it is impossible for a Metroid game to be a big as HK, we know this, but nintendo should for once try to make a 2D Metroid game twice as big as they usually are, which is not much, with a few optional areas, bosses and new upgrades that are not more useless missile and powerbomb expansions
>>741885492cool I don't want metroid to be a normalfag central
>>741886289more sales = more games
There is not a single thing I would want to see Metroid take from Hollow Shit
>>741886981Not even charms for customization?
>>741885492>it is impossible for a Metroid game to be a big as HK,>Metroid>vania
>>741887110Especially not fucking charms they're awful
>>741887182Impressive.I kneel.
>>741887110not that crap but easy to code powerups that would increase the radius to get energy and ammo drops, longer grapple beam distance, higher missile firerate and such would already make exploration more rewarding
>>741886737wider audience = shallower game
>>741888260Dread is the shallowest game possible and I still like it a lot but>cinematic QTEs>linear as shit so normies don't ever get lost>checkpoints up the ass but "hard" bosses and "scary" emmis as streamerbaitthey knew exactly what they were doing, hence the 3M+ copies sold, quite a lot for a metroid game
bumpoid
>>741886981Why? It's an objective improvement in every way?
>>741888260Elden Ring is the deepest FromSoft game
Metroid being short and dense is one of its strengths
>>741888260>make a better game by just having more (quality) content>shallower gametendies are truly brain damaged
It’s too long running of a franchise to make major changes without pissing off the fans (like Zelda). People have expectations of what a Metroid game should be. Dread conformed to the formula well.
>>741892028>quality contentlmao
>>741893296this is neither a new area nor from hollow knightnot beating the brain damage allegations any time soon
>>741893640Just using the most egregious example of the shitty and obvious padding of that franchise, since you’d otherwise defend the rest of its sloptent reflexively. But even you couldn’t stoop to defending that shit, so you sperg lol
>>741894414absolutely incomprehensible, take your brain medicine
>>741894478>if I’m too retarded to read, words can’t hurt me!
>>741893296>>741893640qrd?
>>741885492Size isn't the problem with metroid, the main problem is direction. The last proper metroid games came out in 2004 with zero mission/prime 2, every game after has had tarnished exploration and level design in favor of action set pieces and retarded mechanics like stealth
>>741894915silksong has shitty quests for padding, including this one where you need to farm rng drops from enemies
>>741895081Have you tried Zexion or the Xanthiom games?
>>741895123We don't need that nonsense but we could gladly take the map size and optional areas, only that, not npcs or shitty side quests and combine it with metroid's gameplay. That would be the perfect game.
>>741895585Bloating the map size completely dilutes the core of a metroid game, getting new powers that allow you to move, fight and explore in new ways. A but bugger and some optional fights would be fine, but HK and Silksong are completely bloated, and their search action appeal completely tanks. Doesn’t help that the abilities are already so few, basic and singular
>>741895851As much as I love HK/SS there's no getting around the fact that the charm system being a series of incremental sidegrades and the map being so massive that you can go hours between major abilities are self-reinforcing problems. If there's space, there needs to be a reward for exploration (or at least something other than the tedium of not guessing which one is the primary path). If there's rewards, they need to not invalidate major progression.
>>741895851haven't played Silksong so idk if traversal is faster or not than in HK but a map like HK's or slightly smaller with the speed booster, a couple optional areas and bosses and some new powerups besides the classic missile/pb expansions would be more than enough, even if those optional areas are as small as Elun that would be enoughyou explore, you find it, it has some tougher platforming or enemies, fight an optional boss and you get something newidk why they are too scared to do that, it is a proven formula at this point, they can still have their beloved qtes, cutscenes and some linear segments if they want
>>741894915Collect 10 bug asses.Unironically. And there's like 5 quests like this>>741892028Hollowknight might be alarge game but very little is high quality.FFS even silksong locks a wall jump behind an upgrade vs metroid superjust having it as a default tool.The power up are bland as fuck.Enremies range from piss nothing to mildly annoying at worse.Map interconnectivity isnt new at all. Etc. You faggots unironicallyneed to play more video games.I like team cherry's work but they are no savior of gaming
>>741896514>too scared to do thatyou have the reasoning skills of a child
So how do we make a Metroid game with rewarding exploration? I.e. there needs to be something to discover and collects other than +5 missiles or +1 energy tankBecause the rewards are so sparse and bleak compared to other games in the genre there's not much excitement in finding secrets, and spamming 200 missiles at every boss to win is also getting old (parryslop in samus returns and dread is the "official" solution to this lmao.)
>>741897427>”fixing” what isn’t brokenno thanks, I don’t want a bunch of buildcraft shit dumped into metroid. You know what isn’t rewarding? Getting shit you won’t use at all because it’s junk compared to what you already have, or it only works for a particular, stupid playstyle. I’ll gladly take my missiles and HP and eschew soulslop sensibilities
>>741897427Rewards aren’t sparse at all. They’re much denser than other games in the genre, unless you stupid enough to believe currency is an actual reward and not the absence of a reward and a poor attempt to incentivize backtracking
>>741897764It's not broken per se, I've just already played nes, super, zm, fusion, am2r, and a million different romhacks and even the roguelike fangame that generates a new map every single time you play.At a certain point it's not exciting to find missiles . Missiles. More missiles. If you're lucky the most interesting thing you get is a spider ball or some shit as a one-off.
Hunters got it right by making you carry as many beams as possible.
>>741897040bot post
>>741897427You make it dense enough that it's rare for the player to be neither in familiar territory nor on the primary progression path, and you make rewards common but hidden with increasing complexity so that there's an average power level but rewards for diligence. The expectation that a player will 100% the game blind is the issue.
