Got any hopes and dreams(or despair and nightmares) about Deltarune's Chapter 6?
I hope it snowsI fear it will snow
The nightmare is already confirmed, since the weird route continues in chapter 7
>>741930239>hopes and dreamsDESS' MIKE>despair and nightmaresNO MIKE
>>741930239im mad theres only 3 save files because now it feels like aborting the weird route before berdly (for the twistedsword), aborting the route at the equip scene, aborting the route at the lake, and obviously proceeding into the lake will all have different ramifications going forward potentially. also wondering whatll happen if noelle joins you in chapter 6 and you put the thorn ring back on her at that point instead of making the twistedsword...
ralsei is trees
>>741930239Absolute Power Route.-Aborted Genocide (thorn ring) + Aborted Pacifist (crystal)-Every power item collected-All equipped to Chriissss, sorry Kris.Kris Solo's the final secret boss on his own as the ultimate display of dominance....And this is somehow the best outcome.
>>741930239i dunno, dark world being the hospital and rudy finally dying i guess
>>741930239I want to see the fallout of Susie inviting abort5 Noelle to Castle Town
Noelle's the only one that matters. She changed the trajectory of the game the moment chapter 2 released.
>>741932836For the worse.
>>741930239Image_Friend will turn out to be a random ass catNo actual significanceJust a cat that followed you aroundCats just manifest in dark worlds that way
>>741933929I mean, Chapter 5 did give us "Flowerners" in a way, what's to say "Catners" would be like that?
>Flowery told Susie not to tell anyone about where the shelter code is knowing that they're actively trying to prevent Susie from getting in Kris got outfucking skilled and outfoxed by a fucking FLOWER
>>741933929Could just be any stray cat who happened to be aroundthey go into the dark world and manifest as an image_friend thing
>>741934103knowing Kris is actively trying*jesus christ i'm tired
>>741934096>Ch 6 ending w/ an image friend chase sequence that ends with the fountain being sealed and there's just a harmless cat with sleeping in a corner back in the light world.>>741934096The 2 main variables are "who opened the fountain" and "what is their relationship"I think it isn't really about living or dead as it's blatantly following an animist logic.
>>741930239Normal and Aborted play 90% the same with minor variations mostly of something seeming more off with Noelle at the beginning.The last 10% of Normal and Aborted will deviate as hard as Weird and Normal did in 5
>>741930239I hope Toby Fox dies before it's finished.
>>741930239I no longer think this game will have a nice "Pacifist" style ending like Undertale did. No Asriel showing up at the end, he's probably gone already.
SEXWITHSETHBABYTHEY I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GOT IN THEM PANTS
>>741935567>filenameHolyshit, that guy is still around?
Am i the only one who fun Chapter 5 to be the worst? even the new battle theme get dunked on by ruder buster lmaoIt got less iconic themes, some of the characters are pretty nice (aqua, yellow) but ultimately it felt to "fast paced" and the dialogue really felt more generic than ch 2/3/4. Very sluggish and weirdly paced, its the longest one tooThat noelle obsession is insane
>>741935982A lot of people felt it was underwhelming. Some even feel it might have been written by Toby's team rather than himself.
>>741935982It's definitely the most divisive chapter by far. I think it's the weakest as well. Love the gameplay aspects though personally.
>>741936152Music wise, imo it only got 5-6 iconic tracks compared to the 15-18 ones of the older chapters. The remix were very bad (the new rude buster was pretty trash compared to ruder buster, or even vapor)Writing wise, it felt like a badly placed filler, like all the tension is gone for shipping sake. Aqua and yellow were pretty funny but the rest felt forced screentime and a drag. They overdid it with flowerly his theme isn't good and only few of his line are actually good (compared to queen, tenna or gerson)Gameplay wise its alright but the final boss is such a drag that they had to nerf it or you would have to change your layout due to how annoying switching phase is
>>741935982You're not. It felt stretched. The MMZ gameplay was shallow. The dark world felt like a fangame with how self referential it was. The secret boss being a joke was strange for an element very tied to the main plot. It felt very weird. Flowery and weird route were kino, but so much of the chapter was thoughtless
>>741936152It genuinely felt like a fucking fangame instead of Deltarune itself
Deltatroon thread>>>/lgbt/
Chapter 5 music so bad Spotify automatically plays Chapter 3 music instead of letting me listen to the album
>>741930239I'm honestly doubting whether Toby knows what he's doing with this one. Chapter 5 was such ass that I think he just did all the theorybaiting mysterybox cliffhanger bullshit to sucker me out of my money, and now that he has it he doesn't have to pretend to make a good game anymore. I was here since SURVEY_PROGRAM back in 2018, and this one chapter has me on my knees. Is it over?
>>741936925It’s over until chapter 6 drops then everyone will conveniently mysteriously magically be around to give Toblerone one last chance
I thought pretty much everything in the dark world was really fun the netskies and floradinns had a ton of good bits, the main flowers were mostly really enjoyable and I liked that they all actually had each others' backs and power of friendship you in the final bossBut god damn Susie got hit with the retard stick and the whole fucking thing was a Kris humiliation ritual what the fuck was up with that
>>741930239Why are you still doing this to yourself? You already know the game will continue being dogshit until the very end.
>>741936995Well I mean yeah, I'm deep in sunk cost fallacy, anon. Chapter 6 could be Toby taking a diarrhea dump in my ear and I'd still play chapter 7 just to see whatever this fever dream ending was, that it inspired a decade of work and an entire game before it
Does anyone else find the part where Noelle confesses how good she felt freezing Berdly to death insanely erotic?
>>741935567Every time I Heard Seths name I automatically though "Hey Hey people">"Hey Hey people, Sseth here, I am currently an antromoporhic flower homonculi, pretending to be a human to trick an old rich Goat Daddy, stuck in an underground dark world with no hope of escaping">"Needless to say, we are so back"
>>741931612>and you put the thorn ring back on her at that pointI'm guessing it's gonna be a Susie ribbon situation where she just won't let you. She already refused to ride the ferris wheel
Is the implication of "Nothing changed" that Noelle is a time looper?
I hadn't really considered the fact that the flowers are technically Lightners until now
>>741937481No retard, it's implying that Noelle was excited to do something crazy with you only for you to chicken out and go back to the same old same old
>>741936495Music wise the chapter unironically needed Your Best Friend, and Your Best Nightmare leitmotifs in anything flower related.
>>741930239It is my sincere hope, daresay my dream, that these threads finally get banished to /vg/ where they belong
>>741937880Need more space for your gachya and twitter screencaps threads?
>>741937801Don't bully me.... ;(
>>741937880I'm sorry your gachashit thread got archived
>>741937991It's 4chan, anon, if you're going to be dumb here you're going to be insulted. Simple as.
>>741936995Ch 5 has a decent "slow chapter but the next 2 will be full speed" copeStill feels a bit like a weaker ch 3 to me as it follows its beats and the plants being humans but not really that happen to have the same soul attacks as humans from undertale is just strange to the point I wondered if human ashes were fertilizing those plants like how gerson's ashes were used to fake world revive him. This is despite humans being differentBut like I still don't get what's special about a human as even the whole soul possession deal isn't unique to Kris.
Chapter 5 has torpedo'd my interest.Fun chapter but fucking nothing happened outside of weird route.
>>741938061How is time looping theory dumb?
I honestly I have no hope. A fun adventure chapter hitting no plot points this late into the game is not a good sign
I liked Chapter 5
>>741938083>>741938097>it was fun therefore it was badWhy are Deltatrannies like this, at this point he should just make a visual novel with all the hecking lore because clearly this is what his fanbase actually wants
It seems the japanese didn't like this chapter so much because Pixiv barely has a page of new art made by japanese artists.
>>741938084Because Deltarune has nothing to do with timelooping? If we were talking about Kris and whether they remember each save and load, MAYBE you could argue that's the timeloop story, just that we're the timeloop. But Noelle? Come on. She has shown no signs of this.
>>741938198unironically yes, you have to be braindead if you are playing this game for the rpg mechanics, or i guess now the 2d platforming mechanics. It would ensure the game is actually finished before the end of the decade
>>741938198Stop strawmaning.
>>741938198Tbh that sounds better than whatever chapter 5 was about, yeah.
>>741938301>you have to be braindead to play a game for the gameplayThis is /v/ in 2026.
>>741930239no, because i know what happened during the writing process. somehow probably because toby fucking told her somewhere omori had effectively the same twist as deltarune. kris was a little shitter and killed dess for stealing big brother's attention, asriel helped cover it up and yeeted her corpse into a dark world because he's schizo and thinks dark worlds can resurrect people from chapter 5 onwards, it's been rewritten to something else entirely, the weird route was supposed to just be you, the player doing some fucked shit to noelle basically making kris an unapologetic sadist who deserves whatever he gets where normal route would provide some redemption for kris by making them a friendly person thanks to (You) and coming out of their shell. chapters 5-7 are basically having writing done by a team, which has a couple really fucking stupid troons on it - tobias only really cares that his AoT reference ending where asriel is basically eren, coming back from college a deranged edgelord ready to nuke everyone happens and whatever plot about dess and kris and noelle is pretty much 100% getting reworked into something more retarded
>>741938364Not 'a' game. Deltarune specifically. No one cares about the gameplay in Deltarune, it's just the necessary vector to tell the story.
>>741938426>No one cares about the gameplay in DeltaruneIf your entire world consists of you and your fellow discord trannies maybe>Not 'a' game.kek
>>741938364Did I stutter? The gameplay is the most serviceable 5/10 shit ever, the only reason anyone is here is for the story and music. Do you really think people were hyped about the new bullet patterns and equipment in this chapter, or learning more about the characters and plot? The gameplay is merely a medium to tell the story because Toby thinks he's above making a webcomic
>>741938198>>741938198>>741938198Why is this anon putting words into my mouth?
>>741930239I really hope Ralsei and Kris drop the mystery box crap, it's getting tedious and 5 suffered from it.My nightmare is that they don't, chapter 6 is just as coy about everything, and we have to wait until 2036 for the actual plot to be revealed as chapter 7 explodes with scope-creep.
>>741938198If you gave me a car and the steering wheel didn't work and insisted it was still a working car i'd be angry.
>>741938507>Did I hecko stutter, motherfucking fuck nuggets?>>reddit
>>741938497No, I do mean no one. People who love the game don't super care about the gameplay, and the people who hate the game just don't care at all.
>>741938590Concession: accepted
>>741937220this was surprisingly close
>>741938198>because clearly this is what his fanbase actually wantsYes Toby this is what the fanbase ends up wanting when you keep lorebaiting and removing player agency
Why the fuck does Sans want a picture of the trioThey barely know each other and most interactions were abrasive at best.
Deltagroom is a game so bored of its own genre it becomes a platformer part way through
>>741932024touching ralsei's roots
>>741938509>I have no hope>A fun adventure>not a good signHe's not
>>741938097I had full faith in Toby until this chapter but now my faith is nosediving as I continue to doom about how bad the ending is going to be.
>>741938767>adding gameplay variety is.... le BAD
>>741938253How ironic if trueI mean, there's no memorable characters or with staying power as tenna. Aqua is cute, but that's literally it. You can find better, less bland options of magical girls than mew mew out there. Flowery is just a generic fujo bait you probably have seen countless times already and to make it worse, there's no assigned human male you can ship him with, tenna got a rise because people ship him with spamton. Everyone feels rather derivative.
>>741938253I think the Japanese are just in a hivemind of waiting for the full release.
>>741938294But wouldn't it be cool if there was a timeloop? It would explain how Noelle seemingly knew what would happen with Susie. Can't wait for Toby to also resolve that new plot thread.
>>741939097>Noelle seemingly knew what would happen with SusieWhat do you mean?
>>741939046It speaks volumes the one thing people fixate on in spite of everything in the normal route is Noelle going for a swim with us.
Deltarune is shinto game with anima everywhere and Ch 5 hard confirms itThey literally have the shinto shrines
You could make a chapter that’s all filler but loaded with Krusie and /v/ would gobble it up with zero irony
>>741939156Not really. Insert that scene into ANY other chapter, and it would still be the most talked about scene in that chapter.
>>741939032This but unironically. Toby combines like every overambitious indie dev flaw. It's honestly surprising he made it despite being that messy in his plans.
Seth rape scene
>>741939097>But wouldn't it be cool if there was a timeloop?No, actually. That sounds like pretentious nonsense, about on the level of 'it was all a dream' in how nothing actually happened and you were an idiot for getting invested in the ending.
>>741938767As much I liked those parts, I also think it's funny how the game tries so hard with randomly throwing minigames and having gimmicks and funny dialogues in fights to make up for its extremely simple battle system and rpg elements. As much it can come out as forced distraction, it works
>>741939213why are we talking about shipping teenagers for hours on end anywayswhy are we weird fucking creeps like this
>>741939209Asgore uses capital G singular God, anon.
>>741939143That's what I thought "Nothing changed" implies.
>>741939349These darkners are just a bunch of Kami under a dark fountain lens
>oops all kamilazy interpretation desu
Formally finished the ending of C5Toby...Please, god, make RAPEGrave good.
>>741939374She's saying nothing changed in Kris. The double meaning is just for us, the player
>>741938763I think he's 100% in the know about whatever the fuck is going on (no idea about which side if any he's trying to help) and knows that he'll need it later for some reason.Accompanying wild guess: He's on his time loop bullshit (maybe whatever goes on in deltarune is what gives him the meta-knowledge for undertale?) but can't perfectly remember things and needs a visual aid of who to help/hinder for the next go-round.Also has he or anyone else ever mentioned his brother? If not I'd imagine Kris asking out of nowhere set off some major alarm bells for him.
>>741939349Oh noIt's koreanNo wonder his attempt to appeal to Japanese people isnt working out
>>741935982I've seen a surprising amount of complaints, even from Suselle shippers how the game just rushes through the carnival and the romance to get Susie and Noelle together before the Dark World section. I thought that was amusing.
>Hold left for 100 seconds at every single bit of wheat that looks 'harvestable'>The egg was actually the easiest one to find by far and didn't need a hint at all
>>741939213I genuinely don't understand how the tards on this board see>explicit reveals that everyone is being forced into a predetermined story role, even to the point that it partially overwrites their own will>actual direct confirmation on why asgore lost his job/marriage>ralsei rapidly losing his shit, basically on the verge of snapping and going full schizo the entire chapter>onionsan being chopped up and eaten by the gaster NPCs>weird route now confirmed to be an active attempt to break the prophecy by making Noelle directly cognizant of how fucked her reality is, potentially meaning that it's intended progression>susie falling deep into delusional cope about the situation to the point where kris gets visibly upset about it and his role in itAnd write it off as "filler". The whole chapter was "SHIT IS GETTING WORSE" wearing the thinnest veneer of cheerfulness possible and everyone here writes it off as filler because Toby used Susie/Noelle shipping as the world's most obvious red herring.
>>741939270Yes, and there would still be other things to talk about like in other chapters. Noelle is absolutely carrying ch5 while her lungs are filled with water.
>>741939325But it is Toby's dream, anon. A dream that ends with you closing the game and leaving the fictional characters in the dark.
>>741939520I'm actually killing myself if this is what Toby devoted a decade of his life to create
>>741939516Oh, also>flavor text saying that the eggs are "evidence for something that hasn't happened yet">the reveal that the final lines of the chapter 3 egg room were basically instructions on how to clip out of the fucking world, and Noelle did it with you on Side B
>>741930239I really, really hope we see an actual abandoned Weird Route in 6.And preferably, a way to get into the really fucked chapter 5 Abandoned Weird Route from earlier abandons.
>>741939472>Also has he or anyone else ever mentioned his brother?Literally Chapter 1.>it's just gonna be you and my little brother.First instance of his brother being mentioned at all
Chapter 6.ICE-Es.
>>741939516Anon, most of this board is Indian at this point. Don't bother trying to talk to them.
>>741939569Please do not do this, nigger.
>>741939516ch 4 maybe got people to think the wheels already were spinning off due to the titan when in reality the cracked lens phase still was the case in ch 5
>>741939334male powerscaling autism + female estrogen = 4chan shipping
>>741939516They didn't play the game. They just watch theory videos
>>741939156I mean, it's a scene where you naturally would have a reaction to. Characters suffering physical pain/going through traumatic moments
so>at the beginning of deltarune someone (gaster?) is prompting us to make a vessel to put the soul in so it can do something in the world of deltarune>it gets hijacked by a second voice (ERAM? weird route noelle?) who shoves us into kris instead>gaster(?) is sending his followers like the bird to try and influence kris by doing things like killing onionsan at the lake and giving him cryptic messages>kris may or may not have willingly become the vessel for the soul
>Shows up>Pisses off the character that has always been too much of a pussy to fight back verbally>Is so charismatic that said character now becomes utterly consumed by jealousy>Extremely determined to achieve his goal, despite that, never resorts to fatal violence>Completely goes against all expectations and becomes the chapter's boss>Proceeds to mog the secret boss, who's usually the peak of the chapter, by having an astronomically better design, better song, better narrative themes, better gimmicks and a better soul mode (also being the only normal boss that ever uses one)>Casually references and parallels what was, at any given moment, the strongest entity in Undertale, except that his power stemmed from his deep friendship with the other 6 flowers rather than possessive control>Chases the game's main antagonist when he sneakily shows up at the very end>Uses one of his friends to start a battle against him and preventing him from escaping>Spares his friend immediately>Casually clashes with said villain, maintaining a calm and confident face throughout the whole thing>Fucking diesDespite all the disappointments, he still took the burden to carry the whole chapter on his back.
>>741930239deltatroooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
>>741939652nta and I get why people dislike chapter 5 but I dunno, I like the more lighthearted stuff. I loved Undertale and thought it nailed the mix between casual fun and more serious elements and with Deltarune chapter 2 is still my favorite which to me feels like the closest to chapter 5 in tone.I think having the last four chapters of Deltarune all be super serious in tone would get old fast. This chapter probably would have been better received if it was released along 3 and 4.
>finish main routeAwesome chapter>check weird route stuff on YouTubeThere’s not enough nope in the fucking world
>>741939516Don't forget we get some fairly solid confirmations that>The lightworld is fake/some form of simulation>Sans is a janny for the matrix>The light world is so fake that it will insert kris and noelle back into PROPHESIEDKEKLAKESCENE.gml in spite of both them nearly killing themselves moments beforeThere's so much interesting shit in this chapter and you have whiny faggots seething that their self insert ship didn't come to fruition, what are you, 16?
>Boss that is actually just someone's pet cat/dog/goldfishsurprised nothing like this has really occurred yet
>>741935567You mean pussy. It's okay, Anon. Nobody is judging you from being a faggot.
>>741939516The problem is that all of this and it answers absolutely nothing about questions regarding the main plot. It's just build up. Like it was in previous chapters already.
>thank you for watching my dream
>>741939925>it answers absolutely nothing about questions regarding the main plotHow is "direct confirmation of the influence permeating the entire world" and "the increasingly worsening mental state of the main characters progresses further" not progressing the main plot?
>>741939892>"There's so much interesting shit in this chapter">Only mentions the content in the 20 minutes of weird routeAlmost like the normal route and the rest of the chapter sucked dick, minus for a few things.
>>741939867>I think having the last four chapters of Deltarune all be super serious in tone would get old fastYou fucking idiot, this is what is called narrative momentum. The game set up the main antagonist at the end of chapter 3 and kept escalating the stakes in chapter 4 between the Prophecy, the common appearances of the Knight and even getting to fight a Titan, only to slow everything down again? That's just shit pacing. You're a fucking idiot. Don't write, you'd be terrible at it.
>>741939925well yeah. the game isn't fucking over yet
>>741935567Her and Aqua need art of them being bred by (Me) immediately.
>>741939897the flowers were that you dumbfuck
>>741939809He was nice, but his main and fighting themes were pretty lame. The fight was ridiculously hard unless you had a special layout or ton of health items too so much that they had to nerf it
>>741939979holy latinx melty
>>741939979Chill the fuck out, jesus
>>741939979Chapter 7 isn't the end of the game, retard. Anyone who thinks it is at this point is fucking stupid. Chapter 7 is the end of "DELTA RUNE" and you're going to keep playing to find a way to avoid that end, which is where it's going to get weird.
>>741939995>Flower Man is lamei wish i could genocide route this whole fucking board
>>741939975It's stuff we already knew, anon. It's not news.
>>741940080It's stuff lore trannies knew but casuals didn't. Chapter 5 is meant to bring the latter up to speed before 6 and 7
>Inferno of Jealousy was referring to Ralsei, not asgorewoa..
the checker dance freedom motif version is unironically good and one of the best songs on the OST
>>741937373fair point but this theoretical save file wouldave only reached the point of getting the thorn ring before stopping, as fighting berdly is the point of no return regarding keeping the ring in your inventory, so the route would be aborted before any true "weird route shenanigans" could be locked in, so she might just view the whole thing as a bad dream just as she assumed in the weird route hospital scene, but that invites questions about the shit will go down in bringing noelle to castle town in chapter 6, which already doesnt seem like its going to go well based on noelles current situation with rudy, though she doesnt have cold turkey trauma in this save file so maybe there wont be enough of a meaningful difference, but i still think just equipping it is on the table since she'd be "new to it all" again and not aggressively against kris or viewing it as a prank like she might with the context of aborting at a point like the equip scene
Getting to Pink kinda sucks desu. Pink sucks. Jevil's encounter is pretty simple - go find 3 key pieces, get them repaired by the hammer guy, go fight Jevil.Spamton's encounter is similar, but the teacup mechanic from previous parts of the chapter is preventing you from simply returning from the mansion basement to deliver the disk. It's a good obstacle to put in the way to judge the player's skill up to this point.The Mantle requires the player to be good enough at the NES boards to complete all of them with a high score, and see the scene where Tenna has to stop Kris' exploration before they start to find unused assets from the MANTLE game. As a reward, the player is given a hefty amount of insight on the weird route via the ensuing SWORD boards AND is pushed to follow through with at least one of the chapter's actual threats.Gerson requires the player to find parts of a piano recital, then play parts of that recital on a piano found elsewhere, just like the big piano that Kris plays at the top of the first sanctuary. It's not as convoluted as the Mantle shenanigans, since it's a little more involved in the story and Susie's character development, but it's fun nonetheless.And then Pink ruins the entire pattern. The P$ aren't exclusively available from platforming challenges, even if the majority of them require some involvement with the 2D space to be cut down. There's no hideously difficult 2D section where Kris has to run along a huge stretch with a bunch of incredibly tightly-timed jumps, or a little section with a unique miniboss that actually puts up a fight in 2D mode. The single notable pink coin room I can think of involved Shinobeetles tossing shurikens from the background into the foreground, which was really easy and only gets you a single P$. What the fuck happened with this chapter? Did Toby just let his team handle it?
>>741939892It’s interesting to me that Sans (Forma de UT) said he’s only seen it snow badly once, like Deltarune exists in some odd limbo between being a simulation and being real
>>741939516>red herringSorry anon, I can't trust like that any more.
>>741930239>hopes and dreamsThat the shit with Susie is just prophecy shit fucking with her head and she goes back to being bros with Kris>despair and nightmaresThat it’s not the prophecy and Toby is having an Andrew Hussie moment at the end.
>>741940079>no vocal in fight, you can't even read lyrics due to how hard and annoying the fight isTenna was already meh but he had a crazy ass sprite, cool af animation and crazy good themes. This one has a generic theme, generic voice clips. Everyone just wanted to see the fucking flower, aqua yellow seth everyone BUT flowery. Its just that his interaction with ralsei are funny BECAUSE ralsei became a hater thats it
I think Noelle needed at least other carnage in a dark world, it feelt very rushed her transformation in a full psycho for a just a thing that she barely remembers as a dream
This schizo game is fascinating when you've only played chapter 1, but when the rest of it is out how the fuck are you actually SUPPOSED to play it? Like undertale technically had 30 different endings, but it was easy just to do neutral pacifist and genocide, are you supposed to be running all the routes at the dame time in deltarune? Toby sure is giving you enough time to do it between chapter releases.
>>741940268holy esl
>>741940172>Getting to Pink kinda sucks desu. getting to pink was really easy because i'm not dogshit at platformers and the pink coins were about as hard as finding secret coins in a mario level. i had already bought the key before i even got to the door, which i found by accident
>>741940247Fire ralsei is instrumental to the prophecy
>>741940274undertale just had flavor text variation based on kill/spare, this is like saying bioshock 2 had a lot of endings due to being able to kill or spare the named NPCs in the different areas and that influencing the ending of that game.
>>741939494the holding left is likely going to be for something else later on
>>741939516It feels like a lot of people "discussing" the game just saw either the gay shit in a toby fox game of all places? who could have ever guessed? or that the ship they were hoping for didn't set sail and just stopped paying attention to or playing the game altogether before hopping on the internet to shit out half-formed opinions. The amount of people I've seen saying>no the characters are acting different because the writing is shit and there's NO other reason NONE AT ALL AND IF YOU THINK SO YOU MUST BE AN ENEMY SHIPPERhas made me think that they must have not seen the ending or are just being willfully ignorant about what the story is implying for some reason. I hate to use the term "media literacy" but you're probably lacking it if you were paying attention at the end and thought the game wasn't trying to highlight how fucking delusional susie is becoming to maybe get you to re-contextualize her actions through the day.Aside from that, while I liked it overall I wasn't too fond of how the movement of the overall plot could basically be summed up as>confirmation of things that were already strongly hinted at and suspected and nothing more>setup for next chapter
>>741940041No.
I still can't get over how YIIK was ahead of its time. I will have to apologize.
>>741940129>>741940405I think chapter 5 is meant to make sure all players are on the same page before chapter 6.A lot of the stuff that was outright stated in 5 was only hinted at in 4 or only known through ARG stuff which not everyone would be aware of.
>>741940490dont cut yourself bpd tranny
nothing is stronger than...a...flower's...DREAM
>>741939995>special layoutI keep seeing you retards say this. The fuck are you talking about? I used a standard controller and beat him second try pre-nerf. And I'm not even good at this game. He was hard, but people are seriously overstating it
i want berdly to force himself into the next chapter after susie invites noelle
>>741940573A BPD tranny would basedgasm over the confirmed yuri and lap it up. Anyone with some sense would think chapter 5 was the worst chapter yet.
>>741940049>Chapter 7 isn't the end of the gameDon't tell me you're one of those dumbasses that think "Chapter 7 Side B" means a separate release after Chapter 7
>>741940595Omega Flowey kicks the ROARING BUM's ass btwRudyKnight fags might be right because only a DYING, OLD MAN could act like this.
>>741940621>The last boss of the chapter becomes gradually easier after losing an excessive amount of times in one play session.I beat him second try too but post nerf, does pic rel mean that I still beat him at full strength?
I still haven't beat Pink and at this point I don't think I ever will.
>>741940595How do you think Rudy felt seeing Flowery mimicking his friendship with Asgore?
>>741939516>>741939621>>741939690This board is full of performative intellectuals either trying to sound smart by hyping up a disappointing chapter or just coping as a form of denial.>The gang fought a Titan in the previous chapter, while Susie also saw a prophecy panel that shook her and Ralsei greatly, never brought up in the chapter>The festival that had been hyped up for 7 years turned out to be a completely nothingburger and an excuse to shove 30 minutes of badly written yuritard slop>Asgore didn't confirm anything we didn't already know>Secret boss was a complete insult, shitting on all the previous serious onesThe only saving grace is the weird route, and while I'm disappointed that it lasted so little given how much time it took to arrive, I will wait until chapter 7 to say if it was worth it.Suselle is hardly the biggest problem with this chapter, not to mention that most of the non-filler stuff of this chapter are all in the weird route.
>>741940761If you can beat the knight then you can beat Mew holy fuck anon.She's not *that* hard and I say that as someone who kept fucking dying to her bomb attacks.
>>741940723thishe had to hold back to help susie find the code
Noelle is the fucking Knight and the intruder at the end of the vessel creation process in chapter 1
>>741940648> berdly breaks the prophecy as he is neither a girl, a soulcage, nor a dark prince> kris is also obsessed with berdly as he blushes when susie asks why he has one of berdlys feathersI knew I was right to place all my eggs in the berd basket
>>741940789it was fun
>>741940520I refuse to believe toby think his audience is that stupid. That or he is self aware that his writing skills aren't enough to make things clear (I wouldn't be surprised, since he clearly got tired of popular theories that were far away of the game's intent)
>>741940789>Doesn't even realise chapter 6 will still have a weird routeFake fandon't you have a trash general to cry in?Also imagine getting filtered by Mew.
has anyone done an interpretation of the tsundere cactus' true form being a plantner yet
>>741936693Oh, so I'm not the only one that smelled the Deltatraveler particles in the air. The face sprites, Susie's behavior, and *that* webm felt like someone else was at the wheel. I won't deny it looked pretty and had a few standout tracks, but DAMN Chapter 4 had way more Wow factor.
>>741940898>Imagine getting filtered by a character made for troonsAren't you supposed to take your daily estrogen tranny?
>>741940814>If you can beat the knight then you can beat Mew holy fuck anon.When I was replaying the chapters I beat the Knight on my first attempt, but after hours of fighting Pink I have not managed to get close to beating her. It's the fucking purple Soul gimmick, I just can't do it, I'm not good at it, I'm really starting to feel like I have some kind of disability the more I fight her. Seriously if they don't nerf her somehow I think by the time Chapter 6 comes out I'm just gonna use a save editor and give myself the win and shadow crystal.
So! When are we getting Cheaper 6?
>>741940789Someone once mentioned this fandom had more coping than any shonen anime fandom and I am still shocked by the fact it's true
>"Oh cool! Having Asgore in the lightworld with us could a really cool dynamic and someone else who is on the ground floor knowing about the dark world.">Gets kidnapped so status quo is restored>"Lets tell Noelle">tfw start of chapter 6 is having to explain the concept of a dark world to Noelle and introducing her to Castle TownI'm fucking bored of this game.
>>741940405>good old "it's supposed to be shit" excuse because kris feels miserable due to his inability to change anythingif you do believe that, thirdwheeling into nothingburger adventures into more drama into "walking susie home" is the most awful pacing imaginable, even if we pretend this is a singular game untied to what happenned immediately before (and whatever downtime surely happens after)all the relevant plot content constitutes like 30 minutes max, 10 for ralsei's character, 10 for asgore's, 10 for everything else, the longer chapter is simply stretched too thin, both miniboss flowers and platforming stuff wears out real fast as a vehicle for comedythe new superboss is tonally wack, but probably the single biggest development for kris (until the big reveal to susie at least), makes me a bit excited for a JACKPOT sort of conclusion in the perfect ending
>>741940024You will never be Japanese
>>741940986
>>741940789Same, I don't have the energy to reply the games anymore due to all the fucking slop Suselle dialogue now.
>>741940595This confirms that the power of dreams makes you OP in the dark world because that’s a world of fiction in enough itself so creation fuels you. Flowery was based as fuck but he was still only a flower following the game script.The knight is the manifestation of Dess’s broken dreams protected by the prophecy, the only way this ends is with the hope filled twisted sword
>>741936995To be fair there may be hints that Susie's entire personality suddenly being replaced with wanting Noelle's pussy on her face is due to giving in to the dark world's escapism so totally that it's affecting her mind (which may be down to whatever force is behind the prophecy actively rewriting reality to make sure things happen the way it wants them to), so there's a chance that chapter 6 will reveal that it was all part of some 4D master plan on Toby's part.Of course it could also be Toby's yuri goggles being glued to his face again; chapter 6 is the definitive make or break point now.
>>741940297ralsei firegraves berdly in the KFC route
>>741940170>just view the whole thing as a bad dreamUntil she's back in the Dark World and Susie explains everything. Which would have to happen before we could equip it to her. Please try and think shit through
>>741941026I'm in the cope train of that anon suggesting the Noelle from Aborted Weird Route (when you fail to PROCEED) is going to freeze every single Darkner you recruited once she reaches that place.
The chapter is disappointing and shit on purpose because it's meta! I truly understand now, you are a genius toby... I kneel...
>>741936925I want to believe that chapter 5 was intentionally shit because it makes no fucking sense after chapter 4. I know that's probably just cope though.
>>741941145If this is really the case then Susie is lame as fuck now. You cannot convince me Susie would see the final prophecy and not immediately say fuck that bullshit and try to overturn it. She would smash every window in the Holiday house to get that fucking guitar.
>>741941198Honestly this reminds me of the whole "game is unfinished on purpose to make you feel phantom pain!" cope when MGSV released.
i just thought this chapter was kind of boring. i didn't give a shit about the flowers
>>741941054kek thanks for confirming paco
>>741930239>Suselle literally mirrors lovers on the shore unlocking a path to the island in Tennas video gameSo we can assume Suselle is an agent of the Prophecy? Kris is literally NTRed by the prophecy fulfilling itself. Thats why Sans tried to give Krusie bonding time blocking Toriel. He is playing the game hoping to defy it. He most likely knows who the knight is and doing nothing to stop it.
>>741940789Looking forward to any further criticism being dismissed with storygame equivalents of "filtered" and "git gud". Those being "you are just a self-inserter shipfag" and "actually it's totally meant to be a slog" sorts of excuses.
>>741940506Friendly reminder that game came out in 2019
I've let my feelings simmer a bit, >Chapter 2 > Chapter 4 > Chapter 1 > Chapter 3 = Chapter 5Chapter 3 and Chapter 5 aren't bad but nothing fucking happens in them.I think i'm getting tired of Toby's self-referential humor. It was cute at first but shit like 'LMAO THE FOURTH SANCTUARY LMAO TIME SIGS' just illustrates the guy wants to write jokes rather than an actual story.
>>741941026It does baffle me they went with this option of maintaining the status quo, especially when it just makes the overall effect of Ch.5 to be Ch.3 again, except Flowery doesn't have remotely the relevance that Tenna was given, there's no Shadow Mantle equivalent in the chapter and they stretch out the other flowers story to make up for what would've otherwise been a just as short chapter (also the flowers are just same shit as Lanino & Elnina except exaggerated, stretched out and doubled while also lacking Rouxls)
>>741940883>I refuse to believe toby think his audience is that stupidWe've had years to chew on what might take someone maybe a few lazy afternoons to get through once it's all finally done and a finished product in however many years. I think it was necessary to have a breather and catch everyone up to speed while setting up the stakes and whatnot, I just think it's lame that it didn't confirm much more than what the attentive player already knew.
>>741935982You can't do a breather chapter before things go south with entirely new characters lmao was Toby thinking
Remember when Asgore was going to parade the dark fountain creator's body around town and then 20 minutes later he just doesn't give a fuck? Remember when the ROARING KNIGHT appeared and absolutely no-one in the game even acknowledges it?Remember when the first 30 minutes of gameplay is wandering around the festival interacting, exactly the same as normal Hometown, just with a load of poorly written romance mixed in?
>>741941162thats the thing though, i think without the berdly trauma, its just written off by her, even in the moment she just snaps back to normalcy, she thinks about it for a second but writes it off as kris just being kris or whatever, then its not really brought up much again by her if at all (i dont remember in this case)
>>741941236Whatever's going on has the power to immediately stuff awakened Noelle back into her helpless NPC box at the snap of a finger, it's not unreasonable to assume that it can fuck with Susie's head and turn her into the prophecy's strongest soldier.
The Knight is Rudy or Carol or even both.Because it’s a huge plot hole that something capable of dragging Asgore’s fat ass all over town in just one minute can’t make it in time to rescue Toriel from Tenna as part of a carefully timed plan with Kris
>>741941393I wish that Ferris Wheel rolled off its hinges and destroyed several buildings
>>741940789Hit the nail right on the end. Somehow Toby thinks a game with a fuckton of mysteries should only start confirming most of them in the last two chapters in the fucking game. Maybe he wanted to be more like the JRPGs of his youth not realizing nobody liked the obligatory exposition dumps at the end in those, maybe he just wants to milk the theorizing for a bit longer, maybe this really was the plan this entire time and he wants to stick to it even if it's hurting the narrative, but I'm burned out by it. Imagine waiting all this time only to get only a few questions answered that we could already deduce from hints from previous chapters, like that Asgore knows about Dark Worlds. Nobody was surprised by that unless they weren't paying attention. GOOD SHIT TOBY>>741941314A-Actually Susie acting out-of-character is a sign that muh Prophecy is influencing people's behavior and/or she's coping. Trust the plan, just wait for the next chapter!! This is of course ignoring Undertale also had a shitty forced yuri romance and Deltarune is shaping up to have the same writing flaws Undertale had.
>>741940405>>741941198KEK, insane how so many anons are using that as a way to cope for this chapter's abysmal quality.They are so far gone that anyone that doesn't believe in their delusions is media illiterate.>S-Susie suddenly fell for Noelle and claimed to have always loved her because the whole thing is a simulation...
>>741938198I honestly think Toby should have hired some jap studio and made 7 OVA's instead of wasting a literal decade struggling to program flashgame tier under baked gimmicks. The difficulty on your regular play through is so easy the fights might as well not exist, it's pure filler
>>741930239Reminder CattixNoelle will be vindicated when we break the Suselle prophecy mechanics
>>741941447Screw everything about the Gerson fight, I guess
The chapter is fucking amazing and I'm a massive lore fag. I'm just not as married to wanting things to go my way.I'd like to remind all retards that chapter 5 was supposed to realise along with 3 and 4. 3 and 4 are already massively lore heavy. Having a lore light chapter that focuses more on character development makes a lot of sense.>Mad mew mew isn't a funny scrungly crazy guy!You literally got explained to you what the shadow crystals are now. The secret bosses being abandoned objects is fucking chapter 2 theory shit. Mew Mew also reflects Kris's body dysphoria AND that Kris is being controlled by us.Chapter 5 is also easily the best self contained story. The gameplay was genuinely awesome.Dessriel confirmed.And there are still two like 5+ hour chapters left before the game ends.
>>741940268>Otherworldly being hijacks your childhood friend's body and convinces you to commit various acts of violence, culminating in putting your other friend in a coma>The next day they show up at your house, reveal that they can hear your thoughts, and tell you that they intend on continuing to use you as suchYeah, no idea what would make her go crazy
I play deltarune for the fun parts so chapter 5 was the best one All the lore and gaster shit was the gayest part of undertale so i dont expect anything from deltarune's either. I'm not a fnaf kid i dont need super secret hidden clues about nonsense that doesnt matter to the fun gameplay
>Chapter 6Zero fucks given.
>>741941516damn, i would like someone to post this image in any social media to see the comments
>yellow/justice i'm surprised toby didn't put a trigger warning for suicidal trannies
What was up with Kris giving Seth one of Berdly's feathers
>>741941639He's Seth's idol.
>friend inside me is canon>they get topped by a big gay tranny black manwoodykeks BTFO
See you guys in 2030 when toby releases Chapter 7 and I can finally see the part of the game I give a shit aboutIf all I have to look forward to is Toby shitting all over what I like in Deltarune while being force fed Yuri with unskippable cutscenes I might as well just forget about this dogshit game I wish I could do this to Toby Fox
>>741941575playing all 3 together would not stop me from being annoyed about half of chapter 5's cast and how miserable kris became
>>741941634Or you know... for teens playing this game. But whatever, he is Nintendo-approved, he can put as many gay shit and rape allegories as he wants now, noone will call him out.
>>741941701>another seething spicliterally every time
>>741940648This would make the entirety of chapter 5 worth playing.>berdly comes and settles into the Noelle Room
why is aquas ribbon green instead of red when she gives you the scissors?
>>741941668Seth sexo!!!!!!!!
>>741930239brutal susie rapethe rape of susiesusie will be rapedin short, these are my hopes and dreams
>>741941608Why is Noelle big?
>>741941742Hell yeah I'm seething, the closest thing to a representative of my culture gets fucked in the ass by a big blue ballerina and tries to kill himself on multiple instances
>>741940976You are dying to the stupid bombs, yes? Train yourself to not go step by step but to figure out where the clear zones where the bombs do not explode, and aim to go there instead. Your muscles will act before your brain does.
>>741941781She ate all the eggs.
saw someone on reddit compare this chapter to hotlands as a positive somehow because "omg omega flowey right after!!!", if you need further reason not to have faith in peoplehe somehow didn't see the glaring issue that omega flowey was like an hour afterwards and not a whole fucking year
Susie will claim that she has been bullying you since forever because she always had a crush in this girl and people will say that part is influence of the prophecy finally acting up. It makes no sense.
>>741941592There sure are a lot of people here that seem to not understand and get very upset when characters don't react to everything in a completely logical manner. I wonder what could cause that?
>>741941575>Having a lore light chapter that focuses more on character development makes a lot of sense.It actually doesn't. Even if chapter 5 came out with 3 and 4, it would still suck because it conpletely broke the stakes set up by the previous chapter for five hours of dicking around.
>finally get to playing Chapter 5>the lake sceneShould I just put the game down and kill myselfThat's not a rhetorical questionI've basically been telling myself "wait for Deltarune" for eight years whenever I thought about killing myselfI don't even care what happens in the dark world, I gave Toby $25 and he spat in my mouth
>>741941797He shouldve been a samurai with a matchlock anyways
>>741941816all of them?!
>>741941742This cope is getting repetitive. Deltatroon fans truly are the dark souls fans of JRPGs, dismissing any valid criticism with the usual retarded statements>You're a latinx!!>Didn't pay attention to what is actually my personal headcanon!>Git gud! W-what? You just don't like the design or themes? G-get better anyway!
>>741941710>He wasn't a Kris knighter in chapter 2>He didn't pick up on Kris's brutal depression >He thought Kris would be going through this game happilySucks to have double digit IQ
>>741941826>muh stakes>muh pacingYou will never be a writer anon
>>741941830>>the lake sceneNow take a look at the Side B version of that scene
>>741941830>Me not falling for the fomo I only actually playing Ch 1+2 and never got on track for later chapterstoo lazy
>we are the 6 little flower niggas
>Hitting flowery eliminates the fight commands for Ralsei and Susie AND has Susie use all your tp to heal FloweryRetard niggers this is LIFE OR DEATH and these assholes have been trying to kill us all this time, LET ME FIGHT
>>741940986At current pace, next June. If you believe in God, and pray devoutly in your church, maybe this Christmas.
>>741941830a tumblresque game made you want to kill yourself?what happened in your life before this?
He warned you about what was happening.He offered you his help.He was the one who saw through the lies.He is the one who wants to give you wings.He is your way out.All you have to do is accept his [DEAL].Say sorry to your good old friend Spamton.
The end screen of the weird route in ch5 is like some pure Uchikoshi kino. Like the Ryuki-diverge route but extended like it should have been. We're going to reach unprecedented levels of ludo my friends.
>>741941816At least a half dozen
>Hype chapter 5 with only the shop music saying anything else would be spoiler>Hype it again with dialogues, saying thr same shit>Say trailer was hard to not spoil too muchSo this was about the tumblr flowers right?
>>741941639Kris went out at the end of chapter 4 and spoke with the flowers ahead of time to tell them he was making a dark world. This is why Flowery baits Ralsei into saying the fountain's creator is a bad person, and why Ralsei in the hot springs stutters and tells you he doesn't want any more fountains creating. Why on earth Kris went round to Flower King last night and explained this to the flowers is left completely unsaid, it'll be wrapped up in another chapter as "ahh, Kris is a hecking double agent." Anyway the purple nerd flower wanted a symbol of his idol Berdley, again - your guess is as good as mine as to how he knows Berdley exists
>>741941892You will never be a chef, doesn't mean you don't care about the food you eat.
How are we gonna cope if Toby never ends up revealing what happened to Dess?
>>741941885yes :(i thought kris was spiteful and lazy, not depressed
>Carol tells Noelle that Rudy fell at the festival so that she could make her rush home>when Kris hears it they realize it was just an excuse and take it as a signal that they need to prevent both Susie and (You) to check on Noelle after she left>immediately makes a Dark Fountain behind the flower shop as soon as they realize Asgore is there as both a diversion and also because the Knight needs to kidnap people for whatever reason and Kris doesn't mind too much since they hold a grudge against him>one of the reasons why Kris is sad at the end of the chapter after Susie asks them to go bring Noelle is because they know that Carol did something to her
>>741941931Flowery doesn’t kill you if you lose
>>741941980either that or he thought his collab with hit singer hatsune miku was THAT cool
>>741941830the dark world is no better, it's yet another tonal whiplash, everyone acts out of character and the flowers are ripped straight off of tumblr.
>>741941810>You are dying to the stupid bombs, yes?I'm dying to basically everything besides the attack where she sings and you control the soul normally, but yes the bombs are the worst, I really do not know how to deal with them.
>>741941687well he certainly has a friend inside him :^)
>>741940648>Berdly realises that the dream where he got over being a pompous ass and was finally honest with himself and his new friends actually happened>he's stumbled back into the dark world stuff just as the wheels are starting to come off>manages to psyche himself up and get back into ride or die nigga True Gamer mode and lifts Kris up when he's at his lowest pointI would unironically be hyped for that, Berdly is an underrated character.
So the Deltarune is the ability to break a rigged game right? Like this game has its prophecy that's inescapable and you'll somehow find a way of literally doing something beyond what the game is supposed to be able to do to win. Which could mean that deltarune world could exists inside undertale as they're trying to use it to find a way to fix their own "game".
I get the feeling that this chapter is to set up the emotional trainwreck the crew is barreling towards as they keep trying to cope off the dire stakes on the horizon. And yet saying this feels like cope for an incoming bed shitting. I'm placing my faith in the Weird Route, I need to see how it ends. I need to see it.
>>741942048All the others do, besides this idiot believes he can defeat the Knight and is stalling me from closing the fountain and preventing Asgore from getting kidnapped.
Blue faggot feels like even more lime a fangame character and that's a bad thing
>>741942092you have to mentally draw two lines through each bomb, one vertically and one horizontally and avoid stepping on that line
>>741942147I unironically found Berdly x Susie more compelling than Suselle because of his character development in chapter 2
>>741941920Funny, I don't remember pretty much anything about any of these characters other than the second from the right I think was especially bitchy and the right-most was I think related to both the kid from the first game who made things explode by accident and the old guy who had the cooking show mindscape.
>>741941970>the whole thing takes way too fucking long>if you really liked any one chapter the most you won't enjoy the whole ride because they are all so over the placewow epicgod forbid you cared to see if there is any meaningful iteration on the mechanics in this metanarrative game (there is: now you can mass-spare generic enemies after thwacking them once or twice)
>>741941995Berdly comes to the shop and recites Gamer Facts he learned that day at them.
>>74193023920 minutes of soul raping Noelle along with the entire town while Kris watches unable to stop it
>>741941668the porn of seth and aqua are gonna be absolute kino smelly neet girl bros won, cunnybros won. I've already seen a pic of aqua fingerbanging seth and there will only be more to come once all the porn artist finish the chapter or see the hot new twitter thing of the month to draw.
>>741940752I think so. Sounds like it doesn't do anything until you've died at least a few times
>>741941970i don't think sowhat if it's only the roaring and one unwinnable bossfighta "fuck you" to weird route players?
>>741942164>And yet saying this feels like cope for an incoming bed shittingNah that's basic reading comprehensionSusie is regressing and drowing herself in dark worlds to escape her problemsIntroducing Noelle into that is just gonna have Noelle use the dark worlds for HER problems, with the big one being her dying old man
>>741941945I live alone without friends or family, living under the poverty line and only marginally above paycheck-to-paycheck, flunked out of college with the debt that comes with that, I don't own a car and have to walk to work whether it's 100 degrees or minus 10, and my recreational time for the last thirteen-or-so years has been spent playing video games and posting on 4chan. I am a failure at life, there is nothing for me in the future and things won't get better, but I really liked Undertale and Deltarune so I've put up with it and made a lot of not-really-friends here. It's not that this makes me want to kill myself as much as it was the cope that stopped me from killing myself over all the other, more unfixable problems in my life. Thank you for listening to my blog
>>741942212Can we get a MEGA of all the Aqua porn like we have for Muffet
>>741941826It's actually fantastic pacing if you take the whole game in context mr retard>1 & 2: Establish setting and story >3 & 4: Setup primary conflict and stakes>5: Character development in lower stakes scenario to them up for the ending >6: Reveal the answers to the biggest mysteries and the biggest twists>7: Resolve the story
>>741942176My brain is genuinely too slow to do that, I was already trying that for some time since it makes sense but the problem is that they're so fast that I cannot find a safe spot fast enough.
Are we gonna get a chapter in which you'll be able to switch between the light world and the dark world freely, and progressing would require doing tasks in both worlds
>>741939516The problem is that these are all hints for a plot that is still largely hidden from us.Which would be fine if the hidden plot didn't undermine the main plot, but it does.We've known since chapter 1 that Kris and Ralsei are shady. It was already getting a bit much in chapter 3, but by the end of chapter 4 especially, so much stuff is revealed that it's ridiculous to go back to monster of the week and vague hints as two out of three main characters revert to pretending nothing is happening for the sake of 'one last fun adventure'.
>>741941995It felt like the dark fountain was a spur of the moment distraction because Susie, for whatever reason, should be kept away from Rudy's death. Kris negotiated with the flowers so quickly because time works strangely in dark worlds. Having a Berdly feather prepared was probably just a gag.
>>741936995>mysteriously magically be around to give Toblerone one last chanceI bought the game already, what am I supposed to do?Not play it?I know this is /v/ and all but come on.
>>741940648Berdly is unironically a better pick than Noelle>Fall into a dark world>Get like 200 HP right away, perfect control of his weapon and make the fun gang kneels by himself>And he was holding back as seen as he hurt more in weird routeToby is a hack
>>741942261Okay faggot, so why didn't Toby release the whole game if the story is supposed to be consumed like that?
>>741942245after doing the whole 'insert chapter 7 side B' thing, if it just contained a fuck you toby would be fully discrediting himself as a writer
What killed the hype?
IF RALSEI DOESN'T UNLOCK FIRESHOCK BY CHAPTER 7 I'M GOING TO NUKE JAPAN
>>741942261There was no character development in 5 thoughever, at most it retread shit from other chapters
>>741942164Zero chance the ending wont be a TADC type fiasco. Probably even bigger though. When creators drop this many vague hints in episodic media it almost always leads to massive disappointment when every single plot point isn't resolved exactly as people want it. And when you leave things unanswered people always interpret more into them than there might end up actually being. Toby even pokes fun at it by having that guy in Tenna's room mock color theories.
Just finished the chapter, man that Noelle shipping shit took over really fast. I used to be able to ignore it.Also no year for Chapter 6 has me very worried
>>741939516None of it as explicit as you say it is, I didn't get any of that while playing the game
>>741941781She’s only big for you
>>741942021I think he's sad because Susie is delusional enough to sleep at the school's storage room with all her toys instead of at home.What the game does not show us is how much Susie stinks now.
>>741930239I hope it doesn't pull some creepy pasta tier horror shit or even something similar as omori regarding horror. Not gonna lie, I would just hate it, deltarune is countless times more over the top, cutesy and cartoony than undertale is, it would feel a lot like cheap shock value, just how I think some noelle expressions in weird route are already exaggerated.
Bros I just listened to the entire soundtrack and there isn't even a single banger, this is fucking depressing. Some of the ambient tracks are not bad and I liked the catfession song in particular, but the only two tracks that go anywhere are Flowery's and Mew Mew's themes and they are meh at best.Jevil's theme, Spamton's theme, Queen's mansion theme, the guitar scene track from C3, Black Knife were all incredible, how is it possible for the quality in music to drop so steeply along with the writing and plot progression?
>>741942261I'd say there was character regression, not development.
Is deltarune porn W or L faps?
>>741942148UT experiments were determinations experiments, something so strong that it would break the barrier which the players had enough.Seems Gaster was so impressed by the ability to break the barrier he has recruited us to solve the Deltarune experiment which is a rigged game with a doomed ending. Not really sure if UT and DR Gaster are the same guy though but either way he clearly noticed
>asgore gets kidnapped>undyne gets kidnapped>Toriel’s spared once due to undyne>gets spared again by sans distracting her from choir practice So chapter 6 will be trying to snag toriel again right?
>you are good they end up cucking you and homosexual characters want to fuck youlike in real life, also this reminded me of dragon age 2
>>741942253anon...
>>741930239What does this mean? She's linked to Gaster and the Undertale world? She fucking killed Onion San on orders from him and turned him into takoyaki for investigating the lake?
>>741942212post link
>No bitches>No motifs
>>741942253no one cares tranny
>>741942419Nah, it's Alphys' turn
>>741942332it was taking too long
>>741942261Setup primary conflicts and stakes halfway. LolYou are supposed to estabilish things in chapter one only already.
>>741942198that's exactly their problem lmaonormal proportions, even a few normal skin colors, totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, but somehow the games expects you to care for them they even get a way bigger teamup moment than the fucking aquato family jesus fucking christ
>chapter 1+2Gaster is a mysterious entity>chapter 3+4Gaster is our biggest fan>chapter 5Gaster is a fucking mob boss, who orders his enemies to be murdered and processed into foodWhat's next for our green man?
>>741941536Did Bratty always have hands as big as Susie'sIs it a scaly thing
>>741942245Toby fox may make fun of people reading too much into stuff (MIKE, freedom motif, etc) but the weird route is arguably the part that is the most worked in the game by far. It's going to be pretty significant and more than just "1 fight" in chapter 7.
>>741942401He's burned out, there's over a dozen other people involved in making the game, and he hates his fans and spites them at almost every turn.
>>741941937https://youtu.be/hh7gg4jpdwY?si=DWOKNrvXxyDzA8Ng
>>741942346He won't, but Susie will absorb him and gain his full fire powers.
I found 2 of those fullbody arts of flowery, do they have any actual use? or is it just le funny artwork collection
>The final schizoboss is a nothingburger
The Mew Mew boss has to have been rushed. It would have been an amazing segway for the party to actually start to question if Kris is really Kris. He could have at least reacted to it. For something so on the nose thematically its weird how no one reacts.
>>741942501Don't care. If you have to write in yearly installments, each chapter should be worth my time. I don't need a breather from the story, I just fucking had one.
>>741942253Choose to live to spite the world. If you have nothing to do in between the hours spent wageslaving then try to make your own better vidya or something else you enjoy doing. Its better to die chasing a dream than to live a life of mediocrity
>>741942253Im in a similar situation yet less miserable due to being absurdist ontology freakdebt is a joke if you want me to have money to give you gotta employ me you dum dums"Noooo your made up number too low" okay retard how about have common sense and actually deal with the human in front of youthis civilization is a joke
i've heard from different sources that chapter 7 will ship with a chapter 8&9. this is why chapter 5 came out relatively quickly. tobias has been working on chapter the unanounced chapters in tandem with the chronological ones. if those chapters didnt exist, the game would be completed by now.
>>741942546People say this is Noelle but it could easily be the knight as well
>>741942576youre seething all over this thread lol
>>741942401When you stick in all the character interaction into an optional cafe, I think you just show that you lost interest.
>>741942613True. But I'm also completely correct.
Sex with schizo Noelle, describe it
Okay but will Ralsei be someone you can troll into setting the world on fire or no
>>741942601Chapter 7-B (weird) / 7-C (twisted sword) are basically confirmed, 7 is going to be massive
>>741942613He's not the only one
>>741942601sorry guys i esl'd the fuck out of this post but you get the gist of it.
>>741941258es un placer ayudar
>>741942642I don't think he'll be trolled. But instead filled with so hope that it can be used for good he'll trust you to use it. Kind of like an inverse weird but instead of being an ass you just keep giving him hope
I'm scared all the game is going to be theoryslop and not actually answer anything >Oh it's IMPLIED sans is acting on his own and saved Toriel>Oh it's implied Gaster is invilved with his goners watching you but but shhhhAt best we're getting an answer to the dess stuff but everything else will keep being a mystery because Toby doesn't have the balls after years of hinting shit to give a satusfying answer
>>741940986Early 2027 isn't that unreasonable since toby has posted how development is going remarkably fastProbably doesn't have gimmicks or many of them since its a plot chapter
>>741942569The schizo arc is over, now begins the dementia arc
>>741942261Yer a retard buddy, C3 was already a lower stakes setup segment, with Chapter 4 full of character development for both Susie and Ralsei - C4 managed all that WHILE setting up stakes and bracing you for what's going to go down.C5 is just meandering whimsical filler, it's a literal "absence of the payoff" for Chapter 3&4's setup
>>741942669wowwhat a negative man
>>741942573i was actually expecting him to look at the viewer and give the finger post fight when ralsei, susie and pink left. instead i got...nothing. I don't get why they made an entire Kris allegory 5 chapters in and did nothing with it
>>741942656i hope for quantity's sake it will be chapter 8 and 9, not chapter 7 + different routes.
>>741942261>>6: Reveal the answers to the biggest mysteries and the biggest twistsUnless chapter 7 releases together with 6, there's no way
>>741942569Still the most fun and balanced schizo boss btw
>>741941608to the anon that uploaded this, can you tell me when you saved this image?
>>741942440G isn't even the currency in Hometown
>>741935982Search the previous threads on the archive, you're absolutely not the only one.
>>741942148Yes, breaking a rigged game, as you say. Or, going beyond your physical limitations. Something similar to negating your body's biology and defining your social existence as your own, beyond social norms. The ultimate tranny plot.
Gaster is not appearing period. He will continue being the "mysterious narrator"Eram is not appearing ever (maybe a short cameo)Device Friend is about the reveal that actually Deltarune is a video game and nothing mattersDess will have 10 seconds of screen time before having le epic death sceneAsriel will appear for 2 seconds after the game effectively endsScreencap this
>>741942702Isn't that already like 1000% confirmed? Toby is surely well aware that vague theory slop is what the real autist fans want
>>741942576for better or for worse Deltarune is being written as if its one game. Also, the yearly installment thing is something new, we used to get new chapters every 3 years kek
>>741942656deltarune 64 type chapter structure
>>741942601i am honestly surprised anyone still does fake leaks for attentiononly marginally less than the fact some people still believe themor is that an advanced form of cope? that toby's chronic cant-work-itis is actually 5d chess move?
Should I continue my aborted weird route?
>>741940761I kinda fumbled through it, my strat was to just spam Ralsei's "good boy" move or whatever it was called to get max TP so I can use the highest flirt
>>741942641Pelvis-shattering reverse mating press.She'll rim you as an apology later.
>>741942702Deltarune has always been Trolling & Red herrings all over the place: The VideogameIt was obvious by Chapter 2, even more so by Chapter 3, by Chapter 4 it was literally in your face, and if you still cannot see it now after Chapter 5 you simply did not read the License agreement of SURVEY_PROGRAM
>>741942702Some mysteries are fine, you don’t need to know why the goner cabal killed onion and whether Gaster ordered, leaving stuff like that vague adds texture and keeps things exciting.As long as narratively all the main beats are hit and it’s satisfying, that’s all I care about
>>741942795they got too much money to not lock in at this point
>>741941892I literally am a writer. I've written for indie games for money. Chapter 5 is shit.
>>741942824Not really, I did and it's the same boring shit, only a single real new scene.Don't bother
>>741942405>Development means the characters have to change in the way I like!Retard>>741942349>Susie confronts her own past as a bully>Ralsei is visibly losing his cool and is revealed to be powerful >Ralsei and Susie openly disobeying Kris's orders>Revealed that Ralsei knows Kris is making fountains>Susie Noelle love story fully going now, will obviously be important later>Asgore learns that stalking his wife is badHad your eyes closed the entire time retard?>>741942332Wtf? Why didn't Tolkien release all the lord of the rings books at once??? Why didn't Frank Herbert release dune all at once? What is money and finances and the human desire to have people see what you've been working on?Retard.
>NOTHING CHANGED>THE WORLD LITERALLY SNAPS BACK INTO PLACE DESPITE THE FACT YOU JUST TRIED TO DROWN EACHOTHER WITH NOELLE REPEATEDLY SAYING"NOTHING CHANGED.">As she goes through the motions of her life, once again an observer as she's forced to act like a "Noelle" who does "Noelle things".Why is nobody talking about this?! Is it because it invalidates Suselle or something? The game literally shows reality quite literally warping to make sure things play out in a certain way.Noelle literally spells it out for the player in her speech, she can't control herself. She's just on autopilot, literally.
>>741942354actually the reason there's no year because there's a chance it can drop this year.Toby said CH6 progress is going really fast that they're moving on to chapter 7 by the end of the year since its smaller (no weird route after all)So maybe we can have a christmas drop if we're lucky
>>741942641Amazon press
>>741942774lrn2 archivehttps://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/image/A2QBQBu03dXBsyWlkXphrw/
>>741942868That Noelle is the one who said that "no one can choose who they are in this world" in chapter one
>>741942783Gaster will show up in weird as the voice after you ruin things so bad it breaks the game. He doesn’t need a boss or anything like that but all the devil imagery associated with him will probably pay off to some degree even if Dess is the main antagonist
>>741942867>Why didn't Tolkien release all the lord of the rings books at once???Because they're books, not chapters. Retarded comparison.
>>741936995Every time a new chapter comes out, /v/ starts crying that it's shit and Toby is a hack. Then by the time the hype cycle for the next one starts, suddenly everyone's changed their minds and it's NEXT chapter that's make or break.
>>741942873Yeah but it sounds like ch 7 is like a whole alt. chapter worth of weird routeProbably even a whole different set of enemies and story and bosses even for all we know.
>>741942824No. If aborted leads ANYWHERE, it's only going to be the ones "aborted" from chapter 5
>>741942934Video games take way fucking longer to make than books
>>741942253Deltarune ain't gonna save you my man
>>741942963Yes that's the one I'm talking about. One my first try I didn't proceed fast enough and they drowned.
>>741942772i replayed the game lately and i forgot how good his battle is. he handed my ass to me but it was fun and satisfying to gradually become better at fighting him
>>741942867No, characters have to change in a way that makes sense.If a character's entire family was confirmed to die in the very near future, you can't have him dick around like nothing's happening, and have him be cheerful and excited with things.That's basically what Toby did with the fun gang in Chapter 5
The air crackles with subverted expectations
>>741942975Okay? So use that time to make each chapter worthwhile.
>>741941452The Knight being more than one person would be a pretty cool twist.
Sexo
>>741942702I gave up on UTDR because the most interesting thing it has to offer is just mystery bait.
>>741942868Noelle becoming Chara-pilled and obsessing with power to the point where she takes the wheels was not on my bingo board.
>jevil>roryNew characters>spamton neo>gerson>mewmewUndertale references
What important things can you miss at the beginning of chapter 5?
>>741942702The fact that nothing was answered in ch5 means it's 100% happening, vagueposting till the end. He's just going to throw shit at a wall and let you connect the shit dots however you like, it will be your burden to headcanon all the rules and mysteries onto a coherent manner. His IMAGINE bullshit on the 10th anniversary confirms this
>>741939925we JUST past the halfway point last chapter. why would we be getting these endgame reveals now?
>>741942783Dess won't appear either, she's code being like Gaster and co. There will never be any reveal concerning her location and the hand easter egg at the end of ch 4 is the most we're gonna get of her if it even was her.
>>741942868I've talked about it before, the world is a simulation or some shit literally forcing the prophecy to happenThe lightworld is fake, or just as fake as the dark world.If the world can literally reset time and space to place Kris/Noelle back onto the proper lake scene then that has crazy implications as to what is going on the backgroundThere is no outside world, at least in the sense of how the people in lightworld perceive itAsriel is never coming back because he went off set and saw the world beyond the curtains. Perhaps in the same way Onion did.
>>741942934>Because they're books, not chaptersFellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, and Return of the King tell one over arching story. In what meaningful way would these 3 books not be the same story if they were released as one big book with 3 times as many chapters instead?
Does anyone besides Kris know about the soul, what the fuck are we even, Kris is a like a fucking doll we invade but he also has a character of his own, broo Toby answer this shit I NEED TO KNOW
gaster just slenderman but gay
>>741942401He started taking HRT and that has affected his ability to write and compose bangers.
>>741942442enjoy https://files.catbox.moe/6yltyh.jpghttps://x.com/New_DarkStar/status/2070203282618798446
>>741942896thanks anon
>>741943158thank you, bossman
>>741943094You can't center a chapter around Asgore overcoming his trauma and not give us even a small look at what made him this way, it just undermines the entire thing, if you're supposed to feel anything towards his pain and the cross he's carrying, you need to know WHY he's carrying it.
>>741943028Chapter 5 has the best bosses and gameplay yet and also easily the best self contained story.>>741943021Susie is literally following the plan she thinks will help her find the bunker code you retard. Do people need to be doom and gloom 24/7 when they believe something bad might happen?
>>741942927>but all the devil imageryWhat devil imagery?
>>741943101I still think the knight is a remnant of Dess that has been corrupted by broken dreams but her soul itself is gone, they all think the knight is Dess but its something far worse wearing her skin
>>741942867>Why didn't Tolkien release all the lord of the rings books at once???Actually if i remember my Tolkien Trivia he DID intend for the three "books" to be released as one, it was his publisher that went all "FUCK NO, THAT'S TOO LONG PEOPLE GONNA BE TOO INTIMIDATED TO BUY!" Or it was two of the three that was intended to be one, point is, probably a bad example.
What if Noelle is actually the corrupting factor and not us? What if the weird route is us taking Susie's place?
>>741942401that's not good when music is the thing that gave UTDR the online cultural power over people it gained. Hundreds of millions in free advertising over the past decade from youtubers using UTDR music in their videos.
>>741940986Hopefully no later than next year, it'll have been almost a fucking decade.
>>741943220But anonHow will she do a klaus if there isnt a part of her still there
>>741942529The Mike stuff is fine, but the Freedom Motif being used for a silly plot-irrelevant fight makes it feel like he's deathly allergic to having people point out patterns and wants to shake up things just for the sake of it, not because it'll improve things.
>>741943209>Chapter 5 has the best bosses and gameplay yet and also easily the best self contained story.BASEDNOBODY OUTSPEEDS A FLOWERI feel so bad these niggas deserved to exist fuck you Ralsei
>>741942401I'm pretty sure most of the music in chapter 5 is supposed to be rehashes of previous songs because it's about nostalgia and trying to cling onto the past. Unfortunately as a result, it's less memorable.
>>741943301They'd be dead in a day, man. They weren't Darkners.
I kind of agree that the OST wasn't as good, but I really did like Flower Castle's theme
>>741943229>probably a bad example.Perfect example. It was intended to be one release. One story. But it wasn't released all at once. This didn't detract from anyone's ability to experience the story.
>2027>chapter 6 comes out>suselle continues>toby includes a line making fun of prophecy theory>mass suicide on /v/, /vg/, and /trash/
>>741942771the hope (cope) is that the goal is to break the prophecy so that the characters being obviously flanderized and corrupted can go back to normal.take the festival for example. every suselle option as far as i've seen leads to an "awkward" result while noelle choices play into their heartfelt childhood friendship and susie choices play into how both of them are gremlins.but once you get to the beach all of these emotions are dropped instantly, and the two of them suddenly obsess over each other's heartbeats (heartbeat SFX plays during the final prophecy scene) while church bells ring (the ring of heaven's call) and at this point susie is permanently changed as a character to fit in line with the prophecy perfectly.
>>741939494I actually didn't find the egg. I assume it was at the wheat section with starwalker and I just didn't went in and out enough.
>>741943209They don't believe it, they KNOW it will happen, they've seen the prophecy and how unmalleable it really is, not to mention someone they know was kidnapped.Susie should've acted like she did in Chapter 3 when Tenna was insisting they play his game show, maybe even more serious with some moments to brighten the mood as needed.It makes no sense the way she acts.
we gotta get papyrus backthis love triangle shit is gay we have to get kris on a date with the skeleton
>>741943301naoya-flowery is weirdly reoccuring
That one scene of our trio pushing through the Knight's attacks feels so bitter now
>>741943107>If the world can literally reset time and space to place Kris/Noelle back onto the proper lake sceneIt's implied this is Sans' doing though
>doggy cuck
>>741943291>My grand finale, Omori and Mother 3 in a blender>Did you rike it?
Aside from the bad pacing and dogshit serialized release format, what Deltarune really suffers from is how Toby seemingly wants to create something less whimsical and more mature as a step up to Undertale without realizing he doesn't quite have the writing chops to pull it off yet. Undertale was weird, had some gay shit here and there, but it all felt sincere. There was a kind of childlike earnestness to it and that's what I liked about it, which is partly what made parts such as the Genocide route land instead of feeling like that scene with SpongeBob and Patrick on a baby rollercoaster.Deltarune, by comparison, feels like an tumblrina's awkward attempt at making their own Persona game, and ending up with something that neither feels whimsical nor realistic. On top of that, expanding the team from basically just Toby and Temmie to around a dozen or so people has made the whole thing feel less like an official follow-up and more like a high-effort yet not high-quality fanfiction à la Undertale Yellow, rather than feeling like a natural continuation from the guy who made Undertale in the first place.Also, Ralsei's hatless design sucks and I hate his bedroom eyes. Spamton and Berdly and cool characters though.
>>741942401Flower Man, Petal Dance, the cliffs song, and the final area song are fucking fantastic.
>>741935982yellow was fucking cringe. i'm honestly starting to get silly fatigue with this game.
>>741930239Chapter 6: random bullshit until the last 10 minutesChapter 7: random bullshit until the last 10 minutes Chapter 7B: Slightly different vague bullshit until the last 10 minutes
Hold on a minute, hear me out. Let's say Noelle does the most obvious play and makes a fountain at the hospital to save her dad. Wouldn't it be incredibly significant that you can put Berdley at the right place at the right time through the power of incredible violence? What if making frozen chicken with your side chick IS the key to breaking the prophecy?Don't dump bluebird coin yet.
>>741943347Toby Robert Fox brainwashed by the prophecy himselfI can't believe Chara would do this to him
>>741943301MY FUARKING HERO
>Alright guys we gotta take this serious Undyne is rotting in the Shelter for 2 chapters now and we saw the prophecy and titans>Actually they can get fucked Noelle come jam my clamAt least Seth's ass is fat
Nothing matters, YABBA DABBA DOOOOO
>>741943343You didn't even like Flowery's mixtape???
>>741942924So basically: Noelle is the Angel. Gamebreaking/Codebreaking is her Heaven. She put (you) in Kris because she will Awaken to meta-awareness even in the normal route but it will not be enough.She hijacked Survey Program as a desperate cry for help, knowing what to say to get people start searching for a way to help her.
>>741943393It was never a trio, it was Susie and her little lapdogs.
>>741943115For a number of reasons. Mostly the same thing as what's happening to Deltarune. Each book has to hold your attention on its own merits while leaving enough plot threads dangling to get you to pick it up again later. You can spend a long time marinating on those plot threads since you had to wait for the next installment. So when you wait and it has nothing to do with why you're even continuing, you get annoyed. If it were just the one book, you can accept these thinfs because you're still in the thick of it, so the momentum doesn't feel like it grinds to a complete halt.
>>741943394>It's implied this is Sans' doing thoughNo?
>>741942778Yeah, that's the point. It's the currency in Undertale.
Finally finished the chapter. The OST was medicore, but holy shit Petal Dance is good. Instant top 5 Deltarune track
>>741943415You don't have to write 2 paragraphs about how you want to fuck Ralsei
>>741943343It's still great, just not as good as the other chapter. Nothing comes close to Guardian or Tv time or Black Knife.But >SO HE LIVED>THE FLOWER MANis still kino
>>741943494You are right, he missed one
>>741943354Susie fully believes she can change fate. Have you been paying attention at all?
>>741943438>Berdly says the world>in frozen corpse form!Brilliant.
>>741942868Aborted/Twisted route glitched the simulation because it forced the Prophecy to go back on rails but Noelle has too much Determination to really back down. It's why the jingle didn't play. There is, in fact, no going back because you don't control Noelle's fate anymoreChapter 6 Twisted Route will have Noelle become schizophrenic as she gets lapses of Weird route memories flashing at her from another universe and she'll act outside of everyone's control as a free variable
>>741943467Yeah, by now it doesn't even feel like I am on the same page with neither Kris, Susie or even Ralsei
>>741943242Noelle and DessKnight are the key no matter what.Just as Susie wants castle town to persist, so will at least one of the does regarding the entire game world once tragedy strikes and the truth is revealed.Inversely, once given FREEDOM they will instead fight to break free and persist entirely on their own, albeit foolishly so.Weird route also confirms Noelle's internally as twisted as the hints led on to be.
>>741930239Can Krusie defeat the Suselle prophecy?
>>741943430I didn't want to believe it at first but deltarune really just is undertale shipped 7 times in a row.I'm stocking up on fell for it again awards for chapter 6
>The first song after the title song in chapter 5 is literally called Inappropriate RecyclingIt's bad on purpose...
>>741943335Plants becoming not-quite-lightners if they end up in a dark world makes me wonder what would happen if you introduced an animal into one. Would they be even more powerful than plants?
>>741943438Ralsei will melt Berdley with his fire powers and he will go back to normal
>>741943347There will always be the final cope of the weird route. I mean yes Krusie and most Kriselle fags will die, but regardless, there will be a way to stop suselle with the weird route, and that's all that matters.
>>741943209>Do people need to be doom and gloom 24/7 when they believe something bad might happenSusie never even talks about the Prophecy in chapter 5 to my knowledge. She talks way too fucking much about Noelle thobeit, to the point it feels like her character did a 180. And even this would be fine if Lancer or Queen or Ralsei tried to bring up her weird OOC behavior only for her to shut it down more aggressively each time, but the narrative barely dwells on it. I'm pretty sure it's just Toby being a shit writer who writes with his dick when it comes to lesbians.
>>741943526She has many doubts, the ending scene of Chapter 4 specifically, where she's standing in front of Kris's house shows it, she punches the prophecy and pretends she doesn't believe it, but it's clear it weighs on her mind, Ralsei clearly sees through her after she tries to comfort him.Then start Chapter 5 and she's... getting makeup on for her date with Noelle.
>Implied that the weird route changes significantly only if you abort it in CH5>Noelle implied to still join your team in CH6TWISTED SWORD ROUTE FAGS BTFO'D
>>741943347I think theory is lame and uninteresting because it cuts actual room of character development and depth, since they are brainwashed.
>>741939516>DUUUDE so much build-up and subtle development, the next chapter will be so awesome man!!!we are 5/7 done with the game and there hasn't been any actual story development other than what happened in chapter 4
>Retards don't realize that chapter 5 is hammering in that Kris is a villain
>You reach the bottom of the lake and find a sword.> Its name is the "Dragon Slayer."
>>741943438Only a true gamer can beat prophecy (because it's a video game)
>Ch 2 and 4>Susie thinks Noelle is nice and they should be friends>Ch 5>She's in love, the entire Castle Town sequence is dedicated to her big date>The light world sequence is their big date (but she can still be fun if you keep cockblocking Noelle)>Lake scene feels like it comes even further out of left field>Shitload of scenes where the dark world gets sidetracked talking about her love>The endingKris walking away depressed at the end was literally me. I'm becoming fully snowgravepilled now
>>741943347>if you are a good boy you get cucked>if you treat Noelle like a sack of shit she wont cuck you vut you become her bitch
How can Ralsei be a plant if he's the prince of darkners and a darkner himself as the prophecy says?
>>741936925You're not wrong. A bad chapter can do this to a story. Most things we saw before were simply build-up, and hollow pay-off can make all of that pointless.Chapters 6 and 7 have so little space and time now, that they have to be perfect in order to give a satisfying resolution to everything
>>741943209And she's clearly internally struggling with what she say in the prophecy and is trying to distract with Noelle's romance. People can't fucking understand subtext to save their lives these days I swear to god.
>>741943425>Petal DanceI quite like this but it's rather simple, not something I'd listen to outside of the game's setting>Flower Man>cliffs song>final area songNo sense arguing taste, I think this is uninspired as compared to the standard that's been set
>>741943669Kris is good guy anonHe just wanted therapy for his dadHe wasnt actually going to rip up the bunker codesRight Kris?You wouldn't do that now.Right?
>>741937367I just finished watching his HOMM video (That narrows it down) get out of my browser. You can take the "e621 doe+breathplay+drowning" with you though.
>>741943669>making dark fountains for the player to play in is bad because...>it's just bad, okay?And he's not even in control in WR.
>>741943585yeah actually what was the deal with that? remixing the very first thing is the thing that must happen at the very end, but more importantly it's just the first part before flower shit really takes offlike it's plain inappropriate
>>741943478autists think the bread he gives you does somethingit disappears if you fail to drown
>>741942942I feel like the overall consensus for chapter 3 and 4 was very positive among the entire fanbase, though
>>741941830in case you are not joking, no you should notIf anything since you managed to wait up to this point, might as well wait a bit more to see how bad it can get.Hopefully by then you'll find other stuff to live for
>>741943673I'm positive nothing in the prophecy has taken place yet
>>741943748It leaves bread crumbs to follow
>>741943545>>741943601If Gerson can come back from a pile of ashes, who's to say Noelle's perception wouldn't make Berdley's comatose body something else entirely as long as she hasn't been pierced by thorn ring a second time?I'm coping, none of this infinite possibility shit is going to amount to anything. Chapter 5 kind of put a dent in my schizo enthusiasm.
I have a question, the flowers became humans in the dark world because they wanted to be humans or they became humans because Asgore's dream was having a family of humans?
>>741943740I mean the whole chapter is an inappropriate remix when you think about it. It's just chapter 1 but japan. You start in the same starting zone and work your way to a castle that you have to climb.
>>741943394He definitely had a part (The bread is some hidden matrix tool that lets him track you and hit the emergency alt f4 button)
>>741943592They became that way because they had no consciousness. I'd say that animals would just get themed outfits.
>>741932024ralsei is moss
>>741943714>she say in the prophecy and is trying to distract with Noelle's romanceThis is complete cope and fanfiction. There's no fucking reason for her to say to say nothing to Kris if that's the case or retcon her reason for disliking him at first.
>>741943572Thinking about it, it makes sense that someone that never was in a relationship before, specially a teenager, would be so happy and talk about it non stop just after they confessed their feelings. Even an adult with previous experience would be thinking in a recent love confession/start of a relationship like that
Berdly deserve to go to castle town more than Noelle
>>741943752Ch 3+4 exceeded my expectations and I like what they did with it more than the fan theories thrown about. Ch 5 fell below them.
>>741943430Correction:>Chapter 7B: Skip to the last 10 minutes of Chapter 7 and then get 10 more mmioubntes of Vague bullshit after that.
>>741943636>>741943660>Nooo! The super determined hope incarnate girl has to be sad and depressed while she commits to the plan she believes will get her the shelter code!!!>Don't you know that people in terrible IRL situation are constantly sad and depressed too? Nobody in a war zone or in prison or on death row or with a terminal illness ever has a laughGenuine retards who do not understand Susie's character.
>>741943828She's clear at the end of Chapter 4 that she doesn't want to believe it's real and that it won't happen. She's in complete denial over it.
>>741943698Guess Tree Ralsei stocks are down... but remember that they were lesser because they were FLOWERS, bigger plants might have deeper......ROOTS...
>>741943812Are you ready for WR to be ruined by Sans again? You clapped once, you will clap twice.
>>741943678I don't think you played chapter 2 or 4Susie has a negative romance IQ, but it's not exactly hidden that she wants it
>>741943669the little imp is too smart and too caring to be simply a "villain"no, he probably was savescumming for way too long while trying to get his golden ending, but bit off more than he chew when summonning (YOU)
>>741943801Oh, so that's why I couldn't take that scene seriously and thought it was cringe lol
>>741943714>the narrative literally never even hints at X>UHHH ARE YOU MEDIA ILLITERATE??? CLEARLY IT'S SAYING X>where>SUBTEXT IDIOT, CAN'T YOU READ???Why do you bother coping this hard? Toby isn't your friend.>>741943865You know people gradually change in fiction because they're influenced by the events? It's called a story.
>>741943345Yeah, i think i misread your post. Sorry anon.
In undertale I loved everyoneIn deltarune I hate almost everyoneMaybe it's on purpose, I don't know
>>741943879If Ralsei is the prince of the darkners...Who is the king?oh ...oh no
>bird nigga repeat to you onions last words before he killed her
>>741939979the way it should be done is have the main story should be an ordinary narrative arc, with an expected climax to happen sometime in chapters 5-7 with everything leading up to that. tricky tony the tiger wants his subversion so it'd likely include an early climax, which would've started in chapter 5 (and probably cliffhangered 'till later). instead, chapter 5 is just more fucking setup.the weird route does this, so it more and more seems to be the real story – in which case i'd maybe forgive the deflation, but it still feels like shit and needs some explanation.
all i want is to kill kris, that little bitch
>>741943716Petal dance sounds like a major key arrange of black knife to me with different instruments. Something about the song structure or melodies sounds nearly identical to me.
>>741943802The former. It's Kris's Dark World, not Asgore's.
all i want is to save kris, that poor soul
>>741942253I can understand what you mean, anon, and for your sake, I hope it won't turn out too badly.
>>741943906it's a funny face out of context
>>741943807They were obviously banking on throwback before the big show, but it'd only have worked if it was set in our Dark World.
>Schizoboss no. 1: A crazy clown that learned the world was just a game and chose to treat it as such>Schizoboss no. 2: A salesman down on his luck that's trying to ascend past the bounds of his current reality>Schizoboss no. 3: A vaguefag mantle who vagueposts and calls Kris a psycho>Schizoboss no. 4: An old man who's trying to mentor the next generation and give them hope in changing the future>Schizoboss no. 5: A trannyWhere was the Drop-off point?
Reading all of these armchair writers makes me so fucking glad none of you are in charge of the story, holy fucking shit.
>>741942253you should write your own fanfiction where it turns out how you want it to
Toby Fox is perfectly able to write a good story, he just saw consistently chapter after chapter that his fanbase see him as a perfect little bean that can't do no wrong and didn't "lock in" as the young people say. I think the divisive response to 5 will wake him up a little.
>>741943430If I had seen this one week ago I would've called you a doomfag, but now I kinda see it happening.
>>741944017nah i know you couldn't do better
>Asgore is surprised by thr color of his fur in the dark worldSince the color scheme between Kris (1/3/5) and the Knight (2/4) is the same, does it imply they share a soul or something?
>>741943847I agree, ch 5 gave me whiplash with how underwhelming it was. It just lacked that same charm that all of Toby's other work has and thematically felt more like Undertale Yellow than Deltarune.I was hoping for a chapter antagonist that could be more based than Tenna or Queen, but Flowery's design, theme, and fight all just fall really flat for me.
hmm tranniesyuck! p.u
>>741944012>boss 5target audience
>The Dark World is a reflection of the one who made it>Kris and the Knight's dark worlds are the same>To the point where the transition between them is seamlessWhat did they mean by this?
>>741944012Everyone and their mother admitted back in Chapter 2 era it was best not to try more schizoing bosses because Spamton blew the load too early
>>741943874Sure and so the answer to that is to plot in silence and deceive your close friends as well as making fake emotional reveals to them that completely reframe the relationship you had with them?
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>>741944017I'd rather Toby just copied whatever popular reddit theory's out there because there's no way it's worse than this filler trash
>>741943354>they've seen the prophecy and how unmalleable it really is>It makes no sense the way she acts.You don't think that maybe she could be coping a bit poorly after seeing her unmalleable fate? That it might have hit her just a lil bit harder than TV boy pestering her to play a game? It might not be THE answer but it certainly seems plausible. Coping myself face-first into some pussy would certainly be on my short list if I knew I was gonna die soon because of some whack-ass prophecy. Alternative theory: She's suspicious as hell of Kris (and maybe ralsei too), so she's playing dumb and "acting her part" (fairly poorly) until she sees kris trying to rip the shelter code at the end which basically confirms the suspicions right there, so she closes herself up in the supply closet under the guise of getting it ready for noelle so she can plot with ralsei (or maybe just herself) all night to prevent whatever scheme kris is in on and maybe 'rescue' him. The more I think about that one the more I like it. I can't see the conversation after kris opens the dark world as anything but her putting two and two together and deciding not to mention it. Same with ralsei's fireball.
>>741944028>I think the divisive response to 5 will wake him up a little.Is it really divisive thoughFeels like normalfags (tha vaste majority of people playing) enjoy it without putting much thought in it
>>741943874Can you point out where in the narrative of chapter 5 is it even hinted at that she's coping over the prophecy by thirsting for the deer? Seriously, I'll take even a single throwaway line.>i-it's subtextNot an answer. Toby is not that good of a writer and chapter 5's dreadful pacing, and the way this chapter ruined the pacing of the game in general, proves as much.
>>741944012You may ask, who is next?You may ask, who will be?Who will be secret boss of adventure no 3?Me don't knows, and me don't cares!Me only care about Spamton. The rest can go up in the airs!
>>741944078I mean the prophecy clearly shows Susie and Kris fighting each other and one of them dying.
>>741944074Faggot
>>741942253>pic relnice reference!
>>741944012>A vaguefag mantle who vagueposts and calls Kris a psychoI'd tack Ramb on with Mantle as well. All that shit about "real fun" and freedom is pure schizo
>>741943783being Kris truly is suffering
>>741944073Knight is WR Kris
>>741944012When the game included something that made you feel too weird inside to engage with honestly
Does anyone feel like chapter 5 is out of order with other chapters? No way this is what Kris and Susie just decide to do after what happened in chapter 4.
man im watching a stream of someone very schizo that is already 10 hours on the chapter and he didn't even met blue yet, he thinks Kris has a crush on Berdly now because he had one of their blue feathers.
>weird ruote is noelle literally telling you to hold her hands tighter and give it to her harder until your vision goes whitewhat did toby mean by this
>>741944012four onwards, the balance of vagueposting and funposting was completely off>won't you let yourself outside?>you are just like me, DESPERATE>i can see in the dark, the question is, can you?
>>741944118Her ignoring her real home to sleep in the dark world is clearly not a good thing. Wanting the adventures to go on forever is not a good thing
>>741943698The Prophecy never says it has to be a Darkener, only a "Prince from the Dark". The actual thing is that Ralsei is singled out in Data for the prophecy image, so unless there is another Ralsei around Ralsei is set.Kris could be another Ralsei.
>>741944109Reddit has been bitching about it too. And the japs. It's been more divisive than any other chapter up to this point.
>>741944178Sex
>>741943547I think aborted chapter five weird route might be the worst fate for everyone, however I think an early abort so long as you got the thorn ring to make the twisted SOUL might be the best fate.Berdly lives, and you get THE SWORD.
>>741944073Either time travel save shenanigans or Kris' original soulOr Kris and the Knight just share the same brain cell
>>741943935might be a mercy kill at this point
>>741944167old susie would have murdered the shit out of him for saying that
>>741944109It's divisive enough, you can find significant criticism and negative experiences even in normalfag circles.I think that no matter how good and independent of an artist you'll start becoming high on your own supply if you get the absurd amount of "can do no wrong" praise Toby has had over the last couple of years.
>>741944206Post links please, i want to read
>>741943910>Susie changes gradually but not in the way anon likes so he pretends she doesn't Retarded and hypocritical I'd like to reiterate that Susie is literally still doing what you want her to do. She's looking for the shelter codes. You're literally just pissed because she's still enjoying herself when she's doing fun things. You're a faggot.
>>741944187I agree with that much but nothing about the rest of her behavior throughout the entire chapter, particularly her romance with Noelle, is portrayed as being unhealthy escapism. It's just one brief moment at the end. None of the other characters bring up her bizarre OOC behavior because this is just how Susie is now, she dates the doe once and they're now a happy couple forever. This is just how Toby writes, he can do a decent job as long as there's no lesbians.
anyone tried starting chapter 5 without any saves at all?
