>everyone says Cyberpunk looks really good with ray tracing>aight let me see>wtf everyone lied to me>"NOOOOOO you must enter cherry picked locations the make RT look in the best possible way" incomingBruh I just booted the game and this is how it looks if you just play it normally
half fps for this? I dunno man
>>742175918I haven't played a single game with RT.t. 5090
Nvidia needs to be made to pay for their endless grifitng during their gaming years.Physx, hairworks, gsync, raytracing.And now they're embedded in the MIC and palantir AI surveillance courtesy of American tax dollars and 401ks all the moreso.
>lose a fuckton of fps so you can have the Astigmatism Simulator onfuck no I already have that stupid shit
like bruh
Keep going. If you post enough screenshots you'll surely convince people.
IT LOOKS EVEN WORSE LMAO
>>742175978Where shadows for characters?
>>742176420>sorry goy you need path tracing for that. that would be $3000 here how it looks with pathtracingHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
aight it looks cool here
16 times the detail
>tech illiterate retard with a gpu from 2018move along folks
>slightly darker shadows>that would be -100 fps sir
PT has its own issues but if you can run it i see no real reason not to
>>742175918The normal raytracing is basically just reflections and extra global illumination if I remember right. You get extra depth on smaller objects so things don't float on tables, but it's a lot of more minute details for such a big performance hit. Path tracing is the big touted bullshit, and that has its own problems since some indoor areas have no lights hand-placed, literally requiring a flashlight mod to not be blind as a bat.
game looks like this 95% of the time and there's barely a difference.
I'm trying to find the spot where RT mogging non RT as much as possible. and it's not easy desu
>>742176334>worsethat's how it looks in reality tho
>>742176334isn't that something something shadow penumbra, where depending on the lighting conditions a shadow gets blurrier in distance from the object it's cast by
>>742176951there's both a flashlight mod AND a nightvision mod, both of which were very strangely completely overlooked in vanilla game even though my vision is augmented.
>>742175918>you must enter cherrypicked locationoh hey that's how it works in real life too, only certain spots at a certain locale looks scenic, and only in certain weather / time / lighting condition
buy an ad, polackshil
>>742175918>>742175978>Character's don't even have shadows and the texture work looks like a PS2 game>B-BUT LOOK AT LE PUDDLES!!1The even with path tracing it looks like shit. If people insist on pushing tracing tech, there are much better examples to use.
>>742175918I still don't know what ray tracing is and why it's so important
>>742177335Thank you for that post. I will now sell my house and go buy a RTX 5090.
>>742176530Holy slop
>>742177984Those mountains were the only spot in CD where the game crashed for me- and it crashed a lot. As soon as I was clear of that little region, totally problem-free.
>>742175918we only care about path tracing here
>>742177805>BUY THIS GAME RIGHT NOW AND SAVE %70 THIS IS LITERALLY THE BEST GAME EVER MADE DON'T MISS IT. GRAB IT WHILE YOU CAN RIGHT NOW https://store.steampowered.com/app/1091500/Cyberpunk_2077/
>>742176818Path tracing actually looks great in cyberpunk
>>742178113aight anon. I'll upload some pathtracing images
>>742176530>1909x1440>43fpsIt isn't meant for third worlders
You are playing a laughably low resolution but yes RT is never worth the fps you lose
>>742175918Consumer cards aren't actually capable of raytracing at level equivalent native resolution, so engines use a lower sample rate and then clean it up with denoising algorithms. That's what RT reflections looks blurry or pixelated a lot of the time like in pic related. Honestly the tech just isn't ready yet.
>HOLY SHIT ANONS COME HERE LOOK >PATH TRACING MOGGING SO HARD IT'S INSANE
>>742177186Yes which is funny because it goes to show how little anon goes outside. Even if you don't know anything about shadows other than that they exist, you'd recognise that the shadow on the right happens all the time.Just imagine how terminally house bound you have to be, to lose the ability to recognise shadows.
>>742178250>gpu 3060lmao
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 2
>>742178350It does look better. But better enough to cut the fps down by like 70%? No.
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 3
skill issueworks on my machine
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 4
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 5I'm tired boys. tell me exactly where should I go and take the best possible screenshot that moggs the hell outa non RT
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 6okay this one looks nicer
>>742178805>>742178706>>742178573You can tell the differences, but devs got good enough at "faking" good/natural lighting that the framerate hit isn't worth it.Now reflections? I am taking RT reflects over any SSR or cubemaps. Depending on the game RTGI in outdoor areas looks really nice too
>>742178474Barely. I bet if you showed both images to random people in a blind test the results wouldn't be as clear cut as you might think.What makes the game actually look bad in both cases is how flat the character textures look. They do not cast any shadows. And floating NPCs as shown here >>742176818 and >>742175978.
>>742175978As long as it's steady at 60+ FPS, I'll enable everything.
>>742175978Bottom just straight up has no shadows on the NPCs, fucking trash game.Ofc rt will look better when they completely remove things that have existed since forever in the non-rt mode.
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 7
>>742178706here is p.gud
OP is trolling, he doesn't even have path tracing turned onyou can see the actual difference here:>>742176416>>742176174>>742178602>>742178719
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 8>>742178973aight I'll try to find similar place. for now I think it looks best during the night.
>>742179019>coping hardsure anon. everything is fake and gay. close the thread now.
>>742175918Rather the game looks like absolute garbage without it. Everything below the High settings looks so fucking bad that I don't understand why it even exists.
I'm going for the 100fps one
>>742178973>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 9couldn't find the exact same place.
>>742179340How come I can clearly see path tracing on all my images yet you can't on yours?
Path tracing looks great. Sorry you are poor OP
>HOLY SHIT PATH TRACING 9>LOOKS LIFE FUCKING GARBAGE AHAHAHA
>>742179403I dunno man. I just ride around the city and taking random screenshots.
>WALK>DON'T WALK
>>742178338>This screenshot has less frames!
Can't wait for another update that finally combines the best of both worlds
>ASS
okay this one is really good
found an american
>>742178805Not 110 fps loss nicer though.
non RT looks better imoalso coal burner
>>742179830>129 fps>40 fps
Something about cyberpunk just looks off, it's like something that was added in the PS3 era is missing, so it looks like a PS2 game despite the higher geometry and sharper textures.
>LOOT AT THIS DOOD
>LOOT AT THIS DOOD 2
>>742180061One thing I can say is that your images have put me off ever wanting an untra-wide
>>742179403Lol why does slop tracing make the whole image look fullbright and the characters look like playdough plastic dolls
>>742180283top is path traced the bottom is off you backwards brownie
>>742177130You don't need to cut your framerate in half to create smudgy blob shadows like that. What a joke.
would or nah?
>>742180110This particular image? Nothing is casting shadows,
>>742180325No it isn't retarded nigger, look at the reflections KEK the tech you're shilling for looks like shit
>>742180443I'm the one who took the image you stupid fuck. I know which is why.
>>742180471>uck. I know which is why.saar I am knowing of the why bloody benchod
>>742180540stupid poorfag
>>742179830>>742180110Cyberpunk needs raytracing just to do this lmao
>>742180397This particular image?Nothing is casting shadows,
>>742175918>Having GPU stats, CPU stats, RAM stats and frame rate displayed at the top of the screen.If you care more about FPS and optimisation than gameplay, artstyle, music, level design and story, you are a subhuman and deserve to be burned alive.
works on my machine
>>742180725This reflections look awful, increase you rays poorfag.
>>742180823Why did you remove all the textures from your game?
>>742176530What baby card is 220w?
>>742180870so that you could keep moving goalposts even more
this one is great
skill issue
>>742180938Are the textures in the goalposts?
>>742175918Get a better PC.
>>742180804>>742180835>>742180894coping 3rd worlders that never touched a high res+refresh gaming
>>742180870They're right here along with the daily dose.
>>7421808943070
>1999-2007 10x the number of polygons on screen, simple point lighting>2007-2012 3D lighting and textures, physics engines, 10x polys again>2012-2026 Um, the wet spots on asphalt reflect light sometimes if you spend $4000 on a GPUOh boy, I'm exactly as enthusiastic about PC gaming as I was 20 years ago. I can't wait to invest in some of this top of the line tech, I'll feel like I'm living in the future again.
good as well. one of those cherry picked places shilled by youtubers where path actually looks good
>>742181135the upper image has a reshade
>>742176434This is the most difficult game of spot the difference
CP2077 looks good with path tracing, not ray tracing.
>>742181023Cope harder
Can't park there, mate.
>>742181179what are you talking about nigga
aight boys. what have we learned?
>>742181107this is all shit that used to be done better with GI and proper lighting
>>742181262>it was done better in old games>show me one of these old games which looks better>err no
>>742181121>where path tracing actually looks goodHonestly anon, how often do you go outside? You do realise that not everywhere is picturesque under all weather, seasons and time of day?Unless your argument is that ray and path tracing isn't worth the performance cost, you're arguing that it doesn't turn every frame into something beautiful, which is retarded.
>dexter deshawn path tracing.pngNo argument against it.
>>742181246>aight boys. what have we learned?That the super deluxe tech isn't universally better, which is very embarrassing.
>>742180725Looks like shit. Reminds me of Saarfield
>>742181246pt isn't worth the price or the fps
>still malding about a game from 2020lmao
>>742181346>it runs like shit on my pc so I hate it fixed it for you
Okay. Update your PT engine brohttps://theultraplace.com/games/cyberpunk2077/
>>742181381saar you are the poor
>>742181314>it's worth losing 70-80% of your fps because the game looks better about 5% of the time. the rest 95% is either the same, worse or slightly bettergood goy
>>742181476PT looks better at all times, unless you're Indian.
>>742175918in about a year, we should have public access to integrated GI that is both more accurate and performant than path tracing or raytracing. You can already get it and compile into game engines but you have to have contacts to get it. It's foss, just gotta wait
Absolutely FUMING AMDdrone. It's the AMDshill from /g/.
>>742181504This, sorry not sorry your PC's a shit OP, but good job convincing yourself raster is just as good I guess (lol it isn't, not even close).
>>742181517Sounds like a jeet that finally saved up for a 16gb AMD card and realized it runs modern vidya like shit
>>742181504sar plase make redeeming rhe path trace most biuetiful nvidia best company
>>742175918your old shit gpu doenst support all the features, neck yourself thirdworlder.
>posts 50+ pictures that show PT looking a little bit better. definitely not worth the performance.>NOOOOOOO you must use ultra heavy mod that makes PT good. >NOOOOOOO you're lying it's all fake>NOOOOOOO it's looks 100x times better on my machine. trust me bro>NOOOOOOO it's not the PT that doesn't look impressive. It's something's wrong with your PCKeep em spamming boys. What a pathetic cope. Why are browns like this?
>>742181706If it's so blatantly obvious, why are you so desperate to prove it? It should be immediately clear to everyone who has the game and tries it for themselves.
>AMD
>>742181762But pathjeets are the ones mass replying and doing damage control over OP tho
>>742181706>AMD owner
>>742181762>It should be immediately clear to everyone who has the game and tries it for themselves.It is.
>>742181964Looks GREAT on my PC. OLED btw - another thing you can only dream and seethe about.
>>742182125Nobody says it looks bad, anon.
>>742181295This entire game mogs it by not needing copescaling for superior lighting
>>742182292 lol no
Bro idk why everyone loved this game so much. I loved Oblivion, Skyrim, Kingdom Come Deliverance, etc. I tried this game and got bored so fast. 90% of the buildings cannot be entered and all the NPCs are lifeless as fuck. No one to talk to, nothing to explore. I didn't get the appeal.
>>742175918The biggest difference I noticed are the character models. In PT, they look less flat and have facial shadows. But that depends on scenes and daytime too.Too much for my 4070s though. Prefer 4k with DLSS4 Quality and stable framerate rather than blurry 1080p on big TV with PT.
>>742182518yeah there's literally nothing to do and it doesn't feel adventurous or epic like those games. i get an itch to boot it up because i always think the setting is kind of cool in theory, and then i play it for an hour and don't touch it again for a year. it's a bummer every time.
>>742175918Shadows is the only RT worth ensemble in CP77
>>742182431lol yea
>>742182875 the game barely looks better than HL2. It's rough as fuck. You're just a poorfag
>>742175918>, 2311x1013
>>742181910>>742181517>>742181567>>742181805>AMDOne jeet schizo spams AMD. Holy poor copeWhy are you like this?
>>742183229>32gb of ramLmao so poor
My big gripe with it is that it actually looks bad.I tried ray tracing in CP77 when I got my new PC, do these retards really expect you to accept brutal ghosting, lumen-style ants and smeared edges in exchange for some low res real time reflections in puddles?It's bullshit.
RTX-sisters... I'm starting to lose faith... Our response?
>>742183650runs and looks good on my machine
>>742183229>Look at my 5070 flex ha ha ha
>>742181221>4090>Not 5090Confimed 3rd worlder
Thread's over. londonjamboy's here. Get out while you can.
>>742175918>>742175978>>742176178>>742176251>>742176334now compare it with pathtracing faggot. i played cp2077 + pathtracing with a 4070. it's not expensive
>>742183898
>>742183403>>32gb of ram>Lmao so poor>>742183830>5070 flexsure bro. keep baiting. >spams AMD like retard>hey look. I don't even own AMD>HAHAHAH YOUR 5070TI IS SHIT HAHAnice low iq baiting bro. thanks for bumping my thread though, please continue.
>>742181025Looks like shit.
>>742183079Cope
>>742178937if you're either brown or consoletoddler maybe, 120fps and 60fps are a world of difference in fps shooter
>RT isn't worth using even in nV tech demo from 2020We know dawg.
>>742183993>holy poor cope why are you like this >has 5090 >has $2k worth of DDR5>has $2k worth of NVME>"nice low iq baiting bro"
>>742184092>stop making your games look better in exchange for marginal smoothness
>>742181295Cyberpunk looks like shit. You can't just throw ratracing into a shit looking game and expect it to suddenly look good. It has the same graphical issues as shit like Starfield.
>>742183934>compare it with pathtracinghere you are>NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS oh sorry about that
>>742184176you never experience 120fps so your words are worthless to me
>>742182681>Hired jeet coders need to brutforce path tracing just to replicate a point lightGrim.
>>742184123>>has 5090 >>has $2k worth of DDR5>>has $2k worth of NVMEyou're definitely poor. I can tell because you're trying too hard to convince everyone you aren't. checkmate rajesh.
>>742184235see>>742183830
>>742184284I am poor. I'm not rich. I will hold my hand up and say that RTX6000 is too much for what I'd spend on a GPU. I still have a super mega fuck off 5090 PC and you don't
>>742184195everything is more correctly lit on the pathtracing one. it doesn't add as much as when you have reflections, but if it's more accurate and you can play at a good framerate it's always better.
>>742184342>I still have a super mega fuck off 5090 PCI mean yes? what's your point? how's that relevant to path tracing in cyberpunk? which what is thread is about.>enters random thread>LOOK I'M NOT POOR I'M NOT POOR>YOU ALL HAVE AMD AND YOUR PC IS SHIT>UNLIKE MY PC THAT COSTS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS>MY PC IS BETTER THAN YOURS LOOK PLEASEyou're trying too hard and too desperate. just play your games anon.
>>742184442
>>742184195It's weird how many defenders treat every criticism of the game as a rejection of tracing tech when in reality it's just a shit game. You get better results modding it into other games.
>>742184442>>742184486
>>742184472You called me poor while trying to flex with a 5070 . You lost faggot. Have some pride and fade away rather than doubling down on being a bitter retard
>>742184486still bummed you couldn't shoot her in the back at the end
>>742184442>Every surface is plasticIt's like we're in the 360 era again
ITT AMD have nots say worse graphics look better because....they just do okay!?
>>742184486shes' so fucking ugly I hated her
>>742184556>it's plasticI don't see plastic. Must be your 1080p monitor
>>742184556that's just light sheen from fresnel reflection on the polished concrete slabs when you see them from grazing angles.
>>742184586>Must be your 1080p monitorMust be.
looking good pt bros
>>742184536I also called you a jeet schizoYou didn't even try to deny that.also>lives in India>trying to convince himself he won somethingI dunno about that sar. But you do you, if being delusional makes you happy, be happy.
>>742184586>I don't see plasticPost a single photo of dry concrete looking like this in real life.
>>742184760>jeet jeetlet's play the "who is a real jeet" game. post your hand
>>742184692it would be even better if you posted some before and after PT pictures.
>>742184738First screenshot I've ever seen of this game not looking like pure slop, well done.
>>742184692>All that smokeJesus, someone call the fire brigade!
>>742184738thre's no way it looks like this without any mods.also post fps
>>742184692i played the whole game with pt on, so that'd be impossible. but on the picture with the woman in red, you can see shadows inside her jacket that wouldn't be cast without pt, etc.
I played this game for about 2 hours before getting bored as fuck and hating it, but the cinematics and talking scenes I saw are straight up broken without RT or PT. It looks like complete shit because it's a shit game with garbage tech and only overkill technique saves it.So if you just look at the city and think that's the difference will be that's retarded, try the billions of scenes of """""""""""talking"""""""" to somewhat and you'll notice garbage shading and lightning fixed with at least some RT. Full PT has proper subsurface scattering so characters looks a lot better.I have a big ass gpu so I'm tempted to play the game again to see, but it's just so fucking trash as a vidya
>>742184798>post handoption 1. post hand>fake. ai. photoshop>lmao you fell for the bait and posted hand. you lost hahahaha I won I'm so smart.>but.. but.. you didn't post eyes!!!! you must post them NOW!!! option 2. ignore and don't post hand.>haha I asked you to post hand and you couldn't. you're jeet jeeet jeet I won't I'm not jeet you're jeet I'll take the bait SAAR
>>742185104>tranny lightskek
>>742176007Based
>(you)
>>742185163Thanks Doc
>>742185146>>742184798>SAR!!!!!post hand
>>742185163>Fingerless glove meter
>>742184514son they're not gonna remake the games lights if it was originally made without pt. PT will only look amazing if it's in the development pipeline + the hurdle of not raping your gpu too much
>>742184867it is modded
>>742185460looks better but cpu + gpu and fps?
all the rt/pt/gaytracing effects make the game more blurry. its especially noticeable in motion like the whole game looks like depth of field.
>>742185261refusal to post your hand is proof you're a jeet.
>old /v/ would have mocked this kind of kikery >nu /v/ is too busy calling each other jeets and poorfags
>>742184798>let's play the "who is a real jeet" game. post your handkek>be a smelly jeet or paki (there's no difference)>enter a random thread>call everyone poor and spam AMD>see someone call you poor >have a mental breakdown immediately>NOOOOO you can't do that. you have AMD-"I'm not. Here's screenshot">But... but... my PC is better!!!!!-"Literally who asked, you're trying to hard jeet">NOOOO you're jeet. Post hand.-"Okay here you go, now you">NOOOOOOOOO WHY IS HE WHITE!!! IT'S NOT FAIR. WHY WAS I BORN IN SUCH SHITHOLE>leaves and cries in shameanother jeet got BTFO. I love being white
>>742185104
>>742185709see>>742185736
>>742175918>>742175978It reminds me of Hairworks back in the Witcher 3 days. Where like 3 mobs in that game looks insanely good, and then the other 90% of the time you had half FPS so that Geralt's ponytail looked slightly different.
>>742185709>shit posts>gets called out >"but you're a poorfag jeet because I have a 5070 lolz">I have a 5090 >"but you're a jeet with a 5090" You're white with a jeet PC, you lost at life
both of you are nigger the more important question is why does his hand have path tracing on it, you seeing this shti???
>>742185882>post white hand>you're a niggerNot sure if you understand what that word means?
>>742185736>tries to hide his long fingernailsokay maybe you're not a jeet but your hygiene is jeet like>also calling a pc with 5070ti jeet PClmao if only. this gpu costs a $1200 here. >you have AMD!!!here's proof>well it's shit anyway you're poor. unlike me!! My PC is better!!!so what again? how is is relevant to the thread which is about CP2077 looking meh 95% of the time with PT on. How insecure are you? you're trying too hard
>>742185736>anon attempts to hide the fact that he is fatwhy even play this game
>>742185104>>742185736never before have i thought about the way my fingers fold in when i do a thumbs up, but one of you doing it wrong. i think it's the one with the homo lighting.
>>742186027I'm white. You're white. I have the better hardware.>AMD>spergs out and posts PC>"how insecure are you?" lol. You lost at life faggot.
>>742185736>>742185104I see two retards here wasting their time on some bullshit they'll forget in a week. Play games you nigger faggots instead of spamming hate on /v/. I'm so sick of this shit. But lemme guess, you don't even like games. If OP nigger faggot wasn't such a retard he would look at PT and think "this isn't worth it" and call it a day. Nah. Let's waste time like total retards on shit that doesn't fucking matter. Please hear me out. I'm tired of seeing this shit. You tourists faggots ruined the board. It's all shitposting and ragebaiting now.
The shit I took last night looks better than this game.
>>742186249>everyone on this board should stop doing what they're doing and only do precisely what I want people to doIt doesn't work like that retard. If you don't like it fuck off back to plebbit
>>742186125>says something wronghey, you're wrongpress a hotkey and then Ctrl+V>hahaha you lost >I made you sperg out and posts your PC>you lost at life unlike me who has this awesome PC look please at my expensive PC. I'm not poor btw. >you're insecure btwI dunno about that anon. let the other anons judge
>>742186428one of us called the other a jeet poorfag and then flexed with a jeet 5070 PC, the other didn't. There's nothing you can do or say to win this. You're the one with jeet hardware. You're the one having the sperg out.
>>742186359>and only do precisely what I want people to doSee? This is what I'm talking about. I never said or stated that. You just pulled out a strawman to make yourself look right. Get outta here nigger faggots tourists you're ruining this board.
>>742178058>>742177984what game? cd? cum dumpster? cool daddy?
game doesn't need pt to look good af
>>742186520>get off my boardno. and there's nothing you can do about it karen
>>742186613all settings on lowest + PT
>>742186496nice revisionism. that's not what happened. you got proven an insecure faggot and you lost. but don't worry. I'll leave you the last word since you clearly need it. I know this matters to you and you'll feel like you won something in your pathetic life so I'll be kind and let you have it.>prove you're strong and don't take the bait. just ignore it.>or take the bait desperately because you literally can't resist due to your insecurity.the choice is yours anon.
>>742186538Critical Dimensions
>>742186785can you do ultra settings but PT off? how's the fps difference?
>>742186814>I didn't call you a jeet poorI give you exhibit A. Look. The bottom line is I'll carry on playing on my 5090 PC and you won't.
>>742186881It's set at auto DLSS so will have to do some testing. I'll run benchmarks
>>742186538Compact disc, obviously.
>>742186928no need in benchmarks. there's a mod that lets you change settings presets with one click. just do one screenshot with everything low + PT vs everything ultra + NoPT. I wonder whcih one is better visually and what's the fps difference.
>>742175918Well, the good news is that now that Nvidia have their new toys (AI) to make money with, they won't push ray tracing to the people as much as before anymore.
>>742186987top is everything on low apart + PTbottom is the ultra preset with no RT or PT
>>742187234the ultra preset switched to shitty fsr for some weird reason. You get the idea >>742186987
>>742187234which one looks better to you?thanks for the tests. I'll try that one myself
Raytracing heavily depends on the game and implementation. Witcher 3 with raytracing makes the non raytraced version look unfinished in comparison, but it's not the case in every situation.
HAHA LOSERS MAD CAUSE THEY SHITTED IN THE SCAMTRACING
Yeah, RTX is overhyped. Lightning's all fucked on characters just like when you render the room twice.
>>742187342the fog starts to look a little blocky in some areas on low. the game looks a little sharper without all the bloom , lens flare etc but other than that I don't really notice much.
>>742187424Hot and would. but wtf is wrong with her face
>>742187094they aren't pushing you to ray tracing anyway?
>>742179019It's obvious he doesn't because there is no 220w gpu that can run pt in ~40fps.
>>742187550severe case of no path tracingher reflections are nude for some reason, but after all the patches doubt it's a bug they didn't catch
Why is it path tracing is now apparently required for all the things they told us ray tracing was going to give us? Were people actually right when they said ray tracing was just a meme? Is path tracing just a meme too?
>look mom I got a used 4070 Retardo thread
>>742185327>PT will only look amazing if it's in the development pipelineWhy does Cyberslop look worst than path-traced GTAV then?
>>742185460The tarmac looks more realistic than vanilla but the sidewalk still looks like it's made out of plastic.
>>742186538Call of Duty 11.
>>742187742>Shill calls everyone poor for not liking his slop game>Gets BTFO>"R-Retardo thread"
>>742187994>everyone is the same posterThanks for proving my point even further retard
Raytracing off vs Raytracing on
>poor retards will shit on raytracing and real-time lighting while at the same time being nostalgic about physics in videogames and FEAR's lighting, wondering why games can't be like that anymorepeak dunning krueger
>>742187720They’re the same thing, PT is just the next step.It’s a “meme” in that it’s also going to make your computer shit itself and give you half the FPS for another decade until hardware kinda catches up and retard proof tools like UE5 get better. At which point the next step will be out, whatever that is.
>>742175918Mod ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9UKt_qtzvc
>>742187774Basic art direction I imagine. Normal environments are easier to appreciate, which is why everyone still says RDR2 is the best looking game ever.
If you luddites had your way, we'd be stuck with realtime parallax cubemaps like the awful looking slop in this image!
>>742175978You either can or can't afford it. everyone knows RTX is demanding.>>742177805>buy an ad, polackshilhaha>>742181023OP is one of them because his shit GPU can't do 100+fps with PT enabled>>742187597>Doesn't know about undervolting in 2026>Doesn't know which upscaling preset/in-game setting were used so fps doesn't tell shit.Tech illiterate seething poorfag 3rd worlder spotted. >>742188208Exactly. if you're poor just play with PT off.
How ray tracing made everyone so gullible?
>>742175918You need a decent-sized OLED monitor/TV with proper HDR to notice the difference. A cheap monitor is pretty much useless
>>742187774>Why does Cyberslop look worst than path-traced GTAV then?Ray/Pathtracing depends on good PBR to look right and Cyberpunk has some of the worst PBR in past decade.Good PBR is also the reason Death Stranding looks good even though it's a mediocre game.
>>742188508I have an £800 OLED and it still looks like shit.
>>742178706How assblasted unc gotta be to spend his afternoon playing a game at 8 FPS to justify why it was a good decision to buy a used Radeon 6600.
>>742187774>Why does this modded game look better than an unmodded gameand what happens when we mod both games?
>>742187774I'm not seeing it. Any other exemples ?
>>742175918I still can't get over the fact they call this raytracing and go: >erhm actually chud full lighting models are called pathtracing now okI don't recall how it all works anymore but essentially you have unreal engines global illumination Lumen and then tacked ontop there is a ton of screenspace raycasting effects that do reflections and a whole bunch of other shit the lighting is basically completely unnaffected. It looks worse than a pre-baked light map with some cubemaps slapped on it and eats 1000x the performance. RT is the most insane marketing gimmick ever to the point they can now no longer run games at native resolution and need to artifact the hell out of it with upscalers to support all the shitty effects
>>742188696>2311x1013 ??? Are you fucking kidding me? That's poverty-tier resolution
>>742188253>river in a town>being mirror reflectiveyou clearly haven't seen an actual river that flows through a city.
>>742189074hey look I'm playing at 380x220
as hilarious as it is to see I do have to wonder what kind of vicious mental illness caused this Serb to obsess over CD Projekt for decades now
>>742187382the top one is infinitely more playable and this kind of shit is why the graphics race is utterly worthless after a certain point, no sense in chasing "realism" when you can't see anything. skyrim has a mod called Lux that makes every interior look like this and I have to use the brightest preset to make it even remotely enjoyable to play.
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>>742188253reflections never need to look better than this
Hating ray-tracing or especially path-tracing reads to me as:>Amerimutt, yet believes himself white>fooled by Trump, twice>myopic, interested in hurting those he hates above everything elseThat said, it's true ray-tracing hasn't been used well in same cases. As always, there are two sides to evey coin.
why jeets hate path tracing so much?
>>742189161You need a 4K OLED display with HDR for RT. Some budget OLED computer monitors lack full HDR
why jeets love path tracing so much?
the state of /v/ unironically
>>742189243>the top one is infinitely more playableThe same way an empty grey room is technically more clear than a room with actual lighting and objects in it.
>>742190110Obvious plot twist, both posts were written the same person/bot.
>>742189669Because they don't actually play the games. They spend their time on youtube instead
I'm getting a new GPU soon and might continue my Phantom Liberty save. Should I bother with path tracing or stick to ray tracing? I don't mind using frame gen to get triple digits, I already was before without any ray tracing on my 2070S.
>>742175978The poorfag copeth
>>742187382You realise ray tracing has nothing to do with getting proper indoor lighting and that CDPR were just still making games on a dollar of 5 budget when the og Witcher 3 came out.
>>742190349you have like 60 pictures here with gay tracing on/off
>>742187382they have no response to this, when you show them a graphically praised game from the 2010s looks like a grey blob compared to graphics now
>>742178113>dood looks at this concrete texture literally unplayabledamn spending 5k on a gpu to look at the floor is so retarded
>>742190351>lose 50% of performance for rtxON meme>jeets love ityou don't even have a PC. stop larping as a white sar
>>742190472More looking for RT vs PT though. I've seen comparison videos, but it seems to be hit or miss. I do know that screen space reflections in Cyberpunk are particularly terrible when you look at any water. I actually did try RT for just the reflections but couldn't quite hit the FPS I wanted on my 2070S.
The difference is so minute sometimes that you don't even care. Your mind is playing tricks on you, it sees those toggles at "medium" and thinks, oh I need to play it on ultra, I am going to crank everything up and toggle everything on, maybe then the game will "fun"... It is not the graphics, its the optimization and the game (which is actually not fun). Night City is beautiful to look at, but it is so devoid of life. It is empty. It is wide like an ocean, but deep as a puddle. Guys do me a favor and play this game without RT, you will enjoy it even more. You won't even notice a difference after 30 minutes.
>>742187382as someone who plays the witcher atm it doesn't always look this good. the one you've provided is best case scenario. 90% of the game don't look like this. I still play with rtx on since I can afford it.
>>742187382here's some more.I don't even know which one I like better.
>>742187382sometimes nonRT looks even better. these shadows are ugly as fuck
>RT/PT off>SSR off>hw unboxed optimized settingsYep, it's 240fps time
>>742191297>PT on>Everything on ultra>Reshade on>custom heavy graphics mods onmake 100 screenshots and delete the game because it's unplayable at 30fps
>>742175918>162fps vs 106fpshow can RT even remotely justify such a dumb performance penalty?all of that so that studios don’t have to spend money paying devs to fine-tune the light in maps (which are as static as ever, so fuck the RT benefits).I don’t get how this shit got popular. PhysX had a lot more visual impact by comparison.
>>742191067Those shadows should be there. The game is going for pseudo realism so shadows should be properly cast, they shouldn't be deleted in case they don't look flattering. Whether they're ugly or not isn't a matter of graphics, it's more of a matter of artstyle.
>>742177186>depending on the lighting conditions a shadow gets blurrier in distance from the object it's cast bysilly thing to emulate in a game IMO, the player's eyes could be focusing anywhere. Blur is overused in video games
>>742192012>which are as static as evermaybe in Cyberslop they are
>>742192012>how can RT even remotely justify such a dumb performance penalty?by being visually transformative enough, and with the right hardware it's still within the realm of acceptable performance
can i shitpost or is the thread already dead?
>>742175918>lose almost half of your fpsdeal of the century fag
>>742175918I played the game a lot with no ray tracing and ray tracing. Both look quite similar. Path tracing is a lot more noticeably different, especially in areas where things like lighting didn't receive a ton of attention. The lighting just looks naturally good almost everywhere. Ironically though, it makes the player notice those less refined areas more easily. Normally the player sees sparsely detailed alleyway and thinks it's just a pointless background area. With path tracing, the player can subconsciously start looking at the level of detail in that alleyway and wonder why it looks so unfinished and basic.
>>742175918PT looks fantastic and is trivial to run @1440p on my 5070tipoorfag cope thread
>>742192467nigga you can get the same result with fixed light sources>with the right hardware it's still within the realm of acceptable performancethis part is subjective. Even in an hypothetical world where the top left result could only be achieved with RT, _I_ don't think it's worth the current performance hit. Those computer resources are better spent on better models, better textures, higher resolutions and higher FPS for lower input lag, as far as my preferences go.I'm not going to say you're "wrong" for looking at that pic and thinking it's worth it for you, but that couldn't be me lol>>742192136scenario destruction looks slightly better than what Crysis offered in 2007the light-related side effects offered by RT can't even be turned off to measure the performance impact.Without having an on/off comparison, the discussion about whether the performance hit is worth it or not can't go anywhere IMO
>>742176818i can't tell which one is supposed to be the better one
>>742182518Come on now you don't get to suck off Oblivion and Skyrim while complaining about lifeless NPCs in other games lmao
>>742175978Yeah, you only really see RTX with puddles and reflections and the frame hit isn't really worth it.There's a reason it's called memeTX.
>>742193232do you not know how light works?
>>742183698>>742183830>>742183865>>742184123>>742187742>3rd worlders got scammed for €3000 by jewidia and now it's their personality. Every fucking thread.>Your poor incI have about €58,000 in savings and we're going to buy a house, some fucking day. I hope... Fuck this jewconomy. I have 4060 and I'm not retarded to waste shit ton of cash on a 715W gpu that might get on fire.
>>742188995It's the same with 4K. Richie Richs COPE that their $3,000 monitor and $3,000 GPU can't run a $70 game at native resolution without having to fake frames (input lag, etc.) because the game CLEARLY isn't built for memeK and SEETHE when 1080p chads point that out.
>>742176818>i see no real reason not toI do.>Cut FPS>For pretty reflections on carsNo, thank you. :)
>>742192467NOOOO NOT MY HECKIN' WINDERINO!>Literally only the Window having "god ray"/reflections is the only difference with a brighter lightPrebaked stays winning.
>>742194346>Richie RichsYou can get a 4k 160hz IPS for about 350-400 bucks nowadays. It's more accesible now than 1440p 144hz monitors were 5 years ago. You don't need a rich setup to run 4k. I run it with my 4070 ti super without issues. Sure I upscale quite often but since it looks better than 1440p I don't mind.
>>742192467Developers need to be white to implement stencil shadows.
>>742192824>thinks higher fps improves graphicsGo back to Fortnite zoomer trash
>>742192467It's always funny to me how these comparisons don't show fps
>RTX trannies — BTFO with factsSee you in the next thread. Seethe and cope/thread
>>742196524there's not much of a difference
>>742176693BAZZ?
>>742196524You're retarded
>>742188253>serious sam 4>parallax mappingThat shit is half broken. Only grey rock walls and stone textures (imported from serious sam 3 i'll add) will have it. The games shading work was fucked up and unfinished cause croteam's crazy ass programmer alen ladavac (sp?) left the dev house a year and a half before it's release.
>GAMES MUST HAVE REALISTIC LIGHTING I SAYthey never use realistic lighting in movies btw>games are not movieswell yes and no, many cinema techniques are used in games, camera work, decorations, and yes, a deliberate choice of lighting and accent lights, highlights, because you are not really there, in the game, you basically watch an interactive movie
>>742181262Cyberpunk looks great without raytracing. They did a good job on global illumination and lighting bakes. RT isn't much of an improvement for the FPS cost mainly because the base work is so good. Path tracing is significantly better than both though.
>bro, you gotta see this neon light infused scene of nothing happening with people walking slowly>nothing is happening with rtx on. impressed?>zamn, look at the raytracing in this really small room with nothing happening>you gotta see this non-combat with ray-tracing on. holy shit
>>742176530What an ugly fucking game. Gurraapphhhiix tards have always been a blight.
>>742200937Poor subhuman copeI can easily afford 5090 and can buy it again
Why can't poorfags understand that Path Tracing isn't just reflections and glowing neons?
>>742178502yeah, barely any difference, except in those places where it is very noticeable. you just cherry picked those where there is no difference
computer graphics expert hereray-tracing is bad because NVIDIA and AMD do it the wrong way. the number one performance consideration is the spatial partitioning scheme used for ray tracing, not the raw number of rays you can shoot. before ray-tracing became a meme, every professional developer spent most of his time thinking about spatial partitioningin graphics cards with ray-tracing they force you to use their own, opaque and undocumented spatial partitioning sheme. basically, they try a "one-size-fits-all" strategy, to accommodate for every type of game scene, but in practice it turns out it's slow as fuck
>retard with a 3070 tries to run Cyberpunk with Pathtracing and complains about performanceTruly one of the threads of all time
>>742201712Because actually trying to understand or read about what this shit actually does would take away from their precious shitposting time complaining about it
>>742175918yeah it looks nice just not a fan of the toys r us aesthetic
>>742175918Cyberpunk 2077 was not made with raytrace in mind, it's a post addition.And i personally would only use RT for shadows and non-reflections, and try to make it as lightweight as possible.Regular shadows are fucking ass.
>>742201712>devs didn't even bother to add basic pre-baked shadows >nah too much work. some goy will defend us anyway after spending $1000 on a single GPUgood goy. defend them with your life and consoom
>>742202540The cars are dynamic objects, you can't just pre-bake em.But you could put a better effort into that.The cry engine can do software raytrace pretty quickly, at a point the fucking switch can do it.
>>742175978That's it? Shiny puddles?
>>742202540considering the scene is in a shaded area, completely blocked from direct sunlight, and the only light reaching the foreground is indirect bounce from the background buildings, I have a hard time believing that basic ray tracing can replace Path Tracing in this scene particularly. even less with raster lighting and pre baked shadows, retard >>742202540
>>742203661SVOGI
>>742202540>consoomdon't you ever buy anything?
>>742197726I must train my cat to do this
>>742175918i didn't care for RT either. it makes things look nicer sure but not THAT great for the FPS hit it gives.
>>742175978This is max settings? Fuck it does look like an old game, but worse, it’s all blurry and there’s not proper shadows
>>742182431this jeet got btfo
>>742179635Damn looks like you picked up on a visual glitch in that one
>>742200887Not running as shit as it does. Till that shit can be done with no fps impact I will never be impressed by games that can't even look better than tech demos that ran on toasters.Character models in games still can't surpass dawn and nalu somehow.
>>742180110Its the NPC skin and clothing textures not suited for advanced lighting
>>742202540baked stuff doesn't work well with dynamic objects and dynamic lighting which will stick out like a sore thumb
>>742184442Correctly lit =/= looks good
>>742206253When it comes to open outdoor areas, shit like this scene look like fucking shit without PT.
>>742207872Well it's a pile of garbage in fog I'm not sure what you expect
>>742207872Implying that looks good with PT?It looks like shit either way, Anon
>>742209026Should see how much worse it is with RT/nothing.
techlet here, the fuck is that pathtracing shit, now? Another flavor of raytracing?
Once you get used to playing with RT/PT, you won't be able to stop seeing just how weird normal raster lighting sometimes is. Like all characters have a very faint white/grey highlight around them, and interiors look strangely flat in color and like objects on the floor are actually floating 1cm above the floor.But if you grew up on games with this, I imagine you're not bothered by it.
>>742209140It's "true raytracing".For every pixel, you shoot several rays that bounce around, getting the colors of the materials and eventually landing on a light, then you do all the math.The more rays you shoot per pixel, less noisy is the final result, but modern video cards can just use AI shit to convert a very noisy picture into a non-noisy picture, so less rays are shoot.The regular "raytracing" only do some parts of the rendering with shooting rays like shadows or reflections, but everything else is done the traditional way.
>>742209206The main thing PT adds for it is proper fucking ambient occlusion where everything is properly grounded by the lighting in the scene. Not some weird post-process effect like games usually use that is but an approximation.
>>742209497Like this?https://youtu.be/WRBwVAy03O8?t=315
>>742209870I was more thinking HBAO/HBAO+.
>>742210004It's pretty cool, but svogi is probably the actual best solution we have for ambient light, given it runs on the fucking switch.
>>742175918This looks a lot better>>742175978this looks a little bit better>>742176178this looks the same
>>742175978>No shadows in characters
Works on my machine.
>>742213960thisimagine being poor lmao and brown like most of /v
>>742207872>goes to the middle of nowhere to stand in a pile of trash to shill path tracing pure pottery
iirc raytracing usually isn't even used in animation where all the rendering is being done on a server farm with loads of compute power instead of locally on your machine at all times, it isn't viewed as beneficial enough of a technology over just faking a similar appearance using other lighting techniques. Absolute meme tech.
>>742175918It looks good if you aren't running it on a poorfags toaster. it is okay to be poor, op. Somebody needs to clean toilets and flip burgers. No need to cope and seethe.
>>742214425No it don't, you're just coping that games are all designed to run on the fucking steam deck, and you get "resolution plus" and nothing else.
How many AAA path traced games do we have besides Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones? How is it in Indy anyways? I'm expecting it to not be as large as jump as Cyberpunk, since Indy forces RT in the first place for its lighting.
>>742178058never crashed for me once, spent a ton of time there as its so comfy, especially during misty nightsbut now that I think about it whenever i tried using FSR the game would crash, so maybe that was your issue
>>742176818for some reason i prefer the non PT one
>>742193863Right so let's just break this down real quick.Oblivion (2006)Skyrim (2011)Cyberpunk (2020)In Oblivion there are about 950 NPCs you can speak to, and have a conversation with. In Skyrim, it's closer to 1,000. In Skyrim they expanded that dialogue further while exploring, where there are also conversations or I dialogue you can overhear between NPCs that add depth to the exploration around you.In Cybpunk, there are only a few hundred NPCs you can talk to and have a conversation with. There are barely any buildings outside of the quest buildings to explore. There is no side areas to explore. There are no side dialogues to hear. And there are hundreds of less NPCs total you can speak with.You can say Oblivion and Skyrim have lifeless NPCs but that's only a self-own of Cyberpunk if your goal is defending it, a game that dates Oblivion by 14 years, and Skyrim by 9.
>>742184195are you blind, or do you genuinely not see the difference?
Path tracing is the future, but it is so stupidly demanding that it isn't realistic to use today even with a 5090. It sure looks pretty though>t. waterblocked 5090 owner.
>>742217891What sucks is we won't see a game built with PT more in mind than as an extra bonus. RE9 is probably the closest we'll get, but the difference between RT & PT in that isn't that huge of a difference, mostly because the game is primarily static interiors and can bake a lot of shit.Minus some cherry picked locations where the fallback lighting for Switch/Toasters looks like extra shit for some reason.
>try playing cyberpunk with a 3600 and 3070>runs but a bit assWhat should I upgrade that isn't going to DDR5?
>>742217891How's the performance for it on a 5090? I have a 5070TI here and I'm lucky to maintain 60fps at 1080p, everything maxed, DLAA. If I feel like playing with controller I'll just slap on frame-gen to hit 120fps. Input lag too noticeable on a mouse though.
>>742219736Dog shit at anything above 1440p. I have a 4k monitor and am forced to use DLSS Quality to barely maintain 60. Anything below that scaling makes it looks awful. Even a theoretical 6090 that doubled the performance of a 5090 would still struggle to give you 4k native at 60 fps and that kind of jump isn't happening.
>>742219993By any chance do the NPCs' skin rendering still look a slight bit oily on your end, since you're running a higher base resolution? I get more prominent/sharper skin detail with PT off, but that isn't worth the price of having PT off.
>>742220372This is 4k DLAA. Yeah I'd say it's pretty freaking oily.
>>7422186715800x3D cpu, and anything for gpu. Idk I guess a 5070 or ti
>>742221041This is what I get from a 1080p DLAA shot. Granted, night time, and random street NPC vs some story NPC. Naturally it started raining 5s after this shot and every other NPC in the area started fucking glistening as a result.
>5090 on 4k tv>dlss performance>raytracing off>graphics high >locked 60>locked 120 if game runs itYup, it's gaming time
It looks incredible with it on and off.
>>742221656With all of RT off I don't see why a 5090 couldn't just run 4K DLAA and maintain 60+ fps.
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>>742198634that's a 100fps difference man
>>742221741It can but I like how cool and quiet it runs, and on a tv it looks good enough just doing upscaling from 1080p
>>742175918>>742175978>>742176178I know I'm late to the thread but OP is running his GPU at a much lower clock in his right-hand screenshots than in his left. That's why he is getting a much lower FPS. What a disingenuous fag!!! The difference is like 300MHz which is about a 10% drop.
>>742222505Is it possible that's due to the rt cores being utilized?
>>742202442Anon it was made to "run" on the ps4, don't expect actual quality.
>>742223384RT cores bottlenecking the rest, thus the clock isn't as high on the GPU.
>>742176708Nobody has called you out but I will:He's still getting decent frames with RT on you absolute mong.
>>742223947>lose 34% of your frames>visibly no notably difference in the scene.
>>742224407>it looks the same. No difference at all. Everyone who runs path tracing just imagines any differences
>>742221581To be fair the shot I uploaded was a random street NPC too. I just opened photo mode and flew right up to his face with depth of field and full collision disabled.
>>742175918I wish half the money spent on ray and path tracing was instead used to create unique models in your character for cyberware
I hate how modern graphics is just Substance Designer materials slopped all over everything and then screen-space shaders shit all over everything into a shimmering jello mess that takes several frames to resolve itself when anything is in motion.
