>stop proceeding when kris start drowning during the lake scene with noelle will shift you into weird route side A instead of side B (normal route and weird route combined), giving you an unique dialogue of Susie asking about kris wet hair, Susie will then ask about you and Noelle, and if you say “Dont get in between me and Noelle”, kris will throw themself into the water to stop you from finishing your sentence, in which susie has to save them, after this interactation the game returns back to how it goes on the normal route
>>741877129Are there any other differences after that point, or is it just the normal non weird route Ch5?
>>741877129>and if you say “Dont get in between me and Noelle”, kris will throw themself into the water to stop you from finishing your sentenceIf he's that big of a cuck then he deserves everything lmao
>>741878058The fact that when you "Abort" the route the jingle doesn't play
>>741877129>if you say “Dont get in between me and Noelle”, kris will throw themself into the water to stop you from finishing your sentenceGod, what a pussy. The PROCEEDing will continue until morale improves.
>>741878395But you don't get any kind of 'Continued in Chapter 6, Side A' alternative shit after you finish the rest of the Ch5 content, right? It's just 'abort the weird route, then all of Ch5 plays normally from that point'?
>Hey guys, in this game the two girls are into each other.>Yeah, as you can see they are lesbians, if you want to keep playing it will be 25 bucks>Thanks for the money guys, here you have the last chapter, the lesbians are getting together.This cucking is entirely of your own doing.
>>741878736I am not cucked, for I never was into the deer or the dinosaur.I am however being subjected by toby's absolutely atrocious romance writing that has not improved in any way, and it's something I have to trudge through to get to the good parts.Oh except his bad romance writing was more prevalent of course and affected more characters.
>>741878665>But you don't get any kind of 'Continued in Chapter 6, Side A' alternative shit after you finish the rest of the Ch5 content, right?sadly no, i'm still looking to see if there are other differences between the normal route and side A.
>>741878665There's one extra susie scene
>>741878887The romantic scenes were like a 10% of the chapter, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>741878938>>741878928And is this the 'Twisted Route' I've heard other anons mention, or just a fork of the Weird Route?
>>741879061Susie blabbers on about noelle for more than half of the chapter, and then another small yet jarring segment is taken up by blue and yellow. Do not blind yourself to reality. Toby can not write romance, and has shown it repeatedly.
>>741879095The alleged twisted route is aborted weird route with 5 shadow crystals, which allows you to craft the twisted sword. We don't know if it's an actual route yet
>asgore’s involvement in chapter 5 was more of getting the full audience up to speed on his role when it comes to the dark worlds and why hes ostracized, since the source for that information in the previous chapter is highly missable ok sure makes sense, slightly disappointing but makes sense.>by the end of the chapter the story has failed to elaborate on the most interesting part of that reveal in chapter 4, that being him owning a black shard>never mentions or uses it, doesnt even get a chance to fight back against the knight (which is reiterated for us that it comes from the knight’s blade meaning he must have fought it before), not even getting to show the properties of slay/dark on the knight
>>741877129I actually think it will be the Genocide equivelant Ending and have the BEST/Hardest boss since it apparently flags ALL your saves, likely because she realized (you) aren't Kris, so now she is the one aware of the Shattered Rose, and that she has the power to Proceed too, you showed her the way, but you have resigned your right to guide her due your failure. going through with it will just not have you get any more battles (Even in Chapter 7) and be unsatisfying in gameplay but avert the prophecy, but will have Noelle realize it in the very end setting the same flag for your replays.All three+the shards+Twisted Sword will be necessary to create the DELTARUNE in the Survey Program, which wil just be Gaster Schizobabble teasing.
>>741879347I was wondering about that too. The chapter 4 house segment just feels retconned ath this point.
>>741879224I wasn't the biggest fan of the festival romance scene, but all the stuff at Noelle's house in chapter 4 was well done, and blue and yellow moments were cute even if they are mega faggots (and pretty short) I don't see what the big deal is.
>>741879224>Toby can not write romancething is he can, all of the kriselle and krusie scenes have been excellent, he's very good at writing tragic and more down-to-earth relationships, but when it comes to "wholesome" romance he's insufferably fucking awful with it
>>741878421where does this happen?
>>741879740>All the scenes where I can self insert are well written, actuallyCuck-kun ...
>>741880020Weird Route, at the lake.
>>741879713>but all the stuff at Noelle's house in chapter 4 was well doneI couldn't disagree more. It was stilted and awkward. The lowpoint of an otherwise great chapter. >and blue and yellow moments were cute even if they areah, I'm afraid anon we have directly opposite tastes in matters. I actually don't think there will be anything to gain from a discussion between the two of us. Toby romance suffers from being character agnostic, in that the scenes with his romances could be plucked from one character and put on another and nothing would change, because it fails to actually take elements of that character. This differs from how toby writes friendships because those you can not, there's something special, unique about each friendship he writes. Kris and susies friendship for instance, can not be replaced with berdly on either end and remain the same thing, because it's heavily based on who the characters are. This is the problem with his romance writing, and it was extremely evident with yellow and blue, as well as everything that's ever happened with susselle.>>741879740>krusieis being written as a friendship, not a romance, and while you can write a romance involving friendship (and it arguably makes it better), it's not here. Susie see's it as a friendship, and we don't know kris's feelings (though there are reasonable guesses based on some of the moments in the chapters). kriselle is interesting in the weird route I'll give you that, but it's happened in such small bits that I'm holding out final judgement on the writing. I'm not a deer guy for my own sake, but the writing is something so far.>he's very good at writing tragic and more down-to-earth relationships,he's good at writing relationships, it's when they get romantic that those relationships become "nothing"
>>741880282This, I would have liked Suelle more if it was one-sided and eventually became mutually platonic. I think you could still have the stuff with Susuie being delusional and the whole Noelle room stuff and have it work. It kind of drags down the chapter for me, and I think I'd like the rape-y stuff in the weird route more if it was the only 'romance' in the game.
>>741880282I've had that kind of awkward flirting myself when I was a teen, and I've seen it in my friends too. Susie and Noelle were entirely themselves in that scene of chapter 4, and they learn about each other in a realistic way.
>>741880752>I've had that kind of awkward flirting myself when I was a teen, and I've seen it in my friends tooyes and generally people still show aspects of their personality, assuming they've developed a strong sense of self by the time they are doing that (which susie certainly has, though it's excusable for noelle because her sense of self is clearly wavering as shown in aborted ch5 snowgrave).>Susie and Noelle were entirely themselves in that scene of chapter 4, not at all, again it's completely character agnostic, especially for a strong personality type like susies. I'm not even saying susselle is bad written for being lesbian, but I've realized that it's not that toby can't write lebsian romance, it's that he's shit at romance in general. Susselle could have been done well, but it is not.>and they learn about each other in a realistic way.in a generic way, completely generalized and able to be swapped out with any character and it would work just as "well".the dynamic is sludge, needs to be scrapped and rewritten from at least several hundred pages back.there is no interesting push and pull for a romance story here, there is no exploration of the characters being performed. It is low grade beginners material shipping writing where people like a scene more than they care about the characters in the scene, and that's toby's flaw in romance writing.
>>741880742>This, I would have liked Suelle more if it was one-sided and eventually became mutually platonic.I think it could have developed into a good romance, you can write characters being themselves and make them have a romance you personally dont want, but it's not good here. This ship may seem to sail, but it will sink just out of port. It's romance for the "oh wow yuri!" crowd, who are incapable of criticizing writing if it contains their hot buttons.
As a Weird Route chad, is there any reason for me to play the Aborted Weird Route beyond the end of the lake scene where you get the 'Don't get between me and Noelle' bit?
>>741881398Yeah, I guess for me the one upside is that I liked Kris feeling isolated from Susie and Flowery being a negative influence on her while he's a sort of positive influence on Susie. Honestly I think her negative character arc is pretty good, she's not thinking about the prophecy critically and allowing herself to get swept along in it and retreat into fantasy and what's mentally easy for her.I can atleast comfort myself with the though that Suselle feels like it's going to go to shit in every route. Not even counting whatever the fuck is gonna happen in Weird Route Side-B.
>>741881741there isn't any reason to play the whole ass chapter regardless, including the pitiful excuse of a 5 min weird routeso disgustingly shallow it goes against everything deltarune stood for
>>741881741we gotta wait until chapter 6 to see if aborted weird route is canon, or just another nothingburger by tricky tony
>>741881741Well there's two (technically three) types of aborted Weird Route. Chapter 2, Chapter 4, and the Chapter 5 abort. Chapter 2 allows you to get the ThornRing by not giving it to Noelle before you fight Berdly, Chapter 4 seems just like a last minute pull out since you don't get the ThornRing for the Twisted Sword, and Chapter 5 adds a new flag. The last gives you a Noelle who doesn't believe in her own agency, knows Snowgrave, and has the ThornRing in a 'normal' world, it seems less like an abort and more a continuation of the Weird Route compared to Side-B which is a conclusion.
>>741881827>I can atleast comfort myself with the though that Suselle feels like it's going to go to shit in every routeit definitely does seem like a disaster, but I think the normal route is playing it straight personally.Also, don't let any of what I say despite personally not liking any of the ships that are realistic, come across as having a problem with people liking this ship or that. if you like susselle or krusie or whatnot, sure knock yourself out, I still am firmly convinced that toby's weakest aspect is his attempts to write romance, and when a relationship in his games is good, it's because he didn't think of it as a romance.
>>741881235The themes of the game include a confrontation between reality and fantasy (and broken dreams) Noelle even has her own fantasy about how Susie really is, and that slowly goes away as she gets to know her better in that scene (she gets to know her better because Susie is her usual goofy self, different from other characters despite what you are saying) We even get to learn more about Noelle's playful side. If realistic translates to 'generic' for you then there is not much to be done.
>>741878058>>741878938>>741879095>>741879251>>741881741>>741882102kris gains a unique tittle in the power menu from the aborted weird route
>>741877129your face when they actually started drowning?
>>741880020aborted weird route
>>741880275found it, its near the hot spring after an aborted weird route
>>741882301break free from this false reality
>>741882301
>>741882134I prefaced all of this by saying there was probably no point in our having this conversation mind you.it's not "realistic" because again, it does not draw on the characters themselves, and instead the platonic ideals of "X role in a romantic situation" which is why you could swap them out with literally anyone and get the same results. you can call it realistic because there are people that would act like that, but that does not make this relationship realistic. "susie is her usual goofy self" no sue is a muted version of herself. not the same as withholding herself because of the nerves or the tension of being around someone you like, no instead she's a color toned down version of who she is.Even with normal awkward teen moments, we know that susie is a fish out of water for such normality, and so sincerely, and to her own benefit, she should stumble much more heavily through the scene. This is new to her not just in that its romance (even as early phase as it is at this point) but it's also like the third time someone has been willing to give her the time of day.She should be emotionally clumsy here, much more so because that is a match for her personality put into a realistic situation.Noelles realization that she is learning more about the real susie and liking it is fine, but it's played softly instead of as a strong note in the relationship, which not only writing wise contrasts her "weak" personality, but also is realistic in how people, especially people like her who are looking for something in their lives despite feelings of weakness, helplessness, react to that.You can assert that it is "realistic" but you are wrong. it is not realistic 'for them'
When Deltarune is finally released in full 5 years from now I think the complete package from start to finish will be one of the least cohesive games ever made
>>741882112I mean, no matter what Rudy 'falls down' and Susie introduces Noelle to the Dark World the next day. With Carol being in the mix and her not letting Asgore in on the conspiracy either it really feels like dominos have been lined up.Although yeah, it'll probably work out well, somehow, in the normal route.
>>741882762Mongol solos it easy, or whatever the youth say.
>>741878058if you go to to the ferris wheel and try to ride it with Noelle she has a new unique response>Fahaha, you can't tell me what to do any more
>>741878887Yeah that's something I've noticed Toby is fine with writing goofy characters but even shit like Alphys with Undyne and now with Noelle and Susie he just CAN'T WRITE LESBIAN ROMANCESEveryone thought Alphys was annoying because of this before and he hardly improved in that department since but he keeps tryingNoelle's dialogue over Kris is actually way fucking more interesting Susie's interactions with Kris are actually greatbut he just can't write a good romance with Susie and Noelle, it always drags
>>741877129I honestly think Aborted Drowning Noelle is going to clash with Susie super hard, where Susie is trying to sink further into Dark World delusions while Noelle is smugly telling her that everything is just a lie
>>741882301i wonder if kris regrets meeting noelle
DOE: RAPEDHUMAN: DROWNEDLIZARD: LOST
Am I the only one who thinks she looks like a fucking demon here?
>>741882880>Alphys with Undynetheir romance is the worst aspect about either character, and when I write the two of them, I don't discard it, but I try to fix it because it infuriates me. I'm not into lesbian or gay ships personally because well, not my thing, but holy shit the loud voices for those that are into it have absolutely no taste in dynamics whatsoever.Honestly I think alphys is an interesting character herself, but she brings absolutely nothing to the dynamic. Undyne CLAIMS she does, but she does not actually.
im a code fag and last night i did a look at some of the new and old work seen in chapter 5.the tldr of it is that the weird route both aborted and full drowning, both tick flags across your main save, your b side save, and your .ini file.
>>741882301>Kris... keep... saying... it...!!>K... Kris...!!>KRIS!!!>SAY IT!!!!!!!>KRIS!!!!!!!!!!!
>>741883140>ima code fagYou're a faggot lying piece of shit that just took the work other anons did and repackaged it here
>If you let yourself drown in the Weird Route, Noelle becomes disappointed and gives up on that change. She sees flashbacks from the normal route, where she complains about being "a Noelle who just does Noelle things."She REALLY wants to see this through. She's putting all her hopes in (YOU).
>>741882880Honestly I thought the way it was written in CH5 was actually cute, much more believable than the cringe shit he does. But it feels like it's done on purpose, everything is hitting Kris really fuckin hard in this
>>741882841>Although yeah, it'll probably work out well, somehow, in the normal route.that's just my gut feeling but yeah, I think things are going to go to shit in chapter 6, and come together in a mother 3 esque "everyone is alright (somehow despite everything being destroyed)" endingthe things he said in the anniversary stream about his thoughts on certain relationships make me think that toby doesn't realize romance is a blind spot of his.
It should be called the PROCEED route
>>741880282>>741881235Maybe this is just really basic writing 101, but I never thought about that. Good analysis.
I just finished main route and weird route.I can't believe I'm saying this but chapter 5 felt like filler in context of 3-4. We learned so little about anybody but Ralsei. I mean, Seth and Aqua are good characters, but they don't "matter" to the nearly decade of Deltarune canon existing so far, the stuff we wanted answers to.Just kinda feel apathetic which makes me sad.I didn't even finish the secret boss yet. That was the first moment that REALLY took the wind out of my sails. I was horrified by early Flowery, but in a good way. The secret boss being Mewmew idol Jpop dating sim wank, and spending PURPLE SOUL ON THAT-- I really can't believe that.So much emphasis earlier in the game on 'strings' as a motif (puppet strings, GUITAR STRINGS) and we're not using the 'strings' soul for a boss that matters to the story?And basically zero FRIEND in the literal "field of pink and gold" chapter. Don't call it that if you don't wanna disappoint people lol. Egg room is a downgrade back to ch1-2. Man I'm really disappointed to be typing this out at all. I wonder if others feel the way I do or if I'm an outlier. I imagine /v/ is just crying about Suselle being canon. (Although, yes, Susie saying they need to tell Noelle at the end of Side A instead of Carol is an LOL moment. Like no, Side A Noelle is not useful for you in this fight, as far as Susie knows. I seriously thought she was gonna say they need to ask Carol. Oh man.)I see why he wanted to release 3-5 together because it basically comprises the arc establishing the trend of Knight kidnapping people and Kris enabling it. I probably would feel more positively about the package if these came out together. But for how the actual release went, I expected some answers after 3-4 and we basically got nothing. I think Dess's name is only even mentioned on Weird route, by Noelle saying she wants to move on from her.
>>741882301PROCEED
>>741883261i was there when the doend function was found and the "b-side" file save system was found. i spent most of last night after chapter 5 reading about what it does. i'm not a data miner, i never claimed to be.
>>741883397thanks anon, trying to improve my own romance writing has had me thinking about what Toby's put in front of us for the longest time.
>>741878736He is so skinny, it is disturbing. Do a push-up, please
>>741882647Susie is talking about dragon blazers, susiezilla, fucking around with a guitar feeling chill and making jokes (not so different from when she was fucking around with the drums) and making pranks about the spooky dead hand. What the fuck are you talking about her not being herself? You have created your own unrelated narrative on your head.
>>741882884Kris isn't doing shit"You" are
>>741882301All I want is for Kris and Noelle to be happy together.
so how does Ralsei still appear in Castletown when just Susie is their? between 4 and 5 did Kris give her his stillborn brother or something?
Ahem.Kris is the Prince from the Dark.Remember Kris pink horns? That's why the prophecy shows "Ralsei", and if Ralsei can be the Prince in spite of "Princess" and "They", then so can Kris, Ralsei is a reflection of young Kris from the first time the prophecy happened/first cycle.Kris is also a "darkener" due being a corpse like Gerston, SOUL just gives the ability to persist and be "alive" in the lightworld to a limited degree, but still needs regular exposure to "Charge up" between hjinx or Kris just ends up as an actual Corpse.The Prince from the Dark will die, is the prophecy, Kris is already dead.
>>741883614>Susie is talking about dragon blazers, susiezilla, fucking around with a guitar feeling chill and making jokesyes, and the tone is completely wrong. it's a susie shaped object outputting susie related data. And Don't mistake me for one of those "noelle doesn't see susie for who she really is so this is toxic" people. chapter 5 dispelled that one really hard.Every single thing you mentioned is like the susie slider was dragged far to the left leaving a lookalike trying to "do a susie".
Wait so do people think Kris & Noelle succeeded or failed?Noelle thinks she and Kris can do Anything with the ThornRing but that was in the dark world where magic exists.
>>741883279I think the only scene I actually liked between Susie and Noelle was where she carried her over the lake. But then the rest of the chapter is just really annoying Honestly I like Susie and Kris more but in-game Noelle and Kris is actually a way more interesting relationship dynamic. I think its actually the most compelling writing so far.
>>741883808They made it to a dark world, or the depths.
>>741883905>>741883808So they were unironically drowning until they sank low enough to fall into the dark world beneath town and at that point commanding Noelle compelled reality to change since they were in a magic zone
>>741883905I think we'll have to wait for things to settle down a bit before we can really dig into it, but that's the conclusion I came to.In the Weird Route, we skip Chapter 6 and head straight to the point of interest, whether that's a Dark World or the other side. In the normal route, we'll probably go to the Bunker first, where we'll find whatever key or answer eventually lets us reach the place we've already arrived at in the Weird Route.
https://youtu.be/OpQai9BKW3E>suicidal euphoria: the song
>>741883794>It just doesn't 'feeeel' right. The 'tone' is actually completely wrong.You used so many words to end up saying nothing in the end.
I want to finger Berdleys bird cloaca
>>741879740What he's writing is deep bonds, which strongly equate to good romance because you see the intimacy between people.What Toby understands to be romance is extremely performative lovebombing and trope regurgitation. With Susie and Noelle, there is no ambiguity. There are no scenes about them doing anything other than being into each other. There is no will-they-won't-they, there is only when. There is no real purpose to it other than its own existence, hence why the festival feels very filler-y. Unless you are very invested in the Suselle content, then you will realise it adds nothing to the story once you see the functional story beat - hence why people feel like their time is wastedI did not need Krusie to happen, but it would have been more tolerable:>It involves the player POV character, hence as a game it's more palatable>There is development. You see Susie as a bully, and Kris is with her each step of the way as she grows into someone better>A hostile relationship becomes an amicable one. Susie and Kris feel much more organic. This is because Toby is better at writing troublemaker friendships than he is at romance, but it doesn't change the fact that it's much better>There is some will-they-won't-they because the Kris-Susie dynamic could easily be happy as friendships as well as a romance. It's not so clear-cut that we're just waiting for the train to stop. It's not a foregone conclusion>They are allowed scenes together that have nothing to do with loving each other>They are actively involved in each other's most sincere moments>There is also, throughout the entire story, a blatant question of betrayal. What will happen when Susie learns Kris has been acting against her and with the Knight this whole time? Will their bond endure, whatever it is? Who will they be when their adventures end?All he'd need to change for Krusie is maybe an optional route where a switch flicks and Susie sees Kris romantically. Suselle needs a different author
>>741883808>Flowery talks about something horrible being under the town, something that nobody should have to see>Noelle also talks about Kris taking her some place where nobody should beThey glitched into the last area/Dark World of the game, probably the Shelter.
>>741884245I explained exactly what that meant in the post prior, but you're too obsessed with your half written ship to level with any of this. It's ok, toby just isn't good at writing romance.
What the fuck can even happen in Chapter 7 Side B.Noelle looks around at darkners and grins and goes "Let's go Kill some Darkners"
>>741884171this kid wants to kill himself either way and all we can do is watch or make it worse for him
>>741884402>What he's writing is deep bonds, which strongly equate to good romance because you see the intimacy between people.>What Toby understands to be romance is extremely performative lovebombing and trope regurgitation. With Susie and Noelle, there is no ambiguity. There are no scenes about them doing anything other than being into each other. There is no will-they-won't-they, there is only when. There is no real purpose to it other than its own existence, hence why the festival feels very filler-y. Unless you are very invested in the Suselle content, then you will realise it adds nothing to the story once you see the functional story beat - hence why people feel like their time is wastedthis is a good angle on it. none of the things that actually drive a romance plotline and make it interesting exist here. If it wasn't yuri (or yaoi for that matter because it gets a pass a lot of the time) you'd have the other side of the fence calling it shit.
Noelle's dad doesn't die in the weird routeTherefore it's the good ending :)
>>741884651if it was yaoi then the female audience would be too busy masturbating to even comment on it
>>741884820unironically yeah, which is why you see a lot of really bad gay relationships in media get a pass with little or bad justification.Not to say straight ship writing is all good, there's tons of bad out there. it's just that the crowd justifying ships like this one are EXTREMELY vocal. the "yipee yuri!" people.
>>741882842>MongolUnc, the game makes perfect sense if you read the lore books.
>>741883497To me it didn't feel like filler, fanservicey I'd agree with thoughFiller to me is something that has absolutely 0 bearing on the main story or worldThis chapter does drive the story forward, we get>Another bunker code, which is the main location we're trying to get to>Rudy falling down/dying/cancer progressing>More context on where Asgore stands in the Holiday conspiracy (a pawn)>asgore gets captured >More contextual details on why Kris seems to be this mega depressed apathetic mess (prophecy forces him to be cucked and non-relevant outside of being the vessel)>More Ralsei development, acknowledgement of Ralsei knowing that Kris is making the fountains, but that he isn't completely on his motives>Contextualized personalities of the theoretical fallen humans, which was something that was teased as far back as Undertale>Explanation of what the shadow crystals actually areI think it could've been way less vague with Asgore's backstory and that more interesting things could have been done, but in general the mysteries that remain in Deltarune can be wrapped up in about a chapter, I think structurally they should maybe consider swapping 4 and 5, but I think isolated 5 is a great chapter because of gameplay and character interaction reasons
>do the climbing challenge sub 17>still get Starwalker instead of princess RalseiI feel robbed.
zesty ahh nigga
I do not care for the weird route.I only care for my FVARKING HEROTHE FLOWER MAN
>when the character is written so badly that people think she has brain damageIt's not looking good.
>>741877129Doubt it actually counts as a route but even if it is it sounds so fuckin shit I wouldn't do it. Weird route is the best route, it just sucks it ends early and skips two chapters.Doing the normal route on another savefile is one thing but aborting the weird route and betraying Noelle to the point she stops believing in her new strength and in ME, despairing about how nothing changed, while also basically going cuck and having Susie save her is not only a shit path but it doesn't look like a completely different route to me either.OP is a fag.
your dads my best friend
>>741885078Shit, I guess I have no choice but to kneel.
Call me crazy, but what if, in the Weird Route, we go straight to Chapter 7, then return to Chapter 6 afterward to reach the conclusion? We're just playing with game's rules in order to mess as much as possible.
>>741885197
If I haven't done anything weird route related how long would it take for me to start from chapter 2 and catch up? Also is it even worth getting the shadowcrystals on weird route?
>>741885417Chapter 7 is UndertaleGaster is the combined souls of Kris and Noelle fucking with everything after they drown
Two bros. Sitting in a hot tub
does this scarf have anything interesting about it in the code? im assuming ralsei will stop being a bitch and want to wear it after flowery's death
>>741885371>wants to learn to cook>wants to equip ribbons nowInteresting how she's becoming more "feminine" now after the prophecy about her being "The Girl"
>>741885562It breaks when he dies
>>741885154you know, you're right, but it still "feels" like filler. it comes across like most of those things just don't matter as they are happening. I blame the pacing of the chapter.
>>741885650 fuck
Kris is doing to noele what he did to dess
>>741885613she's basically foxy from chicken little
>>741885154Yeah I think a lot of the complaints come from how the Festival was being hyped across all the Chapters, so people thought it would be the moment where everything changes and we get thrown into the endgame.
>>741885771You got it backwards. Dess brutally PROCEEDed Kris in the waters of Hometown in 201X.
>>741885371Gaster isn't the prophecy, Gaster doesn't even have a horse in this race. All he did was insert the soul and sat back. He's a scientist, it's all an experiment to him.
>>741885154The reason we call it filler is because everything you described is maybe a twentieth of the chapter's runtime at most. We can cut most of that out without losing anything of substance. And if so, then why keep those parts in?
>the pink key was a completely arbitrary way to unlock the secret fight of this chapter with none of the build up that chapter 1 and 2 had, nor with any of the narrative connection gerson had in 4holy shit the more time that passes the more I hate this chapter.
>>741882301mashing z while holding right key, hoping it was just a timed section
>>741885973He wants the Deltarune. It is his. How much longer now must he wait?
NGL, the Deltarune threads were much more exciting when Ch3+4 came out
>>741882974presumably the clear sprite is in the game files, right?
>>741883497I was disappointed too. Honestly, it felt like the writing was handled by a completely different team.The gameplay was still fun, and I really enjoyed the outdoor section. But Asgore's castle felt disjointed, and by the end, half of the flower mechanics had become tedious.Most of all, there were barely any major revelations or meaningful narrative progression. Even plot points that had been set up in previous chapters were either dropped or outright retconned. Compared to the earlier chapters, I came away pretty disappointed. They had their flaws too, but they still had a very effective narrative throughline.
>>741886164it almost like this entire chapter is just filler with barely any new content to discuss
>>741886164well chapter 3 and 4 were also better than this, and coming off the hype of finally getting another chapter after 2.
>>741886196Take a look.
>>741883808something something bells ringing in the deep
Why was flowery able to cheat? He seemed to arbitrarily have ralsei tier powers. Is this because he's neither lightner nor darkner? Although this would mean the others should be on par with him. But let's assume it his because he's an exception, this could mean that ralsei is also a not!darkner like flowery
>>741886164>first month was whining that Tenna was le bootleg Spamton, Zelda sucks, Warioware sucks, all filler no killer
>Susie is more competently written and kinder to Kris on the Weird Route than she is on the normal routeSo why shouldn't I be evil? You get treated with respect on the evil nigga route
>>741885781Kino.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSzMiq9k2D0>Remembering seeing comments on here about "how freaked out I'd be if this happened to Susie Deltarune"
>>741885196He isn't even zesty he's the whole lemon
if I had a penny for each western developer who I've been following for 10+ years who've released a vocaloid song in their games this year I'd have 2 pennies
>>741886276Flowey could cheat tooAt least before (you) came along
>>741886237the last one (closeup of noelle's face) is unused btw
>>741886237>The lighting reversing on the last onesTHEY'RE EMERGING FROM THE WATER
>>741886276it was a facade, but we really don't know the mechanics fully
whoever wrote chapter 5 did not even play the other chapters
>>741877129It's probably all going to end with Kris killing himself by eating the poisonous flower seeds.
>>741886325>So why shouldn't I be evil?I reserve my final judgement for what route to go on for finding out what route gets kris out of all of this alive.I don't care if he's been combative, I am but a god to him, his thrashing about is but the grieving of a young child, and I am here to save him if there is any way at all.
>>741886276>>741886404he still couldnt cheat death, im gonna guess is more like some sort of smoke bomb
>>741886325>Be a pushover>Get pushed overI'm nooticing
Hard pounding the doe in the lake while she screams so hard at me to keep going Susie hears it from the beach and we have the most explosive orgasm
>>741886463he's already dead, that's why we can possess himnow that Noelle's drowned we have 2 hosts
>>741886196>>741886237it looks like that because it's the same sprite put on top of each other, but it still feels like it's done on purpose, she looks really evil
Kris(t) will sacrifice himself to save everyone's souls, but I won't let him
>>741886452he's been wearing those colors for a reason
Kris lostHis life is shit and depending on the route he's cucked or drowned or raped by noelleThere is no happy ending for him
>>741885538South Park did it
>>741885538At the very least, nobody can cuck Kris out of Ralsei.
>>741886553the distorted SFX was pretty damn cool
>>741886554then this world will fall to darkness.Unless in his death, he has a final wish he desires to carry out. If he would just speak it to me, I would unravel the world to make it come true.
>chapter 7 weird route opens>you're sinking to the bottom of the lake>CORE theme starts playingyour reaction?
>>741877129>KEEP SAYING IT!
Chapter 5 WR is the best thing Toby has ever produced. The atmosphere is fucking incredible.>when you start the chapter, you have to force Kris out of bed by spamming inputs>Kris moves extremely slowly through the house, you can feel that he's given up completely>whenever you try to interact with something the check dialogue is completely blank>somber music plays while you explore the empty festival with Susie>the entire lake sceneI'm sorry for ever doubting the dog
>>741882301it was everything I wantedthat scene was amazing
>>741886605Fuck the Prophecy Fuck Gaster Fuck Toby Fox I used to hate you Kris, but after everything we all went through, they are my nigga, and I will make sure they get the happy ending they deserve.
>chapter 7 weird route starts after you fall below the lake>black screen>garbage noise starts playing>ENTRY NUMBER 17>DARK, DARKER YET DARKER>THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING>THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER>PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE>THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS>VERY>VERY>INTERESTING>WHAT DO *YOU TWO* THINK?
Does Aborted Weird route really lock you a Side B flag in every save file?I'd like to play it but I'm scared of the consequences....
>>741886935I would clap
>>741886426It's not called the Inversion Lake Chant for nothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aWpJSD7-Ww
>>741886875Yeah, it completely blows out the other Snowgrave parts out of the water.
>>741884171>>741884525>... heh, made you laugh.I wanted to cryToby, the master of situational irony
>>741886992See >>741883140. I'd assume it's like Undertale where they'd reference past/other saves but it won't impact the route itself
>>741884752what indication is there that he doesn't die?the scene where he's next to the ladder is just earlier in the day.
FLOWER MANFLOWER MAN
>>741878421Kris preventing YOU from sperging out like an incel and working toward a threesome is a good thing
>egg room is 2 seconds long, no unique assets, no symbolism, straight up tells you there's not gonna be any more eggstoby did not make this shit
>>741886605(I) VILL set him up with Mad Mew Mew if it's the last thing I do
>>741884171wait is that song actually fucking called Happy Town in the files?
>>741886605I'll make it up to him and hook him up with Susie.
>>741882301You ever listen to that Iron Maiden song “Still Life”?
>>741886875it feels like he's a completely different, much better writer when it comes to weird route contenti don't know whether it's because he's got a passion for it or if he's working through something with it, but i hope he keeps up the quality with 7-B
>>741885538can we get this but with Seth please thanks
Susie is in the wrong
>berdly gets rejected by everyone in the past chapters>now he finally has a cute nerdy girl who crushes on himHe fucking won.....
>>741882301I have never repeatedly mashed Right + Z so fast in my entire life.
>>741883140>>741883532Anon, do you know if that Kris and Susie scene in aborted where she thinks they were dating has side a, b or anything that indicates for aborted wr?
>>741886875totally organic post btw
>>741877129I actually think twisted swordfags might win.
>>741884171that fucking reminds me, happy town plays on the chapter 5 preview on the /h page which people assumed to be some weird route indicator
>>741887275The trannies on this team were responsible for the NR, most likely
>>741886237"matome"?
>>741887419totally organic post btw
>>741886875>moves normally when Susie appearsWas it because she's so great or because Kris has to pretend everything's fine around her?
>>741887353How to get the balloon?
>have to wait a year for chapter 6
>>741887476totally organic post btw
Schizo nuke incomingAfter Happy Town comes the Meat Factory
>>741887473It's conclusion in japanese, presumably in contrast to failing to cross the lake, which is some form of continuation.
>>741887275It feels very intentional to me. The Suselle scenes are all very shallow and surface-level until Noelle actually confides in Susie about how she always wanted to run away from Hometown, before realizing she doesn't want to anymore now that she's with Susie. It sounds sweet at first, but she's giving up her urge to break her path and just accept what's been thrown her way.The aborted route makes this crystal clear.>Nothing changed.
>>741886605nurse kris...
>>741887513only thing they taught you at charm school was "no you"?
>>741887353This is our girlfriend, Kris. We just have to get a baseball bat and cave in the skull of whoever is singing that suselle brainwash song, my brother.
>>741887494Refuse to walk Susie homeKris stuffs you into a balloon and does it himself
Why does this fucker do so much damage?
>>741887358A cute nonbinary flower
>>741887637it depends on the item in the first slot fo your inventory
>>741887689They/themussy hits different
>>741884517Killing everyone genocide style.
>>741887626Damn Kris really is in love. Does he also does it on kriselle route?
Imo in the end the Weird Route will be neither morally good nor evil. We achieved freedom at all costs. Noelle was 'used up' in the process but that was basically her wet dream anyways. She always wanted to break free and we gave her that opportunity.
>>741886714Disgusted.I don't want any (more) connections to Undertale. I'm not one to reject "hype" moments automatically but I just can't feel that way about Undertale. I enjoyed playing but for fuck sake people should let it pass, including Toby. I groaned at the drawing Susie gave Sans since due to the possibility of it being the same drawing in Undertale. Can only hope that's just bait for another prank by Toby instead of it actually being that.I wouldn't care if Papyrus shows up. I'd hate it if Sans were a boss. But most of all I'd absolutely despise it if it turned out Deltarune is a prequel. I like a story most if we don't know the conclusion or some future state of it. Prequels are an interesting addition but nothing more to me. Feels like there's no point in anything if we just know its future.
>>741885538T....they're not gay...?
>>741887512>chapter 6 with no weird route contentit's going to need to move the story a lot to be enjoyable
>>741887353how long has she been living there? where the FUCK are her parents?
>chapter 7 weird route opens>you're sinking to the bottom of the lake>MEAT FACTORY theme starts playingI care now
>>741886875>>741887275so how much does toby pay for being a dev anyway? can I join?
>>741887367I wasn't expecting to have to tryhard the game this much. And every time I pressed PROCEED, I kept thinking, "Fuck... what am I doing? We have to see this through, but what the hell is going to happen?"
I guess we should thank toby's project manager for the yearly releases?
>>741887367I failed it first time whilst trying to turn down the volumeturns out you can just hold right and only mash Z instead, but I did it the sweaty way
>>741887804>I groaned at the drawing Susie gave SansThis can't be hype to anyone. As soon as I saw that I just thought "neat, that's that loose end tied up" and moved on. Better than making a huge deal out of it.
>>741887973>turning down the volume>not letting the game deal damage to you irl for maximum ludonarrative harmonyCOWARD
>>741887890If it doesn't come out Jan 1 2027 he's taking too long again
>>741887973wait, you can fail? That's not the "insert 7 side b" screen is it?
So why did Kris make the Fountain in the first place? Could the retard not just tell Susie that Noelle's dad got hurt?
So what is Sans gonna do in the next 2 chapters to wind up in Undertale (with his no-show brother)
>>741886164well that's because 3+4 were much more exciting
>>741887890the new chapters won't be anything like 3 + 4 because they have a bunch of new devs making filler content
Weird Route has the potential to be one of the greatest evil paths in videogames, I hope the fox doesn't fuck it up
>>741886164Suselle is canon, that always meant the death of these threads
Abortionbros...
>>741888032it was 4am, my neighbours dont need to hear me making a deer forcibly orgasm
>>741877129wow one fucking dialogue changes. This must be the true ending.
>>741888052either kris is upset his only friend is leaving him or there is bigger plans at play due to him knowing the end
>asgore in his sweatpants being fellated by a flowerok so its gonna be a full on humiliation chapter i got it>he gets a golden suit of armor and angrily throws you outhuh something might happen for him thats cool>he gets even more moody, threatening to kill the person that made the fountain and made the INCIDENT happenOH MAN>mad rush up to the top of the castle, all the flowers team up in a long marathon fight to stop you from getting to himITS HAPPENING>beat flowery in a hype fightITS HAPPENING SOMETHING COOL WILL HAPPEN NOW!!!!!>Asgore: so yeah kris i dont actually care anymore about all this dark fountain stuff lets go home and eat snacks or something, also member the INCIDENT, yeah me too not gonna say what it is tho anyway ...uuh>Gets ambushed and put in the cuck bubble well done toby thanks a lot NIGGER
>>741888052he probably only opened it for the knight to kidnap asgore (and maybe also to try to get at the shelter code so he could rip it up)
>>741878665keep in mind that weird route side A still has a mindbroken noelle, the prophecy was trying to DESPERATELY force things back on track.but its too late now, far far too late.noelle is awake to the nature of the game, and susie is going to rope noelle into it in CH6.
>>741887548Meat factory sounds like Glacier, right?
>>741887626Lmao i love how SOUL can act like an angry incel that need to be wrangled by Kris both at the pool scene where Kris interupt you threatean Susie and now telling her to fuck off when walking her home
>>741887890>no date given at the end of Chapter 5>Steam description says "aiming" for a 2027 release>previously stated 6 would be easier to develop which we now know is because it has no Weird Route contentwhat if he didn't want to give a date because there's a chance it releases at the end of this year
i liked the part where toby added kogasa's umbrella
>>741887381i can't tell yet cause i don't have access to the full decompiled chapter 5 code and ngl i'm too lazy to do it but we can indicate absolutely because of the twisted sword alone. if that only exists in the aborted route it's likely accounted for that susie and kris have a talk that only exists in the aborted route.really all we can tell so far is the game is accounting for something and keeps track of all these ticks.
>>741887608Doctor Kris ready to give everyone their meds
>>741888120>Susie is the final boss on Normal>Ralsie is the final boss on Weird>Noelle is the final boss on Twistedwe are so back
Krisellefags and Krusiefags. Ignoring the obligatory yuri, how do you feel after Chapter 5?
I don't remember the soul icon glowing like that but I got the left dialog. Did the update change something?
Don't say "uuu"
>>741882301PURE. FUARKING. LUDO.
>>741888256Hellooooooooo Nurse!
>>741883808Both, they succeeded but only you escaped, Noelle and Kris's bodies are going to be found washed up in the lake. Imagine Susie's reaction. Imagine the fucking knight's reactionImagine Ralsei having a panic attack knowing the prophecy was averted but with a arguably worse alternative.
>>741888018>This can't be hype to anyoneIt is to those that are still obsessed about Undertale and want shit like Sans being another schizo boss and whatnot. My point is that I don't want it to be a loose end tied up. I want Deltarune to be its own thing, different universe entirely.
I told you they chopped and served onionsan as a treat at the festival the moment they posted sans making takoyaki
>>741888052He work with Knight to stop prophecy and Suselle
>>741888280i'm pretty sure the guy who made that just fucked with the colors on the left side for whatever stupid reason
>>741888187it got so good, but fumbled so hard
>>741888280Dialogue depends on how many eggs you've got.If you have them all, he wants you to find more (in other save files).
>>741888049Nothing changed
>>741888220He doesn't know about Twisted Route
>>741888052Kris wants the Knight to kidnap people. The fountain was opened for the knight to kidnap Asgore.
already saw 3 futa Aquas on /utg/
>>741888289KEK
what if the angel's wings are fins
>>741886875It is extremely impactful. It doesn't make up for the shitty 5-A but it's decent.I wish we got another Weird Route that actually subverts how we play the game. Chapter 2 Weird was great, in not just destroying the city but also in Spamton taking over the mansion and getting a variation on his fight. Chapters 3, 4 and 5 never got that treatment, and with Toby showing he'll skip entire chapters with this route, I don't know if 7 will either
>when the Roulx throuple has more chemistry and narrative value than any other relationship
>>741888227https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fngbtk0MqXo
>>741888049failing the lake takes you into aborted weird route, but without the usual sound effect that plays when you abort the weird routeyou then get >>741888120 which is a weird neutral route between normal and weird
>>741882301I've never been so sucked into a game as I had that moment
>>741887626Mad Dummy and Mew Mew parallel, I guess.
Anyone know what the big difference is in Chapter 5 if you use violence/don't recruit everyone? Does anything change?
>>741888382>>741888191Is Kris really that psychotic to let their own dad get dragged into this mess?
>>741888143you don't understand, a single dialogue changes with the facial expression looking cuhrazy! woah! what new twist does master writer tobyfox have planned?
>>741879224I don't entirely see Blue and Yellow as romantic. Just incredibly close friends.
>>741888120Its pretty much the Trance song is changing her. Similar shit happens with Susie who starts to cook and dress ribbons for Noelle and act like a Simp in dark world
>>741884402self insert fags are genuinely so fucking mentally ill it's insane
>>741888383>janny wants to banish me thereshe is a cute 2hu who just wants to play with violence and weapons and nothing more
>If you refuse to walk Susie home after she treats you like garbage for the whole chapter, Cuck Kris will forcibly rip you out, put you in a balloon, then walk home with her himselfYeah no this guy deserves it all
>>741888437Twisted even...
>>741888337>if you get too close to the truth Gaster literally tells his goons to serve you up for lunchwell goddamn you eggheaded fuck I didn’t know you were THAT serious
>>741887741Would've agreed if he still didn't actively push it to the point of chapter 5 revolving around SuselleEven if Kriselle gets it's moments, it doesn't stop Suselle at all and just leaves a bitter taste in the mouth knowing there's more synergy on Kris with either of themAnd the insult to injury part? Toby fucking knows this and has to use Kris as the third wheel to carry them around so it gets somewhere until it gets thereIt's a repeat of chapter 4 Holiday manor except way worse given it comes in like a train wreck falling on your head>>741887742It is for the prophecy sake, which comes out retarded given how characters have to go OOC and orbit around on making sure Susie gets with Noelle EVEN after they start becoming a thingAll the stakes raised on Chapter 4 comes to a screeching halt like it never even happened for what? To speed along Suselle with fanfiction tier writing?Susie forgets everything about on vehemently going against the prophecy to just shrugging it off Whatever horrible fate that Susie goes upset and breaks the prophecy pane just gets swept under the rug
>>741877129The one thing I'm scared of is the game deleting the saves like in genocideLike I don't wanna play the game a second time just to see normal and twisted route
>>741886875>Kris moves extremely slowly through the house, you can feel that he's given up completelyThe walk cycle also has little hiccups as if Kris is fighting back against you or the game is glitching out or something. Very creepy
flower manflower maaan
>>741887804Everything with Sans is obviously bait
>>741888337i thought they were going for a funny 'haha they killed onionsan and now you're eating him oh no!!!' thing then, only for it to legitimately be that the big G goons actually fucking did it
>>741888259Yeah Normal route Susie is gonna act like twistet Noelle. I think only dark shard sword can prevent the brainwashing by prophecy
>>741888475the way that yellow blushes and gets all mushy over blue is very clear to me. It's a very generic head over heels for no discernible reason pairing.
>>741878887>the good parts
>>741888527keeping the thorn ring in chapter 2 doesnt take you here though, unless Noelle gives it back to Kris in chapter 6 on this aborted route or something
They'll let you fuck the goat in chapter 6
>>741888608>>741888475you can go and find them in Blue's room later.
>>741888517true
>>741888541that probably won't happen due to the multiple save slots + saving being less prominent of a thing in-universethere's a chance there will be some "tainting" going on like with genocide fucking up the true pacifist ending, though
>>741888380Yeah he's retarded, chapter 6 is probably easier because its reusing assets with little gimmicks. Will probably be a very heavy plot chapter as we watch Susie fuck everything up because she's thinking with her vagina
>>741883770Ralsei isn't a darkner
>>741888685Before or after xer surgery?
>>741888643yes, things like the whole spamton part of chapter 2, the knight fight, the ending of chapter 4. stuff like that. the good parts.
>>741888467Yes
>>741888589>They're eating him! Then they're gonna eat me too! OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!
>>741888521he needs to feel that pain to push himself forward, and he can't have (You) running off elsewhere
>>741888337>promising that asriel would visit during festival>onionsan promising to tell you more>sans saying papyrus would show upI'm tired of all these baits resulting in nothing next chapter
>>741888685cute!
>Ending music is all happy and jolly when Susie and Ralsei set up Noelle's place in Castle Town>Music comes sad and melancholy as it pans to Kris and the SOUL all alone in the dark, walking off together
>>741888120yeah I got this dialogue from carrying over my aborted chapter 4 file, before I even did the lake scene in 5I read an anon say that if you select Kris and Noelle as the king and queen it lets you ride with her anyway, but I msised this because I picked Kris and Queen as the king and queen lol
>>741888517>>741888729This. We like regular lolis here
>>741888809>GASTER! TURN OFF MY PAIN INHIBITORS kinda based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5WJI788BmkNice reference!
>>741888521I don't really get Kris. Sometimes he seems to root for Suselle and sabotages you when you hit on Susie or Noelle. Other times he seems to dislike Suselle and has an implied crush on both of them.
>>741888817Susie is not herself anymore. Too much brainwash from the lake mp3
>>741888289Based and rosapilled
>chapter 6 gets a THE END on normal route>chapter 7 side A is twisted-only
>>741888817Definitely think this is intentional. Kris is beginning to break. Eventually I believe Kris and the SOUL will reconcile as Kris realizes we're the only person who actually fully gets him. And then we'll be truly symbiotic and able to change the Prophecy
>>741877129why didn't you post this in the general?
10 shota flowerylings coming from seeds next chapter straight to your castle town
>>741888894Toby's self insert, and Toby himself can't decide whether he wants Krusie to happen or not and is schizophrenically oscillating between the two possibilities so naturally his self insert does too
>>741888521>teenagers make bad decisionsI will save him from the dark.
>Susie became so shit that I started picking all the ralsei options The goat honestly because much more entertaining this chapter
>>741888517And my cock. You forgot that.
>>741888541>>741888748Speaking of that.
>Yuri is the highest form of literature. The lesbian romance? The handholding? The trials and the tribulations? Peak fiction.>BUT. That's only one part of it. to truly appreciate it you need NTR. Watching the girl you like get swept away by your middle school bully while you just sit there in your chair helplessly. Absolutely amazing. Suselle is canon because I wanted to combine the ultimate highs of romance with the agonizing despair of a romantic cuckoldry sub-plot. it's the perfect narrative cocktail.>Look forward to chapter 6 in 2029!
>>741888289the witch is gonna come and KICK YOUR ASS
>drops his thick girthy and veiny blue colored cock on the table for Mew MewWhat did Kris mean by this?
Your old pal Spamton tried to warn you! But did you [New audio device detected]? Noooooo!
>>741888894he's probably "rooting for suselle" as part of the prophecy or whatever his mystery nigga plans are but also has actual feelings for susieparallel to lancer fucking everything up for king by becoming friends with susie
>>741888980Ralsei's been there for You since day 1.
>>741888980His character development and interactions with Flowey was engagingHe's becoming my favourite character
>>741889072>[New audio device detected]?heh, that's pretty good.
>>741888271krisellefags won bigly by getting noelle's genuine feelings about the infamous ferris wheel ride and what lead to itkrusiefags got fucked, but there is confirmation that kris does have a crush on susie and doesn't actually like suselle at the very least
>3 save files>3 routes>one of these routes flag the other ones>the one that flag the rest makes noelle do this >>741888120 I know it's impossible for this to happen, but it would blow my mind if the other save files got infected and all the Noelles became aware that they were inside a game, there by creating a 4th route.
>>741889072I really hope they make voice recognition a thing
>>741888989>Completing the weird route kills Kris.>Kris is replaced with your goner, yet everyone treats him like Kris as the goner acts out the same motions as Kris
>>741882301Anyone have the thread archive where /v/ first found out about it?
>>741888289>you're a big guyUUU
>>741888980Ralsei carried this chapter.
do you guys think Seam will be ecstatic to receive my fourth (and final) shadow crystal? I didn't beat the knight on my first file so I'm still missing one
why is aqua literally maria from umineko
>>741888608>>741888721I just think Yellow is too simple to really know what a relationship is. He just knows he likes being around Blue.
>>741889030Asgore didn't get that doll because it was cuteIt's made to please
So is Kris planning to kill themselves after everything? They grabbed the buttercup flowers seeds for a reason...
>>741888289uou
>>741889128toby can barely handle two routes and you want him to do 4?
Can the Mercy in Flowery's battle build up and actually cause you to lose or is it just there for effect?
>>741888080the new devs narrative is weak, someone else has completely taken over the project and it seems very malicious
>>741877129>Susie and Noelle: turbo dykes>Kris: cucked (potentially trans’>Ralsei: future troon CHADLY is our only hope now
>>741888992did he really say this? he sounds very insightful and smart
>>741888980>Ralsei in a dressI would
>>741889174YOUR SAVE IS BRICKED NIGGAYOU AIN'T AVERTING FATEEVERYONE YOU CARE ABOUT WILL FACE A MISERABLE FATE
>>741888247Just fucking open UndertaleModTool and click around, retard.
All the romance between npcs is awful shit as well, uwu I'm blushing you actually like me I like you 2.
>>741888383https://files.catbox.moe/859opj.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/whqfbp.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/3ufnkg.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/xsq4bs.png
>>741889201yep
>>741889132me commanding vessel in chapter 7
>>741889128Well, it MIGHT happen given aborted WR has Noelle spiralling in her own thoughts about Suselle>just the same>a Noelle is just a Noelle
>>741889174He'll be disappointed
>>741888271Susie is locked onto Noelle, explicitly, confirmed like a billion timesThis basically means that Krusie is dead, not only dead but like probably going to get you a bad ending if you've been choosing those options. The game will lecture you for not embracing the Canon ShipTM.Kriselle people are still coping, but there's a 0% chance Noelle doesn't choose Susie in the end. She's more likely to fuck (You) than Kris atp.
>>741888989>WEIRDelle is literally going to Chara us if we try to look too far
>>741889174He says if you miss one that it's not worth it to go through with the plan
>>741889185she's maria if she was kogasa from touhou with sakuya's knives
>>741888864>long hairNEVER
>>741877129Wrong.
>>741889201>kill themselvesThat would imply he wasn't already deadHE'S A ZOMBIEHis corpse starts rotting without us
>>741882301I didn't think things could get this fucked
Wtf is even going on? Susie didn't give a shit about Noelle just a few days ago, and now she's doing every romance cliché in the book? This is the same girl who was eating moss off the ground a few days ago, and now she's thoughtful enough to buy flowers? What is Toby smoking?
>>741889072We were still so full of hope back then.
>>741889189I mean, I wont begrudge you such a hope, but I don't see it. not with all the talk of love in the chapter. I'd rather just pretend blue doesn't exist
>>741889264>>741889297>>741889315WHAT?
I'm getting filtered by Pink. Even Knight wasn't this hard
>>741889320amazingly based combination
>>741888349>analyzing human response>adjusting reaction protocols>cover remains intact
>>741888817>chapter 6>Kris goes to castletown>Susie runs up to him>Oh hey Kris! Listen, I really wanted Noelle to join us as fast as possible so we kinda had to give her your side of our room. Don't worry all your stuff's over there and ready to be put in your new room whenever that's done. You understand, right?
>>741877129I saw a pic where the icee shop face changed to look like Noelle’s?
>>741889264This guy in the picture tried to warn players...
>>741889367You guys for real? The knight was way harder
>>741889201It has always been the plan, that's why they are letting Suselle happen, because atleast they can take care of eachother when they do.
>>741888271It's over.
>>741889354This scene hits harder with Kris carrying the SOUL in the balloon
>>741889174Anon, beat the knight on a different file, then copy it into the same row in chapter 3 as your current chapter 5 file, then you can pick it up from the left of castle town.This works even with weird route files, as long as it has your crystals
>>741888120HOLY FUARK
>>741889447>those hairy legswoah mama
>>741889072It’ll always be funny to me that Spamton is the only reason we can do all of this, that slimy ass used car salesman is literally the key to all of this
FLOWER MAN
>>741888980Don’t worry Toby will fuck “him” up to
>>741883263she lost hope for you in the aborted route, she cant even take orders from you anymore.
>>741889535Sorry this doesn't bother me I'm not mindbroken about pronounsSurprised you made it this far considering Kris is enby
>>741888467Better stuck in the Shelter than outside when shit goes down.
>>741888271if toby is still alive can you please let him back on the game and perhaps also kill yourself and everyone you work with?
>>741888337>during weird route if you check the stall susie says no one was running it all day>weird route is the only way to save onionsan>onionsan WILL save Kris and Noelle from drowning on weird routemy FUARKING hero
>>741889509You know, I was wondering how Toby would exceed the rape scene.I was not expecting suicide.
>>741889320she's also commonly depicted doing this ADHD motion (at least in Hopeless Masquerade and Sunken Fossil World) which is kinda like aqua just going back and forthalso has the same color scheme aside from the black hairand there's similar umbrellas in chapter 5 >>741888435
this secret boss has some god damn hands
>>741889483I have two other files, I'm not sweating itmy first playthrough is a throwaway where I don't care about how badly I fuckup
>>741889438i know the knight is harder but pink was pure fucking agony at least with the knight i knew when i got hit it was a skill issue, with pink it feels like some attacks are just unavoidable with the rng
>>741889391>bed not included with the stuff>they just gave it to noelle instead>kris doesn't even have somewhere to rest anymore even if he wanted tohaha...
>>741889353They exchanged generic romance dialogue for a total of 30 minutes over 2 days okay that's enough they're in love now
>>741889283please drink verification can
>>741888568somehow i don't think putting your self insert into the game will improve your mental state whatsoever
>>741888271YOUelle unironically has a better shot than either of those two ships at this point
>>741889581>Kris is enbyNTA, but holy ideological brainrotToby uses they/them pronouns for Kris so people of both (there are only two) genders can immerse themselves in the game
Is the forgotten man anywhere in the hometown in chapter 5? Didn't notice him anywhere
>>741889509He believed in the dream of true freedom like no one else
>>741888271The new shadow crystal that Noelle is smiling at you with flowers alone plus the drowning, i'm okayKrusie had crumbs, no idea what Toby is planning with that
>>741888271>Festival King and Queen story>Ferris Wheel>Lake SceneI'm eating good. Suselle is mandated by the Prophecy so I'm indifferent towards it.
>>741889710>schizo headcanonsure...
>>741889364oh no no no
>>741889248>Kris starts out as the hero before slowly getting sidelined in favor of Susie being made the hero>Toby starts out as the writer before slowly getting phased out by someone else taking over his dream projectHoly kino this hack is truly thinking of everything
>Noelle will be in the Dark World in Chapter 6What's stopping the Player from just doing the Weird Route again if we either didn't do it before or abandoned it?
>>741888467The motivation is right here
>>741888568It's so goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84DS31SMEs
>>741887367FYI, you can just hold right and mash Z if you don't want to cripple your hands as badly
>>741889459Because we tried stopping him but the retard went anyway?
>>741889789Susie will be there, she won't let it happen. Chapter 2 is the only time you will be alone with Noelle
>>741889770Nonbinary people aren't real, just like transgender people aren't real.You can cut your dick/booba off or call yourself an attack helicopter, but that doesn't change what you actually are.
>>741889789The game not letting you
>>741888980Based, bros before hoes
>>741888467it's pretty clear the kris has some (maybe a lot of) contempt for his parents
>>741889894We thought this was Susie's philosophy and look where it got us.
>>741889813the audio mixing on this is terrible, on top of barely passable AI voice
Boom
>>741889665Fair pointI'd say pink is easy to beat, but I couldn't imagine doing nohit. You take a LOT of damage but you make up for it by slurping up lots of hearts and having a shitton of free TP + the healing items are becoming really op
>>741889353ITS BECAUSE THE PROPHECY IS FORCING SHIT.THIS IS THE MOST OBVIOUS FUCKING PLOT POINT EVER AND EVERYONE SOMEHOW MANAGES TO NOT ONLY MISS IT BUT ACTIVELY REFUSE ITSUSIE GOES FROM "dude c'mon we're not going to let the final prophecy happen" TO OUTRIGHT FAILING TO RESIST EVERY ASPECT IN LESS THAN A DAY.SUSIE HAS BEEN FORCED ON THE RAILS.
>>741889332Fine...
Did the soundtrack release spoil anything for you? I dropped the pre-release threads as soon as it was dug up.
>>741889827Yeah, also the fact that the only person who actually wants to help Kris (on this route anyways) and somewhat cares about him is imprisoned and treated like garbage
>>741889939hoes will never be brosYour fault for simping
>>741877129>aborted weird route side A is the true endingdo you even hear yourself
>>741889940t. luddite
>>741889353I'm as equally confused as to why this plays out after you drown in the lake
Toby... Why...?
>>741887556No it isn't.matome is "summary" or "put together"since it's a sprite sheet, it's just saying that it's all the normal face sprites for water
>the prophecy is about preventing suselleyou guys need to stop fucking coping holy shitusing all caps doesn't make this "theory" any less deranged
>>741889125>that pic>all the other times Noelle reminisced about her and Kris' childhood>I'm supposed to believe the lesbian shit is the good and wholesome partI guess unless it turns out that it's not in future chapters but fuck sake it's ridiculous how much more ass the lesbian crap is comparatively so far
So why was it called the field of pink and gold?
>>741889781susie is a darkner dragon and it's definitely one of the big twists she probably kills herself to save the world, then kris (not you) decides to sacrifice himself to save the world and susiethank you for playing deltarunet. shadow toby
NOELLE AND KRIS DROWNED IN A LAKE OF SHIT AND NOBODY HELPED THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>741890010He needs to get his head in the game.
>>741889952This.
>>741890003(not in the sense that it was poorly written, but like, what the FUCK happened?
nigga is dead
>>741889781you should really just talk normally instead of trying to incorporate "4chan" slang. also maybe just kill yourself
>>741889952>Susie when the prophecy tells her she's gonna do badass shit like become a hero, save the world, and find love: "Hell yeah, that's so me.">Susie when the prophecy predicts a dark ending: "Nah fuck that, I'm changing it."Is she doing this on purpose or what?
>>741890040Nah, Suselle is written in the prophecy.
>>741890003ONE ROUTE, I DON'T KNOW WHYNOTHING SEEMS TO CHANGE HOW HARD I TRY Deltarune is not programmed to do anything else, its why the description boxes are empty. The game itself can't fathom you being indoors during the festival
>>741887637>>741887727what in the fuck? was that a secret boss? I never saw that??
A few years ago I used to just stop everything to sing for a bit pretty frequently. I don't know if it was having had a stressful past few years I'm finally out of (and tbf reflux weakening my voice doesn't help either), but I'd mostly stopped.Somehow, Flower Man has finally gotten me back to just singing a song on repeat for fun. Thank you based Flowery.
>>741890010because you failed to get on the more interesting (canon) pathnothing changeda noelle is just a noelle
Making Noelle play make believe while her dad is literally fucking dying is going to make her snap and say some BAD shit.
>>741890097>dying>"let's put up some lights"
>>741889952people will spout bullshit about media literacy when it suits their agenda but when there's a actually goddamn plot point that isn't actually directly spelled out to them for once they miss it entirelyhilarious
>>741890051>pinkThe garden and the cliffs have this color palette.Might be a reference to Pink Flower.>goldThe Sun. Might be a reference to Flowery.
>>741886164Well, the characters got butchered to shit and fucking nothing happened. Like you just know the game is going down the toilet when anons start coping that it's not bad writing, it's actually just the prophecy suddenly decided to start influencing the characters to behave completely differently from previous chapters.The only mildly interesting part is the weird route but it's so short and we're not going to get shit next chapter so why even bother.
>>741890195(it'll all be aimed at kris)
>>741889865The new item interaction from ch3+4 implies Kris is actually alone with Noelle again, unless Toby changed it in ch5, didn't check if anyone hacked Noelle in the party
>>741889978Well, besides the Knight.
>>741890235stop replying to yourself please
>>741889509kinda hilarious how toby really took that "krusie/suselle fanart vs. kriselle fanart" meme and made it real
>>741890230It had to be him someone else might have gotten it wrong
WHEN I SAY TOBY YOU SAY HACKTOBY
Tips for the secret boss? What does the manequin armor actually do?
Does a rather cool weird route segment make up for such a mediocre chapter?
>>741882301kino
>>741887227Nightmares! Forever calling me!
the holidays sure are crazy!
>>741890135Susie just wants to have happy adventure funtimesShe is ill-prepared to wake up and smell the pain
>>741890307Reduces damage taken by 35% against Mad Mew Mew since she's a Puppet/Cat
>>741890292dont fucking start singing now
>>741890289the entire game is now being made based on fanart because the original creator is dead. the flower kids and noelle drowned are so fanficcy it's actually painful
>>741890324It kind of makes you question everything really given that if you fail to proceed, Deltarune super corrects itself.
>>741890003It doesn't. This happens after an aborted weird route where Susie later asks you what the fuck you and Noelle were doing in the water.When you try to tell her to fuck off and stay away from Noelle and him, Kris tries to drown himself in the pool? bath? they're at.
>>741890040anon, suselle IS the prophecy path.
>>741889710>Toby uses they/them pronouns for Kris so people of both (there are only two) genders can immerse themselves in the gameDidn't play the game award
>>741890406toby isn't dead, he's just a hack and got andrew hussie to fill it with homestuck filler, you rike?
>>741889952>>741890235Conformityrune
>>741890195>Thinking literally anything can get in the way of the yuriship
>>741890040>speedreads the game, misses critical plot points>speedreads the discussion, misinterprets what people are sayingwhy are you even here
>>741890324It might have if it didn't end with "fuck you wait 5 years for the next crumb faggot"
>>741890406can you stop trying to force this meme? its fucking cringe and retardedFlowery is more original than anything that happened last chapter
Susie really went and drank the Dark World koolaid, huh? I'm convinced the prophecy was about permanently sealing the fountains and she had a melty because her fantasy life was better than her real life. Maybe so much better she'd stop anyone who tried to fulfill it.
>>741890440Anon, the whole point is that you're supposed to think you're Kris when at the end of chapter 1 the twist is that you're not Kris, but in fact just his soul.That twist doesn't work when you're a woman playing a guy character or a man playing a girl character.
>>741890406>and noelle drowned are so fanficcy Because you guys just wanted a HMOFA H-game
>>741882301I was nutting. I hope i'll get some porn of the entire scene i am into snuff so much. I wanted to see noelle die so much even if i expected something more violent.
>>741890040It's cope. Those people are going to commit suicide with 6 and 7.
>>741889581Porn at a young age is a helluva drug
>tfw you realize you like frozen chicken
>>741890459i do actually think that hussie did some more writing on this one than the other chapters, fluffy fucking tail and zenwatcher are prolly him. BUT they probably only brought him in because they need more creatives now that the guy coming up with all the ideas is either dead or locked in a fucking box
>>741890324This chapter was a return to fun adventure not whatever 3 and 4 were. Yea 3/4 were probably better overall story wise but they were not as fun.
SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE ABORTED WEIRD ROUTE WHERE U LET URSELF AND NOELLE DROWN. WHATS HAPPENING. DOES SHE REMEMBER SNOWGRAVE IN NORMAL ROUTES?Also im not sure if anybodys pointed this out yet but moving through the water has the same sound effects as the amalagate encounter from undertale.
>>741890505>meta wink parody based on 2010's internet humor>more originalthat's like, half of toby's character archetypes
>>741890324No, honestly if chapter 6 is 2027 I'd rather have chapter 5+6 together instead5+6+7 together to complete the game would've been nice but toby will drag out 7 for as long as he can
>>741889581Kris is a boyClearlyGirls don't act that way at allEven tomboys don't act that way
>>741890514Normal route won't have an ending, just a timeloop caused by Susie
>>741890324no, now you can't proceed until toby hack fox and his troupe of trans non binary pixel artists decide to release chapter 7
>>741890003>abortcuck
>>741890389Should probably put it on Ralsei, right?
These sprites are unused and in the files
>>741890697I did both bro
>>741890689Right, she doesn't want the story to end. If she had her way it would just go on forever.
>>741877129Just got around to finishing the chapter.Good God. It's such ass.Easily worst chapter, by numerous magnitudesLevels of lame and gay preciously unfathomable.>EVERY miniboss, the main boss, and the secret boss are tedious ACT-only fights.>Gay-shit everywhere>Weird route gets barely any content and then is put on ice until Chapter 7> Basically no player autonomy or alternate routes, corridor gaming>SO MUCH TIME WASTING NONSENSE SETPIECESI was just spamming through most of the dialogue by the end just to get it over faster.The only good part was watching the Knight viciously bisect that preening faggot flowery. Holy shit, I wish that was me. Both of them.The Anti-FIGHT design is what pisses me off the most.FUCK YOU TOBY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUBJECT ME TO THE ANGUISH OF LISTENING TO YOUR LAME ASS OCs AT LEAST ALLOW ME THE MINISCULE CATHARSIS OF BEATING THEM WITH A BAMBOO CANE AFTERWARDS!
>>741890714Holy shit, and here I thought she couldn't get any sexier.
>>741890714Why is Kris staring at her boobs?
>>741890324Could've been better. Could've had many differences in the festival with actually dating Noelle, and various smaller differences in the dark world. Then at the end they could've ended with the lake scene. Would've made the chapter better overall and made the chapter 6 skip more acceptable.But they had to be lazy and also faggots and any extra work would've meant they might miss the fag month release and they couldn't have that for the fag chapter.
>>741890639noelle stays mindbroken and aware of the nature of the game.weird route will continue in CH6 when susie brings her to the dark world.
>>741890676kris is a girl
>>741890714Glad they were cut, too goofy. Cool to see though
What was Kris doing all night before dragging himself back into his bedroom?
>>741890714Tem probably decided this was too on the nose.
>>741890040>didn't even read the actual theorythe prophecy is about FORCING suselle, preventing it is what the weird route is for
>>741890550Okay, but that doesn't change that Kris' pronouns are canonically they/them. You understand the misdirection there but if you would play the game you would understand that that's just what they go by. Nobody else has any idea about (You). Everyone calls Kris "they" without any knowledge of the soul. This is not a "fill in the blank with whatever pronoun you want to immerse yourself" thing because, again, it is made exceedingly clear that Kris is an individual and not an RPG protagonist for you to project onto.
>>741890081i'm TRYING to wingman for him but the little faggot keeps throwing me into the cage
>>741890704Probably? I gave him the GoldWidow and Ran hat since I fought Mew Mew in my Snowgrave save file, but DealMaker and Mannequin is probably better for the normal route. The Frayed Bowtie has a weaker version of the effect, only 10% damage, so I'd give one to Susie and Kris or maybe the TP bow?
>>741890769>Holy shit, I wish that was me.>Both of them.I'm sorry anon but that got a laugh out of me.but yeah pretty much my thoughts for a lot of the chapter. what the fuck happened.
>>741890505>Flowery is more original than anything that happened last chapterone of the most dishonest posts ive ever read
>muh chapter 3 and 4 were betteryou all hated those when they came out too, you'll be singing this chapters' praises when 6 arrives
>>741890769youre either 16 or 50
>>741890858>imgKek literally meI was saving and loading in the hot springs segment just to get Krusie crumbs
>>741890324at best it made people think that susie acting like a bitch was actually the prophecy giving her brain worms, because noelle realizes she has zero autonomy outside of the weird route, like she was just watching her life go by through a window up until then
>>741890819setting up shit at flower shop I'm guessing, although the only indication we saw of that was the deal with purple
>>741890819He had to create the flower world to scheme with Seth (and who knows who else) for a little bit, and had to go out of his way to get a berdley feather unless he just happened to have it on him
>>741890714Smile is a little too close to friend
>>741890890please stop replying to your own posts
>>741890852they've somehow deluded themselves into thinking that Toby isn't woke despite years of evidence to the contrary, you're not gonna get through to them
Where do you find cool Noelle's art for Chapter 5
>>741890639kris and noelle noclip out of bounds and skip to ch7remember that noelle has a history of glitching games, if anyone could do it, it would've been her
>>741889353>she's thoughtful enough to buy flowers?I remember Susie literally eats a rose right in front of her, even offers Noelle to give her the stem to eat from the ground. Not a single romantic thought went trough her head, but they immediately get together at the beginning of ch5. How did Noelle even know to wait for her at the school? Previous chapters never established this would be a straight up date, it's like there's a full chapter of proper setup missing.
>>741890554>H-gameFair but but when Noelle is repeating Kris name so many times i feel so aroused, just symbolic of course, like always>>741890714oh, kinda goofy ngl, still cool
>>741890195nah it'll be finesnapping at her new girlfriend isn't a Noelle thing to do, you know?maybe on early-abandoned weird
>>741890903nonsense, chapter 3 and 4 were great.Replays of chapter 3 are rough because of going through the games again, but overall it was a great experience then and it still is now.
>>741890550>That twist doesn't work when you're a woman playing a guy character or a man playing a girl character.it does actually. Many games just assume a silent protagonist is a self insert regardless of gender. Having the SOUL be you instead makes that potential dissonance make more sense, so really Kris not being referred as either only makes it less likely for people to see Kris as anyone but a self insert.
>>741890904he's a 28 year old autistic "spy" from a family of actual nazis
>>741891025Welcome to Boundary Break, where we take the camera pretty much anywhere we want!
If Susie acting more like a dyke is because of the prophecy actually willing it then that just makes the whole thing completely dumb. Since before it seemed more like something that was already determined due to the fate that, no matter how hard they tried to break away from it, will still happen no matter what. But if the prophecy is actually something that can will that stuff into being true then it kind of hampers the effect of it all
>>741891004you sound stupid and gay!
>>741891079wut
>>741890791i can't imagine writing another variant of the festival would've taken THAT long, especially when there's already plenty of variation to what goes on in the main route's versionseems more like he just didn't want to fucking write it to me, which is a damn shame because actually seeing noelle act blatantly suicidal throughout the whole 'date' would've elevated the tension much more
>>741890858>>741890913AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, I'LL GET MY NIGGA KRIS SOME PUSSY.
>>741891025>>741890639plus I'm pretty sure this implies that Dess did the same thing first herself, got 'lost' out of the game across the river, maybe with Kris watching (headcanon)
>>741890676anon did you miss all the aqua and kris parallels femkris theory is stronger now that it's ever been
>>741891079He is the most interesting man in the world.
>>741890903I had mixed feelings on 3 (though it's grown on me) but I absolutely did not hate 4 are you insane?
>>741890769Flowery was easily the best part of the Dark World though
>>741888271krisellebro here. im going all in on weird route now. i dont care how evil the game will make me be.
Why did Toby make the same girl twice?
>>741891135He's only going to get Ralsei's they/thussy
>>741890787wants doe milk as his last meal
Chapter 4 would have been undisputed 10/10 kino if not for the Holiday Mansion segment
>>741890714lol these were real? neat. too corny, glad they were cut.
I picked up Seth Specs and Green Apron, what should my third item be
>>741890787Wouldnt you do the same? I bet her jugs are big.
>>741883497>basically zero FRIEND>he doesn’t know
>>741890852>Kris' pronouns are canonically they/themSee, this is what you mentally ill freaks don't understand. Pronouns aren't personal, they're functional.You think they're special little markers because you are mentally ill (and part of a cult).>>741891006Anon, we've had more woke ideology bashing in this chapter than in all the previous chapters combined.
andrew hussie ruined this chapter
>>741891158Except Aqua said they were a 'boy' in one of the chats.
>>741890903people warmed up on 3 yeah but 4 was always beloved, for good reason
>>741891152Dess is in the lake. Kris did it
prediction: when the final chapter of deltarune comes out (ripping off mother 3 and twin peaks the return) toby will announce he will known be known as tabithafox
>>741891285god damn......... this shit is so ass......
>>741891057>Many games just assume a silent protagonist is a self insert regardless of gender.Not really. Most (silent) main characters are males because that's what sells the best.
>>741891306>bashingare you retarded? this is the most fagged up chapter by far. it puts western AAA to shame. it unironically has more gay shit than all of toby's previous work combined
>>741891187Low fucking bar anon.Everything in chapter 5's dark world was awful.Also, hell-the-fuck no he isn't.Aqua is.
>>741890858i don't know how many times i savescummed to susiemaxx
I liked how depressed kris was during weird chapter 5I did take him to the ferris wheel with susie to give kris a final happy memory
>>741891278get aqua's knife even if you never use it
>>741891219>forced
>>741891131Susie mentions that when Noelle was with her the whole time she was like ''zoned out'' or something, of course would have been better if Kris was there but it's something, she was already planning the suicide since the beginning with Kris
>>741891385They're male because a majority of gamers are male.
>>741891219toba really likes lisa
>>741891325which one? every scene i saw referred to her as 'she'
>>741891392>literally calling the blue fag a special little butterfly>kris absolutely seething at noelle and susie getting together>noelle being shown as an obsessive little freak>berdly out of all fucking characters calling people who are into susie and noelle dogs
>>741891306>See, this is what you mentally ill freaks don't understand. Pronouns aren't personal, they're functional.What is the function of characters in-universe using they/them for Kris? Again, no one has any idea about the soul, so we are irrelevant.
Everyone is in agreement that the light world is a simulation right?The aborted weird route is damning evidence for me. Feels like someone from the outside trying to forcibly push things onto the 'right' path despite how absurd it is after these two tried to kill themselves.
>>741890610No reply tells (Me) everything. This entire fandom seems to be a portion of anons that enjoyed Undertale's weeb-ride and then an entire section of zoomies/newfags that saw furry bimbo porn at 8 years old and haven't been the same ever since.
>>741891392Like I said, they're so deluded that you can't get through to them. They'll twist everything in their head to support their point because they refuse to admit the obvious truth.
>>741891325didn't she outright call herself a girl during the chat where they're talking about seth's gender?
>>741891505Actions require incentives, anon. And the sole incentive most games have is money.Toby does not have these limitations, because he's already a multi-millionaire.>>741891539>What is the function of characters in-universe using they/them for Kris?See >>741890550>the whole point is that you're supposed to think you're Kris when at the end of chapter 1 the twist is that you're not Kris, but in fact just his soul>That twist doesn't work when you're a woman playing a guy character or a man playing a girl character.
>>741888942the Mew Mew fight directly parallels this between Kris and the Soul
>>741891524>has a pronoun party at the cafe>the "punchline" is from the character specifically in the relationship with the tranny flower
>>741891626pretty sure yeah.
So Kris stabbed Noel and make a dark fountain in pure darkness, right? You dont unironically think they were just drowning saying “proceed”, do you?
>>741891638>>741891626>>741891523oops yea, im retarded and hungover, mostly the former
>>741891325Fucking hell, I thought I was the only oneI swear to god there's some programming fuckery going on where her being a boy or girl is different per playthrough
>>741891325Aqua calls herself a girl as do others nigga you are just lying straight up
>>741891580Ralsei's cutscene explaining the HUD in the dark world but conspiciously not mentioning anything about the light world, plus everything in the weird route has made it seem very likely.The light world is just another layer of the fantasy and the Knight, Kris, and Weird Noelle are the only people who truly know
One of my favourite parts of the weird route is that Noelle starts the conversation talking to you in her mind before actually speaking out loud
>>741891278Orange, Yellow, and Blue are unbearableAqua's item is shit but honestly fuck those other characters. None of the items are good anyway except seth specs, may as well choose for personality
>>741891696With the talk of growing wings I was thinking they ascendedRemember the last time a monster and human died at the same time?
>>741891638>"this shit angers me so much">"no I won't ever move on from this"Is there something else wrong with you, anon? You can let your personality bloom without adopting other internet users'
>>741888942we're gonna be living picrel soon enough
>>741891584>No reply tells (Me) everything
>>741891627Let me repeat: What is the function of characters in-universe using they/them for Kris? You've identified Toby's twist, yes. We think we're self-inserting as a blank slate protagonist but are instead actually possessing a person with their own will. This is irrelevant to how characters in-universe refer to Kris.
>>741891638Anon, they're darkners.Darkners do not have a gender. Aqua calls herself a ""boy"" (<- notice the ") because they're trying to imitate human beings.They then proceed to call the "gender-confused" darkner a criminal and are then running after her to lynch her.
>>741891778first thing I noticed
>>741891325You're mixing Aqua and Blue up, retard.
>>741891820ironic
>>741888942I want this to be true but it would be a big departure for Faggot Fox who's made the player sit in the cuck chair for all 60 hours of the game so far
>>741891858>Aqua calls herself a ""boy"" (<- notice the ")
>>741888120>file 1: pacifist>file 2: weird route>file 3: ch2 aborted weird route to get the twisted sword>there's chance that ch5 aborted weird route will matter>ALSO there's ferris wheel dialogue for ch4 aborted weird routeI'm losing my mind Toby.
I thought Blue would be Rouxls Kaard for some reason. He was suspiciously missing for the whole chapter but it turned out Toby just didn't feel like including him this time.
>>741891929HOLY RETARD
>>741891843>This is irrelevant to how characters in-universe refer to Kris.If even one character refers to Kris as a he or a she, the twist would have been ruined.And doing so afterwards would make no sense, because then they would suddenly change they way they refer to him.>>741891929Again, they're imitating humans. They have no gender because they're objects.
>>741891929do u know how to read?
>>741891858That would make sense if we were talking about biological sex but sadly the discussion is about faggot gender shit
>>741891824The soul is gonna be considered the big bad and ultimately fail if you try to rebel against the prophecyAnd you know this bullshit always tends to pend to the heroes winning somehowBest winning move is not to play that game
>>741891976he was in castle town manning the club
>>741891801The apron (16% map HP healed by defending) and cowboy hat (all spells for the wearer 20% stronger) are good though. The rest besides the glasses are kinda shit you're right.
>>741891976>chapter full of japanese references and gags>doesn't put in THE deltarune gag characterit's funnier that way
>>741891901I think balloon ending foreshadows this. Susie goes off to have her fun time renovating Castle Town to welcome Noelle with Ralsei giving her a cake. Everyone is having fun and being recognized except for Kris. He's left alone in the dark with sad piano in the background, and the only person he's with is the person he hates, yet the person that understands him and to an extent cares about him.'Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark.'
>>741891778>She keeps screaming for (You) to say it in her mind after her lungs fill with water
>>741891976Was not a fan of the blue tranny. Especially not after he healed Kris and Flowery and dropped that rancid "This isn't a tragedy" line. Rules Card would've been WAY better.
>>741891325Stop peddling that fake news, faggot.
>>741891929Anon, are you uh, okay?
>741891840>Thank you for the (You), kind stranger!Don't let the kids have the intertubes anons. Or else they'll start thinking they got a thussy.
>>741891987You can cope with it how you want, it's a literal gender identity propaganda speech. Next you're going tell me Blue isn't the tranniest design you've ever seen, or that Blue and Yellow aren't an obvious gay couple.
>>741888753Chapter 5 is the longest chapter, with the new side scroller gimmick and fuck lot of scenes and characters. I'm sure next chapter could release this year if they don't introduce new gimmicks
>>741892034>biological sex>genderThere's no difference.A man can call themselves a woman, but it's obvious that he'll always remain a man.Gender is just a way for people to pretend they are something they're not.
We agree that the gameplay was fire though right? I really enjoyed the hack and slash
so, uh, does noelle know shes not talking to kris? does she think that we ARE kris now? i dont want soulelle nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFnfEWZCtQIs there freedom motif in Mew Mew's theme?
WHAT ARE YOU FAGGOTS TALKING ABOUT AAAAAAAAAA
>>741892172Yeah i agree
>>741892197i enjoyed the CHAPTER
>>741891987>If even one character refers to Kris as a he or a she, the twist would have been ruined.The characters in-universe have no knowledge of the twist. The characters in-universe are not aware they are part of a fictional story. I'm not sure what's so difficult about this for you to understand. Toby's purposes for choosing they/them have nothing to do with what it means in-universe. Toriel is not saying, "oh honey, of course i will call you 'they' to not spoil the twist." So what is it then? Please explain why characters in-universe call Kris they/them instead of deferring to meta logic about why Toby did what he did
>>741892128>it's a literal gender identity propaganda speechI seriously don't get how you people are missing the whole >[thing] is positive! everyone who likes [thing] must die, haha!shtick that Toby's been doing throughout the entire fucking game.You'll see when all is unveiled in the end. Where Susie realizes she's been manipulated all along.
>>741892236She knows that Kris stopped being Kris. That's why she's so fucking horny.
>>741889619What's next i wonderFull on genocide?
>>741892249dont bother with these mindbroken retards
>>741892242Yes it's right there at 2 minutes, I'm surprised you didn't listen for it
>>741886875>>Kris moves extremely slowly through the house, you can feel that he's given up completelysorry but, wrong he's actively fighting you, trying to not even take one stepthat's why when you're walking around the house your sprite keeps jittering / bugging outafter Susie shows up he relents somewhat and your movespeed increases and you don't jitter anymore
>>741892280>>[thing] is positive! everyone who likes [thing] must die, haha!The "joke" is that Seth owed Green $5 and Yellow swapped on a dime to enact justice. This does not suddenly make all of the stuff said before about "It's okay to not know your gender yet" any less faggoty
>>741892197Gameplay wise its probably the best, the game finally starts fighting back, even if only a little. Aqua actually killed me once which i was happy about
>>741892278Despite its flaws, Chapter 5 was peak deltarune and no one else can really convince me otherwiseYes the suselle scenes sucksYes the vagueposting sucksBut those are problems in previous chapters tooChapter 5 had the highest highs all things considered.
>>741892308EclipseIn the sword route, after using up Kris/Noelle you massacre the town and then enter the shelter
>aborted weird route with the twisted sword in ch6, complete it>you can't really continue that save file in the ch7 select screen>replay ch5 wr>insert ch7 side b>you insert the ch6 wr savefileI'm too retarded or anyone see this vision, or maybe we just literally have to wait for ch7 and that's it, but at least potential third route
>>741887410totally organic krusie selfshipper sorry bro...
>>741892236it is Kris' soul. christ its not actually (you), same as it wasn't (you) in undertale.Of all the dumb literalist fan headcanons, the self inserting one is the most stupid and annoying
>>741892279The characters aren't real people, you know that right? They're all just set pieces to make a joke or tell a story.You're seeing ghosts because you've been trained to see ghosts. Your ideology is literally making you hallucinate.You see a character refer to another character as they or them and you go full-on basedpoint>OH MY GOD THEY'RE DOING THE THING!!!! PRONOUNS ARE REAL!!!! I FEEL SO VALIDATED RIGHT NOW!!!!My apologies for speaking down towards you, but you seriously sound incredibly unhinged.
>>741892280Nigga just pirate it and enjoy the schizo parts.Dont give the fag any money.Simple as.
>>741892426>UT callbacks>DR memberberries>ZUN fan service>New gameplay mechanicMy only gripe is that we didn't get THE hype music that chapters usually feature
anyone else think it's kinda weird how the game over screen hasn't changed since chapter 2? it fit well there since it has that gamefaqs-ass ascii art shit going on, but it feels like it should've been changed for the other chapters. like at least give the game over art a different "texture", like making it look like one of the prophecy panels in chapter 4.
>>7418884137 has an entire prophecy about murdering actual town folk and your party members, no way its the same.
>>741892280You guys are going to fucking rope when there's no chud twist LMAO
>>741892440We're gonna have to wait for chapter 7, twisted sword is gonna be its own thing if you take Gerson's words to account
>>741887890thank you mane-san for whipping Toby
>741892605go back
>>741892440I personally think Side B means that the weird route Chapter 7 is meant to be played concurrently with regular Chapter 7, as the regular party will get stuck at a section where only Noelle and a particularly mindbroken Kris can proceed, and vice versa.The fact that Side B is functionally creating a new set of save files is a big deal. We can now get files 4-6 that directly parallel the regular 3 save files.
>>741892485The Mew Mew fight makes me believe the Kris DIDfags might win.
>>741887804>I don't want any (more) connections to [the game that Deltarune is a prequel to]uhhh I guess you should prepare to be disgusted in your future anon
>>741892426Chapter 2 has the best balance of writing and the best writing in general (and I'm not even factoring in weird route in this opinion either)This chapter had the best gameplay though
>Flowery had to be nerfed because players couldn't handle the lilypads and charge mechanicsThey simply lacked JARONA
>>7418923260:33 also.
>>741892605I'll be roping (You) to speed your natural process, sweetcheeks
>>741892485It's been made clear that she hears a different voice as opposed to Kris' actual voice when relevant. That fact won't change no matter how much you're trying to act like a piece of shit hardass
>>741891638>The more this gets posted the more vehemently fags defend it for being anti-wokeGenuinely what the fuck are you guys on? Isn't it enough to just say it doesn't bother you, or that other parts of the game make up for it? Anything that isn't literally twisting the truth in front of your eyes to fit some retarded narrative you think makes you fit in on an anonymous image board?
>>741892706"side B" is just the alternate name for the weird route in the game's code
>>741892778That's not FREEDOM motif that's just the regular Deltarune motif"I'm with you in the dark"
>The lightworld is fake>Sans, Gaster's minions, Papyrus are people from outside of the fake world
>>741892874So what does that mean?Will we have to replay that part in chapter 5 once chapter 7 comes out or do we have to complete chapter 7 first?
>>741888446same
>>741892407Aqua has adopted a name and gender despite being an object because she wants to be like a human.She asks Seth what gender they are, since they're all pretending to be humans.Seth doesn't know, because they're a smelly nerd who goes by facts and the fact is that they have no sexual organs, thus no way to know what gender they are. This embarrasses Seth because she's supposed to imitate being a human.
>>741892651Oh look it's my fucking HERO
>>741892748Toby never said it's a prequel. In fact when asked if it's a sequel or a prequel he stated he wants people to treat the game as its own thing and a different story.
>>741892974i'd bet the former, which is probably why toby decided to make that section so short
>>741892759>meanwhile terrorist hatsune miku was not nerfedI beat Flowery first try before the nerf. Was he really that hard?
>>741892498>Your ideology is literally making you hallucinate.Coming from the guy coping that Toby is secretly based is hilarious.
>>741892974Probably the ''infection'' gives you the key to enter the ch7 wr, but it would be cool to replay ch5 since it's shortActually, that would explain why it's short, because you need to access the route in ch5
>>741892974>Proceed through the NOTHING CHANGED route through chapter 7>Go back to 5B>Side C unlocked
>>741877129Can I say that in the weird route when meeting sans and closing the loop I didn't give a shit?
>>741892759lily pads were tricky but once i realized i could move while airborne to land on the next one it wasn't too bad fuck the seth and orange attacks though
>>741892998>Calls Seth she/her>Pretending to agree with Seth's they/them shit anywayI don't think you're engaging in this in good faith
i think this chapter does a metric fuck ton to the implications of what undertale is to deltarune
>>741892941Bro, it's fucking world revolving. Which is the freedom motif.
>>741892998>no sexual organs, thus no way to know what gender they areTheyre flowers, flowers have gender. Theyre also not objects and not classified as darkners, they go over this
>>741892941the freedom motif IS the regular deltarune motif. retard, it's literally the same exact melodic progression
>>741877129700 posts of tumblrfaggots on /v/ is insane
>>741893145Because they're obviously female-resenting? Can't exactly stop my brain from forming patterns. Referring to things as they look like is just normal.
>>741893235Wouldn't it be more correct to say they are hermaphrodites since they are flowers?
>>741891638reminds me of the game Timespinner which had everyone sit around a campfire discussing how trans they are
>>741892440>>741892706>>741892874Here's what's gonna happen>Abort at the lake (notice how this isn't ACTUALLY an abortion of the weird route, it doesn't play the jingle. You are still on the weird route or "side B", just an alternate branch.>Play the game out to Chapter 7 through this Side B route>Insert this Chapter 7 Side B save file under the lake to continue the True Weird Route and get its endingIt ain't that complicatedNormal route is just gonna be normal and actual Twisted route will either be nothingburger or successfully breaking the prophecy without mindfucking the program and everybody in it.
>>741893337at least here you don't need to sit through that shit if you want 100% completion
>>741892197It's ass imo. I don't give a shit about the platforming gimmick and i breezed through everything only halfway paying attention while watching random bullshit on my phone. All I ever wanted is for Toby to put more effort and strategy into the regular battle system. Put more effort into regular enemies fuck
>>741893307/v/umblr is better than /v/itter
Ok but can you marry the deer.
>>741893308>obviouslyI've seen more people mistake Seth for a boy. And you cannot pretend to engage with the obvious gender ideology shit while "seeing it as it is"
>>741893308>female-resenting?Aren't we all? UP TOP BROTHER, HIGH FIVE!
>>741893417'fraid not
>>741892874Are there actually retarded gen alpha people here that don't know that flipping discs over to the other side in the olden days was a thing?I refuse to believe something as simple as Side B is being misinterpreted.
>>741893417I mean, you put a ring on it. Multiple times. I'd say it counts.
>>741893372>successfully breaking the prophecy without mindfucking the program and everybody in itTwisted route will break the actual game, all the characters will be free but the player will never get to see any of it
>>741893417You guys go can go baptized, does that count?
>>741893396>while watching random bullshit on my phoneGeez anon I wonder why you didn't enjoy the chapterADHD zoom zoom can't for a second not touch his phone lmao
>>741893396you are a huge fag, not much else to say. your opinion doesn't mean much to me if you can't give a fucking VIDEO GAME your full attention.Stick to tiktok
>>741893424>for a boyBullshit, I've seen more people playing it straight on the they/them faggotry.
>>741893198>>741893284Look I don't know nothin bout music theory but they are not the same thing. World Revolving has the Deltarune motif within it but it also has its own motif (freedom) which has since gone on to become established by itself. Those are 2 different motifs. The Deltarune motif plays everywhere through the whole game but I would never say "Oh, that's the Freedom motif!"
>>741893424Everyone perceives things their own way. Who am I to declare what you should see them as?>>741893432lmao
Are you prepared for the full-length version of Don't Forget that will inevitably play at the end of the game?
>>741893758been waiting
>>741893758>Dess is just forever dead doomed to a never ending hell just like GasterCruel lmao
>>741893724the freedom motif is literally "i'm with you in the dark" but chopped up into a battle theme.
>>741892498The characters being fictional means that thinking about in-universe world building is mental illness? Is this really the argument you're going with? Let me give you a non-pronoun related example to help you along here since this may be the first time you're encountering a piece of fictional media.Kris wears a green shirt with a yellow stripe. It seems fairly obvious that Toby did this to make Kris resemble Chara. But in-universe, this is explained as Kris wearing hand-me-down clothes from Asriel. There is both a "Toby Fox creative decision" reason and a "canon in-universe" reason. Saying that Kris wears a green shirt with a yellow stripe because they're wearing a hand-me-down from Asriel is not believing that Kris is a real person. It is engaging with the story you are playing and acknowledging basic world building
>>741893614I did it after the first hour when I saw all my worst fears about the chapter have been realized near instantly. The point I was making is that this shit might as well not have any gameplay with how piss easy it is.
>>741893758>implying I'm not impaling Susie with Kris' sword at the first opportunity to even get to that point You're funny.
>>741893903>First hourANON THE CHAPTER IS LIKE, 6+ HOURS LONGNO WONDER YOU DIDN'T ENJOY IT YOU JUST DOOMSCROLLED THE ENTIRE TIME
i dont like noelle and i dont want her in the fun gang :<
My reaction when I find out in ch7 that I can't get the good ending because snowgrave bricked all my saves.
>>741893505Actually i forgot about that, even more that the screen looks like a tube tv
>>741893674Not much of a game if it doesn't require my full attention to beat it
>>741894061time to rev up the file explorer to find that one file toby hid away that controls whether you've been a bad boy or not
>>741892842undertale is an important part of the lives of a lot of mentally ill 20 year olds who were teenagers/kids when undertale came out, which is why you see grown men analyze this shit like it's war and peace or the illiad
>>741894061>implying normal route will give you a good ending
>>741893995Fuck you mean, a regular playthrough is like 3 hours at best
>>741893837>The characters being fictional means that thinking about in-universe world building is mental illness?The "in-universe world building" you mention here is woke ideology. Woke ideology isn't healthy, it's based on pretending something being something it's not.Fictional worlds are usually based around simple facts. There's no deeper meaning to Kris being referred to they/them, because it works for the twist. That's it.That your ideology is making you hallucinate all kinds of things besides that is your problem, not mine.
>>741894189Yeah if you speed through it and don't read anything
Wow, it's incredible how all sympathy I had about Susie completely drained on how she treated Kris like a collared dog
>>741894158yeah not like you bro, you're way too smart and cool to take video games seriously. what a bunch of fucking losers haha am i right, imagine being invested in something beyond the level of socially acceptable.
>>741894189no shot if you actually pay attention and look for stuff
>>741894189>a regular playthrough is like 3 hours at bestYou didn't beat the game unless you held the skip button and dodged every single optional thingIn which you have zero right to complain
>>741893372"Aborting" the wrong route keeps you in Side A, while "crossing" the lake gets you to Side B
>>741894061>What's that, anon? You need to use my save editor? Right this way, boss!
>>741894189Oh yeah? Well I beat it in ONE hour fag. And I had a phone AND a laptop open. What are you gonna do now??
>>741894189lmaooo
>>741894261you got me down 100% bro, wanna hit the gym and go hit on some babes? then we can go study some chaucer afterward at the winery brah
>>741894189my current save is like 30 hours long, god i share a bored with adhd faggots that literally skip and speedrun everything
>>741894216>Woke ideology isn't healthyTrue, but it is the ideology Toby believes in.
>>741891929>anon discovers he's colorblind (or whatever happened here)
>>741893134You can also close the loop in the normal route. That's what I did.
>>741894189Pretending to be retarded for (You)s is embarrassing. Please stop
>>741894476and yet...
