Why did we stop using CRTs?
>heavy as fuck>small resolution>heavy as fuck>60fps cap>heavy as fuck
>>742299346>Why did we stop using CRTs?>eeeeEEEEeeeeEEEEeeeeEEEEeeeeEEEEeeeeEEEE
>>742299413>60fps capmy crt can go up to 140~
Because CRTroons were so annoying the average person would do anything to not associate with them.
>>742299467Fuck mine used to do that thanks for reminding me
>>742299346there are different assets between the two shots? why they both look like OG RE4
>>742299498post the resolution
>>742299346The presumption was that the shitty image on thinner TVs was a temporary thing until the tech improved, which it did, but then EU energy regulations killed it in the cradle so we're stuck with your options either being burn in or washed out colours.
Because everything is on a steady downturn into anti-soul commodification. Nothing can be good anymore, everything must be 100% efficiency over enjoyment. The goal being total demoralization.
>>742299346There were big and heavy and a bitch to repair. Good luck carrying an 80" CRTV up the stairs.
>>742299523>there are different assets between the two shots? why they both look like OG RE4One is probably the gamecube original, and the other is the notoriously bad PC port
>>742299413>>742299346>>742299498People are generally dumb enough to break them open and snort the mercury vapors
>>742299576the ideal is 2304 x 1440 @ 80Hz
>>742299576NTA but I ran mine at 1440x900p@120Hz for a while.
>>742299413They could do 1080i/1080p and 60hz on a CRT is like 120hz on an LCD.
>>742299413crts were high res, just as high as lcd or higher before they stopped developing them and way over 60 fps, actually you could probably get them as fast as you wanted.they are heavy though and kind of dangerous too
wtf is this comparison supposed to convey????????
That TV weighs over 200 pounds.
>>742299963If you can't see it, there is no hope for you.
>>742299963>>742300019>wtf is this comparison supposed to convey????????RE4 GC and RE4 HD Project
>>742300107why?
>>742299413trying to explain to zoomie fags just how obnoxious large and heavy these things were is pointless. it's going to be another episode of pining for shit you never lived through.a 27" CRT tv was at least 80 pounds, and roughly as deep as the screen size.
>>742299346Less profitable to produce and distribute than cheap-ass LCD panelsscreen peddlers successfully sold arguments like weight or bulkiness, which primarily affect producers and distributors way more than end users - meanwhile, no one ever criticizes LCDs being easy to topple over due to light weight and lack of stability from their flatness, or how large screens also generally need two people to handle them safely when moving.>but LCDs got better with timeCRTs would also improve if production continued>but bad geometrySED/FED would have solved that issue>but headaches/eyestrain when using for long periodsit was ironically healthier because it forced you to take breaks, compared to eyes being glued to an LCD screen for 10+ hours with no breaks>but bad picture qualityagain, if CRTs had continued to be produced, the quality would certainly improve. for example, TVs getting better tubes to get at least as good quality as PC monitors>but interference due to analog signalLCDs around the time CRTs still were available were also analog and also suffered from interferenceno reason a CRT couldn't have an internal DAC and use digital cables like DVI or HDMI and avoid signal quality issues
>>742299346>>742299602>everything is on a steady downturn into anti-soul commodification>Nothing can be good anymore>The goal being total demoralization
>>742299346look how they massacred my boy....
>>742299346Because most of them were shit and heavy as fuck
>>742300378SED/FED displays were basically flatscreen CRTs that got killed by the 2008 Recession right before they went to production for consumers.
>>742299346CRTs get heavy past 25 inches or soThey are also crazy dangerous if you are dumb enough to try and repair one yourself not as dangerous as like a microwave's components but still not something to play around with
>>742299467For me it the FPHTHUUUUPFF when you turn it on
>>742300429yes it was a profit/cost thing mostlyearly lcds were way worse than crt at the high end, but cheap so they were usually competing with cheap crt modelsthe mass market rarely cares much about the high end of anything though
>>742300429Flatscreens were much easier to transport onto boats and trucks. That's why they caught on so fast. "1080p widescreen resolution" was also a nice selling point.And CRTs will never have a nostalgic comeback like vinyl and flipphones because we unironically lost the technology to make them. Whatever number of CRTs left in the world are all we'll ever have.
>>742301097they made 1080 widescreen crts tooit was not a selling point, them actually being affordable was
CRTfags are so annoying.
>>742299346They were more expensive to produce.
>>742299346Btfo RE4 remake
>>742299346What the fuck am I looking at here ? >top:OG RE4 on a CRT with shitty pc resolution >bottom:OG RE4 on a CRT with good pc resolution
Remember what they took from you.
CRTfags are either too young to have experienced them when they were current technology, or older poorfags seething that they can't afford non-shitty displays like OLED.
>>742299346HeavyLow resolution
>>742301541nvm i found it >>742300107What a garbage bait thread
>>742299346CRTs sucked ass.Only zoomers who have never seen one has fake nostalgia for them.CRTs have their place for old games that were graphically designed for them but other than that CRTs are trash.
>>742299346It's not too hard to see why we ditched CRT's for plasmas. With plasma you could have a 60" TV with razor sharp 1080p resolution, beautiful HD colors, and motion resolution on par with CRT. It was also thinner and lighter than a rinky dink 34" CRT.Going from plasma to LCD was when things went to shit. LCD's have garbage picture quality with low native contrast and shitty motion resolution. There was a period of time after plasma and before OLED when LCD dogshit was all that was made. Those were the dark ages.Check Facebook for used Pioneer Elite plasmas. Those were the best TV's ever made for a long time until OLED's problems were fixed. They still have the best SD picture quality you will see and games look insane running at 1080p. You can get one for like $100. They were $6000 TV's back in the day.
>>742299413>60fps capDon't need any more
>>742299346Because they're worse in every way? Bad resolution, bad refresh rate, weighs a ton, what's the point?
>>742300437You can buy crts on amazon right now.
bros, why did we stop having jesters perform a minstrel show in person? none of these fake electronic displays can even approach the graphical fidelity of having an actual person perform for you
I own a QDOLED. 2160p, 240hz. It's not even close. I could only DREAM of video quality this high back in the CRT era. Anyone seriously arguing that CRTs are better for video is DELUSIONAL and a COPING NOSTALGIANIGGER. Modern screens are crack for the eyes.
>>742300746>right sed/feduhhhh
>>742302127It's a >I'm a neet and I live in a tiny studio apartment|room at my moms, I can't fathom having enough space for a bigger screen, or enough money for a modern PC. I only play tranny-core indie retro pixel shit games and that's all anyone should play.Thing, you wouldn't get it anon.
>>742299346They were fat and used a lot of power. Also they could cause some headache because the picture isn't perfectly stable with brightness.
>>742301571literally the oppositepoorfags are the ones that don't know how good crts got and have zero nostalgia for themcrt nostalgia is an unironic boomer thing because only they had so much money to waste
>>742300849yeah but that sound is actually nicethe whining drove me crazy
>>742302509>crts>goodCome on unc. Come on. Don't be fucking retarded. CRTs do not have good video quality, this is a lie propped up only with games designed for CRT screens that have been poorly adapted for flatscreens. A CRT cannot match the quality of an LED from a decade ago, let alone now. Who are you trying to fool.
>>742299413I dont think alpha gen understands how heavy those things were, you could legit get seriously injured moving a 40 inch, it was a whole thing.
>>742300849>bwaaaaaammnnnnnndegaussers check in
>>742300746>SED/FED displayswhat could've been
>>742299413>Heavy as fuckI can lift my old 17" monitor with one hand, you're a pussy.
>>742302623i know english is hard for you because you are a brown third worlder but i never said that they are better nor do i think so. what i said was that most do not realize how good they were and that the people with nostalgia for them are usually those that did.pretty simple desu
>>742299413you forgot>they make a high-pitched whine that can be heard from across the house
>>742299346>left a good trinitron back at my parent's house on a Phillips CD-I kiosk>>few months later>>we threw away your stuff, including your old PCs and boxes
>>742301974>bad refresh rate
>>742303896YAMEROspeaking of has anyone bought one of those gsync pulsar monitors that are supposed to use scan lines like CRT to fix this? are they even out yet?
>>742300746>>742303328>fixed pixelAt that point just buy a plasma or OLED
>>742303896That's still pretty decent for an LCD
>>742304210Can you even buy Plasma anymore?
>>742303896Who fucking cares about the lack of blur when the native video quality is so much worse? Also>LCDIt's 2026, we use LEDs now.
>>742303896I'm content with shaders for the look and feel of a CRT, but this is the one thing that modern monitors haven't replicated yet. All it would take is for them to advance strobing tech, but I guess they just don't give a fuck.
>>742299346I still have 3 crts in my house.
>>742302719It genuinely terrifies me to think how heavy and power-hungry a 65-inch or bigger CRT would be. As much as I appreciate the strengths of CRT tech, the truth is that it would have been a massive handicap on screen size development and there’s no fucking way that I’d go back to some 20-30 inch TV now.
>can "hear" CRTs through walls multiple rooms away (the field the tube is making, not the speakers)>feels like a high-pressure whine in the center of my brain >walking into rooms with multiple CRTs would make me nauseous >this all stopped when flat panels became the normI don't expect you to believe me.
If you smear a good amount of hairgel on the screen it works as a touch screen, your natural static shoots back electrons and the deflectors interpret this as an input.
>>742299413You're right about the heavy part. I would have gotten a crt right now but I can't carry it on my own unless I get a smaller one. My eyesight sucks so I need the tv to be bigger than what most people can carry on their own.
>>742304704Are you gay, brown, retarded, or all three
>>742304267LEDs are basically the same
>>742304296>but this is the one thing that modern monitors haven't replicated yetNvidia did replicate it recently https://youtu.be/fRxzGyxJIbA?is=WCCqX7NwbqHwiVnx
>>742299413I have a 34 inch Sony in my basement that weighs 250 pounds. Needless to say, it is never leaving that basement
>>742304820>I don't know anything about electromagnetism or applied physics>they scare meIt's ok
>>742299346lcds are cheaper to makesimple as
>>742299346They are cumbersome to move around and probably more expensive to produce. That's honestly the whole reason. They are better than LCD monitors in every other way. People just prefer convenience and affordability to literally everything else.>>742301943>>742303896Take me back. I miss when videogames weren't blurry as fuck and you could move the camera without losing visibility or getting motion sick (since they use motion blur to try "hide" the blur now)
>>742304260Facebook Marketplace if you're in the US
>it's a trintroon threadlol shit poor tech
>>742305217>They are better than LCD monitors in every other wayCRTnigs are actually fucking delusional holy fuck. No, sorry, your SDR 60hz 480p display is not better than mine, get a fucking grip.
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>>742299346I used a 1080i CRT for way longer than I should have and when I eventually replaced it, I went from that to a 4K OLED. That jump was pretty crazy.
>>742305710>LEGO IslandFUCKING SOVL
>>742299346why does the bottom pic look better?
>>742299346You can ship and store 10x more flatscreens than CRTs and they are cheaper to produce. It's all about money. Bankers, industrialists will always spend their resources on created problems where there are none in order to push a product that makes them more money.
>>742302509I'm 36, I grew up with RF and CRTs. I didn't get a tv that had composite input until my teens. Fuck CRTs, they are trash quality. Give me an OLED TV and an upscaler (Morph 4K) any fucking day. RGB, VGA, IR Svideo, anything is better than RF or composhit.I agree with the other anon, you clearly didn't grow up with a CRT.
>>742302509>>742307594I dont understand retrofags who bitch at you oh my star science original hardware is where its at!!!!!!!!!! then connect retrotinks and converters and all this shit to turn the original experience basically into how it looks on emulator. CRT and composite cables or get the fuck out of here
>>742305217>Take me back.Nothing stopping you.
>>742307883That's very dishonest. They don't weigh that much. Especially that model.
>>742307945Some of them really do but it's really about the maneuver this guy is doing to lift it that is the real problem.
>>742307883RIP
>>742307883he still has back and related health injuries to this day from this
>>742299346Because HD resolutions would have made them way too heavy and large.
>>742307883That's probably around 75 pounds, awkward to carry because of the shape but far from impossibly heavy.
>>742307851You are literally a gay retard.
How many times do you niggers have to repeat the same threads?
>>742307883Fucking weakling
A QD-OLED 4K display with a CRT filter will mog your shit and probably cost less.
>>742308998That thing does not weigh 75lbs. Most of that shell in the back is empty space. Pic related is a 35lb CRT.
>>742299413>heavy as fuckDo you bench press your monitor everyday? Why is this an issue?
>>742306629BRICK BY BRICK
>normies hate how heavy and big CRTs are and they will gladly sacrifice image quality for a light and flat TV >LCDs finally become cheaper to make>manufactures drop CRTs like a dirty sock and normies are happy to let them die Wow!
>>742309356It looks like a 24 inch, most of those are 75lbs.
>>742309484>>742306629isle.pizzain-browser lego island
>>742309253I just wish they would make those in 4:3.
>>742299413kek i now remember my first year as a college student moving out to my first shitty apartment on the 10th floor and having to carry my big crt through the stairs because it didnt fit in the elevator, in the middle of summer heat, I thought I was gonna die
>>742309356It depends on the model dude those screens are heavy as fuck I got like a 40 inch one that weighs probably like 120 lbs. Go ahead go around start picking them up the empty shell in the back means nothing dude.
industry was going to shift over to lcd completely outside of a few remaining specialist needs. that means the hundreds and thousands of screens in every single office building in the world was going to be lcd. crt did not have the advantages necessary to stave of consolidation, display manufacturers were going to focus on the tech 70% of the market was adopting, instead of keeping two completely separate pipelines.
>>742309653>isle.pizza>pic related mfwAlso where do you find these sorts of links? A while back there was an anon who posted a link to a browser version of Super Monkey Ball. Is there a browser version of other lego games? Like Lego Racers 2? >The SMB link in question btw: https://monkeyball-online.pages.dev/Also, concerning CRTs, I don't miss them. I used them as a kid but frankly the monitors we got today are fine. If a game's visuals are tailored to a CRT then yeah it should be played on a CRT but otherwise I don't see the point. The high pitch whine would probably drive me crazy if I worked around it today.
>>742299346they were heavy and faggots like you couldnt lift them.
>>742310707idk i just like lego island and was impressed by the site i'm not a browser game guru
>>742304553It was godly playing halo 3 on my family’s 64in CRT
>low end crts>Color and glare issues out the ass>Shitty buttons >Maybe 20in if you are lucky>Only easily replaced because they were thrown out so often I swear I had like 4 dumpster crts at least>Low end LCDs>Nobody throws this shit away because they typically last 10+ years I still have my monitor from fucking 2012>Good enough picture quality >Can actually move it around and even mount it if I want to>Occasional dead pixel but nothing compared to crt coloration issuesOnly fucking retards who watched stranger things like crts
>>742310840That's fine. Good find though!
>>742311175>still have my monitor from fucking 2012>>Good enough picture qualityThese poorfags are on this board living like this
>>742311364My standards are low because I grew up with low end crts
>>742307883Is that Jerma?
>>742311575Somehow your standards lowered to want a lcd
>>742311768Post your crt instead of being a contrarian fag
>>742311175Eh? The only LCDs we had back in my day were on wristwatches and brickgames
>>742299346>Muh grafix n shiet
>>742299413>>small resolutionthe gdm w900 did 1920x1200 back in the 90s
>>742299346>Why did we stop using CRTs?i didnt and i literally have 15 stored in my house with most of them being pc monitors. I cannot even begin to describe how in literally everything but weight, early LCD was worse than any run of the mill crt. I will always laugh at retarded people who try to tell me that my pc crt is actually blurry or shitty in some way when looking at a high quality video or game literally looks like im peering through a window and the clarity/smoothness of the motion even at 60fps is still king despite nearly 30 years of trying to even match it. I get it in reference to tvs but the PC toob is literally the apex of display technology and at the tail end was reaching near 4k res despite the fact that resolution on a crt really isnt that important when playing a game.
>>742299346Ive always been annoyed that widescreen is the standard. A 21in 4:3, preferably 5:4, screen is fucking huge and is nicer to look at than a 32" 16:9 or some retarded ultrameme screen.
>>742307851Upscaler =\= filter.The upscaler also act as a bypass and flags option so it doesn't rely on the television to half ass upscale an analog signal. Also if the devs didn't want you using RGB then they wouldn't include it as an option.
>>742307883Hundreds of people died every year trying to carry CRT's upstairs. Never happened with an LCD.
>>742299346Because people started using HRT instead
>>742299346Because they were too awesome and we're not allowed to have awesome things.
>>742299508>this person who expresses a preference for a thing I don't like/care about is incredibly annoying!sounds like a you problem
>>742299413>small resolutionThe shitty ass consumer TVs are like that. Hence why you have those crappy ass CRT shaders for emulators.Actual CRT PC monitors easily go beyond "1080p" and still look better than most commercial displays.>60fps capThey didn't have issues such as ghosting, so 60fps on a CRT looks way better than 120fps on the average LCD.>heavy as fuckDo you even lift?
>>742301571Or CRTs are just better for the games that were made for them.SNES and PS1 games aren't going to look great on OLED.
>>742301830Every TV I have had since my CRTs have been dogshit in comparison. The only exception was Plasma, and that was good for new games but still sucked for old games.Kind of sick of "it's just nostalgia!" as an argument. But at least you acknowledge they're better for old games I guess.
>>742302623>uncPost discarded.Seems like it might have been worth engaging with if you spoke like a human but oh well
Crazy emulation fags look at raw pixels and are ok with it
>>742303896Why the fuck do the first two examples swing the camera around like a lunatic
>>742299346If you've ever had to move a 36" CRT you'd understandAsk yourself this, why did (you) stop using CRTs? It's not some ancient technology, its only been 15 years since the majority of household TVs were still tubes. If you loved them so much, you'd obviously have kept yours.
>>742304267>Who fucking cares about the lack of blur when the native video quality is so much worse?The video quality is fine for everything that was designed for it. Motion makes a huge difference.
>>742313190it was natural that displays leaned towards the motion picture format which is wide screen.
>>742304934Is this just creating fake frames? I don't want to watch a whole video that refuses to get to the point
>>742315129I do have mine and use them regularly.
>>742299346They weigh 4 tons for worse image quality.
>>742315129>Ask yourself this, why did (you) stop using CRTs?I still use CRTs for old games, but this is a retarded-as-fuck question. TVs die and CRTs are hard t to replace. A lot of newer stuff is badly suited to CRTs anyway. You're basically forced to "upgrade" to whatever is currently on the market.> It's not some ancient technology, its only been 15 years since the majority of household TVs were still tubes. They became difficult to find long before that, good ones especially. Stop being disingenuous.
>>742315129>If you've ever had to move a 36" CRT you'd understandIm not so limp wristed that i fear having to move something heavy once a decade+.
plasma > crt > led
>>742303608only white people can hear that.
ngl crts actually make you go blindthis is why we stopped using them
>>742315436>They became difficult to find long before that, good ones especially. Stop being disingenuous.In 2006 more CRTs were sold at retail in the US than LCDs. By 2009 every major consumer brand of CRTs had stopped sales.Only reason anyone bought the high-end sets like the 36" widescreen Trinitrons is because by the end stores were giving them away to get rid of them. Only a few years later you'd find them for free in the trash. Everyone with actual money back then bought a Plasma TV.
>>742314995personally I use composite shaders but not CRT shaders
>*displays the worst possible image in your path*
>>74229941360hz crt is like 360hz oled
>Posts a picture of my CRT with the main menu of a popular gameUs gamers, am I rite?
>>742316076>everyoneYou asked why OP (and by implication other CRT fans) "stopped using CRTs" (which we didn't), so by switching to "everyone" you're just moving the goalposts and appealing to popularity.However, you are essentially agreeing with me that "everyone" switching to whatever was new, regardless of actual quality, is what forced CRT fans to start adopting non-CRTs as well.So thanks for supporting my argument.
>>742316185I saw a lot of these used by students in shared accommodation in the early 2010's as anyone who still owned a rear projection TV would be willing to give it away for free, and students just wanted the biggest TV they could find for free.Good enough for watching a movie while drunk. Absolute nightmare to fix and guaranteed to break. Don't think I ever saw one that didn't have at least one color misaligned.
>>742316185I don't see the problem?
>>742301541Top looks better
>>742316629Everyone else threw away their CRT as soon as they could due to size.At the same time you could've had infinite CRTs if you really cared for them. I dumpster dived a Sony Wega for myself back then and also threw it out as soon as I could afford an LCD TV.So really the only reason you don't have CRTs going from floor to ceiling is because your interest is retroactive.
>>742299346Convenience.
>>742315087they're following the screen scroll motion.
>>742300849https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOm9hdTZLqM
>>742299346is the bottom some sort of upscaled emulated version
>>742315142but then they letterboxed it again
>>742315262No the image scans like a crt, line by line going down
>>742299346The only bad thing about them was that they were really heavy.
>>742316675that's a reflection you mong
>>742316675The TV is literally lighting up the area in ways that defy science and you don't even notice
>>742299346
>>742299346we got too focused on flatscreen tech and forgot how to do CRTs
LCDs kept getting cheaper and cheaper to make as they evolved, the CRT was a mature enough tech it had mostly hit its price floor. Plus consumers were really fucking stupid and for every person like my Dad that new lcd was trash tech there were 30,000 people who though "flat = new = good". You can tell the crt was still better for years because it lingered in graphics design, medical imaging, industrial tech, broadcasting etc. You can also tell it stopped being meaningfully better a long time ago when those niches moved over to lcds.
>>742299413>heavy as fuckthis in case anyone missed it
>>742307851I don't know about you but when I was 7 years old I was bemoaning how the 32X didn't have S-Video output in the year of our lord ninteen hundred and ninety six. So to me getting better video out of these old consoles is kind of wish nostalgic fulfillment in and of itself.
>>742316651which is a bit of a shame. a friend of mine has a crt projector that is very fucking cool and is an absolute pleasure to look at but i remember within the first year or so of having one, my aunts rear projection tv had to be fixed at least twice. These things really are, in my head the worst of all worlds when it comes to tv outside of having a big screen before flatscreens got cheap enough. Anyone who complains about crts being big has never had to rearange a room 2-3 times to get this fucking thing to fit in a way that is both comfortable to view and non obstructive to whatever room its in>>742316675the viewing angle is fucking shit. the entire right 3rd of it is just nearly pitch black.
>>742316185I hate these things.
>>742299346Because the TV market is primarily people watching TV and the computer monitor market is primarily people looking at spreadsheets. Gaming is a relatively niche use and had no direct impact on display technology going from CRT to LCD
>>742309457The issue is they very quickly wanted them off the market as soon as a viable alternative was available because all that weight added massively to shipping costs for the manufacturer. "Same" product by 5x lighter and 5x smaller was a huge benefit and rarely one they actually sort of did pass to the consumer since tvs didnt become much more expensive after the fact.
