>"Toby should forget his western audience and solely dedicate his work to his eastern audience!!!">Game immediately turns into NTRYou guys got what you asked for
>>741926849bros no what the fuck why did the jew man pull a judaism on us
>>741926849>Toby should forget his western audience and solely dedicate his work to his eastern audienceThe only people who might have ever said that are the Eastern audience members. Even as a weeb, why would you want a game to stop appealing to your culture's taste just so it's appeals more to a foreign culture's taste instead?
>>741927347because weebs are typically retarded and hate their own culture and race
Deltatroons lost bigly
>>741930653They lost loads
>>741931038loads as in...?
>>741926849> Chapter is weeb themed.> Weeb tropes It makes sense desu
>>741926849>twisting telling twitter to fuck off into the entire western fanbaseI don't even like this guy's shit, but kill yourself, you disingenuous faggot.
>>741931194There were people here literally saying that verbatim
>>741926849he actually did turn into a nip writer
i cannot wait until my game comes out and bodies this freak
>>741931076Loads of semen jerking off to NTR
>>741926849Westeners fucking love NTR though. Have you ever seen Western media? Comic books, TV shows and movies are fucking full of NTR.Every Spider-Man discussion is about who Mary Jane's gonna fuck next while Peter's crying. Half the main focus of Lost was about a girl bouncing between and fucking two different dudes. Game of Thrones was full to the brim of cuckoldry.Asia is the only place that actually calls NTR out. If you have NTR in your shounen then you're liable to get cancelled. Pic related.
>>741932602You don't see English-speakers make games like NTRPG2, Dark Hero Party, or Bahamut Lagoon.
>>741932778If you've looked into the WEG market then I can assure you, you absolutely do see English speakers make cuckshit games.The point is that those games are niche and specifically labelled as such. Meanwhile, the West will just release a game like Saros without a care in the world and there's no thought or worries about the cuckoldry in it. Hell, even something like Helltaker dips into this, where the author got bored of the MC and just removed him from the plot, so now it's only about the girls.
>>741932778>>741932908The design team/writers for BG3 had to be talked out of having the female love interests actively fuck other guys to increase the drama. Western writers still got a billion miles out of their way to make every possible love interest older and explicitly not a virgin too.
>>741933003I never played that, I'm sure you're right. But dude, you're coping hard if you're going to try and tell me japs don't LOVE cuckshit
>>741932602>Asia is the only place that actually calls NTR out. If you have NTR in your shounen then you're liable to get cancelledEvidently, you're wrong
>>741931076As in the shotgun load I'll be inserting into my shotgun to blow your fucking head off you erping tranny fuck.
>>741933175you're responding to the wrong one, i ain't a cuck
The twitter screencaps I've seen have been hilarious. Fans are going nuclear and turning on Toby so hard, calling him every name in the book. He's now a misogynistic racist homophobic incel apparently. He probably always was, though Undertale's biggest demographic was LBGTQ people who hailed it as the greatest thing ever. I'm convinced Homestuck nerds evolved into Undertale fans.
>>741933217>I'm convinced Homestuck nerds evolved into Undertale fansThey did.
>>741933217> He's now a misogynistic racist homophobic incel apparently. He probably always washuh?
>In Chapter 4, we did some epic memery on the Reddizon...>That's why, ("sore dake" for all my baka gaijin out there, teehee!) let's not look there for now. Let's turn around and watch our shit, as it goes down the toilet completely.>Let's take a shit all over the story.>Let's fuck it up right near the end, okay?>...>In my opinion, being cucked fits the overall story of my life.
>>741933343Idk I don't care about Toby Fox or Undertale/Deltarune but apparently fans are upset about something in Deltarune, like Toby can't write female characters and they're upset about how some character was portrayed or how the story was written so now they're turning on him and calling him names.
>>741933131It's a matter of market separation. In Japan the cuckshit is kept away from the mainstream, it's specifically labelled and segmented, anyone who goes into it knows what they're getting.The picture I posted earlier is from Kanaagi a very classic example of someone trying to do the Western idea of mixing those streams, using an NTR plotline to ignite the community. And instead, the series got completely incinerated, it went from a massive success right on the cusp of becoming the next big thing to an absolute disaster, so fully abandoned you've probably never even heard about it.Meanwhile, as I pointed out, in the West cuckshit is standard soap opera nonsense and is happily mixed right through any mainstream property.
>>741933217>He's now a misogynistic racist homophobic incel apparently.The troons are really that mad? Maybe Toby was actually based all along and I should start playing this game.
>>741926849>NTRweird route literally has the girl give up her life for us. the deer gave everything to us to end her pathetic life.
>>741933003That's less due to a fetish for NTR specifically and more to sell the idea that the love interests are already "mature" and "experienced" and therefore there is no possible way that romancing them could be seen as grooming in any way, shape or form (something that westerners are pretty paranoid about).In Japanese games though, NTR is much more about the (perceived or real) inadequacies of the protagonist or other such BS, the same things that NTR tends to fetishize (beyond the obvious cheating aspect).
>>741933496I don't know man. The fact that it's an entire market in Japan? That's not good. And I am almost certain there are ntr subplots in mainstream jap shit as well. Look at berserk
>>741933759Berserk is supposed to be edgy
>>741933573Chapter 5 normal route is basically the MC getting cucked and humiliated, dragged along as a 3rd Wheel on Susie and Noelle's date, and otherwise ignored by Susie.The Ch5 weird route is super small and meta but has some fun stuff with Kris and Noelle.>>741933759Having a market for it is a hell of a lot better than it being the market.When I read manga it's extremely unlikely I'll open the story into a chapter full of cuckshit. When I'm reading comics it's practically guaranteed.
>>741933801And people love berserk, east or west it's beloved. So I don't think ntr is as despised over there as you want to believe
>>741933873>me when I'm actually a sub iq disingenuous retard
>>741933847>Having a market for it is a hell of a lot better than it being the market.Comic book cuckoldry is hated over here too. People hate modern comics. I think you should understand this is a modern media phenomenon a lot more than an east vs west thing
>>741933953Me when I'm right and you've got nothing to say
>>741933847>Chapter 5 normal route is basically the MC getting cucked and humiliatedI haven't played the game but is there any justification for this? Sounds like the Japanese have had too much of an influence on him or he just wants to masochistically embarrass the player.
>>741934000When that happens, let me know, alright sweetie? Now go eat your tendies, they're getting cold.
>>741934158It happened when I brought up berserk and you can't accept the fact that one of the biggest mangas had the most infamous case of ntr
>>741933496>Meanwhile, as I pointed out, in the West cuckshit is standard soap opera nonsense and is happily mixed right through any mainstream property.It's easy to forget just how much of normie masculinity is using women as measuring sticks. You're not supposed to feel like her ability to commit is questionable, you're supposed to wallow in the idea that your EXPERIENCE and CHARISMA will just dickslap her entire personality and leave nothing but a high-quality trophy wife for showing off in front of the boys later.
>>741934201>I-It happened w-when- Concession accepted.
>>741934254Why even respond when this is all you've got? You're just seething
>>741934254Why do people think winning arguments here is valuable? We're not anon as a culture gimmick, it's actually irrelevant what we say or do here, that's the point.
>>741934435Why do you think winning arguments here is valuable? We're not anon as a culture gimmick, it's actually irrelevant what we say or do here, that's the point.
This face is genuinely the hottest thing I've ever seen. Pure depravity.
>>741934201NTA, but in Berserk it's more like>this man who used to be your best friend BETRAYED you, KILLED all your comrades and RAPED and BROKE the woman you love, what are YOU going to do about it?>I'm going to stab him with a sword taller than me and almost as thick as my COCK!Even if later Guts gives up on his revenge, you are never meant to see him as unjustified for wanting to kill him for qhat he did, nor are you meant to see Griffith as a good guy in any way, shape or form.Meanwhile in "true" NTR plots you are forced to accept that the woman you love is lost forever to someone who is simply better than you (in some fundamental way), and to rage against it is treated as being as the tempre tantrum of a pathetic little incel.You'll have to agree the tone is pretty different.
>>741932908this faggot knows his eroge. What have we become. This is supposed to be a Deltarune thread.
>Yellow is a cool cowboy!>Yellow in Deltarune:
>>741926849ExplainI'm not playing Deltarune until the whole game is complete.
>>741935617Yeah, you're right. But it's still a form of ntr right? And it's mainstream. That's all I'm trying to say here, I don't think cuckshit is liked east or west. And making a blanket statement about all culture in either case is shortsighted.
>>741935809God, I wish that was me.
>>741927347Eastern nerds have even worse taste than western nerds a lot of the time, Japan produces a lot of excellent creatives but holy shit do audiences blow their top over the most retarded shit sometimes.
>>741935894The digital amazing circus show is a proof of that
>>741935839NTR is generally based on the powerlessness and inadequacy of the cuck in the face of the cucking, I wouldn't count any situation where you are actually morally justified and actually able to take revenge on the "bull" (or even the cheater) as "true NTR", the feelings it wants to elicit are completely different.
>>741926849>>"Toby should forget his western audience and solely dedicate his work to his eastern audience!!!">meanwhile japan accounts for less than 10% of Undertale sales What's happening here?
Xenoblade won
>>741936106Maybe. But it's sort of semantics. I bring up berserk because people do usually say that scene is ntr. But with anything there are caveats. You're right, it is supposed to piss you off and you're supposed to be on Guts side. But the other ntr stuff you bring up is twisted on the face of it because you're supposed to be okay with infedility. You could point to something western like idk Titanic (not even a fan of that movie btw, James Cameron made way better) and say that it's ntr because the woman cheats on her abusive husband. But in most fetish ntr content, it seems to just operate on a might makes right philosophy. I feel like I'm rambling and I forgot what point I was about to make here
Still jealous?
>>741935839>>741936106 (me)Sorry, forgot to get to the point.Anyway, the thing is, both in western amd eastern cultures the "revenge" plot is based on some kind of wrong the protagonist suffered, among which getting cucked is a possibility.But in eastern fiction specifically, there is an attitude of "it is what it is" that goes in direct contrast with the more "never give up, rebel against your fate until the very end!" attitude that tend to be present in most western works.This also extend to NTR, because while cheating is not uncommon in western fiction is always "justified" in some way (the cucked is a scumbag anyway, the story is from the point of view of the cheater and this is supposed to be a moral low point for them, etc...), also it tends to affect both men and woman equally.Meanwhile in so many Japanese works the narrative present the MC as a good guy whose biggest defect is being maybe somewhat boring, who when cucked despairs and the point of the story is him managing to move on (or not).There is no catharsis of any kind, just a grim acceptance, this is why I say there is a difference in attitudes.
>>741936541Why would I be jealous on not being able to associate with notorious hacks of the industry?
>>741935839>>741934201>>741934000>>741933873Most embarassing way to display you have a porn addiction and are a virgin AND media illiterate, jesus christ
>>741936738People who actually use the term media illiterate are usually porn addicts
>>741936796>n-no uConcession status?
>>741936479>I bring up berserk because people do usually say that scene is ntr.People are only half serious when they say that, it's like saying that the scenes with Donovan are shota porn.
>>741932778Because it's too common in Western games so they don't even have a genre for it
>>741936916I mean the fact that you jump straight to accusing others of being virgin porn addicts does make me inclined to believe you're exactly that. Anon doth protest too much
>>741936935Not common enough to have its own fetish genre? Smells like you're coping
>>741927347>>741927416To build on that point its because in western society for whatever reason the "to-be-weeb" does not feel like they belong or are allowed to belong due to their inclinations, interests, or tastes. So in finding a culture that they perceive as more closely aligning with what they want out of life they reject their home culture.I'e the way Japan has presented itself for decades is as a highly ordered but very sexually servicing society in a way that say American culture has been pulling away from since the 2010s and leaving people who want those things in the lurch. That's not to say Japan is just anime stereotypes, but that's what of itself it imports to the west and that's what Weebs find greater value in than their home cultures.
>>741936663>Notorious hacksName one gamedev that isn't a hack, and don't try to be "le ironic funnyman" and say Todd Howard or bullshit like that.
>>741936541not a single good game KEK
>>741937136I would love to see how weebs would actually handle themselves in Japan. The expected Japanese work ethic would make at least half of them would commit seppuku
>>741932602>>741932908The difference is that the West mainly does NTR either to try and moralfag about woman's independence or to emulate soap opera storytelling.The East mainly does it for sexual reasons.
>>741937269>The East mainly does it for sexual reasons.Is that supposed to be any less degenerate?
>>741937241>Japanese work ethicIt's a joke, as long as you warm your office chair you can even sleep on your desk and be rewarded for it.
>>741931415You put way too much stock into the influence that we have. 4chan in general is like the special needs kid no one either knows about or wants to associate with.
>>741937020You're a bit stupid aren't you
>>741933217>I'm convinced Homestuck nerds evolved into Undertale fans.That's quite literally what happened.>hey fellow Homestuck fans, the Radiation guy who did all that music for our favorite webcomic is now making a game. Since Homestuck is going through yet another hiatus and the story went to shit anyway, why not check it out instead?And the rest is history
>>741937332A bit. So what?
>>741937205When I come across one I'll let you know.
>>741937205That's the thing. Creatives need other creatives to keep them in check. Even the greatest ones do, George Lucas for example.
>>741937241>>741937307>The expected Japanese work ethic would make at least half of them would commit seppukuThe karoshi meme really needs to die, this hasn't been true for a decade now. Americans work more the Japanese these days.
>>741937470Anon, those are officially reported work hours. Japan has figured out the bad image they have so they stopped reporting the mandatory overtime they do. t. IT guy in an airport, was sent to japan for a couple of months.
>>741937298The fact that in one case its purely to message or bait, and for the other your meant to jack off to it is.The first two are still terrible, but its a different kind of terribleness that assumes much less about the character of the one consuming the media.
>>741937298No, but it's more honest about it.
>>741937579>>741937581You can slap anime googly eyes onto a pile of shit and weebs would love it
>>741937205KEIZO
I bet this is some overblown shit as always.What really happens in this chapter?
>>741934114What justification are you wanting? There isn't any, it's just making it clear "No, your characters love interest loves this girl instead."
>>741926849>his eastern audience.you mean Indians and Chinks? lmao. I don't think Japanese like his game that much, toby's fanbase consists of mentally ill leftist karens and soijack-tier spics and niggers from LATAM and India, they are all mentally ill leftist losers and get upset whenever you play their game "wrong" according to their "Only way to play the game" cult. (being peaceful and nice because being evil to video game characters makes you somehow IRL evil person.)lmao, get these bitches locked up.
>>741937697Kris sits down while Susie bridal carries Noelle and they exchange cringe romantic dialogue
>>741937516Which company did you work at? This was true in the 80s up until the early 2000s but now things have changed and companies do have to report overtime to encourage more workers to stay because they'll get paid in the end.>t. Know various people that went to Japan and worked there and telling me about their experiences
>>741937470you only work when your government pays you well, the reported Finland for example is a meme, 90% are in fucking around w/o a stable job.
>>741937785>90% are in fucking around w/o a stable job.>90%yeah okay, whatever you say bro.
>>741933212yet...
>>741937697Toby continues to be really fucking bad at writing romance but fantastic at writing friendships with the potential to become romances.And the entire Light World Section is basically Kris "to busy scheming for my feelings" Dreemur being forced by Susie and Noelle to play wingman while they make googoo eyes at each other with portly written dialogue and then sit on a bench while they confess their love.
>>741937758Isn't this exactly what the community wanted though? This game is literally made for gay people.
>>741937269If anything that means the East is more pure about it. But the reasons don't matter, the point is East doesn't mix the streams.If I read Naruto I'm not gonna get any cucking. Guaranteed. If I read Batman there's a 60% chance of cucking any given arc (90% with Spider-Man).If I play Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Persona etc there's a near zero chance of cucking. If I play WRPGs that's far less certain. Kingmaker literally pulls the plot over at one point to give you the sexual history of a girl who had appeared to be a virgin. It has no relation to the story, to her character, to anything that's going on, the scene interrupts everything you're doing just to make it clear that this woman isn't a virgin and then to talk about all the sex she had with this other guy (who, again, never makes an appearance in the story and isn't relevant to anything).
>>741937907Oh it is, don't get me wrong. I hate this game. But so many anons here somehow deluded themselves into thinking Toby was secretly based and was going to give them the straight ship they wanted
>>741937910>If I read Naruto I'm not gonna get any cucking. Guaranteed.>proceeds to post an example that has cuck shit in it
>>741937697Whether or not it's overblown comes down to how seriously you took the earlier chapters seeming to suggest a romance between Kris and Susie.He's clearly just the 3rd wheel for Susie and Noelle this entire chapter. There's even a bit where he "confesses" to Susie and she ignores him.
>>741926849Doesn't Sussy have a futa cock in every deltarune fanart? Maybe you guys corrupted him and got him to start inserting futa NTR into the game.
>>741937976
>>741937741>What justification are you wanting?Seething cuck alert!
>>741937987>Expecting a straight relationship on "reddit: the game"That's all on you, also expect a gay romance with Kris and Ralsei.
>>741926849I "follow" deltarune by spoilers on social media since I can't avoid them, despite not being interested in the game. But I had to check thrice if the love triangle thing was real, I was laughing so hard.Not even persona 4 got something like that, amazing
>>741937910>If anything that means the East is more pure about it.>Masturbating to inadequacy and infedility is pure because japs did itThis is your brain on weebshit
>>741937910And that s fair, but from my perspective the very existence of NTR as being deemed valid whatsoever as a pure sex thing is worse than getting a flashbang of it in media that's using it for other means even if its contained to its corner.Like ideally it wouldn't happen at all but "NTR is good and sexy" is more abhorrent than "she should be allowed to ride the cock carousel CHUD" and if it cannot be purged from culture completely, watering it down and stripping its independent meaning is the lesser of two evils.
toby really wrote himself into a cornerthe progressive suselle card cant be played because the fanbase thinks that kris is nonbinary (with trannies self-inserting), and thus the cishet white male punching bag NTR trope can't be played
>>741938160NTA, but I think he means that in Japan it's seen as a purely fetish thing, while in western case it's about normalizing it/moral grandstanding/humiliate these supposed male role models (see also: Superman getting anally raped that one time), which makes it a part of the culture war.
>>741938254>fanbase thinks that kris is nonbinaryToby himself said so.
>>741932602SARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>741937910>If I read Batman there's a 60% chance of cucking any given arcI don't read batman comic books. You got an example? And if you're just referring to cheating, cheating is a common theme across all countries. Because people cheat irl. Though I do think it's a cheap way of making romantic drama
>>741938313>see also: Superman getting anally raped that one timeWhat.
>>741933217post them
>>741938313>while in western case it's about normalizing it/moral grandstanding/humiliate these supposed male role modelsBut isn't ntr over in japan about how if a guy gets cucked you should revel in his suffering? This just comes off like mental gymnastics from that anon to say one is better because it's coming from anime land. Which I'm getting tired of that sentiment
>>741938252Also since I'm heading to be ill extrapolate on what I mean by "watering it down".Basically if NTR cannot be erased, destroying the concept of NTR as a sexual act done for its own sake by mixing it up with political ideologies, market trends, and other cultural messaging till its desexulaized and not really worthwhile to view as its own concept anymore.NTR is bad but jacking off to it is worse.
>>741926849>Western oikophobe wants to appeal to a culture he fetishizes as being "exotic">that culture has already been subverted for decades by the same progressive illness that plagued the West for centuries>not that he minds; he's already a part of the illness
>>741938531>But isn't ntr over in japan about how if a guy gets cucked you should revel in his suffering?No? Otherwise you may as well say the same for when children get raped, having a fetish for something doesn't mean you are morally alright with it or that you would actually do it in real life.
>>741938738I'm going off of what this guy said>>741935617>Meanwhile in "true" NTR plots you are forced to accept that the woman you love is lost forever to someone who is simply better than you (in some fundamental way), and to rage against it is treated as being as the tempre tantrum of a pathetic little incel.This to me seems like you're supposed to love it when some ntr character gets cucked
>>741938382This one
>>741938738>having a fetish for something doesn't mean you are morally alright with itNo, you're just morally alright with people touching themselves to it, because everyone is a libertarian when it comes to their vices.
>>741938792I'm the same guy.Anyway I personally don't think it's just a fetish thing in Japan, but when it's not you are not meant to find it pleasant.It's drama, basically, just like all those MC parents getting killed isn't a way to influence the population into thinking life as an orphan is totally cool.
>>741939071>it's just a fetish thing in JapanOf course it is. That doesn't mean a single person should have to tolerate it.Not that anon.
>>741937353I wasn't aware Toby Fox worked on Homestuck. That does make sense that and would explain how he already had some skills/knowledge about coding or doing things like that.
>>741939206I am that anon and I agree with you
>>741938813Why would superman ever be able to be raped?If he clenched hard enough, he'd cut your weiner off with his asshole.
>>741932602>>741932908Dandadan is a fairly popular manga where NTR bait is shoved down the reader's throat at every turn, even though it's supposed to be about teenagers fighting aliens and the supernatural. Elevens most definitely stick NTR themes into works that aren't explicitly NTR, and you're being either ignorant or disingenuous if you claim otherwise.
>>741937269Cuckolding as a trope in the West is as old as the Napoleon wars (even way before) and there's nothing new feminism brought to the table for that concept other than formalize it, like "open marriages" or "polyamory relationships" to describe women taking multiple paramours (aka reverse-harems in nip trope lingo), or laws protecting cuckoldery (lessened adultery repercussions, outlawing DNA testing for children, trying to force the cuck to pay for the alpha and his children)Japan isn't any different post-WW2 and the endless corporate drone working hours and promotion of 4B lifestyles basically encourage the same thingThe only difference between fictional NTR in the west (and south korea) vs japan is that NTR-related content in Japan still occasionally appeals to masochist males, whereas males are the one demographic that western goyslop writers and artists go to great lengths to carefully engineer it as the most humiliating and unappealing result possible, answering to feminist mandates about avoiding the male gaze (anything that might accidentally turn on males) or toxic masculinity (anything that might acknowledge male dignity), too much accelerationalism, among other things. The impact and the methods are unacceptable for western feminists. Something like Bahamut Lagoon would be acceptable by western writers if the male protagonist was villanized more and didn't get a happy ending for moving on unlike the heroine, a modern remake would add feminist lectures to the scenes where they rub the NTR in his face to lecture the audience why he sucks for not sitting on the chair enough. Otome plots and K-dramas are acceptable expressions of NTR for westerners precisely because they're unusable as wanking material and because all male creatures in the plot are sexual props with no agency.
>>741939696It's a slow-burn romance manga (that's where it got the title in the first place) so soap-opera plot devices go with the territory. It could do way worse as far as NTR goes (like Boku no Pico Academia before the bonus epilogue chapter, which did not confirm the main heroine ship but on the other hand had lots of official audio drama pushing hard for the faggotry ship, or the yuri Gundam anime series where Sunrise was seriously trying not to confirm the lesbian ship as obvious and unsubtle as an anvil to try and bamboozle unsuspecting heterosexuals) but it's welcome how much universal hostility there is in the east to romanticizing cheating harlots
>>741939791>Bahamut LagoonYoyo was never liked the first time people played that game and she was never liked still.
