I find gnosticisim to be very interesting. Any games that explore these ideas?
>>742228268>kicking a gnostic in the ballsAny games for that feel?
>>742228268The seance of Blake manor features a gnostic preist
>>742228268all the japanese ones
>>742228682thisFrom games are pretty explicit about it
genshin impact
>>742228616Great game. Deserves more recognition.
>>742228268Idk. Anything cyclical or involving layers of understanding or reality. Nips like to do this (le church is le evil). Neir Automata maybe (I'm trapped in a cycle and I want to kill God). "It was all a dream/simulation" is a common gnostic trope. You should abandon the idea of leaving. Simulants don't have higher and more real lives.
>>742228268death stranding.
Hylics it's very fun. I've even done a Wayne only run.
xenogames and megaten
>>742228682It's really sad to see Japan struggling against its demonic conquerors with demonic weapons in a demonic arena for the amusement of the demons.
Christianity by itself is interesting enough
>>742229535all people sensitive to the veil are struggling right now brotherstay strong
>>742228268>I find gnosticisim to be very interesting.Correction: you find the Wikipedia article for gnosticism to be very interesting. Name 5 gnostic texts.
>>742229893allahu akbar
Gnosia, probably.
>>742229820>the veilyeah fuck you too, for using their language and pushing their narrative. It's all money and war and genocide and you know it.
Manichaeism is cooler
>>742228268Legacy of Kain and every Shin Megami Tensei game>>742228493Unwitting servant of the evil archon you are, for in kicking your fellow son of Adam in the balls you stand only to further dim the already woefully faded divine light of Sophia residing deep within your prison of unusually bloated flesh.
>>742228268Smoking a bunch of DMT while you club yourself in the head with a hammer is thr closest you can get to true gnosis
>>742228268I feel like 80% of video games nowadays have some stupid Gnosticism undertone in them. So just pick any game at random and you will find one eventually.
>>742228268The Talos Principle
>>742228268I remember Deadly Premonition having some gnostic themes: https://portal.research.lu.se/en/publications/the-god-in-the-machine-occultism-demiurgic-theology-and-gnostic-s/
>>742228268many final fantasy games explore these sorts of concepts, and they are not subtle about it at all
>>742228268The TES games, especially Morrowind.
>>742228268Morrowind
cyberskunk 2077
>>742229893you are fat and ugly and have a disgusting comprehension of the english language and also i'd really like it if you killed yourself
>>742229893not even wikipedia, it's probably a youtube or tiktok thing
>>742230179WORD LIFEThis is basic thugonomicsThis is ba-, basic thugonomicsWORD LIFE
>>742229893Boku no pico the novelization
How the fuck has no one mentioned Cruelty squad. It's the only one who handles Gnosticism beside the vague concept of God Bad.
>>742228493>OW OW OWWIEEEEE>DEMIGURGE WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS TO ME SPECIFICALLY ARRAAAGHH
>>742230104>unusually bloatedI'm svelte as a gazelle, but a fine turn of phrase nonetheless.>Unwitting? SERVANT?now them's fighting words, and you've already marked your balls for kicking.
Gnosticism is insanely stupid pseudo-theology fanfiction for people who want salvation through their own arrogance instead of humbling yourself before the Lord. It won't work, but you can see why it appeals to elites, redditors and Jews very strongly.
Most Xeno games delve into it in some ways.Some are incredibly overt like Xenoblade 3.
More or less any J-RPG, Genshin Impact, etc...
>>742228268The Shin Megami Tensei series
Somewhat, also Expedition 33
>>742230548Only 2 more millennium left till salvation
>>742230548t. Archon
>>742230548you know there was a christian version of it right?
>>742228268>Any games that explore these ideas?lots actuallyjaps were crazy about it in the 80s and 90s because of eva, devilman, and so on
>>742230797No man knows the day of the LORD.
>>742230882>because of eva, devilman, and so onCorrelation is not causation.
>>742228268Dominions
>>742228268Gnostisicism sucksI wish we got Manichaeism kino
>>742229893Basically the same thing. We didn't know much of anything about gnosticism till they dug up the Nag Hammadi texts in like the 40s.Getting a wiki summary is perfectly sensible for such small and out of date texts in the primary sources.
>>742230984Manichaeism is the sonichu of religion, and it's still just a type of Gnosticism.
>>742230041not all of it. there's a reason why they fear christiany but not the pope
>>742231020>till they dug up the Nag Hammadi texts in like the 40sBAHAHAHAHAHA of course that's when the shit took off
the biggest problem in christianity, i.e. the problem of evil, remains unsolvable unless you take the gnostic position (or similar ones like marcionism etc.)privation theory is sophistry, while other theories like corruption, total deprivation, positive evil just straight up prove against the almighty god being good
>>742228268Xenogears....You niggers told me this shit was so elevated, turns out it's just gnosticism....AGAIN
>>742231361like 90 maybe, may as well have posted secret teachings of all ages
>>742231276>'perfectly reasonable take' is just sophistryYou saying that is itself sophistry
>>742231361Annnnnnnnd here's the Demiurge-core. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and doesn't know what's going on.
>>742231020Could all be a larp anyway, like Voynich Manuscripts. Someone making up some weird to be contrarian.
>>742231228>more god nonsense"christianity" is just people. Christ is just people. THE POPE is one people, with fifty million catholics under him who may or may not gaf what he says or thinks or does. What was that scripture about who and who not to fear? Tldr you have a brain parasite.
>>742231178No its notThe world of Darkness is both the material and outside of our reality
>>742231550Gnosticism is LARP, these retards got bullied by the early church as theyd come in and go "DUDE I FOUND JESUS DIARY!!! IT SAYS TO SMOKE POT AND THIS CHICK NAMED SOPHIA IS THE ACTUAL REAL WAY OUT"
>>742231487These heretics are so low, it's hard to look at them.
>>742228268I dont understand why people think flat earth and firmament are stupid if presented on their own but if you present it under gnostic framework its accepted and seen as intellectual. Its literally the same thing. OP is posting a flat earth image. But he called it gnostic so people are suddenly welcoming of it instead of hostile.
>>742231361Those are some mid ass books. A real intellectual would call them decor/pussybait.
>>742231778CAT IN THE HAT ONCE AGAIN BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>742231485Sure. Maybe 190
>>742230179
>>742231020>We didn't know much of anything about gnosticism till they dug up the Nag Hammadi texts in like the 40s.Wrong on so many accounts. Look up the Cathars and the knights templar. This is just two standout examples. The gnostic framework itself is a core human fable that turns up across hundreds of civilizations and peoples in history.
>>742231969>no bro, check out the catharsI'll save everyone in this thread some trouble, they were proto-protestant heretics that sprang up by retards and got btfo by the real church.
>>742231953"I don't read." - Kanye WestAnd neither do I. If it can't be expressed through some bantz on an Eritrean wickerwork forum, it is not worthy of consumption.
Get fukkin destroyed.
>>742228268CULTIST SIMULATOR laddie. Just look at all that flavor. PROTIP: This game is the main inspiration for Reverse 1999.
>>742230548>fanfictionIt's older than the modern conception of christianity aka the divine trinity and the divinity of jesus as a doctrine.
>>742232302>its older than ChristianityAnd? The Jews of the OT predate gnosticism but surely you don't say that they're correct
>>742228268I wish there were 3D games in this artstyle. The only works represented are usually 2D point and click games, not even 2D RPGs, maybe a menu UI at best. I want to look up and see the shit in that picture, it would be sick as hell, man.
>>742232271ah lov gacha
>>742231969>The gnostic framework itself is a core human fable that turns up across hundreds of civilizations and peoples in history.This is the crux of the matter: the human condition is ubiquitous, perfectly natural, and wholly independent of all mysticism or superstition. The non/existence of higher powers changes nothing.
>>742232271The original, Underhand, is way better. Cultist Simulator is a goddamn mess and painful to play.
>>742232491I disagree but respect your position far more than any institutional religious zealot.
>Gnosticism is legit bro, just read our prooftexts which include the likes of forgery, forgery, forgery, feminist forgery, black Hebrew israelite forgery, an ancient text that "predates Christ" written in 9th century English, Graham Hancock's most recent Ayahuasca trip, and my complete refusal to read the entire bible, but a verse from 2nd Maccabees
>>742232440I will not recommend The Furnaces of Paligenesia(sp?) as a valid piece of culture, but the album cover does have the noneuclidean hellscape you crave.
>>742232672inb4 someone calls this anon a jew or someshit like that
any game where you kill god. because they think god is actually a bad guy le demiurge and the real god is the god of the spirit world where you go after you die and the god of the physical realm is the evil god. it's dualistic nonsense
>>742232829word
>>742231361You only need pic related lol
>>742232829jews being against gnosticism makes perfect sense because it positions them as henchmen of the demiurge
>>742232430the old testament is not about jews, the jews are of the tribe of judah which is one of the 12 tribes of israel and are barely talked about in the bible, not to mention the vast majority of 'jews' today are not even of that tribe but are from other nearby nations that came in later
>>742231361Cat in the hat is too good to be lumped with that low brow trash
>>742232990I don't think Elizabeth would like this guy whoever he is so I don't care about him.
>>742233005a stopped clock is right twice a day
>>742231684Its not just a random ChickSophia means wisdom/knowledge
>>742233053>but those Jews arent these Jews I'm not saying the Jews of today are the Jews of yesterday, I'm saying a religion predating another is not evident of truth.>but I'm gonna make some pedantic point that you can't call the Jewish people of the OT aren't allowed to be called Jewish
>>742228268KinogearsKinosagaKinoblade Chronicles
>>742233253i'm not arguing your previous comment that was another anon i'm just saying they are literally not jews, it's a psyop, by jews, to make people buy into their bullshit about having any right whatsoever to the holy land
>>742230548Anti-semites who kneel before a dead jew as their god are hilarious.
>>742233253based noticer
>>742233382I think what this comes down to is whether or not we agree that OT people are not the same as people living in Israel people, which we clearly agree
>>742232750Nah, I want it to be fantastical and lighthearted. There are other even brighter interpretations.
>>742230548Gnosticism, which is a broad term so for clarity I'll say I specifically mean the kind of rejection of the god of the canonical we call the old testament as being about the evil demiurge, is simply the most logical path when trying to hold both the old testament and the gospels as truth.
>>742228268Elder Scrolls Morrowind
>>742233527Gross. I can accept that you won't go in for doomer shit but :|
>>742233429the 'jews' (pharisees, precursors to the babylonian talmud following schizophrenic rabbinical jews of today) literally killed christ because he would not stop telling people about how they were lying through their teeth about every aspect of the word of god and were snakes, hypocrites, and overall pieces of shit. jesus was the original jew hater, he was not a jew, it's like saying hitler was a jew or that martin luther was a catholic when he died
>>742228268Cyberpunk 2077 was so on the nose gnostic that it was almost annoying.
>>742233668>trying to hold both the old testament and the gospels as truthApologetics...nauseating.
>>742233668Thats not true though. You'd have to ignore all of the parts that say Jesus is God and God is good, and Jesus is in union with the father.Gnosticism only works when you make some weird halfclaim that the OT and or the NT are partially true but not true in the parts that completely destroy the mechanism of gnosticism. Some of the most popular verses in the new testament debunk Gnosticism, which is why gnostics have to go the Islamic route of "They were corrupted/they aren't true" to navigate John1:1
>>742233668When you're a contrarian high schooler, yeah it sure seems that way
>>742233932>fucking ad homyellow card, bitch. report to the penis explosion chamber.
>>742233860John 1:1-10 for referenceIn the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.9 The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not. 11 He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. 12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
What the fuck is going onWhat the fuck are you all talking aboutPraised be the God of Abraham
I still don't understand what the fuck gnosticism is beyond a bunch of schizobabble about a demiurge.
>>742228268PANTHALASSA just came out and is literally just about Gnosticism (but you're robots on the seafloor).
>>742233860Your argument falls apart because you assume gnosis needs the Bible, or any other book for that matter, in order to function. It does not. Gnosis is self-validating. Scriptures, anthropology, psychology, physics, etc. these are all just pointers and often come muddled with politics, projections, power interests etc. Read through a gnostic lens John 1;1 reads as >In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with the God, and the Logos was God.And it makes perfect sense in that framework.
>>742234257there is a physical realm and a spirit realm. there are 2 gods, the good god of the spirit realm, the evil god of the physical realm. your goal is to maximise knowledge in life to achieve 'gnosis' and then die
>>742234341>you argumentYou mean your argument? >>742233668>is simply the most logical path when trying to hold both the old testament and the gospels as truth.
>>742234341It makes perfect sense actually!Except the omission of the demiurge and the recognition that the logos is Jesus. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. 15 (John bore witness to him, and cried, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.’”) 16 And from his fulness have we all received, grace upon grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son,[b] who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.This is what I'm talking about, you junior college dropouts refuse to read the book
>>742230041There is more than the material, anon. Not all that exists can be defined in terms of chemistry or physics. Some things stretch the definition of existence itself.
>>742234257>god is a cyclopean demon snake parasite leeching off the cosmic energy conduit to play minecraft>we are the villagers>steve is the initiate, the buddha, the ubermensch>zombros and skeletons and endermenNow you're caught up. Minecraft is gnostic enough to qualify for this thread, incidentally.
Why are Christians so fragile about other people's religion?
>>742231684It's a lot more high IQ in terms of concept and it's likely this is why Christians hated it so much. It's intrusive greek deep-thought that doesn't match the jewish sand religion "My god is better than your god and then went super YHWH III and retconned your gods from existence including his own father!" mindset.
>>742234778Wow, all those forgeries seem so legit now!
>>742234536>Not all that exists can be defined in terms of chemistry or physicsThis in itself is a constraint of your flesh, weak as it is. Just because you would be obliterated by any one of the forces holding this reality together, doesn't mean they're incomprehensible or ineffable.
>>742234746First commandment requires it.
>>742229893Are there even 5 Gnostic texts?>Book of the Watchers>Gospel of Judas>The ApocryphaI guess you could include Greek Hermeticism since its basically the prototype of Gnosticism.
>>742234746>bunch of gay smelly stoners show up to the councils with retarded theology, clearly having not read the scripture and proposing the gospel of Oliver age 10 >booted for being retarded>"You're just suppressing the truth myaaaaaaan stop being so fragile!!!"
>>742235070>gospel of JudasCommonly agreed as fabricated and incoherent with the gospels by way of "Jesus told me to sell him out, having accomplished my goal I then hung myself"
Cultist Simulator and Book of HoursFirst is basically starting a heist crew more than a cult and the third is a weird combo of house renovation and visual novelBoth expound on the virtues of self improvement and drug abuse though
>>742235070Book of Enoch? Zohar?Or are those more kabbalah?
>>742231343It's not "just" gnosticism
>>742234536>>742234946Nothing is unknowable, the sacred only exists in your own mind, and you were never, ever, important or necessary outside of the semi-closed system you exist in.
>>742234257It’s a first century branch of Christianity that interpreted the texts in a different way and included some apocrypha that the Catholics decided didn’t work with the narrative they were trying to stitch together.
so why did all the old folks decide to chimp out and destroy all the gnostic texts
>>742228268JWEGs universally are steeped in gnosticism
>>742230406That really got under your skin huh?
>>742235149>Commonly agreed as fabricated and incoherent with the gospelsI dont care. The Shroud of Turin was considered fabricated until recently too. All of these writing have 'some' inherent value to them and its up to you (not the Council of Nicea) to decide what is important and what isnt.>>742235169>Book of EnochThats part of the Apocrypha. I think the Zohar is mostly Kabbalah but they're similar in some ways, which makes me believe that theres more to Gnosticism than what Christians dismiss it as.
>>742234257It attempts to answer the problem of evil. Why does the universe seem to suck, if there is a God, and there is only one? Answer: it's just not built very well. Like a minecraft world designed by a brain damaged kid. Something went wrong, and that wrong is potentially in the designer.
>>742235320Did you ever think to read said old folks and find out what they themselves said?We've got their writings on the matter you know.
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAJealous NIGGERS. I'm better than you.
>>742235320Every. Single. Time.
>>742235320Can’t have conflicting texts, although I’d bet the Vatican archives do have some surviving info. Catholic power came from the fact that they were the one true source of salvation, so texts that go against the narrative are an issue.
>>742234491The verses actually make perfect sense once you stop treating the text like a flat instruction manual, you fucking autist lmao.The demiurge isn’t missing, it’s the reason the passage even bothers contrasting “the law given through Moses” with “grace and truth through Jesus Christ.” One’s the lower order of rules and separation. The other comes from way above that. That’s the whole point. And yeah, the Logos is fully in Jesus, he’s the clearest expression of it we’ve got. But it’s not like the principle suddenly started existing when he was born. Jesus talks like he’s been around forever (“before Abraham was, I am”) and keeps pointing people back to the same thing inside themselves.Now the part you quoted:“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” the Greek is eskenōsen, which literally means “pitched his tent” or “tabernacled.” It’s not some permanent “God crammed himself into a body forever” thing. It’s the divine principle temporarily setting up camp in human form to show people what they forgot. The glory they saw was that light shining through the meat suit, not the meat suit itself being the point. “from his fullness we all received, grace upon grace” and “no one has ever seen God; the only Son has made him known” basically saying the real deal is invisible and way beyond direct access. The revealer is what lets us glimpse it. That’s literally gnosis 101.
>>742235320Same reason they destroyed Pagan European tradition for jewish mystic babble.
>>742235320St Ignatius, disciple of St John the apostle, said "Gnosticism is fucking stupid and destructive" as in, will send you to hell.
>>742235559Valintinus founded a whole school of gnosticism and almost became pope.
>>742235482Kino supremo
>>742235495And when Jesus says you have to eat the flesh and drink the blood, what gnostic church do you go to that gives the Eucharist? Or is that just poetic and he means "like just imagine it in your brain bro"
>>742235610Correct, and Tertullian says "He got mad and jealously formed his own church when he didn't get picked lmao"
>>742228268Rance series has some similarities
>>742235696Jealousy, or a disagreement on the theology they were actively piecing together at that time?
>>742230548>desert tribe death cult worshiper acting superior to anybodyLOL
Witchfire
>>742230548you worship a kike on a stick
>>742235784>piecing togetherThe early church denied Gnosticism. Further, valentinus didn't even believe in sharing "muh gnosis" with the lay folk, so by your gnostic beliefs he was effectively intentionally damning people despite "KNOWING"
>>742234778>high IQI would not call it that since IQ has nothing to do with it. But gnosticism like some mystery cults feels more rewarding to the initiated since it gives you the feeling of scaling up a ladder as you uncover the mysteries. Traditional Christianity lacks mystery, since everything is in plain view for the initiated
>>742235910My point is that at the point they were still deciding what Christianity was, and that if Valintinus was successful, we now would have a very different Christian theology. Also the church was always about keeping secrets and information for themselves.
>>742235620Transubstantiation. Christ is the Word made flesh, and the Eucharist is just an excuse for the priest to cop a feel.
>>742236019>ifIf my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike
>>742236067You're saying she isn't?
>>742235934>I would not call it high IQTheir concept of how reality is structured has much more intelligence behind it than what Jews believed in at the time.Abrahamic world building is pretty fucking trash, even with Islam trying it's hardest to "make sense of it" with shit like the "Two Race" concept.
>>742235934Gnosticism just answers the problem of the all powerful, all knowing, and all good god allowing evil. Having an issue with that paradox is the iq signifier, although I’d argue that it isn’t much. Actively seeking out different theologies on its own is the greater iq indicator because it proves the person has some intellectual curiosity present within them.
>>742236024You're just saying words now. Where and how do you eat the flesh and drink the blood?Transubstantiation is a Catholic belief, not a gnostic one
Super Robot Wars XThe final boss is literally the demiurge
White peepo be stealing all they religions from asians
HELLO fellow cultivators!
>>742236139>Gnosticism just answers the problem of the all powerful, all knowing, and all good god allowing evilMore apologetics. Fucking pathetic.>Pascal's Wager: the house always wins! Make way for the high roller, Shiva the Destroyer!You're an ape and you were bred for war by an uncaring universe.
Gniggas be like "nah I got the forbidden knowledge and start talking about the Sinai bible and the emerald tablets of Thoth" :facewithtearsofjoy:
>>742228268Dragon's DogmaGrigori is basically an archon>>742235728His scenes in Kichikuou and 10 are great. I love that he becomes a little bit more humble by the end of 10 after what happens in part 2.
>>742236139It also comes to the conclusion of paradise being unexistence sort of like Buddhism.Not even Christianity or Islam can explain why being in heaven next to god is a "purpose" or dwell on a concept that a reality without pain or any negative element isn't necessarily some kind of ultimate fulfillment.
>>742236140The ritual is what matters, not the trappings. As you focus on the divine, you are sanctified by seeking it. Or something. You're right, I described it badly. Because it's fake and gay.
>>742235620You seem to be treating this verse as if Jesus is writing a recipe for cannibalism. I don't understand how you can possibly read this at surface level when the man is literally telling you >This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven... the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world... Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life... For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.Right after he drops the point>It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.He's describing the exact same thing as John 1 that we just discussed. The entire book is literally hammering you over and over with this symbolism and you still choose to act like a retard.
>>742236547>Its symbolic broWhich is why he tells us to do it as a form of anamnesis? Give me a break dude, read the book
>>742228268Marathon, but as a humiliation ritual.
>>742236547In Catholicism, Jesus Christ's blood and flesh is literal
>>742235850>still not getting it
>>742236853>dismissive vaguepost
>>742228268Depends on how much you like or at least tolerate block puzzles...
>>742236415I’m not saying the faith is real faggot. I’m saying it directly addresses ann issue the popular versions of Christianity fail to adequately deal with. None of this shit is actually real. It’s mythology, and how different people approach the same stories over the years is interesting. Like how nobody likes to acknowledge that the original version of the Abraham and Isaac story almost certainly ended with Abraham sacrificing Isaac, since child sacrifice was popular in the region at the time. Abraham decends the mountain alone.
>>742236947>the original versionDid that come to you in a dream or from your favorite tiktok atheist?
>>742236136High IQ doesn't have anything to do with Intellectually. Take Mennochio for example, a simple peasant with access to books and an amazing imagination
>>742237078#gottem
>>742229893Maybe he just started. Nigga, calm down.
>>742236649Even Paul of all people warns his followers not to eat and drink judgment on themselves because they’re not “discerning the body.” He knew people could go through the motions and misunderstand the concept and have the movement end up becoming the same ritualistic nonsense they intended to destroy. This discussion is the exact reason why some people decided it would be better if the plebs didn't meddle with this stuff. Jesus was already doing damage control in the previous verse if you think about it "the flesh profits nothing". Anamnesis isn't some magic word that forces everything to stay literal and external. The church has done with it as it has done with all religious texts, subverted, flattened and misdirected the idea into a crude ritual that half of the practitioners barely even understand.>>742236846Yeah, they're retarded like that.
>>742233005>>742232672All gnostics use the jewish book the zohar and in the zohar they claim its an ancient tradition when it was written in the medeival era. So trying to say like its anti jewish or whatever is very foolish. Thats why they all share the commonality of pretending to be ancient primeval traditions while being written merely 1000 years ago or so.In practical function theres no difference between theosophy, gnostiicsm, freemasonry, and then yes even the christian equivalent is essentially jesuit mysticism
>>742236947That wasn't me; I don't take cheap shots this far into a discussion. But there's little left to say; I'm tapped out at least.
>>742237078All these stories are borrowed from previous cultures regardless. It does seem that you’re incapable of arguing outside your theological bias.
>>742231528Gears of war!?
>>742229328Hell yeah dude. I bean saiyan.
>>742228268Deltarune is the only game ever that I felt like oh shit I'm looking at shit I'm not supposed to be looking at!
>>742237467Again, that was some other pick-me asshole. But my theological bias is bigger than his.
>>742237415>all gnostics
>>742237409>ritualistic nonsenseYou know nothing of church history dude, hang it up. Paul believed in the Eucharist, John believed in the Eucharist, Ignatius believed in the Eucharist all the way down to and through Aquinas and up to today.
>>742236878>still
>>742232238explain gears of war, pls, lol how does it fit into this
>>742237646>judgmental Moloch worshiper incapable of a normal conversationSurprising to nobody.
>>742237701It isn't, but you might be able to stretch the "THE ALIENS INVADING EARTH WERE ACTUALLY HERE FIRST" is the kind of gay subversive shit you'd expect of gnosticism
>>742237761>"aliens" being on earth first having anything to do with gnosticismTypical disingenuous religious fundamentalist.
>>742237846Well idk what to tell you bud, that's about as far as you're getting with gears of war
It's just my favorite games. It only accidentally turned out that way over time. I'm not actually smart.
>>742237909Your post had nothing to do with gnosticism.
>>742237972And neither does Gears of War
>>742238035It's still demiurge-core buddy. Cope.
>>742237626>appeal to authorityJohn didn't even write an institution narrative for the Eucharist the way Paul did. In John's last supper, who washes his feet? And what does he follow up with after saying "eat my flesh and drink my blood"? It's something along the lines of "the flesh profits nothing, I speak of spirit and life" iirc. Would be a weird way to show he "believed in the Eucharist" like the later tradition would end up doing. Ignatius was fighting docetists who denied Jesus had real flesh at all. Of course he talks up the Eucharist. That doesn’t automatically mean he meant the fully developed medieval version with Aristotelian accidents and substance. Aquinas is 13th century. The real question is what they thought it actually was and what it was for. “Paul believed in the Eucharist, John believed in the Eucharist” is true in the same way “they believed in baptism” is true. Taking your faith so blindly and going through the motions must be rough when someone shakes the feathers.
>>742237725>n0t g3tt1ng 1t
>>742228268Everything? Dumbfuck?
>>742237078I encountered a Cannanite restorationist from Israel arguing with Jews and a bunch of Christians and they could not understand that the oldest versions of the old testament straight up talk about El the father granting his son YHWH Israel.
>>742235221No. There aren't perfect words for it, but all there is exists within everything. A sort of infinity in every conceivable direction, and then some.
>>742238127Ignatius was a disciple of John. Do you really think Ignatius made up his belief of the Eucharist absent John? Further, you're willing to jettison the beliefs of the apostles for gnosticism? Really? Just say you don't believe in the Bible and save yourself the trouble of "nuhuh"ing 2000 years of church history
>>742238195El, the god of war from the Canaanite pantheon? Whoa!
>>742228268>gnostics are just christians too wimpy to handle the old testament godWhy are they such pussies?
>>742233778coping jew worshipper
>>742238559jew
>>742238517Because gnostics disproportionately support doing drugs and sucking cock, so they have to square that circle somehow, and church is BOOOOOOORIIIIIIING and I'm 2 levels from prestige'ing Gary, you're not my real dad!
>>742238591yes, you worship one and cannibalize his corpse weekly
So lucifer was the good guy cause he went against the demiurge and was cast away
>>742238629das rite jewboy, we're eating you next
>>742235482Praise be to the waifufags.A ray of sunshine upon these stupid fucking unclean heathens that occupy my land.
hope you like shitty puzzles
>>742238662Yes actually, in the apocryphal of John(second century forgery directly called out as bullshit by Ireneus)
>>742230548Truth nuke
>>7422358502deep4/v/
>>742238717so you do admit to being a cannibalistic jew worshiper?
Outside of the more obvious ones like El Shaddai or SMT, Genshin oddly enough draws a lot. I assume Chinks and Japs find it cool rather than understand.
>>742229893Fuck off Matan, you jew.
>>742238830yes, there's nothing i love more than eating jews
>>742238559the entire world hates you by the way
The easiest people to ragebait are atheists, gnostics and pagans
>>742238406Yeah yeah, and some castles made of sand. You're infinite, inevitable, and indestructible. So what? What are you gonna do with it? Jerk off to kike propaganda or tell them to suck your fucking dick like the whores they are?
>>742238662depends on how many layers of gnosticsm you want to go down. Sometimes Satan and Lucifer are two distinct beings, with Satanael being the aeon that beat up demiurge and Lucifer being the angel that got upset YHWH wanted to give humanity control of the world. The word "Satan" in Hebrew just means adversary, so while Lucifer is A satan, Satanael is THE satan.
>>742238431>appeal to authorityHe was a man like any other. This is why we write shit down. So we can check and verify instead of blindly trusting chain of tradition. The very book that you report to know so much about constantly invites you to test, probe and verify, yet you simply refuse because le pope daddy said no is not a sign of faithfulness. It's the sign of a goy in submission. There's nothing inherently heretical about noticing what Jesus and John emphasized doesn’t line up cleanly with the highly literal, ritual-heavy version that became dominant later. Paul already had to correct people in Corinth who were treating the meal as empty external performance. The tension of vain repetitions rituals and traditions taking over the true teachings was there from the very beginning.
>>742238591yeah, they're herethread was good for a while
>>742238874>>742238887the cope begins
>>742238982Who?
>>742239015i ate this guy
>>742238482He was the father of multiple gods and most traits of YHWH being the holiest "Father" figure were ripped straight from him since the original YHWH was clearly a warrior god.Jews at some point just retconned him out despite early genesis stories treating it like there are multiple gods.
You're feeling very very stupid.
>>742238968>appeal to authorityAppealing to the church fathers with the closest actual connection to Jesus makes far more sense than your complete incoherence that noone believed what they said and intentionally misspoke because it helps your retarded argument about gnosis
>>742239176christjewsisters what is this?our spinoff fanfiction is being exposed...
>>742228268sadly no, games have never explored the concept of gnosticism. hope this helps!
>>742239036shitters asking useless questions, reiterating the discussion but worse, and being greasy in general
Hope you get a brain aneurysm.
>>742239236I'm not the one wearing that hat.
Hope you get a brain aneurysm. I don't read your garbage. You're useless posters. This board should be mine.
>>742239330desu idk what you expected, every argument (specially religious ones) ends in jewflinging on this site
>>742239273I accept your concession. Honesty with yourself is the first step to enlightenment.
>>742239090ugly things are often tastier
Classic /pol/ tism thread disguised as an /x/ thread
>>742239597You don't unnderstand man the jews are in the walls man
>>742239663wasn't it sewers they were crawling out of
>>742239729They are nocliping now
>>742239597A lot of common contemporary topics were commonplace on /x/ long before /pol/ got popular. The internet or 4chan or /x/ did not start in 2016.
>>742229328how retarded do you have to be to think death stranding is anything other than buddhist concepts
>>742229893Chill, you have to start somewhere
>>742239775In sort of defense of that anon, gnostics mostly just rip all of their ideas from a thousand different directions and religions.
>>742239535The schizo man marches on
>>742229893>Name 5 gnostic texts.Pistis SophiaThe Gospel of ThomasThe Gospel of PhiliphThe Gospel of JudasThe Book of James
This is totally gnostic
>>742232990John Paolucci mogs him.
>>742228268Gnosticism is like that time you smoked weed and said "Woh, dude like, what if god was like, actually the devil", except instead of LOLing and moving on with your life you wrote a million pages of cope and seethe.
>>742228268Cruelty Squad
>>742228268ULTRAKILL is kinda going that way.
>>742239775how retarded do you have to be to think eastern religion is somehow immune to la glow boheme
The problem with Gnosticism is the premise that if you have secret knowledge and say the right words the Archons will let you through the gate. The Archons are ignorant oogah boogah niggers but they're also the gatekeepers of reality. I think if you go up to them after death and try to say some smart shit they just bitchslap you and send you back to reality. Forever. Because they're niggers and because they can.
>>742241875it's all a metaphor for initiation into the elite pedocult. You learn the slogans and the gang signs, you make that paper, you learn to lock down your own shit and presto, you are a demon prince, free to rape and destroy.
>>742242109The gnostic explanation (or even christian) is that satan is the god of this world and all power institutions follow the domineering and self-propelling axioms of the demiurge. That's why evil power hungry institutions like the state are able to gain and hold power.
This thread has taught me that literally every single video game is about Gnosticism.
>>742229140lel
>>742242370>BUT HERE'S WHY YOU SHOULD GIVE US MONEY AND AT LEAST 12 HOURS OF YOUR LIFE A WEEK AND ALSO YOU CAN ACT SUPERIOR TO FILTHY HEATHENS AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A PONY WHEN YOU DIEok that's not gnosticism but gnosticism is equally stupid and impractical. Might as well worship trees and rocks because the highfalutin philosemitry is just a humiliation ritual.
>>742243126Correct!
>>742230292>>742230318why wasn't this the first reply? fucking hylics in this thread
>>742228268Dragon's Dogma if you squint a bit
Gnosticism feels like it can refer to a category of beliefs, a belief within that category, a religious or philosophical practise, an aesthetic descriptor or a synonym for esoteric. Unless explicitly supported by the creator or given a very clear throughline, I'm highly suspicious of any alleged "references" to """it"""
>>742243658>kills a false god in a video game, thinks he escaped the matrixkeep reading, newfag, maybe you'll learn something
>>742228268what is yalls definition of gnosticisim
>>742243821the entire concept of chim is kirkbridge on mushrooms reading gnostic texts but ok
>>742243994I wouldn't know because I don't dutch oven my own brain with satanic(yes) propaganda, but it's hardly surprising the devs at bethesda were huffing the brown nitrous.
I'll give you real knowledge.All these religions are mind labyrinths, traps, to keep you busy and occupied, trying to search for the truth and for meaning, but the reality is that they are meaningless. You may just as well believe in the dark souls lore.
>I find demon worship very interestingOh, how very original. Maybe you should practice fortune telling with tarot cards too?
>>742246473i'm not a woman
>>742244435you are a funny guy. i like you.
>>742230047It's crazy to me how manichaeism at one point was one of The Big World Religions alongside Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc., then vanished in the span of like 2 centuries or something
>>742235559wasn't that St. Irenaeus
Shin Megami Tensei
