I lowkey agree with the shareholders here.Bloodborne; console seller, best game in the history of the PS4, no sequel.Sekiro was GOTY; no sequel, no DLC, no nothing.Elden Ring, Game of the DECADE; gets a shitty asset flip co-op spinoff instead of a proper new game.Now we're getting "Duskbloods" some bullshit co-op slop for the Switch.Why won't Fromsoft give the people what they want?
People want a non-linear interconnected world, NOT open world ship, and focus on exploration, NOT boss rushesI am the People
>>741862714All shareholders must hang.
>>741862884You have all your shit mixed up.Corridor worlds lead to boss rushes and open worlds lead to exploration.
>>741862714>We would make much more money if we worked the Lucky Cow to death
>>741863027Holy tourist
>>741863047China will grow larger.
>>741862714>Hong Kong based >it's just jews again
miyazaki prob doesn't have ideas to continue those stories and instead of listening to the money grubber shareholders and faggot people who wanna force a story out of him he knows won't be good he just ends the story on a good note.
>>741862714>release one of the best selling games of all time>you did not make enough money REEEEEEEI hate this modern world. I fucking hate it so much at times.
>>741862884You are literally the reason why that blizzard fuck said>you think you do, but you don'tYou are at the same time saying you want open worlds, but not have open worlds. Elden ring is literally what you describe, but you are hating it because YOU decided that its a boss rush game, not because it actually is, but because you consoomed online slop feeding you info on where to go and what to do, instead of just exploring in the game and having fun.
>>741863249It's not "you didn't make enough money" it's "you did not develop this wildly succesful IP to its fullest potential" and I agree.
>>741863374do you think dark souls is open world
>>741862714huuuuuuh guys tell me if I'm wrong but oasis shareholders are kind of right, fromsoft should make more games and sequels
>>741862714They are making consoleslop for browns to buy.
>>741863374This.It took me far longer to reach the end of Elden Ring than any Dark Souls game because I kept getting sidetracked with new locations to explore. Smug /v/tards just look up the quickest speedrun strat on FextraLife, write off all the dungeons as "lazy copypaste jobs" not worth doing, and then complain that the world isn't whimsical and magical enough like muh heckin Dark Souls 1 that they played as a teen.
>>741862714>BloodborneBloodborne was a moderate success at best sales wise and barely did better than 'Days Gone'.
>I lowkeyPost discarded, learn to speak like a human being OP you subhuman baboon.
>>741863413that doesn't mean tacking in more bullshit to the finished gamemaking a new game using what they learned from the previous game is more satisfying
>>741863979unc highkey mad
>>741863979I'm glad e3 is no more
>comparing Bloodborne and Sekiro to Elden Ringtheir sales were ass in comparison. I don't know what shareholders want out of Elden Ring, a sequel? the DLC basically was.
>>741864158midkey kill yourself
>>741864128>that doesn't mean tacking in more bullshit to the finished gameSOTE wasn't "bullshit". It was good and I want more DLC like it.>making a new game using what they learned from the previous game is more satisfyingStill waiting for a new game with Sekiro combat.
>>741864381SOTE was the finished game. wait for the next main project by FromSoft.
>>741862714>Now we're getting "Duskbloods" some bullshit co-op slop for the Switch.let them try new stuff you fucking tranny
>>741864381sekiro didn't sell enough for them to learn anything from it.
>>741863979I do sometimes wonder what life would be like right now had covid not happened. I feel like it would be better.
>>741864247Bloodborne and Sekiro's sales weren't ass, Elden Ring was just a monumental success (thanks to open world btw which /v/ insists is le bad) and that is what makes the refusal to make more DLC or a proper sequel so frustrating. Nobody asked for Nightreign or a Netlifx live action adaptation.
>low key>No one calling it outUnderage ban everyone in this thread.
>>741862884This guy is me and friends, true.
>>741862714You're a retard but outside of that, the only issue Fromsoft has is their release schedule for mainline games. Right now we're probably shit out of luck on getting one any time soon, especially if Duskbloods gets locked to a shitty tablet. Before ER we had to wait for a very long time for anything of value from Fromsoft and Sekiro, while a great game, did horribly to tide people over because of the lack of it's online. It feels like From has been dealing with droughts in their main releases that hold peoples attention for extended periods of time.
>>741864480Duskbloods is literally not-Bloodborne with Nightreign gameplay and locked to the Shitch, it's a spit in the face to all Fromsoft fans.
>Hong Kong-based Oasis Management
>>741864802>Duskbloods is literally not-Bloodborne with Nightreign gameplay and locked to the Shitch, it's a spit in the face to all Fromsoft fans.Did you already play test? Can you tell us what else there is? If not stfu you don't know shit about the game.
>>741864623is it like on they ground low or is the key in the bottom of ocean
>>741862884/thread, elden secondaries are seething
>>741864835The White Man wins again
>>741865017>white manThat's a jew.
>>741862714Anyone who has ever followed any development studio ever knows the LAST thing you want these fuckers to do is work independently and do what they want. Look at Bungie. Microsoft grinded the best Halo games out of them, they wanted to quit after Halo CE. Imagine never getting Halo 2, 3 or ODST and Reach because they just didn't want to make it. Then Activision forced them to keep to a system with Destiny and those were the best years of its existence. Then it goes independent, does some retarded shit and the game is already a walking corpse by the time Sony buys it. FromSoftware is currently making straight bullshit like Nightreign and Duskbloods and eroding their own good will.
>>741865081TrvkeDevs need to be enslaved and forced to deliver for the people
>>741865071You think every successful white person is a Jew?
>>741862714Didn't this shareholders meeting already happen?
>>741865251No, but this one is.
>>741863413>"you did not develop this wildly succesful IP to its fullest potential"That's Jew talk for 'you did not make enough money'.
>>741865251That guy served in the IDF, he's a Jew.
>>741865081>they wanted to quit after Halo CEThey should have, every Halo sequel is terrible.2 was a rushed out mess and 3 and Reach were passable at best if you're not some Xturd retard.
>>741862965your ire is probably better directed at (((activist investors))) and (((private equity))) all they are good at is looting companies for short term gains.
Fromsoft originals have always been better than their sequels, your argument is the proof
>>741863979>if you use words I don't like you're not humanShut up, nigger.
>>741862884>People want a non-linear interconnected worldThen why did Elden Ring sell the most, nigger?
>>741863374>>you think you do, but you don'tand you know Blizzard was wrong, right?
>>741866075Ummm because uuhhhh ummm because uhmmmmmm
>>741865017>can't read>Prior to joining Highbridge, Mr. Fisher served in the Israel Defense Forces.
>>741864623I am on your side and appreciate you fighting the good fight but its been over for a long time anon. People like you and I are the vast minority now and the site is 24/7 unironic twitterposting a, brownoid ESLs and underages >>741864569speaking in ebonics and twitter/tiktok memes. 4chan is a lost cause and has been for a long time
>>741865081>FromSoftware is currently making straight bullshit like NightreignNighreign is great. It's a different kind of game from their previous titles, but it's a very fun game. And it did very, very well for what must have been a low-budget development cycle.Duskbloods remains to be seen.
>>741865081This also applies to the studios that Microsoft bought. Phil gave them freedom, and all they produced was wokeslop garbage. From is doing the same thing now. They are producing multiplayer garbage because Miyazaki liked tarkov.
>>741862714>I lowkey agree with the shareholders here.you're agreeing with the same motherfuckers who advised nintendo to charge extra so mario would jump higherso, please, fucking kill yourself at your earliest convenience
>>741864987>>741865465>>741866075Because they threw their actual fans away for mainstream appeal, happens all the time. Are you a retarded salesfag by chance?
>>741866528But they are not making that same argument here, moron.
>>741866291Yeah, like "based" or "nigga", words that have been in frequent use on this site since the zoomers you faggots cry about were in diapers.
>>741866531Yeah I'm sure Dark Souls fans don't like Elden Ring, that's totally not a ridiculous /v/tard echochamber belief to have.
>>741866531>Because they threw their actual fans away for mainstream appeal,They haven't made an interconnected world since dark souls 1. Literally only one of their games has that design. So no, they are not throwing the bulk of their fans away
>>741866531Uhh the core souls fanbase ERJust because a handful of contrarians spout absolute falsehoods on this board does not make it general consensusElden ring is objectively a good game and no amount of seething will change that
>>741866531Game developers have two metrics to go off of for player feedback: Game sales, and game reviews. Elden Ring is most certainly their best selling game by a longshot. Is it their best reviewed game as well?
>>741862714Like any intelligent man, I want Dark Souls to burst in flames but, even more than that, I want the unending greed of investors to fucking fuck off.Where is Armored Core 7? Fuck Slopsouls.
>>741866716Bloodborne is about as interconnected as DS1 was, and if anything Sekiro is the most interconnected of the bunch.
>>741862714>keeps making hugely successful games that sell loads of copies>each game is more successful than the last>"nooooo! you have to CHANGE STRATEGY. you cant keep making new successful products, you have to do something else!"huh?
>>741866823>Bloodborne is about as interconnected as DS1 wasNo, it wasn't. There was no central hub area you kept going back to. You teleported to the hunters dream. It's nothing like firelink shrine
>>741866059Learn to speak shitskin
>>741866875Night reign did not sell as much as er.Duskbloods probably won't either.
>>741866784Oh so in the end you just want more of your favorite IP just like Souls fans.
>>741866610they are making the exact same fucking argument>"you're not squeezing out every little profit you possibly could of your ip"the EXACT.SAME.ARGUMENT.you fucking retard
>>741862884elden ring is a lot heavier on exploration than any dark souls game tho
>>741866941>There was no central hub areaYharnam
>>741863413Fromsoft shines when they create new things, not when they milk their older creations
>>741867082They are telling from to make more single player Elden Ring games rather than multiplayer slop. Which is a good thing in this case>Exact sameNo, you are a dishonest nigger. They are not telling from to insert pay to win elements like they did with Nintendo.
>>741862714>players: "we're happy with the game!">devs: "we're happy that you're happy!">some random investment kike: "we're not happy, add micro transactions! be more like gta v!"Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?Anyway if you want to make demands maybe you should buy more than just 14% you cheap fucking jews.
>>741867126riding through empty fields of nothing looking for loot beams while avoiding enemies effortlessly might qualify as exploration in some nintendo game but it doesn't qualify as exploration in a souls game
>>741866941>There was no central hub area you kept going back to.Oeden Chapel. Your level ups weren't there, but it's where the NPCs you meet go, and it's a central location.You could teleport from the get-go, but the levels are still interconnected and it maintained that DS1-style "level loops around and connects with an earlier level" concept (see: Forbidden Woods connecting to Iosefka's Clinic).>>741866985>you're brown>no you're brown>no YOU'RE brownKill yourself retard. You have no grounds to police other people's vocabulary. That is a definitively niggerlicious activity, through and through.
>>741863219>FromAssetFlipSoftware>HistoryKEK
>>741866941Cathedral Ward, dummy. Where all the NPCs end up.
>>741863850>The best PS exclusive sold slightly better than the second best PS exclusiveThat makes sense
>>741862884THIS
>>741867240What area are you even talking about. Yharnam is the name of the whole city. Bloodborne has no equivalent to fire link shrine
Oasis are the same Chinese retards that tried telling Nintendo to abandon consoles and focus on mobile. The only thing Japan needs to do is take their money and tell them that Nanking is a CCP myth.
>>741866531>actual fansI've been playing these games since Demon's Souls and Elden Ring was the best one for me that I have the most hours in by a wide margin. Or by 'actual fans' do you mean King's Field uncs?
>>741867289>Players: We love Elden Ring, we want more Elden Ring>Devs: Here's Nightreign, eat up>Players: That's not what we had in mind>Devs: Okay fuck you then I'm making Duskbloods
>>741867025sure but that was clearly a spin off that didnt take half as much effort as a mainline game. and duskbloods doesnt need to sell as much, nintendo will be paying them a shitload to make it a switch 2 exclusive. whatever from is doing, its a winning strategy. i dont see why anyone thinks they would be able to handle things better when from is handling things about as well as a game dev company possibly could.
>>741862714You're fucking retarded. You just listed several successful games in a row that weren't sequels. If they just kept making Dark Souls sequels we never would have gotten any of those games.
>>741867458>Bloodborne has no equivalent to fire link shrineSeveral people have pointed out to exactly its equivalent to firelink shrine. It's the area at the start of the Cathedral Ward, immediately after Gascoigne.It's almost like you didn't fucking play the god damn video game. Where are we, /v/?
>>741867324>Oeden Chapel. Your level ups weren't there, but it's where the NPCs you meet go, and it's a central location.I didn't go back there even once. It's not central in the same way firelink is. Firelink connects to multiple levels that are essential for progression. Its tied into the main quest gameplay. Nothing like Bloodborne.>and it maintained that DS1-style "level loops around and connects with an earlier level" concept (see: Forbidden Woods connecting to Iosefka's Clinic).No, ds1 is unique because alot of levels loop back to firelink shrine. What you are talking about is not unique at all. Most games have "interconnected levels". One level connects to the next. That's not unique.
>>741867025>Duskbloods probably won't either.>I don't know how exclusives work.>From won't receive money from Nintendo for exclusivity.>I have no brain.
>>741862714you talk like a nigger and you act like a kike, die in a fire you filthy fucking yidSAGE
>>741867721>I didn't go back there even onceYou absolutely did because that's how to get to the DLC. You're either lying or forgetting.
>>741867289The issue is that companies are legally obliged to make profits for investors
>>741862714I think investment locusts should all get dragged out onto the streets and shot.
>>741867385That's not comparable to firelink. You don't actually have to go there, whereas firelink is connected to multiple levels that you have to visit. I don't recall going back to that area even once. If I did, it didn't leave any impression on me. Firelink was a much better hub.
>>741867314Idk what game you played but when I played there were a bunch of caves, mines, castles, catacombs and other things to find with interesting loot in the "empty" fields
>>741862884we want open worlds dumb faggot
>>741867721>No, ds1 is unique because alot of levels loop back to firelink shrine.Undead Burg and...?
>>741867498>i dont see why anyone thinks they would be able to handle things better when from is handling things about as well as a game dev company possibly could.I don't know. Studios that are given the freedom to do what they want usually fuck up. And the fact that they produced to multiplayer games back to back does not inspire confidence.
>>741862714From (and kadokawa I guess) understand that IP quality is worth more than shitting out bad rehashes and destroying its image. Shareholders don't.
>>741862714>Elden Ring, Game of the DECADElmao come on now
>>741867974Name a better game
>>741867827There are many parasites leeching society that should be shot. And those aren't the people /pol/tards say are the parasites
>>741868019Lords of the Fallen (2023)
>>741866443>Nighreign is great.The NPC meme is real. raise your standards faggot
>>741862714>I lowkey agree with the shareholders here.Kill yourself.
>>741868052kek nice bait
>>741863249we live in the cursed timeline where the bad guys won jew war 2 and the romans didn't exterminate every last carthaginian phoenician canaanite babykiller before they could spread to the middle east and then later the hoholistan and then infest europe after that
>>741868065My standards for online games are pretty high. Somehow NR exceeded the bar. I was surprised too. It's great.
>>741868019Why? You'll just shit on it no matter what
>>741862714>one of the most successful games of all time>not successful enoughKill (((shareholders)))
I want more nightreign dlc so I agree
>>741868205Only correct post in the thread
>>741868019demon's souls, dark souls, dark souls 2, bloodborne, dark souls 3, sekiro.
>>741862714i honestly just want FS gone for ruining gaming for good
>>741863979exactly this, there nigger redditor kikes need to be eliminated from this site
>>741862714Why can't these shareholders go after Sega or someshit?
>>741867710That's not an equivalent at all. I don't recall going back there that much at all. Firelink was a hub for various merchants, estus upgrades, and connected to many essential levels. >>741867802I didn't buy the dlc. And if you only go back there for the dlc, then it is not comparable. >>741867918Undead burg, the catacombs, the new londo ruins, blight town, the undead asylum
>>741868065Nightreign is great thoughNow you're probably autistic and don't understand the concept of different people having different tastes but just because you don't like something doesn't mean its shit
>>741867952Except that they want to abandon the Elden Ring IP.All they want to do is make lesser spinoffs like night reign.
>>741868174It's only bait if you like open world slop
>>741862714i believe OP and his jew overlords should be dragged to the streets and shot like the dogs they are
I am done with this fucking company. Fuck shareholders. No more of my money for you.
>>741867265>new thingsthey've made the same game 6 times in a row now
>>741867498Yeah dude I'm so glad Nintendo will bribe Fromsoft into making a shit game, we're really #winning
The shareholders should be more concerned about putting a flagship mature game on a tablet made for babies and manchildren
>>741862714NightReign is kino tho
>>741867694We have enough pump-and-dump new IPs, it's time to start developing them a bit further.
>>741868280>I didn't buy the dlc. And if you only go back there for the dlc, then it is not comparable.So it doesn't count because you didn't play a good chunk of the game? Well at least you admit it. You still go back there because, assuming you've been bothering to pay attention to the game, you can send NPCs directly there. Not even in a vague way, but you get a little window where you have to select "Send to Oeden Church" or "Send to Iosefka's Clinc". The game is fucking waving a big flag and saying "RETURN HERE TO TALK TO NPCS".>Undead burgYes, UB connects back to firelink>the catacombsAt no point "loops back" to firelink. You start from firelink to get to it, but it doesn't loop back to it ever.>the new londo ruinsSame here, if anything all its area connections only lead you further from firelink.>blight townThis doesn't connect to firelink at all. Am I talking to fucking google AI search?>the undead asylumJust being able to go back to it the same way you left it isn't looping design, it's a standard loading screen level connection.
>>741867721>It's not central in the same way firelink is.Yes it is.Cathedral Ward connects to Central Yharnam, Old Yharnam, Forbidden Woods, Hemwick Charnel Lane and Nightmare Frontier.And if you do the NPC quests you'll have to go there back and forth.
Explain why it's wrong for me, an Elden Ring fan, to want more Elden Ring content.What if I don't want to just forget about old thing and get excited for new thing?
>>741863219>stories99.99% of people do not give a fuck about the stories in these games because their main source of the "story" is youtube videos
>>7418689042 has my preferred design, frequently hopping between multiple different paths. Maybe the game behind it just isn't ideal
>>741868904this has nothing to do with the thread
>>741865081really all creative people need is someone to tell them no
>>741868794>So it doesn't count because you didn't play a good chunk of the game?It's not a chunk of the game, it's dlc. And even then you probably only go back there once. >you can send NPCs directly thereSo it's not as important to progression as fire Link. I saw no reason to go back there when I was playing. >the catacombs>At no point "loops back" to firelink. Yes, but it's still connected which gives firelink more importance. It gives you a reason to go back there. >the new londo ruins>blight townBoth of these areas loop back to firelink. The New Londo ruins is accessed via elevator from firelink. And blight town is behind a locked gate in the same area. The end of the new londo level also loops back to firelink and blight town. You didn't even pay attention to the game. There is nothing like fire link in Bloodborne.
>>741862714get fucked PCissy
>>741867694Just because new games can be succesful doesn't mean existing ones aren't worth expanding on.Fromsoft new titles are only guaranteed to sell after the devs built their reputation with 3 Dark Souls games in the first place.
>>741868019Souls or otherwise? Souls in general are a mediocre genre focusing too much on aesthetics to really put any meaningful effort into gameplay. Elden is bloated and boring
>>741869368>Souls in general are a mediocre genre focusing too much on aesthetics to really put any meaningful effort into gameplay
>>741868794Also >Just being able to go back to it the same way you left it isn't looping designBut it acts as an access point which gives the area more importance.>>741868817Still not comparable. It's not a hub with merchants and estus upgrades. I don't remember this area specifically because i didn't need to come back there. Or if I did, maybe I only teleported back there to access another area. Either way, it's not memorable.
>>741868619NightReign is what so many souls fans always wanted; A full length co-op experience with progressively more challenging bosses and no obnoxious invaders constantly trying to harass and troll your group. NR is the ultimate PvE souls experience and I have so many fond memories from the past year
>>741869516Yeah I love rolling into r1 into roll into r1 into roll into r1. Elden mid even added l2 ash spam. Riveting gameplay. 100 hours more of this garbage please.
>>741862714Fromsoft has literally never done me wrong. I want them to do whatever they want. Not listen to shareholders and not listen to fans. The amount of people trying to get them to turn Nightreign into a full on live service convinced me the fans don't know shit about anything.
>>741869529>It's not a hub with merchants and estus upgrades.Okay but you said Firelink was memorable because it was interconnected with other areas. If it's about merchants and level upgrades then the Hunter's Dream is the same shit.>I don't remember this area specifically because i didn't need to come back thereBut you literally did, you can't beat Bloodborne without going through Cathedral Ward like 4 or 5 times.We get it you're a sóyllenial blinded by DS1 nostalgia, nothing could ever compare to your carefully curated idea of the perfect game.
>>741869606>Ignores parrying and guardingYour fault. Also, guard counters, jump attacks and charge attacks all have utility in some situations. Elden Ring has more depth than most action RPGs. Especially Western action RPGs.
>>741862714Shut the fuck up, jew.I hope you get what you deserve, you disgusting, vile parasite.
>>741869867>>Ignores parrying and guardingI ignore these because the game gets even more braindead if you incorproate these.>jump attacks Triviliase about half the bosses in the game. Good stuff>Elden Ring has more depth than Wide as an ocean deep as a puddle
>>741869550>A full length co-op experience with progressively more challenging bosses and no obnoxious invaders constantly trying to harass and troll your group.No, that's what tourists wanted.Invasions were always a core part of the Fromsoft experience, it was you autistic sissies who are scared of PvP who spent a decade begging From to turn Souls games into something that they weren't. Hence Nightreign being the first of its kind.
Elden ring did everything Dark souls 1 did but better
>>741869971>Invasions were always a core part of the Fromsoft experiencelets be real, most people dont like getting invaded, thats why the coop mod was so popular
>>741862714I don't really think investors interfering will generally lead to good things, because investors are just going to be ignorant bean counters who don't have any connection to video games and I think it's good for the actual game developers to have control over what they make and to be able to experiment.That being said, in From's particular case, I don't really like how they "experiment" by copy & pasting the BR danger circle into ER and then copy & pasting extraction slop to make Duskbloods. They """experiment""" by cynically looking at the most popular genres and apparently just duplicating mechanics with a From coat of paint, then shit out some GaaS-like slop in the hopes of hitting it big with minimal effort compared to one of their mainline games. Pretty disgusting and disappointing that after hitting major success with their regular games they've devolved into making this shit, I can only hope that they're secretly working on something else as well and it won't be more slop with mechanics copied from whatever other popular genre.
Cathedral ward wasn't bloodborne's firelink, it was the hunter's dream. It works like the nexus from demon's souls, I think none of you actually played the game.
>>741870016ds1 was a mediocre des anyways
>>741870016Not everything, but Elden RIng is the closest we've ever gotten to the DS1 feeling of adventure. Its just much less tight in its design.
>>741869229Mate your whole argument here is just "well I don't remember going back to it". People have pointed out connections it has to the surrounding areas just the same as Firelink. People have pointed out that NPCs return there, just the same as Firelink. You're essentially making "I'm a big dumb dumb who no remember good" into your means of arguing this fundamentally incorrect stance.And you first claimed that Firelink has a bunch of levels that loop back to it, and now you're moving that goalpost to "levels that connect to it". Not all connections are loops, and as you can see here >>741868904, it has one obvious loop and one very long loop that only connects to Firelink via the other loop.So I'll repeat myself to make my point clear: Bloodborne is about as interconnected as DS1, and employs the same style of looped level design.
>>741870050In DS2 by far the BoB arena and belltowers were the most active for pvp, half the people i invaded yanked their ethernet cables to crash the game but you could always find someone to fight in those 3 areas
>>741862714>Why won't Fromsoft give the people what they want?Armored Core 7, thanks. Keep your soulsslop
>>741869806>Okay but you said Firelink was memorable because it was interconnected with other areas.>If it's about merchants and level upgrades then the Hunter's Dream is the same shit.No, I said that there are many reasons you go back to it. >Interconnecting levels>Access to multiple areas>Merchants and upgradesYou go back there for many reasons. Hunters dream is not the same thing because you just teleport there. >But you literally did, you can't beat Bloodborne without going through Cathedral Ward like 4 or 5 times.And yet I don't remember any of it. Maybe it's because all the environments are so samey and dark, and because you just teleport everywhere.
>>741867857NTA but the problem with Elden Ring is that you didn't find a "bunch" of caves. You found one catacomb that was the base design for every other one.>Mines all have the same elevator shaft with some reinforcement stones if you drop off to the small cliffs on the side of the>Catacombs all have the same hallway guarded by the same flaming arrow turret>All have the same path structure leading to a recycled boss.The only really truly amazing cave is the entire underground network area leading to Nokron and Mogh. The only good catacomb is the one near the starting area with the rolling spikes (that you need a stone key to get into). But I'm tired of people disingenuously pretending like the caves are interesting because they aren't, especially by the time you get to Leyndell.
OP is a shareholder
>>741870114>Cathedral ward wasn't bloodborne's firelinkIt was in the sense that it became a hub for all the NPCs you meet along your journey. I think its the only time they uncoupled the NPC gathering area and the actual level up hub
>>741869942So you purposely ignore mechanics and then say that they game had no depth, LMAO. All games are like this. If you use the correct tools in any game, the game gets easier. It's what you are supposed to do. Depth isn't about difficulty, it's about how many decisions you have to make in combat. >Wide as an ocean deep as a puddleMore depth than the majority of games in the genre.
>>741870336>And yet I don't remember any of it. Maybe it's because all the environments are so samey and dark, and because you just teleport everywhere.Nah thats because you are retarded.
>>741866531The newfaggot brownoid disconnect from reality with Elden ring is so hilarious Elden ring is widely considered one of the greatest games ever made, and amongst fans of souls specifically it often IS considered the greatest game ever madeThe only place where you see anyone even hint at this not being the case is this nu-/v/ filled with brown seaniggers and jeets who don’t even play video games other than gacha. These fucktarded losers are trying to farm izzat or some shit on a mongolian glass blowing image board and think merely by spamming every day it somehow changes reality. The type of behavior that leads to them standing on train tracks and thinking a train surely isn’t coming because I insist it isn’t coming so it isn’t coming. Very bizarre behavior these third worlders exhibit
>>741870512>So you purposely ignore mechanics and then say that they game had no depth, LMAO.>game gives you no incentives to use any mechanics because the most surface level shit gets the job doneThis is garbage game design. Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. Or in elden rings case wide as a puddle since there's other 'soulslikes' who do much more fun and engaging combat.
>>741862714game of the decade lmao fuck offit was fun but it's not game of the "decade" literally just reused dark souls 3 assets.
>>741867974Right, it's game of the last 3 decades.
OP keeps pretending that shareholder business is not old news and that the Kadokawa coup didn't failPlease stop giving OP attention because you are directly feeding into a mentally ill man's fantasies
>>741869942See>>741870578How does it feel to be a complete loser piece of shit, out of touch with reality?
>>741870578Funny how as soon as the internet and media gets flooded with jeets, souls fanbase suddenly blows up in numbers.
>>741870582You don’t even know what game design is, third world retard.See>>741870578
>>741870754Funny how as soon as /int/ starts making Indian memes the entire whole of 4chan is obsessed with Indians and spams "jeet" into every Youtube comments field and post box they can find
>>741870172The chart that you linked to shows 4 loops and 3 connections.There's nothing like that in Bloodborne. Also, you teleport everywhere in Bloodborne which is probably why I don't remember the area. It's just not memorable.It didn't have merchants or upgrades either. >>741870541No, it's because the area is not memorable.
>>741870721>How does it feel to be a complete loser piece of shit, out of touch with reality?You tell me, you're upset I correctly pointed out that Elden Ring is a dumb game. There's a reason it's so popular. It's accessible, runs on toasters and any brownoid can play it as a result.
>>741870587>>741870321>>741869909>>741868274Samejeet
>>741870154Dark souls 1 isn't tight at all, DeS is way better. Dark souls 1 is a bunch of great ideas but poorly executed
>>741870375>>Catacombs all have the same hallway guarded by the same flaming arrow turretThis is the shittiest part of elden ring. Just copy paste this shit in every crevice of the map.
>>741870375That's not true, I also found caves with huge crystal formations you had to cross and I found catacombs with sens fortress style blades everywhere
>>741870754>suddenlyAhhh yes the fucking braindead jeet is standing on train tracks again. Souls gradually increased their fanbase over time by consistently releasing great games. What ACTUALLY exploded out of nowhere was completely braindead jeets like you who suddenly hate bloody benchod from Suck shit and stand in some train tracks out of touch thirdie dipshit Hold this L:Elden ring will always be considered one of the greatest games ever made You’ll always be considered a subhuman incel
>>741870582>This is garbage game design.No, having to use your brain is good game design. You are just a monkey who can't comprehend the game beyond rolling. It's not deep as a puddle when there are many mechanics for dealing with specific situations
>>741870898calm down tranny
>>741870870See>>741870578Newfaggot
>>741870818I accept your concession>>741871032>you are basterd bloodyCalm down rajesh.>>741871039Yes the most basic pattern recognition that comes with parrying sure is difficult.>It's not deep as a puddle when there are many mechanics for dealing with specific situationsOnce again completely pointless when none of it is required.
>>741866075Because DaS, BB, etc., built up an insane amount of trust and goodwill out of Fromsoftware.The vast majority of "Souls fans" these days started with 3, so ER was like a brand new thing to them while all the people who like DaS in the first place thought it was mid
>>741870375>All have the same path structure leading to a recycled bossThat's just a lie, every dungeon has a different layout, no two are the same.Also a lot of dungeons had special gimmicks that set them apart from the rest, like the one with the big basilisk eyes that give you deathblight, or the giant fuckoff imp cannon, or the DLC gaol with the hanging jar elevators. The caves are very different as well; one is covered in poisonous sludge, another is a crystal cave with mages everywhere, and another has spirit snails and an NPC ghost invader.
>>741863047Its how investors think, they dont really care about the comoany itself, just how much money it can make quarter to quarter even if it hurts the company long term, they just move onto the next one
>>741870904I disagree. Demon's is much more proof of concept in a lot of ways. Just compare Valley of Defilement to Blighttown. The former is much more linear and just a big open swamp. The later is much more tightly designed with so many ladders and pathways up and down that it isn't obvious which way is which. The swamp below is less open, but just open enough to give scale.
>>741870870You’re a seething chimp who doesn’t even play video games, yet another brown manlet from some shithole like india or indonesia upset Elden ring isn’t a gacha game You have no argument You have no grasp on reality You have nothing but your suicidal thoughts
>>741870675Hmm, perhaps you are right. Let's all migrate to the Delta Rune threads!
they want to have different publishers they own around the world to put leverage on fromsoft instead of letting them do whatever with bamco
>>741871192It has nothing to do with game design and everything to do with being a jaded bitter old boomer who is burnt out on videogames and doesn't enjoy anything.If you think Elden Ring is "mid" you have senile old fuck dementia, simple as.
God, i hate jews so much, it's unreal
>>741871207Lets not forget the mindfuck dungeon which has the only instance of actual copypaste in the game and its on purpose to make you think you've gone in a loopGod elden ring is so fucking good
>>741862714Why did they acquire shares in a company that they think is failing? It's like buying shares in Ubisoft and then complain about them churning out worthless slop. Why not buy something else instead?
>>741871330Stand in front of a train jeet, you'll be reincarnated remember?
>>741870845>The chart that you linked to shows 4 loops and 3 connections.>firelink -> burg -> parish -> firelink (1)>firelink -> burg -> depths -> blighttown -> valley -> OOPS, need to go through new londo first>firelink -> new londo -> velley -> blighttown -> OOPS, depths's connection to blighttown is one-way>firelink -> new londo -> valley -> basin -> garden -> oops it's just the undead burg/parish loop again (2)
>>741871161Concession posting in 2026? As expected of an out of touch newfaggot brown. What’s next you’re going to narwhal the bacon at midnight? See>>741870578Bro is a fucking SEAjeet incel CONCESSION POSTING in 2026, you know he’s ESL
>>741871508Concession already accepted, feel free to keep crying
antis getting BTFO so hard
>>741867814not in japan they aren't, KIKE
>>741868019the surge.
>>741871192ER is good for one playthrough but it's the most tedious game in the genre to replay because it's open world.>just skip contentHow about I skip the game
>>741871587>saaaar BENCHOD THE CONCESSIONBABAHAHSHAH this fucking subhuman ESL can’t even speak unless he’s repeating decades old memes You just KNOW he’s a sub 5 foot tall manlet with shit colored skin
>>741871161>difficultDifficulty =\= depth. Simple games can be difficult if they are punishing. Lots of older games are like that.
>>741871763>Simple games can be difficult if they are punishingVery true, though this doesn't apply to Elden Mid
You can tell shareholders are something other and lesser than real human beings because they think Kadokawa, of all companies, isn't being greedy and exploitative enough with its brands. These "people" are another species basically a form of herd animal that we should be treating as livestock.
>>741871161>>741871587Saaaar da concession daaaar I accept you are the concession saaaarWho the fuck is still doing this raped shit in 2026. It’s basically just saying “I’m fucking seething and have no argument”
>>741862714I don't care about soulsshit. Sekiro 2 or AC6 DLC when. Keep your duskbloods for the tendie shit 2.
bloodborne was created when they were running high on dark soulssekiro was created when everyone was begging for it to be a bloodborne sequelif these guys had their way we'd be on dark souls 8 by now
>>741862884>NOT boss rushesThere are barely any boss rush games and bosses are the only highlight of these soulsslop games.
>>741862884>and focus on explorationER is exploration focused. You don't like arteria leaf?
>>741868971There's a very large difference between wanting endless DLC for a game and wanting a sequel to a game. Wanting Elden Ring 2 is understandable. Wanting $4000 of DLC plus microtransactions for Elden Ring 1 is not commendable.
>>741871587He says as he makes daily seething at Elden ring post, raped behavior
>>741871975>bosses are the only highlight of these soulsslop gamesmaybe if your favourite game is bad souls 3
>>741865071Jews are white
>>741863127>Holy tourist
>>741868971hopefully the new jews in charge make fromsoft add new dlc, like higher tarnished jump or maybe faster running speed for only $29.99
>>741866531And what is the "mainstream appeal" present in Elden Ring?
>>741871445Buy low sell high. You buy shares, then hope the company's value increases (by producing successful products) so those shares increase in value with the company, then you sell those shares at a profit. I hope you're a child so I didn't have to explain that to an adult.
>>741863027>fuck around an open field for a few hours before proceeding to the next bossSo fun
>>741862965These are the (((people))) who bought out nintendo in 2017 and ruined it
>>741871335congrats on coming out as a tourist anon
>>741868019any non-empty world RPG statsloppa that copypastes multiple main bosses
>>741872351>nintendo in 2017>not already ruined for at least a decadeRetard
>>741862714Miyazaki only works right when you let him do what he wants
>>741872305"Fucking around" here being a way to avoid having to use the word "exploration".
>>741862714Taking the bribe from nintendo was the last straw. Miyazaki needs to be reined in.
>>741872305Yeah it is fun you should actually try playing it instead of being a loser shitposter, like homie I know you’re waiting for your mom to die before you kill yourself just based on how bitch made your posts are
>>741872475>explore copy paste cave>arteria leaf or spirit ash to throw on the pileWow amazing
>>741871442I got ragebaited so hard by that dungeon. Fucking Miyazaki.
>>741872275if everyone buys low and sells high who the fuck is buying yours when its high???
>>741871587>>741872047>Wanting $4000 of DLC plus microtransactions for Elden Ring 1I wouldn't mind a bunch new weapons and spells. Especially spells, there are many magic types that are criminally underdeveloped. Sadly it looks like the Tarnished edition will fix none of that, instead we're getting literal horse armor.
>>741871492Some examples of firelink loops:1. Firelink to undead Parish and back2. Firelink to darkroot basin, then Valley of Drake's, then back. 3. Firelink shrine to new Londo and then Valley of Drake's and then back4. Firelink shrine to depths to blight town and then back. It's clearly much more central than anything in bloodborne
>>741872663Retards itt obviously
>>741872542You're a funny one. How do you know it's a copypasted cave if you didn't "fuck around", in your words?>I'm not going to do that, it's not worth it! How do I know it's not worth doing you ask? well...uhh... someone on /v/ said it
>>741870375>You found one catacomb that was the base design for every other one.The layouts of all the catacombs are different. Some catacombs follow a theme, but that theme increases in complexity as you progress through the game.But by and large, they are all different. You were just fooled by the game reusing visual assets. Which wasn't really a problem until recently. Nobody scoffed at reused tilesets in 2D games. Like how Donkey Kong Country uses the same jungle tileset for multiple jungle themed levels. The same ancient ruin tileset for multiple ancient ruin levels. Or the same mine shaft tileset for multiple mine cart levels. But for some reason, everyone is holding Fromsoft's feet to the fire for reusing assets to build multiple levels.
>>741872715>instead we're getting literal horse armor.We're getting the Hollowslayer Greatsword, two new starting classes, and at least two other new weapons (the swords the starting classes start with).
>>741871816>Very true, though this doesn't apply to Elden MidYeah, but my argument was about depth, not difficulty.
>>741872386pwnd
You retards really can't resist turning every Fromsoft thread into a Dark Souls 1 map design thread.Somehow a discussion about Elden Ring shareholders turns into the 689520th thread about why Firelink Shrine is the greatest area in videogame history again.
>>741872793Because I've already played through the game. Is that no longer an expectation on /v/? I played through the game and am discussing how tedious the open world was.
>>741873007it's funny because DS1's interconnectivity isn't very remarkable due to mostly boiling down to a small handful of side areas attached to main progression areas, and main progression areas having shortcuts through the drake cliff and darkroot garden
>>741872718>2. Firelink to darkroot basin, then Valley of Drake's, then back.Which you have to unlock by first going through New Londo. If you count this then you're also counting shit like Firelink -> Parish -> Burg -> Firelink, which would be silly.>3. Firelink shrine to new Londo and then Valley of Drake's and then backYou're looping around to Undead Parish, which is where the actual loop is. And don't you get the key to to the connection between Drakes and Basin from Burg? So again, it's one-way. You're counting a one-way loop two ways.
>>741873007Its just that good.
>>741873091>>741873007People played ds1 as impressionable teenagers. It's the same reason why people still cling on to persona 3 despite that being a turd of a game.
let miyazaki make what he wants, faggot op
It's funny how every thread on /v/ right now is complete garbage.
>>741867025>different type of game doesn't sell as well as more popular gameno way
>>741873150DS1 is still the best Dark Souls game thoughbeit
>>741873034So you DID explore it then? What the fuck are you even crying about then? Uh I don't want to explore, I only spent hours and hours doing it already? No shit you don't want to explore a game you've already explored, retard. If someone hasn't been told (lied to) that ER has copypasted dungeons they're not going to just fucking assume that on a blind playthrough, they have the whole game to explore.
>>741873007>>741862714Shareholders are retarded, greedy goblins, who will destroy the quality of the product, if it means they can increase their profits by a fraction of a penny.There really isn't much to say about it, other than pray that CEO Takeshi Natsuno doesn't cave to their demands.OP is a massive faggot, because he wants franchises to be milked, instead of allowing creatives to try new and different things.
>>741867289>be more like gta v!my god how many X MILLIONS SOLD posts are we going to get
>>741873007If the novelty of that one elevator overshadows the entire From Rolls series, what statement does that make about the actual quality of these games?
>>741873034You didn’t play the game. You are a retarded shitposting loser.Do you like marvel movies?
>>741873296Yep, I would argue that the "fans" shouldn't be listened to either. When the creatives are as good as they are at Fromsoftware, let them make the decisions. They've never disappointed me.
>>741862714>CEO TakeshiHe's already lost at this point
Realistically, what does the shareholder jews being salty at Fromsoft mean for the average gaming consumer??
>>741873293I can't complain about the game I played through because I played through it? That's a new one.
>>741873496that mean the good people might leave fromsoft to do their own studio and the IPs we like will either be dead or desecrated for money
>>741873382The irony in OP's statement, is that he fails to see that we got Bloodborne, because they didn't milk the Dark Souls universe. We got Sekiro, because they didn't milk the Bloodborne universe. And we got Elden Ring, because they didn't milk the Sekiro universe. If they just "gave what the people what" as he puts it, then we would be on Dark Souls 6 right now, still trying to figure out what Velka's master plan is.
>>741873226I guess, but does it really matter?
wasn't there talk of some elden ring mobile game made by tencent years ago?
>>741873674It does to me, sweet anon
>>741873571>a new one Implies you get shit on regarding this topic often. Nice self own, fucking braindead ass faggot
>>741873735Okay then I agree
>They Made X and Y and Z and 3 GAMES OF W, WHAT DO GAMERS WANT, HOW DO YOU MAKE A DARK SOULS GAME THAT FEELS FRESH AND ORIGINAL AND STILL SATISFIES THE FANBASE?You... don'tDemons' Souls was an anomaly. It is extremely difficult to replicate without just defeating the purpose.Dark Souls was bigger, better and cleaner.Everything they've made since has either been crap, or it's missed the point to a degree that I wouldn't call it Dark Souls.They made a compelling game that the whole world talked about around the watercooler and then thoughtlessly replicated it until I'm sick of hearing about it and everything associated with it.I don't know if Fromreddit fans are better or worse than Star Wars fans. But you're losing to begin with if that's your barometer.
>>741873776Why else would you come to /v/ except to complain about games? Silly anon.
>>741873784See>>741870578Out of touch third worlder, stay mad
>>741873636Every time they have done sequels, they've been much less compelling than when they do a brand new IP. Even if I like DS2 and 3 for some things, they pale in comparison to things like BB, ER, and Sekiro.
>>741873906>it's good because it's popular!Lmao, nu /v/
>>741873784This reads like chatGPT, dark souls was not a “water cooler” game, get the fuck out of here, that was literally Elden ring
>>741873315It says you're a dishonest faggot hyping up an elevator while lazily brushing off the entire Elden Ring map as "meh, copypaste".
>>741873974>it’s bad because I’m a shit eating brown manletNu - /v/Stay raped homie.Stay out of touch.It’ll only lead to your suicide (well maybe you’ll get hit by a train)
>>741873571>people don't want open world, they want exploration (>>741862884)>open worlds lead to exploration (>>741863027)>but that's just fucking around (exploring) before proceeding to the boss! that's not fun! (>>741872305)>i played through (explored) the game and think it's tedious (>>741873034)So you're just outright contradicting yourself by asking for more exploration then saying actually you don't because that's boring?
>>741873145>Which you have to unlock by first going through New Londo. If you count this then you're also counting shit like Firelink -> Parish -> Burg -> Firelink, which would be silly.Why would that be silly, exactlyWe are counting all loops, even stuff that is unlocked later. >You're looping around to Undead Parish, which is where the actual loop is.No, the valley of drakes connects a bunch of areas. It connects the end of new londo back to firelink, and it connects the end of blightown back to firelink. Im pretty sure you unlock the gate to valley of drakes once you exit blightown. The key itself is near the blightown exit. Or you can just use a master key.
>>741862714me personally i don't buy games that don't have the bandai namco seal of approval
>>741873974No one said that, learn to read. Oh you can’t, ESL
>>741862714MAKE NIGHTREIGN A LIVE SERVICE GAME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOr at least give it more DLC
>>741874146No I'm saying open world sucks, keep up.
>>741873636>>741873935Fromsoft's ability to come up with new diamonds doesn't negate the fact that they could polish and refine those diamonds even further but they just refuse to. It's still wasted potential. You might think it's all good until one day they pump out a stinker like Nightreign or Duskbloods, an entire year gone to waste, and it makes you wonder if that time and those resources could've been invested on a good sequel instead.
>>741874329Nighreign was goty if you actually enjoy video games. They didn’t even intend to release dlc but did because of its positive reception.Seems like you’re an out of touch retard
>>741862714Does Fromsoft even own any of their properties or does Sony/Activision/Bandai? If the latter it makes sense that the shareholders are mad since the publishers are making bank off of Fromsoftwares work
>>741862714>Why won't Fromsoft give the investors what they want?FTFYNobody wanted Elden Ring to charge you $4.99 for talismans, $12.99 for talisman slots, $23.99 for RoB only to nerf it so people also buy the $27.99 next meta weapon
>>741873007Because there's genuinely nothing else like it.
>>741862884>Elden Ring sold more than the rest of Froms catalog combinedEEETS NOT WHAT ZE PEEPOH WANT!
>>741862714Nigga, Nightreing is a way better game than elden ring despite being a barebones asset flip, you can argue about it being a bigger game = better, but it just doesn't beat how good nightreign plays
>>741872396No chance for redemption
>>741874329I'm not a huge Nightreign fan, but I thought it was fun. I'm looking forward to Duskbloods too.They're on record stating that they have a big main game that has been in development this entire time that we don't know about. I'm more than okay with them experimenting with new ideas in the mean time. Nightreign, for example, was headed by a first time director.
>>741872396Nope? 3DS era Nintendo was peak.
Open world is synonymous with exploration.Exploration means moving around freely, perhaps aimlessly, getting lost and sidetracked, running into things by happenstance, without a clear cut direction of where to go at all times.Corridor worlds, as interconnected as they may be, are the antithesis of exploration. Whether they're linear or "looped", doesn't matter. There's no exploration because you don't have a choice of where to go. You can't look over the horizon and say "hm I wonder what's over there, I'll go check it out". Exploration does not mean experiencing every inch of a carefully curated system of hallways that the developers laid out for you; that's just getting railroaded into a predetermined track, even if you don't realize it at first.Exploration requires FREEDOM.
>>741874062Its more than an elevator. Blight town, new londo and darkroot garden also loop back into firelinkThe best part of ER was stormveil castle. If the other dungeons were more like it i would rank it the same as ds1.
>>741874157>Why would that be silly, exactlyBecause the whole reason people care about the loop is progressing in a direction you thought was taking you away from the hub but then discovering there's a shortcut that means you no longer need to backtrack through the level to get back to the hub. You're not taking the shortcut from the hub to then backtrack all the way through the level in reverse. Passing through Valley of Drakes you're not going to think "I bet those huge impassable doors lead back to Firelink Shrine!", you're going to be surprised to find pulling that lever opens the doors and allows you to get to Blighttown and below from Firelink, without having to go all the way through the Depths or Parish/Burg then Darkroot then Valley. If you could just go straight to Parish without having to drop the elevator by first going through Burg then what you have is two separate levels that connect at a point, like a reverse fork, not a loop.
>>741874842retard
>>741874329You are full of shit, Nightreign is probably the best multiplayer experience of the decade and it's unironically up there with the best fromsoft games ever.
>>741874842DS1's exploration is more akin to the exploration in a Metroid game
>>741874842You can just as easily have freedom in a dungeon crawler with many branching paths. Most open worlds amount to a large procedurally generated world where you go from point a to b, with copy paste activities. There are no interesting levelsClosed world games typically have more interesting levels to actually explore.
Tell it straight to me bros, is there any chance nightreign gets more content?(I'm still waiting for the armored core DLC-sequel)
>>741874498>Nobody wanted Elden Ring to charge you $4.99 for talismans, $12.99 for talisman slots, $23.99 for RoB only to nerf it so people also buy the $27.99 next meta weaponPlease, enough of the strawman.Kadokawa isn't asking for microtransactions, they're asking for sequels and DLC expansions like SOTE.I want Elden Ring 2, the shareholders want Elden Ring 2, Miyazaki wants Duskbloods.
>>741875134>There are no interesting levels>what are legacy dungeonsdidn't play the game award
>>741875304Its possible, but I think they probably want to move on from it
Duskbloods still sounds like a parody name to me.
>>741875458I NEED the network test already
>>741862714I've only seen kids and subhumans beg for sequels instead of being interested in something new or accepting that not everything new is for them. I don't give a shit about duskbloods but I can also wait for their next game since they don't take 5 fucking years between releases and their games are actually replayable.
>>741868257>demon's soulsThere's only two good levels, mid>dark soulsI agree even if the 2nd half is kinda a mess? DLC is kino though>dark souls 2Unplayable slop>bloodborneUhhh, Sure. I mean some parts of the levels is complete dogshit but I hard agree>dark souls 3Yeah>SekiroHaven't played enough
I've replayed elden ring more than I have bloodborne.Bloodborne's main trick was going "oh you thought this was Victorian vampires and werewolves? Too bad it's HP lovecraft you fucker" Which rocked harder than any first run of any of the other games but that spark didn't exist on subsequent runs. Plus most build sucked because you needed to grind chalice dungeons to even begin to use them.This doesn't make bloodborne bad, just not very replayable.All the other games I got several replays through because I actually wanted to do different builds and playstyles. Honestly that's my one complaint about Elden Ring is that it takes FOREVER to get all the talismin slots unlocked. Even 3 requires you beating like half the game. It's brutal.
>>741874929>but then discovering there's a shortcut that means you no longer need to backtrack through the level to get back to the hub.But the same thing applies to the burg to fire link shortcutThere are two shortcuts: The burg to firelink shortcut and the parish elevator to firelink shortcut. Both are useful depending on what you want to do, and both count as loops.
>>741874329That have polished up the things that they care about. That's the thing. All of these games are fairly similar. But they have different priorities, because the creators care about different aspects than what you care about. I would love to see a Demon's Souls style world tendency system come back. But Fromsoft decided they don't want to do it, so they focused on other things.You shouldn't want to force their hand to create something they don't care to create.
>>741863027Open worlds only lead to wikis
>>741862714More money more problems
>>741875419elden ring is an exception. Other open world games don't have stuff like that. And the only reason elden ring does is because of it dark souls dna.
what is it that compels jewish people to just be evil and destroy everything
>>741862714Imagine if instead of Sekiro and Elden Ring we got Dark Souls 4 and 5. That's what these faggots are asking for.
Stormveil CastleRaya LucariaLeyndellVolcano ManorFarum AzulaElphael HaligtreeNokronNokstellaDeeproot DepthsSubterranean Shunning-GroundsMohgwyn PalaceCaria ManorCastle MorneCastle RedmaneCastle SolShaded CastleBeluratCastle EnsisShadow KeepShadow Keep, Church District Abyssal WoodsMidra's ManseAncient Ruins of Rauh.Enir-Ilim.No interesting levels, apparently.No interconnectivity, apparently.Only empty land and copypaste, apparently.Only DS1 has thoughtful map design, apparently.
>>741871083uh oh jeet melty
>>741862714The shareholders is a jew that served in the IDF so I high key disagree with him by default
>>741875624>2nd half is kinda a mess?people say that but the only bad level in the second half was lost izalith.
>>741875339Absolute retardOasis is demanding Elden Ring to be milked to death not Kadowaka, that's the whole point of their hostile vote kicking to instate some mule who will instate macrotransactions.
>>741876146Saaar it's da joos saar
>>741874329You get those diamonds because they refuse to do sequels, retard. You dont get to bitch about no sequels of games that were born specifically because they didnt want to make Dark Souls 123. Thats one of the best things From has, they give you something new every time because they have a clear vision of what the game should be, instead of instantly defaulting to muh sequel. >it's all good until one day they pump out a stinker like Nightreign or Duskbloods, an entire year gone to wasteGood, if these games are bad or mediocre, they will learn from it, you have the ability to learn new things if you try to INNOVATE.
>>741876327It LITERALLY is >>741864835
>>741875965It's not destroying to them. They're going in, they're objectively making mad money, and they're moving on.The sad reality is, if you want fat stacks, you start by filling a niche then use that capital to borrow shit tons of money to transform your company.Remember the really old PSAs about using your profits to grow the company? They're doing that, it's just instead of growing it to do what it already does, but better, it's gabling everything to pivot the entire business into shit like real-estate, investing, or IP whoring.There's a reason Disney can genuinely spend a decade doing nothing but poison the well and still be a profitable business. Hell, why movies are black holes for a decade now but no major studio closed. They aren't making their money from their products anymore.I bet you the legal department of Nintendo makes more money than their game development branch.
>>741876395>>741863205>>741865071>>741865689You are so weird, pathetic and lame
>Jews made me incompetent, infertile and stupid
>>741876064alot of these were visually interesting, but did not have much in the way of environmental hazards. Stormveil had that, and liurnia to a degree, but the other levels were missing it. Also most of these levels did not have particularly intricate layouts. Don't get me wrong, they are still better than what you find in pretty much any other open world game.But i know that From can do even better. As it is, the best levels are Shadow keep, haligtree, shaded castle and stormveil. In terms of layout, imo. The others are too simple.Although i haven't explored mohgwyn palace properly
SotE was such a fucking catastrophe. >Sidestory that doesn't impact the main ending, yet takes place during it. You can finish it and then go back and get a "real" ending >No expansion to the storyline or choices you can make. Can't join Miquella, the whole Radahn and his boywife final boss instead of any Godwyn stuff or other mysteries in the main campaign etc. No GEQ / St Trina stuff , no ability to save Melina without Frenzied Flame ending where she hates you etc.. >No follow up expansion that could have made up for some of this being so limited Honestly its the same issue with Cyberpunk2077 - both had expansions that completely shit the bed despite you can see how nice the bed could have been if it wasn't covered in shit.
>>741877112>it's just a coincidence that all the world's problems are caused by jews
>>741862884>open world ship
>>741876958>nooo do not look up the actual man behind it>sir do NOT post a screenshot of his official biography blurb!! it's lame and pathetic do not do it!!!Anon it is literally on his official investment firm's website: https://oasiscm.com/about-us/He wrote that himself
>>741876330I've had enough new IPs, thank you, I don't need any more. I want more of the IPs that I already have. Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring, Armored Core. That's a good amount, we don't need any more.
>>741862714>Bloodborne; console seller, best game in the history of the PS4, no sequel.>Sekiro was GOTY; no sequel, no DLC, no nothing.>Elden Ring, Game of the DECADE...2 of the 3 are in the same franchise, and 3 of the 3 are in the same genre made by the same company. Idk man that's like complaining that there's not a sequel to Star Trek First Contact because the other two movies have nothing to do with the Borg.
>>741870675Seems like a good excuse for shitposting about whether the next Fromsoft game should be open worlds, linear, or tunneled, or doughnut shaped.>>741862714>>741873296>>741871845>>741867289Shareholder here. The other shareholders told THIS man. >>741864835 to fuck off. I don't think he can increase profits. I would probably exit any position that this fuckhead gets control of. >>741862965Die mad and broke. And at least learn the most basic year one college level economics of this shit. Worker owned co-ops have worker shareholders.>>741873496They're always salty. And it's really more a question of which jews you want to side with. In this specific case, that man is one of the dumbest motherfuckers around gaming. He's the same dude who suggested MTX to make mario jump higher to Nintendo. >>741874459Elden ring was co owned by Bandai Namco, they bought them out.Sekiro, Armored Core, Kings field are fromsoft only.Dark souls is owned by Fromsoft BUT Bandai Namco owns the Dark Souls trademark in some regions. Anything Dark Souls needs both, but they could do spinoffs. Bloodborne and Demon souls are owned by sony.Activision owns Tenchu.>>741868279They did. Valueact. Valueact pushed them to focus on console games. They aren't nearly as stupid arrogant or hostile as Oasis. They aim for 4 year plans, which puts them ahead of any quarterly gains heros.
Duskbloods will be the first abject failure from FromSoft.
>>741877335That doesn't make you less weird and pathetic.
>>741862714>Bloodborne>console sellerPick one, and only one
>>741877604you wish
>THIS NEW IP IS JUST DARK SOULS #!>THIS DARK SOULS # ISN'T A NEW IPWhat the fuck are people who complain about fromsoft even saying anymoreThe insane shit i've seen from "Elden ring is totally different from dark souls" to "Armored Core 6 is just Sekiro again" has genuinely damaged my IQ over the months.Maybe it's not as cut and dry as that guys.
>>741876958>>741877663Don't be so antisemitic anon. Dude wants to celebrate his jewish heritage. He's a religious minority in fucking China of all places.
>>741862965>Anon wants to execute his parents for having a pension or a 401(k)Wait till you find out what the bank does with the money you deposit!
>>741877717are you retarded?
>>741877160>Godwyn stuff or other mysteries in the main campaign etc. No GEQ / St Trina stuff , no ability to save Melina without Frenzied Flame ending where she hates you etcWOOOOOW IF ONLY WE HAD A SEQUEL OR A NEW DLC TO EXPLORE ALL THESE CONCEPTS??????But ugh, that would mean siding with evil shareholders. No thanks, I'm ready for a co-op Switch exclusive new IP instead.
>>741877161>The so-called 'master race' is always seething over Jews, unironically psy-oping itself into thinking they are nigh-omnipotent and control all major aspects of the modern world. You are stupid, and nobody likes you, not even your own mom. You lost. Go back to /pol/
>no summer sale
>>741877740>tendie only>PVPVEEven if I were a tendie, I still wouldn't touch this with a rented Switch 2. I didn't buyboughted Nightreign either. Multiplayer-focused is absolute AIDS. I am a single player only CHAD.
>>741862884>People want a non-linear interconnected world, NOT open world shipso why is the elden ring the most popular and wide reaching game in the pseudo-franchise?
>>741864623>>741863979look at this mad unc SHEEEEEEEEEEEZH
force them to add easy modespatch old games and add it to new games
>>741877663Why don't you tell that to Seth Fischer directly, that it's weird and pathetic that he writes about being in the IDF and studying at Yeshiva University and being on a synagogue committee? Maybe he'll see your point and edit his page!
>>741878028You're just acting even weirder and more pathetic. Even here, you're the weirdo in a board full of weirdos.
>>741877834Any sequel will take place so far in the future that those names will be nothing but easter eggs for fans.
>>741878028There is nothing wrong with that. You lost, retard. Now stop seething
>>741871442There's 2 "copy paste" dungeons.The one with the loop (which is also a side dungeon inside a legacy dungeon) and the one with the teleporting chests.
>>741862714BTW the Hong Kong company is only a shell company.It is Israeli Americans who own Oasis Management.
>>741877976tourists are not people
The head of Oasis Management (the company trying to turn Dark Souls into a yearly Call of Duty release) is literally a member of the Israeli Defense Force. You can't make this stuff up.
>>741862714>It lays golden eggs>Why aren't you cutting it open?
>>741878008>Buy 10,000 Rune Points for just $9.99>Summon Solaire to engage in jolly cooperation for just 900 Rune Points
>>741877946I look forward to your seethe threads when it does well
>>741866531That you autistic people have to get in your head is that other people exist. Other interests exist. People like a game you absolutely despise, and there's more of them than you, so naturally a company is going to steer in that direction. You still have every other game you play before that you can play again. A company is not going to steer against the wind because some random guy that lives with his uncle said so.
>>741866531delusional toxotranny moment
>>741880113I won't make any because I'm not like the mentally ill Elden Ring seethe thread poster who posts multiple times a day. The most you'll see from me is posts reminding you that I'll never buy the game because I'll never be a tendie in the first place.
>>741880256you realize that playing a switch doesn't make you a tendie, right? Tendies are people that ONLY game on nintendo and ignore or shit talk everything else.Well, either way, there will be seethe threads. I guess I'll see you there.
>>741880390Elden Ring seetheposter is in all likelihood a tendie, let's be real.
>>741876176Oh come on that area after pinwheel where you need to get to Nito fucking sucks
>>741880468yeah that's true lol
>>741879520It's more like one day it lays a golden egg, the next day it lays an emerald egg, the next day it lays a ruby egg, and if you ask for a golden egg again because you want some more gold it shits on your feet.
>>741877587Don't really think Bandai would go tits up if From asked them for their rights back. They are aware From is a golden goose so keeping them on their good side is a profit opportunity for both.
>>741868205No, ER was successful enough. What isn't successful enough is shit like Nightreign and likely Duskbloods won't be either. The shareholders probably want another ER.
>>741881128If you wanted them to recycle ER again after that disaster then shit on your feet is what you deserve
>>741862714The People(tm) want DEMON SOVLS 2
>>741881814>IT KEEPS LAYING GOLDEN EGGS except elden ring
>>741881717I forgot nightrein was under the same umbrella but that game also took like three months to make
>>741877976Normies aren't people
>>741863219>ends the stories on a good noteThe stories never even get started anon. Fromsoft writing is dogshit and no amount of simpering australian theater faggotry can salvage something that isn't there. And that's totally ok, because it clearly doesn't hinder them from making a good game. If fromsoft was forced to make a narrative driven game it would be dogshit. Face it, Sekiro is not much of a story and that's the closest thing. AC was just disembodied anime tropes in your ear. Bloodborne was the perfect match for Fromsoft's "story" telling capability because the lack of substance and contradictions innately fit the setting.
>>741871442Fucking slamshit statue cats are my most hated enemy
What I especially think is retarded is that these "idea guys" will swear to you they could improve the game, just like all the other souls likes thought they could. Yet none of you have produced something that is better than Fromsoft. You haven't produced anything. Even if you did, there's no direct indication that it would sell better. Having an idea isn't enough. You also have to integrate it with gameplay and create an interesting world people want to invest in. If you just autistically min max stats and bare gameplay, you have created nothing but a tech demo. Unfortunately there's too many autistic people that can't understand how the industry they are obsessed with works. Assuming they have a job at all. I like the formula Fromsoft uses. It's a fun thing to play in between work and school, I don't spend my whole day grinding and obsessively minmaxing builds like some nonlifer.
>>7418634281 and 2? Literally yes
>>741882860>Sekiro is not much of a storyfiltered
>>741882346Yeah but ER is from 2022 and it's 2026. They haven't released and haven't even announced another "mainline" game in 4 years, Nightreign was just some asset recycling shit and didn't even come close to base ER numbers.
>>741867265>>741867694dark souls 1 initially sold like 5 million copies. The dark souls franchise has now sold 40+ million. with remakes and elden ring that reaches 100+ million copies. They have made most of their money by building up cultural relevance in a game genre and building off of that. Elden Ring is their first case of breaking into the mainstream with an IP. you would have to be stupid to think that they wouldnt be making money hand over fist by making more entries into that IP.
>>741886697You have to understand these are autistic grognars that actually hold a business back. They obsessively want to chase the dragon of the first time playing a dark souls game, and they will destroy the company attempting to cage something that has moved on.
>>741862714I would prefer from to keep its creative freedom. if this means we never get sekiro 2 or bloodborne PC then so be it. the moment they decide to sideline miyazaki things will go horribly wrong, and they will never ever make a good game again. it happened to square as well when sakaguchi was forced to leave (the movie was a fuckup, but he deserved a second chance).
>>741875624Demon's souls literally has no bad levels
How disappointed will you be when Elden Ling 2 is all wuxia fantasy chinese slop because of who controls From then?
>>741886697There it is, it's all about money with you people. Fromsoft is being picked apart
>>741888734Why has there been no Dynasty Warriors type musou about massacring commies and taking back China from the CCP?
>>741888393t. Me if I was a mongoloid >Old Hero is objectively the best gimmick boss with the best ost (OG), but ruined with the backtracking>Allant runback is fucking awful worse than bed of chaos>Mines is fucking awful, there's literally a small corridor that mind as well say "fuck you if you don't have a dagger" >Defilement is the biggest pile of manure >Prison level till the end is the definition of fucking bloat and not fun>Inventory shit was so ass that my stuff was full, thank fuck DS1 fixed it>Having to worry about durability, another fixed>Uhhh nerfed HP genuinely awful and they brought it back for shit souls 2 but worseI could go on to why this game is mid but sometimes I think DS2 and DeS fanbase are actually insufferable
>>741866531I've been playing since Demon's Souls on the PS3 and I love Elden Ring, it's the only game I've ever bothered to get the platinum for.
>>741889296All those points you listed are things I like about the game lol. And many changes to things like inventory management, healing, durability, checkpoints and the like have made future games more dull to me. Whatever this series is done for anyway, it had a good run
>>741889575>Whatever this series is done for anyway, it had a good runI mean thank fuck because we got better games vastly superior to DeS with the exception of DS2 and that ER dlc.
>>741862714Didn't we establish yesterday this was just Jewish nonsense
>>741862714If they "gave the people what they wanted" we wouldn't have ever gotten Bloodborne, we'd just have Dark Souls 4If they "gave the people what they wanted" we wouldn't have ever gotten Sekiro, we'd just have Dark Souls 5If they "gave the people what they wanted" we wouldn't have ever gotten Elden Ring, we'd just have Dark Souls 6If they "gave the people what they wanted" we wouldn't have ever gotten Duskbloods, we'd just have Dark Souls 7People don't know what they want, cause all the things they end up liking are new and original ideas, and when they're given what they want, it's just progressively more stale rehashes of what they had before.
>>741886697>Elden Ring is their first case of breaking into the mainstream with an IP.That was Dark SoulsThen it was BloodborneThen it was Sekiro
>>741862714Whenever I start up a new game I must always think of the shareholders, and their importance in relation to my current gaming experience. Step aside fun, story telling, or gameplay. There's bigger concerns us gamers have.
>>741862714What’s with the multiplayer slop? Just get GRRM again and make Elden Ring 2: Mimic Tears’s Bizarre Adventure. It’s a fucking layup. Only problem with the DLC is that it was all high level content.
>>741890726Wow we probably missed out on some amazing new IPs thanks to Bloodborne and Elden Ring's DLCs.And you know what? I don't give a shit, because I enjoyed those.
>>741891407DLC in an RPG that is not high level content is always forgettable garbage. Sorry.
>>741877587kys larping kike
>>741863027Depends if you like to explore tightly designed levels with secrets and shortcuts or an open world slop field with copy paste caves. I'll take the former, the best parts of ER were the "legacy dungeons".The previous Souls games are all 100% "legacy dungeons" with no need for empty fields in between areas.
>>741862714>Why won't Fromsoft give the people what they want?More broadly, Gamers as a demographics are the most opressed form of customers out of any market. We've taken so much fucking bullshit from the industry and we've been so lax for so long that the Industry still thinks this consumer uprising that Gamers have been committed to for the past 5+ years is nothing more than a market abberation that will come to pass rather than a full on movement and active boycotting campaign. This campaign isn't just againt publishers and developpers, its also VERY much against the access J'urinalists that continuously attempt to bludgeon us into buying awful wokeslop games like Concord and Dustborn.The Gaming Market will continue to shrink until morale improves.Developpers and Publishers will continue to close until morale improves.Quarterly revenues will continue to shrink until morale improves.The Culture War will continue until IT. IS. DONE.RIP. AND. TEAR.RIP. AND. TEAR.RIP. AND. TEAR.RIP. AND. TEAR.RIP. AND. TEAR.RIP. AND. TEAR.
>>741877834>my dark souls lore is VERY serious business guisegrow up nerd
>>741892558>movements and campaignsaverage consumer is too dumb for it to work, you need improvized drones and explosives if you want to have an impactbut of course as a law abiding citizen i cannot recommend you that, as it would be highly illegal
>>741862714Nightreign is not shitty. Stop being meaninglessly mean.
>>741894698Nightreign did more damage to the community then the fucking "Get Guud" memes. I remember the fromsoft community talking constantly, even about old games, and Nightreign just shot them all square in the head. The general is a fucking cesspit of ERP and cliques, the DS general got killed off, and even the modders seem to have given up on porting NR content into Elden Ring. Fromsoft sold their community out for a soulless roguelite.
>>741877587bed bug kike
>>741892817By average you mean Sportsball game players? yeah. agreed.But most Core and Hardcore gamers are quite keen on the matter.The majority of Core and Hardcore gamers aren't the demographic that typically play sportsball vidya and games like Candy Crush. we're not takin about these Softcore/Casual Gamers. Those guys are airhead normies.If you talked to any gamer that puts 12+ hours a week into their games, you'd know they're VERY aware of the state of the games industry. I'm now of the believe you're a shillposter that's here and payed to disparage the discussion. Shillposters are a known quantity on 4chan and its been a well documented thing, now shoo, payed shill, take your money and run. you're outted as what you are.
>>741892817>you need improvized drones and explosives if you want to have an impact>but of course as a law abiding citizen i cannot recommend you that, as it would be highly illegalDoubleposting but I skipped that part.What the fuck? Hasan Piker is this you?Are you Hasan Piker?Get out of here Hasan, go back to getting mogged by Asmongold and malding at your viewership for being shitlibs
>>741862965Woha there, Stalin. (BASED BASED BASED)
