I watched that commercial yesterday. Link drinking Mirinda, the fact that it's a real commercial is simply awesome.

People saying "read a book" are in bad faith and never actually read one.
For me:
Amazing story >>> Gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trash filler story

>>742272276
watch a movie

>>742272276
Read nigga read

>>742272797
You never read one

>>742272509
Whenever you use a potion or milk bottle, you should be forced to watch the character slowly drink in real time. He'll also take small breaks to catch his breath and enjoy the view before finishing his drink.

>>742272276
i wish women would leave my hobby alone

>>742272276
Consider perusing a novel

>>742272797
name 5 books

>>742272276
visual novels/interactive fiction

>>742272276
>>742272701
you are essentially saying "i do not value the medium for the thing that defines it".
you have no right to feel indignation when people that actually appreciate the medium tell you to go away

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I'm making a game but it's mostly just for me to tell a story and explore a setting, the gameplay is going to be like you're playing wow (tab targeting) with the one button rotation. You could play it one handed, you can be in combat and read 4chan and wait til the enemy is dead. It basically plays itself. You just need to focus on the story or just explore.

>>742272991
Videogames are a great medium for self-inserting and exploring though. They are not the same as movies or books. I'm not saying gameplay isn't essential, it's just not as important to me.

>>742272991
Another bad faith argument.
There's is nothing that defines a video game, certainly not gameplay. VN's are considered video games and the only gameplay is strictly pressing next.
Anything interactive on a computer device is a video game.

>>742273212
>I don't like it so it's le bad faith
redditor moment

>>742272276
I feel like if the story is not tied in hand with the gameplay it's not going to be good. Unless you want to read a visual novel.

>>742273606
>fag moment

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>>742273212
>There's is nothing that defines a video game, certainly not gameplay

>>742272991
Reducing the video game to just gameplay is reductionist, as if a book were only fluid prose and not what it wants to communicate, or a film without a story that produces only suggestions through its direction. Hegel placed the word at the top of the hierarchy of the arts, which is the reason why even today there is this toxic hierarchy like book > film > comic > video game. I don't agree with this hierarchy, but I find the use of the word very important, even if you can convey emotions without words, it is more easy for it to be accused of being a mirror (a Rorschach test)

>>742273796
>>742273606
How is a story driven game that minimizes gameplay "not valuing the medium that defines it"

Go ahead and define a video game and be sure to explain what the fuck "gameplay" even fucking means without trooning out.

>>742273606
>Nigger moment
Bad faith website bud.

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Gameplay > Music > Visuals >>>> Story

>>742272509
I don't even remember seeing this commercial, and trust me, I watched a lot of tv. I saw the Mario "Got Milk?" Commercial, the Banjo fruit by the foot commercial, the Smash Bros. commercial etc.

>>742274026
Is this real? I don't think that's healthy for the cat...

>>742273165
fair, but you again can't really get upset when the essential thing isn't that important to you and other people find that offputting.

>>742273212
a game is a set of arbitrary rules and mechanics with which you engage as a means to have fun, improve and also usually work towards a win/lose condition.
i can define that very easily. if you can't fathom defining that, that's your problem.
>VN's are considered video games
by who? is a choose your own adventure book a video game? also stop acting like grey areas don't exist, do you have autism?
>Anything interactive on a computer device is a video game
notable video games such as excel, word and tinder, lmao

>>742273813
it's not reductionist, it's just true.
i don't care about what someone else has said, use your own mind.

if you remove the visuals from a film, it's not a film anymore. if you remove the music from a song with lyrics, you're left with prose, it's not music anymore.
if you remove gameplay from a game, it's not a game anymore.

this is not reductionist, it is simple logic.
you might not like being accused of not appreciating a medium for what makes the medium what it is, but that doesn't change the facts.

also the word at the top of hierarchy of arts is simply gay nerd shit for people with no feelings.
music alone can say more than words, so can visuals

>>742275232
I didn't say that gameplay shouldn't be there, but that it can be used to convey a story together with the word. You say that visuals alone or music alone can say more than the word, I'm not questioning that it's possible, but I have the feeling that it often becomes a mirror, like Evangelion, where people have been saying everything and the opposite of everything for 30 years, it makes you think "but is it the work that generated the depth, or is it the audience that projected its own emotions onto it?", it's just my doubt.

>>742273927
that was never the claim. learn to read.
also the phrase was "not valuing the medium for the thing that defines it".

you can play jewish word games, dancing around definitions, which you yourself refuse to give, because you want to make the onus of explanation entirely on the other person, in order to try to "win" the argument, all you want. this doesn't make you right and especially doesn't make you smart

>>742275553
>but is it the work that generated the depth, or is it the audience that projected its own emotions onto it?", it's just my doubt.
why not both?
art from a consumer perspective is very subjective imo. people make art because they want to express themselves with whatever medium and skillset they learned to work with. how people experience other people's expression varies wildly.

I agree with you that gameplay can definitely serve to convey a narrative, meaning, story and everything else on top of being mechanically sound (that's the first priority).
I'm just saying that as a general rule, what we refer to as gameplay, which is the interplay of game logic, mechanics, controls, level design and the resulting pacing and game flow, is what makes the medium what it is and is an entire craft onto itself.

devaluing it in any way, inherently devalues the very medium you want to engage in. it's like saying you think lyrics in music is generally more important than the instrumental part.

>>742272276
Games are holistic. If one part fails, the entire package is neutered by it

>>742276031
I agree, and I think that's why we have games like Planescape Torment or Nier Automata, where the gameplay is structural to the storytelling. I believe there are just different ways to use the medium, and having that variety is a good thing

>>742276756
if everything else is good and the story or dialogue is bad or silly, that just makes a great game with a silly story. Resident Evil for example.
if it has bad gameplay, it's just a bad game.

there are kind of sub par games that get elevated to enjoyable levels via a very strong atmosphere, music or story. the original Nier comes to mind here.
but a game with truly bad or meaningless gameplay can never be good. at least I cannot think of an example.
however there are tons of games with barebones, bad or no story and general writing that are excellent games

>>742276996
I can agree with that sentiment generally, yeah

>>742277204
Yeah but people basically remember RE for the silly story and characters. Nobody talks about gameplay. It's mostly just serviceable. I agree it's holistic but gameplay is the least discussed thing in any fandom.

>>742272276
Read a book.