Games where armed and unarmed attacks share the same moveset and are affected by the same perks and skills?
Does the spinning jump serve any purpose, or is it just there to look pretty?
>>741951543Oh, I see you made this thread on /k/ before. Do these dances even work in real situation or just for show?
>>741951919>>741952051Lots of these moves are just there to look good, one dude became an MMA fighter, went back to China and beat the shit out of all the martial arts "masters". He got his life ruined because the government didnt like that.
>>741952051they don't work in a fight, no. it's just fancy calisthenics
>>741951919Closing distance quickly if you're out of range, and jumps in general help increase the power of attacks, that's the main point of "shadow step" or "pendulum step"
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>>741952249>Closing distance quickly if you're out of rangeI'm pretty sure a lunge would do that and cover the same ground while wasting less time and energy.>increase the power of attacksI dunno, seems like turning your back on your opponent to do an overhead with a spear of all things is asking for trouble. If the other guy also has a spear that's basically asking to be stabbed in the back. For the unarmed version I guess that's not really an issue.
>>741952720NTA and I'm not familiar with martial arts, but is a roundhouse kick (like in Mortal Kombat) a thing at all IRL? Can you really build more momentum (and force) by spinning around with one of your legs raised up? It seems like a running kick would do a lot more damage, but idk.
>>741951543Are chinks just incapable of making themselves look cool
That never works in the real world no country has won wars with sticks
>>74195289099% of the time if a kickboxer wants to kick someone in the head they'll just do a high kick aimed at the head. You generate enough force to knock someone out by just rotating your hips and kicking instead of doing a meme 360 spin to look cool.
>>741952890I know nothing about unarmed martial arts which is why I'm focusing on the spear stuff. But as for doing some kind of full rotation to build momentum and power, that absolutely is a thing for weapon systems. For swords it's called a moulinet and you can find it in almost every 18th-19th century sabre or broadsword system and even in some earlier sources too (IIRC the Dardi sidesword school of the 16th century teaches it, for example).
>>741952720In the video the guy literally uses the jump and the spin to change direction (he was going the other direction)The increase on the power of the attacks by doing small "jumps" (without spinning though) is well known in the soviet style of boxing, which in the eyes of most people is one of the "flashiest" styles.
>>741953106The spear is like the most popular and common weapon in history. It was overpowered before firearms. Just stand at range and poke, there's no counter to it. No one actually used swords aside from some nobles to look cool, but they were like iphones, just to show off, those same nobles used spears/lances in battle anyway.
>>741952890In IRL most fights end in seconds (someone gets sucker punched/hit by a blunt object), or get thrown down into the ground into a wrestling match. Because IRL there are no referees who will be separating the fighters for a next round.
>>741953309>In the video the guy literally uses the jump and the spin to change direction (he was going the other direction)Well yeah, but that's kind of why I'm wondering what the point of it is, the only practical application I can think of is if you need to immediately 180 when pincered between two enemies, otherwise it's seems either superfluous or very risky.>The increase on the power of the attacks by doing small "jumps" (without spinning though) is well known in the soviet style of boxing, which in the eyes of most people is one of the "flashiest" styles.Fair enough, like I said I guess it doesn't really have a problem in unarmed combat so I guess that makes sense.
>>741952890yes, go look at Taekwondo olympics and 90s Full Contact Karate footage if you want to see fighting game style kicks being used. Running kick is not as stable as spinning or jumping kick, running is better for tackling and pushing power, not "stopping power." Roundhouse kick and spinning back kick are two of the most powerful kicks out there because the momentum generates and builds up to unleash a heavy fucking strike that's about x3 to x12 of a regular punch from a boxer. Basically, its a force multiplying kick at that point, but the body can take a lot of damage and will only be lethal if it hits the head. If someone wants to land a really strong headshot with a kick, they'll go for a hook kick/axe kick or a crescent kick (type of an inbetween where you arc your kick into an axe kick, there was a youtuber in a muay thai fight where he landed a spinning back kick and Ko'd the person because he landed the shot in the kidney.
>>741953106They did pretty well for a while.
>>741952152>>741951919Eastern martial arts are like eastern action video games: Full of unnecessary flashy shit.
>>741953726the flashy shit is athletics side and most people do martial arts for sports/form shit anyway these days, if you want to learn proper non-flashy shit? Go study actual Wingchun/Monkey Fist kung fu or Gojuu-Ryuu Karate and especially from a non-castrated school.
>>741953893Or just learn what the police and SWAT use, that shit is the most practical.
>>741953981a lot of police/swat basically use the same shit you would find in say Hapkido funnily enough, modern combatives are just simplified muay thai + wrestling with some basic joint locks from BJJ for cops.
>>741952890A roundhouse kick and side kick are not the same as a spin kick. You don't spin around for them. They just have different directions they come from.
>>741951543that kung fu culture is dead. china is now lazy and greedy, just like any other country. literally all chinese ai are paid services... xi kek
>>741953893>>741953726>>741952720>>741952890>>741951919>Spinning moves are just flashy and usele...
>>741954220side kick = pushes off the ground after a sidestep to load up the strike for penetrative force.roundhouse kick = does a 1/4th of a spin with a stance shift by first lifting up the lead leg and then using the momentum there as you turn naturally with kick off the floor to speed up the kicking leg and turning it into the strike with the shin with objective to clash with and maim the targeted area for anyone wondering what the difference is when properly implemented, "not just different directions" but two completely different purposes/uses/range. (side kick = long range after side step, roundhouse = short range to destabilize your opponent.)
>>741954385people were talking about hand to hand martial arts on the streets useless not with a weapon in hand useless, the spinning you see is him setting up angles to penetrate with a stab through the enemy's armor and parrying/chambering the enemy's weapon to sweep it out of the way.
>>741953726What about Southeastern martial arts?
>>741954575All those spins and twirls are all necessary? If so what does it differ from all the twirls and spins from kung fu?
>>741954385The montante windmill is specifically intended to fend off multiple attackers, which is the only reason it has back turning. It also works because it has both incredible reach and the full length applies effective cutting power, unlike a poleaxe or a spear as in the OP which only have the reach aspect.
>>741954797In kung fu for street purpose you don't do the spinning shit, its to demonstrate you understood the form/idea for the next step, think of it like passing through school grades.
>>741951543Post real life wuxia protagonistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Xiaodong
>>741954575>the spinning you see is him setting up angles to penetrate with a stab through the enemy's armor and parrying/chambering the enemy's weapon to sweep it out of the way.Incorrect, the style shown in the webm is called "montante" after a type of sword, it's intended for fighting multiple unarmoured opponents, the sweeping motions exist to constantly threaten all directions and prevent your adversaries from attacking you safely not to "penetrate and stab".Indeed if your desire was to penetrate armour you would favour a shorter weapon with better point control.
>>741955069>In June 2019, Xu made a video on YouTube claiming that he wished to become an Australian citizen while commenting on Chinese actors who live abroad or have foreign passports, claiming that "all patriots are going abroad … long live China".
>>741955356Rory anal correction.
>>741953359Literally everyone all throughout history used swords as a sidearm and the Romans also notably employed the sword as a main armament for some of their troops. Swords were also the civilian weapon of choice where available because they were small and could be carried easily in their scabbard, unlike a spear that's large and would need to be carried in hand since there's no good way to stow it. There was also a brief period in Europe where the spear fell out of favor because spears are terrible weapons when faced against heavy plate armor.
>>741954792I think muay thai is the most practical "martial arts" and actually worth learning the form and execution, not the rituals. not really sure about the others, but aren't they just dances with weapons (same as kung fu)?
>>741952974show me someone cooler
>>741953359>>741955625It's worth noting that in the black powder era swords became primary weapons again, if only for cavalry and navy specifically.
>>741955657Go look at Goju Ryuu conditioning if you think that's "dance with weapons." (founded by a guy who thought all of the martial arts was mostly just bullshit focusing on too much of the flashy shit and stuck to its own roots pretty well.)
>>741956070Bayonets turned muskets into pseudo spears
>>741953106what movie is this
>>741956256Well yeah, for infantry and marines. Sailors drew cutlass in the event of combat because they were still responsible with handling the ship and you can't really do that while carrying a musket. Similar problem for cavalry, although there was the niche use case of dragoons when they were still being used as mobile mounted infantry, since they'd dismount to fire.
>>741956256Bayonets were still a thing in WW2, and Japs even carried actual swords for CQC. Shitty mass produced ones, not the 1000x folded Nippon steel, but still.
>>741951919Spinning is good for confusing an opponent if you do it like once or twiceIt also conceals your action, putting your back to himIf you do it to many times you will get killed for it, though
>>741956525I think it was some gay showInto the Badlands?
