>Half the studio will be gone after the failure of Destiny 2>The remaining staff will work in supporting the successful extraction shooter known as Marathon
>>741865264this is one instance where leaving Microsoft actually hurt them
>>741865264>Moved to try and save Failathon
>>741865445They wouldn't even exist nowadays if they were still at Microslop
>>741865264>the successful extraction shooter
GO WOKESLOP GO FLOP
>>741865264>[AMAZING News]
>>741865264>supporting the successful extraction shooter known as Marathon>Marathon>successful
>741865264>successful extraction shooterBait used to be believable(you) farming thread btw
You can thanks me later. I ain't done yet.
>>741865264This really just comes off as insulting once you come to appreciate that higher up suits really just don’t see their employees as human.
>snoy got a console price hike for this AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Who really thought this was a good idea?
>>741865264You were warned where this was going.
>>741865264https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HJM9WXVuH4
>>741865264But they said Marathon was a success...
>>741865810me but ironically
>>741865264TOTAL WESTERN STUDIOS DEATH!
>>741865264d2 is still gonna have more players than marathon
>>741865264I have been mad about Reach for over 15 years. This is cathartic.
YOU DID THIS! YOU FUCKING KILLED MY FAVORITE GAME
https://sonyinteractive.com/en/news/blog/an-update-from-playstation-studios-2/
>>741865264Good start to my day. Maybe I'll earn 1 more follower on my stream today. I'm feeling lucky
Where can you find a list of credits or what was written by who? One of my favorite authors did some writing for Destiny but I don't know anything more. Or even which Destiny it was.
>>741865963But I did nothing?
>>741865874>>741865810It was a great idea, awful executionCurrently for the console market you only have about 3 options for extraction shootersArc raiders (pretty casual and pve focused)Delta force (chinkslop full of hackers)And Hunt Showdown (pretty good but does not scratch the tarkov itch)All they had to do was make a tarkov clone that didn't look like garbage
>the whole destiny 2 team is gone https://sonyinteractive.com/en/news/blog/an-update-from-playstation-studios-2/
>>741866021Oh they are also letting go part of the Marathon staff so they are cutting more than half the studio I guess.
>>741865882>how it started>>741865264>how it's going
>>741866110I'm just shocked Sony is finally doing something. They've been burning money on projects that BOMBED for years.
>>741865264
>>7418661102 more weeks until Bungie is fully gone, neat.
>>741866038I found an interview lol love how fucking blutn and punctual Reed is.https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/game_writers_interview/
Trend chasing will be the death of all AAA studios. They gamble +3 years in the future and hopeing the trend is still hot
>>741865810it fell below 3k today lmao
>>741866159Also people that moved from Bungie to SIE. They're gone, too. They're really cleaning house.
>>741865963You have shit taste and deserve to suffer.You should be robbed every time you buy an always-online game. It's a universal justice. Don't worry I am going to legally force you to stop buying trash like this someday.
blast status?
>>741866282blunt*
>>741866284No they gamble 10 years into the future at this point. Games take a pathetically long amount of time to make now. It's unsustainable for any studio.
>>741865264Based, Marathon was such a huge success that most of the devs were able to retire with all the money they madeBungie can't stop winning
>>741866306Why not just shutter the whole studio at this point?
Marashills… I lost my job too… I won’t be able to keep supporting you in shilling the game
>>741865264bungie lost to nortubel
>>741866284well it's gonna work for GTA VI which trend chased 80's rise in popularity during late 2010.
3.6 BILLION well spent, eh Sony?
>>741865264People forget Bungie employed AT LEAST 800 people, if not over 1000. With Destiny 2 going into maintenance this shit was inevitable.
I only play chinese games
snoytrannies deserve to eat shit
>>741866021>Marathon remains an important part of our portfoliolol, lmao
>>741866446I chose to believe some dipshit executive genuinely thought they were buying Halo.
>>741866284They key to trend chasing is being successful at it.
>>741866284Trend chasing works. Problem is you can't be years late to the trend, and modern development cycle just doesn't allow agile development if you have a serious budget. Only indies can really chase trends.
>>741866217>On January 28, 2025, it was announced that Hiroki Totoki would be promoted to CEO of Sony Group Corporation and Hideaki Nishino would be promoted to president and CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment, with Hulst remaining the CEO of Studio Business Group and will report to NishinoJust need to kick Hulst out next
>>741866398Sunk cost of them thinking marathon still can be salvaged, when that dies its over
>>741865264>supporting the successful extraction shooter known as Marathonhahahaha, the cope is off the charts
>>741865264latin/MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+/bros... we need to support bungie!
>>741865264>while we reorganizeYup, it's over
>>741866630
>>741865264they are doing absolutely everything possible to avoid mentioning marathon lmao
>the entire company's future now hinges on MarathonThis is the funniest shit ever
>>741866312The only games I play nowadays are always online games so fuck off with your AAA slop. I couldn't give a shit about them.
>>741866720is that jean reno
>>741865534>>741865662>>741865707>>741866302>>741866502>>741866620Cope faggots, there’s not a single mention of Marathon in either Bungie announcement or Hulst memo, it’s all because Destiny shat the bed
>>741866771play onimusha 1-3 RIGHT NOW
>>741866782>maratroon did so well that they laid 50% of the studio offkekekekeke
>>741866782eat shit faggot.
>>741866782yeah i am sure is because Destiny 2 shit the bed, not because the cost of Marathon 200 + million and it barely sold 1.5 mil.
>>741865264>the failure of Destiny>they just killed it for no reasonalso why do they have to announce layoffs
Could turning Destiny 2 into a dating sim have saved Bungie?
>>741866932investors.
>>741866840hmm no, but I googled it, it's funny that some japanese ninja game had jean reno as a protagonist
>>741866782maratroons in shambles
>>741866463That's just the thing however. For one, why the fuck does Marathon even need as much staff as it has working on it for what consumers are getting out of it? But also, a reduction of workforce while "incubating" another project shouldn't even BE necessary because the "next project" after Destiny 2 goes into maintenance mode should already be obvious and should have already been IN production long before the decision to put Destiny 2 into maintenance mode was even made. The argument isn't "why is Destiny 2 shutting down live support?" it's "why has there been zero projects already in the works to replace Destiny 2?" This is literally nothing more than a more bearish Sony burned by too many live service failures to have the guts to greenlight one of the only live service ideas in their portfolio that would 100% actually succeed and Herman Hulst moving mountains and earth to try to prop up Marathon as a success to avoid career destruction as one of the top guys remaining who let another Concord happen. This is not a rational business decision, this is the results of a very selfish man at the very top of the food chain doing everything he can to protect his job at the expense of the studios managed under his watch, their employees, and Sony's customers.
>>741865445And Activision
So with everyone getting shitcanned, it's pretty much confirmed that they have absolutely nothing else in the works.
marathon was the game that kickstarted the company and its now the thing that will end them
>there is no sector of society whatsoever that isnt announcing massive layoffs and offshoring to indiaEven my fucking plumber was a first-gen jeet who didn't actually speak English.
>>741867128Playstation is dead after 25 failed live service games kek They really are banking on Intergalactic.
>>741865810This is Ziegler's fault, btw. Trio focus was a terrible, terrible idea.
>>741866782AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA YOUR SHILLING FAILED!
>>741865264Shareholders demand, companies do until they die and golden parachutes are deployed.
>>741865264Guys, terrible news...
>>741867237OOOH RAPE EM OOOH RAPE EM OOOOH
>>741867010yeah the third entry went with a wacky time travel route that I thought was dumb even as a kid, but the gameplay turned out fun so I didn't complain. Jean reno was a confusing choice
>>741867010He's lowkey popular in Japan
>>741867234modern economy is so fake and gay
>>741867108If anything is was having ties with Activision that turned the company into complete shit.Same happened with Crytek and EA
Don't know why you guys are celebrating the destruction of gaming but I realised you guys don't play video games and just jerk off to softcore porn of pixels
they needed more blast havers
>>741867346>If anything is was having ties with Activision that turned the company into complete shit.That's factually wrong, the game was great under activision.
>>741867326>modernThis literal kyubey been there all along for a long, long time.Since we had the retarded ford vs dodge shit, everything is fucked.
>>741865264lol lmao western gamedevs are so fucked
>>741867374gamers won resetera lost
>>741866630community notes is the best thing musk did.
>>741866932It's a better look for them to announce themselves than for people to find out from social media posts from the employees. Let's them control the narrative.
anyone with half a brain could have told them that marathon would flop but they chose not to listen
>>741867374Gaming was taken over by weirdos that decided to make games that were not for gamers so we all celebrate them losing their jobs in hopes that this means gaming will be for gamers again in the future.
>>741866630>hello, i'm a latine, and i speak hispanic
>>741867374It's just western gaming studios who deserve what's happening to them. Good luck with Intergalactic and GoW Laundry.
>>741865264>there is a nonzero chance that a flopathon shill you saw post damage control here has been fired
>>741867374its funny when its game studios i don't care about!
I'M BLASTING SO HARD OVER HERE BLASTING ROPES SO THICK MARATROONS CAN USE IT TO ACK THEMSELVES
>>741867574The only way to have saved it was delay it ANOTHER year and add a full single player story campaign.But no way was sony going to do that when they wanted results or downsizing asap for bungie
>>741866445its just vice city 2.0 the fuck are you talking about
>>741867216You know this dude never actually swallows food on camera? Whenever it looks like hes about to they do a cut.
>>741866021>marathon flopped so hard that even SIE employees are getting laid off oof
>>741866630>hispanicGENDER ASSUMPTION KILL THAT RACIST SUPREMACIST
>>741867374All western AAA studios deserve to die, but especially Bungie.
Remember when they were flexing how they all still got their OG Halo devs a few months ago?
>>741867325fr no cap
>>741867237Oh someone is fucking livid if they're even going after Sony employees that were probably Bungie. Hulst is a dead man walking at this point.
>>741867326oh it's going to get worse. Boomers have the most money and are the most investors and have no interest in their money outliving them. You are going to see so many implosions very soon we are talking less than 5 years. Pizza Hut is basically an example of them wanting to cash out. There is a white castle by me that has been there for like 80 years has always been doing well that boomers just cashed out and sold so foreigners can build condos over
>>741867237>according to people familiar with the situation.this is what the news uses when they make up something outrageous about trump.
>>741867709It's probably original Bungie staff who moved to Sony when they got bought.I guess nobody escapes Bungie's shadow.
>>741867421You know your company is abject dogshit when Activision of all companies has to play tardwrangler on your greed.
>>741867374Most people here actually play games, good games, but talking about good games is boring, it's like content for 2-3 threads, unless there's porn being made.You can see that only good games like mina the hollower, klonoa, palworld and such have threads because well, you can share the porn.Good games that don't have this kind of appeal just are not worth being discussed, as the fourth thread would devolve into shit like "GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! WOO!GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD!GOOD! WOO! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOOD! GOOD! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! WOO!triformatioN! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD TO THE GROUND! GOOD! GOOD!"Now mocking bad games and bad decisions, that's fuel for 999 threads.
>>741867104Businesses and people aren't always rational, although Hulst trying to save his own ass is a very human thing to do.
>>741865264Anything but blaming Marathon kek
>>741867741Who the fuck is even renting all the fucking condos! How is this viable at all!
>>741865264>successful extraction shooter known as MarathonProofs?
>>741865810Shut up chuds, now that half of bungie is gone, marathon doesn't need to make much money to cover the bill.
>>74186773250% of the people he listed were actively only supporting and working on Destiny, including the fucking Game Director. These maratroons are fucking insane, no the <makes of halo> who are at bungie actively working on Destiny were not responsible for your dogshit extraction shooter, calling out their names is such bad faith jesus
>>741866068The game looks great though
>>741867374>the destruction of gaming Puh-lease.
>>741867876They will keep supporting it and they were the only ones that weren’t firedWhy would they do that if the game isn’t successful?
>>741865873It is, Destiny got shut down because it wasn't
>>741867876It's successful at making the shareholders happy, it has all the buzzwords they like, so it made the stock go up.If the company made a contract to become a magical girl, it is effectively a shareholder mining company, that create "good news" that make stock go up, even if the real company is absolutely fucked and 3 minutes from death.
>>741867903Oh cool, it already recouped the $250,000,000 budget?
>>741867789After Sony realized just what a shitshow Bungie was, they probably wanted to get rid of anyone that came up that rotten pipeline.
Is bungie gonna survive 2026? I genuinely feel like they may be donezo
>>741867868>rentingThis is in NYC and it is not renting it is buying and these are all luxury condos close to a million. They probably exist for rich foreigners and the Chinese to put their money
Now that Destiny isn't dragging Bungie down anymore,Marathon can finally be successful!
>>741867968>Why would they do that if the game isn’t successful?Stock price go up
why didnt blast having goyslop enjoyers play bungie's game?
>>741867421Content under Activision was good thanks to access to Activision resources but the contract under Activision was unsustainable and it lead to the cursed foundations Destiny 2 was built upon that unraveled to the position we're in today. D2 struggled because the yearly expac model was simply impossible to sustain, and the fact that D2 was made under the contractual obligation that it would eventually be replaced by a Destiny 3 created the conditions that turned into the technical debt that burdened the game when Bungie bought themselves out of the contract and decided to keep Destiny 2 going instead of making Destiny 3.If Activision had a better understanding of exactly the type of game Bungie was actually making (Bobby thought he was getting something he could shit out every couple years like CoD) and had Destiny 2 built from the ground up properly as a forever game to be supported indefinitely with updates it would have been a perfect match but the wires were forever crossed when Activision failed to realized they made a bet on a first-person PSO clone and not a space fantasy COD franchise.
>>741867374>studio goes full retard in several ways including what can be described as corporate corruption>this is your fault!
>>741866575probably around the end of this year
>>741867938Fidelity wise yesArtstyle wise i hate it
>>741867790activision was actually forcing them to work on the game and they hated that
>>741867732How many of those lost their jobs now
those who remain will be sent to marathon mines
>>741865519They wouldn’t exist today if it wasn’t for Microsoft. They were originally developing halo for the Mac for christs sake.
>>741865264I will never forget Bungie throwing their hissy fit to leave Microsoft and claiming they were doing it because they wanted creative freedom over their projects and to not just make Halo for the rest of their careers. They then immediately signed with Activision to make nothing but destiny for the next 10 years. They died to me then and I've felt nothing watching them slowly crumble over the last few years.
>>741868125Gawr Gura Syndrome, got it.
A rehash and a sequel after they sold their only good original IP. Bungie will always be Bungie but they need to do more than shooters.
>>741867237>kill the Destiny team, the only part of your company making money>barely touch the Marathon team, the ones who made a megaflop that killed your businessWhat is this strategy called?
>>741868006Sony will report their most successful year ever with the release of GTAVI, they don’t care about that spare change spent on Marathon, this is just a passion project
>>741867374
>>741867789Lmao, you just know they want to shutter the entire company after wasting 4 billion dollars but it would look worse on them than anything else.
>>741867903>make much money>make moneyThey’ve already spent so much on it they’re not going to make a dime
>>741868180lmao you people are still seething about gura huh
>>741867374There are trillions of great games to play, I don't need any more of them. Hope those subhuman faggot devs starve to death in a scorching hot californian pavement, thats what they get for getting into an industry just to destroy it.
OH NO NO NO
>>741866068Love Hunt Showdown, it's really well designed. But it's not for everyone
>>741868180Then they will marry a swedish man and give birth to three children?
>>741868208I didn’t know Sony is the publisher for GTA now….
>>741865810>88k all time peaklmao
>>741868327The implication is that they'll make tons of money off of third-party residuals from GTA6. You dumbfuck.
>>741868291TOTAL SNOY DEATH
>>741868327sony lost their minds over losing CoD, third parties have consistently carried their platform all the way back to the PS1
Modern studios really work 10 years on a single game chasing a long dead trend and then have not anything planned after.Literally begging for layoffs.
>>74186832780% of the people playing GTA6 will be on Playstation. And the vast majority of money made from GTA online will be from Playstation. Sony will make shitton of money in the next couple of years.
>>741867659lmao marathon flopped because everyone is too casual now
I think Sony's gaming division may actually be in trouble if Hag of War and Naughty Dog's bald chick game don't sell gangbusters
Let's be honest here, marathon has until maybe the end of 2026. Bungie in its entirety is getting liquidated
>>741868327The vast majority of PS5 owners just play Fortnite, COD, FIFA and GTA
>>741866021I really want to know what Bungie is showing and telling Sony about the future of Marathon that has them continuing to support it because based on the free week even if they went f2p this game would still be dying
All they had to do was admit Marathon was a flop and unkill Destiny.
>>741865264>no more "this week in destiny" spam in my feedGOOD STAY DEAD
>>741868206Its the "Oh fuck I'm co-CEO of Playstation Studios and I was already responsible for Concord shit-fuck I can't let another game under my watch crash and burn like that again or I'm FINISHED" strategy, courtesy of Hermen Hulst personally.If shareholders had any semblance of understanding of exactly the business they invested in they should be getting in touch with their lawyers to see what grounds they have to sue for PlayStation leadership failing to uphold their contractually obligated promise of increasing shareholder value because there is no other way to look at this as anything but company endorsed self-sabotage.
Why Sony can't accept that Marathon is a failure? they had no problem eliminating Concord, even refunding everyone.
>>741865264>Bungie is a key purchase in our future proje-ACK
>>741868541i'm pretty sure they delayed s3it's gonna be lucky if they get s4
>>741868431>>741868490>inb4 GTA6 bombs this time
What's the new goalpost, Maratrannies? I know you're cooking up some new cope. Please tell us how Marathon is a continued massive success!
>>741868208>>741868431>>741868490Sony is dying and nothing will change that. They've had to lie about PS5 sales to keep it up but we all see the truth about their numbers
>>741868708It cost more than concord to buy bungie and develop that shit
>>741866110Herrmen just wants more people to work on his beloved SONY FLAGSHIP SERIES HORIZON!He's a blind idiot leading the company into ruin.
>>741867667that's the whole point retard, they could've moved to a new location but went back to Vice City to cash on the popularity of 80's aesthetics.
>>741865810The game's core mechanics are pretty good, it would probably be doing well if they actually made an extraction shooter instead of some awful combination of apex legends and a destiny 2 raid
>>741868708Concord allegedly sold 25,000 copies. The only option was to shut it down as quickly as possible to stop bleeding money on server costs.
>>741868431Do you not realize retard that if Marathon hemorrhages even more players to GTA that the "passion project" meme won't mean shit to the top when a AAA live service game has 500 people playing it
>>741866928>According to Paul Tassiworthless
>>741865264How long before Jason Jones goes full tranny?
>>741868482That's something studios need to learn pronto: if the thing you want to capitalize on is already popular (or has a ton of prerelease hype and is going to come out soon), YOU WILL BE TOO LATE, ESPECIALLY WITH MODERN DEVTIMES. This goes double for multiplayer game trends.>>741868708Concord is exactly a big reason they don't want to admit defeat so quickly. Concord was literally a historical level embarrassment, not just in gaming but in all of entertainment. Plus the financial stakes for Marathon and Bungie are FAR higher than they were for Concord and Fire(d)walk.
>>741868529Sony’s in house studios haven’t been profitable for years. Their financials are held up by the massive amount of microtransactions from live service and gacha games. There is a reason Playstation has been aggressively getting all the big gacha game releases onto their platform.
>>741866630My heart goes out to all my Latinaeox brothers out there
>>741868860They just swap between the locals they know, its not that deep retard , nothing about the game resembles the stranger things nostalgia baiting
>>741868005>it made the stock go upHow?DEI investement money by being a tranny game, with stolen assets by a tranny, made for trannies?
>pushes live-service,makes the deal for Concord, it fails>says Marathon won't make the same mistake, it does and it kills Destiny with Marathon on life-supportHow is he not ousted out yet? Is it really gonna take Horizon: Hunters Gathering flopping
>>741869056I’m pretty sure GTA 5 went back to the west coast because it was the cultural hot spot around that time
>>741868636Maybe if Destiny didn't lose so much money they would have
>>741866483>I only play chinese gamesthis
>>741865264If I were in charge of Bungie right now, I would take all the assets used for Marathon and make a single player Marathon game in the vein of Halo campaigns they made. I don't see how they'll survive without putting out something that isn't niche or takes the resources of GaaS
This all could have been avoided, but big western studios would rather appease feminists and shareholders instead of their core demographic. Japan better get their head out of their ass and go full scorched earth on their DEI and progressive consultants before they march themselves into the same fate.
Reminder none of this would be happening if Bungie execs didn't scam the fuck out of Sony with the $3.6b acquisition
>>741865264It's so funny how companies always announce layoffs like a fucking natural disaster came in and destroyed everything, as if it was out of their hands.Brother, YOU made the dogshit ugly game that no one wanted.
>>741865264Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.
>>741865264What am I missing? Destiny 2 STILL has more than 10x the playercount of Marathon, despite everyone know D2 has no future. Why back the obviously failed game?
it can't cost that much money to keep developing destiny manwhen D1 launched all people were doing the entire day was farming the loot cave
>"Destiny fell short of expectations">Game got drained of money, resources and manpower to create that piece of mediocre shit called marathon>Siphoned resources into two shitty incubation projects that never went anywhere>Game kept pulling the same numbers even though staff was cut by half several years agoThey put all that pressure into one game and blamed it when it couldn't sustain their greedinessAnd it's not like they kept the same grand-scale updates and expansions when this happened. We had a whole year of episodes + ass and irony, which should have cost NOTHING to develop since it was all reused shit
>>741867374I will never understand faggots like yourself. The game industry has been serving shit for over a decade now and yet you still defend it and hope it succeeds.We had a video game crash once that course corrected things, and it can happen again. Luddites like you unironically hold us back. Seek Canadian health care.
>>741869093Simple, the stock is defined by a bunch of out of touch boomers that only know buzzwords. you use buzzwords, you control the media, you point your marketing department at these boomers, and stock go up.You can do that even if you don't have a product, but having one that appear on the media and such helps.
>>741869306Destiny 2 literally never made money back, Marathon is 50 times cheaper than Destiny 2
>>741869270Bungie would have actually been forced into a life or death scenario and they could have shit out something decent in that situation
>>741869270Apparently they needed to do that to save themselves from insolvency, and that means they needed Marathon to be as big as Destiny
>>741867374I'm celebrating the crash of western gaming, that's different
>>741869312He's trolling stupid people. youThis post is in every single layoff thread.
>>741867374>destruction of gamingof american* gaming
>>741869184LA has been the cultural hotspot for like 60+ years, the fuck are you talking about
>>741869386>Destiny 2 literally never made money back>Source: I saw it in a dream
>>741866021>[...] and we will continue to support the team [...] as they work on incubation efforts for future projects.Didn't Sony previously cancel every single incubation project that wasn't Marathon?
>>741869306This is true. They keep laying blame on Destiny 2 when anyone can see that the issue was them redirecting Destiny 2 staff to multiple other projects that never happened and wasting a bunch of money on those rather than actually develop Destiny. Marathon should have been an extremely small scale project that 50-100 devs worked on and cost like $50 million max. The game only has three fucking maps after 5 years of development?
>>741869386They’re about the same, Bungie is comically expensive as a studio rather than a single project being way more expensive than the other. The only can reduce operating costs by becoming a smaller studioDestiny was made by only like 400 employees anyways, this is a studio that’s just too expensive for its own good
>>741865264I like how everyone just blames Bungie management and their nebulously bad decisions.Nobody ever mentions the biggest factor, that they've got almost 2,000 fucking staff. They're as bloated as Ubisoft with admin, HR, middle management, and 500 different types of useless non-jobs.Twitter reduced staff by 80% and nobody noticed. Bungie could have easily gotten rid of 40% without any impact, but they kept getting more and more bloated until the sheer costs of running their business meant they couldn't afford to make their best selling games anymore.
>>741866021>MOST of the destiny team>SOME marathon team membersIs he retarded? Marathon has no legs, they should lay off 1/4 of the marathon team, have the other half make some Destiny content to keep the player base they still have, and have the destiny team make something new.Instead he's shutting the franchise that still works and puts all eggs into a rotting basket.
>>741869295>Why back the obviously failed game?they have spent 2 years telling stockholders Marathon will generate money so now they need to deliver them the message that it is a complete failure bit by bit broken up over several months. If you tell them right away they will get very mad.Destiny is very old so there was never any chance that it reaches new heights of money generation, so sony never promised stockholders that it would.Yes, the stock market really is that retarded.
>>741869201Marathon's already lost more
>>741869430There are people that unironically believe that though.They think continuing to support these studios that hate them will somehow improve things.
Based, I want all western devs to be laid off.
>>741869386Destiny 2 was profitable when it released and the first couple years. The problem is the game went into maintenance mode and yet still had fucking hundreds of employees working on god knows what.
>>741868430>the golden age of gaming was when the majority of gamers were whitehmm
So? Whats the plan? Like the west blew so many studios, so many talented devs, and yes we all know at least 50% of them were adult daycare tier workers but a lot of them were legit incredible designers. Hate it as much as you want but destiny did have great gameplay, great visuals and music, the game had nothing like it. Snoy tried going into GaaS for the entire generation, they blew billions, and now? Even if they made a good live game would you trust them? Meanwhile asian devs have their best selling years and the west is handling them the industry on a gold plated platter, fire all the devs and give all the execs parachutes made out of hundreds of millions.
Press S to Spit
>>741869161They're going to keep him at Sony until all his projects flop, so that he'll be the one that has to do all the downsizing and closures.
>>741869386>Marathon is 50 times cheaper than Destiny 2Damn that's crazy, Marathons budget was less than $10 million? How come it flopped hard and they're already laying off marathon staff?
>>741869696>fire all the devs and give all the execs parachutes made out of hundreds of millions.Did you have to add this reddit shit to your post? You're smart enough to know that you have absolutely no idea how stuff like that works or what a CEO even is.
>>741867156>mfw my company already jeetified before being sold to private equity 2 years ago but SOMEHOW my straight white male ass managed to dodge three layoffsfeels extremely cozy now. Our blackrock overlords want some semblance of order so they keep us as jeet wranglers, but they're so hands-off that they don't really give a shit as long as we do the bare minimum.
>>741869534My favorite meme is to look at the credits of modern Ubisoft titles. They're often over an hour long of scrolling names. That type of bloat is unsustainable, but somehow the industry still hasn't fully caught on.
>>741869386Because Bungie is so bloated that they have 10 people doing the work of one position. If you attain Destiny's playerbase and still can't make it work, that's mismanagement on a cosmic scale.
>>741869161Clearly Sony corporate thinks his punishment must be more severe.
>>741869295Destiny 2 is 10 years old now, there's nothing they can feasibly do to make it a huge hit again. With Marathon, they could at least try the "it's still new, just give us one more chance and we'll turn everything around and make it a success" cope. They know it won't happen, we know it won't happen, Sony knows it won't happen. But it's either give them that chance or flush a $4b USD investment down the drain.
>They copy pasted the Concord closure announcementKEKAROOOOO
>marathon launches to a shitty reception>destiny's numbers continue to dwindle If you were still working there, you knew it was coming.
>>741869250Not appeasing your shareholders is literally illegal.
>>741869696so much for "forcing behaviors" kek, but any dev that submitted to larry fink's shit deserves a hanging, no mercy
>>741869161I'm no Jim Ryan fanboy, I swear to god, but it's incredibly fucked up how he basically tanked all the flak from Hulst's more proactive role in Playstation's sharp decline over the past decade while Hulst only got booted back down into the same role that let him orchestrate Playstation's modern disasters in the first fucking place. He has to be privy to some of that same Mossad blackmail that Neil Druckmann uses to always get his way.
>>741866218Bungie's entire staff, 2 seconds
>>741869934Truly Concord 3
>>741867868depending on your area, new housing development exists primarily as a way for wealthy chinese to squirrel money away overseas. Here in Seattle there was a massive influx of Chinese rea estate purchases from 2021-2023 before interest rates utterly shit the bed. Houses have sale histories like:>2019 sold: $850,000>2021 sold again: $1,300,000>2023 sold again again: $2,100,000 but no one lives in these fucking houses. They sit vacant with the lights on and the worst the city can do is think about imposing vacancy taxes on the properties. Vancouver BC has this problem much worse; whole neighborhoods of the city are empty houses with FOR SALE signs written in Chinese.
concord 3 has happened
>>741869934>empathetically original
>>741869934Is it really the same notice, just with a few words changed? That would be hilarious and a huge fuck you (to Bungie) if so.
>>741865264Okay, NOW we are fucking blasting
>>741865810That is a comforting graph right bungie
Is it even safe to be a gamedev anymore?
>>741869934>noooo they need to hire me as a studio closure copywriter ahhh I can't believe they're recycling a studio closure post real companies used to have passion and human ingenuity behind their studio closure announcements where did we all go so wrong????
>>741865264>HE MAAAN>HE MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
>>741869534Yes sir, if management needs 2,000 people to make generic DLC, then that's called bad managementThey laid off half the staff at one point, and it wasn't enoughThen they started siphoning money out of Destiny's revenue to develop god knows fucking what; further blaming the fact that Destiny "wasn't making enough money"Now they shut down the whole thing, but they keep a stillborn game alive?It's bad management
>>741869161why is this swedish negro so fucking obsessed with alloy vera and fucking horizon? nobody fucking likes that franchise omg go fuck yourself you fucking demon
>>741870203Asian devs are doing fine so far except for the ones who are on Tencent or Netease payroll.
>>741866782Destiny 2 last day playercount was double Marathon's peak, what the hell are you talking about?
>>741869386Holy shit retard, this isn't a matter of debate. You do not pay 3.6bil, even in the zero interest context the sale was made in, for a studio with 1 game, and 1 other game in production if that 1 game was not making money. You don't balloon your studio headcount to a peak of 1600 employees and spend 90 million on studio renovations if your ONE game was making 0 profit. You are as gullible as the retard ex-social media manager at Bungie who regurgitated this falsehood as fact as if it's not shitty boss 101 to lie to your employees about how much money you're making so they don't bother asking for raises while gloating about how much money actually you're making when looking for a buyer to grant you your exit package. I would think that you're probably enough of an idiot to believe your boss when they give you the same excuse but I honestly doubt you've ever had consistent employment to begin with.
Daily reminder that both Sony and Microsoft could have taken the literal billions they wasted on projects with no mainstream appeal, and given a few million here and there to small teams to make a new Parappa the Rapper, Banjo, Ape Escape, Conker, etc. etc. and easily made back their money.Actual retards.
>>741870203You dont get into gamedev for money because you will make more in other fields. If you truly have a passion for gamedev, make indie games.
>>741870429>You do not pay 3.6bil, even in the zero interest context the sale was made in, for a studio with 1 game, and 1 other game in production if that 1 game was not making money.I mean, Microsoft paid $68.7 billion for two studios with 1 profitable franchise. These companies all made retarded purchasing decisions in 2023. Cheap interest rates are a bitch.
>>741870468shit they could have even made a series like arcane for destiny and made bank.
>>741870203Only if you're successful.
>>741870096I was over in Bellevue (the expensive city just next to Seattle where you go if you are tired of Seattle and have money) for some dinner meetings with a client, and noticed that so many of the big apartment complexes (towers especially) had no lights on. Like they were 80% empty.Probably not a coincidence I saw Chinese everywhere, either.
>>741870468>Daily reminder that both Sony and Microsoft could have taken the literal billions they wasted on projects with no mainstream appealMonkey Paw curls... Those projects are now DEI
>>741865624No you don’t. There are tons of Indie games that you will never buy.
>>741870468Or they can make stuff like Tokyo Jungle that could become a sleeper hit.
>>741870131no it isn'tBut they used the same title, so they just added a 2 to the URL of the Bungie announcement
>>741868841According to the SIE announcement, they're going to be transitioning "some" affected Bungie employees to other Sony studios.So Hermen is absolutely moving the core D2 members to his pet project, the Horizon looter shooter (secret protect) (massive flop).
>>741869295bungie (jason jones) signed a 10 year deal with activision to make 4 destiny games with 4 expansions each before even having a working game engine, they ultimately delivered 2 games because he lost inspiration o algobungie then left activision and got acquired by sony by making lofty promises and undermined other gaases sony were working on because jason played an extraction shooter and got some more of those inspiration juices, destiny 2 was shut down when jason figured he didn't need it for bungies perceived value anymore having been bored of working on destiny since before the first game was even released
>>741870203No. Even being an indie is not safe because while you won't have to deal with a sudden layoff, your game actually getting big and doing well is a crapshoot.
They should try slapping some rainbow on their pfp, it might save them.
>>741870429ThisPeople really believe this "we are not making money" bullshit? This tactic is used all the time in construction or any of the infrastructure type of things, power grids were my experience with this.A powerplant was being worked on, we were told they had no money to pay us, the boss had a new place, a new car, renovations everything, a new boat, his son went to the world cup and took another week or two extra for the trip, they had massive bonuses, 10s of millions of bonuses.One of the bonuses could pay for all the workers for a year easily.Same shit happened when you look at places like EA or bungie, the execs get 100s of millions and one of those bonuses can fund the entire studio for a year.How does someone actually believe this shit while the studio heads buy car collections, new buildings and get 300+ mil payouts
>>741870468Microsoft wasting $100m-$200m on things like Senau and South is hilarious. Phil's plan utterly failed. They were better off bank rolling Scalebound.
>>741870648Bellevue is a soulless shithole. I used to work there (same building that Valve used occupy oddly enough) and I couldn't imagine living there. It's clean and comfortable during the day buy after 5 pm everything closes. All the charm of a duty free shop in an airport. No wonder the chinese love it.
>>741870468Small projects don't make line go up fast enough. Shareholders would rather you try and make line go up big and fail than settle on line not going up big.
>>741870468>and easily made back their money.lol no. Say what you will about the abject failure of Sony's GAAS push, but those games would've flopped just the same.
>>741870468They don't want money, they want stock price to go up to make shareholders happy.Public traded companies only cater for their real clients, the investors and shareholders. "vote with your wallet" don't matter because the investors have a much bigger wallet.And in US is even worse because the shareholders can sue the company for not doing what they want the company to do, even if it's fucking retarded.
>>741865264TEAM BUNGIE IS HAVING A BLAST AGAIN!!!Man I was sitting on that joke for half a year!
Pete did nothing wrong btw
>>741867374You wont do shit lil timmy
>>741870418lmao clueless
>>741865827He can't keep getting away with it.
>>741870691There are tons of indie games no one will buy. Those people are wasting their time and effort making them.
>>741870203was it ever?
>Destiny lost >Marathon lost >Bungie lost >Sony lost ...who won?
lol marathon flopped
>>741868708Last I heard, Concord "only" cost $50m to make.
>>741871067me
>>741871067Gamers
>>741869534They had like 5 incubation projects on the go after being a single game studio for their entire existence which is probably how it ended up this way. Destiny 2 had the unfortunate fate of being the company's cash cow that was meant to fund it all in perpetuity which is utterly absurd to consider reasonable.
>>741870203Only if you're good at marketing.Half of the effort is making the game, the other half is marketing it.
>>741867374We don't play the same games
>>741871067people that dont play always online trash
>>741870906>flopped the sameNo, they wouldn't. You invest little (a few million for a small team) and your loses are basically non existent next to a major flop like Marathon. And if it succeeds you're laughing all the way to the bank.Not to mention that even minor successes do a lot for branding and brand positivity, even if the majority of players don't buy it.
>>741871067Me, by doing absolutely nothing.
>>741871067whoever bought a PC
>>741871186fucking autistic nerd.
>>741871067You, the economic terrorist, won. But you didn't win completely, because you will soon be in prison for defying the economy. Enjoy.
>>741866895Uh ohhhh
>>741871067Microsoft for not buying Bungie, but they lost everything else.
>>741865264I live a simple, PC single-player life.
>>741870429Bungie had like over 10 games in the works they showed Sony before the buyout, Sony thought they were all gonna be hits like Destiny 2. After Sony signed the contract Bungie cancelled all the games and left only Marathon and the other cutesy moba game. Bungie scammed Sony.
>>741871067GAMERS won
>>741870906>Sims 4Like genuinely, who the fuck plays The Sims in current day?
>>741871407its the best WEG on the market
>>741871067>this is the consequences of your wish, bungie. thanks for all the stock value, but now it's time to cash out.
>>741871204>Not to mention that even minor successes do a lot for branding and brand positivity, even if the majority of players don't buy it.Oh, yea. That's why Nintendo is beloved. No, you retard. The games have to sell and sell A LOT. If they're not making tons of cash, they're fucking worthless. Even Nintendo's shittiest franchises still sold more than Astro Bot, a GOTY winning "smaller/shorter" Sony project.
>>741871407lots of people including my wife
>>741871481You say that but nothing Nintendo makes has a AAA budget or development time besides Smash Bros...and Metroid.
>>741867734he's wearing a cap in that picture though
>>741870253the fact that the goyim think they deserve respect or humanity is frankly laughable
>>741871546>casually rapes Marathon
>>741870906STARFIELD CHADS WIN AGAINSTARFIELD BEST SELLING GAME OF 2026STARFIELD GETTING MORE DLC AND EXPANSIONS FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS
>>741871481>me: they should make new games based on established franchises without the development bloat>you: b-but what about astrobot that doesn't satisfy either qualifierYou're retard.
>>741871471Porn is not even the reasonthe real reason is women >>741871546like actual women, and not troonswomen love this shit because it is basically like playing with barbie dolls. they love to micromanage every single aspect of people's lives. it is like crack to them
>>741871407Women gamers, the sims is basically a digital dollhouse and there hasnt been a sims replacement for ages despite some indie devs trying now.
>>741870906>fortnite top on all 4 platforms + dominates android >Epic still has to do layoffsGod, Epic has to be run by absolute retards to be financially insolvent with those kinds of numbers
>>741870906>went looking for the 2026 version>its literally the exact same thingat what point do we stop classifying multiplayer slop as games?
>>741871481Sony has conditioned its audience for years that big, realistic-looking, cinematic AAA games are the only way. Small games like Astrobot never had a chance in the current Playstation's space.
>>741871268Get in the trench
>>741871870keep in mind that's from 2023it has probably fallen off a bit by nowstill huge, but I think Roblox might've genuinely overtaken it
>>741871085>ConcordDon't you mean Marathon? Concord was confirmed to have cost AT LEAST 200 million.
>>741865264I actually hate this cause I enjoy Marathon. Cryo Archive triggers my neurons because you actually need to learn the map in order to engage into gunfights. Meanwhile also having to learn the other aspects of the maps such as vaults and locked rooms. It's arguably one of the best designed FPS maps in the past few years alongside Outpost. So, I am one of the few people glad that they are trying to keep the game alive but all of this was so avoidable, dude.
not celebrating until they reveal the actual numbers and how many of them are pink haired with pronouns
>>741867374Id rather collect squirrels in MGSV than play these fucking turds, your western slop is right where it belongs
>make 3.5 good games a decade ago>stop making good games>go bankrupt OK
>>741872042The whites and east asians were fired you retard.
>>741867374Hey, I still enjoy video games, kindaI'm not fully jadedBut I do want Total Bungie Rape
>>741871067Well we do know someone got a shiny car collection after the buyout and receiving their bonuses (How the fuck did Jason Jones let this happen)
>>741870691Literacy check
>>741871067>who wonClearly it was the handful of Bungie execs who scammed Sony then walked away with massive golden parachutes while everything began burning to the ground behind them.
>>741867108Say what you will about Activision, but everyone was fucking printing money. People weren't having daily talks about Bungie being dissolved every day underneath Kotick.
>>741871407Roasties
>>741867374I will absolutely celebrate the death of the western video game industry while I play my no-name indie games and Asian games.Not my problem.
>>741871957Roblox has more MAU than (documented) people living in America. 380M versus 350M.
>>741871750All of the TS4 porn mods are made by women too
>>741872187
Are we still being told Marathon was a huge success?
>>741868087The contract was only unsustainable because Bungie kept fucking up since before the first game released.
>>741872549Yeah, all the news are about firing Destiny team, you know, the raped and gaped oneWhile they will keep supporting Marathon who is making a comeback this season 3
>>741872549I think Sony noted on their last Financials that Bungie contributed to a multi hundred million dollar writedown. Bungie is essentially a tax break for them now.
>>741866502an? THE, it is their ENTIRE portfolio right meow
>>741865264>image of textdeserved
>>741865264Good fucking riddance. They spent twelve years squandering their potential on gay cringevengers goyslop. They had their chance to make a good game with a great story and they blew it. I'm glad it's ending.
Any Halo chads here who had to live through the disaster that was Halo Reach? Finally we can rest. Daily reminder that Bungie hasn't made a good game in 19 years.
>>741867237>oy vey the poor gentile was just trying to do good(online)>get the boot damn goyn your usefulness ended(real life)
>>741872653>who is making a comeback this season 3You said the same thing about season 2
lol. lmao even.
>>741873304looks like he didn't beware of overdelivery
>>741873304Bungie rape victim
Destiny died so Marathon could also die.
>>741872653They are laying off people working on Marathon, too >>741866021
>>741873614Probably some janitors or something, all devs are clearly talented and will remain there
i hope every single troon and die hire that just got laid off gets brutally raped by homeless rednecks
>>741873304>didn't even last a yearlol. lmao even.
>>741872606It was fuck-ups within the context of their contract but that contract was made in ignorance of what the project itself was supposed to be (a PSO clone) and without consideration of how the next generation of consoles were going to lead to longer dev times. (Remember, D1 was a PS3 and 360 game. Activision went into the contract thinking that the era where studios could pump out AAA games every 2 years was still possible.) Even Call of Duty, Activision's golden goose had to revise it's content pipeline and add a 3rd main studio to rotate yearly releases with because it became simply impossible for Treyarch and Infinity Ward to keep the pace up with consistent quality with just 2 years of dev time.This whole franchise was born under a cursed star, really, and I think that's a shame. It felt like nobody but the developers actually making the game really knew what they were doing but were destined to be placed under impossible conditions and constraints placed by leadership until the greatest retard of them all pulls the plug to save his dumb ass from getting fired.
>>741873304Thank fuck Fuck these clown disciples of their Activision days. Now fucking get rid of Jason Jones and I might buy a thief skin.
>>741873427Look out guys, I just found the most tranny gif ever.
>>741873730
>>741873304Honestly, who would want that job?
>>741865264do we know how many were fired?
It seems like after halo reach they just lost their fucking minds entirely
>>741872187>How the fuck did Jason Jones let this happenJason fired the old Bungie devs so he wouldn't have to pay them founder shares per their employment contracts which was the reason they were sued by Marty in the first place
>>741870271I'm not saying it isn't bad management. I'm saying we know exactly what kind of bad management it is, the exact same kind of useless HR bloat that always kills companies. But nobody says it, they just talk about "Oh how terrible."
>>741872326They also made the best content destiny ever got with the help of vicarious visions and other acti studios.
>>741865264All Bungie had to do was make Marathon like doom
>>741866696I spic and I would never consider working with these cunts. Only white crackers say latin x.
>>741868708As big as the drop off was for Marathon, you can still hold up the facade of success when your game has 10k daily concurrent players. Concord launched with less than 700. No publisher on earth can deny an objective failure like that
>>741873845The reports were throwing the percentage of 50% of their crew but I doubt it. I do expect it to be a lot of people however.
>>741873869>MartyI thought Marty wasn't a founder, I thought Alex Seropian was Bungie's founding audio guy
>>741865264Yeah well Destiny 2 was unsuccessful! I mean your post is alright but it kind of reminds me of Marathon hate a bit when all your saying is "shit that happened is happening" I mean it's retoricall to say something that has happened has happened or is happening. They lost people because Destiny 2 sucked? Well yeah Destiny 2 sucked. I am sure there is nothing to worry about.
>>741873304KWABOTY
>>741865264But Marathon is already dying? The future looks grim for Bungie
>>741865264$ 4 B I L L I O N4BILLION
>>741873304OH, WAIT. The only reason this guy got the job was so he would be in charge for firing half the studio LMAO.
Jason Jones is a virgin neet who is too scared to leave his office. There's a reason nobody has seen him in 20 years
>The game wasn't fun so these people getting fired are kinda your fault and its really sad :((((
>>741868708They knew concord was DOA when they couldn't even get people to stick around for the beta.
>>741865810>>741865264the death of battle royales and extraction shooters is soo good to see
>>741874234He could have gotten fired too. Execs are able to "step down" instead but they're being forced out.
Are ya winning son?
>Ok so we have Destiny which is a MMO type thing>Lets replace it with a Live Service Sequel >Ok so Destiny 2 failed...Lets try another LIve Service >Marathon failed even harderHere is the truth these Devs/publishers need to accept.There is only so many people who play Live Service games. Not many of them are willing to jump ship to a brand new one. Let alone picking up a second one and playing both. When you have a successful Live Service Game/MMO, DO NOT shut down it's development and and try to replace it. All that does is force the players to face the reality that "their" account, all that work/time put in, all that money spent on a "Forever Game" can just go poof.
>>741867325More like John Eatsdough. He's lookin a lil chubbier than I remember from Leon the Professional. More like Professional eater, because he's fat.
>>741866960The only dating I need is my wife making me guns and me using using them to exterminate the enemies of humanity
>>741868708bungie is still listed as an asset worth 2.9 billion dollars. they don't want to admit to investors that they pissed it all away
>>741868172It was going to have a PC release as well. It was also during a time when Macs didn't really have gaming support, that's why Bungie focused on the platform
>>741866782kill yourself you worthless, retarded nigger
>>741870708I hate that you're right, but I love that you're right.
>>741867374destruction of the bloated AAA industry which has lead to stagnation and profit-over-passion mentality is always a good thing
>hang on there, Jimbo, you're making the game too good>we're gonna need to sabotage it, otherwise people will expect good things from us all the time>w-why is our game dying
what other industry gets infinite money thrown at it regardless of results like vidya?
>>741866960Possibly. Lord knows there's a LOT of bang-able chicks in that game like Ana Bray, her robot sister, Mara Sov, Petra... hell, I'd even tumble in the hay with Amanda. They missed out on the coomer audience.
>>741875896AI
This company threw it self off a cliff without its Bungie cord.
>>741875896Anything that Blackrock bankrolls. So television, theatre and comics.
>>741866748
>>741876497You, anon. I like you.
>>741865264why didnt you guys blast hard enough... blasters... not like this...
>Marathon is on discount>AGAIN>last discount was a week agoAt this point, they're just scamming the chumps unlucky enough to buy it at full price
>>741871186Based map enjoyer
>>741870691indie games are 50% zero-effort net fishing and 1% actual passion projects. The other 49% simply die half made in early access
>>741873458>IF I'M GOING DOWN I'M TAKING YOU WITH ME
>>741876774>See meeting invite pop up>Hear about upcoming layoffs>Decline inviteit's just that easy
>>741865264I really don't know how long they can last. I mean Marathon is an abject failure at this point. Whatever decent initial sentiment/sales has obviously slowed down to a crawl. The community itself does not like the MTX in the game. They are not popular. It is not that they don't want MTX, but they think the skins suck, there are barely any, pricing sucks, etc. Basically, the thing is losing money right now. It is not generating revenue with its current playerbase + MTX situation.With Bungee actively draining money, no Destiny 3 on the horizon, and Sony's general live-service failure I think that bungee is probably just gonna get absorbed in some capacity by the end of the year. I can see it being shuttered with what they consider the important or worthwhile people being spread throughout the company and the rest being fired. IPs will be sold off, I don't know if they even bother to keep Destiny or Marathon. Maybe Destiny in the hopes of a revival in like a decade?
NiceNow Bungie can make Marathon an EVEN BETTER GAME THAN IT ALREADY IS
Now that Herman has been responsible for 3, major live service failures, will he finally get promoted to Giga CEO of Sony?
>>741878127He still has a job? I thought they ordered him to "retire"
>>741878224he literally delivered the news today, his name is at the bottom of the memo
>>741878079Oh please. I was almost cradle 70 before the F2P week ended. The marathon people have no fucking clue what they're doing.
THIS KILLS THE BUNGIE MARAFLOP
ALRIGHT. I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST ONE BUNGIE EMPLOYEE ON 4CHAN RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.
>>741866630the only latinx that bought marathon are the reddit modsas always nobody else came to help them
>>741878306Did they nerf the economy exploits before or after the F2P week?
>>741866398Bungie has, or at least had some of the absolute best devs in the industry. They were surrounded by hundereds of worse than useless crazies. Maybe they think there's a team that can be salvaged. What's clear is that they aren't going to make a half million dollar bet on the current team.
Why are they laying off the entire Destiny 2 team but not the Marathon team.
>>741866529Peak blizzard was able to do it. Flashback to Blackthorne. RC pro Am to Rock and Roll racing. Dune 2 to Warcraft. Ultima online to WOW.
>800 devs>at least 400 working on marathon>season 2 is just 1 new enemy and a night map variant of a map that already exists>season 3 delayed>season 3 was just gonna have variant of a map that already exists but with grass here and there>100million in salaries a yearhow the fuck does this happen?
>>741867128Would YOU trust these fucks with a half billion?>>741867205Hey, there's still Horizon hunters and fairgames.
>>741867237...By staff who "supported bungie", does this mean their gay as hell structural fanbase?
>so desperate to make Marathon a success they gaslight you over DestinyKek this company is heading for bankruptcy, hope they keep throwing good money after bad.
>>741879073No, it means HR, Finance, IT, and Legal people in Sony who worked with them. Corporate jobs.
>>741867010Onimusha is one of Capcom's great PS2 era game series, and if you don't play it, I swear on Lord Nobunaga's decapitated head that I will find where you live, fuck you in the ear and shit in your heatsinks if I ever get a chance.This is for your own good.
marathon will never be a success, surely no one is actually retarded enough to think it will be
>>741878962I'm willing to bet that the Marathon team post-launch was much smaller, then they really staffed it up when they realized that Destiny was going to get EOS'ed and Marathon would need to be heavily reworked to increase its playerbase.
>>741867104>>741867835>>741867128I think a rational read is that sony saw how fat, bloated and slow bungie was and decided not to start a new project with that team. I guarantee they had plenty of projects pitched, including boring "halo but not" types..>nothing else in the works.Nothing to announce at least. Means they''re years and years off if they had anything.
>>741865264why do companies even announce layoffs?
>>74187896210 white guys who actually do work and 790 diverse voices.
>>741867234>>741867326Hey. Some of you are shareholders, maybe through your 401k or union. Would YOU give Bungie money to make a game?
AAA is fucked right now. Has been for almost half a decade. Look to indie games after these legacy games get shipped.
>>741867374You fucks have been trying this "gamers are dead" trash for years now. Go financially support marathon by yourself. Buy all the passes and MTX, and watch it die.
>>741865264>Destiny 2 failed>Marathon is failing>no Destiny 3what exactly is Bungie supposed to do?
>>741879323To control the narrative before a ton of people start posting on Twitter/LinkedIn that they got laid off.
Now that D2 is finished I might finally do dungeons and raidsDespite having like 1k hours in the game I never did any because remembering all those mechanics seemed hard
>>741867617Kurpa Hosk's page is stillup.
>>741867741I thought Pizza hut was them failing to give a fuck about their product and failing.
>>741867374Excuse me? I jerk off to actual porn of pixels.
>>741867903I'm still seeing a deficit in the fucking millions, every month.
What did Destiny Bulletin mean by this?
AAA gaming as we know it is completely dead, the next console cycle is going to flop and we're all just going to walk away or stick to our niches. I myself feel like I'm just aging out of the hobby, I'll probably spend less and less time playing vidya because the industry is just miserable now
>>741867968>Why would they do that if the game isn’t successful?Because they don't have a better plan. Run the numbers yourself. Marathon is the biggest bomb of the year.
>>741879672Pizza Hut could have continued they weren't in danger the boomers just wanted to cash out
>>741879786You added those there because its not in the tweethttps://x.com/DestinyBulletn/status/2070179840481775736
>>741868208The hole in the ground bungie was burning money in was so huge it got announced in the last anual financial reports by name. Next year we can expect the same.
>>741879419In this context this means giving my money to Sony, the same company with a flat-lining hardware business long past its prime, a poorly managed movie studio that is taking half a decade to make an animated spiderman film and sold the IP rights of what ended up being a massive animated success with K-Pop Demon Hunters losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars of potential revenue and sequel rights, and PlayStation Studio which has not released a game I found worth playing in over a decade and is currently being headed by a compromised man who is clearly picking favorites and only operating on what protects him, and his former studio he crawled out of.So no, unfortunately I would not invest. In fact if I was more of a betting man I would feel rather inclined to short Sony stock closer to when these dated single player AAA romps Sony has been cooking up to fail are closer to release, depending on if GTA6 gives Sony the lifeline in hardware sales for the PS5 it's desperate for.
I did this, but I also did nothing.
>>741868529They're in trouble no matter what. Huge games. Low percentage success. Unbalanced options. Empty library.
>>741868265>nooo don't disrespect my hecking e-troonceleb, o algo
>>741869295Keeping the shareholders in the dark about how fucked it is is most important. Both games are dying or dead.
>>741865707What is Fatailty doing these days
>>741869534>>741869857Ubisoft has more bodies, but the Marathon bodies are US west coast fucks, so they're even less efficient than anything ubisoft has, with the notable exeption of Ubisoft Pune.
>>741869696That is a GREAT question. The short term plan is to gut the obvious failures at Bungie, WARN act at all, and if the Marathon team proves that they are competent at all, give them a game for the ps6.
>>741865882>focus on DEI instead of making a fun gamethey all deserve to be fired
>>741879786The tweet isn't totally wrong if you go by the rumors. The old Marathon game director who got MeToo'd was also sitting on a ton of stock that he lost as part of being 'fired for cause,' same as Marty, I think.And where does that stock go? Why, back to the other majority executive shareholders!But I'd bet Truman got a mini golden parachute for being the fall guy for all of this after Parsons left.
>>741870203Was it ever safe? Not counting Nintendo employees hired straight from college.
>>741865264this is the sort of game hat only justifies a small team like 10-15 people. why the hell they thought it was a good idea to abandon their gem IP and go all in on a sweat niche genre amazes me
>>741880708>It's just a sweat niche genre broEmbark did the same thing with Arc Raiders and made a fuckload of money with a huge player countMarathon failed because they stole that tranny's art style which, when discovered, forced them to delay the game. They were supposed to release before Arc Raiders and they ended up releasing like 4 months after, so AR gobbled up the entire market. They were both competing for the same players, which are people interested in extraction shooters who got filtered by Tarkov.
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>>741873845A goddam federal WARN act notice was filed, so at the VERY least 100. From my linkedin toolkit, I'm going to estimate well over 400. Maybe 500? I don't think it's 700. t. Finances are based on being ahead of the market.
>>741865264Good. Woke slop always loses.
Post YFW>Didnt do anything
>>741865264Mcdonalds awaits.
>>741865264ITS so BUNGIEOVER AND MARATHONOVER.......
>>741879321It's not a rational read tho. Destiny 3 was not greenlit after Final Shape because at the time, the studio was still under control of Pete Parson and the board of directors at Bungie who were in a contract where they needed to meet revenue targets to keep the board and earn their vested stock to cash out on their exit package. Edge of Fate and the state it existed in only happened because of the need to meet those revenue targets. This was a failure, but it's crying over spilt milk at this point. The greatest tragedy from it is that there will be no justice for it.However, it was still within Sony's power to finance something else. It could have been Destiny 3, it could have been taking time to release a refurbished Destiny 2 to establish a foundation for another decade of support, there was infinite possibilities here that all could have lead to greater revenue for Sony without layoffs. But by the time Sony got full control over Bungie it was after the failure of Concord and the multitude of other cancelled live service projects from other studios. This caused the Sony board to become bearish on future live service investments despite the fact that further investment into Destiny would have absolutely paid off.I can blame and hate Pete and the former board for leading Bungie down this path to begin with, but it's equally fair to hate Sony and Hulst for not properly utilizing their own assets. If you had to kill Marathon or Destiny, the obvious answer was Marathon, but I would argue you never needed to kill any game because ANY sufficient Destiny project would have been worth the investment.The funniest part is, by laying off so many talented staff, even IF Sony makes the effort to try to turn Marathon around into something that could fill the void left by Destiny, they just left the entire Destiny team looking for work, and much of that key talent will be poached by other studios to create the competition that may just end up killing it anyway.
>>741878657Right at the end. Then further nerfs later. The casuals left behind were turbofucked. Day one of cryo was a complete fucking shitshow. Multiple misrah teams with gold shields on every run. Nobody with less than purple equipment. First contact with other teams in under 2 mins with rape on their minds.
>>741865264>literally zero mentions of MarathonBungie is literally gonna go into the grave and sink their own company without ever blaming anything on Marathon, aren't they?
>>741865264This is fantastic news. I'm gonna cook myself a nice big fat steak.
>>741880932>Marathon failed because they stole that tranny's art style which, when discovered, forced them to delay the gamenah, that was the best thing to happen to marathon. It if wasn't delayed it would have gone up against AR at its peak and done even worse. Marathon failed because it tried to be even more hardcore than tarkov while having none of the depth and progression that existing extraction players actually care about. The 3 maps are extremely small and force pvp at every POI due to the spawn system, and with no safe pocket the average player is getting farmed and not making any progress. The shooting is fine and the lore is great from what I've heard but I don't care about that shit in a shooter. They made maps that were smaller than an average battlefield map and tried to force an extremely punishing, hardcore game experience while marketing it to the general casual audience. Apart from the lore, there is literally nothing marathon offers over other extraction shooters on the market, not to mention the stickiness those have with the learning that goes into knowing the map and weapons enough to be effective in engagements. Marathon is just generic halo arena slop packaged as a shitty attempt at an extraction shooter
>>741879171Well, HR was definitely shielding the fuckers.
>>741872707>meowi laughed for some reason you faggot
>>741879323>>741879543In this case, they are firing SO many fucking people that it's a federal requirement.
>>741880932embark literally has no games besides ark raiders and the finals who no one gives a damn about.Bungie has destiny which no matter how shit and stuffed with microtransactions would've done insanely well if they did a d3.I don't see marathon being good even if it released before arc raiders probably would've gotten a slightly bigger playercount but the moment arc raiders comes out people'll would've jumped ship cause bungie pisses off their fans, people don't play extraction shooters in general because its a sweat genre.the closest i've seen was dark and darker because it was medieval themed instead of a shooter.
>>741881360HR isn't a monolith, and there's a pecking order. If a high level group of HR people decide a lower level group has to go, those people get shitcanned same as everyone else, it's just them being on the other side of the table this time.>>741881465But I didn't see a WARN notice get posted tho?
>>741865882JOIN THE -ACK!
>>741865264>Get x >Go y
>>741881183They have 800 fucking employees. They absolutely should have had the manpower to be getting other projects locked and loaded while doing everything else.
>>741865445>"NOOOO we don't want to be the Halo company making Halo forever! We want creative control over our IP!!" >scrap your lead writers original story so they leave and immediately fire your composer over creative dispute with Activision>became the Destiny company making Destiny forever, over a decade of "working" on two faggy live service games and 1 dog water extraction shooter Genuinely everything would have been better if they had just been the Halo company making Halo forever. We would have one good sci-fi IP instead of 2 ruined ones made by dev studios everyone hates and wants shuttered.
>>741881352You don't need to exfil to progress on most contracts
who?
>>741866630As a latinabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvxz person, I... thank you
>>741881795Do you actually play the game? Extracting is absolutely critical to progress.
>>741881847He was a hero of the battle of Yavin. An x wing pilot on Red squadron.
>>741881847>Poria TorkanWhere is he from in Middlearth?
>>741881635you say this
>>741881912no, these retards only shill this shit because it's become part of their identity
>>741881286>please, PLEASE, validate my feelings about marathon's hypothetical failure. it's concord 3, the voices told me
It's over.
even if marathon didn't exist (e.g failed as an incubation project like the others), destiny STILL would have shit the bedthis is undeniably 100% destiny's fault for being shit, final shape "killed" the game because the main story concluded and 2/3 of players quit because of that
>>741867374WON BIGLY YET AGAINKAKAKAKAKAKAKA
june is such a funny month in video games>wow look at all these amazing new games coming soon!>2 weeks later>everyone is fired
>>741882146>marathon's hypothetical failureThere's no hypothetical. Pic related are Marathon's numbers right now. Those numbers are not even enough to keep alive a studio with 200 employees, let alone 800 employees in an area where the average wage is $100k/year.
>>741882154To be fair, what would they need 400 people on Marathon for?
>>741881847Used to work at Guerrila. Maybe Hulst let him live because of that?
>>741882154>unclear what happens with that nowMaybe they'll outsource everything to the saars and end up with a Prince of Persia level disaster, not that Marathon could get much worse.
What went so horribly wrong?
>>741865882They used to be the one studio that would regularly make fun of stuff like this. They had employee descriptions where they jokingly teased that one Asian lady about her race.
>>741881847>Ex Guerrilla devYeah they are now going to the Horizon mines
>>741882146it's pulling 7k average players on steam anon. with an estimated dev count of 300minimum working on it likely closer towards 400.
idk about you anons, but if I was a Bungie dev that worked on Destiny 2 and get told I'm losing my job, while they're keeping shit like Marathon and Fairgames alive, i'd lose my shit. are you just meant to suffer as a gamedev or what??
>>741882476destiny being a money pit, unironicallyit burnt through money and all it took was a little failure to cascade into half the studio getting laid off
>>741882701>are you just meant to suffer as a gamedev or what??If you willingly join an AAA studio that's super SJW, yes.
according to /v/ only xbox closes studios and lay people off
>>741881740100%, that's why I point my ire entirely at leadership. At former Bungie leadership for letting Destiny 2 get in the position it's now in, and at Sony leadership for refusing to make what was the obvious decision to make when finally given full control to make that decision. You never needed layoffs. You didn't even fucking need Destiny 3. You could have just dropped the last update, mention in a blog post "hey we are going to take like 18 months to 2 years from here to focus on necessary work to create a foundation for another 10 years of Destiny" then drop a refurbished Destiny in an updated version of the engine, unify D1 and all of D2 (including what was "vaulted") and work off that as a launch pad for future content.Instead, Sony chose apathy, let go an entire dev team that will get poached by Bungie's future competition, and IF Bungie does turn things around and eventually move back to Destiny as an IP they will have missed the entire next generation of new looters like the Division 3, whatever that russian game from the atomic heart devs is, PSO3 (if it comes out, its definitely being worked on right now by Sega upon observation if you look at what talent they are hiring for the division that works on PSO) etc. To be honest, the fact that Ubisoft stock is down 92% from it's peak and the Division 3 is still being worked on when anything for Destiny is not is downright insulting.
>Marathon devs are getting laid off too The game is 3 and a half months old lol. Bungie isn't surviving another year
I honestly can't imagine what 800 people would be doing in making video games.
>>741882831>PSO3Sega's going to fuck it up in some stupid way, so I wouldn't worry about it.
>>741882701depends on if they get a severance package better to leave now and get 6 months then stay and work on a sinking ship
>>741882492that's the problem with leftists, they base their entire worldview on emotional lies - reality be damned. When you can't even be honest about your gender, what hope is there for a functional software company? There has to be some rational thought, but the intellectual dishonesty spreads everywhere.
>>741883317Nobody that's getting laid off is being given a choice. It's all>you ARE being laid off>and THIS is your last dayI hope the good devs get severance and the shitty woke ones get fuck all.
https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/2070200296010137811
>>741883317There's a ton of Bungie employees who are going to be eligible for the payouts from the $3.6 billion Sony buyout where up towards $2 billion was set aside to make current employees stay with Bungie. This is going to happen sometime in mid-July. We might unironically just see the entire studio crumble.
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>>741883476i'm betting sony would love to pull a subnautica 2 and back out of this now. It amazes me how that korean ceo was so desperate to save his rep after buying an insanely popular game studio, meanwhile sony keep overpaying for turds
>>741883029There was an 80.lvl article from a guy who worked for ubisoft. His job was to paint cracks on walls (for Ghost Recon games). He did that for 2 years straight. He was the wall crack painting guy. Every day, go into work and paint some cracks on the walls to make it look detailed. No wonder they have 1000+ names in the credits. Modern gamedev was a mistake.
>>741882476>Destiny being a money pit yet apparently had enough to split its teams into 4 incubation projects >Lightfall (I really really think people just overlook how much damage this shit did to D2)>Beware of over delivery in a genre in which you must always amp up the mantle and raise the stakes. >Marathon going through two reboots and multiple adjustments so it wouldn't be just another hero shooter>People get old Now add the rest of what we know and you know your answer. They were set to fail by Pete and probably Jason which is why it's a mystery to me why the fuck is he anywhere near Bungie.
>>741881708>Halo era Bungie only had 1 woman (+marty who basically counts as a woman)take me back bros...
>>741883029Over-specialization. I can't find the tweet/article but some coverage of the layoffs mentioned there being dozens of unique job titles in the layoffs at a single developer. They think they can afford it, that having a super duper specialized employee doing one insanely specific thing, attracting all the best of the best of the best resume stuffers in the most expensive areas in the world, and needing to move an unreasonable number of full priced units will all come together in the end because of "Blizzard/BioWare/Ubisoft/Bungie magic". They've been betting it all on this failed experiment for over a decade and refused to read the room because of a religious belief that they can keep the good old days going for them and their industry friends.
Don't know why you guys are celebrating the destruction of gaming but I realised you guys don't play video games and - pft haha sorry i cant finish that, this shit owns. maybe games will go back to being weird and cool instead of boring movie shit
>>741865264Get woke go broke All of the destiny and marathon tranny shills that spammed hundreds of threads advertising this goyslop lost bigly especially the trannies on /vg/KWAB
>>741883051I would agree, the point was more to shine light on the reality that there is a wave of looter games on the horizon right now which will all be able to reap the benefits of capturing parts of the Destiny audience lead astray at the loss of their game and none of that is to Sony's major benefit, especially if GTA6 fails to reverse the trend that the PS5 is currently on pace to sell less than the PS4 (meaning a shrinking console market meaning less consumers purchasing shit on their platform to take a 30% cut from) I wonder how much Xbox executives are kicking themselves for cancelling Project Blackbird. If it was as good as the people who got to play it claimed, it would have been ready for release by 2027-2028. Would have a perfect time to capitalize on the gap in the market.
>>741865882so THAT is why the studio killed itself...
>>741884452i like this webm
>>741881183This is only happening because Bungie sandbagged on Marathon and tried to send it out to die thinking they could ignore a Sony exec demand while still getting the greenlight on their future desired game D3 or otherwise. A huge portion of players STILL can't even try Marathon PC because the game fails to launch with no error messages, no support, nothing. More than half of my friends are unable launch Marathon on PC with high end systems and the game is blatantly unfinished anyways there's fucking nothing to even buy!I bet the cronies still think they'll buy their way out of Sony like the last publishers.
>>741870565microsoft was also buying activisions massive mobile game division. king alone makes like 10b a year
>>741883767was he laid off once substance painter and designer entered the scene
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