In retrospect, he wasn't really that bad.
>>741897219Miquella didn't really do anything wrong. People saying he's a villain are mental defectives.
he troonflopped so hard that nobody likes fromslop anymore.so embarrassing for miyasaari...
>>741897491>>741897219I still never quite figured out what Miquella's grand plan was. He went on a journey in the spirit world basically to become a god, and he suceeded, but if we hadn't of stood in his way...what was he going to do? Return to the Broken Lands and take his mother's place? Become a pawn of the Elden Ring? Or he was just going to strip everyone's emotions away to make them happy, but also slaves? I mean...he was so obsessed with Radahn to the point that he yanked his soul into a hollowed-out body...that apparently was Mohg's body? Or I guess what Mohg would have looked like if he was a regular human? Radahn didn't even have a choice in the matter. He was essentially just a puppet being controlled by Miquella.
>>741897219Never was. People with 10k hours in the game never tried pressing dodge twice in succession I guess. A real can't see the forest for the trees moment.
troon bosstroon lore
I beat him in release week with a colossal sword and thought he was as hard as the final boss of a $40 DLC ought to be. I didn't pay that much money to not get a challenge.
>>741897878Look at the people in the haligtree. The age of compassion was getting everyone drunk on soma so they wouldn't fight anymore. No more progress of any kind as Miquella can play with his toy soldiers.
>>741897219it was annoying for me because I went in with the black steel greathammer and he like, double resists holy damage. sick of souls endgames always being resistant to holy
>>741897916troon life.
>>741898001So basically, just slaves but they're kept docile so in Miquella's mind that was "peace" as nobody was fighting. He saw emotions as a catalyst to war and destruction. >>741898091>The GOD-like being of HOLINESS is 100% resistant to holy-damage. >Anon uses a holy weapon and gets mad
>>741897878all of souls art direction and "story" are just excuses for miyazacki to make berserk fan art and fan fiction its just tranny griffith and zombie guts
>>741898091He's actually weak to holy in phase 1
>>741897219Fuck you.
>>741898291>So basically, just slaves but they're kept docile so in Miquella's mind that was "peace" as nobody was fighting. He saw emotions as a catalyst to war and destruction.Yep. Miquella's "Age of Compassion" is one where everyone would lose their free will and be united by their love for their new God, Miquella the Kind. Even Radahn himself was a slave
>>741898291>just know what the boss will be before fighting it and change your entire build to accommodate it!>actually having an entire build archetype be punished by the last challenges in every game is a good thing!>>741898531makes sense, I just ended up changing my ash to something physical based in the end though because it was phase 2 that was the real ball crusher on launch. hear it's easier now though.
>>741897491People definitely got the wrong message from the DLC. It's not "oh Mohg is an innocent angel and Miquella is an evil monster" it's "Mohg and Miquella were both playing the politics game and both had their own agendas, neither of them are victims"
ez game
>>741898698You chose poorly. Deal with it.
>>741898810I don't even care that you cheated the game I just care that you cheated yourself. That's not just big, it's large.
>>741898767It's still better for Mohg than Miquella is an innocent angel and Mohg is an evil monster
fine boss, but the ultimate boss being a new version of a character we've beaten is lame.
>>741898810fingerprint shield too ugly to use. I ended the game rocking the black steel greatshield, had lots of fun farming the putrescent knight with my greatshield, hammer and deflecting hardtear. first time I've ever used aggro up rings, worked pretty good. >>741898976I did deal with it, sorry we can't all be guide readers like you. I have to actually deal with the consequences of playing blind.
>>741898291Pretty much, he went full jedi and looped around to the sith as a result. >emotions lead to bad things, lets turn those off>but still love MEHe was insane.
>>741899026It's only better for him if you make the assumption that Miquella brainwashed him into kidnapping him when there is no assurance of that whatsoever in the game and it's equally likely that Mohg kidnapped him and wanted to Mohglest him of his own volition and only got mindcontrolled after he did the deed.
>>741897219the great media literacy filter
>>741899106kino fashion
>>741898981It's fucking MASSIVE and I love that all of it's 29 weight takes up 1/4th of my equipment load
>>741899223Given Ansbach you can make a pretty good case that Mohg wasn't like we see in the game before the mind control. The game describes 2 different Mohgs and has the caveat that someone mind controlled him at some point. It is very easy to assume the mind control changed him.
>>741899382There are also hints that Miquella has to be physically close to a person in order to charm them so his charm being responsible for convincing Mohg to kidnap him when Mohg was so far away from him is questionable. Not to say that there's any definitive proof one way or the other but it's obviously deliberately left ambiguous and clearing Mohg of all wrongdoing is a hasty judgement. I doubt it was Miquella who made Mohg start a blood cult worshipping a blood god whose purpose is to invade and murder innocent people. He probably did that on his own.
EZ
>>741899610>There are also hints that Miquella has to be physically close to a person in order to charm themNo there aren't. 1 of Miquella's charmed goons is from the shadowlands. He has 5 goons, 1 of them mentions seeing him in a fugue state while dying, the rest don't.
>>741899718A bunch of the people under his charm in the haligtree have never met him.
>>741899718I disagree but regardless, there's nothing that says Miquella made Mohg start a blood cult.
>>741899610Protip - Mohg is Miquella's brother and they all have thrones at the Leyndell moot, they've met numerous times before.
>>741899873Mohg was born possessed of the formless mother, he didn't form a blood cult until later in life around the time he had a complete personality change according to Ansbach.
>>741897219It was an underwhelming final boss for a supposedly big expansion. Wasn't even that hard. Designs are recycled, animations are recycled.
>>741897878>I still never quite figured out what Miquella's grand plan was.CRASHING THE LANDS BETWEEN...
>>741900028Mohg wasn't born possessed of the Formless Mother from birth, he found the Formless Mother in the sewers after being banished there. More accurately the Formless Mother found him because she specifically takes advantage of people who have lived in suffering.From the Bloodboon item description:>The mother of truth craves wounds. When Mohg stood before her, deep underground, his accursed blood erupted with fire, and he was besotted with the defilement that he was born into.From the Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear item description:>As well as serving as a weapon, it is an instrument of communion with an outer god who bestows power upon accursed blood. The mother of truth desires a wound.The Formless Mother gave Mohg power because his blood was accursed already, she's not the reason his blood is accursed in the first place.Furthermore, Ansbach doesn't say he has a personality change toward worshipping the Formless Mother, he says he has a personality change towards an obsession with Miquella and feeding blood to him. Ansbach is a Pureblood Knight, he himself worships the Formless Mother. That is the entire reason for his order even existing. The Pureblood Knights are nothing more than a cult of the Formless Mother. And I shouldn't have to explain why the Formless Mother is probably not a benevolent entity, even if she does take pity on those in suffering.The "Ansbach is le wholesome chungus 100" meme is the worst thing to come out of the DLC. All he does is side with the player out of pragmatic necessity, that doesn't make him a good person.
>>741897219The entire DLC was a tranny dogshit.
>>741900662Your brain is rotten.
>>741900640He's a 1v1 duelist that thinks invading to kill randos is shameful, he's a good guy.
>>741900774No, it was that bad.
>>741900775I dunno what makes you think that. His literal job as a Pureblood Knight is to invade random people and kill them for no other reason than "more blood for the blood god"
>>741900932He tells you he was a duelist and he thinks bloody fingers are dogshit.
>>741900905Saying the DLC is bad is one thing, and I wouldn't fault you for saying that. But what you said was just pure brain rot.
>>741900971I don't remember him saying that, does he say that after the fight in Enir Ilim or something?
>>741897219>starts with Stray Demon >ends on Stray Demon Demon's Soulsfags would never get it...
>>741900932>I dunno what makes you think that.His actions show he is a good guy.>Fear not, I bear no grudge against you.>His Eminence was felled in an honourable duel, and such are the risks of seeking Lordship.>Besides, what right have I to complain? I blame the enchantment more than anything.>Righteous Tarnished. We will have our victory.>I swear upon my blood.
>>741897219Mechanically I didn't find the boss as engaging as Messmer or Rellana who I thought demanded fantastic use of core aspects of Souls combat outside of just timing rolls and were very rewarding for making use of those mechanics. Promised Consort had a few moves that rewarded spacing but was more so just very strict roll timing and didn't reward gambles or positioning. Ultimately I gave up fighting them conventionally and just used the Deflect tear, sonething I didn't do for any other boss in the DLC, at which point it was rather easy. So a mechanically dissapointing boss compared to base game Radahn and Elden Beast and the other DLC bosses which were otherwise very well designed.Lore wise I was extremely dissapointed because I was very interested in what Godhood would do to Miquella and what him abandoning himself to his quest would turn him into. Instead we just got a glowing twink riding on the back of a boss fight from the base game that I didn't particularly like and thought was overhyped. I was much more interested in a chance to fight Miquella and I felt shafted I wasn't given the chance The Promised Consort thing had nothing interesting about it to me compared to the Metaphysical themes.
i never played the dlc but malenia was an absolute horseshit fight. it was literally fine other than her 1 attack that instantly kills you unless you input an arbitrary konami code or some bullshit. if pcr was just a tough fight then i dont see the issue, but if he had a horseshit attack like that then i can see why people would complain. it made me not want to buy the dlc though so at least it saved me some money.
>>741901407PCR has all his attacks be Malenia's waterfowl, unironically. You can job him like you can Malenia with a great shield.
>>741901141It's not a zero sum game. Ansbach is an honorable, honest, and loyal man who follows a strict set of principles and rules of ethics. However Ansbach is also a cultist who subscribes to a murderous ideology of blood and pain and that murderous blood cult exists for the express purpose of invading and killing people. Both of these things can be true at once and that's why Ansbach is such an interesting character, but most people seem to ignore the nuance and simply brand him a good person and everyone associated with him to be good just because he's nice to the player.
>>741901680It sort of is. Ansbach makes sure you know he and the purebloods under Mohg are n nothing like the animal bloody fingers that exist now. Every bloody finger you meet aside from Eleonora is a misbegotten or omen while Ansbach is obviously a noble. Your issue seems to be me calling the honorable old man that treats you with honor as a good guy compared to the obvious bad guys that the bloody fingers are. It is strange.
>>741902031He unironically is a good guy. He ends up having to fight Leda and he apologizes to her for it, he has to fight Freyja and he does the same while championing her, when he beats you in the bad gank squad he is also nice, when you beat the gank squad all his attaboys are for Thollier instead of himself. When he realizes what Miquella wants to do his first instinct is to assume Mike doesn't realize how shameful it is instead of defaulting to how evil it is. Not only is he good, he thinks others can be good when they clearly aren't.
>>741902031I just can't remember anything in the game that draws a distinction between Mohg/the Pureblood Knights like Ansbach and the Bloody Fingers as they exist now like Varre and the guys who invade you in the blood swamp place. As far as I can tell they're all part of the same cult worshipping the Formless Mother.>>741902239I might be communicating this poorly but what I'm trying to say is he can still be a "good guy" as in he is honorable and respectable and has a consistent moral framework but simultaneously he can be apart of a cause which is ultimately negative for most people living in that universe. It's like in real life where you can be a good person but still fall victim to a cult like Scientology or Aum Shinrikyo or whatever.
>>741902495>I just can't remember anything in the game that draws a distinction between Mohg/the Pureblood Knights like Ansbach and the Bloody Fingers as they exist now like Varre and the guys who invade you in the blood swamp place.Ansbach, he has a ton of dialogue that lets you know what type of person he is as opposed to Varre. Varre takes a perverse pleasure in setting you up to die or join his gang, meanwhile, Ansbach is genuinely nice.
>>741902683Yeah I get that Ansbach is a nice, honorable, and respectable person. But you can have all those traits and still be a bad person. He obviously doesn't have the same sadism that most other Formless Mother worshippers have, but he still champions the same cause as the sadists do.
>>741897878>I still never quite figured out what Miquella's grand plan was.Just mind-controlling literally everyone into loving him.Which was supposedly good as it would have meant everyone would be too busy worshipping him to be mean to each other.>what did he need radahn forHe didn't. He just wanted him.
>>741902853You can't actually.
>>741897219His animations look unfinished and the arena is incredibly lame
>>741897219I beat him by becoming invisible and then chucking poison pots at him. Did I really beat the game?
>>741902958He needed Radahn to arrest the stars so no future aliens can come and claim the ring. He becomes the forever god.
>>741898810Nice concept, but it fits with almost nothing and it's also too fucking heavy.You get the same results with brass or any of the knight greatshields, so why suffer?
>>741902958His plan was really nothing more than a slight adjustment on the Golden Order. The Golden Order already accepted previously ostracised creatures, such as the demi-humans, but it still rejected creatures like Those Who Live In Death. Miquella's Age of Compassion would be nearly identical to the Golden Order except it would accept all the creatures that the Golden Order rejected like Those Who Live In Death, Misbegotten, Kindred of Rot, and literally everything else. Basically globohomo melting pot cultural marxism but with mind control magic to make it actually feasibly possible instead of the pipe dream that it is IRL.
>>741903089If that ws the case, he wouldn't have sent Malenia to fight him, nor would his plan require him being slain by you.
>>741903103no farming required, and you can't get the same results with smaller shields. Fingerprint is used because it has 100 resist and a single buff on it brings its holy resist to 95. Brass would go to 75 with the buff and has 16 less boost so you are going to get posture broken. >>741903286Radahn wasn't a part of any of Miquella's plans, he gets killed and reanimated against his will. Radahn was holding back the stars for his sister, not for Miquella. He didn't care about Miquella.
>>741901407He's just a tough fight in his phase 1, but in 2 everything he does flashbangs you. Pure spectacle over good design.But yeah people cry way too much about him, I still think Malenia is worse.
>>741903220>The Golden Order already accepted previously ostracised creaturesIt didn't in actuality. It turned all those conquered peoples into slaves.We are all equal, some are mor equal than others. Marika ascribed to that mindset to a tee.
>>741902495Basically the implication of Ansbach's niceness is that his pureblood knights were just a political faction backing Mohg and not meaningfully worse than the combat maniac redmanes, while the bloody fingers were a complete change of direction caused by Miquella's cocoon needing tons of blood.How does that fits with Mohg worshipping a madness inducing outer god whose symbol is parasites infected firey blood? It doesn't desu.
>>741903286>he wouldn't have sent Malenia to fight himHe would have to do this if Radahn didn't know he was part of Miquella's end goal. >nor would his plan require him being slain by you.This happens after his initial plan fails and he has moved on to plan D and isn't really in a position to stop it.
>>741903496Well yeah, "accepted" comes with an asterisk. Kenneth Haight says that "Even the vulgar shall not be left behind, under the rule of true Order" in reference to the demi-humans, but obviously he's talking about using the demi-humans as servants/slaves. I don't doubt that Miquella would be the same, he would "accept" Those Who Live In Death, but they'd probably still be basically second class citizens.
>>741897878>What was Miquella's grand planTo become the God of a new age which does pretty much mean taking in the Elden Ring.I think he would have gone back to the Erdtree and defeated Radagon and claimed the Elden Ring for himself and repaired it.Yes he shattered his own great rune, but this probably was more symbolic of rejecting whatever it represented as his old, failed self. The Great Rune of Abundance wouldn't have matched Miquella's Cross which isn't found on the Elden Ring, so my head canon is he intended to create the Mending Rune of Compassion for it.Then basically the entire world would be lobotomized.
>>741903997I don't think anything in the game draws any distinction between the Pureblood Knights and the Bloody Fingers. They seem to be the exact same faction, but maybe the former is a higher rank than the latter. I think the only thing that Miquella's brainwashing did to Mohg is it made Mohg stop funnelling blood to the Formless Mother and start funnelling blood to Miquella. Otherwise everything else Mohg did he did of his own free will, as far as I can tell.
>>741899223>>741899382Mohg wanted that boi-pussy be he wasn't OBSESSED with it until he stole him. Mohg wasn't wholly innocent, Miquella was just desperate after the Haligtree failed (I highly suspect the Haligtree was supposed to ascend him to godhood)
>>741904221What I'm saying is there is a difference between the ethos of the GO and the pathos of the GO. That schism is what Goldmasaka was trying to address that Miquella never seems to care about and why everyone can look at Miquella's Age of Compassion and see is just rote mind control from a forever child and is dumb. That loops back to Ymir telling you that Miquella is fucked up like Marika because she fucked him up as a matter of course. The actual goal of the god behind the curtain is to find out why these things are the way they are to utilize the ring the best and everyone uses it for personal gain instead. Miquella's empire was always going to be a retarded latchkey kid playing with his toys because he was written as one.
>>741904662>I don't think anything in the game draws any distinction between the Pureblood Knights and the Bloody Fingers.You get to talk to Varre and Ansbach a ton and they are the representations of their order to the player. >>741904725Mohg was like Radahn, completely unaware and at the short end of the stick because the other guy's power is compulsion to love. List all the demi-god powers or inclinations together and someone that hasn't even played the game will tell you the one with the ability to mind control others is going to get up to some shifty shit.
>>741900640>He was not accursed in the first placeWrong, the DLC shows that Omen are a curse born out of a contract between the Hornsent and the Formless Mother, as evident by the Outer God Talisman and the Bloodfiends being Omen without horn cancer.Morgott has cursed bloodflame as well.
>>741897219the final boss shouldn't be a boss we already foughteverything else about the DLC was kino
>>741898485You say that as if its a bad thing
>>741897219If i pooped inside your mouth, you will tell /v/ in 2 years that it wasn't that bad either.
>>741905923Dungeater pls stahp
>Boss has attacks that can't be parried>Boss has attacks that can't be jumped>Boss has attacks that can't be blocked>Boss has attacks that can't be interrupted through stance breaking>This is fine >Boss has 1 (One) attack (cross slash) that can't be roll dodged (it can, with light roll and a talisman)>Game needs to be patched to nerf it Explain this.
>>741897219Should have been Godwyn>b-b-but in the lore it sa-Should have been Godwyn
>>741910313It would be cool, but it also wouldn't make sense.
>>741909154because the hitboxes desynced from the model
>>741910313we were robbed of the proper ending to the DLC
>>741897219The fight is ridiculous and basically pushes you to one of two extremes. Either full rollspam or shieldpoking.
>>741897219He was a shit boss. Don't give a damn about ER lore, but I'm sure his lore was also shit.
>>741913198>Shield PokingNo you perfect block to build attack power then Guard Counter his ass during openings, Or you roll slop it.
>>741897219>final hard boss in hard game is le hard
>>741898091He only has 40% holy resistance, anon. His other defenses are about the same too. You just got thrown off by DLC Radahn having 0% holy resistance in Phase 1. It's not like Fortissax, Maliketh, Radagon, and the Elden Beast where the boss has 80% holy resistance.
>>741899382>>741899610Mohg always planned to kidnap and abuse Miquella to forcibly become Elden Lord (of Blood). Ansbach himself is partially in denial about how vicious and selfish Mohg was, but eventually acknowledges that fact and ultimately dies in combat asking the Tarnished to "Become our new lord. A lord not for gods, but for men." Mohg was a demi-god and served the Formless Mother, an outer god, so Ansbach's final words reject Mohg and the Formless Mother.
>>741900640Anon, how did you post the Bloodboon incantation's description and fail to realize that "besotted with the defilement that he was born into[,]" means that Mohg was further cursed with the same curse he had from birth? The Formless Mother and the bloodflame link to the Omen curse. That's why Morgott has bloodflame attacks in his second phase and why one of the Fell Twins has a bloodflame buff on his axe. Plus, not only does the Hornsent Grandam mention the Omen curse when talking to her after she has been attacked before the Divine Beast boss fight early in the DLC, but the hornsent society also had the Lamenter, who clearly has harmful horns like Mohg's and even has the ability to create weaker projections of himself a la Morgott and Mohg. The Lamenter form boosts Arcane as well, and the bloodflame stuff scales with Arcane.
>>741917115I may be putting Lore shit into From just being incompetent about balancing but anything that has Holy Resistance tends to be anything derived from the Erdtree/Crucible, has Grace or is a shardbearer. Ironically most Death things directly tied to Godwyn have high holy resistance like Rootfaces and Fortissax which seems very intentional.Resurrected Radhan isn't a shard barer anymore and has the body of Mohg, which is defiled by an outer god's curse ergo weak to holy. It's the inverse for Messmer. Messmer starts out with 40 Holy resistance then it goes down to 0 during phase 2 after he crushes his blessed eye and unleashes the abyssal serpent.
>>741917751There are people that still, probably to troll, heavily deny the Omen + Formless Mother connection mainly because it was a super popular idea at the games launch that Omen were like the Misbegotten, people oppressed for being blessed by the orthodox version of Marika's religion which she was trying to make the world forget through fear and subjugation.But even back then people who paid attention to Mohg's shit could tell that there was a blatant connection between the Outer God and the curse considering the twins had burning blood and blood consuming members of Mohg's Dynasty were growing omen-like horns.
>>741897219They should revert the nerfs, throughout the DLC they hyped up fighting a god and it delivered on that.
>godwyn named after his father>rennala’s kid named after either one>but every fucked up child is named after MarikaWhat’s the lore on thisWhat does it all mean
>>741918374In Elden Ring, holy damage and holy resistance can be derived from a wide variety of basically pagan sources and different outer gods. DLC Radahn starts with 0% holy resistance because Miquella wants to keep him weak to Miquella's damage type as an emergency measure, and the same goes for him having a low Scarlet Rot resistance in case Miquella can meet back up with Malenia and have her try another Scarlet Aeonia.
>>741919164Marika downplaying Radagon would me my best guess.
>>741919164They're not named after Marika, they just get names starting with M. Godwyn, Godrick, and Godefroy get named after Godfrey (which isn't even Hoarah Loux's real name), and Radahn is somewhat named after Radagon. Ranni gets the double N element from Rennala's name but otherwise has no connection other than the R. Mohg's name might not even technically be a name -- the name apparently means "slave" in regard to the mythological character the name comes from. Morgott also is basically named "dark god", or because the name is clearly inspired by Morgoth in Tolkien's writings and the inspirations for that in turn, Marika basically just declared that Morgott was dead to her from birth, even if he was clearly alive. Messmer and Melina were the only ones with somewhat "normal" names, but those might have been for the sole purpose of deceiving them into being tools, with one marched into what would be his own prison to commit a genocide and the other made to burn twice, in body and in soul as part of the plan to kill the Elden Beast out of possibly sheer spite.
>>741919517Every single holy resistant thing in the game is connected to Godhood proper, Marika, the Erdtree or the Elden Ring, or just straight up resists everything like Ancient Dragons (Obviously because of their stone skin).Everything weak to Holy either linked to the powers of an outer god(I.E Fire Monks) Generally Graceless heretics like the Nox and some Academy sorceres, is made of Silver Tear or are those who live in death or ghost entities(Except Revenants)Some exceptions exists for some peculiar reasons. You would assume the Godskins for example, would be weak to Holy. But they wear the SKIN of gods ergo their armor boosts them considerable holy resistance.Omen can have a surprising amount of holy resistance despite their curse, this may be because many Omen are Golden lineage(backed by Grafted Scions also being resistant probably due to being Godrick's brothers/children) or maybe early in development they were crucible based.Many Godwyn releated enemies all have high holy resistance probably because Deathroot is from the Erdtree, I'm thinking Revenants are intended to be related in some way hence their holy resistance.
>>741904954Nah, the Omen come from the obvious curse that the Granny put on Marika for killing her entire race. The Bloodfiends are just another type of mutant in the world. The Formless Mother's version of a Misbegotten.
>>741918857he is still mind boggling OP if you arent doing some stupid cheese build. The AOE attacks in his second phase are just straight up bullshit. malenia is the most fun and fair boss fight fromsoft has ever made compared to consort radahn.
>>741913198Lmao no, most of Radahn's attacks are consistent and parryable, he's pretty much Gwyn 2.0
>>741920780Yeah and where did Grandam get that power>>741918675
>>741899692>plays easy mode>says its easy
>>741897219I cheesed him with a spear and greatshield after they nerfed him
>>741897219>Spams impenetrable thorns in your direction >Heh. Nothing personal .
>>741898810>pre nerf>use this turd shield or summon a player, otherwise radahn WILL rape you>thanks for playingis it still like this?
>>741920378Several holy-resistant enemies aren't tied to the Erdtree or Elden Ring, such as the Cleanrot Knights and Night's Cavalry. The Divine Beast Dancing Lions also have 40% holy resistance despite not being gods and having no connection to the Erdtree or Elden Ring. The Fire Giant also manages to have 20% holy resistance even while having zero resistances to magic or lightning damage, and Black Knife Assassins have 40% holy resistance, their highest defensive stat. Some enemies have low holy resistances, but others get a high resistance from their own pagan sources. Even Godskinners appear to have a lot of Grace in their own eyes, not just in their gruesome "armor."
>>741921158>whereThe Hornsent generally seem to worship nature spirits in a general sense over a deity in the specific sense. Nature and the elements, rather than a mono/henotheistic cult like other groups in the setting. Kami in general, rather than a God in the singular.
if I beat this nigga (with the mimic tear) can I beat sekiro?
>>741920780The Formless Mother probably has some influence over the Misbegotten as well, considering how their roars make them get the same red eyes as spirits affected by the Cursed-Blood Pots.
>>741921405yea
>>741921431Fromsoft just likes their red eyes.
>>741922168The red eyes in Dark Souls 3 were often used to note Abyssal corruption.
>>741921363>Cleanrot KnightsInfected with the rot but stalwartly faithful to Miquella as extensions of Malenia's will, who is Miquella's blade.Their weapons utilize the Golden Order knowledge Miquella derived for Radagon. Yeah no shit they're among the holiest enemies in the game, despite being diseased.>Night's CalvaryAgents of Morgott the Grace Given, Of course they're holy resistant they're just Leyndell Knights in edgy armor.>Divine Beast LionCrucible touched Hornsent possessed by a Crucible born God. The Crucible and the Erdtree are the same force, so of course they're holy.>Fire GiantHe's bound to tend to the fire, a prisoner and warden to his own God. That small holy resistance is probably from Marika's power. All the followers of the Fell god are weak to Holy.>Black KnifeThey hold trace fragments of the Rune of Death. All things holding fragments of the Elden Ring tend to be Holy Resistant.
>>741921379She made a curse and the Formless Mother answered I have no idea why you people deny it so much.
>>741922273Working for Malenia doesn't mean getting free holy resistance from her being a demi-god. Their weapons relate to their offense, not their defense. The Night's Cavalry don't get any Grace powers from Morgott, they're just cavalry trained to beat wannabe assassins at their own game. The Divine Beast Dancing Lion was the subject of Enir-Ilim's hexing rituals that created things like the Bone Bow, and the Remembrance icon is lacking gold. Marika only cursed the Fire Giant, she didn't impower him, and the followers of the Fell God aren't weak to holy damage, they just tend to have low elemental resistances save for fire. The Black Knife Assassins only have the rune fragments in their weapons, not their armor. I didn't even bring up the Miranda Flowers and their 40% holy resistance despite just being normal flora in the Lands Between. Margit and the fake Mohg also have 40% holy resistance despite those projections not having a Great Rune.
>>741897219gameplay-wise? sure.lore-wise? who gives a fuck.
>>741897219>In retrospect, he wasn't really that bad.Easy for us to say, because we've mastered him, so going back is easy, provided you weren't a shield shitter.
>>741922365Because the 'official Hornsent' are all associated with storm and elemental magic, not blood and no Arcane.
>>741898810Haligtree Great Shield is the best great shield because it has stats close to the other great shields, but slightly better and it looks the coolest. just a shame you have to grind to get it. stone shield is just ez mode but looks shit and weighs too much.>>741921241haligtree or golden great shield plus the biggest green bar you can get with tears + talismans. radahn isn't even hard if you have a huge green bar. you can tank everything he throws at you.
>>741922986The inquisitors (of which the Hornsent Grandam appears to be a high-ranking member) regularly tortured others, and the rituals hornsent went through to become "tutelary deities" often involved self-harm, hence the descriptions for the Curseblades' weapons.
>>741922796>Working for Malenia doesn't mean free holy resistance.They are holy knights versed in a demigod who practically invented half the Golden Order fundamentalism encants. Their armor also notably sports 26% holy resistance which the highest among its provided resistance.Yeah there is grounds to explain their high holy resistance, they are clearly blessed.>Nights Calvarly don't get grace powers from Morgott.They're Morgotts agents and their armor is both Holy and Fire resistant which is also reflected in their actual resistance spread. It's clearly the craft of their armor.>Divine Beast Lion was subject to Enir-Illims hexxing ritual.And? It's a crucible god and thus holy I don't get why you don't get it>It's in their WEAPONS!Black Blade Kindred also sport insane holy resistance. If you have the Rune of Deaths power you are holy resistant, it's obvious.>Miranda's FlowersCrucible beings, they can even summon its energies hence their namesake Crucible encant.>Omen IllusionsThe Omen Illusions mimic their masters?
>>741922986The hornsent didn't worship the formless mother originally, they discovered her in the shadows of their Tutelary Deities (Ancestral corpse gods) and some became Bloodfiends.This happened during Messmer's Crusade, out of desperation. The formless mother isn't alone in this. Romina was answered to by the Rot God.
>>741923068>Haligtree Great shield>One random Unalloyed Knight drops itBy far the most retarded drops in the game. Why just ONE out of the entire set of Unalloyed Knights?It's about as retarded as having the Ripple Crescent Axe be a store buy while having the ripple crescent polearm and Wooden club be drops. I wasted like 2 hours farming for it before learning fucking Pidia sells it.I get that the Great Shield is among the best Holy blocking shields in the game, but the true retardation is just straight up replacing it with the Black Knight Great Shield in the DLC.
After dealing with all the other bullshit bosses I just wanted to get it over with
>>741923397The Cleanrot Knights are knights who just know how to wield holy offensive incantations, that wouldn't give them a major 40% holy resistance like several bosses receive. They're not getting that from the Elden Ring or as demi-gods, the holiness comes from a different source, such as whatever Miquella's trying to invent from scratch. Night's Cavalry get no inherent resistances from working for Morgott, he doesn't grant those and their armor is just stark steel and black cloth, nothing golden or otherwise sacred. Divine Beasts aren't Crucible gods, they're just horned lions the hornsent channel with hexes and that have apparently been stripped of any gold if the Remembrance icon is any indication. Black Blade Kindred are formed from corpsewax that is itself partially infused with the Rune of Death, whereas the Black Knife Assassins only wield a knife infused with a fragment of that rune. Miranda Flowers aren't Crucible beings, otherwise virtually all plants and animals in the setting would be Crucible beings. The Crucible Knight incantations are just channeling Crucible energies to replicate animal and plant traits, and Miranda beams are white, not gold. The projections of Margit and Mohg lack the Great Runes the actual people do, so the 40% holy resistance has to be from something else.>>741923521The traces of the Formless Mother were likely always there once they began torturing people, harming themselves, and committing murder to create Enir-Ilim.
>>741925416You're not doing a great job refuting any of the rationale beyond holy resistance.How does Cleanrots "Being offensive holy encant users" means they would possess resistance to holy? A lot of mages in the game have high magic resistances when based on your logic they shouldn't.>The lion is not a crucicle godAnon the Hornsent built a divine tower with a gate that can create gods. This tower channels the crucible according to the "spiral" incantations and other Hornsent items that allude to the vortex, spiraling nature of the crucible.The Dancing Lion is very obviously a crucible related entity, it's depicted as being covered in horns. I don't know what Remembrance colors has to do with shit every bosses Remembrance is colored differently.>Miranda Flowers aren't crucible relatedPic related.
>>741926070>How does Cleanrots "Being offensive holy encant users" means they would possess resistance to holy? A lot of mages in the game have high magic resistances when based on your logic they shouldn't.Knowing offensive arts possibly first taught before Miquella started working from scratch doesn't mean they'd receive any inherent defensive holiness in turn. The whole nature of Elphael also means that many of the people serving in its military may have initially been without Grace and otherwise marginalized in the Lands Between, so they wouldn't have a lot of Grace from their lineage either. As for magic, that's utilized differently in the Lands Between with a highly academic approach and learned attunements and affinities for magic as a whole. Things like the Hierodas Set also imply that some mages have Glintstone beginning to grow on their very bodies, which could provide some magic resistance. That's still far from the regular 40% holy resistance commonly seen with various bosses and enemies in Elden Ring.>Anon the Hornsent built a divine tower with a gate that can create gods.>This tower channels the crucible according to the "spiral" incantations and other Hornsent items that allude to the vortex, spiraling nature of the crucible.The hornsent are trying to ape the Crucible, but the Divine Beasts aren't gods that came through the Gate of Divinity. They're creations of the hornsent by using horned lion carcasses and all sorts of hexing and grafting, hence the two sets of teeth.>Pic related.The art Devonia invented harnesses the Crucible, but the flowers themselves are just flowers and use no gold -- some even have an affinity for Glintstone. For the Miranda Flowers to truly be outright Crucible beings, virtually everything in the setting would have to be a Crucible being. Also, with outer gods like the Scarlet Rot one being capable of creating their own ecosystems, that would leave several outer gods with the ability to cast such a broad holy net.
>>741926756>The whole nature of Elphael implies many people joined without graceI see no reason to believe humans that joined Miquella's guard, or Melania's Cleanrots, were ever stripped of grace. In fact the Lordsword of Ephael are evidence that they are graced.It's specifically Albinaurics that are graceless, Misbegotten is a grey area since they are crucible blessed.Your not making any grounds here, if they have offensive encants they are bound to have defensive ones. It's pretty damn simple.>The lions aren't this obvious thingCome on anon, the only aspect of Hornsent culture where their gods aren't crucible ascended entities are their weird ancestral corpse godsThe specimen hall is filled with massive crucible touched entities that are very obviously things that came from the gate. Your shit about it coming from grafting has zero evidence.>Back to flowers not being touched by the crucible.Anon the Aspect skill says it's straight up crucible energy. The tarnished version isn't gold. The flowers can literally tap into the crucible powers>But the variants!Yes, and? Outer God or glint stone corruption doesn't mean they lose access to the crucibles power.
>>741924872that's why I just use the merchant mod now. if an item needs to be farmed I just take it for free, same for smithing stones. farming doesn't add anything to a second or third playthrough.
>>741897219Eventually you'll realize that 99.9% of complaints about these games are just people either not understanding something or blaming the game for their own incompetence, the remaining 0.1% is about bugs or boss runbacks.
>>741897219I beat him with Greatmace and no shield or summons on releaseYes it was
>>741904548I think the most interesting thing about Miquella's Great Rune is that what it actually DOES seems to be is it resists Miquella's own inherent power, and the implication therein that Miquella's ability to "compel affection" (read: mind-rape) is in some way intrinsic to him, it isn't related to his status as a demigod or given to him by divine birth of Marika or granted by the Golden OrderBetween this and having his own associated divine metal (Melina does by proxy of verdigris being associated with the scarlet rot, Miquella's own associated metal is "unalloyed gold" or pure gold which is also a play on his own ego) I wonder if Miquella isn't some other outer god's proxy and he's too up his own ass to see itGranted, like, Berserk parallels and all that, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that Miquella is a reference to Griffith and as that holds Miquella would have been the ordained chosen one by a greater sense of "fate" instead of an actual higher power
>>741927696>Melina*Malenia
>>741897219I summoned and beated the game
>>741927696>Verdigris is a gift from the Rot GodWhere is that from? The fact that Moore's "family" is rot shrimp?I always assumed the forager clan helped him discover it.>Unalloyed GoldYeah it means pure gold but I think the concept of it is that Marika's concept of the golden order was impure because she didn't deal with the outer gods.She sealed destined Death but didn't seal shit like Fire or Rot the same way, so they existed and spread influence, as oppressed as they were by the Erdtrees power.
>>741927435Not stripped of Grace, but low on it, or among populations that never had it on the fringes. Also, why would wielding the Lordsworn weapons mean they had Grace? The item descriptions just say they were "wielded by regular's of a lord's army." They were soldiers in the Elphael army Miquella founded. There's also yet another difference between an offensive incantation and a fundamentally inherent resistance that requires no incantation to be cast. Albinaurics are a different case for being artificial, manmade life forms who are also particularly vulnerable to holy damage, having negative defenses against it.>Come on anon, the only aspect of Hornsent culture where their gods aren't crucible ascended entities are their weird ancestral corpse gods>The specimen hall is filled with massive crucible touched entities that are very obviously things that came from the gate. Your shit about it coming from grafting has zero evidence.The Gate of Divinity doesn't lead to some horned god land, it basically puts an Empyrean in some kind of ethereal cocoon that transforms them into a god, or places them somewhere like the Elden Beast's dimension. Horned animals are rife throughout the central Lands Between and the specimens in the storehouse lived in Rauh in ancient times. The Divine Beast Dancing Lions also have antlers sticking out of their upper backs, so considering those and the second set of teeth, the hornsent grafted something on a la their jar stuff.As for the Miranda Flowers, the incantation uses Crucible energy as a medium, the flowers are a non-golden life form.
>>741928201Moore himself is also probably a rot shrimp in armor, verdigris is a mystery metal that's only seen used by an NPC associated with scarlet rot directly or indirectly (Moore), verdigris as a real-world metal is a toxic or semi-toxic form of tarnish on brass, copper and bronzeMiquella is notably the only one that questions whether Marika's gold is "pure" or not through the assertion his gold is superior, even the reddish color of the Crucible Knights is supposed to be the final step of the Great Work (transmutation) as described in the works of alchemy with the step of Rubedo
>>741928681>Not stripped, but low on itAs far as we know regarding the lore on grace, I see no reason why that would be the case. Grace is granted or taken away by Marika. While Miquella had ambitions to reject Marika, there is nothing indicating his cause was ever stripped of grace. We only know that Tarnished were stripped of Grace.Every lord had a population under its servitude, The Cleanrots and the Haligknights are clearly derived from that population.>Why would wielding lordsworn weaponAll Lordsworn have grace. Their eyes are gold, their state of existence, basically "undead" in a sense, is a result of being in grace. Albinaurics were already mentioned, they are artificial life forms made of silver tear, Born outside of normal living things, they by virtue of their existence are not given grace, which is why they view Miquella as a savior.>The gate of divinity doesn't lead to some horned god land, it puts an empyrean in a cocoon.I didn't say it lead anywhere, I said that by the power of the tower they become gods. A crucible worshipping race is going to ascend into crucible entities. That's what they worship, they love their horns. It's pretty simple, they made the tower to make gods. No, Marika and Miquella not becoming horned animals doesn't detract from this understanding. They clearly take on forms that represent them.>It's all random crucible chimeras in the specimen houseThere is a giant crucible man in there, that's clearly a slain god. I mean the Godskins got their immortal skin coats from something, the gate was clearly once widely used.>Grafting on lionIt's a costume my friend>Flowers are non-golden life formsWeird definitions for weird details. Most crucible animals lack gold on them.
>>741928820I doubt Moore is a shrimp. I do agree that the rusted nature DOES seem akin to rot, but at the same time the Verdigris Talismin is found in the hornsent ruins and also matches the Fell Gods divine eye.
