From is Safe
>>741868894Not likely. This is just the opening salvo.
>>741868894jews have time on their hands and will keep trying. The vote was close too.
>>741868894til 2027. sad to watch. the concept of public companies isn't compatible with the concept of holding firms
>>741868894Nah, it's over. Just a matter of time. Soon they'll be rehashing Elden Ring everywhere (its already started with the movie)
>>741868894maybe should've thought of the poor shareholders and made Elden Ring 5: The Elden of Rings by now.
I’m not an economics expert, aficionado and don’t even do my own taxes but help me understand something. So a completely unknown corporation, one that possibly doesn’t even operate in your own nation can buy stocks or shares or IPs of a company you work at or even own? Then that gives them large amounts of sway or control to do what they like which includes ousting you or people who help make the company successful? Even though they had nothing to do with its current success or original starting point? Am I getting this right? So I start lets say, a muffin making company that operates within a small town and expands a bit to a few other locations, but one day Amazon or Nintendo buys all the stocks and then replaces me and everyone who was loyal or efficient with their own yes men? Thats how it goes now?
>>741868894Why can't From fans buy shares instead?Replace those investments firms subhumans with retail investors that actually care about the games quality?
>>741870002yes, you can help stop it by gassing juices
>>741870002Yes.It's why the "free market" it's a joke, because if smaller company starts to outperform the larger one if all else fails it can be simply bought out.That said, this is only if your company is public, you small muffin company can be kept private and you would be safe from that.Valve, for example, it's a private company (and it's half the reason why their are under constant legal attack, as there are investment firms that are salty they can't speculate on its value).
>>741870002nigga just figured out how globalism works
>>741870002you had to sell the stock willingly for your muffin company. you had all the control in the world.
>>741870002>So I start lets say, a muffin making company that operates within a small town and expands a bit to a few other locations, but one day Amazon or Nintendo buys all the stocksOnly if you make it a publicly traded company.
>>741870002When you sell stocks, you sell them for a price which essentially buys you a position in the company with voting rights. If a guy buys 1 million shares at $1 each, he will be giving your company 1 million dollars (before brokerage fees, shares aren't subject to sales tax). How many stocks you own determines how meaningful your vote is. However, shareholders vote on things like director elections, major acquisitions and compensation disputes. They don't directly interact with the day-to-day functions of the company like launching new products, hiring people, choosing suppliers or really any of the business strategy. They vote kind of in a representative democracy style, where they pick a guy to do all that stuff and if he's not doing it right, they kick him out and replace him with someone who will do what they want. You generally cannot kick out shareholders as the original owner of a company, the best you can do is say "I will buy your shares back if you get the fuck out", but they're not obligated to accept. That said, your company has to offer stock options in the first place, it isn't just some automatic thing that happens. Many big companies do it because they're willing to put up with a few demands if somebody is willing to give them millions of dollars as an investment opportunity. Sometimes it turns out bad because shareholders generally only care about making money from their investment. If they put in $20m, they want to see way more than $20m in dividends. Dividends are directly influenced by overall profit, if the company makes $100m in profit and the BoD decides to distribute $20m in dividends and there are 20m shares, then the dividend is $1 per share. If you have 10m shares then you get $10m. Obviously this can only happen if the company is making a big profit and is capable of paying out a lot to its shareholders, since it still has to account for future investments and operating costs.Finance is weird, not not that complicated.
>>741868894FROM really should consider buying themselves out of Kadokawa. Only a matter of time before they get fucked by retarded investors.
>>741868894The CEO of Kodakawa should lose his job for not self publishing Elden Ring, the shareholders are 100% right
>>741868894They're going to win because the CEO is legitimately incompetent. Even without them pushing for a new CEO, the CEO still must go.
Been revealed that Natsuno survived with 59.68% of the vote. Last year he had over 90%. Sony and NTT have since been leaked as supporting Natsuno.12.77% worth of votes were in the room but abstained from the vote.Oasis Management’s proposal got 27.55% of the vote. We know 15.25% was Oasis themselves.Apparently more people voted for Oasis Managements proposal, but enough of the big shareholders sided with Natsuno. So Kakao and Tencent must have supported him
>>741870002A stock is literally a piece of ownership of a company, sold in units called "shares" ie a share of total ownership of the company.By default, a company begins as private and is entirely owned by one founding entity. Once the company is off the ground, it may choose to list itself publicly on the stock market and begin selling shares. How many shares it actually allows to be sold and how much ownership each individual share represents is up to the owner of the company.>why?Because people buy shares, which makes selling them an excellent way for a company to raise money.As long as a company chooses not to sell more than 49% of its shares, the owner retains a controlling majority of the company. However, there are laws and regulations governing how a company is accountable to its shareholders. Shares are bought under the understanding that the value of those shares will go up over time. If they go down, everyone loses money. Thus the company has a legal responsibility to do everything reasonable within its power to support the value of its stock. If shareholders feel that the company has done retarded shit and failed to uphold its legal responsibility to its shareholders, there are regulatory avenues they can use to seek accountability.But many companies choose to sell more than half of the total ownership of their company, because the value of a stock rises dramatically once it's possible to actually buy a controlling majority. Once again, the owner has to actually choose to do this."Activist" (the term is a misnomer) firms are middlemen that specialize in hijacking companies which have a controlling stock share on the market by essentially persuading other shareholders to form a coalition in which the activist firm leads. They seek to attract enough shareholders to this coalition that it collectively holds more shares than the leaders of the company, and are thus able to effectively usurp control of the company.
>>741871692there's no way Kadokawa would go for itFROM is too juicy to let go
>>741873376>what's the point?Middlemen firms essentially take ordinary laymen's money and invest it for them, make money off of those investments on behalf of their customers, and skim a little off the top for themselves. Their only purpose is to find a stock that will grow, invest in it when it's cheap, then sell it when it's more expensive.Activist firms work by attempting to take over companies with affordable stock and pump the stock price with a bunch of extremely destructive, shortsighted gimmicks. You pump the price, sell it all off when it's high, then jump ship as the company collapses. It's economic scorched earth. But it makes your customers very happy because you made them a lot of money.Usually when a company suddenly undergoes some inexplicable leadership turbulence and then immediately becomes absolutely fucking shit and nosedives into terminal decline, there's a major activist firm behind it. They are the bacterial infection of the financial world.
>>741873243>incompetent how so?
Can't From just fuck off and leave Kadokawa? They should be able to survive on their own.
>>741868894Oh thank God where else was I only to get my fix of regurgitated Dark Souls games
>>741870002>all these people saying "yes"lol whatpeople can't buy things that aren't for sale. When you hear about something like this, it has probably been owned by multiple entities for many years (publicly or privately) and one entity just bought more (voluntarily sold) shares.>>741870245making your company public doesn't mean you can just suddenly be "bought out". Small shareholders can have their shares sold if the entire company goes through some transition and their .01% share of the company doesn't give them much (or any) voting power about what happens and the operating agreement of the company is such that this is an option for voting members, etc. etc., but if you own 51% of your muffin company you can't just have your shares aggressively purchased from you without your permission.
>>741870002just dont make your company public, like valve. and you can do whatever the fuck you want
>>741870002Yep. This is why any company with a founder that truly believes in its product should either never ever go public, or maintain majority ownership of shares forever. Meta is public, but Zucc has a permanent grasp on 51% of his shares. I hate that faggot but the one and only thing I respect about him is that absolutely no one can tell him what to do with his company. Except maybe the federal government one day, but that's a different story.
>>741873962>how so?a jew told me
>>741873962https://animecorner.me/kadokawa-ceo-takeshi-natsuno-partly-blames-increase-in-new-anime-companies-for-making-anime-less-profitable/
>>741874371what the fuck do you mean "yep"the answer to the question he asked is firmly "no", and based on your post you probably know that
>>741873962>>741874446https://www.cbr.com/isekai-kadokawa-financial-losses-2026/
>>741874218they would have to buy their freedom, and Kadokawa would have to agree to any dealand if the shareholders wanted to remove the CEO before, they'd actually have reason to for letting FROM go
>>741870002Ford vs Dodge (jew) brothersLook it up
>>741874526I mean yeah the more verbose answer is "no, a completely unknown corporation cannot just 'do that', but they could if you're a retarded founder who takes the company public and then releases more than 50% of shares into the market".
>>741874471>>741874556>51% drop in profitah, yeah that would do it
>>741874296There are such a thing as hostile takeover though, plus a lot of other techniques (like cellar boxing) that can be used to force the price down even with less than 50% of the shares
>>741874858great. thank you.Many people have this idea that people can just do a 'hostile takeover' as in just buy a company whether it's for sale or not, which is what he was describing.(yes there is such a thing as a hostile takeover but it's not that)
>>741875163huh, interestingly just addressed that term right as you posted that. >>741875176It's used in movies and TV a lot so I figure it's part of where people get this idea. It's only hostile in the sense that employees of that company may not agree with something, but it's not people buying things that aren't for sale. They're buying more (voluntarily sold) shares of the company in order to gain more control of the company.
>>741874296Bro, EA wanted to acquire Origin (creators of Ultima) but they didn't want to sell.So EA sued them until they were ready to sell the company.Pretty tame too
>>741870002You should look up what happened to Toy R Us. They didn't go bankrupt because people stopped buying toys, the company went bankrupt because they got bought out and the parent company dumped all their corporations debt into the Toy r us company then bankrupted it to eliminate the debt
>>741875163>There are such a thing as hostile takeover thoughA hostile takeover is when the company's management is against selling out, so the acquiring party goes directly to the company's shareholder to negotiate the sale without management being involved. This is called "hostile" takeover because it generally creates a very bad relationship between the acquired company and its new owners.
>>741875818>They didn't go bankrupt because people stopped buying toys, the company went bankrupt because they got bought out and the parent company dumped all their corporations debt into the Toy r us company then bankrupted it to eliminate the debtSounds like something that'd be highly illegal if done by a poor
>>741876495Oh it's plenty illegal no matter how rich you are, we just don't have a functioning judiciary in the United States. Corporations are allowed to violate the law with impunity. The only time they ever get slapped with a federal investigation or fine is if they offended somebody in the white house or congress. The most powerful corporations however are immune even from that, and even if their actions directly result in hundreds of deaths they escape all culpability, nobody goes to jail, they get a slap on the wrist of a token fine to look like they did something. Boeing is a perfect example. Because they are the only large scale aerospace manufacturing company left in the United States, the government literally cannot afford to prosecute them for the deaths caused by negligence and corning-cutting mandated by Boeing's top management.
>>741870245>you small muffin company can be kept private and you would be safe from that.Yeah good luck with that.Turns out the media doesn't like that very much :^)
>>741876829>the government literally cannot afford to prosecute them for the deaths caused by negligence and corning-cutting mandated by Boeing's top management.I don't know why this whole 'the people making decisions for a company cannot be liable for the effects of those decisions' thing came to be, but it's utter bollocks.
>>741873243How have they not capitalised on it?In the four years since it launched there has been>the game itself, 2022>an expansion>spin off sequel>expansion to the spin off sequel>upcoming port of ER to a new platform with expanded content (which will also release on existing platforms and drive sales)>a new upcoming game not directly related to ER but marketed as being from the same directorThat's more than one thing per year in an industry where modern release schedules are closer to 10 years per product.
>>741877041They can be held liable... if the company is found guilty, at trial. That makes the entire management culpable in a criminal case, which means they can face criminal sentences. You can't sent a corporation to prison, but you can send its management to prison. Given the nature of the disaster, Boeing's executives were 100% looking at lengthy prison sentences if this case went to trial, there is no jury on earth that would have been able to sit through 100+ grieving family members on the witness stand and not want every member of Boeing's boardroom hanging from a noose.Which is why Boeing negotiated with the government to avoid trial. They paid out 1.1 billion dollars in settlement fees to the aggrieved families but even despite this massive cash settlement, about a third of the victim's families appealed against dismissing the case and wanted it to go to trial, because they felt Boeing was simply buying its way out of facing justice. Which it was.
>>741876896the media only gets involved if your muffin company is so successful, it makes the other pastry companies look retarded by comparisonsure, your muffins use 100% flour instead of a mix of flour, sawdust, and chalk, but that doesn't mean the customer base should abstain from eating them!
>>741870019Imagine if companies could place prerequisites on who could buy stock, like you need to have played at least 3 FromSoft games to completion before being elligible to buy.
>>741878091aside from that practice getting struck down as prejudical, companies probably wouldn't go for it anyway because it significantly shrinks the pool of investors when you're trying to acquire as much capital as possible
>>741877059they probably want it to either be leaner (cut staff/whatever so that the revenue to cost ratio increases), or to have more low quality (low cost high profit) things to sell eg a battle pass/cosmetics and or gaudy spin offs like a Fortnite sponsorship or some sort of Elden ring gacha mobile gamebasically do whatever you’d imagine EA would do
>>741878091>I want to buy shares!>Git gud then
>>741878091They would never do that even if it was an option. Companies go public to make as much money as possible
The last thing Fromsoft needs is an activist investor to tell them to pump out derivative roll slop every other year.
>>741876495You can thank that mormon who ran for president for that one. He was the company exec that executed that plan. I forget his name. I just remember his slick oil backed hair.
>>741881448Romney
>>741877059These are jews we're talking about. The company could be doing extremely well and it still won't be enough for them.The real reason is that this Fischer jew wants to put either his own guy or a subservient golem in charge so that they can pull a Playstation. There was a thread the other day listing Oasis has a long history of buying big stakes in Japanese companies and then immediately throwing their weight around to get every single one of their demands met, often suing when the rest of the board doesn't want to.
>>741878661No, they want Bandai as a publisher out of the picture.
>>741870002Jewish shit. I hope the japs raid his office and gouge his eyes out.
>>741868894>Elden Ring is their biggest sales success>not only that but it spawned a spinoff (a Souls first) that was modestly successful, an upcoming Hollywoodslop movie, and a ton of merchandisegee, what an incompetent boob the current CEO is, right? I'm picturing that scene from the Simpsons where Homer heckles Flanders' coaching despite their team winning
>>741883021He fucked up their anime division pretty badly >>741874892
>>741883139Then it's the anime division that needs fixing, not fucking Elden Ring.
>>741870002Only if the company is publicly traded and no one in the company owns a majority share. Valve, for example, is privately owned so no one can buy it unless Gabe sells it to them. Even if a company is publicly owned, the founder or whoever can just make sure they have the largest possible share so they still have the final say.Of course this all varies a lot by company and how they are incorporated and structured, but in short if your company is bought out it's because you either wanted it or allowed it.
>>741882981fpbp
now I can see why jews hate valve and are constantly running lawfare against them. They really want to control it.Hope Gaben has an army of jew-pilled people in control when he dies, not just 1-person weak link who can be blackmailed or killed.
Some grifter made a video about this but isn't telling the full story about Oasis Management. So we should assume he's a controlled opposition. Here's the foreign agent who is behind it. https://oasiscm.com/about-us/https://oasiscm.com/about-us/oasis-advisory-council/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_Management
>>741868894What if Miyazaki just leaves and creates his own independent studio to make souls games? you'd think they would be doing everything possible to keep the golden goose happy instead of acting like greedy cunts.
>>741885349define "grifter"
>>741885560The fact that he gave misinformation about Oasis Management to his audience is enough proof.
>>741885746ok and what was that "misinformation"?
>>741870002It means>I put a bunch of money in your company so what are you doing>You have this highly successful IP you haven’t fully milked what gives
>>741885846Misdirection about who owns Oasis Management.
>>741868894WOWZERS! Safe to keep releasing dogshit games instead of a real game.
>>741870002You're a bum selling muffins. Banks won't give you loans but you love making muffins. You get a big fucking idea.>"I promise half of my revenue is whoever the fuck wants, in exchange of this month's flour to keep the muffins going".So you go public and some jew throws pocket change at you, suddenly your muffins become Michelin-tier and you're a millionaire, half a million is still the jew's and he says>"Oy vey! Goy's muffins grew 10x the last quarter and it will keep growing! I sell it to you for 1000x what I paid, just hold the stonks and in a year you will recoup your investment!"So that half of your company is being torn by strangers like wolves ripping a sheep. They sit at your table and say >"Dude, these walnut muffins are giving allergies to kids, think of the children!">"These chocolate muffins are offensive to fat women, we're losing (potential) markets here, discontinue them">"We should make a donation to my private pro-LGBT NGO so we're spared taxes, plus the money will flow into my personal pocket and justified to my personal purpose">"Newcomer jew won the elections in shitholestan, they're members of the antimuffin alliance and they're introducing anti-muffin laws. We reduce our legal liability by ceasing all muffin production, from here on we will manufacture muffin-shaped dilators".And you personally can't give a fuck about making muffins anymore, so you appoint a CEO to direct the whole shitshow while he gives you a symbolic position as "Chairman emeritus" where you don't work but can't be fired as you're still a shareholder, until the day you decide>"hmm Muffin-Goldstein Securities LTD is worth 100000x from when I started out. Gonna sell my stock and start my own indie muffin company."
you know, with all those folk stories about>making a deal with a devilone would hope people would be hesitant to accept upfront cash with the looming risk of eternal ass rape.
>>741870002If you own a business, always make sure you have at least 51% of total ownership. Preferably never publicly trade your company.
>Watching as the small indie company Grinding Gear Games sold a majority ownership of their studio to fucking TencentI can't even imagine it, they worked so hard to put out a spiritual successor to Diablo 2, and now I'm pretty sure Tencent just owns 100% of the company - it's like selling their baby to a chinese giga corporation
>>741868894I keep seeing this story phrased as "dumbass greedy investors aren't happy one of the biggest games of all time wasn't even more successful, they hate that it didn't have 10x the DLC and gamepasses", but there's legitimately some incompetence at From.>gives away 30% of profits so another company can publish it for them>despite 80% of sales being digital (which any babby could handle)Imagine being an investor and some 61 year-old boomer running the company is needlessly giving away a third of their (your) money to someone else.
>>741888323on one hand yes it sucks for the consoomer, but on the other they won the holy grail of being an indie dev. they've been going at it for 2 decades. i think the founders deserve a little something for all the work they've put in
>>741868894Call me a pinko, but I think firms should be run by the people who actually work in them, not so faggot ass 'investors'
>>741889279Whatever you say, Pinko.
>>741882847Why, Fromsoft should be kissing Bamco's ass more often than ever.
