>make a series of games about driving>make the fourth one so you'd rather avoid driving and take the cab everywhereWhat were they thinking?
>>742276837avoid driving? why? are you scared? pussy.
>>742276837filtered like a redditor
>he didn't spawn in an attack helicopter and fly himself to missions
gta4 really is trashthe antagonist is barely in it and basically just leaves a couple bitchy phone calls90% of the characters are annoying as fuck its the most empty city of all GTA from gta3 onwards
GTA4's driving is the biggest fucking pleb filter of the late 2000s.
GTA 4 had the best driving physics, retard
>>742277229you can't use cheats in the main story anon that's cheating!
I think the issue is the map more then the drivingWith mainly 90 degree turns and dense city grid you can't really enjoy the driving. The only really open stretches are the highways and there are no fun curvy roads
>>742277609use the brake pedal you dumb fucking gorilla
https://youtu.be/fETxn-xIvBY
>>742277658I know how to drive dipshit The criticism is they put in a very detailed weighty driving model and gave you no fun roads to race on
>>742277318For some reason everyone complains it's too "floaty". It's easy to get used to. Oh my opinion GTAV cars feel too heavy
>>742277731>to race onretard spotted
>>742277803They see it happening on screen instead of feeling it so they don't understand it and think it's a flaw. Same as the people who think the camera is "off centered" when driving, they just have no spatial awareness
>>742276837The dating/hangout mechanic got really annoying if you forgot to turn your phone off. If you reject, you get penalized. Meanwhile if you're bored and reach out to go bowling with cousin, they can tell you fuck off with no issue.
>>742276959The roads are absolutely filled with taxis and cop cars, I'm using the fusion fix which supposedly fixed this bug but it's still fucking ridiculous.
>>742278121>If you reject, you get penalizedHow will you ever recover from that -1 friendship score>they can tell you fuck off with no issue.Just keep calling them until they say yes and run them over
>>742277031Based Clone Kurono
>>742278352>there are too many taxis and cop cars in my NYC parody, I will use a mod to fix it
>>742278418You get perks for hitting a certain friendship score. You shouldn't get penalized for having a life outside their random cravings for darts or bowling.
>>742278716>having a lifeas retarded as your argument is I don't know what perks you would even be getting
>>742278491>nyc parodybut i thought gta4 was supposed to be a more gritty and realistic gta game
>>742278930It comparatively is
>>742276837They fixed most problems in EFLC version, no need to play the shitty original
I miss all the slav immigrant clothes in GTAIV
>>742278930it is. the parody of GTA 4 is an immigrant going to america and realizing it is a third world shithole. It's not knee slapping comedy but it's more like universe irony
>>742278121>If you reject, you get penalized.Accept the request to hang out.Call them back and cancel plans.There, you have successfully told them to fuck off without being penalized.
>>742276837they were always mogged by the superior driving game so they just stopped trying
>>742279414Driv3r actually sucks
>>742276837IV has the funnest driving in the series tho, you just need to take a little time to master it.
>>742279248this might explain why the game was more popular outside of USA
>>742277031The only bad thing about 4 is the shit vehicle variety.
>>742279843definitely because GTA 4 is unironically how everyone saw america in the 2000s
>hey man... you wanna like hang out or something sometime? like if you're too busy right now it's okay I guess
>>742280226NO DWAYNE I DID NOT CALL YOU WHILE YOU WERE IN THE SHOWER
>>742279932yes, and American people are only starting to learn it now. Slowly..
>>742283243Learn what?
>>742283698That the US is a shithole.
>>742283879It was depicting how people saw the US during the 2000s, not how it actually is. They took the worst parts of NYC and put them front and center because Niko is a depressed third worlder and only sees the worst parts of the world
>>742279843nah, ruskys and macacos jumped from samp to gta rp. gta4 stayed an odd, buggy, "unoptimized" curiosity to pconly poorfags.
>>742284326It has some self-deprecating humor but I guess US citizens only like to hear yesmen and don't take kindly to such criticism. Also Niko isn't a sympathetic character at all, he lies to others and to himself that he wants a better life, but still goes on robberies and rampages. His words don't match his deeds.
>>742276837Just say the driving is shit. You are not afraid of few youtuber shill contrarians, right?
>>742285163You can just say you suck at driving anon
>>742277318>best driving >every car from a SUV to a supercar drives exactly the same>and they all handle like a 1970s buick that leans 45 degrees when turning and understeers like you have 2 flat front tires at 5mph >best
>>742279882eh not really, car customization would've fixed thati really miss not having GTA:SA or GTA 5 car customization in 4
Not that you can't get used to it but the cars do feel very heavy and slow, even sport cars. It makes up for it with having the best physics ever to run over people with though.
>>742285237>set in 2008You are definitely too young to remember the SUV roll epidemic
>>742285237>>742285427yeah this was a real problem that even the simpsons made fun ofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTQ-YljDT0I
>>742277031black people don't hate it, they just don't like it as much as GTAV. https://youtu.be/pkfV__aF1m0?t=7136
>>742285237people harp on 5 for being arcadey but at least driving is fucking fun 5 figured out motorcycles a lot better also
>>742285805driving in 4 is fun you retard
The driving part is really on the only thing good about this game.
>>742286001cool story but I need to slow down and pay the toll to drive in our city
>>742286112no you actually don't
>>742276837>removed tanks and planes from the gameWhy?
>>742276837I only just recently realized that every GTA cover since 3 has had a helicopter on the top left.Feels like the last ounce of SOVL this IP's got left.
>>7422863059/11
>>742286180the police will have a talk with you in that case
>>742277031>GTA game>Nigger repellent
>>742286349*cheering quahog residents*
>>742278930
>>742286434So fucking what? Cops chasing you in GTA is a problem now?
>>742276837The driving is great, the only thing that sucks is the gay ass toll booths.
If you dislike the driving in GTA4 you simply aren’t white.
>>742286682retards filtered again
>>742286716supongo que onions blanco
>>742276837You talking about 5 for whatever reason and posted the wrong boxart? 4 had amazing driving and physics and 5 was a huge downgrade in every regard. Good thing the GTA online thing popped off for rockstar since nobody much cares about the quality of the SP in GTA5 from what I've seen.
>>742286961>Good thing the GTA online thing popped offYeah right, we could have had GTA 8 by now
>>742279248People miss that the game is really a critique of immigrants who don’t assimilate whether it was intentional or not. >leave your shithole country for America >continue to behave like a criminal thug and carry all your old world bullshit with you >ruin your life and blame the country you arrived in >most people’s takeaway from said story is that the American dream is …. Le dead
>>742287062true but niko never blamed the US as far as I know, he blamed people. And it was Roman that made him come over to the US in the first place, and Roman's enemies he had to deal with
>>742286434>not speeding through the checkpoint so fast that you lose the cops in 10 secondsngmi
>>742277731>>742277609Lobotomized by racing games
>>742287276It’s funny because even though Roman overhyped the US he leads a perfectly nice life. He has a business, a roof over his head, a girlfriend, and gained weight since he arrived in the US; he worked hard and was given a peaceful, moderately successful life. What gets him into trouble is gambling debts, and even though Nico never blames the US thats the message people take from the story. But again, I really doubt rockstar was making a plot about how an immigrant could be the source of their own problems after arriving to the US in 2008. Their “satire” of the US has generally always been really juvenile and mean spirited.
>>742287881He lives the life of an exploited immigrant under Vlad's heel, hardly peaceful and moderately successful
>>742288090After Roman borrowed a bunch of money and went into debt from gambling. Probably shouldn’t have taken money from a crime boss.
>>742287881>Their “satire” of the US has generally always been really juvenile and mean spirited.Are you gonna cry you fucking bitch? Who cares how the video game depicts your fucking country? You would be shocked how many people want a GTA in their home city, kill yourself
>Driving is badWhat’s the matter SAboy, afraid you might learn something?
>>742287881>an entire state has a higher GDP than one Chinese city>naturally we used the valuation of our hyper-inflated fiat currency and not the yuan, but what's the difference?
>Played this game when I was 8 years old back in 2009>Never had an issue with driving>Replayed it again in 2024>Still no issues. Is it really that fuckin hard for you worthless faggots to slow down before a corner?
>>742288653Why hello seething third worlder! How’s the weather in Pakistan today?
>>742289472
>>742287881Because chonjing in broad daylight without the led lights in full blast, looks like the rundown third world city it really is, clearly showing that most people earn less than 3k per year wages before taxes.
>>742289565>I'm offended by GTA
>>742290008>critique is now being offended You can criticize the US all day be my guest (doesn’t stop us from being the best country, especially after we fix a lot of the current bullshit). But using gay and lame writing that sucks to do it is gay and lame.
>>742290464>critiquing GTA>calling GTA juvenile and mean spiritedYou sound like those old autistic retards who get mad when they see street racing or wheelie videos
>>742291057I have no clue what you’re talking about, please enlighten me. But yea calling something juvenile is a critique, and most GTA satire is because the games themselves are juvenile due to the fact that they’re made for 14 year olds. If I wanted a great critique of America I’d watch the Wire.
>>742291838They basically do what you are doing, hiding disagreement with the culture behind a blanket critique. Go watch the wire then
>>742277031spbp /thread
>>742292209I’m saying their critique, as written in GTA4, does a poor job of saying the thing they wanted to say and instead gives off an entirely different message in a response to someone else earlier in thread. Part of the reason I think this is the case is that their cultural criticisms tend to be lazy shit like “Weasel News.” You think I just don’t like any criticism of America. Two different things. But yeah god forbid I talk about GTA4’s plot in a thread about GTA4.
>>742293239How exactly does it do a poor job? What "message" needs to be heard in a GTA game?
>>742277031This. The negroid mind cant comprehend GTA IV's level of kino
>>742288653Don't even try reasoning with the shart. They love dishing it out to others but any time you criticize their country in the slightest, they have a supreme meltdown and start demanding you tell them where you live so they can start making fun of you. I mean just look at how seething you already made him>>742289565>>742290464>>742291838>>742293239
>>742280226Everytime I kill Playboy for the apartment, but I regret it because Dwayne is such a fucking buzzkill loser
>>742293527Read the earlier message. The game is a critique of the American dream concept but the whole conflict of the game comes from Roman being a retard and nothing systemic. He has a decent life that be built from almost nothing after he arrived and jeopardizes it due to his inability to not gamble. Niko arrives and almost immediately starts getting into criminal bullshit due to this. For a game that most people take a criticism of the American dream, there’s very little here to blame on the American system and not the action of these two characters. I never dictated what “message needs to be heard.” I mentioned what I think to be a poorly done part of the games plot and message (one the devs have been open about). It’s not the critique of America that’s the problem it’s that it’s done poorly and usually has the subtley of something like picrel. How I personally feel about the US isn’t the point.
>>742287062Nta, but all these points are valid. GTA IV is about immigrants who refuse to assimilate, its about the american dream being smoke and mirror bullshit, its about realizing that you cant fully escape your past and start over on a clean slate, its about how vain and miserable the chase of a big fortune is (diamonds), and finally its about experiencing loss as consequence of your criminal actions.Its amazing how Rockstar has managed to write something like GTA IV and RDR1. GTAV and RDR2 are a total downgrade compared to their previous entries, and Im 100% sure that Rockstar is too castrated to reach the same narrative levels with GTA VI. Hell, GTA VI's writing wont even be as good as GTA V is.
>>742294457>It's a bad critique because I don't like itThe american dream was always for the rich to make money off the poor, that's not even a criticism unique from GTA 4>I'll post a garbage meme to prove I'm not biasedYou said a lot of butthurt bullshit, I can't wait to see how you guys cry about 6
>>742294838>Hell, GTA VI's writing wont even be as good as GTA V is.GTAV is a pretty low bar, that game’s plot is all over the place. Three characters was too many.
>>7422768373 was miserable for driving too, and Jeet*'s blatant cheating for NPCs is obnoxious. >Your car has 5 HP and will spin-out at the slightest bump>NPC car has 1000 HP and will drive perfectly until it finally explodes
>>742294995Yes the meme is garbage that’s part of the point of the fucking post you retard. Learn to read holy shit. I don’t like GTA4’s plot because its message and plot are at odds with each other.
>>742295137I'll say that the whole thing worked in the end. GTA V's plot has sitcom logic; lots of emphasis on multiple characters who act like they are always on cocaine and do currraazzy stuff all the time, and with only the bare minimum in terms of substance. GTA V is a good parody of 2010s, but thats all there is to it.
>>742295528>I need subtle satire in GTAI think you are the retard desu
>>742294457>anon butthurt over gta is a MIGAt that gets upset at anyone satirizing modern conservatismbig surprise kek. off topic but did you watch pic related? if you haven't i recommend it. the asshurt it will probably cause will make you rupture a blood vessel.
>>742295593I think if you cut some stuff and trimmed it down there’s something really good in there, I always loved the stuff with Michael and Franklin, but the latter got screwed due to lack of focus throughout the game I feel. Michael’s arc was a genuinely quality insight into the hollowness of wealth without any of the stuff that makes life actually worth living, which ties nicely into the super shallow Los Santos celebrity setting. Once the FiB takes over the plot the game gets a bit derailed. The game kinda feels like Scarface to me, more style over substance.
>>742277031It's a good game but a shit sequel to the PS2 era of GTA
>>742293845You can make this cope about any game because blacks have bad taste
>>742295729It’s funny because many people I know – who all believe in man made climate change – that watched this movie thought it was mediocre due to how it’s constantly bashing you over the head with its message. Turns out people want their critique’s done well. You assume I’m a magat because I’m mocking a left wing cartoon, but what I’m mocking has nothing to do with the fact that it’s a left wing cartoon, it’s that it has nothing interesting to say and what it’s saying isn’t even conveyed in an interesting or creative way. This the error you retards keep making with what I’m saying about GTA. Deactivate your left-right brain for five fucking seconds.
>>742297047I like Kamala's hat
>>742297252It’s cute but the panel is more of my point. The message is that Kamala beat Trump at debate by baiting him but the execution is terrible. Why does Kamala need a hat to label who she is? Why is the bait just labeled fucking “Trump bait” and not whatever topic the artist thought she used to bait Trump? I’m convinced almost all political cartoons suck, especially the more labels they have.
>>742296368Well, yeah, Michael is about being the boomer experience in the soulless and vain 2010s, Franklin is about doing the right thing as a hood nigga and getting the fuck out of the hood(and also being the middle man to the volatile relationship between Michael and Trevor), and Trevor, idk, is about being the crazy meth man?As you said, the fact that the plot lacking focus is the outcome of juggling too many characters on the screen. They would ruin the balance of the plot if they decided to focus on one specific character too much, and to be fair, the majority of the plot already leans towards Michael. This is why I said that GTA V has sit com logic. Friends is a similar example. The show will find opportunities to show more about a character, but most of the times it must keep juggling with every character on the screen in order to keep balance.People can say whatever they want about how 3 protagonists can or cant work narrative wise, but you gotta admit that this was a fresh idea for the GTA series in terms of gameplay
>>742279882the vehicle variety was quite large though, I was surprised how many variations of each vehicle there was once I fucked around with simple native trainer. it was all just locked out from regular players
>>742297047It's unironically just a video game you masochistic fucking retard
>>742297927I think GTA6 sticking to two very connected characters is going to do wonders for it. Plot wise my worry is that it’s doing to feel kinda dated due to the really long dev cycle, and that they’ll lean into stuff that doesn’t even require parody because we’ve already been so inundated by it that it won’t feel novel. Like is a joke about some celebrity selling nfts gonna be that funny when we had a president shill one like 5 years ago? It’s at risk of having its lunch eaten by the real world.
>>742298046>studios spend millions to create cinematic stories with tons of cutscenes, themes, and stuff worth discussing >people acknowledge that effort and discuss it seriously >”erm it’s just a hecking video game there’s nothing there!!!”Uh huh yeah I’m sure
>>742298878the video game is making fun of america, what sort of explanations are you looking for?
>>742279374Wrong.
>>742298501>I think GTA6 sticking to two very connected characters is going to do wonders for itIn theory Rockstar can give us a more focused plot with that protagonist strategy, but there is always the chance for IV's plot to end up all over the place like GTA V, because they either want to include more side characters, or to mitigate ludonarrative dissonance>Plot wise my worry is that it’s doing to feel kinda dated due to the really long dev cycle>is a joke about some celebrity selling nftsThese are valid worries since the trailer seemed to hint that GTA VIs humor will rely on old irl memes. I mostly worry about how Rockstar kept rejecting Dan Houser's drafts about GTA VI by calling them "too dark", (something that made him leave the company), and the GTA Online basedllenial character writing.
>>742299218*always the chance for GTA VI's plot
>>742298985Way back all I said was that GTA4’s critique of the American dream was done poorly, some thirdie crashed out and interpreted that as me hating any critique of America, and everything since then has been a response to that. My point about gta’s lack of subtley is more to back up that their satire of America has never been particularly good which and their inability to do good critique is probably why gta4’s more serious attempt didn’t really work for me. See >>742287881
>>742299218>GTA online writing More or less everything I hate about GTA writing. I remember trying to get the acid lab and the Fooliganz had me on suicide watch. A darker GTA would be kino, 4’s faults weren’t its atmosphere, but they’re probably worried about alienating the mass normie market.
>>742299401It wasn't done poorly though, you are just a butthurt little pussy
>>7422768374 was the last one to have decent music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAz3rnLGthgAnytime I hear "Flashing Lights", I think of walking into the strip club for the first time, and how comfy life was back then. Whoever decided to put Kenny Loggins in charge of the rock station in 5 needs to get beaned in the head with a rock.
>>742279882Vehicle variety doesn't really matter to me because this is the only one I'm driving anyway
>>742299401Their satire usually misunderstands or misrepresent the actual problems that plague this fucked up country but I actually just enjoy the earlier works satire from the PS2 era. The later games I enjoy for different reasons but I do agree their writing has continued to decline and have gotten more and more "self aware" over time(self conscious is more like it the majority of the time something is touted as "self aware" it's actually just overly self conscious)
>>742276837no one like this games
>>742299218>IV's plot to end up all over the place like GTA V,I'm also afraid of it ending up like RDR2 along with GTA5. So sick of these "working with the cops" stories, rat out your friends, "we are bad guys but we aren't REALLY bad guys" fuck that gay bullshit it's so fucking played out. I would much rather just have a more straight forward Vice City style story. Tommy was self actualized he didn't second guess himself he just acted, he just got shit done. So tired of these whining faggots they have been ramming down our throats for the last 15 years in videogames. I don't want a fucking pussy who is depressed because he's a criminal and constantly has to second guess himself because I guess the poor nigga still has a heart boo fucking hoo.
>>742299218>>742304407it's obviously just going to be a cuck drama
>>742277031an asian woman wrote this because they love bad driving
