>sells gambling to children>taxes an entire industry for 30%>sells overpriced e-waste, out of stock in 2 seconds>buy an armada of yachts and shoves his micropenis inside underage ponies>gets worshipped by millions of fans for killing pc gamingHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>741885326You forgot>makes faggots like op seethe endlessly
>>741885326>>sells gambling to childrenPokemon was doing it for 20 years before Valve>>taxes an entire industry for 30%Was 70% before Steam. Also Steam isn't the entire industry, but a small part of it.>>sells overpriced e-waste, out of stock in 2 secondsSteam doesn't sell physical copies of games. In fact, it's saved so much landfill waste thanks to it popularizing digital.>>buy an armada of yachts and shoves his micropenis inside underage poniesYeah, tax the rich. I'm socialist, too.>>gets worshipped by millions of fans for killing pc gamingPC gaming is literally saved by him. What kind of retard thinks Valve and Steam are bad?
I have timmothy fatigue
>>741885791>In fact, it's saved so much landfill waste thanks to it popularizing digital.Imagine defending no physical and havibg to rent games cause you think its helping the environment
>>741885326>none of that matters to first worlders>none of that changes the fact that Steam is the best store by a long shot>but I should stop buying games and be miserable because OP is poor
>>741885326don't you have any work to do, Tim?
Still better than Ted
>>741885326so what would YOU charge in your hypothetical online storefront? You're not hosting this service out of the charity in your heart, you want to make money.
>>741886756Brown hands typed this
>>741885326>sells gambling to childrenwhat game so i can call the FCC on his fat ass>taxes an entire industry for 30%industry standard>sells overpriced e-waste, out of stock in 2 secondsall electronics are overpriced, the controller is actually good value all thing considered>buy an armada of yachts and shoves his micropenis inside underage ponieshe earned his money he can spend it however he wants, also, WTF is an "underage ponie"? i dont know EGS fan slang>gets worshipped by millions of fans for killing pc gamingbest service in the game and nvidia/china are killing PC gaming not gaben
>>741889043Brown is the majority of steam users
30% is the standard store cut anywhere in the world unless they are trying to undercut their competitors, fail, go bankrupt and have taxpayers bail them out
>>741889718Actually physical stores take 50%
VIDF cattle out in full force today.
>>741890007>VIDFAnd you are a paid influencer.
We can never get better if people don't actually criticise Valve for shit that is actually wrong.>The absolute state of modern TF2 despite still extracting money from it>Their inconsistent game moderation and enforcement policies, leading to shit like the Wolfire case where it contradicts every other Steam developer TOS>Free-flowing structure that has led to countless games being made only to be scrapped in the beta stage because everyone wanted to work on [next project]>The actual storefront getting more bloated for being chromium garbageetc.But no, let's focus on the 30% cut which most other storefronts use, the DRM which while still shit for the end consumer at the very least doesn't brick your game if you install it too much, and the claim of underage gambling through lootboxes that can only be solved via handing Valve your ID, which people have shit on other companies for doing so.
>>741889895And if developers aren't self-publishing, they're paying a publisher a percentage for printing, marketing, and shipping. When the first sales come in, the publisher recoups costs before the developer sees a dime. The developer cut was pitiful in the physical days.>>741890682The only part of that that affects me is the store bloat, and it only "affects" me in the literal sense. The client is slim and snappy on any halfway modern desktop.>but it uses a gig of ram!What will I do with 127GB left?
>>741890682the goal is not to get better its to destroy competition and make things much much worse
>>741885326still not buying a shitch 2
>>741886756Then why did OP point that out?
>>741885326>taxes an entire industry for 30%I think that's generous. what's exactly stopping him from charging 60? what are people going to do? there is no alternative.
>>741885326gabe newell is the singular best man in gaming and it's not even close
I love valve getting hate lately. Very deserved.
>>741890938Start charging rent bro
>>741885326I never got why people idolized the president of a company. It never felt genuine.
another tendo troon copeywnbrw
>>741896139>>741896018
>>741895594favorite jew of /v/
>killing pc gamingbut pc gaming is more alive than everdo epic games jeets just get paid to spam here
>>741885791>What kind of retard thinks Valve and Steam are bad?The shills being paid by Tim Seetheney. That faggot just can't stand that he handed pc gaming to Valve on a silver platter. Then years later he sees that it didn't die like his stupid ass thought it would, and wants to muscle his way back in. He is eternally malding that he can't buy the loyalty of people he betrayed and abandoned, no matter how much of his company he sells to China, or how much Fortnite money he throws around.Cope and seethe eternally you remote chewing waste of skin.
>>741890147Fucking pathetic,. The absolute state of Tencent Timmy.
>>741899551There are no EGS users, it's all just tendiegroids from the famitsu general.
>>741885791>Was 70% before Steamyou are full of shit
>>741899710That makes no sense, Nintendo doesn't compete with Steam.
>>741899804Tell the tendies that, obnoxious little faggots.
>>741899506https://automaton-media.com/en/news/japans-pc-gaming-population-has-decreased-by-3-million-in-the-past-decade-studies-show/
>>741899804ninteᥒd𐐬 vs valve rivalry is the latest steam drone cope which is ridiculous considering valve itself was always a ninteᥒd𐐬 simp with its ceo openly admitting that he is jealous of nintend𐐬gabe loves nintend𐐬 so much he made the fucking steam deck. steam drones are so out of touch
>>741885326Valve added the equivalent of digital trading cards to TF2, then added a system where you can get almost anything you want without opening a single "pack." They implemented that same system in CSGO and CS2. Unfortunately, the community turned it into an insane arbitrage market that cuts Valve out of the loop almost completely. They regularly take action to bring that emergent market under control without crashing it completely because people would be pissed that their $200 video game skins can't be treated as speculative assets anymore.There's a good chance they'll never put that system in another video game ever again, with how much of a headache it's been. Steam's 30% cut is only 5% greater than Xbox and PlayStation take for their locked-down console marketplaces. They only give favorable deals for less than 25% to companies like EA and Ubisoft.And that 30% on Steam cut drops to 20% as soon as your game crosses $1 million in revenue. If you're a successful indie developer who releases a big hit, you're objectively better off on Steam. Everyone gets treated the same. The big publishers automatically get stung for $300,000 on big games, and that helps Valve eat the cost of offering all its Steam features to developers who never make it that far. Which means the 30% cut is still good for you even if you only earn a nice windfall from Steam, or only just make enough to get your $100 deposit back. That 30% cut means that small games never get delisted just because they don't make Valve enough money to be worth it.The Steam Machine can't be E-waste if it sold out immediately, and it's overpriced because the hardware market is being crunched by the AI boom. It was out of Valve's hands. And I'd bet you'd probably still be complaining if it cost $900 instead.Gabe Newell's "yachts" are marine research vessels owned by his other company, Inkfish. They're all fully equipped with instruments and facilities for a whole crew of scientists.
>>741899835>>741899551>YOU CAN'T HATE STEAM, YOU JUST CAN'T >STOP ATTACKING MY BEST FRIEND GABE NEWELL
>>741900265Not getting enough attention on twitter with your corpo drone baiting?
>>741900349>he's actively battling criticism towards steam on twitter tooAnd no, I've never posted on Twitter or had a twitter account in my life.
>>741900509valvedroᥒes do it for free
>>741885326Other shitty things that Valve has done>axed multiplayer service for retail GoldSrc games with no patch, to get people to move to Steam>required people to install Steam to play retail versions of Half-Life 2>cut Half-Life 2's multiplayer to sell separately>scammed L4D owners by cranking out L4D2 under a year--later revealed to have just been a basic refactor because they rushed the fuck out of L4D1 to make money>psyop'd TF2's playerbase for a year into loving hats, then uses them to add MTX into what's still a paid game>if that's not bad enough, this included P2W elements as certain hats complete sets to give powerful buffs>mocked Ricochet fans by making the sequel an April Fool's Joke>went after CS:GO server owners that used cosmetic plugins, revoked their server licenses>invented the very concept of the battle pass with Dota 2>whatever the fuck the artifact schizo keeps complaining about>approached Bethesda with the idea of doing paid mods, fucking Gabe himself defending it directly so there's zero excuse>Half-Life Source
>>741885326Trying to make him jewish won't help you Tim.
>>741899763Steam literally invented the 30% digital distribution cut. Before, physical sales had 70% taken off by middle men before it reached the publisher.Now, everyone does 30%.
>>741902793What is steam taking a 30% cut for? They're not doing anything. Why are there any cuts on digital media?
>>741903280>What is steam taking a 30% cut for?To fill their pockets
>>741903280No reason. They just take 30% for no reason. People wanting to sell through steam are retards who gain literally nothing and have to give 30% of their profits away because they're just that stupid.
>>741885326ok shlomo, time to get in the oven
>>741903280It makes no sense. There's no way the overhead for a digital file is remotely comparible to a physical one.
>>741903280>They're not doing anythingThen don't use them. >but I can't afford to not be on SteamFor that then, retard.
>>741885326>sells gambling to childrenLiterally doesn't.>taxes an entire industry for 30%You mean like NIntendo, Sony and Microsoft do?>sells overpriced e-waste, out of stock in 2 secondsScalpers buying out stock still counts as a sale>buy an armada of yachts and shoves his micropenis inside underage poniesNow you are just making shit up>gets worshipped by millions of fans for killing pc gamingGabe is the biggest reason PC gaming is as big as it is dumbass
>>741903280>They're not doing anything Lol, lmao.
>>741903898>Then don't use them.I'm not.
>>741885326I'm going to continue to give him money because his service is infinitely better than every competitor combined. Fuck off.
>>741885326>sells gamblingRight off the bat you exposed yourself as an ESL.Therefore I will not be reading the rest of your post, and will instead tell you to get off of my Internet.
>>741903280>all the servers required to run the largest games distribution on the planet>all the servers that hold your game data, their patching infrastructure, the CDNs for all of these>payment infrastructure, seamless handling of currency conversion>overhead for steam's marketing/merchandising depots that run promotions/sales throughout the yearplenty of other smaller things i'm probably forgetting. you fucking dumb niggers really need to think before you speak. think about it. you can either use steam, or you can build all the above yourself.
>>741904248So: paying to use your own internet
>>741903818Why dont they ask for same 30% if thats something markets are willing to bear? If devs are willing to pay 30% what kind of retard would ask for less? Do YOU ask for pay reduction because you could live with less?
>>741904347You can always put up your own website and sell through that. Nobody is forcing you to sell through Steam.
>>741904248Valve has a handful of employees sometimes jacking off and sometimes playing around with deadlock and ignoring everything else. They ain't doing shit. Everything else is handled by contractors and Akamai. And of course, the developers/publishers which they leech from for thirty motherfucking percentage of revenue for jacking off at yacht all day.Do world a favor and end your pathetic existence corporate bootlicker.
>>741903280Why did you specify Steam and not all the others? What do you have against Steam?
>>741890682Because they don't care about the actual problems or know about them.It's mostly a bunch of fags who want to yell at Steam (or more importantly PC users and see Steam=PC) and simp for some other company (a console).It's just an extension of the console wars in fucking 2026.
>>741904935Steam is the market leader
>>741904987Steam is not PC gamingSteam killed PC gaming
>>741904935Because faggots on the internet circlejerk about how hecking wholesome gaben is while completely ignoring that valve engages in the exact same predatory behavior that they hate other companies for.
>>741905361Did you actually read the post or is english hard for you?
>>741905457Such as?
>>741885326The ESLs and politicians FEAR valve because it's the last bastion of truly free gaming, and their fanbase knows this>after politicians blackmailed roblox into killing itself they targeted valve next>valve basically told them to go fuck themselves in a public statement
>>741904987I see people bring up legitimate problems with Steam all the time and they're completely dismissed or outright denied to even exist.
>>741885326I wish I was Gabe
>>741905182Steam sells far less than Apple and Playstation.
>>741905634Valve kneels to credit card cartels and promotes LGBT cancer while banning anime games
>>741905840Yawn, nobody actually believes this retarded take, do they? Are you working for Nintendo?
>>741905928if you are going to bait at least be funny
>>741905840everyone kneels to the payment processor cartel, they're the real invisible hand and they're the ones that pushed the adult anime games removal
>>741906039No. Credit card companies allow anime games, they just hate young looking anime girls because that equals to fucking real children in their mind.No one forced Valve to push tranny steam machine ads and ban non lewd anime games aside from steam's own pozzed employees. Gay corporation and I mean it in literal sense.
>>741904759>get BTFO by facts>"b-bootlicker!"lmao. this nigga is SEETHING>Valve has a handful of employeesyeah. they're known for being some of the most talented in the industry and they're paid handsomely for it. one of them probably makes more in a year than you'll take home in a decade KWAB
seethe drone
>>741885791>Pokemon was doing it for 20 years before ValveNo money involved in trading pokemon is enforced>Was 70% before Steam. Also Steam isn't the entire industry, but a small part of it.30% was always the industry standard. Steam just didn't change that. You may be thinking on how much publishers take (70% in many cases, specially if they fund you and market the game).>Steam doesn't sell physical copies of games. In fact, it's saved so much landfill waste thanks to it popularizing digital.He's talking about the gabenbox>Yeah, tax the rich. I'm socialist, too.No one needs an armada of yachts. It's people like gaben who have no limits that force lawmakers to add more restrictions to all of us.>PC gaming is literally saved by him. What kind of retard thinks Valve and Steam are bad?PC gaming was inevitable. NJudea and AMD are the actual PC game "saviors" by trusting in the market and continue making consumer grade GPUs back when pc gaming was shit. The presence of consumer grade hardware is what allowed everything to grow, from stores like steam to accesible game engines like Unity.
The thing that's crazy to be about Gaben is he started Valve in his mid thirties, he was already moderately successful from his work as a software engineer but it wasn't like generational wealth
>>741904353You should sell all services at cost and work another job (that can't pay you because they sell all services and products at cost).
>>741899763I'm sure that number is an asspull but also 70% seems dead on for cartridge days, maybe less so for physical. IIRC third-parties were making $12-20 bucks on a $60 N64 game
>>741900137Japs are phone gamers first and foremost.
>>741885326TELL ME ABOUT TIMWHY DOES HE SEETHE OVER THE FAT MAN'S YACHTS?
>>741907596Incomprehensible envy
>>741907596>>741908097he may be mad EGS isn't steam, but there's no way he's jealous of his wealth. he's got plenty of vbucks
>>741907027If you ever worked at a game store or department store, you could see purchase orders and the costs the store paid (usually half MSRP).So, even before the costs of printing, shipping, and marketing; 50% of the money went to the retailer.Then the publisher takes their cut to cover all those costs (and more) via a percentage, from 20-25%. That leaves the developer with 25-30%, and they get their end last, after the publisher recoups all upfront costs.Steam just charges a 30% on-sale cut, which means you don't need the upfront publications cost you could lose your shirt on. If you're known, marketing does itself.
>>741905457go watch some video essay on valve and steam if you think they were exactly the same as their competitors you retarded zoomer
>>741908596Yeah, digital absoultely makes sense for a developer. Physical only makes sense once you have a dedicated market. It'd be suicide in today's economics to try and run anything else.
>>741907027>marketing: TV, billboards, magazines>manufacturing the physical product>shipping to 100s of retailers>paying the retailer for shelf spacevs>steam page with digital download, literally free advertising (if your game isn't shit) to your target consumerNot only is it infinitely cheaper, it's much lower risk. Making a bad game 25 years ago meant you just wasted $100k on printing DVD-Roms and instruction booklets for a game that's going straight into the bargain bin. Now, you'll probably recoup your development costs if you sell a few thousand units and won't go into bankruptcy if your game isn't great.
>>741906857Pokemon is loot boxes.Steam invented 30% for digital goods. They invented the industry standard. It was 70% before for box stores.Tax the rich.PC gaming was declared dead by many publishers. Steam said otherwise.
The best part of this drama is that Tim Sweeney fired a ton of people and ruined a ton of companies after the Apole lawsuit. He bought companies to testify that "apple bad gaben bad", and then once the lawsuit was over, FIRED THEM.
>>741909280It's 100% the better model for developers even though I'm saddened by the loss of physical. IDEC about theoretical loss of access, but I miss proper manuals/inserts/pack-ins. All the foreplay is gone now :(
>>741885791>Pokemon from 20 yearsYou never played MTG and it shows.
>>741908776
>>741909719MTG is not advertised specifically to children. Pokemon is egregiously made for children.
>>741909981Yeah, but it's not loot boxes because Nintendo is good, sweaty. :3
>>741885791>Pokemon was doing it for 20 years before ValveWith TCGs you actually got ownable merchandise instead of Gabens NFT utopia of owning literally nothing and being happy
>>741909981>MTG is not advertised specifically to childrenYes it is retard. MTG has crossovers on Disney, Turtles, Fortnite, Transformers, SpongeBob etc
>>741889374>industry standardCartel Fixed Price-point
>>741910623It was literally 70% before valve, retard.
>>741900141Then why do you guys hate steam so much? Every time you try to claim to be idorts, you immediately start shitting on anything non-nintendo. Like you can't even bring up that you like emulators without nintendo fans going "YOU'RE A BROWN THIEF, KILL YOURSELF, I'M REPORTING THIS TO THE FBI~"
>>741913951>said the PC vegan who literally dances around calling everyone a "consolenigger" or "Timdian" if they use anything that isn't Steam
>>741914359If you use a console, then yes you should be laughed at. Me personally, I'm enjoying a ton of non-steam games as we speak. The fun of PC is that you're not restricted to a launcher or even an operating system, provided you're not tech illiterate.
>>741914675>If you use a console, then yes you should be laughed at.This but a PC digital storefront. >Me personally, I'mDidn't ask. Stop announcing yourself, PC vegan.
>>741903280would you rather they take 70%. the point is that they lowered it from 70% to 30%. They should probably lower it further to 25% or 20%, but >>741904353>If devs are willing to pay 30% what kind of retard would ask for less?is a pretty good argument honestly.
>>741915168>would you rather they take 70%. the point is that they lowered it from 70% to 30%Yes I would rather they take 70% and use that money to publish physical media. That was the indistry standard until Gabe lowered it to 30% and sold their customers nothing while still taking a cut. You know he runs a skelleton crew or like 100 people, right? He has literally zero overhead.
>>741915496>Yes I would rather they take 70% and use that money to publish physical media. Does that also come with the ability to circumvent any on-disk DRM, making backup copies, enjoying mods, and actually being allowed to modify the product you bought? Or is the physical media just a cuck license? Especially if consoles are any indicator.
>>741915496ok then you're retarded and I no longer need to respond.
>>741915917>steam and their digital media is why I have piracy and modding, not the fact that steam exists on computersHoly fuck PC vegans are so fucking brainwashed by Valve. All of that existed before steam ever entered the market. Stop posting, tech illiterate fanboy. >>741915928Don't worry, they'll still offer digital, and for digital cucks like you they can keep the 30% cut so you can own nothing for cheaper and be happy.
>>741915496>sold their customers nothingI dunno man, I'm looking at my monitor and my vidya's right there. Some of it literally cannot be bought on steam no more, but it's still there. If I really wanted to own it in the sense that I wanna install that shit without linking to steam, there is always goldberg and GoG and piracy.Also, it's nice that you prioritize your own need to diss digital goods over the fact that developers of every level of A get more money for less risk and investment by selling it digital on some storefront. Nice tegrity.
>>741886756It is doing that THO
>>741915168Ironically if they lowered it to 20% you would see a sea of rage articles calling them a monopoly because no other store can afford a cut that low.
>>741916298>steam and their digital media is why I have piracy and modding, not the fact that steam exists on computersWho are you quoting? I simply stated that your autistic hateboner against steam is getting mixed up with your odd hateboner of digital games.
>>741916390Living in a pod and eatting bugs is doing that too, people that pretend to care about the environment don't change their lifestyle that negatively affect it
>>741916298I was pirating before valve existed at all. If anything, they reduced overall piracy.
>>741916327>I dunno man, I'm looking at my monitor and my vidya's right thereAnd you're happy, right? The meme writes itself.
>>741890147Man, if i were Tencent Timmy, I'd be furious at this budget being pissed away so badly, because they only made people realize how good Steam actually is in comparison.Post yfw when you remember that you aren't Tim Sweeney.
>>741916640No my criticism is appropriately directed at Valve
>>741916726In the end, it became alarmingly obvious that Tim was virtue signalling and wanted to be the monopoly that bullies the inferiors. Never ever trust a damn word out his mouth or his fingers.
>>741916810Then you can't say that digital games leave you with nothing, since you said it yourself that piracy exists.
>>741916973No that's not a logical conclusion at all.
>>741885326
>>741916658It’s still doing it THO
>>741917241>drops to 25% after 10 millionIsn't this counter intuitive, the smaller projects lose more money while bigger games get to keep more money
>>741917025How can you blame steam for digital games being rentals and "owning nothing" if piracy completely negates those arguments? If it's an issue of DRM and requiring launchers, then again piracy sidesteps those entirely.
>>741917629>if piracy completely negates those arguments?Lol it doesn't.
>>741916726>MARKETING BLACK HOLE>MARKETING BLACK HOLE>MARKETING BLACK HOLE
>>741917121HAMINA HAMINA
>>741916726
>>741917760>you don't own your steam game because it's tied to a launcher and requires online verification to run>*implement cracked DLL and goldberg emu*>both these things are now eliminated>??????
>>741916726musk cocksuckers deserve the rope
>>741885791Steam drones are mentally ill lmao imagine writing all of that false narrative for their fat jew overlord
>>741917954>you don't own your steam game because it's tied to a launcher and requires online verification to runI would never say this because that's wrong. You don't own your steam games because they arent your legal property. If they were you could sell, trade, transfer, etc with other steam users and there would be an entire legal 2nd hand PC games market.
>>741918343Why would I sell my games in the first place? If I bought them, then clearly I want to play them. You're asking for a feature that's completely worthless.
>>741885326>taxes an entire industryjust dont dont buy from steam?
>>741918478I am already pirating, thanks.
>>741918343People can trade/transfer digital products, it's called piracy. Selling digital goods is pointless cuz piracy exists and the product in question is infinite supply cuz digital. Steam key secondhand markets do exist though, if you're degenerate like that.
>>741918429Just glad you concede to me that you don't own your games. Sharing with me that you personally don't care about ownership is irrelevant to me.
>>741918804That's the entire point. If you're not going to own anything than stop paying for it. Just pirate. Steam is a scam website for anything other than Valve's own 1st party games that require payment to participate in online gameplay. At least in that scenario a payment actually gets you something.
>>741918893But I do own my games. You literally can't take them from me. Even valve can't. I can modify them, give copies to my friends, make infinite backup copies. They're not beholden to DRM or launchers or any requirements from third parties. Even if my computer dies, the game will be playable on other consoles for no additional cost. That just kinda feels like ownership to me.
>>741919017You would be factually wrong in thinking that.
>>741919006>Steam is a scam website for anything other than Valve's own 1st party games that require payment to participate in online gameplay. At least in that scenario a payment actually gets you something.This is also what I do. Pay for multiplayer and pirate singleplayer.
>>741919006>That's the entire point. If you're not going to own anything than stop paying for it.I don't own physical games either. So why pay for them?
>>741919095How so?
>>741919183>>741918343
>>741918343Idk why you faggots obsess over reselling your games when game reselling was just trading in to gamestop for 5$ of store credit per game.Imo the biggest point of someone owning something is being able to modify it. Farmers have been fighting that battle forever with their own equipment vs scum like John Deer. Ironically consolefags can't modify their game or console. And if they do the company behind the console can and will remote brick your shit, which is probably far more damaging to a video gamer than revoking the license. This doomposting about steam revoking your games is retarded as fuck too because if they did you could just use steamcracks to bypass the piss poor DRM and then emulate steam. Or if you don't want to do that piracy is always an option and its easier than ever.
>>741919129>lie>sealionsI'm tired of you desu.
>>741919267Do I not own my identity because you can't legally sell someone's identity?
>>741919358Since you own physical games, then you should be able to make copies of them and sell them to your friends. It's not like physical games are just licenses with some plastic involved. ;)
>>741919357>"biting a rock is how you tell it's gold">LOL WHY WOULD I BITE A ROCKAll day every day on repeat. it's all so tiresome.
>>741919434That's a lie.
>>741919461>mfw this nonsense post>mfw this faggot probably thought this was some kind of epic pwn
>>741919461What insane loon bites a rock at all, let alone something precious. What the fuck are you talking about.
>>741919365Correct you don't own your identity. You are your identity.
>>741919587Gimme your social security, I wanna test your statement.
>>741919529>>741919563Okay then lets try this>how do you know you own a game?>"you know you own a game if you can sell your game legally">WHY WOULD I SELL A GAMEBtw, stop asking me questions. The lecture is over.
>>741919729If you own something you should be able to modify it no? Is that not a sign of ownership?
>>741919696No.
>>741919729Why is resellability the only thing that matters to you?
>>741919774The lecture is over. I answered that question for you probably 50 times over the last 6 months.
>>741919804I'm not answering your questions anymore. Do more research over the weekend and find me on monday.
>>741919729>I own it I swear >Look inside >encrypted game that relies on console DRM to function Imagine thinking you own something when it has the capacity to self destruct and it's not you giving the order
>>741919854>I answered that question for you probably 50 times over the last 6 months.Why would you admit to being an obsessive shitposter like that? I mean it was obvious to anyone with pattern recognition but still.
>>741919949I'm imagining.
>time zone is in the Asian regionsHoly shit, anon was right. It really is a pajeet.
>>741919985>>741919915
>>741919915>>741919854I've done research on the subject. According to the EU, I'm legally allowed to resell my GOG games, but you specifically said that you still don't own those because they're digital.Sounds like you're a liar.
>>741885326he's the only reason pc gaming is still alive in the first place
>>741920106No, you haven't tendieYou've never used gog There is no option to resell anywhereBy the way, if Nintendo cares about ownership why don't they let you resell digital?
>>741920106>you can resell a GoG gameDamn, really? No wonder everyone just pirates their shit, and no wonder GoG puts so much effort into making a decent specialized emulator per retro game.
>>741920138a lie redditor cultists made up
>>741920106GoG EU is a grey area. You can't sell GoG games, even if the law says it would be legal to do so. GoG doesn't facilitate that. There's no way to do it. You can sell entire accounts, which GoG also doesn't facilitate, but this is actually possible unlike individual games. In the EU its a right with no practical application at all. Because the EU is beyond fucking retarded and has no clue what the problem is or how to fix it. They just listen to the loudest complainers and bow down.
>>741920247Why are you angry? Was your corporation criticized again?
>>741920475Why can't you answer the question?Why doesn't Nintendo let you resell digital?
>>741920519Because you can't own digital media. I already answered that over 100 times for you in the last 6 months. Are you capable of learning?
Why does this faggot spam these threads? He always ends up losing after trying to argue against the entire thread before throwing in the towel and remaking the thread hoping it goes differently next time.
>>741920625So why are you buying anything from Nintendo? They clearly want more digital sales and are offering this practice you hate
>>741917524if indie devs needed to pay a bigger cut, they would complain that valve is punishing them for making a good gamethat percentage cut is to incentivize large publishers to stay on steam
>>741920657>grandstands to his nonexistent audience Zoomerbrain
>>741920707Because Nintendo offers games I can I can own.
>>741920657He's special like that. Just indulge him a bit cuz every word he types is a moment not spent spiraling toward some sort of criminal activity. Anon is the sole reason this man isn't in jail.
>>741920746Talking about yourself?You're such a fucking goy that you think you're winning anything because you have plastic even though it's tied to invasive DRM and encrypted
>>741920826Which Nintendo game can I buy, make 500 copies of, and then sell them to my friends?
>>741920826No, they offer games you can indefinitely rent the plastic forBig difference
I remember back in the day you could walk into a store, buy a PC game, install it, put in the key code, then play it any time. Steam changed all that by tying games to your steam account and requiring you to be online to play them. It is better than the worse alternative (lol starforce), but at the end of the day it still popularized DRM.
>>741920917None. But if you're actually serious, chat them up. I'm sure they have some IPs they might be willing to sell.
>>741920330nah i was there
>>741920917I sold my switch lite and games for $450 on facebook.
>>741920942I don't believe you because I already know the truth. Your attempt to fool/troll me didn't work.
>>741920876Please calm down. You're becomming inconsolable in a discussion over toys.
>>741921054If you're not indefinitely renting then why are your rights indifferent to that of a rental?
>>741885326anyone notice ever since they added a filter for ai generated content these hate posts started?
>>741921110You consider toys a stock optionPathetic Grow up
>>741921112>>741921054
>>741921195Okay tendierenter
>>741885326Don't forget bowing to censorship
>>741921165Your opinion is noted.
>>741921004So will they sell me the rights to Metroid, for example, for about 60 dollars? They ARE pro-consumer, right? And they don't charge more than that to own their games. they're not like sony, who charges 80 bucks.
>>741885791>I'm socialistyikes!
>>741921259But it's a factYou consider toys that are made for nonverbal developing children as a stock option So you hold onto cereal boxes too?
>>741888765who dat?
>>741921393No but I do collect and grade rare trading cards and sell them on my ebay store
>>741921548Do you not feel embarrassed telling anyone you're suffering from arrested development?
>>741921338I suggest you research the difference between IP and the media made using that IP. Your confusion stems from not knowing the difference.
>>741921635Adults don't get embarassed over discussing their hobbies and interests
>>741921752Adults don't collect cards made for childrenQuentin was right about tendies
>>741921678But you said Nintendo sells you ownership of their IPs. I've done more research, and even if I paid more, Nintendo refuses to sell me Metroid and Zelda.You lied, you told me they would sell me ownership of their IPs.
>>741921817Demoralization doesn't work on me.
Gabe lives rent free in the mind of consolecuckoldsI hope he gets his own personal SuperYatch Super Armada.
>>741921831>But you said Nintendo sells you ownership of their IPs.Yes?>I've done more research, and even if I paid more, Nintendo refuses to sell me Metroid and Zelda.Indeed, they would never sell those specific IPs>You lied, you told me they would sell me ownership of their IPs.Nintendo probably would sell some of the lesser known IPs. Ask them.
>>741920038Eric is a Snoy neet who does it 4free
>>741921990But it doesYou're so anally destroyed that you're spending your free time trying to get others into collecting obsolete plastic Enjoy Nintendo phasing out physical btw
>>741922013Shit wrong pic
>>741922103No it doesn't lol.
>>741922091I've researched. They won't even sell the rights to obscure shit they made in the 90s. Companies like them refuse to sell even a single IP. Like when I asked Enix if they would ever sell the rights to mischief Maker, and never got a reply.I guess you don't own physical console games, since the companies refuse to sell them to you. Shame.
>>741885326You forgot>Bans japanese games
>>741922189If you weren't demoralised you wouldn't feel the need to propagandiseYou're losing and you know it
I like that he's still here seething that people use steam.
>>741922141>shit wron-ACKhttps://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
>>741922225>>741921678
>>741903280What are Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Apple, and Google taking 30% for? What is Epic taking 12% for? They're not doing anything. Why are there any cuts on digital media?
>>741885326>>741885543and yet no other company can compete with him. curious how you never post alternatives, it's easy to shit on them but then everyone else is worse.
>>741922275Nothing I said was propaganda. That would imply I'm lying or only presenting limited information.
>>741922378Epic shouldn't even be brought upThe store is bleeding money and is only kept afloat by fortniteThey're not someone you should be taking business advice from
>>741922318DRM or the lack thereof has nothing to do with media ownership. DRM is an IP rights protection. Media is a different thing from IP.
>>741920657He's a jeet subhuman with a love for Snoys corpo cock and a microboner for Valve and Nintendo. Let him shit up the walls of the board like the lolcow he is.It's hilarious
>>741885326You have missed the CS skin market rugpull and how Steam.exe is literally an spyware. ToS confirm that they can whatever they want with the data collected.
>>741885326t. tim peeney
>>741922429But it is propagandaNo one sane would consider the sorry state of console physical ownership if you're not allowed to alter your property or decide how to use it You have a rental you can sell, that's about it
>>741922487even fortnite is failing right nowthis past season was an absolute shitshow and they're cutting off the limbs in desperation to maintain their disney deal, which keeps making the game worse
>>741922497If I own a physical copy of the game, do I not have a right to demand that the DRM be removed?
>>741922497Unless it's on the IP is on public domain, you don't own it you brown retard.
>>741922557>the CS skin market rugpullBased as fuck
>>741922675As far as I know there are no public domain video games than anyone here plays.
>>741900834>whatever the fuck the artifact schizo keeps complaining aboutTHIS.In March 2018, Gabe Newell held a presentation on Artifact claiming there would be regular expansions, an eventual mobile release, and a $1 million tournament, all of which ultimately failed to materialize.https://youtube.com/watch?v=mERhtoD21rUIn August of that year, Gabe Newell repeated the claim of an Artifact tournament during the opening of The International: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X4xYOmUwad0In March 30, 2020, Valve announced Artifact Beta 2.0, stating they planned for a closed beta (which happened), transitioning to an open beta and later full release (which didn’t).https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/583950/view/2102558993190369210In December 17, 2020, Valve stated they would allow users to invite friends to the Artifact 2.0 beta in January.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1269260/view/2951510987408670526In March 4, 2021, Valve formally abandoned Artifact. No expansions, no mobile version, no million-dollar tournament, not even something as basic as allowing users to invite friends to the beta in January like they said they would.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/583950/view/3047218819080842820Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>>741922901GoodAll card niggers deserve to be rounded up in one room and slowly and painfully poisoned to death
>>741922632No, you don't own physical either, never have due to copy protection. You own a license, a copy of a game with limited usage by the publisher.That's always been the transaction.You know what you own though?Digital DRM free games with which you can modify the files and burn multiple physical copies.That's true freedom, and unless you're a pirate, it's something you'll never find on the corpo owned shit bricks that are consoles. You own
>>741922632Another grey area. All media is allowed to be backed up digitally DRM free. Depending on the era you may have to wait for the hardware it runs on to be cracked to do this. Corporations don't facilitate this completely legal action.
>>741923050*except GoG, they facilitate this
>>741922973All false.
>>7419228280ADFreeCivLugaruOpenTTDSCP Containment BreachSpace Station 14SoldatWarzone 2100Xonotic
>>741922901based artifact godhope you manage to get a settlement from gaybe jewell for legally lying to you
>>741923138No matter how many times you repeat it it won't be true
You guys broke this poor faggot. He can't even muster up the energy to reply with enthusiasm but he can't stop himself.
>>741923185Literally in the manual of every PS1 gamecope
>>741885326>competition continues to shoot itself in the face
>>741923275ITS NOT TROO!
If we read console EULAs, it's clear as day that give you ownership, and it's not just a license and......OH NON NO NO NO NO
Fuck Steam.Fuck GTA 6.and fuck digital crap that you can't resell or even own.
>>741923275GoGs entire competitive advantage is that they facilitate the archival backups that are allowed by law. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>741923412>>741923691First Sale Docterine overrules any corporations EULA, my child.
>>741923804Backups which you're not allowed to give to anyone you fucking idiotWhy are you pivoting away from reselling?
>>741923872Where's first sale doctrine overriding nintendo's digital?
>>741885326https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality>A cult of personality, or a cult of the leader,[1] is the result of an effort to create an idealized and heroic image of an admirable leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise
>>741923460timmy is terrified of being in the wrong side of history again after abandoning PC and has a complex about it, but he still keeps doing it anyway
>>741924034Look it up, sealion.
>>741923948>Backups which you're not allowed to give to anyone you fucking idiotI know. >Why are you pivoting away from reselling?Am I not allowed to discuss things not relating to reselling, my hot headed child?
>>741885326>buy an armada of yachtsHe also sent a bunch of fags in the middle of nowhere to secretly develop HL3
>>741918343>rty. If they were you could sell, trade, transfer, etc.>etc.my favorite thing to do with property.I can trade dota 2 and CSGO cosmetics to purchase video game licenses with, good enough.>>741919357I have multiple games that became delisted on steam and I can still download them whenever I want, retarded niggershils from depths of mumbai slums have no answer to that>>741921548>>741922557>playing cards>CS skins stock marketYou belong in a concentration camp just so you nearly starve to death while smashing rocks and chopping trees with hopes you learn something about things that matter in life and value of labor.
>>741925182>research it>law says that you don't own physical games either, and they're just licenses that can be taken away at any timeuh oh.
>>741925968Source?
>>741925925>I can trade dota 2 and CSGO cosmetics to purchase video game licenses with, good enoughJust be careful, steam forbids this and can lead to banning your account. >You belong in a concentration camp just so you nearly starve to death while smashing rocks and chopping trees with hopes you learn something about things that matter in life and value of labor.Thanks for the advice, weirdly angry person!
>>741885326I hope his yacht breaks down 500 miles off the coast
>>741926460Nintendo's own EULA.>>741923691Which trounces US law since Nintendo has infinite money.
>>741906217So what, your claim is the lies on their official statements on the matter? Don’t forget your tinfoil hat on the way back.
>>741926704>>741923872
>>741906857His yachts are primarily scientific vessels.
>>741926785That's how you write off the entire purchase value of a yahct on your taxes.
>>741885326Get some sleep, Mr. Sweeney. Just focus on optimizing Unreal Engine 6. Also, how about doing something to revive ZZT?
>>741926780Nope, Nintendo has overturned first sale doctrine in Japan, and they're using that in their legal battles in the US. See: their outlawing of rentals.
>muh yachtsWhen did it become a bad thing for billionaires to spend their money and employ people rather than hoard their wealth in loan documents and tax havens?
>>741917524It’s not from a business standpoint, no. They do have costs to recoup on servers and shit.
>>741885326[Sad News] All EGS shills have been fired as Tim Sweeney discovers that one butthurt tendie will do their jobs for free.
>>741926925It's only okay when they make pointless theme parks and low quality illumination movies.
>>741926873You are a conspiracy nut. The yachts get used for that purpose.
>>741885326didn't make any single player games for 15 years, that's his biggest sin.
>>741885326He also won a court battle against the RothschildsHe is literally god
>>741927317Even ai slop gave him jew nose lmao
>>741926896I live in USA
>>741927170Are you saying Gabe doesn't use the fact that these yahtchs are also use for research as a tax write-off when he could do that legally? Are you calling him a moron?
>>741927559Won't help you. Nintendo is using japanese patent laws and precedent to attack Palworld in the US, and guess who's winning?
>>741927442>pol/thread/537360833/is-gabe-newell-jewish#bottom>a popular poltard thread calling him out got delete.yep, he's definitely is
>>741900265you are fucking subhumanEpic is going to eternally fail, EGS will not exist within 5 years.
>>741927704>Won't help you.It will. I'm protected by the First Sale Docterine.
>>741925243Yes, stay on subject tendie apeYou know what allows backups? SteamYour precious toddler slop company doesn't
>>741927825>implying I don't hope every digital only storefront collapses, inclusing Epic and GoG
>>741927926Clearly not, if Nintendo can control your purchase even after you buy it. Unless you can make backups and modify your game to run on unapproved hardware.
>>741927683I‘m not. Doesn’t change that they are science vessels primarily.
>>741927971>You know what allows backups?Section 117 of the U.S. Copyright Office>Your precious toddler slop company doesn'tNo one does but GoG.
>>741925182So it doesn't Nintendo has the right to revoke it at any time by tying your license to the accountAnd considering all tendie plastic is identifiable they could just push an update to do that
>>741928046They're his dwelling and office, primarily. They double as research vessels so he can get a tax write-off.
>>741928051Ok, show me the way to officially back up Nintendo gamesSteam has a button to do this, why doesn't Nintendo?
>>741928104>Nintendo has the right to revoke it at any time by tying your license to the accountNo they don't. They have a conditional right if I willingly forfeit my own rights by uaing their software to steal from them.
>>741885326>>sells gambling to childrenNo children play CS or hat simulator, it's mostly russian adults who make money reselling these than working a day job in their shithole.>>taxes an entire industry for 30%Your "based Nintendo" also takes 30%.>>sells overpriced e-waste, out of stock in 2 secondsScalper. Also the komodo machine is cheaper than actual PC in Japan.>>buy an armada of yachts and shoves his micropenis inside underage poniesFail to see the problem he can do whatever he want to do with his money and I doubt he's a furry.>>gets worshipped by millions of fans for killing pc gamingNobody is worshiping him and Steam didn't "kill" pc gaming, it just made pc a viable platform to the point console fanboys like you are seething all day long about it.
Gayben will save PC gayming or die trying
>>741928258you're missing the point retard, if nintedno wants to lock you out they can and you can't do jack shit about it
>>741928170Nintendo doesn't allow it. I already knew that.
>>741928269>>>sells gambling to children>No children play CS or hat simulator, it's mostly russian adults who make money reselling these than working a day job in their shithole.See fortnite. Gabe create and allowed this standards.>>>taxes an entire industry for 30%>Your "based Nintendo" also takes 30%.Gabe create and allowed this standards.>>>sells overpriced e-waste, out of stock in 2 seconds>Scalper. Also the komodo machine is cheaper than actual PC in Japan.Gabe create and allowed this standards.>>>buy an armada of yachts and shoves his micropenis inside underage ponies>Fail to see the problem he can do whatever he want to do with his money and I doubt he's a furry.Gabe create and allowed this standards.>>>gets worshipped by millions of fans for killing pc gaming>Nobody is worshiping him and Steam didn't "kill" pc gaming, it just made pc a viable platform to the point console fanboys like you are seething all day long about it.Gabe create and allowed this standards.
>>741928386So can Valve and anyone else with a digital store.
>>741916726timmy probably orchestrated it
>>741928459they can lock your physical games as well
>>741928414You are fucking retarded lmao.
>>741890147>Disrupt Steam's organic trafficlol even THEY acknowledged that Steam's userbase is organic and EGS' is not
>>741928565No, that's never happening to me. They may be able to do that to someone who stole from them by abusing their software but that isn't me.
>>741885326>shoves his micropenis inside underage poniesAre the fillies hot?
>>741885326>imagine if sony used the money generated by the PS1 success to foment all kind of degenerate gaming industry practicesSteam was a mistake. Gabe is a selfish jew
>>741885326Every day, every hour, every single minute there must be a thread seething about Valve. Is Gaben Newell that much of a threat to (((national security)))?
>>741928876the point is that they can do it if they chose. your physical games are not yours and are not safe
>>741906217i still cant buy anything on dlsite with a visa. so idk what ur on about
>>741929046If your company is not owned by the same 3 investement companies your company doesn't have the to be successful or even exist goy.
>>741906217>Buys a Switch filled with censored gamesKill yourself
>>741929046Valve reap what they sow. If Valve wasn't a dysfunctional skeleton crew of a rent seeking corporation and made hl3, l4d3, portal 3, tf3 etc. etc. we would be getting threads talking about those not how their latest steam machine is a scam or ceo buying another yacht or some tranny at valve banning another anime game for no reason.
I don't know what's going on here, but all I know is i'm pretty based and have a very big penis.
>>741929303OP is already salivating
>>741922557>how Steam.exe is literally an spywareThe Epic Game Store client is literally a spyware that scrubs your PC for Steam data (their #1 competitor) every time it boots up.Or have you conveniently forgotten about this already?
>>741885326now imagine if Valve was public
>>741928392So Nintendo is being anticonsumer and breaking the law by not allowing backups? In addition to their extremely limited licenses? Thanks for admitting that
>>741926951kek
>>741929079I'm not worried at all.
It's also unfortunate that nobody at Valve gives any fucks about TF2 anymore.
>>741929968Yes they're anti consumer in that regard.
>>741886756>Imagine defending no physicalJust buy a fucking disk and burn in, pony.Its that shrimple.
>>741928258But they do have a right to update the game and tie physical to your account, thus bypassing first sale doctrine In fact, you have no right to hold onto old versions of your games
>>741885326>win a lawsuit against Rothshild>suddenly several seething fake outrage threads on daily basisI'm noticing.
>>741929772You got laughed out of threads last year when you posted this lol
>>741905361>Steam killed PC gamingzoomies can never comprehend how shit things were when EA was under control.
>>741930169https://tech.yahoo.com/cybersecurity/articles/playstation-account-hacking-problem-getting-125849740.html
>>741930080the only company to jail people for modding thier games or make fanarts of their games in japanenjoy your hard earned freedom nigga
>>741930087That will literally never happen to me. You may as well tell me to watch out for being sentenced death for a crime.
>>741930258>EA Microsoft you faggotMicrosoft, Windows Vista and GFWL being forced upon PC users were all of the reasons why Steam thrived.
>>741930052>WOW, WHY DID THEY CONTINUALLY UPDATE THIS 20 YEAR OLD GAME? WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE CONSTANT REHASHED SEQUELS AND CHARGE 80 BUCKS FOR EACHTF2 continues to make haters angry to this day.
>>741903280They're charging for access to their enormous customer base that consists of almost the entire PC gaming market. They have all the customers because they're a monopoly that illegally suppresses price competition.
>>741930350No those people went to jail for mass producing and profiteering from unlicensed hardware and media. They didn't go to jail for simply modding hardware and making art.
>>741930351But you don't have to do anything?They can simply use the cartridge's serial number and tie it to your account, making it impossible to play on any up to date switches that aren't yours and bypassing first sale doctrine since it's not actually legally required as evidenced by digital not having it
>>741930371noooooo nigga how EA were in charge of selling games and being a shitty publisher. you are right but we are talking about distribution here my nigga
>>741930486Retail was 50% cope Timmy
>>741930491>But you don't have to do anything?I would have to violate terms and conditions.
>buy steam deck>has 14gbs of memory>steam takes 2-3 to ru >can barely play games that have a mon req of 8 like cyberpunk, but can play them>every update makes the passive ram drain worse>eventually it gets up to 3.5>cant play 8gb games anymore>always use a dock to play on my tv>firmware update from the 24th broke all the usb slots>no games, no mouse, no keyboard>no recourseWithout knowing anything else about current thing, I'm also ready to say fuck Steam/ Gabe/ etc.
>>741930535EA was never in control despite their releases being filled with Starforce Ruskie spyware cancer that raped your OS, which also pushed more people to buy from Steam.
>>741916464Except for EGS (Steam's only actual competitor) who take a 12% cut, but developers are unable to charge lower prices without losing access to Steam due to Valve's illegal anti-competitive policies.
>>741930169>last yearThe last time that webm was posted was back in 2022.https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/image/IIBZSzM2ok9iZOExY-aZKw/Lying is the first thing you instinctively do, huh
>>741930631>Anti competitiveThey ask for price parity, that's it
>>741930631>(Steam's only actual competitor)
>>741930616they were with physical releases. You could either fill the shelves yourself, or you could have EA as publisher. They were banking hard after dethroning Sierra.Valve with Steam pushed for online publishing, which fucked EA.
>>741930734>They prohibit other stores from competing with them, that's it>>741930771Yeah no one uses EGS and they can't compete, that's my point
>>741885326Gabe was cool when he collected knives and had big monitors. Him being a yacht collector makes him extremely unlikable IMO. If you collect extremely expensive shit like that people will view you as an out of touch elite snob, Unhumble and narcissistic.If Gabe had a cool sail boat that'd be neat. Instead he has a fleet of Zuckerberg tier yachts Which makes him seem no different than Zuck or Bezos or MuskAnd a lot of people hate those guys.
>>741930853That will be dependent on the region, where I lived they had a sizeable shelf space, but there was always way more stuff not published by them.
>>741930489again, jail time for what can be a cease and desist is excessive. Jail is reserve for the worst of people, not for someone tryna make a living through selling pixels on a fucking vidya
>>741930673Nta, EGS is turboshit and tim is a massive retard but let's not get dishonest here.
>>741930981nigga get your third world poor fag horseshit outta here we talking about the US of A my nigga
>>741930924How is that preventing anyone from competing? GOG exists, Zoom exists, provide a good fucking service or stop existing.First it was:>STOP COMPLAINING PC IS NOT A VIABLE PLATFORM IT'S JUST PIRATES!Now it's:>WWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH VALVE MADE IT VIABLE AND NOBODY CAN COMPETE
>>741931079>jail time for what can be a cease and desist is excessiveDude, these people did recieve C&Ds, then failed to show up to court, then represented themselves when finally ordered to court like that dumbfuck Gary Bowser faggot.
>>741931150>How is that preventing anyone from competing?Please express your personal incredulity and confusion more calmly. If you're denied access to 90%+ of customers when you try to charge a lower price, then you're prevented from engaging in price competition. If Steam didn't enforce price parity, many devs would have a strong incentive to sell their games for maybe ~20% cheaper on EGS, and Steam would be forced to lower their extortionate 30% cut or lose customers.
>>741931196in Japan they don't have to send out C&D, as they have the Unfair Competition Prevention Law, which allows law enforcement to move straight to arrest without C&D from Nintendo. In the US yes C&D, but in Japan no, straight to jail.
>>741930575No? They can just push an update that ties licenses to hardware unprompted
>>741931401>On EGSlol, fuckoff Tim
>>741931561The fact that a single rich retard is the only one willing to try challenging Steam and he's bleeding money says it all. Valve do nothing and win because they're a monopoly
>>741931401>on EGSbut they did, and they earned less because STEAM is just that fucking huge, and EGS is just that shit of a launcher people didn't bother to use except for opening GTA 5. Not Valve problem, just weak competition
>>741931698>they earned less because STEAM is just that fucking hugeThat is exactly my point. I know you're an economically illiterate ESL but there are laws against certain anti-competitive practices that companies have historically used to create monopolies
>>741931669>and he's bleeding money says it all.Because he has a retarded business strategy. Just throwing large amount money around doesn't you should automatically succeed.Hell, amazon went throught the same and probably spent even more money than epic but they only realized what they did wrong after shutting down their luna store. But I guess tim missed that one too.
>>741931401>If you're denied access to 90%+ of customersYou are not. Valve does not, in fact, stop customers from buying games elsewhere.YOU CAN EVEN ADD YOUR NON-STEAM GAMES TO THE STEAM LAUNCHER TO USE STEAM INPUT AND SHITThere is no other company that stimulates competition as much as Valve. Imagine if SONY allowed you to just launch your GameCube games on your PS5, and they would work with your controller.>If Steam didn't enforce price parity, many devs would have a strong incentive to sell their games for maybe ~20% cheaper on EGSJust lower the price on Steam, too. Price parity is good for customers. Also, I haven't seen a single instance of Valve cracking down on devs selling shit on itch.io cheaper.
>>741931827Fuck me.>Just throwing large amount of money around doesn't mean you*
>>741931779no your point is moot. Just because they are big doesn't mean they are a monopoly. Monopoly goes outta their ways to squash businesses that challenge its existence. If Steam was, EGS would never fucking exist, Tim Sweeney would be seething harder about Valve, and PC gaming would be under Valve control.The fact that you are here with Heroic and GOG speaks volume already. My nigga you should take business 101 and fucking learn what the fuck a monopoly is.
>>741931827>Because he has a retarded business strategy.Yeah, competing against a monopoly that prohibits price competition is retarded. That's bad for consumers, which is why it's probably illegal for Valve to do that and they should be taken to court>>741931895>Just lower the price on Steam, too.You're clueless and your intuition is totally off, go ask ChatGPT to explain high school microeconomics to you for an hour and come back. The point is that the equilibrium price is higher on Steam because of the high platform fee. If a developer lowers the price on Steam they make less profit assuming it was priced at equilibrium. But, if Steam allowed this, they could get the same revenue per unit, while charging a lower price on EGS, which means they can sell to customers who wouldn't have bought at the higher price, and make more profit.>Price parity is good for customers.lolwat, no.
what does this tattoo mean?
>>741932168>Price competitionYou don't even know what that means
>>741932289https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence
>>741932168>Yeah, competing against a monopoly that prohibits price competition is retarded.No, the "let's force consumer hands by paying large amount of cash to developers creating EGS time-exclusive games while having 0 store features useful to the customers like user reviews because it hurts devs feefees" strategy.Turns out, the people that actually pay for stuff and generate revenue don't like any of that.
>>741932168Should steam sign exclusivity deals to rape their competition, tendie?That's a valid tactic according to your favourite goycorp and egs
>>741932168>high school microeconomicsAh, that's why you're retarded, you never took/looked into economics past the hs level, and it shows.>the equilibrium price is higher on SteamNaturally, as that fee accounts for everything the developer gains by selling on Steam.>If a developer lowers the price on Steam they make less profitLess profit from sales made on Steam, but their profit remains unchanged on their own storefront/EGS.Essentially, what you're suggesting is that the developer be able to offload the fee for everything Steam provides onto the customer while leveraging the higher steam price for marketing their own storefront.Sorry, but the customer takes priority here, and your anti-customer ideology doesn't hold water.>they can sell to customers who wouldn't have bought at the higher priceSo just lower the price everywhere, easy.>but they'll make less profit on SteamYes, because Steam provides many services in exchange for the fee. Services the developer/publisher should pay for, not the customer.
>>741932446This is why people hate you, ACfag. You cannot go 5 seconds without sealioning.
>>741932289"Fried chicken", or "Live, Laugh, Love", one or the other.
>>741932446Exclusivity deals are shitty, but they'd have to pay devs for those and those devs could shop around for other deals if they wanted customers on other platforms etc. Instead Steam leverage their anticompetitive policies and monopoly position to get price parity for every game without paying a cent. But I already know you're a seething console war brainlet who doesn't understand that
>>741932664>anticompetitive is when the customer has free choice and doesn't get scammed
>>741932580>Ah, that's why you're retarded, you never took/looked into economics past the hs level, and it shows.And you didn't take it at all (or failed the class), lol. We both know that. You're dumb as dirt and dishonest. Steam "provides" services to developers no more than a mafia racket "provides" protection. You are paying 30% for access to almost all of the market, and if you try to sell at a lower price anywhere else you're banned.
>>741885326DON'T FORGET>tried to ruin PC moddingthis happened 11 years ago now but i will once again remind you all:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emW15aLYbp4
>>741932962also in b4 some cuck passes the blame to Bethesda, Valve put this on Steam so don't give me any of that cope
>>741932871>You are paying 30% for access to almost all of the market,So, why don't anyone else take 15+ years, spend money on advertising and slowly building their store to get to the customer base like valve did?
>>741933016See the other half of the sentence:>if you try to sell at a lower price anywhere else you're bannedValve has all the customers and the lowest prices (artificially enforced by their policies). How could anyone be expected to compete with that?
>>741932871That 30% is being used to maintain their service, the storage space for every single and the bandwith needed for millions of players to download them constantly. Plus updates. It's also less tham retail and being used by GOG, Sony, Xbox and Nintendo. cope nigger
>>741932962>>741933007Sup Todd>>741933097Vivendi and EA had most of the shelf space in retail, how was Valve expected to compete with that?
>>741933309>Valve>not being the laziest fuckers on the planet who do the minimum possible work
>>741932871>Steam "provides" services to developers no more than a mafia racket "provides" protection.>hosting and server infrastructure>discoverability for relevant demographics>forums and community interaction>software updates free of charge (not a thing on console)>robust version control for the end-user (insurance against bricking your own game)>the most analytics dashboard in the industry>in-depth insights into customer sentiment via user reviews>online multiplayer infrastructure, should devs choose to use it>hardware agnostic input backend, should devs choose to use it (this opens up additional customer demographics)>cloud saves (this opens up additional demographics)>Steam Wishlist (early insight into demand/popularity)>built-in sales notifications to nudge customers who didn't jump in at the original priceI could go on. You're a retard.>You are paying 30% for access to almost all of the marketNope. Valve does nothing to stop customers from purchasing elsewhere. If other stores have failed to attract customers, that's their problem, Valve has done nothing to prevent. Pro-tip: Ensuring the customer gets the same price in every store is a good thing (they don't even do this, every small indie sells cheaper on itch.io).
>>741933097BUILD A BETTER PRODUCT THAN HAVING A SHITTY LAUNCHER THATS SOMEHOW MORE UNRESPONSIVE THAN FUCKING VISTA AND LESS FEATURES THAN ITS COMPETITOREGS is a shit launcher. No one wants to use it, and in the case they do they fucking despise it. That's the fucking homework instead of horseshit lawsuits.
>>741933394>the minimum possible work is equal to five times the work put in by all other platforms combined
>>741932962>>741933007it's free now so idgaf abt the past. Move on nigga
>>741933394They're the lazy schmuck who sleeps for 90% of the race, and then slowly walks to the finish line in the last 5 minutes. SO HOW HAS NOBODY BESTED THEM?That speaks to the low quality of the rest of the industry.
>>741933097>How could anyone be expected to compete with that?By proposing a better service. Pretty sure that's the base of competition.I mean, it's not like the developers absolutely refuse to look at storefronts other than steam, as tim has demonstrated by bribing a bunch of them for time exclusivity, yet somehow the price of those games never went below what you'd expect if they were on steam (despite the fact that they were not and therefore valve could not enforce price parity). The players themselves are also willing to look around and gog still running along fine is proof of that. Ultimately a customer base has to either be created by looking at places that other competitors haven't filled or pilfered by proposing something better but in both cases, it also has to be fostered and not just throwing you hands in the air and screaming at the competition because you don't get what you want immediately.
>>741933394Still somehow more work than Epic, EA, Activision and Ubisoft.
>>741885326>gambling cratesNot my problem. Be smarter with your money.>taxes an entire industry for 30%also not my problem, and apparently pretty standard for big-box stores. If this mattered, people would shop on EGS, but look at that... no one does.
>>741932596i don't even know what AC stands for in your mad poopdickschizo chase stands for you brain addled tendienow answer the questionwhy is steam bad when epic supports exclusivity, nintendo supports exclusivity and you can't bypass nintendo to sell games for the nintendo console?why do you consider that okay when it's objectively worse? because you're attached to your toddler corpo?>>741932664they wouldn't have to pay anyone, retardif they have a choice between listing it on steam and listing it anywhere else they're going to pick steambold of you to call steam anticompetitive when epic and nintendo do the same thing but worse
>>741932962I'd be mad if he didn't back down on this. But he did.
>>741933429So if their service is so good, why do they have to prohibit price competition? All of those things are nice, but inexpensive to provide and don't matter as much as you're implying (games still get released on consoles). They aren't worth a 30% cut to most devs.>Valve does nothing to stop customers from purchasing elsewhere.Except for prohibiting them from buying the game at a lower price on other stores.>(they don't even do this, every small indie sells cheaper on itch.io)Valve don't bother with enforcement for those games because it's not worth the effort, and they want to avoid testing their dubious policy in court for as long as possible. If an AAA game tried that you might see something, but those companies are scared too.
>>741933689>If this mattered, people would shop on EGSYou don't see this happening because Steam prohibit devs from charging lower prices on EGS than they charge on Steam, even though EGS has a 12% platform fee.
>>741933757>Except for prohibiting them from buying the game at a lower price on other stores.shit ig my purchases for cheaper gog games instead of steam is prohibited. holy shit im going to jailnigga you crazy sybau
>>741933757>but inexpensive to provide and don't matter as much as you're implyingWhy don't anyone else do it then?
>>741933757>So if their service is so good, why do they have to prohibit price competition?to protect their name and customers so developers don't besmirch their name and use the platform as free advertising?>They aren't worth a 30% cut to most devs.retardsteam is the best place to actually sell gamesthe developer and publisher get 70-80%they get 70% from gog and console digitaland just 50% from console physical with additional losses due to resellingand no, itch and epic don't countitch is a tiny storefront with way less features and epic is insolvent by itself
>>741933883Try reading the rest of the post next time, braindead pavement ape.>Valve don't bother with enforcement for those games because it's not worth the effort, and they want to avoid testing their dubious policy in court for as long as possible. If an AAA game tried that you might see something, but those companies are scared too.
>>741933757>games still get released on consoles>They aren't worth a 30% cut to most devs.Clearly they are if games get released on consoles, which take 30%, if not more.>Except for prohibiting them from buying the game at a lower price on other stores.Nothing is stopping developers from not listing their game on Steam and selling it for any price they want anywhere they want. A Steam Store page is not a basic human right or anything.>waaah, waah, I'm entitled to access your user base without paying for itFunny. It looks like access to Steam users could be worth 18%, wouldn't you agree? It seems to be, if every faggot under the sun is screeching about it.>Valve don't bother with enforcement for those games because it's not worth the effortSo the small devs get to sell at any price they want, and big publishers already run their own stores, so they can just not exist on Steam, and everything would be fine.With that in mind, where is your pain point, then? You seem to not actually have an issue here.
>>741933909Because they still wouldn't get any customers even if they did that (because of Steam's policies), so it's not worth the effort.
reminder to any shill that genuinely brings up egs as a valid comparisonthey would be completely broke if not for fortnite
>>741933872Everyone repeats this, but I don't think this is actually true. I guarantee you can find certain games cheaper that are for sale on steam.
>>741933872>You don't see this happening because Steam prohibit devs from charging lower prices on EGS than they charge on Steam, even though EGS has a 12% platform fee.Actually, you don't see it happening with EGS exclusives either. They all go for the standard industry price and pocket the difference, so it looks like the publishers are at fault here, not Valve.
>>741933930why tf would i need to read the rest when theres a blatant lie just 1 space above it???sybau
>games would be cheaper for customers if not for Valve*look into other store exclusive games*>all the same standard price and never go on discountCurious.
kys timmy
I hope that fat fuck's boat gets boarded by somalis. them real scary looking niggas too. the ones that look like mars attacks in blackface.
>>741933995>Because they still wouldn't get any customersYou can't expect to get customers if you never try and just expect short term returns.You don't just kick down the door of a competitor's supermarket and demand 50% of their customer base right now because you just opened your own supermarket nearby.
>>741910404Not that retard, but that’s a modern trend. Mtg gave up on trying to make magic as an IP stick so they’re just doing endless crossovers.
>It's fine when everyone else does it
>>741934173>Retail >30%My fucking ass! It's closer to 48%
>>741933974>Clearly they are if games get released on consoles, which take 30%, if not more.Sales of console games subsidize the cost of the console itself, no such thing can be said for Steam. In a free market Steam would take a much lower cut than 30%, it does not justify operating expenditures.>A Steam Store page is not a basic human right or anything.That comes into question when they control the entire market.>access to Steam users could be worth 18%, wouldn't you agree?Yes, it's worth a lot more than 18%, that's my whole point. Charging large amounts for access to a market is anticompetitive and probably illegal.>and big publishers already run their own stores, so they can just not exist on Steam, and everything would be fineMost big publishers don't already run their own stores, and those who do still need to sell on Steam to access most of the PC market.
>>741934240>That comes into question when they control the entire market.It's only the entire market because they created it from scratch.
>NOOOOOOOOO I HATE STEAM I HATE VALVEthen don't sell there>NOOOOOOOOO MY REVENUE!!!! THE GAME WONT SELL!!!why the fuck do retards believe that their dinky storefronts with no features sold by literally whos deserve customers out of pity?compete with steam on features or lose in free market, you chose being ideological over pragmatically compromising and you get the results of that preference
>>741933998>no one can compete with Valve because they're a monopoly, the single person stupid enough to try is failing catastrophically>lol that's not a valid comparison because they're losing money
>>741934240>Sales of console games subsidize the cost of the console itself, no such thing can be said for SteamMaintenance and not being dogshit like the PSN and Xbox store.
>>741885326Good morning sir.
>>741934240>Sales of console games subsidize the cost of the console itself,why should the customer be paying for the privilege of a self interested corpo assembling locked down shitbox you don't truly own?you do know those fucking consoles aren't even a deal anymore compared to building pcs right?
>>741934307the single person doing that is trying his best to be hated and antagonises his potential customersno, you're not entitled to sales, compete with steam on features or fuck off
>>741934291And? Monopolies are bad for consumers, there are laws to prevent exploitation even if "they were there first"
>>741934641What exploitation?The only ones feeling left out are AAA publishers and other assorted jews desperate for a piece of the pie.And they can't because the company isn't public.
>>741934240>justify operating expensesSo bandwith, storage, no cost to developer to release updates unlike Sony and Xbox, plus a bunch of optional shit like servers, mod hosting. All that and more doesn't cost valve anything? Now should the cut be default 30%? No. Are devs forced to release on Steam? No. If they don't like have x% shaved off they can go elsewhere or do it themselves
>>741934791All of your games cost 20% more than they should because of Steam's high platform fee. That's bad for everyone except Valve: gamers, developers, publishers, Jews, the industry
>>741934846Then why do they cost more on console?
>>741934173yeah but gabe set this 30% way before everybody
>>741933872kingdom hearts was an egs exclusive for 3.5 years and it was sold at full price despite tims 12% cutsteam doesnt set the fucking price, the devs or publishers do
>>741934876Because they sell the console for cheaper and make the most profit from selling games. Steam didn't do this with the Steam machine, that's why the people who were coping and expecting it to be priced similar to what a console of equivalent specs might be, were wrong
>>741934846It costs exactly 0 to meBut it's thanks to Steam that I can pirate Super Robot Wars natively on PC>>741934934It was more before
>>741934846>Steam's high platform fee.see >>741933910
>>741934846So make a storefront that will attract customers. Once you have a decent customer base, cut away from steam's prices. If the only thing other storefronts are trying to compete on is price, right here, right now, of course they'll just fail.>>741934934Physical retail stores set the 30%, valve just copied it, minus the costs of actually manufacturing physical videogames for the publisher.
>>741935043>Once you have a decent customer base, cut away from steam's prices.Steam's internal policy prohibits developers from participating in that, this is what the whole thread is abouthttps://games.gg/news/valve-antitrust-lawsuit-steam-price-parity/
>>741934240>Sales of console games subsidize the cost of the console itself, no such thing can be said for Steam. In a free market Steam would take a much lower cut than 30%, it does not justify operating expenditures.The 30% cut Steam takes subsidizes the continued development of the launcher and, until recently, hardware which enabled gaming for demographics that traditionally exit the market.>That comes into question when they control the entire market.We've been over this, they do not. Just make a good store. Build it, and they will come.>Charging large amounts for access to a market is anticompetitive and probably illegal.Again, we've been over this. The market exists, it just refuses to compete on features, so customers stay with Steam. Literally just build something good, people will use it.>>741934846>All of your games cost 20% more than they shouldLies. We've seen it with EGS, publishers DO NOT lower prices, they just pocket the difference.Maybe if the kikes paying jeets like you weren't so kikeish, we'd be willing to lend them an ear.
>>741935231>Steam's internal policy prohibits developers from participating in thatLies. Everyone is free to delist their game on Steam and continue selling on their own store.
>>741935231Now, read the whole post and try to understand what I was actually trying to say.
>>741935043Can't compare physical store and digital store, buddyit would be impossible for sony, microsoft or nintendo to set up their own physical stores across the entire country just to sell their games. So the 30% hit does make sense.Gabe getting away early on with a 30% cut is criminal for a digital distribution, but he was succesful because gamers are very retarded
>>741935043>minus the costs of actually manufacturing physical videogames for the publisherAnd guaranteed shelf space and discoverability for your target demographic.Steam has been a boon for publishers like nothing else:>save money compared to selling in brick and mortar>makes your product evergreen>save time and money otherwise spent negotiating with John Walmart
>>741935342>Gabe getting away early on with a 30% cut is criminal for a digital distributionBy trailblazing a market even Microsoft failed to create at lower rates than physical retail software? Man fucking kill yourself!
>>741935342>pay same cut to store>while saving costs elswhere due to the nature of the storeSteam's effective cut, compared to physical, is closer to 8%
>>741885326Tim, we talked about this.
>Epic boss Tim Sweeney blasts Steam for putting AI tags on games — says move is ‘irresponsible of Valve’ah, that explains the chimpout
TIM CARES ABOUT YOU PLEASE USE HIS STORE FELLOW PC GAMERS!
>hehe, we'll ~TOTALLY~ sell games cheaper if it wasn't for Valve>it'll be *hehe* good for you, goyi... I mean gamers>WHAT? INVEST IN BUILDING A BETTER STORE???>listen here, you fucking cattle, we SAVED you from GOYBEN's tyranny>you should be grateful to us, if it wasn't for us, you would know which games were made with AI and get fair prices and discounts, which devalues the "games" you enjoy>if you don't kiss the wall, we're taking the games you "bought" away
>>741935294>publishers DO NOT lower prices, they just pocket the difference.Come back when you understand high school economics, no you can't just be a hecking greedy Jew and take all the money and expect to profit without having some kind of leverage (in Steam's case, a monopoly).
>>741935851>you can't just be a hecking greedy jew and take all the money and expect to profit without having some kind of leverageIn the example you're replying to, the leverage is exclusivity, which is the most powerful leverage of all when it comes to video games. It's literally impossible to play the game without buying it from the only store selling it.So, yes, you can in fact just be a hecking greedy jew and take all the money. All it takes is being a hecking greedy jew.Also>capitalizes jewYou're not fooling anyone anymore.
>>741934240>Sales of console games subsidize the cost of the console itself, Then tell them to stop charging for online. Forbid them from charging for DLC and season passes. If 80 dollar games is not enough to subsidize the console, then they're just being greedy.
>>741885326Why is timmy tencent seething about Gabe so much recently
>>741936241time is running out for both him and his chink-funded shitheap.
PC gaming before evil bad Steam was so good bros...>go to local games store>95% of the store is console stuff>find the pc games shelf in the back with the weird dude>it's just blizzard games, sims and sometimes some new stuff>buy a new game that seems fun>secuROM or Starforce DRM says I can only install this game I paid full price for 5 times before I have to buy it againIf only we could go back.
>>741935851You know, your problem is that you have your head so far up your ass seething about steam that you don't get the reality that this whole digital economy is a three-way tug of war between publisher, storefront and customer. If one gains, the other two lose and if two gain, the third one loses big.It's because you limit yourself to "high school economics" that you fail to understand the economic reality that goes beyond the basic theories you learned.Ultimately, there is no reason for publishers to volunteer to earn less money if they can get away with it. Even on steam the publishers are the ones setting the prices they wish and if the store is willing to take a lower cut and the customers willing to pay the same price they've been used to for decades, then there is no reason to lower sale prices.
>>741936779>publisher, storefront and customer.and the cool part about steam is that everyone wins
I hate Valve for ruining TF2 and not making more games but Proton is so amazing that I switch to Linux full time despite not hating Windows all that much
>>741937039>is that everyone winsI would disagree with that. It's just maintaning the status quo because each side could ultimately get more from the other two.
>>741937395Not necessarily. With Steam, the customer and the store are better off, but the publishers aren't hurting necessarily since they choose to stay and play ball while securing record-breaking margins only Nintendo outshine.
>>741927442if you think aquiline noses are exclusively jewish, don't look up half the roman emperors
>>741885326>overpricedI've gotten 99% of my games on steam during sales for less money than an average burger costs
>>741885326>micropenis>huge handsdoubt.jpg
>>741885791>>sells gambling to childrenPokemon was doing it for 20 years before ValveAnd that makes it ok how? You fucking imbecile I Hope your kid get addicted to real gambling after gaming
>>741885791>PC gaming is literally saved by him. What kind of retard thinks Valve and Steam are bad?PC Gaming was fine before. All Valve did is destroy physical ownership and let PC manufacturers not have to include a disc drive.
>>741940130>huge handsBecause he is fat, old and unhealthy that means 0 T and blood circulation to pump blood inside penis. It is no coincidence all these yacht pedo types have micropenis because their size is too small to penetrate adult women.
>>741935550Timmy is crashing out over Valve again. He probably paid his army of jeets an extra Fortnite gift card to work overtime.
>>741940726would not be surprised if one of his "research" yachts was actually a sex trafficking yacht
>>741940850Or the mysterious 7 figure paid "employees" are actually laundering money
>>741940726sure, in general this is probably true. but I did see some fat bastards in porn with massive cocks.
