Well, /v/? Say it!
PROSNEED
>>741961249I LOVE YURI AND NTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Redditrash isn't worth playing more than once, and certainly not to jump thru autistic hoops to see alt paths for. "Your choices don't matter" is the stupidest lie Toby ever told.
>>741961249I LOVE BEING A KEK!!!
I'M IN YOUR LAKEFUCKIN YOUR DEER
>>741961519Kris is the kek though?don't tell me you self insert as little twink cunt who has the nerve to abuse us for saving the world.
>>741961249You’re insane…
>>741961249Nigger
>>741961249Physically cringe inducing
All memes aside, what do you think Kris used to say “stop” to?
>>741962121Noelle force facefucking kris
>>741962121Getting beat up by Dess (canon).
>>741962121Dess manhandling him because he's a little demon
>>741962121>Dess please stop beating the shit out of me>No lolAlternatively, we now know that Noelle was the one forcing things on to Kris instead of the other way around, and the pranks may have been Kris's way to try to reclaim control of their life. Doesn't take much to extrapolate from there
>>741962121Dess’s strap-on
>>741961421Tommy...
>>741961249FINEI WANT TO FUCK MEW MEW IN A THREESOMETHEY ARE THE SEXIEST CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE SERIES BY FARMOST WILLING TOOFUCK SUSIE AND RALSEI(FIGURATIVELY) FOR THEIR JEALOUSY FUELED COCKBLOCKING WAYS
>>741962346Hot…
>>741961249>* Let's do something crazy.>* Let's go somewhere no one has gone before.
>>741962346Kris pushing Dess into the lake makes so much sense now
>>741962121There might have been a good reason Kris distanced himself from Noelle.
I was really starting to like Susie despite her flaws by Chapter 4, but now it's completely over. I just hope she isn't too attached to this town and her Dark World.
>>741961843Read the image in the OP slower.
>>741961249NIGGER
>>741961249>Proceed
We're going to be hit with both "Dess... wasn't the greatest person." and "Noelle... wasn't the greatest person." And then Rudy will be revealed to be the KnightCarol will be the sole decent person in her entire family
>>741961249Keep saying it
>>741962553It’s hilarious how she learned absolutely nothing from Gerson
She's a Mew Mew girl with a Mew Magic Cane地獄越え願いはキューティ革命世界は闇に 脳裏のリズムShe is saving the day! ミュウミュウ助けて!She's a Mew Mew girl who is ready to play全力で突き進めばいいのキューティ革命世界殺戮 今度は水中She is saving the day! ミュウミュウ助けて!She is saving the day! ここは冷てー!She is saving the day! 歌詞わからねー!Cutie Mew Mew Magic で変身しちゃいましょう
is this the worst reception a chapter has gotten?
>>741962825Yes. By a country mile
>>741962734>世界殺戮 今度は水中uh>ここは冷てー!UH
>>741961249Okay, so I get why people are so upset at the actual unironic humiliation ritual that Kris went through in Chapter 5, like you don't even need to be a self-inserter to notice that shit's been rough for the little guy. But let me ask something: does anyone else feel like if Susie was in basically any other game, people here would've clocked her as what /v/ usually calls a "girlboss" character? You guys have been talking about how the main character so to speak has basically gotten cucked both figuratively and literally, but it feels like for years the writing on the wall has been that Susie has been supplanting Kris as the actual main character from day 1; she's the inciting incident that kicks off the adventures, Kris and Ralsei have to tardwrangle her despite her sperg behavior, she's the one that constantly overrides the "rules" of the setting, basically everything involving the Hammer of Justice, I could go on and on but it really feels like people should've noticed a long time ago that Susie has always been cucking Kris out of the MC spot to begin with, and I don't really know why people didn't seem to notice to begin with.Was it just because people thought that Susie would eventually just be the supporting girlfriend to Kris in the end?t. always thought something about Susie's writing was kind of fucked up.
>>741962825yes, it was a filler chapter, there's nothing to talk about or theorize
>>741962825No. By a minuscule amount.
QRD?
>>741962825Is it actually getting a bad reception outside of /v/ though? This seems like one of those echochamber cases where the retarded masses are eating it up and begging for more.
>>741962272>>741962279>>741962346>>741962291Hey trannies, this is about Kris and Noelle, not DessStay in your fucking lane and stop trying to piggyback other people's shit already Fucking subhumans
>>741962628thats why shes so pissed off all of the time and doesnt want noelle to have friends other than the soul. Her family fucking sucks and shes hoping if we possess her youngest daughter she might become a half way decent individual who isnt secretly into murder
>>741962961i dont feel so good, boss
>>741962825No, that anon is right.
>>741961249I WANT YOUR LOVE, E.G DAILY!
>>741963096Reading comprehension, fag. She witnessed plenty of wiffle bat beatdowns that Kris received.
>>741961249keep saying it
>>741963226so this game actually fucking sucks, but the extended release time means you forget how much the chapter you just played sucks as time goes on, and you only remember the good because your brain sends the shitty boring memories to the garbage bin
>>741963306Shut the fuck up, you mouthbreathing apeHoly shit why do I have to share the internet with third world subhumans just trying to forcefeeding their fetish while acting like complete secondaries
>>741962962You're not special for noticing the obvious thing the game wants you to notice, the problem is that people expected it to have amounted to something, but nothing has happened so far, which is why we're complaining.
>>741962734>>741962961>the actual schizoboss dialogue was in the lyrics
>>741962962most characters maligned as girlboss stereotypes come out of the gate snarky, self-assured, independant/indivudualistic, and faux-badass.Not only is Susie barely any of those traits, she had character development to reach how she is now. She wants to be the hero and is trying to embody that and not afraid to be vunerable anymore. I feel like the only reason to call her a "girlboss" is because she's a female you personally dislike that's doing protagonist things.
xd
>>741962962Susie was your friend in ch1-4In Ch5 she doesn't do anything that a friend would do. She doesn't help you, or give you anything, she barely even jokes with you. She forces you to follow her around "like a dog", as Berdly put it.
would it not make sense if the knight has a similar goal to asgore's goal? by initiating the roaring the knight can bathe the world in dark and search for dess who is lost in a dark world rather than actually being dead.it would make sense for the knight to go this far because the knight is a holiday, probably rudy, who like asgore wants things to 'go back to the way they were' for the holiday family and will go to extreme ends to do thiswhat this implies to me if true is that the knight is not the final antagonist, it's someone else. whoever is really behind dess's disappearance. it would make double sense for the (rudy) knight and the asgore to be in theory working towards the same ends when flowery (a rudy expy) explicitly has asgore's interests at heart. it also follows carol is an accomplice to all this, obviously she wants her daughter back.
>>741961249I LOVE TV!
>>741962825Yes, and anyone saying otherwise is coping.
>>741963431Cope faggot, Kris was getting violently raped by Dess and Noelle saw everything, being young and not understanding everything, most of what she understood from it was that she could push Kris around and force him to do things. It all fits, it's so fucking obvious now.
>>741962267>>741962121>Cunny Noelle exploring shota kris's body whenever she gets the chance.>Without his consentMy dick
>>741962121Kris drifted away from her for more than just her sister disappearing
>>741963606>Cope [PROJECTION], [HEADCANON]Are you done spazzing out, jeetus deletus?
>>741963041No. And it isn't even getting a bad reception here. Just shitposts mostly trying to tortanic
>>741962121She was probably torturing Kris' toys.
>>741961249BIG SHOT
>>741963524xddd
>>741963431If this was the case, wouldn't Kris be more resistant to Noelle's presence? He basically gets along with her in the normal route
>>741963667>no argument>just name callingDon't worry, you still have some time to cope before you're forced to accept the obvious.
>>741962121>>741961249god this scene was fucking kino UGHhttps://youtu.be/_aWpJSD7-Ww?is=buF9X0ChmxANXQ2c
>>741963612> We can see Noelle drag his ass into the water like a cursed spiritTurns out Noelle was actually the creepy one, but could hide it.
>>741962734>地獄越え願いはキューティ革命Overcome hell, the wish is cutie revolution>世界は闇に 脳裏のリズムThe world in darkness, rhythm of the mind>全力で突き進めばいいのキューティ革命You should proceed with all your might, cutie revolution>世界殺戮 今度は水中World slaughter, this time in the water>ここは冷てー!It's cold here!everyone who said mewmew wasn't a schizoboss was wrong, you were paying attention to the wrong text
Loli Kris status?
>>741963351More specifically, fans here consistently delude themselves into having secretly liked it this whole time. The Toby Engine is ceaseless in its work to keep a loyal fanbase otu of those who would hate it.
>can only wander around at night>black shards left at dark fountain locationsthe knight literally just looks like that it's a shapeshifting shadow monster that is weak to sunlight. at least the noelle/rudy/carol/papyrus/dess/etc. knight fags have been silenced at last
>>741963820Mad Dummy didn't know shit about what was happening but Mew Mew knew that everything was doomed. She just didn't have the voice to say itLike Kris
the character arcs happening is one thing. what's been pissing me off is how little context it gave. fellas, five sevenths is more than 70%. that's how far we've completed deltarune and we only have "theories" and no actual cohesive story. it really feels like my emotional investment for 7 years has been wasted.
>>741963820how was i supposed to understand that nigga? I don't speak in runes
>>741963681I love it when I'm completely serious yet end up called a shitposter or a troll. And by "I love it" I mean I'm devastated by it. But it's ok, don't worry. I will kill myself soon anyways.
>>741963803>still no substantial fanart of ItCome on, Internet, i know you can do it.
>>741963952Ok.
>>741963820AIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>chapter is so dogshit that even God is pissed off about itCannot make this shit up.
>>741962962Because Susie has always been out of the loop and in over her head. Everyone else: Kris, Ralsei, (you), are all operating at a far higher level of awareness than Susie, so while she is girlbossing it up it doesn't really matterShe's not driving the story forward she's being driven forward
>>741962398Hell yes
>Drags you along for no reason>Won't let you hang out with Berdly >Does her cringe confession while Kris is face down >Throws her bitch's phone when her friend's dad is dying>Says she hated you because she wanted to scissor your friend>Cockblocks you from a catgirl because she's just a bitch>The lake you hung out at isn't your thing anymore, neither is the Dark World >Shuts the door in your faceIs it even possible to redeem her?
>>741963906the knight is an amalgam fragment of Kris/Noelle. Krisknight and NoelleKnight fags were both right
>>741964047i want to be mew mew and rim an anon....
The mantis enemies got robbed
>>741963820>Line about retaining your determination plays during the freedom motifKINO?
>>741964040Alright. Who got a hold on an earthquake machine?
CAST YOUR VOTE CAST YOUR VOTE
>>741964102>Tweet/newsletter out the sprite assets and general concept as cut content>hint at wanting someone to build a fight for her.>effectively say "hey my retarded team can't into a bullet board for this guy, anyone want to make a fanfight that i'll put in?">Team tranny reduces grooming on discord by 1 hour a day and delivers on-time and on-budgetproducer-sama dropped the ball
>>741964087I’m unironically thinking this might be the case. It would explain why Kris is willingly to help. And it would explain the “Kris you promised…” line. They promised to protect her
Is @toby-fox-music a real Toby Fox YouTube channel or not
>>741962825on /v/ yes but not by muchthe first ~24h of reception for ch3+4 was endless whining that posters' individual insane theories weren't explored or supported by the new textthe most autistic speedreaders finish first just bear that in mind. and krusiefags (or krusie x player fags, and let's be honest there's a thin line between those two titles) are buttdevastated that the main route kruselle, which was confirmed in ch4, got rubbed in their faces in ch5.
>>741964145Forgot pollhttps://strawpoll.com/eNg6vawa8gA/results
>>741964119am i fucking deaf? i cannot hear the freedom motif
>>741963681Continue living in blissful ignorance while the real anons discuss what's wrong with the pacing / characterization of this chapter.
>>741963462>the real schizoboss was Hatsune Mikuoo ee uuu
Toby is a NIGGER KIKE.https://dic.pixiv.net/a/バウムクーヘンエンド>An ending in which one of two close characters—who seemed destined to end up together—instead winds up with a completely different partner.>This term refers to a narrative outcome where one member of a pair—who seemed destined to end up together and were widely recognized as close—instead winds up with someone else. It is also sometimes written as "Baumkuchen End" (extending the second vowel sound).>There is a specific reason for the name "Baumkuchen." It describes a scenario involving a very close pair—the kind of duo people would comment on by saying, "They're really close," or "Are they dating?"—where one marries someone else. The other is asked to give a speech at the wedding reception, which they handle tactfully and even humorously, only to return home and eat the wedding favor—a Baumkuchen cake—all alone.BEHEAD TOBY
>>741964081>>Says she hated you because she wanted to scissor your friendTHIS DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE KRIS AND NOELLE WERE EXPLICITLY DISTANT AND NOT TALKINGGGGGGGGGGGGG
>>741963938Yup, we're 2/3 of the game,and we have no idea what's going on. I'm tired. Undertale was a very important game to me and maybe it's better if I forget about Deltarune. This game isn't isn't as meaningful and impactful as it could have been.
>>741961348Is the asmongold fandom doing ok?
>>741963876
>>741961249PROCEED YOU SLUT
>>741964218https://youtu.be/U1vbwgIk5_8?list=RDU1vbwgIk5_8&t=118
>>741963997What's 'substantial' to you?Or do you mean you just want lots of art of the scene?
https://files.catbox.moe/6we34n.mp4small secretmy fingers are broken from hopschef maxxing so i dont know if theres any beyond itif youve never seen this, maybe you could try to hit it more and see if theres any different text?
>>741964229why is he like this?
>>741962121after teh EQUIP scene the game cuts to black and enoigh time has passed for Carol to come back homeKris begged her to stop the whole time without (You) saying it for himHE was the raped
>>741964294FRIEND.
>>741964223Ironic post
>>741964302>mfw
>>741962121Her tickling him in retaliation for his pranks
>>741964087>>741964170I also think this is probably the case after this chapter, it makes more sense than dessknight. Weird route where you don't abort but skip to the other side ends up in a kris/noelle fusion somehow.
>>741964250Susie fell in love because Noelle gave her a pencil. Noelle would also give Kris pencils. She assumed it was romantic I guess
>>741964294It's FRIEND and supposedly triggers some flag within your save upon hitWhat it does? Nobody knows yet.
>>741964229it's over
>>741964294please clap
so the newsletter was referring specifically to ch5's weird route>happens solely at the lake>any answer that mentions the dark world got a "I have some bad news for you" because it gets skipped entirely
>>741962508>Asriel when a near drowned Kris and Noelle suddenly manifest at his front door
>>741964330what the fuck?
>>741964357I'm am cheesed to meet this one
>>741964229but...there's THREE of themthey all eat the cuck cake
>>741964229I fucking hate Toby now, what the fuck This shit is so malicious
>>741964330here is a webm (sped up a bit)anyone should see it if they havent already, so if you load your last save you should be able to
So the next part of the weird route is definitely for sure going to get really weird right?
>>741964317thank you for spoonfeeding. small ears, please understand
>>741963997If you mean porn, we got our first CH4 rapening porn that wasn't just MSP scribbles 3 days after chapter release. So wait one more day before complaining.
>Chapter 6>Susie and Noelle go to a dark fountain without us >we bring Berdly along to be the replacement Susie >use his feather to do 2D shit again
>>741964357Sex with Orange
I need a clear pic of the last noelle portrait of the drowning scene. Looked cool.
>>741964317Ok Toby you reddemed yourself
>>741964421>People were hoping for Kris to see Dess corpse or something at the lake with haunting music>And the bad news being that the flower shop got burned down/Noelle snowgraved the whole castle townkek
>>741963820And people were shit-talking my girl mewSHE IS SCHIZO BOSS MATERIALSHE JUST COULDN'T SPEAK HER DARK TRUTHS
>>741964523Made for belly bulging sexo with cumflation
>>741964421>Anyone who answered beneath the lake got an email 2 days later asking if they liked it
>>741964482anyone know if you are able to kill it?
Man I really hope we get to ice Dess in front of Noelle
>>741964330what?
>>741964229fuck
>>741964482>yea....What did she mean by this?
>>741964597Based tags, agreed
loli loli loli
>>741964330>>741964482DOUGHCHAD I BEG OF YOUKILL THAT BRATTY ATTACKIT NEEDS CORRECTION
>>741964081>>741964250>>741964229>KILL TOBY FOX…>KILL TOBY FOX
>>741962398>Pink being super enthusiastic about it while Mad looks pissed off but secretly enjoying ityes please
>>741964229Oh, that's fucked up.Toby knows what he's doing.
>>741963820I speak English, motherfucker
How much do you want to bet that Susie and Noelle's rooms are connected just like Kris and Susie's rooms were in Chapter 4.
>>741964674
>>741963820
>>741964330What do you get for hopschef maxxing anyway? i suck at that game
>>741964482>>741964330the door is Garden -> "Near Shrine"
I have a feeling that the town is a simulation - a Truman Show experiment - in the early days of the Underground with efforts to see how reintegration with the world above would turn out.Monsters that aren't shown are either previously deceased, have yet to be made or worse.Under the 'town' is a stockpile of reanimated flesh being weaponised for experimentation.
>>741964760I wish we could kill this gay nigger
>>741964762If she was supposed to represent Kris as a child I totally get why Dess and Noelle did what they did
>>741964229>pink and yellow just meant cuckoldry all alongFUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>741964794This would be extra hacky, even for Toby
>>741962121I genuinely believe in some kind of memory suppression theory now, some kind of Silent Hill mindfuckery shit where the actual truth is that Noelle was always the manic forceful one with shady tendencies but we're currently viewing it through the lens that all of that was coming from Kris instead
>>741964596Actually kino>Mad dummy shitting all over its host, invalidating it as stupid and not worth listening too>Mew Mew trying to warn you about the roaring beneath the lake and not to give up hope but because its all in japanese (hard to hear for japs too), everyone invalidates it and treats it as not worth listening too, just like Kris
>lol Kris you know where the spare key is>silly you need to charge your phone more>Kris could and Susie could have joined in tooSo did you guys read the intro scene as "Toby trying to damage control after people's reactions to chapter 4" or "Toriel is making excuses for acting like a drunken mess last night"? I want it to be the latter because I like Toriel as a realistic and flawed character instead of the precious sweet cinnamon roll mama that some people proport her to be.
>>741964763I got a 5.8 second time and there was nothing more than flowery dollars
>>741964327Yes.>>741964509I dunno man, the weird route was the first thing that people discovered, yet the aquaphilia community seems to not even have noticed it. I was hoping there would have been by this point something inspired by the pool scene of Denji and Reze in sketch form.
>>741964763just gold
>>741964421Grossbros.. what does it mean?
>741963614>Rudolf is Japanese
>>741964208That's not the eye poll
>>741964330This is the weirdest ralsei expression ever
>Noelle replaces Kris in the gang next chapter>Noelle take your sword
>>741964829Just Noelle since it shows she was the one wanting to pair up with Kris by mimicking Dess and AsrielDessriel got more confirmed than ever
>>741964229so we've established he knows and is doing it on purpose, the following question is whether he's making the joke out of actual malice or to poke fun at something that he's planning on making go purposefully wrongbecause one makes him a massive asshole to a good portion of his own fanbase (because even some yurifags were shipping kris with susie and noelle), and the other makes him a keikaku doori mastermind who's making you feel what kris feels on purpose to help accentuate what's happening between them
>>741964229https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/50041755Pink and Gold
>>741964330>>741964482>>741964912this is genuinely unsettling, what the fuck does it mean
>>741962291>theirKys
>>741964940>The meaning behind pink and gold was just cuckoldry
>>741963938half of Undertale's story was revealed in the last hour or so (true pacifist) and the other half was revealed POST-CREDITS.the latest chapter was five or six hours long if you did all the content. if the next two are as long or longer, then there's ten or twelve hours left in the game at least.the pre-release material for chapter 5 directly implied that this is the last "normal" chapter before all hell breaks looseI am begging everyone who thinks that time is running out to "answer" all the "theories" to calm the fuck down >it really feels like my emotional investment for 7 years has been wasted.it's not wasted, the game is not over dude. you need to think of this as a 30 hour RPG that happens to be getting released in bits and pieces because that's what it is
>>741964912I believe it is a reference to an /a/ meme. I do not know which.
>>741961249Your game is gay and cringe I ended up visiting one of your threads just to let you know, deltatroons.
>>741964229
>>741964760This blue faggot never actually says anything, it's all hollow garbage
>>741964742>susie and kris only dip their toes into the water>kris and ralsei submerge themselves up to the neck>susie carries noelle in the water until anke/shin height, noelle does not get wet>noelle grabs kris' hands and, walking backrounds, marches into the water until it's over their headswhat does it mean?
>>741964848Might hold some water given that susie says noelle likes horror movies when walking around the festival in weird route
>>741964720Imagine you go there and Kris' room is gone because they needed the space to make Noelle's
>>741964229The inferno of jealousy wasn't Asgore, it was Kris. He's gonna fucking snap and get rid of us
>Release day>Play from my normal route save file, obviously>Play until the Orange section beginning>Disappointed because of extreme lesbianism and a literal gaynigger>Next day>Decide to do a bit of Weird Route as a palette cleanser>It's kino of the highest orderI'm not even mad that Weird Route is on pause because this scene was so fucking good. Now I just need to beat the secret and then final boss of this chapter and I can start using /v/ normally again. Also, have a song I like that reminds of the Weird Route:https://youtu.be/K6DEcVV3Lds
I DONT CARE ABOUT SHIPPINGI WANT SCHIZO SHIT
>>741964229I can't believe we're getting bumcucked
>>741964912>>741964991is it agni face?
>>741963820>I'm just a cute catgirl that wants to date I swear im not schizophrenicFUCK YOU AND FUCK YOU ESPECIALLY MAD DUMMY
>>741964823>>741965001Why do you hate the glorious ZESTY blue flower?
>>741964421Don't forget>The place where it snowed>You know that isn't until later.
>>741964858Obvious damage control
Did Onionsan deserve his fate?
>>741965026baptism
>>741964848>Deltarune is turning Lynchian with the doppleganger stuffMay I say KINOOOOOOOOOOO
>>741964912>It's an expression of pain
>>741964421Actually, it's very interesting not for the lake stuff, but for where Noelle smiles since it confirms future Noelle scenes:>She will smile in the diner/Ice-e place>She will smile in the hospital, where the plan MAY be aborted>She may smile in the graveyard, where one of the graves can be pushed for a secret... and, SNOWGRAVE>she will smile when it snows later>she WILL NOT smile in the Dark World, "I have some bad news for you">"do you REALLY want her to smile here?" used for Shelter
>>741964823>>741965001Blue being a big zesty nigga twining romantic about love and shit all the time just makes sense to me desu.Blue in undertale was a massive cocksucker who was so full of LOVE his tutu got very dusty :)
>>741964929The shit gang is going to self destruct in chapter 6This is unsustainable
I don't care that you broke your elbow!
>>741965059>[spamton begs the audience to stop taking furniture out of his room]
>>741965083i don't think so, he would've just dropped it right in
>>741964869I saw this one posted here before, and I saved another with Noelle, but I wouldn't say it's Reze inspired, rather just Noelle in the water with her hands out towards you
>>741964794I was thinking more like Harvester except Kris isn't a pedophile
>>741964848All we have is Kris's perspective of things, he's constantly twisting the players perception of the narrative and lying to us.
>>741965067>Weird Route is on pausewhat did i miss?
>>741965070Monokuma Annoying Dog gives me HOPE the biggest, most awful, most tragic event will finally happen in Castle Town.
>>741965234Play the fucking game, nigger.
>>741964858It's pretty obvious that Kris did it intentionally to paint himself as unloved, for whatever reason
>>741964848>Noelle looks WAY more like ICE-E nowThe evolution is almost complete
>>741963765we force him to hang around her they grew distant for a reason
>>741964229>Toby is 100% doing it on purpose It keeps getting worse...
Okay, so if I understood it correctly, the optimal solution to Roaring Knight problem is getting rid of Holidays, right?
>>741963902I enjoyed all the chapters at the moment of release though, I just liked 5 the least since 1.
>>741965026Noelle grabbing Kris' hands and dragging him through the water is also reminiscent of Ralsei doing it with the spikes.
>>741964330>>741964482>hidden boss is pink>there's a hidden gold bullet patternwhat does it mean
>>741964929Its a bit of both. Dark humor and character development that will lead to the fun gang tearing apartYou had your final feel good chapter, time for miserykino. After all, you agreed to this, no?
>>741965268https://youtu.be/JlkBbb7SKyA
Man I just wanted Kris to have his dino gfWhy does he gotta get cucked like that, this is depressingI gonna go fap to Mizzle to forget about that shit
>>741964989i would refute that undertale posed new story questions in the same breath that it answered them that late in the plot. the game was designed so that you would never know the true story if you entered unspoilered and played a neutral route. that's different than setting up multiple story questions with only tension and no clues until the very end.
>>741965198god I can see this happening>sorry Kris we took X from your room not like you ever use it teehee
>>741965060But we're not the one cucking him, we're with him all the way
>>741965093
>>741961249Is the ring fucking with her head or did the experience give her the confidence to "take off her mask" to Kris?Is it that she is "free" now? How did the thorn free her?The most striking thing about her new sprites is "hatred". She looks to contain profound hatred for the world around her.
>>741965198GODDAMMIT TOBY YOU BETTER NOT
>>741964229the ultimate and final cuck
>>741964229So THAT is what Tree Cake means, shit will go down.
>>741965301Actually, the solution is sex, with all of the female characters.
Not really sure what the knight's motivation is still. Surely if they just wanted to start the roaring then they wouldn't allow the player to continuously seal fountains. And if kidnapping were the objective, why not do so in chapter 1, 2, and 4? You could argue that they wanted to get Toriel in 4, but then Sans got in the way, but that still doesn't explain chapter 1 and 2. Does something happen when fountains are sealed that I'm forgetting? Maybe the knight just wants a really big castle town? But then why kidnap people?
>>741965060>He's gonna fucking snap and get rid of usHe should let us HELP cause problems.
>>741965131kek
>>741964330I'm surprised at how many people didn't find thisI think it's just a bonus moneybag enemy>>741964912It's the expression of making a bad pun
>>741964848>"the actual truth is that Noelle was always the manic forceful one with shady tendencies">Dess is gone, but her belongings are just left in her room, not even gathering dust>Nobody ever mentions Dess outside of Noelle, and some Darkners who played with Noelle and KrisDecember is actually Noelle's suppressed alter ego. Even now, when she's broken free in the Werid Route, she just hasn't remembered yet.
>>741965262i play it but i'm not doing weird route, just curious on how it's on pause
>>741965362Top right is her reaction to my pp
>>741965362She clearly gained some kind of awareness of the world when she got a piece of (You)
>>741965362She looks more like her mom now
>>741965435
>>741964330I found this too, but didn't hit it enough to get any text.
>>741965362>Noelle become a schizo bossKino
my ARYAN opionion and rating of chapter 5Plus side>Fun gameplay, huge map with lots of hidden things, really fun gimmic>Beautiful visuals and overall nice music even if true bangers were missing to some degree>Angry Ralsei was fun >Asgore not just being a joke and getting character development was nice>Flowers were fun, some more than others but still overall nice>Hat Ralsei back is always nice>JEROJUST KIDDING>susie asking to walk her hjome and her home now being make believe land is pretty sad to see and will be a problem in the future>Nice creepy weird routeMinus side>Chapter really felt like a long massive buildup to what Asgore actually did but he just vagueposted instead which was pretty annoying actually>Chapter also felt like it was building up to some kind of confrontation with asgore, not a fight maybe but him just instantly dropping everything he has worked for for years just because kris was downed felt pretty weak, even if it ment he got development and will stop bothering Toriel it could have been handled better>I really dont care about shipping so half the chapter being thirdwheeling susies date with nothing happening was pretty lame>Tranny flower ruining yellowOverall the rating is2>4>3>5>1
>>741965335Kris should fuck DarknersThese real bitches ain't shit
>>741965198Is every single fucking line of dialogue this nigger spit out foreshadowing?
>>741964229Gerson told Kris his relationships would be fine.I'm still full of HOPE.
So...Susie's gonna die, isnt she?
>>741965198Kris literally is just spamton
>>741965301the Optimal solution is to throw a bunch of wall Darkeners at him since that fucked him up
>>741961249Niggers
>>741965501Yep. Every single line. Every new chapter just makes him a bigger and bigger knower.
>>741964858It's the latter and Toriel is a shitty mother but none of it will ever actually amount to anything in the story and she will never change
>>741961249I'm down with the sickness
>>741965335Kris needs his motivation to become Incel Hitler and drive all the monsters underground
>>741965362She knows everyone else is a fucking NPC and this shit is railroadedShe's "free"
>>741964229Close enough, welcome back Oersted
>>741964229sit through your parents divorce, watch your mother hook up with a deadbeat, your dad gets kidnappedwalk the girl you like home and she spends the entire time gushing about her crush. THANKS FOR THE MISERY SIMULATOR TOBY!!you piece of shit
>>741965198>kris will still hate us despite mew mew telling him to get over itis the affinity system still in the code? I savescummed to friendmaxx with susie and Noelle out of pity for kris.
>>741965536>Noelle might actually get a sprite like this when she calms down and you go through chapter 7 with herImagine the sex.
>>741964229King of ero games dude
>>741965362The experience in the Weird Route did give her confidence to finally break free.From her dialogue, you can gather she had amassed a profound resentment for Hometown - how they all just moved forward with their lives aimlessly after the tragedy that eventually defined her and Asgore's entire lives.But she just stayed Noelle, because she didn't have the confidence to break free. Until we made her do the impossible with the thorn ring.
Why is Spamton so perfect? Is it his great deals?
>>741965519>gets his dreams destroyed and then dies when their strings are cut Someone save this poor boy
HE'S IN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6tK8MdEH7Y>the breadcrumbs are possibly essential for going out of boundsso either>sans is intentionally helping the weird route along contrary to what people thoughtor>sans gave kris the breadcrumbs to force him and noelle to wrongwarp to some weird nightmarish purgatory world ala twin peaks
>>741964794I honestly don't think Deltarune/Hometown can be a FULL simulation per se, because Sans very obviously comes from some ultra-fucked timeline of Deltarune and is a very broken man trying to hide behind a facade of comedy Something about the setting is moderately fake, but it must still be somewhat real and physically tangible tooAlso even at my most cynical I feel like Toby is smart enough to realize that going full simulation would completely decimate any sort of investment in the characters or plotline, for all of that stuff about trying to see "Suzy" I don't think Toby would just sweep it under the rug by saying it's ultimately faker than fake
>>741965526If only we had someone capable of modifying world geometry on our side...
>>741965434>implying Asriel was dating a girl half his agefanbase would have a meltdown
>>741964229>NTRshit AND Troonshit in one chapterHe's letting his mask slip before the end
>>741964881Oh yeah, "gross". What the fuck was that? Just a lighthearted insult? "You're a pervert" / "but sure, that's what we've been aiming at all along"?
>>741964837Could be worse.Monsters learned to mimic human behaviour and speech patterns for the best odds of survival and they're stuck in a never-ending performance.
>>741964229Guys it's not that deep. The flowers were a wedding bouquet for Asgore and Toriel.
>>741965502>would be fine>literally tells him to move on and grow up when things get cold after you say "nowhere"
>>741965536>Don't you have a HUMAN SOUL?
>>741964081>Is it even possible to redeem her?No.
the final scene of chapter 7 is kris walking in on susie getting spitroasted by noelle & ralsei and then shooting himself
>>741965501Yes Spamton is literally the entire plot in one character
>>741961249SEX WITH SETH
>>741965630Hometown is a real place trapped within the confines of Deltarune the game.
>>741965514Yes.Do you still care about her?
What is the context behind Noelle’s crazy looking portraits?
maddie is LITERALLY me
>>741965362>>741965439>>741965459>>741965471>>741965486>>741961249I haven't yet seen anybody connect the fact that the ThornRing is a piece of a plant after we just had a dark world explaining that plants are neither Lightners or Darkners.What fucking plant is the ThornRing from?If Flowery can detect a grand primordial dark world beneath Hometown, and we keep seeing the "ROOTS" prophecy panel, I think we can speculate that the primordial dark world is connected to the ThornRing. Some entity down there may be what produces the ThornRing. Noelle wanting to go through the lake might be like a ring of sauron situation where it is calling Noelle down to it to be reunited.I really think there's something here. Also remember Ralsei's "..." if you ask him to equip the ring. After chapter 5 and knowing his knowledge of plants and his final title about how he's "watering their own thorns" as a dark vine, I think it's both possible Ralsei himself is a plant (actually this is almost guaranteed by Asgore saying how little he truly looks like a monster), and that he is more intimately aware of what the ThornRing comes from than he wants to admit.
The only thing I actually wanted from the chapter was a note gathering section where you really put shit together, not just a small section.
>>741965702We have Patchouli at home
>>741962121Noelle after Dess was gone was a complete and utter creepypasta cryptic chasing freak and she believed the only other person these strange occurrences happened to were KrisNoelle prob didn't think much of it but Kris was probably horrified about it.Noelle had Friend on her damn rooftop.
>>741965702Only if aqua joins in
>>741965676>Toxic sunflower seedsIts so over.
Is the lake scene the only weird route content there is or is it gonna get interesting later?
>>741964081Remember when she was supposed to be the "Bros before Hoes" best friend that would DEFY the prophecy?
>>741965501not just his lines
>>741965702she has a snoot
>>741964760>What is "love"!?Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me no more.
Pizzapants Which one should date himCatLizard Or have the pizza bro telling him he just got pranked
>>741964229>>741964940100% intentional
>>741964081What the fuck went wrong?
>>741965629Get this retard shit out of here
>>741965638It's to further clarify that the weird route isn't about romancing the doe (even if its scenes carry heavy innuendo). It's about FREEDOM.
>>741965638obviously it means get a room you gross perverts and stop flirting with your girl in front of toby
why would toby write this?
>>741965198How does Spamton keep winning
Mew Mew is a great schizoboss because her inclusion means more art of her.
>>741965362She sees a chance for freedomFree from her shitty pathetic lifeFree from constantly feeling bad about DessFree from this suffocating townFree... from merely being the meek NoelleIts... just past the lake. You merely need to hold her hand and spell the magic word.PROCEED
>>741965809Fuck...
>>741965735She's gone off the deep end. She's out of her gourd. She's a few clowns short of a circus. She's fucking cuh-razy.
>>741965596It feels like Toby watched TADC and went hold my sake and tried to one-up it
>>741965821give him his bbw
>>741964089I liked the idea some anon had of the body rimming while the spirit sucks
the "Lost Girl" in the code is Noelle's true self.Noelle was a gigaknower but got lobotomized into being another NPC Dess "left" after the tragedy. She's not dead. She's not unpersoned like Gaster because they all still remember her.
>>741962825Probably.
>>741965876I like her I just wish she was more insane
>>741965301Then solution is putting ladders everywhere. Ralsei had the right idea with his room.
>>741964229Toby really likes NTR, and that's been clear for a long time.
>>741964858half and half. It kinda makes sense for Kris to lie about the key, but I cant really excuse Toriel for putting so much stock into Sans' word>"yeah trust me, theyre just hanging out lol, its cool"like come on, the dudes still a complete fucking stranger regardless of how funny his jokes are
>>741965417Also, if Dess is the knight (which seems most likely barring some random off screen holiday showing up or something supernatural. We also had it confirmed that she only went missing rather than die), it's objective can't just be "finding dess" or bringing dess back to life, she's clearly still in town, even if only a few people know she is.So maybe something happened on "that day" that made her unable to stay in the light world for very long? Or something along those lines? There is some foreshadowing with dark world objects persisting in the light world (shards) so it doesn't seem entirely unlikely that a darkener could survive in the light world for a time under certain circumstances. So maybe they do want to start the roaring to merge the light and dark world? But then surely they must also know the player will close the fountain, going back to my first point
>>741964229I'm starting to believe in the Prophecy mindbending theory. Something ain't right this chapter.
>>741964229>Andrew Hussie's finest student has decided to pull off his very own Karezi/Davejade ship sinking
>>741965859>>741964229ntr
This chapter is pure comedy gold. Somehow it just keeps getting worse
>>741965846She slept in the Dark World.She went darker than dark, and she's gone.
>>741965362We gave her a taste of power and freedom. She's aware everyone else is NPCs and wants some more of that sweet sweet freedom sauce
>>741965851the only retard here is you
You thought I was the raped ?faha... fahahahahaha !!
I hate that the song "flashback" was used at all in chapter 3. That song was really creepy as a weird route exclusive and it being used outside of it takes away a lot of impact from the new weird route song sounding like it
There's now an unused weapon for Noelle in the game's files. It seems to be like a normal route version of the ThornRing, intended to be obtained during chapter 5.>GildedRose>Armour rings with a rose motif. Any thorns are pointed outwards so you don't hurt yourself.>sell price: 555.5 D$
>>741965927Dess is gone, the knight is just a shadow crystal embodiment of Dess's lost dreams and regrets haunting the town
>>741965571Anyone can become a king of cucks
>A thematic mirror of Kris and (You)>Down to fuck>Understands everything, doesn't care and still hold onto hope>Actually hotKneel
>>741965234You're the one doing the cucking but it was too kino so no more weird route until chapter 7
Now that I think about it I wonder if Susie is based on Dela from Brandish, they are somewhat similar in personality
>>741965927Since Shadow Crystals are "broken dreams" and the Knight seems entirely made up the same material, I'd wager it's not entirely Dess but a Flowey-like entity made of her remnants/dreams/tears.
>>741965735she's becoming a feedompilled schizo
>>741965714>>741965630I've been Hometown is some kind of containment zone for the fucked up shit brewing underneath. This has more credibility now after what Flowery says before dying.
If Side B is about how Deltarune is a videogame and everybody's just coded to do what they do and that's the prophecy, well like, what's the point? What is Noelle going to do differently?
>>741965916I'm going to be insane, and by sane, I mean Mew Mew.
>>741962962Yeah, I think people liked Susie simply because they thought she would've been their girlfriend. When that illusion got shattered everyone immediately turned on her. The key to "girlboss" writing is to have her always be our bro otherwise the audience will hate them.
>>741965571>>741965627People will force this meme and then Kris will not give a shit in chapter 6.
>>741965921Anon.... that's a stepladder
>Turns out, I am the flower man stuck in an asylum (4chan) bruning with envy (from getting cucked by a fucking deer)Tricked again
>>741965754>Makes her look cuter in the ugly sprites>Makes her look ugly in the hot spriteWhat the fuck man.
Please let me kill Susie.No, not in a Dark World. I want to stab this cunt in the heart in Hometown.
>>741965950Now all we need is a suselle-sucks.
>>741964912Ralsei at his Arthur-est
>>741966045You're supposed to be mad she isn't Spamton G. Spamton.
>>741965123In Noella in Weird Route in love with Kris or (You). Can she even see the distinction?
>>741965571I think I should play Live a Live.
>>741965910>She's not unpersoned like GasterRemind me, is there anyone in the game who is confirmed to remember Dess besides Noelle?
>>741966094So? What's the difference? You need to stop judging things based on narrow-minded cultural assumptions, anon.
>>741966073>what's the point? What is Noelle going to do differently?Gltich the game mechanics so you can access dark world mechanics in the light world and kill everyone in town alongside Susie and Ralsei, breaking the game
>>741965362>>741965973OK so how do Ramb and/or ERAM know about "the forbidden path begins with ice magic"?What is the forbidden path? Is that still part of the prophecy as an alternate solution?
>>741965735(you) finally broke and corrupted her
>>741965793You can go through the festival with Susie on the Weird route and you'll get some good Krusie moments, and some observations like how the Goner bird dude wasn't actually at the Festival in the Weird route or Rudy having fell off the stairs
>>741966087Ah yes, the face of not giving a fuck...>>741965859
>>741965362>Is the ring fucking with her head or did the experience give her the confidence to "take off her mask" to Kris?She's always been into horror movies and creepy scary things. And breaking games to find glitches or secrets. Now that her world is going batshit insane with some 4th wall breaking demon fucking with her head, she's deciding to embrace it. Weird Route Noelle is like those girls that tried to kill and sacrifice their friend for Slenderman, except in this case less stupid because the Slenderman equivalent actually appeared to her.
>>741965859am i the only one who interpreted this as kris being upset because he's still trying to protect noelle from all of this but is failing to instead of some NTR self-insert tranny fantasy. is it because i'm not a mentally retarded self-insert latinx tranny?
>>741965793If you stop midway through crossing the lake you get shunted back into the game and Noelle is still permanently mindbroken.
>>741966016>Pointed outward so you don't hurt yourselfThis bitch only got ONE finger or what?
>>741964229>the entire Chapter 5 is about cuckoldryLMAO my fucking sides
Alright, so we mindbroke a doe to drown us in a lake.What was the plan here?
>>741966094SHUT UP MAYA!
>>741966085>Yeah, I think people liked Susie simply because they thought she would've been their girlfriend. When that illusion got shattered everyone immediately turned on herThe problem was that she stole the OTHER prospective girlfriend AND betrayed the bro code at the same time.
if it's any consolation anons, you are not alone in thinking there's something seriously wrong with Susie
>>741963901Winning thanks to Aqua.
>>741961249Why does he look like a 'jak?
>>741966073Its not literally a video game I thinkFlowey and Ralsei explain the video game stuff is just abstractions of the dark world.
>>741965910>both Asriel and Dess conveniently missing from Hometown>the ONLY other true gigaknower is Kris
>>741966045Susie says you can't have her, sorry
>>741965859Because like all yuriroaches his actual fetish is NTR
>>741966203I think you're so mindbroken you can't even speak straight.
>>741966029It could be that, but we still haven't seen evidence of actual darkeners being able to persist in the light world. Of course it's entirely possible they can do, I'm not denying the possibility, I'm just more inclined to believe that dess is still alive rather than just dead since that makes more sense with the rules we have.
>Long dark hallwayOh yeah.It's kino time.>>741961249That sequence got me stiff
>>741966062I read that as femdompilled
>>741966237>so obvious even xitter is being suspiciouslmao
>>741966178Tenna
>>741964229Kriselle got cucked by Suselle...
>>741966268it's a perfectly coherent sentence if your first language isn't portuguese
>>741966178Carol and Rudy.Kris.Tenna.
>>741966148From her dialogue she seems to still think it's Kris, just that he changed. Whether on Normal or Weird routes she does seem to hold some sort of longing for Kris from when they were kids
>Every good art I'm seeing is in the weird routeThe people have spoken. Weird route is the only route worth playing.
>>741966003>DESS YOU WILL RAPE KRIS AND I WILL BE WATCHING YOU BOTHHot damnI never thought dess rape could get even hotter
>>741966148she can tell when Kris is speaking or it us making him speakhonestly would be cool if we end up possessing her and on encountering Susie + Ralsei when we make her speak they instantly clock something is fucking wrong because the way she speaks sounds like how Kris mostly did
>>741966178 (Me)I have reminded myself, Tenna knows her
>>741966085>The key to "girlboss" writing is to have her always be our bro otherwise the audience will hate them.>People hate a cunt who would take up screen time, be extremely annoying, or unfunny & cruel for zero reason besides sadism.No shit, that rant isn't even about Susie, it's about characters in general. Most people fucking hate being forced to be near assholes. If Susie never stopped acting like her bully self, she'd be fucking hated even more.
>complete chapter 7 side B>insert chapter 1
>>741966292MY KING
>>741966203you are really dense and a bit stupid yeah
>>741964229Of fucking course Toby, in his quest to become more Japanese, developed the absolute worst possible fetish that they all love over thereActually gonna firebomb his house
>>741963765Normal route Noelle has apparently grown up to be a very different person to when they were kids, there's basically zero trace of the domineering gremlin she apparently used to be. Kris doesn't like her but she's not doing any of the things that made Kris pull away from her in the past either, it's pretty easy to at least get along without drama in that situation.
>>741966237>oh wow susie and noelle are acting so weird and eerie guys!>I know! it must be the prophecy that is mind controlling them to get into awkward yuri moments!this is sad, be better.
>>741964229Let us all praise our glorious "King of Ero Games"!!!
>>741966261yurighoulsdevours and ruins while hoping it spreads as much as possible anything in their pathand yetit isneverenough
>>741966306>This musicALL I CAN THINK ABOUT ISMIDNASPHATASS
>>741966258Oh, the girl that's stuck in the closet and unwilling to face the truth outside of it!
>>741966183We don't know. The forbidden path probably breaks the prophecy only to result in something much worse
>>741966292Omega flowey kicks the FRAUDing knights ass
>>741966357Normal route is a kinda boring typical story overall, weird route is kino that breaks the story
>>741966376>Insert Chapter 0
>>741965478>text is red and green...mother fucker
Do you guys think we'll be treated to seeing this side of her by chapter 6 or chapter 7 Side A, or is this Side B exclusive? Honestly bros I thought this chapter was mid but I do genuinely believe there remains a ton of potential for the last two chapters...The problem is it's kinda really needed for Noelle to reject Susie eventually, because we need a source of drama/angst and reason for one or both of them to go off the rails, and I'm not sure Toby's up to it.
>>741965903Best option Not only she is honest but she genuinely likes him
>>741966237Toby writing is so bad even the normies noticed lol
>>741962121She used to watch when Dess would touch Kris
>>741964081>Cockblocks you from a catgirl because she's just a bitchContext? Did I miss something after her fight?
>>741966418I never said that you slobbering retard. I think the prophecy mind control cope thing is retarded too. That doesn't change the fact that she's acting different and fucked up. It's very much intentional and people are noticing
Thanks Toby for red pilling an entire generation about yuriniggers (even if it was unintentional)
>>741965859Shes a retard she's falling for the prophecy. You niggers all got tricked because the prophecy used the BUSTER symbol for the 4th member so you thought he was talking about the same girl even though it never made sense. When put in proper order the prophecy reads like this:>THE FIRST HERO.THE CAGE, WITH HUMAN SOUL AND PARTS!>THE SECOND HERO.THE GIRL, WITH HOPE CROSSED ON HER HEART.>THE THIRD HERO. THE PRINCE, ALONE IN DEEPEST DARK>AND LAST, WAS THE GIRL. AT LAST, WAS THE GIRL.Noelle and Susie changed places in the prophecy, she was supposed to be the 2nd girl, not the 4th. Noelle in her blog also mentions the Dragon Blazers dungeon of the ice palace requiring a 4th member so this lines up.Susie has fucked up by following the prophecy just now.
>>741961249I LOVE TV>>741964047the claws are absolute peak>>741964040but toby is not japanese, he just pretends he's one
>>741961249It just hit me ralsei sabotaged us by not using his fire magic against the knight in chapter 3. Fucker should be a roasted corpse by now.
>>741966467Nah, that's just chromatic abberation.
>>741966203Kys retard
>>741966376>Insert Undertale
>Suselle dies the nanosecond it's canonized
>>741966462The day before? I suppose we would see Kris sneaking out to make a Dark Fountain in the closet...
>>741966538get a job, pablo
>>741966442I still think Flowery should've been the schizo boss because he fits so much on attaining freedom in a way
>>741965198Every chapter we're reminded about how horrifying Spamton is. Dunno how much Kris knows but the yelling after the fight just gets more justified
>>741966448Normal route still has plenty of kino when it was focused on the schizo secret bosses.
>>741964229>Toby confirmed to have an NTR fetishThis is the dev you guys have been sucking off for years?
>>741965910The Lost Girl in the code is still Dess anon. She's not forgotten but she's stuck in the eternal darkNoelle would be together with Kris if she was the lost girl.
>HA HA HA ... THIS POWER IS>FREEDOM.>I WON'T HAVE TO BE> JUST A PUPPET>ANY MORE!!!!>OR... so... I... thought.>WHAT ARE THESE STRINGS!?> WHY AM I NOT [BIG] ENOUGH!?> It's still DARK... SO DARK!>KRIS.>KRIS.>KRIS. >KRIS.>THAT'S RIGHT.>YOU.>I NEED YOU.>TO BE BIG.>WITH ME.>VERY VERY BIG>SO BIG WE'LL STAND UP TALL AND SEE >PAST THE DARK>STAND UP WITH OUR HEADS IN THE >CLOUDS AND LOOK INTO>H E A V E NAm i insane or does this mirror chapter 5 weird route??
>>741964663She's a based yeah poster
>>741966554Canon yuri/yaoi always sucks. That's why yuri/yaoibait is the most popular form of it.
>>741966548The fact that there's even a 0% chance of this happening. It would be kino but i also don't think people would be happy about being forced to buy a game they don't have, even if realistically buying a sequel to a game you should have it
>>741966342No, "instead of some NTR self-insert tranny fantasy. Is it because I'm not a mentally deranged self-insert latinx tranny" is legible. I'm saying you can't speak fucking straight.Most of these are buzzwords.You're not even replying to anyone, so this is taking place entirely in your own imagination. It's a bunch of arguments and insults aimed at nobody.You'd have to be completely and utterly mindbroken to formulate a thought and then conjure up some imaginary person who might be mad at it.
>>741966548>Toby finally mastering lock-on technology the way god intendedWould legitimately redeem him
>>741966548>hard mode unlocked
>>741966203It is partly about that as well. But the major thing is their friendship getting sidelined because of Susie getting tunnel vision for Noelle.
>>741966016...with the Lake scene introducing wrongwrap, how likely are we to explore past chapters with Noelle?
>>741966517He's living in Japan, retard
As much as this chapter continued the vagueposting king shit, I truly believe Flowery is one of Toby's greatest writing successes of all time.I begin with feeling my skin crawl seeing him, I hated him when I was supposed to hate him, then I came to understand him, and finally I cheered for him to beat the impossible odds against him.And his theme is one of Toby's greatest boss themes. This is the first chapter that the main boss theme utterly mogs the secret boss theme. (TV Time and Black Knife are close to each other)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWf9_qSrnOM
What did kris even do to deserve literally anything he's gone through
>>741966584One of the schizo bosses is locked behind the weird route once agian
>>741966203>>741966342this guy knows what's up
No deep thoughts here but I just find it interesting that, knowing that Chapter 2-5 were originally supposed to be one package, that Toby always planned on Chapter 5's Weird Route having a massive cliffhanger that won't be answered till Chapter 7
>>741965859>why would toby write this?For the same reason he wrote this. It's his fetish.
>>741964229Drowning is a preferable alternative to NTR
>Green and Orange mentioned in the same context at the first Diner>Haha, Green-Orange, there's no way that's an intentional ZeroRanger reference>the guest bullet pattern designer worked on ZeroRanger
>>741966629you are clearly mad at it though, as is anyone who uses the term "buzzwords"
>>741966574If Toby really wanted to be subversive and break patterns, Flowery should have been both the main boss and secret boss. The secret boss fight should have just been a solo confrontation between him and Ralsei while powered up by the black shard.
>>741966493You can go back to the diner after beating Mew Mew because her body still wants to date Kris, and Susie basically shuts it down immediately
>>741966471>right before susie and noelle share a kiss after saving the world>noelle starts screaming that nothing has changed before she disembowels herself Infront of susie.kino
>>741966597If anything, it proves that having Kris and (You) can break free of the strings
>>741966174It’s great. You really should.
>>741966203Even if you bury the idea of Krusie and say they're purely platonic friends, it's obviously going to fuck things up when your best friend invites their partner into your intimate friend-only activities. So yeah in all interpretations, you're a retard
>>741966548>insert $5>DLCrune
>>741966554Suselle always sucked. The only people who support it do so solely for LGBT good boy points, not because its a quality relationship. The two gay side character knights are better than them
I like Flowery but I feel like he's missing something that stops him from being truly iconic. I don't know what it is exactly but he's lacking a certain je ne sais quoi
>>741966580He's truly <ourguy>, Deltarune wouldn't be the same without him.
>>741966749he's lacking glue
>>741964229LOL LMAO
>>741966680Like GENUINELYThis has to be intentionally bad right? It's genuinely made me prefer Noelle over Susie at this point, and I'm not even a Krusie guy.
>>741966376>insert your penis
>>741966597Every Spamton line is foreshadowing
>>741966642>I begin with feeling my skin crawl seeing him, I hated him when I was supposed to hate him, then I came to understand him, and finally I cheered for him to beat the impossible odds against him.how well this was done makes me cope even harder with prophecy psyop. Our bishe GOD knows he's doomed to fail, says it's worth a shot anyway.
>normal route soul is harmless and a nuisance at worse that Kris can keep under control>weird route soul completely shatters Kris to the point nothing they interact with has text and forces them out of bedThanks I hate it
i haven't seen a single redraw of the noelle sprites that aren't a massive downgrade. whoever made them (toby himself?) really captured something visceral
>>741962121What DIDN'T Noelle and Dess do to Kris is the better question
>inferno of jealousy>Raslei pointedly force himself to NOT use fire magic>Kris is the one trembling with jealousy all chapterComical.
>>741964229Not releasing Chapter 6 along 5 so we could have just a better explanation of what's going on is REALLY going to hurt him in the long term, this is downright malicious at this point, and honestly, it almost feels like he's purposefully doing this only so people can hate the characters enough to direct them to the Weird Route.No, seriously, what the fuck is wrong with the writing in Chapter 5? Noelle was once again reminiscing her childhood with Kris only to immediately forget about him, and Susie literally turned him into a third wheel.
>>741966632Fuck dude
>>741966791It's deliberate, Kris is getting pushed to his breaking point and his dark world acknowledges that
>>741966749It's the same as Queen and King, they don't freak out or crash out. They have too sound of a mind so they're "boring".
>>741966791>This has to be intentionally bad right? Yes.Why do you think the chapter is called the inferno of jealousy?
>>741966130And then have Toby set ICE on the blog's author
>>741961249Embarrassing tranny game
>>741966231Yeah, I forgot she did the unforgivable crime of "cucking" Kris.
asgore every chapter if he sidestepped knight
>>741966850Why didn't they swim? Were they stupid?
>>741964720>>741965059After the credits where it shows Susie and the rest preparing for Noelle you can see her sleeping in her room but you don't see Kris' side.
>>741966662Does anyone have the "YOUR LOG IS TOO LONG" screenshot?
>>741966597I've actually been thinking about this. Getting Kris's soul wouldn't help Spamton. It would be just another layer of being under control, by (You).
>>741966810>whoever made them (toby himself?) really captured something visceralit's usually temmie taking direction from Toby, if I'm not mistaken
>>741964229Do I kill Toby or the new producer that likes so much japanese culture?I'm not sure if it's all Toby or there's been some outside interference.
>>741966749nice post, Ralei
Oh yeah.Reminder that the shadow crystal just goes to the "strongest" darkner in each dark world, not the most schizo.At this point it should be clear that schizos obtain their knowledge some other way.Also the Knight gives them their crystals.
>>741966883I'm half-sure the real issue of people is getting the sacred friendship bond sidelined.
>>741966398STRAAAAAANNGEEE THINGS ARE HAPPENIN' TO ME
>>741966850>She's still screaming for it with her thoughts as her lungs fill with watercomplete ludonarrative synchrony
>>741966862I view it less as jealousy and more as Susie being an insensitive ass in that specific instance, but ok.
>>741966923Yeah but he wouldn't be just spamton, same reason Noelle needs Kris (us) to be someone else
>>741966642true, he was perfectly executed
>>741966807Don't fuck with demons Also Kris, Christ you need better friends
>>741966887they were trying to drown and / or reach something at the bottom
>>741966939>Do I kill Toby or the new producer that likes so much japanese culture?another fucking ESL beanerjesus christ, literally EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>741966567Does pose a great question. Why make a fountain in the closet? The two people who have made fountains so far are Kris and the Knight, and they're on the same team. So was stringing Susie along for an adventure part of some grand plan?
>>741966850Idiots, just walk around the damn lake.
>>741964229I think Toby should stop limiting himself to SFW games and finally make a full-fledged NTR H-game. He’s clearly itching to make one.
>>741965198>>741965059>Susie takes items from Kris' room to furnish Noelle's room>She also takes the Susie award star because le Christmas StarIt hurts just to think about.
>>741966512Really good artist who doesn't know what a deer is.
>>741966642thats mainly because this secret boss was a flop, though. flower man isn't that great
>>741967001Is there really no loli art of Aqua yet? I've been thinking about this from the moment I saw her.
>>741966956It goes to the darkners with broken dreams, Jevil's reality shattered, Spamton's career destroyed, Mew Mew not being able to live in her body without being possessed, The knight as the source.Gerson is the exception because he's based enough to realise that doomering is pussy shit
I want to get raped by Mad MewmewAlso uh someone tell me the Weird Route I don’t mind spoilers
>>741967041>Weird route corruption>All the different routes you can make with your choiceswould be kino
What are the chances that Noelle has to get fucking murdered in WR because of how out of control she is now?
>>741966850>Just starts screaming in her head because she knows (you) can still hear it Utter cinema
>>741967026The real ones are better, so who cares.So much fanart is drawn it's inevitable some will eventually mirror the real deal.
>>741965059>she cannibalizes both Kris' AND Ralsei's rooms to make one for Noelle>it falls flat immediately because unlike Susie and Kris Noelle has a room she actually likes in the real world
>>741966642I thought it was impossible that I'd ever fucking like this guy just because he's a "human" and I didn't want humans in my furfag game. But I repent. I fucking repent. Toby made me like humans.
>>741965624He unironically seems to be the most important character at this point. Everything this fucker said was foreshadowing for something and he put the entire weird route into motion. I love this evil son of a bitch
>>741967002>he was perfectly executed... by the knight
>>741966645He fought fate and it snapped a mousetrap on his cock.
>>741966749Spamton and Tenna were entertainingly sleazy schizos and hardly conventionally attractive. Meanwhile Flowery is an equivalent of a blatant industry plant
>>741967015It's grammatically correct if you consider "japanese culture" to be a collection of things
INEEDKITSUNEPUSSYNOW
>>741966919i wish i took a better one>>741966956Seams description of them sounds more like they form from the holder than get given
this is what I imagine Kris's psyche sounds like at all times now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWmuR-IDSi4
IT'S UPT'SUP
>>741967048>>She also takes the Susie award star because le Christmas Star
>>741966376>insert $300 to unlock a picture of Noelle and Susie fucking with all but their feet censoredYABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOO
>>741967094it's on YouTube but why don't you play it yourself? it's better that way.
>>741966993I mean kris is very clearly unhappy that both his childhood crush and current crush are dating. It doesn't take a genius to parse that.It doesn't take a genius that this is a conflict that's being set up and now Kris and Susie both have valid reasons to be upset at eachother.But anons are so traumatized from highschool that they assume that they're being cucked for good permanently and that it's toby's fetish or something, as if teenager love triangles don't happen all the damn time
>>741966580>YOU THINK MAKING [Frozen Chicken] WITH YOUR [Side Chick]>IS GONNA LET YOU DRINK UP THAT [Sweet, Sweet] [Freedom Sauce]?>WELL, YOU'RE [$!$!] RIGHT! BUT DON'T BLAME ME>WHEN YOU'RE [Crying] IN A [Broken Home] WISHING YOU LET YOUR OLD PAL SPAMTON [Kill You]He was always right
I don't understand how the writing of the normal route and the weird route can coexist.
>>741967181Why didn't we get another freeze shit chapter?
>>741961249Heh ...
>>741967135>Spamton, of all men who ever lived, you are the best.>May the hymn of The Angel sing thee to thy rest.
>>741967228Maybe it's two different people?It's very strange
>>741967135Do you think he canonically knows all the shit he says will come true or is it a cosmic coincidence?
>>741967156Gerson was given it by the knight, Spamton and Jevil seems to know about the knight. I'm guessing Mew mew got a hold of Asgore's black shard
>>741966791Toby told us that LIVE A LIVE inspired Kris ages no? Now we see whyHe's being scorned by everyone he cares aboutHe will go full Oersted>THE KNIGHT'S FOUNTAIN... YET THEIR SEAT REMAINS EMPTY...>Wanting for an heir...
>>741964858>"Toby trying to damage control after people's reactions to chapter 4"This. It's so fucking obvious.
>>741967181Fake image.
We need a Wholesome lesbian couple vs evil and intimidating heart meme
>>741967181the fuck is this.where?
People acting like Dess was a bad person for hitting Kris a few times when he was a prankster to Noelle is insane. Aqua's knife, and the way Noelle feels nostalgic about it, it's likely Kris had a Toy Knife with him at all timesThere's a stabbing sound in Asgore's flashback when the screen turns red. Someone got stabbed with a real knife. The only ones carrying weapons as kids were Dess with her bat and Kris with his toy knife.Asgore mentions a Dark Fountain was involved in what he assumes was the disappearance of Dess. We have the extra bits of the Lost children where the forest would grow, Asgore feels responsible because he lost the children out of sight. Something was behind that tree from the Dark World, during the therapy section that's what Kris drew. Kris keeps seeing that same tree in-between the rooms he alone accesses.The eggs are evidence for something. Make of that what you will.
>Kris has been reduced to a cuck who doesn't even get a say anymore when it comes to Noelle's invitation or preparing his own room, even though he's the only one capable of sealing the Dark Fountains.No, this is too much. He used to get on my nerves because he kept stopping me from choosing my own options, but now I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. He needs to give us full control once and for all.
>>741967223>But anons are so traumatized from highschool that they assume that they're being cucked for good permanently and that it's toby's fetish or something, as if teenager love triangles don't happen all the damn timeyes it's kind of sad to see
>>741966016...?Is it purely for Nosy People or is Noelle supposed to be in the Flower Kingdom? Is there a secret route we're missing?
>>741967223True, it's utterly cringe that we're this far in and fags are inserting their self insertion into actual serious plot discussion(not that self inserting isn't a theme in the story, but you get what I mean).
did you know 55% of lesbian relationships involve some form of domestic abuse?
>>741965629>sans is ness was wrong>because sans is actually nintenThis sounds as retarded though
>>741966749his style of humor isn't different enough from the rest of the humor in the gamejevil and spamton and tenna all had unique voices that stuck out, flowery is funny but his lines mostly feel like they could come from any random castle town npche's also just missing screentime because there's too many fucking flowers
>>741967313>more like the two mind controlled former friends stalking the MC and his buddy "YOU"
>>741967297If this is true, why is Susie allowed to be so obviously shook? I mean the ending of ch4 is obviously meant to make you dislike Toriel, Spamton all but spells it out
>>741967384I love asses drawn like this. So cute!
>>741966642I think he may be my second favorite character after Spamton
>>741967228>>741967269Side B is only compelling because Side A is so smotheringly sentimental. It's intentional contrast.>>741967230Chapter 2 speedran genocide references (Kris called for help! ...But nobody came.) ([4 LEFT]) (55 = LV) so people wouldn't keep clamoring for it. You gotta accept Side B is its own thing not genocide. It's not about "LeT's Go KiLl sOmE LiGhTnErS"
>>741964858Don't believe a single word that slut says. Just shut her up with your dick.
>>741966641that won't make him one though, you can live in japan and not be like toby>>741966642flowery seems alright but they tripled down on the troon slop this chapter, otherwise it's quite nice
>>741967421Because Kris doesn't want her to know, Kris isn't some perfect angel either, he wants his friend on his side despite intentionally going against her
>>741966085> When that illusion got shattered everyone immediately turned on her.I think it's more, as the Anon you replied to acknowledged, that it's less about>she won't fuck me and more that chapter 5 was a Kris humiliation ritual out of nowhere. If she wanted to fuck off from the main story to eat out doe derriere, that's her business, but having her suddenly drag Kris from place to place to wax endlessly about how much she wants to rim a reindeer while insisting Kris be around as a third wheel seems unnecessary. I could just be bro'ing it up with Berdly and Ralsei.
>>741967093>>741967156Spamton didn't have a shadow crystal. It was the Neo body. Remember? Meaning that schizo knowledge is simply a complete aberration in the first place. You don't need it for the crystal.And Gerson was given the crystal by [presumably the knight].Though at the mention of broken dreams, Gerson still fits. He wanted Alvin to continue his life's work, and he didn't because he thought he was a bad writer.And it still stands that those with shadow crystals are still the strongest for some reason or another.
>>741962121I think the Japanese localization has shedded some light on this. In Japanese proceed is translated into 前進 which means to physically move forward, which did not make much sense in chapter 4. I guess Toby specifically wanted this localization, and whatever stop and proceed originally meant for young Kris and Noelle must have to do with physical movement
>>741967223>But anons are so traumatized from highschool that they assume that they're being cucked for good permanently and that it's toby's fetish or something, as if teenager love triangles don't happen all the damn timeIt probably would be less hated if it weren't lopsided to shit. Like, genuinely, you are dragged into this, kicking and screaming, with Kris silently seething.
>>741967273He probably doesn't canonically know in the sense of having seen into the future or anythingSometimes you just know
>>741966203>>741966726thiseven if we assume kris is so aaaexual dickless homunculi it's fucked to say to your friend>this is our super special you & me friend thing you knowthen follow it up with>also we gonna (and by we gonna i mean i'm gonna) invite my new gf into it lolit's actually just disgusting behaviour, there's genuinely no way around it
>>741966531his fire magic is gay and fake like the flowers
>>741966885she'd probably be a better partner for him than whoriel
>>741967546>you're gonna carry that weight
You can give the honey toast to Asgore and he says some interesting things.>...remember how you two used to eat bread?>Fold it into quarters... take a couple bites, and...>See? It's kind of like a snowflake! Hahaha!>"Too many crumbs", your mother said.>But crumbs can come in handy, too. Can't they, Kris?https://xcancel.com/picrossdressing/status/2070538279103914406
I'm beginning to lose trust in Susie.
>>741967346>Just letting you know Kris, I've killed every monster before, if it comes to that.>Let's go fuck Mew Mew, alright champ?
>>741966749>cut dark world by about 20%>add a section after flowery in the extra dark world>he tries to help but because it's the knight's dark world his fake stats are useless and none of the darkners respect him>he breaks down in real time because flowers are useless>ralsei tries to cheer him up but he just pretends to feel better>cue "you can't beat a flower's dream" cutscene when you catch up to the knight
>>741962121I don’t really get the whole “Noelle was always bad” thing, Kris smiled when he spent time with her in chapter 2. And he cared enough about her to get rid of the thorn without our consent. So what’s the deal?
>>741966597yes spamton is yandere
kitsune darkners owe human men their pussy
Drawing
>>741964229>>741966840>Noelle was once again reminiscing her childhood with Kris only to immediately forget about him, and Susie literally turned him into a third wheel.picrel
>>741967517Right, forgot that it was Mettatons. I'm surprised no one clocked on, in retrospect not one person realised the true nature of the shards>The Lightner filled it with their own hope, giving it an incredible power.>... but, in the end, nothing ever came of it.>And it was left in the basement with the rest of the corrupted data.
>>741966531Ralsei makes it pretty clear that if he actually kills someone with fire magic then everything will get worse.It's why he's insisted on ACTing nonviolently since the beginning. If Ralsei uses his fire magic on a living creature or darkner it's gonna be a "no coming back" moment like freezing Berdly.
>>741963226I disagree.The general sentiment is that the chapter is a total waste of time because it dials back on the immediate plot developments of the last chapter..
>>741967537yeah and that's the point. The game wants you to feel what Kris is feeling i;e like dogshit. It's ludo but anons take it too personally, which I can understand, it hits very close home
>>741966597>I need you with me>We'll see past the dark>Stand with our head past the clouds and look into heavenWhat the fuck is this character
>>741967094>Someone tell me the Weird RouteKay>When with Noelle in Chapter 2, have her use ice shock to freeze all possible mobs>Get the ice ring from the salesman and equip her with it>Always select the PROCEED option and "Noelle will ride with me on the ferris wheel"Eventually you fight Berdley and can have her use a new move which basically kills him / puts him in a coma. Eventually you fight Neo Spamton solo and Noelle comes in to finish him off with Snowgrave>Fuck with her mind some more at the hospital. Bonus points if you have her watch equipped. Tell her it was all real much to her horror>Chapter 4 at her house the scene with her cozying to Susie is replaced with her cozying to Kris as off screen he tried to do damage control without your knowledge to save her from (You)r shenanigans>In a dialogue box you fucking teleport and re hijack Kris body to turbo mind fuck Noelle some more. Confirm that the whole event was real. PROCEED to imply rape her>Kris is fucking PISSED and starts walloping you (heart). Too late though>End of chapter changes where Carol calls saying Noelle just can't wait until the festival to go with Kris (she liked the raping)>The festival happens while you are clocked out. She goes with Susie and is more assertive with her on the romance but ultimately just views her as an NPC that "a Noelle" is railroaded with. She seems to have become more meta aware in some small capacity at this point>Meet her at the lake and she is simultaneously traumatized and hyped about it all finding (You) Kris (who she still thinks is Kris who just changed) breaking out of his role and being able to do something new and interesting. >She wants to do something crazy and basically break the railroading>You either go along with her and successfully break through the lake (unlocks Chapter 7B) or you almost drown by pussying out or failing to PROCEED hard enough. She's pissed/sullen being relegated to "just a Noelle" again.
>>741967083What do you mean? She has a lot of art?
>>741966885Never post this again faggot
>>741967528I don't know Japanese but the quotation on wiktionary doesn't seem to support the notion that the term only applies to physical movement.>to advance, to progress >2023 May 11, 山田勝彦, quotee, “第211回国会 衆議院 農林水産委員会 第9号 令和5年5月11日”, in 国会会議録検索システム[1], 国立国会図書館:>このように畜産現場への支援が前進していることは本当にありがたいことです。>Kono yō ni chikusan genba e no shien ga zenshin shite iru koto wa hontō ni arigatai koto desu.>I am truly grateful that support for livestock farming is progressing in this way.
>>741967116does kris share our ability to read minds?
>>741967620He truly is the vague king
>>741967665>Draws her like made of wood instead of having furFINALLY SOMETHING ACCURATE I CAN FAP TO
>>741967689No, I was definitely talking about this back in the chapter 2 to chapter 3+4 gigawait.But I don't blame anybody for just losing track of the giga schizotisms going on there.
>>741964858>oh you don't worry if your son/daughter is out late without having contacted you?>well that is silly im just going to lock the door and get drunk with a man my child will not recognizeya it was very heavy damage control, it actually made me cringe.
>>741966749He's lacking the novelty factor after being the 3rd Queen of the game.
>>741966850Now that's more like it
>>741967048>She takes the Susie awardFUCK that'd be a gut punch
I finished the collage. It might be too compressed and small to read.You can see the uncompressed collage here:https://files.catbox.moe/gbu86t.png
>>741966531>sabotaged usso did Kris, so...they're all in kahoots
>>741967603Uoh
>>741966949Why does yellow have Jerma proportions?
>>7419672284d chess>normal route is deeply unsatisfying and sucks>you want something better>just let your old pal Spamton set things in motion
>>741966219>drownThe soul is forcing them into the dark world underneath the lake
>>741967753You’re not wrong
>>741967123>Real ones are betterThe >weird one is still peak though.
Just finished the chappy.Was Susie overwritten by the Castle Town due to sleeping in it? Seam said something about not spending the night in Dark World, she does, and suddenly her whole character is altered. Now she loves Noelle while she had no sign of romantic interest before.Now she spurns Kris while he was her first friend, the reason her life turned around etc.Hell, the first section of the Dark World was highlighting the contrast between current and past Susie.Am I going crazy?
>>741967747Calling it now, you have to carry the drowned route through to 7, then loop back and proceed across the lake. The only way to get a 7B SAVE file is to intentionally drown
Does anybody know how to get to the lake?
>>741967871Finally, Undertale 2
>>741967620My vague king knows about the crumb glitch...
>>741967671Based!!!! Finally a loli from you!!!
>>741967732I agree with this anonand the suffering has only just begun
What happens when>you freeze berdly with snowgrave>you don't put the ring on Noelle in chapter 4>You go to the normal festival in chapter 5Is Berdly at the festival?
>>741966749honestly my issue is that they kept mixing in flowey references when flowery isn't meant to be him at allif he stood as his own character entirely, without all the OMEGA FLOWERY jokes, then him kicking the knight's ass for a minute and showing a REAL flower's power would hit much harder
>>741967747>unlocks Chapter 7BWhat does it mean?
>>741967647>Why did Kris desperately try to convince Noelle that none of that was real and take away the item that let her murder people? ESPECIALLY in the chapter where she talks about intentionally doing evil routes where she murders people to Susie, who admits that she only managed to stumble into accidentally starting them, and then quitting.And absolutely nothing happened with Susie and Noelle even though it's presented exactly the same way as Susie being horrified about something clearly being wrong in chapter 4.This is ridiculous, you can't be this dense even if you're one of those game not playing retards.
>>741967794
>>741967916>Ralsei and Susie immediately cockedblocked (you) and Kris from forming a deeper relationship with her and her body
>>741967445>It's not about "LeT's Go KiLl sOmE LiGhTnErS"what about slaughtering everyone in hometown in zelda though
>>741967223>But anons are so traumatized from highschoolPrimary school please, I had already given up in high school
>>741966073The "Deltarune" video game with its battles, mechanics, systems, etc. is the layer of abstraction below dark worlds (which is why sufficiently darkners can ignore it or modify it at will), which is the layer of abstraction below light worlds, which is the layer of abstraction below the survey-program/gaster/code/prophecy world, which is the layer of abstraction below the real world
>>741967671Please draw SethI know you won't disappoint with her
>>741967732if I had to guess, its to make you sympathise with Kris despite him doing all this shitty shady stuff in the backgroundI see why toby just wanted to release chapters 2-7 at once because the wait is going to create IRL schizo bosses who think kris's treatment is a personal attack.
>>741964229I wonder if actual susellefags are okay with this, even if you only care about them, you have to feel bad for your ship being used for NTR
>>741967910>Was Susie overwritten by the Castle Town due to sleeping in it? Seam said something about not spending the night in Dark World, she does, and suddenly her whole character is altered.
>>741967930>First you gotta proceed your car
>>741967223>no this bad thing will definitely be resolved in the future by something that isn't out yet>Just have faith that [thing that isn't out yet] will be goodFirst time?
>>741967135Literally the one (1) thing i don't like about Spamton is the scene in chapter 3. I think his story would be much more impactful if he died after his fight regardless of if you did spared or fought him
>>741967831Using NTR as a way of enforcing your lack of player choice and enforcing powerless onto the player is definitely a move.
if the mew mew x asgore guy happens to be here, i'm curious, what're you thoughts on that not being anything, but mew mew Krissy cutie being real (even if it gets cockblocked by susie and ralsei)?asgore's son has to count for something, right?
>>741964858i didn't even read it the first time around because the fact that the first thing she asked of me was to make her a toast pissed me off so much that i just made it then left with itto me, it is very clearly an attempt by toby to damage control the situation, but at the same time it just makes it worse because it DOES come off as toriel making excuses to justify and feel better about herself, very likely unintentionallyjudging by ch.5 it's clear that toby is an actual yurilard cuckold faggot so i wouldn't be surprised if you were supposed to laugh at the sans dance scene and it didn't even occur to him how fucking bad it and the followup of kris trying to sleep looked
>>741967910nah, bad writing, ignore the writing on the wall
>>741967831holy grim
>>741964720Hey look, Pink and yellow! Haha!And a third door going up or down depending on how you look at it.
>like Kris as a character>dislike seeing them humiliated>this makes me a self-inserter chudhm
>>741967223Stop fucking coping please. Nothing is going to be resolved
>>741965198LISTEN. IN THE [Deep Abyss] OF QUEEN'S [Mansion]The basement in Noelle's house has a background audio that matches the Depths you first encounter in Ch1 before reaching the Dark World
>>741967967Haven't personally checked, but he'd still be in the hospital, wouldn't he? In a comaThe only difference then would be noelle acts as normal, and you only did it to kill berdly lol
>>741968125Is it? It felt more fetishistic than anything else.
>>741967871Holy Toby
What if Chapter 7's Side B actually means you have to play an Aborted Weird Route all the way to Chapter 7 first, and then use that save to continue the Full Weird Route starting from the lake scene? What if we transferred that fully mindbroken Noelle into the Aborted Route save at the beginning of Chapter 7? Am I crazy?
>>741964958It was a golden ralsei phantom, therefore by kicking its ass for so long Ralsei is kind of scared.
>>741965268... or to bait Susie into the Church for the Dark World. Why does everyone forget this?
>>741967910Oh boy, Susie is gonna get even worse from now on, huh?She just slept in again.
>>741967910>Seam said something about not spending the night in Dark World
>>741967986Changing the face and removing the text would make this an absolute masterpiece
>>741968193Because Dess used to do her wicked shit in the ch1 dark world (asriel's dark world) at school, and at the basement in her own houseThere's a reason it's established that Kris went to primary school in the same fucking building just across the hall
>>741967910>goes from really not giving a shit about the festival or considering it a date to TIME FOR THE BIG DATE overnightwh-what did they do to her in there?
>>741967989Side B generally mean alternative route
>>741967751explain why he had an anime catgirl doll in his house then liberal
>>741967910Perhaps I misjudged that shady fuck
>>741967989We don't know. You just get a message saying "Insert Chapter 7 Side B" so supposedly it skips the remainder of Chapter 5 and 6 to jump to a "weird" endgame
>>741967910>Seam said something about not spending the night in Dark World, she does, and suddenly her whole character is altered.We might have a problem.
>>741964229everyone else is despairing over this, but honestly? this gives me hope.toby K N O W S kris is being cucked to death here. that means there's a nonzero chance we'll get to do something about, or that something will happen to just naturally fix it or something.i'm not coping you're coping
>>741967831>"How do I make the player feel completely and isolated and as if his choices don't matter?">"I know! I'll cuck him!"Bravo Tobias, you've won.
>>741967732Well I do hope this is the case, I hope Kris does get angry about it and show his feelings once and for all, because if Chapter 6 comes out and I have to sit through even more Suselle just like 5, with absolutely nothing to at least push back against it a bit, I think I'm going to have to hurt someone.
>>741968296she even says "hey im just doing this so we can get into noelle's house again" despite no effort being made to get into said house
>>741968209It is degenerate and he's probably jerking off to it but i'm guessing this is all part of pushing people into the weird route, by making the main route as horrible for Kris as possible, you can justify torturing them for something better
So we are meeting Gaster in chapter 7B right? if it is to be believed that they clipped out of bounds and got shattered across time and space?
>>741967910>Susie got clockwork oranged into being the prophecy's biggest yuri warriorI'm now convinced that there actually is some major brainwashing going on and the theory is not just cope
Apologize
>>741968296StopAskingQuestionsChudyou will not ruin this yuri romance for me, I refuse to let it go now that i have it in my hands
>>741967910>Seam said something about not spending the night in Dark World, she does, and suddenly her whole character is altered.
>>741964229Uh? What's that Susie? You want to BUILD a ROOM for my childhood friend Noelle? And you want ME to do It? Wait, you want to JOIN her room to YOURS? So you can have MIND-BLOWING LESBIAN SEX every single night? Yikes, Susie, that's...what's that? You want me to WATCH? I NEED to be there every single night so I can Fetch you WATER? I HAVE to sit in the corner like a good KEK eating MOSS while you eat my childhood bestie's deer pussy? Wait, you want me to RECORD It too?? I have to put my DRUNK SLUT MOTHER on silence so I can record you with my shitty Android phone she bought me after buying and iPhone to Asriel??? And I can WATCH them and let my ELDRITCH HORROR FROM THE GREAT BEYOND HEART force me to JERK OFF my dick to them when I'm ALONE in my room after helping the ROARING KNIGHT kidnap my DEADBEAT LOSER DAD?? Susie...I say PROCEED! YABBA DABBA DOO!
>>741967986>when flowery isn't meant to be him at allto be fair the flowers in general minus green for some reason are a sort of anti version of what they were in Undertale and that would include Flowey absorbing their traits to twist and turn into a giant monstrosity that thinks it's truly god
>>741968382do something about it* whoops dropped a word
>>741967910>susie is the new lost girl
>>741966371This art is pretty sick tbqh
>>741967910>I forgot about this what the hell
SPRITE ACCURATE UGLY NOELLE <3
Aqua origins?
>>741968458>accurately calls Kris a tsun for Noelle>calls Kris the dog for Susie and Noelle's relationship
>>741968486oh yeah this fandom is doing greatno problems at allhandling things just fine
>>741967620>How you two used to eat toast>Making it into a snowflakeKris and [that girl] mentioned again.
>>741967910where does seam say this???
cyan soul kris deniers in fucking shambles at this point this along with asgore turning from yellow to red effectively confirms that soul colours can change depending on the circumstances
>>741968526Based longhead GOD
>>741967910when did seam say that? exact quote, nowi need a new cope
>>741968382Lol. Suicide soon from you.
>>741964912it looks like a toriel expression
>>741968196Noelle is different in chapter 5 if you killed Berdly. If you ask her to ride the ferris wheel with Kris, she uses her new evil sprite from Side B and says "No Kris, Faha! ...You'll never order me again. You hear me?" Someone can hopefully post it
>>741967910>Seam said something about not spending the night in Dark Worldhow the FUCK did i miss this?it all fits. the theory isn't cope. it all fits. just like Flowery, we start off hating the writing, but come to love it
>>741961249Undertale fans are cucks and the new bronies
>>741968609>>741968525Chapter 2
>>741968598FemKris is genuinely the only theory that won.
>>741968545He's the smart one remember?
>>741967910>sleeping in the Dark World gives you an NTR fetish
>>741968609>>741968525
I miss Tenna so fucking much
>>741968609>>741968525This is vague
>>741968586>>741968609refer to >>741968525
do you consider the weird route to be the true route? playing normally is a nothingburger inside a nothingburger
>>741968652You do realize, he's talking about the Knight right. Wake up, sheeple, Susie's been lezzing out since Ch. 2.
>>741968486Kris being subjected to krillinposting is fucking hilarious
>>741968726True route is both
>>741967910>The damn closet turned Susie into Suzy overnight
>>741968458>Susie cockblocks you if you try to date Berdly or Mew MewBitch, what is your problem?
>>741968652What is a dark world really when the light world is also dark at the time? Perhaps a world darker than dark?
>>741967603ToT
Sooo how many days do you think Toby might pull the Mikes out to show that Susie is a little brainwashed given the onslaught of people being unhappy about how the chapter was?I give it a week.
>>741968726Twisted sword is canon true end meaning that weird route is also compulsory content, you just have to stop yourself from going too far
>>741968792>i like little girls irlwhy did you say this?
>>741968486The first proper one since the chapter released. Thanks Yabba Dabba doonon.
>>741968726I consider it the reason I'm still invested in the game
>>741968770m-maybe she wants Kris to herself
>>741968012SIRK PU KCIPSIRK PU KCIPSIRK PU KCIPpretend this is Ralsei
>>741967910>Seam wasn't talking about the knight but referring to the fact that staying in a dark world for too long over-rides your personality>This would also explain why the knight is a psychotic dickhead despite probably being a loved one (Dess or Rudy)Its kino
>>741968768>she LITERALLY came out of the closetBRAVO TOBY
>>741967910I'm curiously on the spending the night in there since the sound tracks for CH4 seem to imply you finish it up at like 1amunless as someone else theorised, the SOUL stops you from getting darkerpilled or Kris already is
>>741965001>Blue flower speaks in meaningless flowery proseBRAVO KOJIMA
>>741961249i beat both jevil and snowgrave spamton on my first try back in the day, but i physically cannot get past Mew Mew. the bomberman part sucks so bad. im so close to just quitting and just youtube the super ultra secret ending of this game at this point. im washed
>>741968686i was expecting some cheeky hints like the past few chapters or an spiteful refutation like a lot of other shit this chapter, but aqua seemingly being tailor made to support it was not something i expectedfeels good mane
you are all fucking retardsthe entirety of chapter 3 takes place at night
>>741968770Only Susie gets bitches in this timeline not Kris. Shadow Crystals reveal it so.
>>741968490i didn't mind that part so much, it's just that the rest of the references with shit like the flowers yelling about their OMEGA MOVES and whatnot just made it feel unauthentic, like it's steeped in the same sort of irony that gerson was complaining about last chapterit just didn't feel genuine to me
>>741968680>>741968696>>741968704>>741968707too vague i'm not delusional enough
>>741968382if Toby's ever played Thug Hero Party, I know he's shooting for the hardest heelturn of a lifetime
How many of you didn't catch that Susie slept in Kris's bed after chapter 4? You find her hair in Kris's bed in the dark world and then Susie admits to it.
>>741968886spam healing items? I couldn't dodge it either and just face tanked everything
>>741968903Oh yeah, true. False alert, Toby is still a hack guys.
>>741968701t. noelle
>>741968734Yeah, it's talking about the kidnappings that happen at night. Not whatever cope people have.
>>741968806>people misinterpret it as Susie just being crazy in love while they're doing their antics
>>741968903The main distinction is the time when they go to sleep. It was still a Light World when Susie was sleeping. Now she's going to sleep while within the dark world on purpose
ok but what if kris x the anime doll in the corner of his room is actual endgame status
>>741967910If this is really the case, then Mew Mew is also going to suffer from this, if she presumably does move to Castle Town to continue living inside the body.What would even happen? Flanderization?>>741968875Maybe just sleeping affects you. And actually, they made it a point to show that Susie slept in Kris' bed. Maybe that's why she started liking Noelle so much?
>>741968312Ywnbaw
>>741968958I saw that and sort of dismissed it since I couldn't believe susie was actually sleeping in the school
>>741967910I'm sure everything's fine.
>>741968806You gotta stop with the coping man. You need to get to Acceptance
>>741968686I don't see why that would be.Even if Aqua is indeed meant to be tied to Kris that doesn't say everything that she is, also Kris is. A mirror character like her often isn't and shows the OPPOSITE of what the character they're mirroring is. In fact the biggest sign is how chatty he is. Even before the soul Kris was more of a quiet boy. You're saying that her being a girl perfectly mirrors Kris while her chatty behavior just conveniently doesn't?Load of bull
>>741968886Stay in a corner. Move as little as possible.
>>741968896Honestly with the human flowers and this it feels like only humanfags won in the end. Everyone else got screwed over.
>>741968086>if I had to guess, its to make you sympathise with Kris despite him doing all this shitty shady stuff in the backgroundI would say it's working, but as you also say, I can't help but feel like this is a personal attack, and I am not happy about it.
>>741968903The main fountain is different somehow idk, I don't really see it being a reference to the knight since he doesn't kidnap at random or even seems to care abou castle town
>>741969018>The main distinction is the time when they go to sleepFanfiction. Seam doesn't mention sleeping.
>>741969030that might be the saddest outcome
>>741969091Aqua also doesn't pull pranks.
>>741966749If Toby had used extra budget to have the Knight vs Flowery be a literal anime animation, and maybe another one somewhere else (going omega?) would have made him perfect.
>>741969121take it easy, anon, it's just a videogame.
>>741968903Maybe it has to do with actually sleeping given Chapter 3 has them pretty much sleeping but woken up? There's some fuckery with dreams around
>>741969042Hard to say since Mew Mew has a situation similar to (You) and Kris going on with a soul+vessel pair
>>741964516>suselle crashed susie's character so hard kerdley somehow became the top ship for kris now
>>741964229>The other is asked to give a speech at the wedding reception, which they handle tactfully and even humorously, only to return home and eat the wedding favor—a Baumkuchen cake—all alone.Could be worse.
>>741969091She's obviously based on whatever Asgore said about Kris' childhood.
wheres the aqua porn
>>741969091She isn't Kris's opposite, she shows what Kris was like. That's why she uses the same poses as Kris.
>>741969091no the character shares the straight of liking knives there any other trait they have can be linked arbitrary linked to Kris as desired personally I take it as kris being able to fly
>>741968486Kek
>>741969163literally this and is what i expected but it feels like he used 100000000% of the budget on that intro
>>741968958i saw it, and thought it was cute, but it gradually slipped my mind as kris' humiliation rutual got worse and worse
>>741968903>>741968972fuck, pack it up boys, it's over
>>741969018not fanfictionthe dark world IS like a dreamwhich is why Asgore's notes were just unreadable scrambled letters
>>741968903>>741969042yeah good pointperhaps its only going to sleep specifically in a dark world fucks you up
>>741969215So he just lied for no reason about him being super chatty and hyperactive sure bro
>>741969179>There's some fuckery with dreams aroundDarkners are powered by dreams, because they are fictional worlds and dreams are how these worlds are born. Dreaming in a dream could cause problems like having a dark lens in a dark world>Darker yet darker
>>741968806You'll get a skit where Pippin is acting cheerful, gets asked why he's acting different, then starts yelling "just because someone's HAPPY doesn't mean they're BRAINWASHED!"
>>741968486Well, there it is
>>741969215Kris is also cyan in the flashback too.
>try to force a romance on the fanbase>they reject it even moreyou really can't force romance on people huh
>>741968886You just need to do it 3 times, it's easy. I initially thought it would be 4 rounds.
>>741969282Both are true, anon.
>>741967831Holy based
>>741969317I never watched inception
>>741969273>which is why Asgore's notes were just unreadable scrambled lettersnot being able to read in a dream is a skill issue
>>741968918Actually that's fair. I initially took some of it as just being too on the nose for the sake of clarity but stuff as obvious as like the Omega Moves could've just simply been called special attacks and the point would've still been made
>>741969165Sorry but I cannot take it easy, I am simply not able to do that. I am very angry, and I hope all of this is a setup for something that will provide me with catharsis, because I do not want to feel like this anymore.
>>741969179>>741969317so what's the link between this, and Toriel being asleep for the entirety of chapter 3?
>>741969198somehow kriselle got some fantastic shit out of noelle during the festivalunfortunately, krusiebros didn't get a whole lot outside of confirmation that kris is into susie, which was already suspected
>>741969321lol.
>>741968734why would he say that when castletown is apparently still safe enough for susie to hang around in at night?
>>741967831saved
>>741968394NTR is his fetish, what did you expect?
>>741969426toriel did turn into a cheap whore the chapter after she slept in the dark world...
>>741969030Would be pure kino but Toby doesn't have the balls for it, even the Noelle stuff isn't anywhere near as based as this
>>741967083https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/571944474/#571944693
>>741969321That's just shooting yourself in the foot, not being content with it and going for the shotgun next.
>>741969434The Shadow Crystals being failed dreams helped alot too, confirming that Kris wants to be with her
>>741969434>confirmation that kris is into susieWho cares? Susie obviously isn't into him. The ship is dead. sunk. it hit an iceberg and is now chilling at the bottom of the atlantic ocean.
>>741969426it's why Kris also tasked Tenna with keeping her asleepthe Knight wouldn't have trouble grabbing her regardless as we've seen
>>741969276>susie got mindraped by the prophecy because she just fell asleep there>being asleep in any other way doesn't result in ANY change whatsoever>all of this because Seam said it was bad to be in a DW at night (no mention of sleep)We are reaching monstrous levels of delusion and cope.
>>741969321I hate how realistic this sounds
So Toby set up the Krusie concept bait on his Twitter last year specifically for this to happen on the fandom?
>>741966749this: >>741969163+ being fully voice acted (unless you turn him off) for all his lines instead of just voice clips + fully voiced song
>>741969234My point wasn't that she's opposite, my example of mirror characters showing the opposite is against the claim that such a character would have to show exactly what the character they're mirroring is. Against the claim that because Aqua is a girl then Kris definitely is.There isn't any particular way that Aqua mirrors Kris. Some things are similar, some are different, some are opposite.
>>741969434after ch5 I handwave this as childhood nostalgia instead of an actual desire for romance. Toby would never let it happen
>>741969426She acts completely differently the next day
>>741969486maybe he wasn't expecting her to get completely brainrotted like that? he's super on edge in ch5 and not nearly as ride or die with susie here like he was in 3 & 4he didn't forget either because he kept forcing himself to come clean with shit when it came up, but susie didn't care at all
>>741969536Kris must have done some foul shit to Dess to deserve this
>>741969486Because Castle Town technically isn't safe for that. There is nothing stopping the knight from just coming in. But Castle Town has no one for the Knight to kidnap as well.
>>741961348What do 3 pedophiles who all lead cults have to do with deltarune?
>>741964229>>741967831Fuck... I honestly didn't expect him to be into cuckoldry. It's over.
>>741969276Nah Toriel slept through Chapter 3 and was completely fine, granted she started sleeping before it was made but still
>>741969426>She's dreaming peacefully if you job>She's having a nightmare if you win
Has chapter 5 proven me correct?
>>741969321i hate that i 100% genuinely can see this unironically happeningit's genuinely over, the jig is up, there's no more coping about it: toby is a fucking hack
>>741969536do you have the other one at the festival with susie looking at them through a window?
>>741968235because that's when the knight is out and about. susie and kris were in the ch 3 and 4 dark worlds which take place almost entirely at night, but there were no weird personality shifts.
>>741968458>Wanted to hang out with Kris for the festival, seeing that he was alone>Calls out Susie and Noelle using Kris as their third wheel cuckHe had like 2 minutes of screen time and I came out of this chapter liking him more than Susie.
>>741969434It's so weird.>Suselle get confirmed in-universe, but everyone now hate it.>Kriselle still get drip feed every chapter despite NOT being the main ship.>Krusie exists in-universe but serve only to torment Kris
>>741969321end my suffering, youre 100% right
>>741969606really hard to say what it is, honestly
>>741969536so now that we know what the crystals are, does it mean Kris wants to die/be gone? one of the flavor texts says something like "you look through the crystal and can't see your hand"
>>741969731
>>741969703Yes. Unrioncally supports the idea that real people are limited in the context of a game world
>>741969321PLEASE happen
>>741964229>"King of Ero Games">look inside>it's just NTR
>>741969680toriel seemed to have some awareness of it in ch4 at the start but dismissed it at just being a dreami should also mention that berdly and noelle were also sleeping in the ch2 dark world, given that they wake up when the fountain is closed what does it all mean?
>>741969847>Susie is supposed to be a minor antagonist and spurned lover for Noelle in the original timeline
>>741969826kris lost his hand in the original timeline, here he replaced it with a goner hand and got infected by (You)trust me
>>741969321it has never been more over than it is right now
>>741969601Why would their gender be the opposite, then? Plus there's nothing that says she's Kris's opposite in anything as we haven't seen child Kris doing anything.
>>741969826It's Kris's broken dreams of a life where he didn't kill Dess, a life where he could be happy and normal without the trauma haunting him
>>741969718Tbf that would be pretty funny, and also vindicate all criticism of chapter 5's writing that made.
>>741969579eh, im just throwing shit out for funall i'm really hoping is Susie is acting this way for a good reason and not just that Toby turned into a ao3 fanfiction shipper who slaps together 2 characters because they like them and not because they actually work together
>>741969321You know what, I want it to happen so more people just drop Deltarune
