Deltarune is a complete insult and mockery of the game that proceeded it. Deltarune has become a game of nothing. No consistent theme, no consistent writing, and there's not even any consistent gameplay. The two times at which it attempted anything challenging, they were nerfed and censored. It amazes me that this even came from the same person who made Undertale in the first place. Toby Fox either got insanely lucky with making Undertale and how good it was, or he's become a rich millionaire that doesn't even need to give a fuck about the quality of his games anymore. Undertale had an amazing story, great characters, great soundtrack, and was a great meta critique on video games in general. Deltarune can't even hold up it's jockstrap in almost any regard. Not the characters, story, themes, anything. It succumbed to the very fandom that cultivated around Toby's works and has morphed into essentially jacking off the fandom at every turn rather than giving a good story. It dumbs itself down constantly to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Pushing merch, meme humor, member berries, and a general inability to take itself seriously at all. Undertale feels like a work of art. Deltarune feels like a cheap, corporately created Undertale bootleg.
The fact that people who grew up loving undertale, somehow love deltarune is amazing to me. Because growing up with Undertale and then seeing Deltarune should allow you to see the massive discrepancy in terms of quality.
Go back and play Undertale right now and you'll see that it was always the same shit
>>741953430No, it wasn't actually. Undertale had far better, more consistent characters, and a great story. Deltarune is an inconsistent, incoherent mess that has no actual story and character arcs beyond chapter 1.
>>741953546And then the final chapter will have some meta bullshit that references le gaster and you'll nut so hard you forget all of this. The writing has always been amateurish and the good designs were outsourced. You were just less discerning in 2015. The fact that the only saving graces in deltarune are the music and occasional boss mechanics is very consistent with the quality of undertale, it's just not condensed into one quick game which clearly did a lot for it.
I feel like its mostly due to the episodic release schedule. If Toby was forced to make the whole game at once and release it instead of meandering and trying to fuck with people's expectations while subverting things, it would have turned out much better. We still have chapters 6 and 7 to go which will hopefully salvage 5's poor performance, but i don't have too much confidence on the story and character side of things.On the upside, while the story takes a downturn, the gameplay keeps getting better, I dont think he would be able to pull off a mechanical evolution like he has with a single release game, and in that regard the episodic releases are much better.
>>741954629>And then the final chapter will have some meta bullshit that references le gaster and you'll nut so hard you forget all of this.I'm not a Deltarune fan. >The writing has always been amateurishCompared to Undertale, Deltarune looks like a badly written fanfiction that not even a 12 year old could come up with. Undertale has a million times better writing than this. It actually has a consistent story, character arcs, themes, etc that it follows through on. Deltarune does none of this.
>>741954629Also, I don't remember Undertale literally shilling me merch midgame. In fact, when Undertale was first made, Toby absolutely refused to make any kind of merch for it. Those millions he made off of Undertale must have changed him into a soulless sellout.
>>741954771>I dont think he would be able to pull off a mechanical evolution like he has with a single release game, and in that regard the episodic releases are much better.That's true, except the mechanical evolution is so barebones that the game itself doesn't even trust you to naturally fail at it without force-skipping the section entirelyThey spend so much time on them and then dont even trust you to experiment or even lose
>>741952546Maybe it's time you realize Undertale wasn't that good in the first place.
>>741955757Okay, convince me of that then. Because I just replayed Undertale and this is the opinion I hold.
>>741952546>woke retarded game has woke retarded sequel made by woke retardwhat a fucking shockpeople who liked undertroon are all a bunch of faggots who jack off to literal skeletal remains and humanoid goats, and hate straight relationships. Kill yourself
It’s so interesting to me that certain LLM threads always use the exact same stock images, down to always being yanked from google search instead of having a 4chan unix timestamp.
>>741955547I dont agree, I really like the 2D action platformer sections in 5 and what you can do with them, and I for sure do not think Toby would have been able to pull that off without struggling through multiple previous episode, especially trying to get the Link's Awakening clone working.
>>741952546have you played undertale recently? Just the lack of a run button alone makes Deltarune better
>>741955859>gameplay dies after one iteration, mechanics are too simple to give much on interactions>Fighting is entirely useless on Pacifist. Acting is useless on Genocide. Neutral is a pointless route you have no good reason to want>Story thinks Toriel is a way bigger saint than the narrative implies>Alphys is an even bigger shit than the game realises, with zero comeuppance>all attempts at romance are awful >humour tries way too hard as you realise everything is overly wacky and wholesome unless you choose to be an edgelord>the mystery is less about mystery and more about vagueposting, a problem made even worse in Deltarune>story has little depth beyond saying completionism badIt's carried hard by music and by hurt/comfort pandering
Fuck this. I'm going to create my own deltarune, with blackjack and hookers. It had so much potential, it could have surpassed Undertale in every single aspect but no, we get this shit instead.Like you know you fucked up when fucking normies start to notice the cracks
>>741952546Undertale didn't take a decade to make and wasn't released in pieces.i knew Toby was clueless when Chapter 2 dropped. i saw the signs in Chapter 1 but though "eh, it's the beginning, i'll give him a chance."
Is it just me or Deltarune threads are rapidly going to shit? And it's shit here too... Looks like the only place of sanity for Deltarune discussion is disentrigrating because on one hand there are shit eaters popping out (who may also be trannies since that checks out...) who absolutely trip the Chapter 5 and on the other hand you have sharties like >>741953430 >>741955757 >>741955960 who will proudly admit they have not played the games, haven't one list bit tried but want (You)s and praise of how amazing their "intelectual qualities" are for pure vanity of it. Did I miss the whining time when people with some better taste (and media literacy) but those who cared about the games as well just left by now and moved on?...
>>741956537>oy vey le shartroonsHaven't touched another imageboard in years faggot. I have tried both games, they suck ass same as Earthbound. But at least the Mother games weren't wokeslop made by a man who demonstrably believes straight relationships are heckin' rape.>media literacyredditor moment
>>741956227>>gameplay dies after one iteration, mechanics are too simple to give much on interactionsElaborate.>Fighting is entirely useless on Pacifist. Acting is useless on Genocide. Neutral is a pointless route you have no good reason to wantYou're literally required to do neutral to even do pacifist. Genocide you can complete right away.>Story thinks Toriel is a way bigger saint than the narrative impliesElaborate>Alphys is an even bigger shit than the game realises, with zero comeuppanceCan't argue with this, but still better than anything handled in Deltarune. Characters literally don't even die in Deltarune. >all attempts at romance are awful The Undyne and Alphys one was far better written than anything in Deltarune.>humour tries way too hard as you realise everything is overly wacky and wholesome unless you choose to be an edgelordThat's Deltarune. Even the worst of Undertale doesn't compare to Deltarune's humor. It's absolutely godawful. Tenna's humor wasn't even something that Undertale didn't even lower themselves to that. >the mystery is less about mystery and more about vagueposting, a problem made even worse in DeltaruneDeltarune sets up things only to completely drop them next chapter.>story has little depth beyond saying completionism badSo nothing about the values of friendship, relationships, codependency with Asriel and Chara's relationship, manipulation, suicide, none of that was in there, I guess.
>>741952546I don't think Deltarune is a masterpiece in the way Undertale is, but c'mon. It's pretty good. I've just played the new chapter and it was fantastic. The biggest criticism you could levy at Deltarune is that it retreads a lot of what Undertale did and became formulaic in a sense. But it's still an interesting story.
>>741956650>But at least the Mother games weren't wokeslop
>>741956791This was supposed to be a joke
>>741956735>Elaboratenta but what "good" things do you think she did?not prevent six children from dying and being upset with Asgore for not going out and killing people after he got one soul?
>>741956650>But at least the Mother games weren't wokeslopnigga forgot about the Mother 3 fairy transvestites
>>741956895Where is the game trying to make her look like a saint?
>>741956924no anon you don't understand it was purposeful and ironic see? >>741956874
Was chapter 5 that bad or is it just one schizo replying to himself?
>>741957008if you're saying it's the community's fault she has such a good reputation, then i guess i agree.
>>741956380Need any ideas my guy I had before and after Chapter 3 and 4 and what dissapointments I have with Chapter 5?If you want any inspiration further much I suppose... Whatever could just spread motivation and some work on actual good stuff is more needed than ever especially in this entropic times... For example the Japanese theme of Deltarune Chapter 5 would actually have both justification if Woody theory (2.0) was reused and instead of the old casette player being the Woody cowboy show it could have been old Japanese drama that came with the TV set in Asgore's shop and it was discarded into forgotten ends ever since Asgore got his cowboys shows on. The schizo boss would be Woody idea but the Darkneer of the old Japanese drama going Samurai Western https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9WqWf0xRAg aesthetic and schizo episode. I think sure beats fucking Mew Mew being the schizo boss.
what’s with vee and seething about chapter 5literally everyone but you fucks liked it
>>741957038NTA but personally I wasn't all that impressed. I think Toby managed a near-perfect tone with chapter 4 and it's really disappointing that was all kind of forgotten about this chapter. It was enjoyable don't get me wrong, but its not what I play Deltarune for.
>>741957038It's just one schizo replying to himself. It was kino.
>>741956786>But it's still an interesting story.it's barebones threads being delayed, stalled and sat on; stretched out for a decade before any answers are provided.stalling for so long basically guarantees the answers are going to be disappointing.
>>741957179/v/ chuds forgot they're not Toby Fox's target audience. They've spent so long huffing copium that Suselle being the canon ship (in the Normal Route, anyway) somehow flabbergasted them.
>>741957179It's an expression of love
>>741956791Itoi made very well sure to accurately represent them because Lucas can only unlock his potential while he's being drowned and molested by one of those trannies.
My biggest problem is not following up on chapter 4 stakes, Toby my guy, why are you doing a filler chapter, 5 episodes in when you only have 7? Get it together, man.
what does it mean?
>>741957179/v/ has cultivated a small group of retarded shippers over the last few years, and Chapter 5 has caused that small group immense butthurt
>Kris. We need to find the shlter code and save undyne! From now on let's be the hero we're supposed to be, alright?https://youtu.be/OobVFldn6As>Chapter 5>huh? undyne? yeah whatever, i have a date right now! Rude buster time!!!!
>>741956537Means nothing. Mid chapter made people mad. Will go back to normal if 6 and 7 are good.
>>741957548Steps to "abort" in chapter 5
>>741956650>Haven't touched another imageboard in years faggot. Not beating the attention whore allegation which is the spiritual virtue of sharties. >I have tried both games, they suck ass same as Earthbound.Sure, cool opinion faggot. Do you at least get personal satisfaction for derailing the thread just like trannies when they destroy media as well? Otherwise no fucking point other than being a nigger you have here. >>741956650>>media literacy>redditor momentSince 2025 there's over a billion indians on the internet. The term gains new meaning considering this site especially is flooded with creatures who have no concept for past and future.
mew mew love
>>741957179I have been looking for opinions outside of /v/, places famous for their echo chambers like plebbit and tumblr. A decent chunk of people is dissatisfied as to how ch5 turned out but bitterly accept it like the sheep that they are.
>>741957334Badly written voyeuristic lesbian shit being forced upon us was somewhat expected. What was not expected was the sheer degree of how bad it is.Susie in particular has her entire character nuked by the dialog where she says the reason she bullied Kris was because she thought the emo fucker was dating Noelle. All that shit from chapter 4 about her backstory was just a fucking lie I guess and she actually was just a shallow violent bulldyke all along.For me it least it took something that had a lot of writing issues but wasn't unsalvagable, and completely destroyed any faith I had that it would be pulled together in a satisfying way by the end.There is no plan, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Toby Fox is just a bad writer.
Ok guys hear me out what if the next dark world (or the dark world in the final chapter) takes place in town hall?
>>741958078I have been looking for opinions outside of /v/ and it looks like everyone agrees you’re a lying faggot
>>741957334Difference between "yurislop" and "literally being straight is rape, all straight men are rapists" is pretty big thoughMaybe these "chuds" wouldn't hate it if the game didn't purposefully insult the common audience routinely Fucking faggot
>Guys just wait another 5 years for Chapter 7 you'll see it'll all turn around in the end and actually be good at the last minute you just have to keep [WAITING]!!!lollmao
i forget, what does the black star mean on chapter select? cleared save but deleted?
>>741958304maybe look outside your comfort zone
>>741958448Shut the fuck up retarded snowflake faggot
>>741957179Please do an experiment of writing everything that amazed you about the Chapter 5 down on paper and seal it or just don't look at it. Set a calendar date in months or two time and before opening it try to recall everything you loved about Deltarune Chapter 5. Bonus point is also in the longer run the very things you think are amazing now you'll find lame later as well. Spamton gets memes, discussion and fanart till this very day like a cultural monolith, even Jevil to the lesser extent does as well very nichely. There is literally nothing exceptional about Chapter 5 other than >Japan Not to mention the very reason Deltarune gets threads on /v/ and the very following it has is the love letters to the medium of video games secret bosses were, this one sucks balls so much one just wants to forget this happened really.>literally everyone but you fucks liked ittl:drTry being less of a cattlebrained consumer since you just enjoyed the product and will move on. We despise you here. You literally have reddit or any other fucking social platform.
>>741958094I don't understand how people can lay this all out - 'nothing makes sense, characters are acting wrong, there's bad post hoc rationalisations everywhere, backstories go missing' - from a game and creator who have built their reputation (and literally this story) on discussions of free will and 'choices don't matter'... and then be like 'nah it's just bad writing'.Susie ends CH4 literally smashing the prophecy because she didn't like what it entailed. Her last lines are literally WE AREN'T GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN. But she spends a night in the Dark World, and the next time we see her she's Prophecy's #1 Fan. Nothing has actually changed in the dynamic between Susie and Noelle, they still don't have anything like the chemistry they should have, but it's just being forced to happen. When you pick Susie and Noelle to play the power tester, Noelle is like 'teehee this game is all about proving how strong our bonds are and if we ring the bell that means we're basically soulmates teehee'. Then Susie just smashes it herself, without even trying to wait/listen to Noelle or her plan/countdown and declares herself the winner. She doesn't even fucking get it, but when Noelle nudges her about 'ring bell, strong bond' Susie just slams the bell to make it ring. You can't see a scene like that and not think 'wow, that's fucked up'. Kris spends the whole chapter SEETHING about it, and he literally won't let you tell Susie things will work out with Noelle. If you abort the Weird Route, Noelle's 'nothing changes and I'm just forced to play a role' speech is intercut with the scene of her and Susie at the lake. Yes, there's some cute shit in there because this isn't depressionquest9000, but there are a million cracks in the facade that you're pointed towards.Shit is absolutely fucked.
>>741952546I'm playing it right now and I'm immediately noticing something is off. Way too many callbacks and memesDoes it get better after the hub?
>>741958770youre homophobic
>>741957179If you didnt didnt spend 8 hours a day masturbating on 4chan youd see the non goycattle people outside of this website hate it too
>>741956227All of these is true, and on top of that the undyne/alphys romance feels super forced. That being said Deltarune is still a significant step down from Undertale because it's unfinished and fails to innovate on the first game's formula.
>Yuri is the highest form of literature. The lesbian romance? The handholding? The trials and the tribulations? Peak fiction.>BUT. That's only one part of it. to truly appreciate it you need NTR. Watching the girl you like get swept away by your middle school bully while you just sit there in your chair helplessly. Absolutely amazing. Suselle is canon because I wanted to combine the ultimate highs of romance with the agonizing despair of a romantic cuckoldry sub-plot. it's the perfect narrative cocktail.>Look forward to chapter 6 in 2029!
>>741959557FFS stop
>>741956537You didn't play deltarune
>>741959184I was willing to ride the schizotheory train up til now anon, because this game really is built to try to foster things like that...But with how abysmal the writing is this time I just can't bring myself to have any faith that this is going anywhere anymore. It would probably be something I could move past a bit if there was ANYTHING of note in the chapter besides the yurislop. But the rest of the chapter is more of a nothingburger than Chapter 3 was, and the secret boss is a fucking joke character. There's nothing here except Yuri so fucking atrocious it has put me on a quest to find ONE lesbian romance plot that isn't shit to contrast garbage like this against. And the Weird Route I guess, which is by far the most interesting thing in the chapter but also won't be getting a follow up until chapter 7.
Can the tourists in this thread atleast try to pretend they use 4chan?
>>741956537Genuinely, it's been like this for every chapter release. It goes through the same cycles of illiterate fags speedreading everything and getting mad that there's nothing to read into. Then people who actually engage with the game start piecing things together and discussing it, which leads to discussion blending together until the unanimous opinion is just "trust the dog, the writing was shit now so it'll be better later!"I'd assume these people are actual falseflaggers, but I know better. Even here, Undertale/Deltarune fans are only 1 IQ above downies.
>>741959187If it feels lukewarm it will stay lukewarm. Perhaps you'll also be mad seeing the secret boss.
>>741952546I'm honestly just sick of being strung along like this. This was a whole chapter of literal anime filler that doesn't advance the plot. Given that Weird Route Chapter 5 lasts 10 minutes and says "To be continued in Chapter 7" It really means that Toby unironically expects to>Introduce Gaster>Introduce Gaster for anyone not in tune with the ARG bullshit>Reveal the Knight's identity>Explain Gaster and the Knight's motivations>Explain Kris' motivations>Explain what happened "That Horrible Day">Explain why people think it's Asgore's fault.>Explain Dess>Explain Rudy>Explain Carol>Explore the bunker>Explain Kris and their relation to the soul>Explain the vessel>Explain Ralsei true originAll within chapter 7.The whole "Reveal everything at the end" worked for Undertale given how short (and complete) it is. But Deltarune is episodic and has gone on for basically 8 years and counting.At some point you need to give SOME kind of information about what the hell is going on.
When I heard we were entering through the back door I thought we would enter a conspiracy sub world with darkness surrounding us.
>Toby's afraid of having a story have weight, emotion, stakes and consequences>Constantly brings back dead characters>Zero reprocussions for any bad actions taken>Can't stop making every character into a jokeIs Toby Fox the Oda of the indie game scene?
>>741952546Yeah, Deltarune chapter 1 is the only chapter that felt like Undertale because there wasn't any fan service or pandering to the fandom. Chapter 1 was Toby's true artistic vision. Then chapter 2 came and I noticed there was something off with Chapter 2 but it wasn't anything too bad.Then chapter 3 came and yeah it's over dude.FennekinFox326's video on chapter 3 & 4 goes in full detail on why these chapters weren't as good as chapter 1 and Undertale.
Deltarune Ch1 is the superior piece of writing compared to every other thing Toby made before and after. Having 7 chapters was a huge mistake, it should have been 3.
>>741960030Why would Weird Route have to explain all of that? The idea is that it's an alternate route to be played alongside the main route and assumes you've done the main route first. It can and probably will do a completely different last chapter
>>741960030i mean i kinda agree on this but i think we will get to experience half of the answers in WR and the other half in NR. It's the most logical thing to do atp
>>741960252>>741960276This is what I've been saying for years but the trannies that treat Toby Fox like a God think chapter 1 is the worst one, goes to show the media literacy and IQ of the average deltarune fan
>>741960030Whatever the route it's going to be>GasterWill not be revealed at all>Kris motivationdess>dessincident>that horrible daywill not be explained further >asfore faultwill no tbe explained further>rudy/carolnot explained further>bunkershort >Kris and soulImplied stuff but nothing explained clealry>vesselwill appear>ralseiimplied
>>741960030Don't forget! There's also including, but not limited to,>Explain Sans>Explain Papyrus>Explain Asriel>Explain what happened to Onion>Explain Hometown and whether or not it's some kind of simulation/limited reality where there's literally nothing outside of it and the depths beneath (and thus, whether or not Asriel actually even exists beyond a concept that was implanted into everyone's brains)
>>741956227undetale is consistently juvenile by writing standards, many of its biggest fans were literal children or teenagers when it came out, hence the endless glazing
>>741953546the entire story of undertale was just meandering until the last 2 hours of the game where it lore dumps everything.
>>741960014you know that feeling when you know something is gonna get enshitified, and then it does?
>>741957140
>playing chapter 5
>>741960030You're kidding yourself if you think Toby will provide a satisfying answer to any of those question, there is a decade worth of built up expectations behind all of this, he's going to let your mind do all the work. The ending is allegedly based on a fever dream so it'll just end up being an incoherent mess, It's all going to be left up to your interpretation. I should have known the IMAGINE bullshit in the 10th anniversary of UT was a giant red flag
>>741960424>>741960439you seriously think toby is gonna explain any of those things instead of just writing more susie and noelle yuri? lmao
>>741960421Welp, add that to the list of things that trannies ruin. What the fuck, man.
>>741960552no, my post was saying he'll explain the bare minimum and keep the gaster and other interesting stuff up in the air for "interpretaton" or whatever he was saying in the 10th anniversary stream
>>741957179the people that like it don't engage with any social media is what i'm seeing, twitter hates it, 4chan hates it.
>>741958513>5 yearstoby literally said chapter 6 is coming in 2027 and that development is so good they are already working on chapter 7, the game is going to be done in 2 years
>greyed out yellow Nigga is the vessel ahaha hope you like your vessel being a nothingburger :)
>>741952546>great meta critique on video games in generalSaid great meta critique being "w-what if monsters... were morally grey???"The weird route alone is more engaging than undertale ever was.
>>741959978>Genuinely, it's been like this for every chapter release.>which leads to discussion blending together until the unanimous opinion is just "trust the dog, the writing was shit now so it'll be better later!"Did we play the same game? I think your point is madly reductionist since the very reason everyone was hyped about for Chapter 5 was because Chapter 3 and 4 were worth our time and investment. I mean the common sentiment I vouch for myself is Chapter 4 was groundbreaking in terms that it made me and many anons actually care about the journey of Kris, Susie and Ralsei which as a medium is practically the turning point whether a story is good or not. In a way caring about the main cast, like actually being emotionally invested in those little guys just doing well in the end is worth over schizo bosses despite me very much being a schizofag. It just is Chapter 5 shits down everyone's with having the very cast many here cared about being cucked by Suselle which by really any writing metric is abyssmal dogshit, chapter being nothing but a filler rehash of old stuff as there is fucking nothing Chapter 5 does that Chapter 3 didn't do, and the secret boss being the insult to the secret bosses finally.
>>741960030all of this is literally just 2 plot points which is>gaster (meta game stuff)>dess (the in world mystery of the game)but you are extrapolating it and acting like none of this connects and they need to be handled individually.
>>741960509
>Normal Route4 > 2 > 3 > 1 > 5>Weird Route5 = 2 > SWORD > 4>Final Boss3 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 1>Secret boss3 (Knight) > 2 = 4 > 3 (Eram) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5
Such retarded shit>We now know less of who Susie was than before.
>>741960889I'd switch 3 and 5 for final boss as flowery was more fun than tenna for me but based list
>>741952546Why can't you just call the game bad like I don't get why Deltarune decriers have to fucking do a fucking septuple flip and all these mental gymnastics to justify hating a game which I know is shit even if I personally like it.
>>741961010ok but why can you call something you like good
>>741960754that could only mean two possible things:1) 6 & 7 are incredibly short and disappointing just to get it done with Deltarune2)6 is basically mucho texto with a shitload of explanations and 0 gameplay. Like some sort of flashback and/or "people who know" characters yapping uncontrollably about what happened that day. 7 is the final showdown with the last few explanations and much more gameplay. Either way it will be extremely anti climatic and done with zero build up. Deltarune is gone. Face it. 7 chapters aren't enough, unless the conclusion was so premeditated and clear from the beginning that 7 will be huge and will contain more than "one side". Like two chapters in one or even an 8th chapter.
>>741960889I liked 5 over 1 at least.
>>741961069chapter 1 trough 4 are good
>>741961120>6 is basically mucho texto with a shitload of explanations and 0 gameplayso like 4? the chapter everyone glazes to high end, you people will never be satisfied
Is there a "proper" aborted weird route? I haven't tried it but I remember seeing people mention stuff about about a twisted sword, thorn ring, something being missable if you do things in the wrong order?
>>741960889Fuck I forgot about JevilSecond worst but nowhere near as bad as Mewmew
>>7419611206 is easier because they have a shittoon of assets of animations + no need to make a mega man zero gimmick
>people complaining about a story that isn't finished
>>741961069>Why can't you call something you like goodBecause you gotta just be real. I find it funny. Fun, on some level. The whole experience is actually pretty interesting.But the last chapter is really just comically fucking bad like Jesus fuck. Even if I was to do some kind of mental arithmetic to fucking justify any of that shit I'd just rather not. I feel bad for normal route enjoyers.
>>741958138Breaking it down clue style, it'll be Susie (the boss), in the police station (she has a record and wants to destroy it before Noelle finds out), with the desperate clinging to the dark fountains because without new dark fountains, there's no new adventures.
>people complaining about a yuri that isn't finished
>people complaining about a NTR that isn't finished
>>741961319>People
>Chapter 5 of 7>It's just filler>Doesn't even start to solve any of the dozen mysteries of the plot>Toby could not even think for content for the Weird Route for this chapter, or fucking chapter 6So what is the plan here? Because Toby has a plan, right? Right?
>>741959968I'm not gonna yuck your yums. I don't think your interpretation is a shit one. It's fair to feel that way.But, to me, a LOT of shit happened. This whole chapter was a hammer pounding the message 'NOSTALGIA IS BAD'. 'ESCAPISM IS BAD'. But reality isn't any fucking better for Kris (or Noelle, on the Weird Route). Last chapter, Kris got 'locked out' (not really, he knew where the key was, but still) and his mom didn't give a shit about him. Didn't call, partying with a skeleton all night. It hurt him like a motherfucker. Wherever he was all night, he looks like a zombie. He zonks out during the festival. He's seething and sniping at Noelle basically the whole time if you let him. The Dark World is a fucking stall because Kris very likely just wanted to spend time with Susie (just the two of them, like she says in the 'walk home'). You can even see him hang his head when Susie comes out with the flowers before running off to make it.It gets even fucking worse when Asgore is revealed to know a ton of shit, is immediately supportive of Kris and tells him he's proud and how they're gonna figure shit out together - then gets instantly zapped away by the Knight. Another pillar of support gone. Then Susie shuts the fucking door in his face rather than the usual end of chapter Castle Town segment.There's something up with Susie. Kris is down lower than he's ever been before, and he's got literal poison seeds in his pocket. Noelle finally did something 'selfish' in refusing to answer Carol, and that's probably going to lead to her not being there when Rudy was hurt/dies.Ch5 is the end of whimsy for every major character. A lot happened.
>>741961419There is no plan. Half of ch5 is damage control and the other half goes nowhere
>>741961419>dozen of mysteries>it's literally just 2
>>741960621>or whatever he was saying in the 10th anniversary streamDid he seriously say that? He retconing the war between humans and monsters with Gerson made me afraid he's the kind of hack to retcon/explain shit outside the medium and that we won't get any satisfying answers until dataminers fuck with the code and sprites and I will have to watch another 2 hour lore compilation on Youtube because Toby can't write for shit.I'm fucking tired, man. I'm tired. This was the only THE ONLY piece of media I cared about but I see it's going nowhere.
>>741959557>have 90% of the fanbase be normal men acting like any normal guy playing games and insert themselves as the protagonist >shit on them for daring to do that and wanting a normal relationship, they only get cucked yurislop fetish bullshit, otherwise they're rapist murderer monsters>fans get mad and your chapters slowly get more and more hate>????>profit
Y'know outside of Jevil and The Knight, aren't the schizo bosses Shopkeepers? And honestly Ramb could be lumped as the schizo for chapter 3Jevil feels like the odd one out, since Chapter 1's shopkeeper was SeamBut Seam also seems to know too much even if he's unbothered by the Shadow Crystals.
>>741961191>so like 4?You mean the chapter where we get the cool climbing dynamic, vents adventure with the heart, three cool bosses, two dark worlds? Yeah man it was soooo boring...
Why do faggots in this game continue speaking in cryptic half-sentenced bullshit? Why is vagueshit still happening yet were still half-way through this story.
>>741961484See>>741960030>>741960439
>>741960889>>Weird Route>5 = 22 has an actual route with an actual narrative and isn't just literally a single short scene
>>741961509So Toby can have his "monsters explain the plot to Frisk" moment in Deltarune
Why do you think CH6 will take less time to arrive? If possible answer without doomfagging and going "they just dropped the ball".
>>741961419The plan is to make chapter 6 about susie and noelle killing kris and then they have sex in the castle town
>>741961468>Damage controlThe way some people just headcanon a bunch of shit to justify hating something that's already deplorable is crazy. Calling that shit "damage control" when it just gets worse and worse from beginning to end. Fucking come off it.
>>741961486He was talking about not needing to explain everything because it's more fun to imagine what's out there, like the colored gaster door and the new area, i'm pretty much convinced the gaster stuff at least will stay like that and we'll never get a proper answer
>>741961620they aren't gonna introduce any new gameplay mechanics and can just mix and match the old ones cause they are content with how much different shit they have already added.
>>741960543>IMAGINE bullshitWhat's that?
>>741961704What a fucking pathetic and lame excuse for being a shit writer>im just gonna intentionally vaguepost and you can use your imagination to fill in the gaps
>>741961704>>741961742Fucking hell, this is bleak as fuck.
>>741960363nobody is gonna play this game when it's finished lol 90% of the playerbase is playing it when each chapter drops
>>741960030>Gasterirrelevant meta theoryfag stuff>Reveal the Knight's identity>Explain Kris' motivations>Explain what happened "That Horrible Day">Explain why people think it's Asgore's fault.>Explain Dess>Explain Rudy>Explain Carolwill very likely be all related and explained in a single scene>Explore the bunker>Explain Kris and their relation to the soul>Explain the vesselthese will probably also be related and explained in a single scene. actually the vessel isn't even a part of the story and probably is just a meta thing>>741960439none of these are a part of the plot
>>741961620Because it's gonna be the "tell you the plot" chapter.BTW, heres castle town sprites for ch. 6
>>741952546>Chapter 5 was so ass people are now resorting to the “Deltarune always shit” argument Bleak
>>741956537>Is it just me or Deltarune threads are rapidly going to shit?Same thing happened in Ch4. People saw the deer "rape" and immediately tried to spin this into a le epic "Toby Fox is over" campaign. And you can see the exact same thing happening again, but with even less things to latch on to.
>>741961620>Have more assets/pixel arts ready>No need to program a whole ass mega man zero mode>Probably more story heavy so less gag shit or new gimmick
>>741960676you said twitter twice
Sometimes I feel like I am too harsh on square enix for FFVII remake when I see this shit somehow takes even longer to come out
>checking out the Aqua Knife online>Noelle can equip this blade too>she calls it nostalgicHmmmmmm
>>741952546There’s a fucked up universe out there where deltarune was released as a critically acclaimed complete package in 2015 meanwhile Undertale is Toby’s “magnum opus” that people hated mid way through due to alphdyne shilling
>>741961842Asriel is a literal constant talking point in mandatory dialogues, dipshit.
>>741961904Because chapter 5 rewrote the entire storyline. susie didnt bully kris because she had a terrible upbringing or was poor but it was because she liked noelle and thought she was already with kris despite the first 4 chapters of her not showing any signs of liking noelle
>>741953546I dont even like Undertale, haven't played deltarune, and would be willing to believe this purely because of how much faggotry and rerardation gets put out because of online "fandoms" (kys if you identify as part of one). Toby fox, even back then, struck me as the kind of guy to care about maggots like that.
There's no good reason you shouldn't have figured this out by chapter 2.
>>741962043Remember chapter 2? Kris's "sharpest jello knife" searches.
>>741960813I was there when the chapters came out and it was the same thing every time>Chapter 2>Susie doesn't feel like the same character anymore>Why is there so much focus on this yurislop?>These jokes are so unfunny and reddit>Oh, there's an edgekino route? All is forgiven, it's bad on purpose.>Chapter 3 + 4>These gameplay gimmicks are unfun and a waste of time>Why is there so much focus on this yurislop?>These jokes are so unfunny and reddit>Oh, there's hints at edgekino? All is forgiven, it's bad on purpose>Chapter 5>Susie doesn't feel like the same character anymore>Why is there so much focus on this yurislop?>These jokes are so unfunny and reddit>Oh, the edgekino route is getting even edgekinoer? All is forgiven, it's bad on purpose
>>741962043Speaking of which, is Aqua's knife the most useless weapon of the 6? It's literally outclassed by the Blackshard in any way.
>>741961742tldr is to make up your own stories and headcanon. Whatever happens in his vidya does not diminish your own interpretation, something like that.It's basically a cop out to avoid criticism when he inevitably does not stick the landing, it's so he can keep everything vague to let you piece together the nonsense on screen however you like.
>>741961793>>741961820It worked in the context of the 10th anniversary because it ws just Toby referencing the shitton of AU and stuff people were making, he basically encouraged people to keep making stuff based on his game, and that's the underground was vast so anything was possible, so you were free to imagine it however you want and that's why he neever gave definitive answer on some stuffWe don't know if this philosophy is still here for Deltarune and especially the meta gaster stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if he chickens out and just give a few hints and never even show him to us
>>741961704>i'm pretty much convinced the gaster stuff at least will stay like that and we'll never get a proper answerthis. people still have to understand that Gaster serves as the "time is convoluted" trick for Toby. The character is and will always be an implied entity but never properly explained so all the shit that doesn't make sense will result in "Gaster did it".
>the only old theories with additional ammunition are FemKris and RudyKnightDamn, it's like the episode didn't even come out.
>>741956791Anon you literally couldn't get away with putting these depictions in an Adult Swim cartoon today.
>>741962128It's a weapon slot item that gives 2 defenseBeing as you're probably never going to actually swing the weapon on normal route, it giving 2 def makes it best in slot
>>741962128Who cares Aqua needs to live on in my inventory
>>741962053>duuuude they mentioned him he must be a part of the grand conspiracy >everything is connected you see!!!he's irrelevant as a character. his relationship with kris and dess are important, asriel himself isn't. and it's likely that he won't show up until the very end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVRuhhjXyQg
>>741962226>RudyKnightRudy knight got killed because he's fucking dead.
>>741962117Like we say every single fucking time.Chapter 1 is the only good chapter of Deltarune because it was Toby's true vision of Deltarune.Chapter 2 is when the writing took a nosedive in quality.Then chapter 3... yeah it's over dude. You can't come back after chapter 3.
>>741962226>DessKnight lost points because the unused dialogue implies she's completely eroding into nonexistence>at this point it's going to be a contest to see who wants to out-martyr who by becoming The Girl between all three heroes so the others don't have to die (but will probably end with all three dying anyway because they're too far up their own asses at this point)big kekkings if i do say so myself
>>741962380nope
>>741952546While that's true, which is why I wouldn't call Deltarune a masterpiece in the same way I would Undertale, it's still a good game. I enjoyed it so far. I remember when chapter 1 came out, I was very disappointed with it, which is why I stopped following the series for a while. When chapters 3 and 4 came out, I was tricked into thinking that the whole game was out, so I bought it and I played through what was out at the time. I got invested in it, even though I don't think it was at all as intellectually interesting as Undertale was. It's also possible, that somewhere between the release of chapters 3 + 4 and 5 I might have unwittingly turned into a bit of a Toby Fox sycophant. I wasn't really paying attention to the game or the discussion around it. I was playing other stuff in the mean time. I'm making this observation, because when I played chapter 5 over the past few days, I loved it, even though I recognize, that it has the exact same big picture problems, that irked me about the previous chapters. So I dunno. Make of that what you will.
>>741962410>>DessKnight lost points because the unused dialogue implies she's completely eroding into nonexistenceCould you show it to me? I think I missed that.
BUYTHEMERCHagainCHAPTER 5 OUT NOW
>trannies join writing team>game is now shitImagine my surprise.
>>741962512
Man. That weird route sequence really did feel like I was fucking the doe raw with all the handholding and name screaming leading into a gradual whiteout. Maybe the retards who thought actual physical rape happened were on to something.
>>741962043Serious question but were Noelle and Berdly intended to be a part of this chapters dark world adventure? Because everything from ralsei’s comments, to the unused dialogue, to how chapter 4 ended seemed to imply this
>>741962303>he's irrelevant as a character except for being the most important thing to the main character and the tragic inciting incident character and he won't show up until the most dramatic point of the storyyes obviously that all means he's not important to the story in any way, kind of reminds me of a minor character called Asriel from an old game called Undertale, that dude didn't figure into the plot at all.
>>741961486>This was the only THE ONLY piece of media I cared aboutlol
>>741962418Explain Weird Route Rudy already down the stairs, where he obviously didn't fall down, and is clearly getting more and more exasperated.
>>741952546>proceeded it.
>>741962380He's still alive though, we see he injured his leg in the Weird Route. Much like The Knight's injury.
>>741952546>writing all of this just because you're made that Kris is a kek
>>741962531there's nobody else but Toby credited for writing
>>741962674Where does he mention his leg? He's just kneeling on the floor.
>>741962738When is he coming out?
>>741962531>literally had a whole twitter arc of toby being called racist cause he refused to translate the game in languages he doesn't know>but somehow his writing is compromisedyou are delusional
>>741962738
>>741962747Look at The Knight man. He literally was struggling to stand up, had to resort to an ambush to get Asgore's ass as far away as he could.
>>741962226RudyKnight lost aura after the ladder incident and FemKris is doomed to be a shitty troon allegory
>>741952546>No consistent themeI mean, I argue "traditional family bad, LGBTQ+ good" is a very consistent theme. An insufferable one, absolutely , but it's consistent.
They call him 007>0 satisfying answers >0 weird route content>7 Hours of Suselle scenes
>>741961419Genocide route skipped Hotlands and everything until the core.Makes sense it would be a time skip to what is maybe the last chapter.I would not put past him to announce Chapter 8 because he is a mother 3 fan.If anything I am happy I get to lord over you faggots the fact that a 3rd route exists.Who is laughing now, fuckers.I just want to gather all the best items obtained through fights so FRISK solo's the big bad and makes his own ending, obtains his own FREEDOM.Fuck YOU Chara
>>741962606Grim.Not grim because DessKnight got debunked.Grim because Toby is using datamining/ARGs to tell his fucking story instead of SHOWING IT IN THE GOD DAMN VIDEOGAME HE'S BEEN MAKING FOR 8 YEARS AND BEEN ON THE BACK OF HIS MIND SINCE 2011. AND THIS IS SOMEHOW THE BEST WAY TO TELL IT ACCORDING TO HIS PUTRID ROTTEN NIGGERFAGGOT BRAIN.
>>741962836>look at the knight Nah bitch, I'm talking about Rudy, not the Knight who hit their head on the wall at Mach 7.
>>741952546>game where you literally pet the “doggo” [sic] to end the battleI liked Undertale but the cringeworthy parts really detract from the good parts. Same with Deltarune.
>tfw autistically going back through the chapters to do both aborted ch2 and ch4 seperately to see what differences might be for both in ch5i wish i wasn't on console so i could just edit the saves
>>741962814Toby wasn't racist, he's just a lazy fucking cunt who is pretentious enough to think that if his shit game is translated by others they'll "distort the message" (even though he changes his mind on the plot every chapter so who cares) but doesn't want to learn spanish so he won't translate itHe is absolutely a megawoke faggot who gets off to cuckoldry and yurifaggotry though and if you like his games you are equally mentally ill.
>>741962738>>741962828The estrogen made him retarded he cant write good stories or compose good music anymore
>BTFO's deltatroon fans
>>741962828you're forgetting he probably sweared total loyalty to israel
>>741961610Correct.But the content of that one scene to me beat everything else in the weird route.
>>741962636the side b twist is probably doing that with those two with time travel
>>741962117I can't believe there's someone else who can remember more than a month ago in the thread
>>741963007>pretentiousanyone that uses this word is a pseud
>>741962910>>7 Hours of Suselle scenesThats gonna be chapter 6 btw
>>741952546>>741956735>>741960541>>741961419>>741962673Am I the only one that never got the appeal for either?>LOOK IT'S QUIRK CHUNGUS CHARACTER!>LOOK IT'S ANOTHER QUIRK CHUNGUS!>AIN'T WE RANDUMB? EKS DEE>LOOK, BULLET HELL AND PLATFORMING SECTIONS THAT AREN'T AS HARD AS ACTUAL GOOD BULLET HELL AND PLATFORMING GAMES SO IT'S A WEIRD HALF-ASSED WATERED DOWN VERSION!To this day, I don't see what the hype is about. If many of the characters weren't furries no one would care. Even the "dark mature" writing zoomers used to brag about is not really as dark and mature as many other rpgs. Toby Fox games feel like the "all style no substance" meme.
Did anyone else feel like Chapter 5 was really heavy with the meme humor? Like Chapter 2 was all about the internet and I think they did it less there, and when they did it was mostly obscure autistic shit like a YouTube poop from 2010. Definitely feels like a B team handled most of this because I feel like Toby Fox’s sense of humor is a little better than family guy death pose and “beat you with hammers” which are very specifically western Twitter artist memes.
>>741962973>Grim because Toby is using datamining/ARGs to tell his fucking story>the game literally about being video game characters inside of a game is using video game files to tell parts of it's story>anons will get angry at this
>>741956791>Lala fruity homos that molest children>WokeAnon, I...
>>741962128I think the fact it becomes a petal in the Light World might at least give it 1 referential use
>>741962973ARG cryptic shit has been a staple of indie games since forever.
The Deltarune threads last night were pretty good and had lots of anons making cool theories about the Knight and the Weird Route and shit. I went to bed and woke up and now the threads are full of people saying Toby is a hack and the game sucks and something something something "trannies!!".What happened?
>>741963118even calling UT/DR a "bullet hell" is like calling everything under the sun a roguelikea way for insecure games journalists to latch on to a subgenre which at the time was seen as hardcore, only for the term to become meaningless
>>741963175>Did anyone else feel like Chapter 5 was really heavy with the meme humor?Not any more than other chapters, no. It was just your regular Toby Fox quirk chungus slop.
>>741963267Americans woke up before you.
>>741963267its a rule that nightly threats are good threads. i LITTERALY posted a pic of castle town shop sprites in ch6 from files and no one gave a shit.
>>741952546Deltarune and undertale, just like the final fantasy series, were carried by the soundtrack
>>741963097It's a truke though. Toby thinks himself really clever when his games are the RPG equivalent of modern Five Nights at Freddys, with shit mysteries that won't be resolved and constant retcons to allow him to write whatever he wants with no regard for consistency. But then people will act like he's some fucking genius because he made a game where the mechanics in the first ten minutes of creating your character are fucking worthless which is apparently revolutionary or something.
>>741963267Discussion started devolving pretty heavily once people started sharing a webm with that one cafe scene with Seth talking about gender identity. That basically gave all the /vpol/ schizos the ammo they needed
>>741963267Time happened.
>>741963118why the fuck did you spoiler text your entire opinion?
All you hipsters have terrible taste in media.
Kinda late at this point but was anyone else disappointed that we didn't get a rotating party of townies each chapter? At least that's the expectation that Ch2 set for me.
>>741963373Fuck off tourist
>>741960030You're supposed to play the normal route alongside the weird one. Some of the reveals will happen in the normal route, while other reveals will happen in the weird route. You're a fool if you think all the answers will be centralized in one route.
>>741963361>nooooo the artist should just think less of himself and his work to appease me!
>>741963267It's the usual honeydoom syndrome where people are still huffing farts that their own unrealistic expectations weren't met this chapter.There's a lot to be disappointed about on a more reasonable level, but the current fumes means everyone's at full aggression until something else warrants their anger more.
>>741963412You can just ask for it if you're that desperate
>>741963427Yes faggot, when you make a game in chapters because you want to make more money than you deserve by exploiting hype then you best try to appeal to your audienceOtherwise release it all at once and don't try to bait random bullshit, basically what any sort of based dev with any balls would have done
>>741962072Much like TADC, I am glad I did not give Toby a single fucking dime.
>>741957179youtubers are shitting on itsteam forums is shitting on it V is shitting on itWhere exactly do people like this game? Reddit? Discord?
>>741955178the Ralsei plush showing up not just once, but twice made me realize toby is a jew or the jews at fangamer took away his soul with a paycheck and by letting toby do the self-aggrandizing anniversary streams
>>741963427if he just wanted to express what he wanted then why does he sell it?
>>741963427...yes? It's not selling the game to himself, isn't he?
>>741963508you are not owed a translations, if toby doesn't want a translation he can't personal vet then that's perfectly in his right to do so
>>741952546I am slowly being convinced that Toby is just Scott but woke in everyone has gaslit themselves with their own theories and headcanons meanwhile Toby has no idea where this is going and is just vaugeposting as long as possible until some schizo gives him the solution. My only hope for the normal route is fucking psyop theory cope and even then that’d just be course correcting from chapter 5 and it’d STILL need to juggle all the already established bullshit in a satisfying way. Fucking hell this is my first time watching a fanbase implode from the inside.
>>741963414>You're a fool if you think all the answers will be centralized in one route.Anon, the average player that doesn't browse the fandom religiously probably doesn't even know about the weird route. There is no way he locks important story content behind an hidden route.
it's impossible that anyone disliked this chapter. they are just agents from the orange man and mecha hitler
Post Spamton jacking it
>>741952546I wouldn't dunk on it even half as hard as you did.There are several good moments in Chapter 5, the music is on point as always and Flowery's boss fight theme is great, the new gameplay is a decent gimmick, and I do like the general idea of interacting with the Flowers even if some of them make things drag (Flowery carries the group).But, the chapter has a lot of poorly done oh-so-quirky-meme humor and writing that just doesn't land and the story dragging out a plot that basically serves as filler until the last twenty minutes is a bit much. Also, the Pink fight being the shadow crystal boss is lame since, out of all secret bosses she has the least connection that what's going on in her respective chapter. Undertale had its quirky humor, yeah, but it was also something that was "itself" rather than a reference factor, despite its clear influences and occasional references. For Deltarune, it seems like Toby and whoever the hell he gets to proofread his script (if at all) keeps leaning harder into the fandom and cheap reference side of things. We'll see how things go in Chapter 6 since there should basically be no way Toby can keep dragging the actual story out due to what happened to Asgore. As for the humor, maybe he'll cut down on the references.Also, is anyone else just not interested in the Noelle x Susie thing Toby keeps pushing? It feels like cheap fanfiction. It was pretty awkward in Chapter 2, but I figured Toby would have gotten better at writing it but it just seems to get cornier and cornier. It's funny because he does a pretty good job of selling Kris/Ralsei/Susie/Lancer's friendship and platonic relationships in general, but all of his onscreen romances suck. Offscreen ones, he's ok at. He either needs help to ignore the person helping him and find someone that doesn't prowl AO3 for a living.
>>741956380the normies are currently gaslighting each other, where the super autists are attacking anyone who says anything other than "OMG I LOVED THIS"
>>741956735>Acting is useless on Genocidwrong you use act until their name is yellow then you hit them for a 1-hit ko. it feels great.
If Kris and Noelle swapped roles at the lake, would Kris's face sprites look more like Toriel or Asgore?
you know maybe the beaners were right to mock Toby…
>>741963515>unironically using the fucking Steam forums as evidence of anything
>>741963118deltarune fans are just steven universe fans, same progressive alphabet people that think being a tranny is a personality
>>741963530>>741963559literally what does selling it have to do with anything? just because he is selling a fucking video game doesn't mean he has to listen to any faggots on how said video game should be. you literally do not apply this logic with books or movies, you have some weird infatuation with wanting deltarune to be yours and not tobys
>>741960424>>that horrible day>will not be explained furtherI'd shit and piss my pants if this were the case
>>741963567Scott wanted to stop at FNaF3/4 (he had a concrete story planned) and it was fan pressure that brought him backThen he sold the franchise to SW and regardless of what he says hasn't really given two fucks since then and is focusing on his family which is why all SW games are a disasterMeanwhile Toby is genuinely that incompetent and has no clue what he's doing since it's just fetish fanfiction turned into a boring Earthbound parody with ARGslop over it
Just realized that I think I forgot to do the breaks after beating PINK
>>741963615I've been seeing even some Suselle shippers be like "y'know I didn't really like how Susie acted this chapter, a bit out of character" and they get a bunch of replies going like "erm sweaty thats just how a teenager in love realistically acts so its actually good"
>>741963575God forbid that a player is rewarded for going out of their way to find hidden shit in a game.
>>741959372Homophobic? Na you’re just heterophobic, staring at my jeans watching my genitals bulging, that’s my motherfucking balls you better let go of them, they belong in my scrotum you’ll never get hold of them!
>>741963694if we paid for it, we have the right to call it shit right. it's a media product.
>>741963267Dude, the game turned to shit in chapter 3. If you are invested in the incoherent mess of a story that deltarune is post-chapter 2, you are an idiot.
>tfw someone makes a story mod for deltarune when this shitshow finally comes out and it’s better received than the actual ending
>>741963581if you consider real human beings german and american faggots who only need their LGBTQ agenda filled and care zero fucks about the plot, characters, music and gameplay then yes, there also people who enjoyed it.
>>741963683anon told me everyone but us likes this placesteam doesnt like itso what the fuck do you want from me?I havent seen positive coverage anywhere so far
When the fuck do these games get good? I remember streaming Undertale for my cousin but it just devolved to us verbally eviscerating the game for its unfunny writing and mid gameplay.
>>741963776calling it shit is not the same as saying the game should appease me personally and you know that
>>741952546>Author says "this is the story I always wanted to write">Turns out to be complete shitIt's going to happen with that new game the "Look Outside" guy is playing btw
Noone cares about your shipping or theoriesI want to fuck Seth in the mouth
>>741963782That's Undertale Yellow.
>>741963390Deltarune is inspired by:>Mother 1>Breath of Fire 2>Live Alive>Punch out>Zelda 1>MegaMan Zero>Brandish>LunarHow would you qualify his taste?
>>741963023Looks like I owe fennekin fox an apology
>>741963781C4 salvaged the filler-fiesta that was C3 - they should've done the same here and held off releasing this vapid segment by itself
>>741963804>steam doesnt like it97% of the recent Steam reviews are positive though?
>>741963694>you literally do not apply this logic with books or moviesIt's done with everything you subhuman tardGuess what happened with the Star Wars Disneyslop when fans didn't like it? It crumbled and died and everyone's shitting and laughing at it and nobody gives a fuck what Dave Filoni wantsSame with Harry Potter with the new HBO showYou are the anomaly here who treats Toby like more than he is, once you sell a product you appeal to the audience or face the consequences like a man
>>741963175The mouse pointer guy in Castle Town references "Dress to Impress", a Roblox game for tweens that was popular like 2 years ago, which made me pause and put my head in my hands for a couple of seconds.It's like when Noelle was making references to being "sus" and "venting" in Chapter 4 years after Among Us was popular. Feels very "how do you do fellow young people?"
>>741952546Huh
>>741957145chapter 5 sucked all of the ambition to think about the game more deeply from my body. toby fox has flipped me off too much
>>741963861>Yellowyou mean the incompetent gay cowboy who wants to kill himself?
>>741963118>>741963267Someday /v/ will realize that this trannycore genre was never good.
>>741963861Undertale Yellow is pure dogshit man stop huffing copium
If I hated Undertale for its mediocre gameplay and and vomit inducing writing, there's no chance I'll enjoy deltarune right?
>>741957548nothing.fake cryptic shit to make you onions
>>741953298chapter 2 and 4 were amazing, chapter 1 was interesting, and chapter 3 while flawed, had the knight fight which was amazing and made me think the difficulty coming up was going to be quality difficulty, not the trash we got in ch 5s fights.
>Gay furry tranny game 9000 gets a new chapter >"WTF THIS IS GAY AND FURRY AND TRANNY!??!?!?!?">"I'M MAD!" -/v/
>>741963883C4 was still pretty bad thoebeit.
>>741964002The gameplay for Deltarune is vastly better and it mixes it up with other genres of games at times like Zelda, punch out and MegaMan Zero
Deltarune is just not fun to play, I don't care about all this other shit you're all sperging about. It's just not a fun videogame.
>>741963515Joel loves it.
>>741958740ie, look at reddit is what u mean where theyre hugboxxing despite a lot of the normies there actually not liking it.
>>741963815It peaked at Chapter 2.
>>741956190>barebones platforming without damage from falling off the stage into holes, and fights that are so easy you can just swing wildly while susie-ing everythign over and over again for easy no effort winsthe platforming was a low point of this chapter and I say that as someone who's favorite genre is 2d platforming.
>>741963841>appease me personallythere's way more than a single person upset at the filler, toby
>>741964026>implying any games nowadays aren't gay and furry and troonyunfortunately any based game gets shut down by the alphabet mafia.
>>741963508In retrospect theyre not so different after all...
>>741964097No, it peaked at Chapter 1. It was Toby's true vision. Chapter 2 was when the quirky random "funny" humor started.Yet Deltatroon fans think chapter 1 is the worst chapter.
>>741964002deltarune has much better gameplay and later chapters look really fucking good at times. the writing is still mostly the same cringy shit, even worse sometimes
>>741964090>Zelda, punch out and MegaMan Zerothat just sounds like a mess. I want mechanical depth, not shallow homages.
>>741963815Both Undertale and Deltarune actively rely on you being endeared to the characters to get any mileage out of. Chapter 5 thought it would be a really funny idea to make Suselle feel as NTR coded as possible so now a large chunk of the fanbase hates two of the major characters losing the main appeal of the game
>>741963861the ending of yellow is the one thing that people most consistently agree is fucked about itbut>>741963995this anon is still a retarded faggot because of how much of yellow was still good.
>>741952546The most soulless kike games ever. I miss when games were good.
>>741964198>No, it peaked at Chapter 1.Imagine having such horrendous takes when Chapter 1 is so shit and such a slog to get through.
>>741964140Fighting in all chapters makes the game easier in general. Pacifist ch. 5 is absolutely the hardest in terms of basic enemies in my experience.
>>741959968It 100% is built to theory bait, and then the game flips you off during the next chapter for thinking about the game. Thats why im feeling the same, theres no reason to try and 'think' about the game. If anything thats just excusing bad writing. I see whats in the game, and thats it. All of this 'fan theorizing' is just doing Toby's work for him without getting paid
what are the odds that people will play 6 and 7 despite 5 almost killing the game?Do you think people will submit and play the yuri shit anyway or will be based and simply watch the plot on yt?
>>741963870basic jrpg fan outside of brandish. BoF2 isn't even the best BoF. live a live is mostly mediocre outside the robot and gunslinger chapter.
>>741957179>what’s with vee and seething about chapter 5Sorry I didn't like your NTR game, Toby.
>>741964267I'm talking about the platforming where you are supposed to attack the "bullet patterns" like breaking the glasses. and even then if you are supposed to avoid the glasses attacks but never break them, it's still easy because the patterns are lame as hell.also the patterns are harder in chapter 5 for battles in general but not in a good way. it relies more on object spam rather than slick but aggressive attacks like the knight had in chapter 3. it's a downgrade all around.
>>741964220You do get that but don't go in expecting anything but the secret bosses to put up a challenge up until chapter 5 (imo)The demo for chapter 1 and 2 is free so try it out yourself
>>741964197>|| Yandev ||>Didn't finish his game and has been milking it for years> || Toby ||>Didn't finish his game and has been milking it for years>Fagggot who's into yurislopI'd argue one has less flaws.
>>741960424that fucking sucks lmfao but classic toby fox writing. >Im making it vague and mysterious because uhhh...because uhh... ITS DEEP!! OK! Not because i don't know how to actually write the ideas I have! le heckin imagine it, just like u imagine this is a good game
>>741952546Before Chapter 5 threads like these would be mocked but I wonder if anyone agreed with the OP nowadays.
>>741964309I was gonna play the rest regardless. I still enjoyed the chapter despite it making Susie an asshole and not enough plot reveals. It actually felt like a fucking game for once and not a point and click-spoof
>>741964210>the writing is still mostly the same cringy shit, even worse sometimesyeah, I'm out then. I played undertale recently 'for the culture' and I had a hard time get through it because of how badly I hated the writing.
>>741963267People who got the game for free finally finished playing it.
>>741964197YanDev didn't have any supporting fanbase so his retardation, bad code and fetishes all were rightfully shat on. Troony Fox has got a whole cult of worshippers ready to defend his ugly ass at any second.
>>741964259Kill yourself tranny nigger. Chapter 1 had a coherent story, compelling characters, an antagonist that made sense, an ending that made Ralsei realize that sometimes violence is the only answer, good character arcs, and all that without the gay fandom pandering fan-service dogshit that's in chapters 2-5. Kill yourself.
>>741964386>the retcon that destroyed the game
turn the anthro characters into humans, and all the fake popularity for this game dissolves into nothing. that's how surface-level and hollow this is.
>>741964413>|| ||faggot shitposter is a discord troon as expected, embarrassing.
>>741963267I just found it came out because I got a notif for the OST. Everyone just shut the fuck up about this chapter
>>741952546>Undertale's characters were sooooo much better and more consistent than Deltarune'sI know what you really think.You like the characters in Undertale because you had more power over them. What you miss isn't "better written" characters, but a game where you felt like all the fun and wacky shit was happening because you chose to go to the next guy and not because the next guy wanted it to happen.Jacking off the fandom constantly would be giving the players their EBIN FIREGRAVES in chapter 3, or to go back even further, making the game a genocide simulator past chapter 1. It would be more Undertale wank, and specifically Undertale wank about you "derailing" the game at that.What you want is another game all about how you have so much more power than the video game characters to express that power difference the exact same way Undertale did. It's fine to enjoy feeling powerful, but you shouldn't engage in such dishonesty to argue in favor of it.
>>741964413actual fucking newfag spotted in the wild holy fuck
>>741957179>what’s with vee and seething about chapter 5
>>741964274the fan theorizing is just part of the mystery box. the entire point is to farm fan engagement without bothering to make a coherent plot with it. we already know the idea is that deltarune is just a game/simulation, so people who wanted the plot to matter are just gonna get toby's best impression of david lynch scenes
>>741963861I say this as a yellowfag, shut the fuck up. You know damn well the initial yellow threads were all talking about how they fumbled major plot points and story beats just to make it The Ceroba Show.>Ceroba taking over the final areas of the game, has the most dialogue out of any character because you can get unique dialogue out of almost every room you walk in with her>Set up Ceroba's daughter as someone important, never do anything with her. Just handwave away that she might be okay.>Set up Ceroba at all to being a good person after effectively killing her own daughter>Set up Chujin to be making a special Boss Monster serum that proved to be incomplete, but theoretically possible>Set up Chujin to be directly targeting Martlet, the final boss of Genocide, likely for compatibility reasons with the serum>Martlet instead injects herself with Alphys' fucking Determination serum that she stole instead, robbing that entire plot point of any weightI could go on, but I don't want to distract any harder from Deltarune in this thread. Just shut your dumb fucking mouth.
>>741964487>RetconAND LAST, WAS THE GIRL.AT LAST, WAS THE GIRL.
>>741964517Do you think I was trying to spoiler? Fucking kill yourself retard, that was just my own way to mark them.
>>741963267People were calling the game shit last night alongside the people that were calling the game good. you're just a retard that lacks concept permanence. Everything you describe was there, alongside people shitting on the chapter.
>>741964575As a matter of fact, I am! Total faggot death please, normal people want normal videogames again
>>741964398Oh, then I disagree. I loved those sections because it fully embraces itself as SPM esque platformer, unlike the half assed rpg aspect of the game. It's easy but the controls are still tight enough to make it fun and satisfying.
>>741964514let's admit this is partially true. It's like witnessing frieren being called "peak of anime". lmfao just remove the cute ladies and it becomes even more forgettable than seasonal anime
>>741964386I HATE THIS SHIT
>Fine, Kris, I'll tell you everything.>OOOOOOOOH it was so terrible. That terrible day with its terribleness. I would explain more, but it's so terrible it leaves me speechless. OOOOOOOOOH>So yeah, that's what happened.
>>741964514TRVKE
>>741963782Honestly considering how autistic kriselle and Krusiebros are I would not be surprised if that happens if chapter 5 is the new baseline
>>741964638this nigga has a typing quirk
Do you think Toby cut down weird route content because of the rape and Doe pussy jokes?
>>741956537>Is it just me or Deltarune threads are rapidly going to shit?>And it's shit here too...Suselle being canon always meant Deltarune threads would die here.
>>741964095>Hasn't played it yesterdayNuh uh
>>741964638>attempting to save face>by saying he has a quirky typing styleGo back discord troon.
>>741954771really wondering where the mechanics go in the next two chapters, i kind of want there to be a 3d section (platformer?) but that might be asking for too much
>>741964514This just proves Deltarune was never good. It's no different than gacha games, it's just propped up by horny subhumans
>>741964676were you ever legitimately surprised by a twist villain in anything? it should be painfully obvious what happened and you don't need it spelled out for you
>>741964514I mean I’d rape human noelle
>>741964667we are in the>attractive/well designed characters are actually le badphase of deltarune threads now i guess
>>741964562Deltarune chapter 1 started off pretty strongly, but throughout the years the characters become less compelling and well-written. So OP's point is still valid.
>>741964706How was I supposed to mark them without them merging into the list of qualities?>>741964774Just say that you don't know how to write something without it looking like shit.
>>741964514Toby’s unironically planning to do that but towards his faggot audience by making ralsei trans
>>741964473You seem upset.
>>741964514/thread
>>741964706made me audibly laugh kek
This guy liked the new chapter.
>>741959171>There is literally nothing exceptional about Chapter 5 other than >>Japanand even that is thematically weak. it makes no sense for the location to be japan, and it's just a generic japanese castle as opposed to being a japanese festival (you know, the thing that was happening at the beginning of the chapter??)
>>741964665funny, I also found SPM to be extremely boring. The controls are the bare minimum to make a platformer acceptable, but like SPM, the stage design does nothing, it's just winding directions outside of one single one of the platforming challenges which is resolved really quickly, and the game puts the only good mechanic it has on autopilot.instead of making it fun and satisfying, it makes it feel pointless, like victory is a foregone conclusion unrelated to any skill built up from playing.
>>741964668The fact that you could post Deltratroon in AO3 and it would fit every other dysgenic manchild fanfic in the site ever KEKEKEK
>>741964785Bro Asgore didn't even tell us where or when the incident happened (just "long time ago"). He was so vague it's comical.
>>741964825>well designedKEKW
>>741964847anon i know this may be you first time using 4chan but you can green text and then press enter to start a new line
>>741961619Despite everything, this is still your big heckin gay chungus life
It was over right in the first joke of the chapter>No way you are going to actually, literally going to do this hecking RANDOM action for no reason at all??That was actual marvel humor. I felt a sense of impending doom.
>>741964259THIS FAG LIKES YURI AND NTR
>>741963782>Deltarune: DetroonedMake it happen.
>>741964562>i LOVE feeling powerless!! die
>>741964876Thanks Communist Trans Terrorist>>741964941>still arguing with the troon over a fucking typing quirkHoly fuck you retards deserve all of these trannies coming to this board since you can't even fucking ignore them
>>741961704its all one big ad for cheap fangamer toys at the end of the day
>>741964956What a conclusion you jumped to
>>741964845>Deltarune chapter 1 started off pretty stronglyI couldn't disagree more. It was such a let down. I had massive expectations coming into it from Undertale and I wasn't impressed at all. But the later chapters were better. I think it's still by far the weakest chapter of the whole game, which kinda sucks for the game, since you'd ideally want it to start on a high note to hook the players in.
>>741958513seriously this shit is so stupid why not just release it all at once? replaying this will be a nightmare in terms of how the tone shifts
>>741964876You have to be mentally retarded like that abomination to enjoy this chapter
>>741964876>41% squadmate telling others to an hero
>>741964668how does he change his race in every fucking photo? how does he do it? hes a fucking lizard person i swear
>>741961884Chapter 6 will be you exploring the Castle in Castle Town.
>>741964941Why do you care so much how I decide to mark my fucking text? Is anyone not following the same template a newfag to you retards? Genuinely hop off 4 channel dot org and go outside.
>>741963860Cute nerd girl made for avian/human penis.Was anyone surprised that she knows who Berdly is? How does that work?
>>741964845You likely only think this because we knew less at the time of ch1 when you were forming your impressions of it. If you went back and re-evaluated ch1 through the lens of "I am not going to be able to Exert My Power over this world like I could in Undertale" I doubt you would enjoy it as much.
>>741962043FemKris canon.
>>741965094There will be no "you" its just gonna be 7 hours of susie and noelles yuri adventures
>>741961926ok, but wtf was the rose petal falling apart after a nasty squishing sound? Toby knew what that was a metaphor for, but hes been in Japan so long he thinks pedophilia and rape are normal and forgot its not to his main audience, Americans
>>741965116>Is anyone not following the same template a newfag to you retards?yes, mocking people who don't adjust to the culture was once much more prevalent, and hopefully will become commonplace again.it's been this way since usenet and you are a faggot.
>>741965205hes gonna make Kris watch, thats the worst part
>>741965005>Games are supposed to make me feel POWERFUL and NOTHING ELSEGames are supposed to have access to the full emotional spectrum.
>>741964920nta, i actually appreciated the autopilot because otherwise, it was the equivalent of the dogshit menu gameplay in totk.
>>741965154i'm wondering that too, same with how did kris even make a deal with him anyway? did he make a fountain just for it and then close it before coming back? and what was the deal
>>741965192NTA but no, Chapter 1 was disappointing. I had no interest in continuing Deltarune at all. I bet many people felt the same way and that's why Tony released 2 for free. Chapter 1 is simply not a good start.
>>741952546I agree.I loved Undertale. I can't stand Deltlarune.
>>741964672Yknow kris looks extra pathetic with the balloon
the dark world was okay, flowers were interesting characters (with blue fag being exception), flowery was sovl overload. The biggest issues to me were the disappointing 5th secret boss, shitty festival and lack of Asgore related content
I really can't believe that Kris and (you) are gonna do the father/son kamehameha now that we know he's absolutely been abandoned by literally everyone except his personal Asriel fuckpuppet who is working for him.I feel bad for the guy that he only has us now.
>>741960889i literally cannot remember each chapter because it takes so long for them to release. the release cadence for this is so bad
>>741965294The deal was to stall for time for the knight to arrive though Kris likely left out that last part
So when are we backtracking with Noelle?
>>741965275Only cucked men play games where they don't feel powerfulVideogames at the end of the day are power fantasies, not sissy bullshit so you can get cheated on, that's fetish crap and only shows how fucked up you are nigger
>>741962260wrong, attacking is the only fun thing in the combat system. the ACTs are just the same repeated bit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again at least the swinging i get to do something
>>741965283the problem is, it takes the one element of actual challenge from the platforming, and turns it into baby's first platforming. The menu problem could be fixed by just affixing each ability to a different button like a good platformer would. All of the platforming in chapter 5 was mind numbingly easy, and the one time it's not it gets made easy after a couple fails which is a worse way to fix it than what I suggested because now it's just mind numbingly simple again.
>>741963861Kill yourself.
you fags are lower than tendies
>>741962404he shouldve just worked on it in private, even if it took a decade and released it all at once. the episodic releases over a decade are a huge part of what killed it
>>741964309The game has 10,000+ recent reviews (with a total of 59,000+) on steam. The chance is 100%. The only thing that will kill Deltarune is if the ending is terrible.
>>741965412>you're a cuck because you don't feel threatened by a game not giving you ULTIMATE POWERCuck.>but games are power fantasies! And they remain such even if the characters and the writing itself aren't constantly in awe of you.
You know who else is obsessed with yuri?
I know anon is probably disappointed about the Festival but I like how shit in the Dark Worlds that was foreshadowed for us to see at the Festival was so much more grandiose than the festival itself, it really puts into contrast just how much more interesting their fantasy with the Dark World isPretty weird how the Ferris Wheel from Sans doesn't go all the way up when riding with Susie though.
Who is this "person who worked at Skull girls and ruined it and Toby hired her," I've people talking about? Like would this person actually influence Toby making the game?
>>741964514People love the new human characters though?
>>741965469>it takes the one element of actual challenge from the platformingIs it really challenge when the game freezes time for you so you can just look at everything and go hm. If it was just time slowed down a bit, you'd have a point
>>741965590Except blue
>>741965529can't make money that way bro
>>741965564NOOOO YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT
>>741952546>No consistent theme, no consistent writingCan't agree with you there. If anything, the game beats you over the head with its themes. The writing feels consistent, which is impressive given how long it is between chapters.
>>741965590most people dislike blue, and the others are hardly characters due to the overabundance of sharing screen time.
>>741962828he'd look hot if he transitioned he should do it
do think it's just a bug?
>>741965661I know bait when I see it
>>741965645Yeah, Blue can fuck off back to Mother 3.
>>741965553the cope lmao>and they remain such even if the characters and the writing itself aren't constantly in awe of you.How is Deltatroon a power fantasy when the entire game is shitting on you for wanting to do anything beyond get cucked by the main story? The entire intro and weird route is the game shitting on you for playing a VIDEOGAME and wanting to do WHAT YOU WANT.
>>741965573Despite everything, Susie does not let closer see beyond the town, or letting her touch the water. She's still trapped.
>>741965637The startup time on the moves means you've got to commit to the move you need done by the end of your jump at the start of the jump.Press and hold jump, then hold act, press a direction, and release act. Do this in rhythm. I think it sucks. You can't even release jump while holding act or Kris cuts his fucking jump off. It fucked me up enough that the autopilot started before I even got past two obstacles in that one room.
>>741960030See TADC for whats about to come to deltarune, indies dont know how to bring closure to their vaguelore series.Or we are going to get a bunch of signs/npcs in a straight that will tell us the lore like it happened with undertale lab, spamton or tenna
>>741965683Nah, Aqua and Seth had a lot of character. The breaks gives them a lot of flavor
>>741965650He could be in this very thread... he could be (YOU)... he could be me..! He could even be
>>741965637it's more challenging than everything that came before it and everything that came after it. It's not perfect but it was the closest the platforming actually came to making you engage with the mechanics meaningfully by giving you SOME kind of timing window to meet.I made a suggestion in another post instead of doing what they did, they could have affixed the abilities to their own buttons like a normal platformer would, and either like you said, slowing ddown time but not stopping it, or even just letting you use the abilities on the fly with directional targeting. What we got instead was dull and just felt like a chore to work through.
>>741952546Damn look at all those words you used to say literally nothing other than>undertale good>deltarune badYou sure showed me de way op
>>741965750>How is an entire medium where nothing happens if not for you a power fantasy?Lol.
>>741965827there's a much more toby-related work that famously didn't stick the landing you fucking secondary
>>741965819Has anyone even been able to do that section before the auto pilot starts?
>>741965590aqua and seth are great, green is good because food, orange is whatever, blue is a faggot and ruins yellow which in turn makes the only good thing about yellow is trying to kill himself
>>741965829the 2 that got the most screentime had the most character, sure, they're also the only 2 I like. The breaks are also very weak characterization and everyone but them stay just as one note as before, generally sharing their breaks with other characters that pop in.
Flowey>Aqua>Seth>Yellow>Green>Orange>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blue
>>741963007any other game>TRANSLATORS ARE EVIL AND ALWAYS MESS UP THE INTENTION OF THE WRITERthis game>a-actually translators are good!!!pathetic
half of the people here are just culture war fags who havent even played the gameyes ch5 sucked though
>>741960030That's the neat part, Gaster will be not introduced at all, Knight's identity will be revealed, Dess will be some vagueshit with no satisfying answer, other questions will not be answered except in passing where possible
>>741965939I dont consume homostuck garbage.
TEN FOOT TWENTY THE FLOWER MANIS WAITING FOR THE TOUCH OF HIS HANDSTRAIGHTENING PETALS OUT WITHOUT A PLANLIKE THE EVERY DAILY WISH THAT BOTHERS THE FLOWER MAN"COULD I DO SOMETHING TO MAKE HIM LAUGHINSIDE MY LITTLE CHAMBER MADE OF GLASS"SO HE LIVED THEFLOWER MAN, FLOWER MANWITH HIS HEART IN THE SANDSO HE STANDS TO WATCH THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD IN A CAN WAY UP HIGH IN THE SKYWITH THE SUN IN HIS EYESAIN'T IT NICETHE LIFE FORFLOWERS
>>741965947it doesn't look too hard to do, but I wasn't expecting the auto pilot to kick in and it made me feel dissapointed if anything that I wasn't going to be able to work out the timing itself.
>>741957793That's super cute. Is it yours?
>>741962852whats up with that? that 'found family' is more important than family family? some people have shitty parents, ok understandable. but not everyone does, and random bitches you come across in your day to day life will never love you as much as your family does (if theyre normal)
Is Woody a jap at Undertale Yellow? I feel it is
>>741965918Yeah, something happens, something I'm not invested in and which seems to shit on what I want. And when I do what I want the game gets mad that I do what it doesn't want me to do.Retard.>>741965970Nobody believes translators are evil you fucking retard. There are a couple of translators which are hated because they're woketards who censor normal shit but 1. Toby is woke himself so who the fuck cares and 2. there are many translators who don't do thatNobody complained about translators until 2019 fag
was orange soul gameplay in Undertale? I don't remember
>>741966014https://youtu.be/YBhb2SplDEI?is=XU9swVdkDUb9-zzFOur heroes theme
I can't believe that TADC just walked up and ate toby's lunch lol
The writing just feels like it’s been in a nosedive since chapter 2, I know (at least if you believe them) that the credits only have Toby as the writer, but this one was especially bad. 3+4 had a few things that were pretty sloppy, but this chapter feels was the worst of it. The festival just being a couple screens of random gags and shipping bait was so disappointing with how Chapter 2 hyped it up. The Ferris wheel was a fucking black screen with text over it when the imaginary one in Chapter 2 had an actual visual. Hell, the festival was hyped up since Chapter 1 as some sort of Majora’s Mask moment where everything goes down but by the time the chapter is over its already ended, you don’t even get to see how it looked lit up at night. Kinda makes me feel like Toby Fox is just forgetting parts of what happened in the previous chapters with how long they’re taking to come out.
>>741957179Anyone with at least an average IQ can tell this chapter is fucking awful
>>741965564That's the true no one wants to speak of, that every single /u/ser is a man.
>>741963175he spends all day with gamemaker open, but just watches youtube shorts. then he finds a clip he likes and just squashes it into someones dialogue real quick
>>741964517lmfao
>>741966089>things only happening through me isn't a power fantasy unless I can veto everything I don't want happeningWrong.>the game is mad at me!!!Wrong and hilariously insecure.Sans isn't telling you to be nice to video game characters either.
>>741966151no, this was the first time for it.
>>741966162The festival being underwhelming feels deliberate between the "if you could see past Hometown you'd see nothing exists outside of it" theory, especially since Sans of all people is manning it, and now we know he's a knower just as much as he was in Undertale.
>>741966249the "gamer girlfriend" joke was really outdated though
>>741966223>no secrets, no eggsliterally wrong though
>play faggy retard steven universe slop>its faggy retard steven universe slop>"buhhhh? wuhhh? huhhhhhh?"you guys are officially funnier than sonic fans
>>741957179Yo Toby do me a favor and try not to push back all of your fucking mysteries that you have been teasing since chapter 1 to chapter 7
>>741966223two of these mention "getting cucked"Also the first review says Asgore and the black shard was retconned despite it litteraly being addressed in the chapter itself.
>>741966069I it's because loving parents will be against their child trooning out, so they're evil. True family is your discord grooming server that will tell you to cut off your balls.
>>741965713The room is identical to the chapter 1 egg room so either:>Toby reused some code that accidentally put kris back at level 1>tying it to the overal theme of "le nostalgia".
>>741963427its called having humility. stop with the black and white thinking if you are neurologically able to
>>741963515Can anyone fucking link it to me or not where the shitting is happening? I've been trying to find it on any platform where likes/upvotes and dislikes/downvotes exist and I couldn't find anything. Steam forums isn't something I've considered looking at so far, I agree, but what about other things?
>>741966470KF hates it.
>>741966403listen up lil chuddy, big chungus toby had a fever dream once about setting up a big mystery he never answers because he watched twin peaks the return once, he doesn't owe you transphobes anything
>>741966249He doesn't actually do it, right?
>>741966274Again, you fail to argue how this game is in any way a power fantasy. The player gets nothing for going through the main route except humiliation. "Oh but if you don't do it then nothing happens" that's not what a power fantasy is you moron, that's just player interaction but there is no fantasy or even power there beyond just doing the tasks the game asks you to do>Sans isn't telling you to be nice to video game characters either.Yeah but the game pretty obviously is implying that if you go through the weird route you are a rapist and evil person, specifically you the player since Kris hates you or whatever.You are coping hard. This game is a humiliation ritual.
>>741966082Yes (good)
>>741966457there is a difference between having humility and being insecure, you want toby to be insecure
>>741964880What's baffling is Toby could've easily justified it, like put a bunch of manga around the place or have some Japanese knotweed in his apartment grow more and more with every chapter. Get it, because it's a plant from Asia that made its way to America and became an invasive species? And now the Field of Hope and Dreams has become Asia-themed? I dunno man, it's not hard to think of reasons.And even then only Aqua of all the flowers is really themed around Japan. It's so bizarre all the other flowers look like Stephen Universe OCs but still have that Touhou-sounding song playing in the background. Almost the entire chapter feels slapped together with zero thought.
I like how if Asgore didn't kick Kris and Susie out of the Dark World like an uncurious asshole, Toby might have actually had to have him explain what his "research" entails.
>>741963657i love doing that, because in every encounter toby made sure the enemy was like 'YOURE A MONSTER! YOURE THE DEVIL! HOW COULD YOU? YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO PARASOCIALLY FALL IN LOVE WITH THESE CHUNGUSES"
>>741966223Why are you trying to manufacture a narrative? Do you need to feel like your opinion aligns with the consensus because you lack confidence in it this much? Just say it with you chest and don't care that other people disagree. There's no need to try to distort the truth to feel better about it.
Just how pissed is Toby gonna be in the next chapter now that everyone is shitting on him? He already got mad because of the rape interpretation
I'm Team Krusie but some of these reactions are embarrassing
>>741963694He's selling one (1) video game over a decade (10 years) because hes greedy and wanted to milk it for that merch money, instead of just making it and releasing it all at once.
>>741966779If he was "mad" as you claim he wouldn't have kicked up weird route the way he did. If anything he's pleased
>>741966779>He already got mad because of the rape interpretationIs there any evidence of this?
>>741966779>get pissed about obvious rape parallel being seen as rape>make post-rape route in next chapter be even more sexualwhat the fuck is his problem?
>>741966779>pander to mentally ill troons>everyone who just wants a proper story hates it beacuse it's dogshit>the troons also hate it because they will turn on you for no reason and eat you aliveYou can't win with them
>>741963758does toby pay people to shill? lmao ive always wondered, because they SWARM on any negative criticism. probably not, but idk its weird
>>741966770The chart doesnt disprove the post btw
>>741964676It's so odd how vague he was in here considering how in Undertale the guy was pretty damn honest about what he did in the past even if he was a bit of a coward and refused to face his problems for a majority of the time he was trapped underground.
>>741966935nah, they do it for free. there's a legion of man-children whose life is just talking about tobyfox games
>>741966935You don't need to pay faggots to shill for anything that pushes faggot propaganda. They will do it everywhere because they don't have anything else to do
>>741963841toby, dont you have anything better to do?
>>741966935the trannies do it for free LMAO
>>741957179What's with trannies raiding these threads to insist that abysmal dogshit chapter wasn't horrible?
Toby has actual contempt for his players now. It's ironic because people thought the YIIK devs had contempt for their players when they never did. Ironic
>>741966935Current day fandom is all about being an unwavering cultist for your favorite creator, so they do it for free.
>>741963918Susie says 'bone appa teeth' IN THE WEIRD ROUTE lmfao i cant take it anymore
>>741966908he deleted a scene DAY 1 because of a possible rape metaphor, He didn't have a backup sprite ready, but he just had to show he would NEVER EVER rape someone, he's just that disgusted by itThis is normal behavior and nothing to be worried about
I haven't played any episode, I won't touch this until at least it's all finished. But I want to point out to people assuming the game has 2 chapters or even one chapters to elaborate on things, you can have a story and never elaborate on anything, maybe the ending alone gives you "an" answer. In fact, I would say that model is more in line with how "vaguepost" anime and stories of that sort go.
>Carol mentions police sacrifice>the only people kidnapped were the police chief and former police chiefDoes this mean something?
>>741966984The chart is to show that the reception of the new chapter has been overwhelmingly positive. All the new reviews from the past few days have been in this 95%+ positive range. Trying to cobble screenshots of the select few posts who disagree on steam or twitter to claim that what you think is what the consensus is is just pathetic bitch-made faggot behavior. If you don't like the game, then say you don't like the game. There's no need for this "normies hate it too" complete bullshit, so that you feel less bad about having a minority opinion. People like this annoy the fuck out of me. Just stop being a fucking pussy.
>>741967272Actually, current day fandom is harboring endless contempt for your favorite media's creator unless they bend the knee and turn said media into endless speculative theorybait and shipwar material that never gets resolved so headcanons and fanfics can continue to dominate without being contested by canonical material, in other words it allows the fanon material to become prevalent enough to be adopted as "basically canon" so the originator's e-peen can get big.
>>741964090why do people think 'cheap gimmicks' = good gameplay? is everyone literally retarded?
>>741965918NTA, but the only power fantasy Deltarune provides is maybe the Weird Route actions. Every other gameplay element is typically framed in a way that tries to detach the player (you/the soul) from the player-character (Kris). You can see this in the character creator ending, Susie initially bullying Kris and refusing to take order, etc. We can quibble on definitions, but most people think of power fantasy as something like going on a killing spree in GTA, turning on God Mode in Doom/Quake/Half-Lie or something like Vampire Survivors where you work your way up to being an unstoppable killing machine in a few minutes.Deltarune sells a (YA) fantasy, but it's not one focused on power.
>>741967339>you can have a story and never elaborate on anythingI fucking wish. this is a post-brevity era
>>741967374Read the post again retard
>>741967417Case in point.
>>741967418Deltarune fans hate playing Deltarune. That's why they loved this chapters gameplay, because it was something else.
>>741964220>I want mechanical depthwhat does this even fucking mean, rhythm games have no mechanical depths what so ever but they are fun none the less. why do you need mechanical depth to have fun in a video game
>>741963918m8 there were fucking ralsei gun references in chapter 2
>>741965154Apparently Kris told her and made a deal to give her a feather from him but you fags forget about that part for some reason.
>>741967465I'm responding to the posting of the screenshot of cobbled together negative reviews. There's no other reason to post it, other than what I outlined. If you don't like the game, then say it yourself. You don't need Jimmy and Tiffany from Steam to state your opinion for you. Grow a pair, pussy.
>>741964562No Toby
>>741967729>doesnt read postsThen why the fuck are you even replying? You dont know what youre talking about
>>741967728>>741965154It's surprising that this chapter actually gave Kris x Berdly fueld. Kris seems to genuinely like him.
>>741966162>"Man, Ralsei, it sure sucks that you won't get to spend time with us at the Festival that's gonna happen really soon! It's a pretty big deal!">the festival lasts all of ten minutes
>>741966935people are just attached to the things they like and will backwards justify why it's still good because otherwise you have to face the reality it was a waste of time to be invested in it
>>741966410>two of these mention "getting cucked"literally what happens.
guys i dont even think we're going to see asriel or papyrus at this point if this is where the trajectory of the troon writing is taking us
>>741967875>Ferris wheel ride hyped up all game>You don't even get to see itI said wow. Truly an epic subversion.
>>741967272the fandom is literally shitting on the chapter, you are not in the minority here
>>741964562i liked it because i could kill them if i found them annoying and wasnt forced to listen to long scenes about faggotry >b-but you're supposed to be a pacifistdont care
>>741967875>ice cream for ralsei? yeah sure, ill make sure to keep the promis-fuck you, imagine caring lmao, forget about it
>>741952546You're right but people will disagree with you for the forseeable future. As long as Deltarune is still "unfinished" it is effectively shielded from proper evaluation.
>growing up with undertalenewfags die
>>741967374>>741967729Really again the chart alone does not mean anything.I'd be interested by a comparison between this chart and the same chart for chapter 3+4 at release date.
>>741967294It’s funny that people still believe that wasn’t the intention because if it wasn’t why would he specifically use an animation of a rose being deflowered it’d imply he’s just stupid
>>741967846All the post says in the context of the screenshot is essentially "these people say this and it's correct I'm very smart". It's completely substanceless, because you're a pussy afraid of vocalizing of what you yourself think. I can't with you, you fucking faggot.
>>741967948Asriel doesn't exist in the moment because nothing outside of Hometown exists, he's there solely as memory implants for backstory and flashback.The same also happened to Dess, but her absence was labeled as a disappearance because the narrative still needs her to motivate the characters.The skelebros were inserted into the narrative by Gaster for observation reasons and to secure the timeloop with Undertale in the event the player starts the Weird Route. Sans is deliberately keeping Papyrus out of perception so he doesn't fully integrate into Deltarune for his own safety and innocence, as to ensure he becomes who he does in Undertale.
>>741967374>There's no need for this "normies hate it too" complete bullshitA lot of things get reevaluated over time. Dragons's Dogma 2 benefited from an absurd amount of coping at the start. then people realized...
>>741968124You seem upset do you need milkies
>>741965057who cares? by that point tobert made a decades worth of money. thats what this is all really about anyway $$$$$$$ Toby is Spamton
say something nice about chapter 5
>>741968310it looks good
>>741968310One chapter closer to Toby roping himself, can't wait :)
>>741968158Thats cool fanfiction you made to make us cope, Toby. but the truth is that you dont want us to be happy or have any emotional payoff you planted eight years ago because you hate the people who propped you up. you sicken me. all i want is to see my boyfriend asriel one last time before the game ends. ||i wish i never trooned out because of you're faggot ass games||
>>741967294I would bet a considerable amount of money that Crazy Noelle from the new chapter was a bandaid for the deflowering scene. I suspect in the original plan for the story she didn't ask you to force you to pull you across the river, and that had to change because it might have "rape-y vibes". I don't know if he considered the implication is now that she's happy you raped her.
>Start chapter 5 on weird route>See the festival was skipped over and get disappointed by this>See that for some reason Noelle hung out with Susie instead despite Noelle taking more interest to Kris in weird route>Get to lake scene>"Oh well that was cool at least.">Realize that was it for chapter 5's weird route>Didn't even get to see this chapter's dark worldWhat the fuck happened? Is Toby pussying out on weird route?
>>741968310It made me stop caring about deltarune
>>741968310aqua
>>741964514B-but THE HUMANFAG
>>741968124>appealing to opinions of other people is bad>let me appeal to opinions of other people by showing you that steam reception is overwhelmingly positive on average as if there was any chance that wouldn't be the caseYou're the one who's making a fool out of yourself
>>741955178Toby probably realized that:1. He isn't working alone, so he has an obligation to compensate his coworkers.2. People want the merch.3. People will make low-quality merch to fill the gap in the market regardless -- may as well make the stuff yourself.4. You are gay.
>>741967948Papyrus is an Undertale character, even in Deltarune. Sans very subtly implied that his brother isn't part of this game. His brother is from another timeline, another universe. In Undertale, he can no longer go freely between the universes like he can in Deltarune. He got that picture to bring to the Undertale universe. Papyrus is NOT in this game, and he never will be.
>>741968210thats cool fan art, could the artist of drawn actually good characters though?
Deltarune is Toby Fox indulging in his NTR fetish.Toby has always been a bit of a faggot, he only held his impulses for UNDERTALE because he had put all of his chips on the game being a success.Now that he's rich and successful, he's free to indulge in his sexual fantasies.
>>741968424>||i wish i never trooned out because of you're faggot ass games||Go back to your discord tranny
>>741968093Technically just means innocence lost. it's like MGR using 'meme' to refer to spreading ideas
>>741968158>Asriel doesn't exist in the moment because [baseless headcanon]
>>741968424why are you incapable of using quotation marks
>>741965646tobuscus has enough money from undertale. no one said he needed to take a decade to make a pixel shit rpgmaker esque game
>>741968158If “ooo it was all a simulation and the characters become self aware that they’re in a video game and in the alternate route you break out and explore the code of the game oooo” is the big twist that Toby Fox dreamed of and thought was so compelling he dragged it out for 10 years that’s gonna be really disappointing because it’s been done to death at this point and has yet to really outdo DDLC which also didn’t really do it that great but at least didn’t take 10 years to get to its point.
>>741968559Chuds really make entire schizo graphs to justify their stupidity I cant even-
>>741968074>Really again the chart alone does not mean anything.Oh but it does. If people wanted Toby Fox's blood, as some seem to want to believe, then the reviews wouldn't have been overwhelmingly positive. This is true in isolation, you don't need a reference point to read it from the chart.>>741968180Okay, so let's say I agree that people who are saying things right now cannot be taken as entirely credible. But then why even bring up what they're saying in the first place, negative or positive? Doesn't it go both ways? As an example, people shat on Black Sabbath's first album when it came out, and a tiny bit later it got reevaluated to be considered pretty good, and now it's considered a classic. This supports my central point even further: stop being a pussy, say what you think, and quit with this "l-l-look, these other people are saying it t-t-too, please no bully ;_;"
>kris and susie start beating each other with the hammersno wonder he's so depressed that he's gonna have to kill her>>741968636why do you keep responding to the most obvious trolls to exist
>>741967723I think there's a difference between doing fan service by referencing memes in the fandom like "Ralsei chuffing a dart" versus referencing whatever meme is hip with the kids on Tumblr/Twitter the week that Toby is writing the script.
>>741968674Um, it's called media literacy...
>>741968724Its called being a homophobe incel
>>741968496>>appealing to opinions of other people is badThat's not my "thesis". Try again, you low-IQ mongoloid faggot.
>>741967454Pretty sure you're stlll likely to find this in more psychological stuff. It remains to be seen if Deltarune "never elaborates on anything", but I doubt the main mysteries, specifically refering to why the Kris and the Knight are opening fountains and kidnapping people, will go unanswered.
>>741966779If he has any self awareness he’ll backpedal on the Suselle and troon shit. Otherwise expect chapter 6 to somehow be more of a nothing burger
>>741968482Aquass
>>741968763based
>>741968560Discord troons felate this game off fuck no you guys unironically are the only people who get this game and I dont think thats even the case anymore after this chapter.
>>741968310It made me reevaluate RPGs that people hated.
>>741968559I just realised that Susie has either replaced Kris' room with Noelle's or moved her own away from Kris'
>>741966935People have been autistically invested in this game for nearly a decade. No they do it for free
>>741965750thats why weird route is kino, i can play as the demonic entity who kris should have never fucked with. I make his life hell. I make him stare at his own reflection. I choose the options which make him bite his own hand. I laugh as he kicks me in the garbage can because he actually thinks he can hurt me, i laugh at him, i make him flirt with berdley, i make him snowgrave, i made him drown, i cannot wait to continue torturing that blue fuck. Thats what he gets for dabbling in the occult. he summoned a soul who isnt a beta cuck. i am EVIL when i play deltarune. and its so much more fun that way i feel the power in my veins
>in the span of one chapter deltarune from the one “woke” game this site tolerated to the butt of every fag jokeIncredible
>>741968674Everything in that chart is true, bunkertranny. Toby is the biggest NTR cuck possible and Deltatroon is a massive humiliation ritual. Simple as.
>>741963761I don't think fans would be happy if he hid important explanations behind a route where you mentally abuse a wholesome hecking lesbean.
YIIK did deltarune chapter 5 better I'm not even joking. Even though you feel roy made no progress when you look for the record you still actually got more out of it than what chapter 5 got.
>>741969020a lot changes in a year... I miss the asgore ran over dess days
>>741968310The platforming was fun and flowery was cringekino
>>741966223These are some of the dumbest reviews I've seen of the chapter yet. Especially with where the weird route is concerned.
>>741968676>the reviews wouldn't have been overwhelmingly positiveBecause of course no fandom meltdown and harassment ever happened to game with overwhelmingly positive steam receptionOf course steam review average reception is an absolute metric of fan reception and I should take it as the word of GodAlso you feign to not understand what comparing to chapter 3+4 reception would bring because you already know that there would be a noticeable drop in positive reviews>>741968764It's literally what you say here though: >>741968124Are negative reviews offending you that badly?
>>741966353his algorithm gives him millennial nostalgia slop
>>741968676>Doesn't it go both ways?No because intelligent people usually explain why some things are bad or don't work properly. If you look at the negative reviews they bring good points like the plot not progressing, Asgore being a massive letdown, kris getting cucked etc. Does this match the reality? yes. A normie would never ever have the balls to criticize a product without fanboy lens filtering their opinion. We agree that the majority of people are normies so it's only natural to get hundreds of positive reviews. If you go and talk to a person who claims to have genuinely enjoyed the chapter they won't know how to justify that besides "idk i simply liked it". Ofc this doesn't turn every counter-trends review into a beacon of truth. You simply have to be objective and question if the negative review is true or not. In this case, it objectively is.
>>741969020>people put up with game for its characters>make characters unlikable >everyone gets sick of itShocker
>>741962828I love how the transbian stereotype is just autistic male things, almost as if
>>741968482Plap her like the world's revolving.
>>741966618no, i want him to get his head out of the clouds and his asshole and to stop drinking so much. how do i know that? i just do, he drinks toooooo much ever since moving to japan
>>741966618NTA but if it meant deltarune was a good game I'd become Toby's reverse flash and ruin his life
>>741966925the troons turn on you because theye hopped up on both estrogen and progesterone, which means theyre perpetually in the pms-like phase
>>741967728I didn't "forget" something that is, at best, only implied, you strangely hostile weirdo. It's just a very surprising thing to have happened, especially after the humiliation scene Berdly suffered earlier.>Kris creates dark world>makes a point to, apparently, talk up Berdly to Seth, a person who didn't exist mere minutes ago>Kris, for some reason has one of his feathers ready to bribe her with, despite not having time to go grab it from Berdly right before entering the dark World (meaning Kris had the feather for a while)Time clearly(?) works fast in the Dark World compared to the Light, so Kris could have had a long while to chat up Seth in the ten Light seconds it took between Susie noticed a Dark World forming and Kris showing back up, but it's a strangely specific thing to do.
>>741968482Based!
>>741963361Berdly is basically his old own self and Snowgrave is about him killing himself to control Noelle's body or some shit (metaphorical gender transition)
>>741968482Uooooohhhhh human cunny!!
>>741967078>>741967052>>741967272based i think all of you who replied to me are right
>>741968559This is a really interesting analysis if you ignore the fetish bullshit and think about what this means from the perspective of a normal fucking human playing a goddamned video game.>But Toriel is in a relationship with--Broken households are not just a fetish category! Have you never seen a failed relationship? Were you born yesterday? This is a fucking thing that happens in real life!>Susie is changing the Dark World and calls it her "home". She is unilaterally inviting Noelle, her love interest, into what was a two-person deal.This is a good point. Does Susie actually care about the "danger", or is she just trying to force Noelle into this for her own benefit? Is Susie going to abandon saving the world in favor of an escapist fantasy with Noelle?
>>741966935If he was paying people he'd have to give them a hint about his actual intended direction for them to not say shit that condemns his future work. He's too autistic to spread that kind of knowledge beyond the bare minimum number of people.
>>741967417im sorry toby
>>741969976I think we're going to see something in Chapter 6 like ERAM showing up egging Kris on that if he had some way of going back in time, he could prevent Noelle and Susie from getting together
>>741969976>fetish bullshitOh yeah i'm sure toby did all of that driven by some kind eureka level of enlightment and not what got his dick hard during the first internet forums era.
>>741967417you just had to release the game faster and make a better game toby, you can't just evade responsability like that
>>741968310i love regular, no-gimmick rpgs better now. I appreciate them for what they are, and how it takes a lot of skill to build your mechanics 'vertically' rather than 'horizontally' chapter was so all over the place i actually thought: "y'know, the pokemon people had to put a lot of thought into the type match-ups and moves, must have taken a lot of work"
>>741969976Toby is the one writing the story with his dick, not me. I'm just noticing.
God I fucking hate this chapter's spritework.It's like the pixelart equivalent of when millennial movie writers produce shit like "erm... well THAT just happened...".It's that ironic acknowledgement of a joke as opposed to just playing it straight, as if Toby has become too insecure of his own humor.
>>741968310It returned to goofy irreverent chapter 1/2 kino, which is what the game really needs
>>741956537what an embarrassingly retarded pseud post this is
>>741970315>"erm... well THAT just happened...".It says this a lot too
>>741968910Not replaced. Kris's room is normally to the left of Susie's, except when Ralsei merged them, but that was only for the tea party. So, the order is back to normal in Chapter 5 and Susie is just making a new room to the right of hers.
>>741952546go woke, go broke
>>741969313>Because of course no fandom meltdown and harassment ever happened to game with overwhelmingly positive steam receptionWhen a game bombs, like people here are claiming, I'd expect it to be reflected in some fucking statistics. If it's not, then some tiny pocket of the fanbase having a meltdown because Glup Shitto, a character they hyperfixate on, didn't eat the special orange says fuck all about the consensus.>Of course steam review average reception is an absolute metric of fan reception and I should take it as the word of GodI didn't say it's perfect. But if someone were to be a pussy and try to justify their opinion by hiding behind the fact that fan consensus is that they hate the new chapter, I'd expect some kind of evidence, other then a screenshot of like five people tops saying something. That would be absolutely retarded, wouldn't it? The point isn't that this is a perfect metric. The point is that it's a much much better metric than a screenshot of a few people saying something.>Also you feign to not understand what comparing to chapter 3+4 reception would bring because you already know that there would be a noticeable drop in positive reviewsNo? My point is that it's completely irrelevant to gauging what the consensus about the new chapter is at this point in time. Also, what's the margin of error here? The new chapter had 98% positives on release date. 95% on subsequent days. Would chapters 3 and 4 having 99% to 97% really say anything meaningful at all? No, and you'd be a dumbfuck to think otherwise. This just seems like a red herring cope.>It's literally what you say here though:That's not at all what that post said. Now I see you're not only a retard, you're also illiterate. My apologies, it wasn't my intention to bully the mentally challenged. I'll make a donation to the local retard center in your name.
>>741970315it's so over. we are in the meta era version of deltarune and undertale.
>>741968764toby i want to kiss you on the mouth dont let the criticism stop us from making our love child this is more than the game, this is us
>>741969976Susie already said point-blank, no ambiguity, that she has no intention of closing the Castle Town dark world when Flowery floated it as an alternative to shutting down the flower shop one. I don't remember the exact line, but it was something like "we'd never do that" when it really should've been "we'll do that last" or something to that effect.She's lost in the sauce 100%.
>>741970315>ironic acknowledgement of a joke as opposed to just playing it straightfunny
>>741968674I don't care about the fetishistic aspect, but Chapter 5 was about Susie getting distant.I think that's one of the reasons he created the Dark World after the Suselle scene - a bit like someone in a failed marriage trying to rekindle the first spark.Then Susie started to hang with Flowery.
>>741970429Oh, alright. Well thats not so bad then
>>741970315wasn’t chapter 4 all about how irony and mindless trope obedience poisons a story?
>>741970585how do you get owned so hard about writing by a character YOU WROTEwhat the fuck went wrong here
>>741970694It's actually quite common for writers to lampshade problems and never fix them, because it's far easier to point out your writing sucks than doing something about it.
>>741970585>>741970685You know I start to understand psyop theoryfags when Toby releases a chapter that does everything the pervious one made fun of
>>741970484alright faggot since you like to argue so much:https://www.notebookcheck.net/Free-to-try-This-RPG-with-98-positive-reviews-unexpectedly-became-Steam-s-best-selling-game.1031846.0.htmlthis was in 2025, for chapter 3 and 4 steam, positive reception was at 98%it is now at 97%curious that it dropped, but i'm sure this doesn't mean anything since the overwhelming reception of chapter 5 alone is enough to make a point rightcan you fucking shut up now?
>>741970580The minister in the church referred to Susie as the Angel. Could the castle end up becoming the Angel's Heaven (Susie's fantasy)? Ralsei has to disappear, and Susie won't have it. Right?
>>741970767Except deltarune never had issues with irony poisoning beforehand which is why gerson’s comments worked. Fucker lampshaded problems he’d run into LATER
>>741957548The fuck, when does this happen?
>>741970315Based and same.I can't believe people liked picrel, I cringed really hard when I first saw it. It's so dishonest and insecure.
>>741957548>OMG IS THAT THE HECKIN' GHASTER FOLLOWER FROM THE ORIGINAL GAME BUT IN COLOR???!11/?!?! OMG YOU FUCKING DID IT AGAIN TOBY, ILL BUY TEN PLEASE
I started only with weird route so far and when I explored the festival, I didn't laugh at any of the jokes. I know weird route is supposed to be the more darker and serious route, but don't tell me chapter 5's jokes suck in general.
>>741969405>No because intelligent people usually explain why some things are bad or don't work properly.So? There's a shit ton of people who made positive reviews and went into detail why they think that. I may give more credence to such a review, but it's just one opinion. Someone else may use the same whatever examples to explain why they liked the game, because they feel differently about them.>A normie would never ever have the balls to criticize a product without fanboy lens filtering their opinion.There were absolutely massive video game releases that completely bombed on launch, and all the people who were super hyped for them went into complete meltdown, which could be seen everywhere, including in disastrous Steam reviews. So I don't buy this narrative that if a video game series has a fanbase, then everybody is necessarily going to say they love it, despite actually thinking it's shit and just coping. You need to show me something convincing to claim that. As it stands, the consensus from my point of view is indistinguishable from people simply overwhelmingly liking the game. But listen, all this "fact of the matter" is besides the point. My point was, that you shouldn't be a pussy and just say what you think without hiding behind other people's opinions, including going as far as trying to make up a fictional consensus, because that's faggot behavior. It's that simple.
>>741970484>That's not at all what that post said. Now I see you're not only a retard, you're also illiterate. My apologies, it wasn't my intention to bully the mentally challenged. I'll make a donation to the local retard center in your name.materia music move
>>741971094It reminds me of the scene where Susie and Ralsei both were annoyed at Tenna at the same time but that at least was a lot more reserved and not the whole joke
>>741968310Best gimmickInsane production valuesHypest main boss so farAllowed Asgore to look cool for a bit, first time in Deltarune history
>susie spends a large chunk of chapter 3 and 4 talking about how she wishes she could take ralsei to the festival >barely acknowledges him during the actual festival HUH?
>>741971206all the positive reviews are>deltarune might be one of the most important pieces of media of all time... because it is ok?>i'm 16 btw and go by xe/xir and only ever played silksong and watched youtube videos with my tranny buddies on discord)cope
>>741970876>Chapter 4 is about a lack of confidence poisoning your story>Chapter 5 has Ralsei becoming more confident and Susie becoming noticeably changed, her edge dulled>Chapter 4 has Susie declaring that the prophecy won't come to pass>Chapter 5 has her going balls-deep into the bits of the prophecy we're privy to, like love finding the girl>Chapter 5 weird route is all about the idea of becoming something different than what you were pre-ordained to be>Susie's first act in chapter 6 will be to attempt to drag Noelle, the girl with a dead sister and a father dying of lung cancer, into a mystical fantasy world of escapism and wacky characters, as if this won't cause Noelle to explode in dramatic fashionI just don't see a universe where this is all being played straight and all parties involved truly, genuinely looked at it and thought that it was a believable, consistent and well-written evolution of these characters. It's not even that I have too much faith in Tricky Tony, it's that I just can't accept anybody crafting this narrative and then following it up with "the world was saved by the power of lesbians and their non-binary third wheel".
>>741971421Kris and Ralsei's relationships with Susie got shafted for the dykeslop, anon. You vill get ze cuck fantasy.
>>741971424>watched youtube videos with my tranny buddies on discordand all of them are raised by twitch highlights "chat is this true?" culture and try to outscream each other "OH MY FUCKING GOD GUYS I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WHAT'S HAPPENING!" any time something happens instead of reacting like a normal person
>>741971519Did you forget the part where Susie says the prophecy makes her feel like she has a purpose? Or how she was weirdly obsessed with finding the answer to the love panel? She's an impulsive charascter who wants her cake and to eat it too. She wants to find love, she wants to save the world, but never wants the ending to pass. She's acting within character, as fucking annoying as it is.
>>741971519>it's that I just can't accept anybody crafting this narrative and then following it up with "the world was saved by the power of lesbians and their non-binary third wheel".just fucking give it up dude theres no hope past this point
