudes protecting the king himself, just some guards in the general service of the king.
the armor Old Camp Warders wear is also from the "royal" guard.
Stone only maintains and upgrades it.
What I don't understand is the Mercenary armor because as far as I can tell NC doesn't have a smithy unlike the other two. Where does Torlof make that shit?

>>741862116
those are mostly ceremonial/showing status, not practical

>>741862116
It's a ceremonial armor.

>>741862116
it has been rotting in a chest for years

>warder quest
>3 new camps nigs try to mug me
>beat them
>guy wakes up
>sell him weed
>beat him up again
that's how I learned that you can only sell weed to newcampers that don't have weed in their inventory

>>741862375
>What I don't understand is the Mercenary armor because as far as I can tell NC doesn't have a smithy unlike the other two. Where does Torlof make that shit?
They just scrap shit from the OC and banditry and put it together with animal furs, it's why their armors look uneven.

>>741862639
lol
Do they still pay ten Ore after you stole it all?

>>741862762
I think so, I actually didn't pay attention

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>>741855339
ye that is why I try to play these games blind, and only google stuff if I am really stuck because I can not find some npc, gothic games can always bee cheesed but what is the point if you just exploit the game before you have played a single hour by yourself

>>741863106
It's NOTRbrainrot, NOTRcels think they must complete everything in the first chapter to stand a chance because that's mostly true in NOTR, without realizing that G1 is a normal game with normal scaling so you're just gonna ruin your playthrough.

>>741863198
God I fucking hate NotR. I hate the retarded lore, the stupid pirates, the random american bits and the awful balancing.

>>741847043
>I tried using it but characters kept speaking in german despite the audio being in english
Funny, I play in German and sometimes the audio changes to english. Someone really fucked up.

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>>741863469
>the random american bits
The what now

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>>741863106
>what is the point if you just exploit the game before you have played a single hour by yourself
Oh, I didn't have to look anything up. I've played both G1 & G2 probably 5 times each. But regardless, the honeymoon period could have lasted a lot longer if I didn't immediately try this route out on the second lap of the remake.
Call me a guide looking zoomer one more time and I'm gonna take your ore and your smokes.

>they are seething about NOTR chads again

>>741863972
Never mind the plebes, we know what we got and I hope G2 remake gives us even more

>>741863972
>No damage dealt unless it's a crit
Sucks
>Let's make LP costs increase for no reason just to ambush first timers
Sucks

The game had enough strength to stand on it's own, they didn't need these gimmicks. Proof: Archolos.

>>741863706
the random vaguely mayan ruins and that one out of nowhere desert section that looks like fucking utah. the whole Jharkendar is just a mess.

>>741864210
It is a mess but I love it still, it is the by far comfiest part of the game and I'm always sad when I finished all the quests there.

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can't decide on what should I spend now
>more strenght
>go 2h
>master lockpicking first so I won't feel like a cheat with autounlocking

>>741864375
also I'm on hard

>>741864210
Oh you mean mesoamerican stuff right
No mate NOTR is great for everything except the rebalancing. They should've just made post-chapter 3 stuff harder but not fuck around with the beginning or LP costs.

This is what sucks so much, if it was just a terrible expansion it'd be easy to just not play it, but it's too cool to do a G2 playthrough without it.

>>741864331
>warder with 67 strength
>on hard
damn bruh pump that shit up. you'll need it.

>>741839865
Just finished the remake. I really want to start the second one. I'm looking at doing the d3d11 mod and a texture pack. Any recommendations on graphical improvement/qol mods?

>>741864861
If you mean starting G2 I would recommend Nostalgia mod but there have been audio issues, so have a look at the steam workshop first.

>>741864861
I think you can just ofically run a unreal 4 version of g2 gold edition on steam

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game has spawned a cave with dead woman, I'm 100% sure it wasn't on game start

who were the seekers and where did they get their cool robes and powers?

>>741865525
They're the swamp camp dudes, they got a boot camp on Irdorath

>>741865386
>unreal 4 version of g2 gold edition on steam
Yeah but it allows you to attack while moving and that basically breaks the game.

>>741864861
maybe there something to add grass if you want, otherwise you'll be fine. I recall all bigger graphics overhauls are tied to big mods
avoid that unreal port

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>>741863742
like how the hell should I have known that, also I only play G2NotR, but right now I am on my second playthrough and immediatly ran to the mine for free armor and got free strenght on the way , knowlede is just power in this game

>>741852617
Too bad. Should've planned ahead before going out, zoomie.

>>741864469
You know, I never played it as a kid. I only ever beat vanilla. I was well into my 20s the first time I played with NotR on so that may contribute to my distaste for it.

only mod I installed is the one that fixes sleep back to the system of the og game, no way i get fucked up early game and have to stare into space for 15 minutes or eat 20 steaks to be full health again, if I drag my ass back ot base to find a bed I expect to be full healt and not on some time of health loan system

>>741857913
Is the quest different in the remake?
In the original it's pretty easy to solve.

How do i kill harpy fast? Do i really need bow to kill them?

>>741867750
Fire Bolt takes care of them pretty fast. If you don't want to spend LP on a bow you can just spend some ore on a mana talisman and light them up

>>741861845
>former ore baron was a big shot so he had that armor
In the room next to the chest with the armor is a wooden bathtub.
There's a skeleton sitting there with his legs spread wide and a meatbug corpse lying between his legs.
Now I can't decide whether the bug came for spicy wiener snack after the original owner died or if the guy was into some really kinky zoo shit.

>>741868106
He also had that ritual chamber on the basement, nevermind all that monster taxidermy so he was probably a depraved fuck cum necromancer aficionado

>>741866327
>mod
>fixes

>>741866762
even if it's roughly at the same location the wording is different

>>741869017
even if a book is ...*

>>741860092
>Bloodwyn talks shit and demands 100 ore to be let in
>K lol
>Immediately knock him on his ass and take it back
>Walk in unmolested with a nice new axe

god polish localization is so fucked, random barks are often in english, characters often say different things than subs say, hell MC started to talk about uriziel to novices who fled kalom camp

>go to free mine beat up miners mine the ore
>got to old mine beat up miners mine the ore
>buy all hunting skills and lockpicking even you know they are a scam
>start killing and skinning everything
>spend over 2 min on a chest that contains 1xHam

truly a very german game

>>741870319
>spend over 2 min on a chest that contains 1xHam
That one is on the moors.

>>741865641
Thanks. Do you know anything about the nostalgic edition mod? Is it good?

If I don't complete every camp quest before joining a camp, am I locked out of more content or just the xp gains from those quests?

I only noticed on my 3rd playthrough but I finally know why no one wears a fucking helmet.
There's a literal PILE of helmets in black goblin treasure room, like I tried to count and it's more than hundred.

>>741870547
After joining each camp has maybe half a dozen camp quests throughout the capters.

>>741870530
I plan to play with it next so all I know is from what I've read about it. Lots of new assets (stolen from other mods and especially gothic sequel), some land ported from gothic 1, companion system, option to fight with shield and dual wielding, option to play without guild, guns
generally I've heard only good things, people only bitch that
>muh nostalgic but I don't have nostalgy for guns in gothic
because from what I get, tons of new things added along the time and name stuck. I think originally it was supposed to be just introduce assets from gothic sequel and maybe more stuff from g1
anyway there was anon in this threads who played it, maybe he can say more

>>741870547
I think only those quests, they don't lead to anything later on

>>741870805
Nostalgia is fine because despite a lot of things being added, all of them are optional. Companions will fuck off if you tell them to (with only one exception) and none of the enemies ever use things like shields or 2 swords, so if you don't like that stuff, just sell the items and be done with it. Those things are only for people who've played the game 200 times and want something a little different. Otherwise map and story are the same for example.

>>741871167
Now thinking about it I don't know any mod that adds new maps or changes story in some capacity that's not returning

>>741870805
>>741871167
Thanks! So probably not good for my first time playing gothic 2 right? I think I'm going to just do some graphics/qol mods and call it a day.

>>741871331
L'Hiver.
Surprised you haven't seen it on workshop. massive mod and the map is used several times. Entire mountains are removed, like the range behind the beach with Skip, and there are so many new pieces of flora you'd think the world got conquered by Wood Elves.
I don't like it

>>741871549
yeah, I'd say for first time playing just go vanilla with dx11 and textures, replay with mods
>>741871607
oh yeah I've played a bit with it, but other than adding new paths (often nonsensical) or changing port layout nothing really stuck to me

>>741871549
Nah, it's great for a first run since it balances a few things from NotR. For example, LP cost for Mana stops at 2 points per mana, instead of continuously increasing every 30 stat points.
It removes some cheese but as a newbie you wouldn't even know about those things.
I recommend it precisely because it stays close to the og where it can, so give it a try.

What would be the safest build for a hardcore playthrough? I've been thinking DEX + bow and later tapping into magic for the CC stuff like fist of storm and ice wave

>>741872038
dex from what I've seen, though idk how is it in early game

>>741872038
Sounds about right, almost no enemy has proper piercing protection and you can be really mobile with that bow.

>>741871825
Oh damn alright. Maybe I'll look into it more then. I don't know much about gothic 2 modding, is it pretty compatible with texture packs and other qol mods?

>>741872279
Nostalgia mod is big and has a ton new textures and even new armours but character models are the same, not sure if you can add those yourself.

>>741872279
>>741872369
it just should be a matter of setting load order in launcher, at least steam workshop version has it
though I don't know if load order isn't opposite of what launchers says, just if you have nostalgic edition main menu art then it should be ok

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>>741872582
this is how it looks for me (dunno about order itself I did it long time ago)

>>741872582
True but I've never tried additional texture mods

>>741872661
Looks right to me

>>741872708
I did additional textures + overhaul mod for 1 and it worked, I only had problem with one armor in new camp that used g2 texture but it could be just specific problem between those 2 mods

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>>741872038
It is dex, I'll warn you that it's mind numbingly boring tho. I made it to chapter 4 and I'm close to giving up.

How many ore infused roots can you get per playthrough?

>>741873358
one per golem, right? I managed to find three: the one at the mountain fortress, xardas golem and the stone golem underneath the old ruined fortress
There's also one in the orc arena before chapter 5, but I have yet to find a way inside

>>741873501
>I managed to find three
Me too in previous playthtroughs.
Now with patch 1.0.7 it looks like moors fucked up once more.
I cleared Harpy tower before getting focus stone quest and when I returned there second time with Lester golem was alive again.
I hope Xardas' butler demon revives the 3 test golems later.

>>741873358
I cleaned the fortress before chapter 3 and the bridge golem respawned (I didn't want to mess with the rest so idk about those)

>ice block is now an aoe cone that freezes everything on its path
It's a shame that magic is so expensive and weak in DPS because some of these incapacitating spells are outright broken.

>>741873838
It's a worthless spell since any enemy stronger than an adult scavenger takes several hits before they freeze and you're standing still while charging it.

>>741873930
I can freeze skeletons though. Does enemy strength affect the freeze? That's weird since the stun effect of ball of lightning doesn't, I kill shadowbeasts with it taking zero damage.

>>741873041
fun thing if I remember right bow used to be even more retard free in the OG version because it had auto aim so with enough dex you were just a walking auto homing ballista

>>741874019
Well skellies might, bum ass shadows and bandits don't freeze in one hit so it's useless to me. Icebolt does the same while letting me fucking move.
>lightning balls
Yeah the spell that makes sure enemies don't attack or move once you charge it. How fucking convenient. I'm convinced the fucking moors hard coded that response in because otherwise the spell would be utter trash and they couldn't be bothered to improve it.

>>741874275
>Yeah the spell that makes sure enemies don't attack or move once you charge it. How fucking convenient. I'm convinced the fucking moors hard coded that response in because otherwise the spell would be utter trash and they couldn't be bothered to improve it.
Nigga it's a circle 2 spell that trivializes the entire game what else do you want.

>>741873041
>backing off with a bow
cowardly & you didn't beat the game

>>741874612
the bow is already as cowardly as it gets, movement doesn't really change much

>>741874539
>what else do you want.
FUN
I want spells that are fucking FUN to use. Remake magic system sucks more than that of Gothic 2. I hate that almost every remake spell forces you to stop moving completely while also charging and then giving mediocre or just boring results.

I gotta say it looks kinda goofy to just put the 3 golems next to the tower. It's stupidly streamlined, like they placed them there just for fun. I contrast the ulu mulu quest at least placed the mobs in different places across the map.

>>741874838
>they
who's they? the golems were placed there by Xardas as a test to filter out morons and weaklings who'd want to waste his time.

>>741874757
>FUN
Fair.
>>741874757
>Remake magic system sucks more than that of Gothic 2. I hate that almost every remake spell forces you to stop moving completely while also charging and then giving mediocre or just boring results.
But standing there while casting was literally how magic worked in all Gothic games, being able to move with Firebolt is a remake thing that they should've added at least for lesser spells.

>learn the 6th cirlce and become a mighty necromancer
>there's no summoning rules
>completly reliant on giving Xardas 6 million nugs for summon scrolls
why you moors

>>741875102
>thing that they should've added at least for lesser spells.
Exactly. I know that all spells in G2 forced you to stand still but so did attacking with Swords and bows. But only a few spells also forced you to charge, generally the late game ones. Remake combines the worst of both worlds

>>741874943
His assistant as well, you know how heavy those golems are?

>>741875478
I assume he placed them in the spots he wanted them in instead of lugging them up the mountain.

>>741875215
Remake is based on G1, and most spells in the original forced you to stand there and charge. And a lot of them are already a lot faster in the remake, I swear uriziels ring of death took like 5 seconds to charge and needed two hits on all the endgame enemies it was meant to kill.

>>741875215
I think all the spells that need charging here needed charging in the OG as well, they just seem to do less damage.

But really, magic in Gothic was always suboptimal until you got the screen nukes at the end.

>>741875686
Only means the moors are less rspnsible than I thought.

>>741875764
Kinda. Lobbing around Fire Ball and Ice Lance in G2 is still more fun than what remake gives me.

Uh oh Gomez just did the thing

>>741876018
There is NO proof that Gomez knew about the killing of fire mages.

>>741875915
>Lobbing around Fire Ball and Ice Lance in G2 is still more fun than what remake gives me.
Would be more fun if you didn't run out of mana in like 5 casts, a mage goes through mana potions like they're water in NotR

>>741876073
True but I got used to it

I miss some of the original english voices, even if polish and german people hate them

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>>741876261
DDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>741839865
I did the first time, for the final hits she backed me up all the way back into the tunnel and the camera started to freak out so I did too and in the end I pretty much killed her with pure luck and wild flailing.

>>741876018
I never played the original, is it true that the massacre happened offscreen and you didn't see it? Because if so, actually having you there for it is an immense improvement and really makes you hate the fucker.

>>741876358
>I never played the original, is it true that the massacre happened offscreen and you didn't see it?
you didn't see it. you ran into either Milten or Diego near the OC gates, who told you about what happened
It was pretty shocking in its own right, the gates were closed and there was a group of warders in front of each that would try to kill you after a short dialogue. That dialogue at least was one of the few that depended on the guild, with them being particulary angry if you were a warder yourself.

>>741876358
It's unfortunate, I can only remember getting in the old camp after shit hit the fan and killing every last motherfucker inside. I wonder if I screwed up in the remake by advancing to chapter 5 without dealing with these fuckers much (other than to be able to successfully become a blue mage and liberating the free mine, that is).

Went back to the fortress three days after for the chomanin book and that nigga Lester is still there. Sleeper fucked him up bad.

>>741878090
>Sleeper fucked him up bad.
Lester got off well. You should look at what happens to the rest of the camp.

>>741878185
It's a little weird that the Hero comes out of it completely unscathed, but I suppose it's because of G2 plot and all that 'chosen one' nonsense.

>>741878298
Eh kinda, even if you join weed camp and fuck around you only spend a few days there until shit pops off about the sleeper. Remember that Lester and co had been in contact with it for years.

>new camp mercenary
>enter ore baron's house at night
>guards are sleeping? so they do not react
>raven calls guards
>run aways
>no one reacts
>bully Arto, Scar and some whore
>loot their weapons
>stroll away
>no one is hostile
???

>>741879470
Yeah the old game wasn't quite like that, at least G2 wasn't. There you would eat aggro from all NPCs in the area outside of like the harbor.
Remake doesn't handle these things quite right.

>>741878574
>no one could figure out how to get a single focus stone but you manage to do it in a couple days
yeah OK

>>741879879
honestly you just got lucky that Caine conveniently got brainewashed and found the amulet.

>>741879879
Remake explains it well, how the fuck would anybody know to look for an amulet in a hidden fucking mine complex?
Literally the plan of the sleeper to do the awakening.

>>741879964
It was clearly the sleepers plan for someone to find the amulet. Caine going mission would lead to someone looking for him, because he's important to Kalom, who's like the second most powerful dude in the brotherhood.
Y'berion was right that the sleeper is working through the hero. He just didn't realize that the sleeper was a demon until it was too late.

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>>741864861
This is what I recommend. The LP mod has a toggle for how much LPs to get per level up, put this to 20. Trust me. You'll feel it's too high for the first 6 hours, but once the trainer bottlenecks appear you'll understand. Fuck the purists. I've played NOTR 10 times and this is the way it should be.
Don't use Nostalgia Mod first time around.
After NOTR, go play the best Gothic game, Archolos.

>>741880434
>LPs to get per level up
Nostalgia mod includes that and even the option to respawn monsters on the map for some extra run & kill around the map.

is it worth learning how to make potions (hp pots) and scrolls (to sell)?

>>741881456
Generally so because beyond the ore you eventually get to use golem parts for stat potions

>>741880190
why not use lukor?

>>741881456
during late game you can craft a bunch of perma stat upgrade potions and 'free' health potions are also nice to have
never found need to learn scrolls unless you want to go blue or red mage since it's one of the prerequisites, you can just loot or buy couple of useful ones anyway

>>741881568
A true believe but too disciplined to run into an abandoned mine and swim through some caves.
Caine was smoking more joints and drinking more minecrawler juice than half the camp, dude wasn't stable at the best of days and it was easier for the sleeper to turn him into his own Leroy Jenkins.

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that """orc corpse""" seemed awfully alive
and how do you kill something that's DEAD?

>>741881820
>too disciplined to run into an abandoned mine and swim through some caves
>what is the orc cemetery

>>741881824
Yeah I didn't register it as a zombie ork at all until NH mentioned it to Kalom.

>>741881037
Look dude I love the Nostalgia mod but I don't think he should play it on hirst first playthorugh.

>>741881824
>the corpse of and undead orc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr_nhywjNHM

>>741881927
>what is the orc cemetery
That happened after Y'berion used the Focus stone AND Kalom finished the super special elixir. The event slapped so hard it fucking killed Y'berion, of course it was also strong enough to send Bald Liquor screaming into the night.
Sleeper fucked up Caine before that event because the dude's brain was mushy enough.

>>741882053
NotR is great but it's also several kicks in the teeth, which for some people is a few too much. Nostalgia mod blunts those edges a bit which a first timer could use.

I don't get all the crying on notr system
is it retarded? yeah but you can just ignore it, eat all bonuses the moment you find them and actually have fun as game doesn't get too easy till the very end
will it be too hard? no, only at some points you might want to finally use your scrolls to get the edge

>>741882584
You're full of shit, NOTR can legit softblock you if you go mage and waste the scrolls you need to kill dragons.
Literally no spell you learn can outDPS dragon regeneration.

>>741882584
I have yet to find a way to kill the dragons in chapter 4 as a mage without cheesing them with scrolls or NPCs
circle 4 runes just can't deal with them at all

>>741882741
>>741882778
dragon dps regeneration is tied to fps, you can deal with him just fine spamming summons and stabbing him unless you roleplay as pure mage or some shit

>got fired from my Warder job by Thorus
>remember I still have the deed I should give to Santino
>find him and negotiate
>he gives me some ore and shows me a secret passage inside castle
>I walk inside, start looking around, don't pull out weapon or take anything red tinted
>he starts screaming that he had enough and attacks me out of nowhere despite him shoving me the door and giving me the key few moments before
NPC behavior really needs some tuning

>>741882741
>outDPS dragon regeneration
I have a mod that adds more graphics options including the option to limit my FPS
I'm sure I will manage.

>>741882852
As far as I recall goblin skeletons and skeletons do 0 damage to the tougher dragons, or else they cannot outDPS them either.
You need to summon demons, and that are scrolls.

>you got to cap your FPS so you can actually kill the boss
Great game design.

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Hard Mode feels so bad. The different stats are nice, the economy changes are not noticable, but holy fuck the slow leveling is awful.
I crave LP.

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Speaking of Gothic 2, I just finished the mods tier list I mentioned a few threads ago. I think I included every major mod I could think of, but please let me know if I missed any or made a mistake. I know there are about 10 different L’Hiver mods, but unfortunately I don’t really know how different they are from each other. It doesn’t help that they all have very similar names. I also decided to split New Balance and Returning into two separate categories. Hope that makes sense. Enjoy!
https://tiermaker.com/create/gothic-2-mods-tier-list--18804166-2

>>741882980
honestly I don't remember how mage is, but I have finished the game as one so it must be doable
anyway pure mage is a challenge run, same as in 1, not something you want to do as your first playthrough

>>741883105
I also finished the game as a mage, I remember back then when I went blind it softblocked me so it left me forever salty at NOTR (it also didn't help that i had to scrub through Jharkendar by massing summon goblin skeleton because spells hit for shit).

Then some years later I did another run remembering to save Rain of Fire and Summon Demon scrolls and could finish.

Simply put, NOTR shouldn't be the way you play Gothic for a first playthrough. It's clearly intended for challenge runs. Being a mage is a normal ass thing to want to be in an RPG it should be relatively straight-forward.

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Question after the betrayal in chapter 3 for people who did the old camp.

I killed the two guards at the orc entrance gate thingy, any downside to doing this? They weren't aggro'd to me (which I thought they would be)

>>741883245
though as nonmage is perfectly fine, spellsword as well

>>741883298
>any downside to doing this?
Killing whoever the fuck you want once you are strong enough is a basic bitch Gothic mechanic.

>>741883105
I remember finishing Gothic 2 as a teen as pure mage. The original, mind you, not NotR. It was pretty terrible because I ran out of rune stones after assuming they were endless, so I had to finish the game by just spamming demon summons. Every fight was basically me summoning a demon, hiding behind something, and somehow managing to beat the game like that.

>>741883404
Nah I mean moreso will it lock me out of anything.

I usually get autisitc with these games. I'm level 24 before I even hit chapter 4 and the two quests I have being stuck in my quest log is still triggering me (swampweed, I sold it, The Raid quest, I just took part in the Raid but never turned it in because I wanted to be on the Old Camp. Never doing that fucking mistake in future playthroughs, FUCK the old camp)

>>741883584
No worries, as long as you don't exterminate entire camps, you'll be fine. Killing random NPCs doesn't matter. Though there are some quests from Cavalorn for the bestiary and Aiden teaches you hunting skills. Kill them and you lose those options.

>>741882173
I'm literally in the top of the old camp tower aiming a charged fireball at you

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>>741883761
Nah, i've been avoiding named characters.

Was gonna massacre the new NEW camp though until I saw they were named. Wonder if they play a part in later chapters. This game is fucking kino even if it is glitchy AF.

Also, Lester having headaches in the fortress place (for the focus stone), is it any relation to the guy found in the bottom? I assumed the Whisperer guided this poor lad to the focus crystal and he got fugged up somehow

>they removed tetriandoch
wtf

>>741884058
Nah Lester mind is just getting raped by the Sleeper like the novices that tried to attack you, he's just a strong lad so he gets headaches instead of becoming a basket case.

>>741884058
there are many theories to his headaches but mine is simply because of proximity to the stone, nyras also says it gave him headaches the closer he got

>>741884058
>Wonder if they play a part in later chapters.
Yes they are. The corpse could have a story like that, Gothic is full of things like it.

>>741884086
Fucking moors

>Santino giving me a key to the castle cellar
>when at this point in the game I can enter the castle as if it was my own home
???

>dude we sent a ton of messengers to xardas
>says saturas
>in the camp where almsot everyone uses maces
>and the golems are weak to crush
?!

also they should've made it so the golems fuck up your weapon a bit with each hit: blunts/make it brittle/melts it
preferably non-repairable damage to make the nerds seethe even more

>>741884520
>implying those schmucks even made it to the golems

>>741884691
>>741884520
Not even someone like Gorn could handle the tundra wolves.

>>741884868
Gorn dies to like 3 snapper hits, a razor alone would instagib him

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...this is it?

>>741884997
Maybe, Gorn still oneshots them with the overhead. But he can't handle numbers.

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>>741885036
oh actually nvm

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>>741885036

>>741885036
the original offered literally nothing but XP, and respawned the skelly mage along with like sixty skellies

>>741885198
>respawned the skelly mage along with like sixty skellies
That's what I wanted, a fucking nice showdown not three lame skeletons that at this point I break with a whisper.

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Why are there specifically 6 circles of magic and who distributed the spells? How does one discover a new spell?

>>741885720
now there are 7 actually

>talking to Santino about the act of ownership for the citadel
>he wants to only give me 1k nugs
>tell him no way thinking I can come back
>he doesn't want to talk to me anymore
uh-oh

>>741885720
>who distributed the spells
Literally the gods.
>new spells
Mages do research and experimentation.

>>741885720
Spells come directly from the gods, at least thats how ancient magic worked before mages came up with runes. So the gods themselves probably invent the spells.

>>741885873
but now you have your own fortress, you can start new camp there even

>>741886001
I really wish G2 would let us do something with that Fortress, assuming you tell Lester to keep the deed.
Makes me wonder how they will handle canon from one remake to the next.

How do I join the mercs after the old camp kicks me out?

>>741886574
If Thorus already fired you either Talk to Lee or maybe Saturas

>>741886569
probably the same way original did, everything before barrier fell doesn't matter anymore

>>741886708
But I want my castle real estate dammit

>>741886779
sorry, dragon has moved in and law can't really help you with evicting him, he is a minority and all

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>>741886864
What dragon are you talking about? I don't see any around. Just a mound of rotting flesh over yonder.

>>741886569
they're either gonna pick some canon choices and leave a lot nebolous/irrelevant, which is mostly how the original did it.
Or they're gonna let you simulate some choice like in the witcher.
I really wouldn't expect a save import like in Mass Effect, that shit gets super complex and messy fast.

I strongly dislike how regular and plain the final merc armor looks.
It's supposed to be scrapped from different parts and animal furs, not a standard-issue armor.

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I just pay protection money so I can beat up all the Diggers for xp and loot

Why would you use ice bolt over fire bolt? Seems to do less damage

>>741887847
it freezes a motherfucker after a few hits

>>741887847
some enemies have high fire resist
also it can freeze enemies

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Dude that shit is WACK!
I don't know why he's trauma dumping all of a sudden