Hate to admit it, but he's right. PC players were the first to usher in our cattle slave digital only environment. They fell first
>but steam hasn't revoked my games yet!
>>74238962320+ years on steam and I can still download any de-listed game in my library.
>but hecking le Gabe is based!Cattle
>>742389539nah, you can burn all your games if you want to. Consoles don't let you do that. The difference is control. Gabe gives control to the consumer if they want it.
>>742389539Because retail stores barely stocked any PC games... shelf after shelf of console trash. Then Steam came along and was like "want to buy games?" and we said "Sure!"Retailers didn't want our business.
Digital is much more viable on PCs than consoles.Not my problem.
>>742389539>it's Valves fault the internet and declining physical sales on consoles
fun fact : I can download and play this unlisted game from 2009 right now
Except in can sign in to any computer in the world with my steam account and play all the games I've purchased.
>>742389539PC gamers are the ones preserving games. Not console autists, who are apparently tech illiterate because they think getting something digitally means you don't actually have the data still.meanwhile their glorified paper weight will turn into a brick at the whims of the publisher.
>usher in our cattle slave digital only environmentthat's not XBOX Live making niggers pay to play Gaylo circa 2002
>>742389774This. PC is an open platform, so it doesn't matter.
YOU DUN FUCKED UPYOU DUN FUCKED UP
pc digital means you have direct access to the files and no one can stop you from doing anything, you're at most delayedmeanwhile consoles all come with encrypted games gatekept by heavy handed and limiting drm where you give admin rights away
>Fell*Ascended
>>742389539fake tweet, this doesn't exist on X, the everything app
how much per month does steam charge you?yeah...
>>742389969I wonder who OP is
>fake tweet! schizos are here
With Steam you don't pay for online moreover PC has more than one store so you can get DRM free games from GoG Also PC is more open to customization and you can pirate or emulate if you so choose.If anything there's literally NO REASON TO OWN A CONSOLE AT THIS POINTLet's not forget that PS6 is going to be $1000 guranteed due to rising RAM costs so at this point why not just invest in PC?
>>742389623he'll croak and a new ceo will enshittentify the service
>>742389539Yeah he's right. PC gamers should have pushed harder to keep physical media alive.
IS IT SO FUCKING WRONG THAT I LIKE TO LAUNCH MY GAMES FROM A MENU?
>>742390287I don't think so. If they're smart they won't do anything to rock the status quo.
>>742389539Yeah, it's nice having a platform where the store doesn't shut down after a few years isn't it.
im going to filter "he's right"
>>742390384>If they're smartlol
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/742319269https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/742317847/FAKE TWEET ALERT>FAKE TWEET ALERTFAKE TWEET ALERT>FAKE TWEET ALERTFAKE TWEET ALERT>FAKE TWEET ALERTFAKE TWEET ALERT>FAKE TWEET ALERTFAKE TWEET ALERT>FAKE TWEET ALERT
>>742389539>Console peasants cant run there ps1 games on ps5 without buying them again if they get made at all.>PC Master Race just emulates the games they purchased.Must suck being a console bro and hoping they give you the scraps of your childhood for a cost.
>>742389539This is actually very true. Disc drives stopped being added to pcs by default years ago
>>742389539People were calling Steam shit all the way back when it was new, and they still do. People never gave up.
to be honest I've basically lost or damaged beyond repair all my games from the 2000s so being able to just download shit off steam at any time is very convenient. it is yet to be proven that they will just take games away. Actually, the only thing similar to that is server shutdowns of game that require a server to play, those are the only ones I can't play anymore.steam would just suicide as a store if they started taking games you bought away. why would they do that
>>742389539*blocks ur path*
>>742390287gabe's son has already said he's been bequeathed it and he has no intentions of changing operations in any way because long-term he wants to fund motor racing in the same way gabe currently does ocean research
Since OP came out as a fag, I'm going to exercise my right to brap this thread, with no survivors.*BRRRRRRRRAAAPPPPPPPPP*
>>742390620>it is yet to be proven that they will just take games away.Stupid fuck, they can and they will. What are you going to do when it happens? Make more excused for them? You pathetic coward.
>>742389539Its fucking ironic when i think digital games with PC ports has done even more when it comes to preservation, i think i played more older games just because of these PC ports, why do you think more people talk about playing Condemned 1 compared to Condemned 2? Because 1 was on PC and 2 wasn't.
>>742390771It won't happen, and if it did you can just pirate anyway.
/v/ is a nest of retards
>>742390771it's too big to fail. they might try the frog boiling technique but anything like what Sony did would be met by enormous backlash by hundreds of millions of customers.Attorney Generals often don't do shit but one way to get them to is to have 10,000 people call them every single day. That one threat is enough to keep us safe.That's ironically why any attempts Epic makes at chipping away is bad for consumers. We need the numbers.
>>742389539Im sorry but no, that's demonstrably false.Before steam established itself as an actual store for other parties, PS3 and XBox 360 had already planted themselves as pioneers of the digital distribution, with games and/or dlcs that were only available on the digital store.>inb4 checking the yearssure, steam as a first party store for 3rd parties started around the same time PS360 released, but by the time enough 3rd parties actually started publishing on steam to the point it became the first choice for publishing games, PS360 were already in their advanced stages of digital content distribution.
>>742390771>cannever said they couldn't>they willit's an unknown. you can scream all you like but no one knows yet. explain what they would have to gain at making it so you couldn't download some 3$ game you bought in a steam sale in 2013.
Well, maybe if that fat fuck Gaben hadn't been assraping PCfags for decades while they just smile and ask for more, we wouldn't be in this spot, now would we?
>>742390771They wont because they legally can't.
>>742391030assraping PCfags how?
>>742391039Why not? Its not like you own them.https://www.pcworld.com/article/2487761/steam-now-explicitly-states-you-dont-own-the-digital-games-youre-buying.html
Holy shit you are a bunch of idiots. Imagine having a "real" conversation based on a fake tweet made by a retard who trief to do the same shit yesterday. Everyone here should die brutally.
>>742391116you don't own your physical media either. it's licensed and can be revoked for any reason at any time by the issuer.sorry you had to find otu this way...
>>742391082Selling digital shit that you don't actually own and popularizing the idea.
I boycotted Steam for well over 16 years since HL2 came out, pirated absolutely everything on PC that whole time, and buying physical on consoles back when consoles were good.I did my part. And Steam and especially GoG proved themselves to be trustworthy, Snoy and others did NOT.
Daily reminder that Steam digital storefront won because Sony's SecuROM and Microsoft's GFWL made physical media nonviable.
>>742391116Access to the games is still protected under consumer rights.
>>742390219I will not acknowledge GoGI winconsoles win
>>742391116again, why would valve self-destruct steam (the only thing that keeps them alive) by just taking the games you bought away for literally no reason. answer that or stfu
>>742391143make sure to report and sage the thread
>consoletards pretending they don't own a DRM boxanyways the files are on my drive and I can manipulate them as I please.
>>742391173read >>7423909517th gen consoles did it first
>>742389539And we here we see the snoy tranny attempting to divert attention and blame from it's daddy corporation that it defines it's identity by when that corporation will never and has never cared about their disgusting existence to begin with. Suffer snoy faggots.
>>742391224Because they don't give a fuck about you and never have. You're just a wallet so Lord Fatass can buy more boats.
Everyone involved in this abhorrent thread deserves this
>>742391143my imagination is so vast and powerful i can easily picture a world where this tweet actually does exist and i have reactions toward it. there is in fact zero difference between this world i've created and the one you are ostensibly experiencing yourself.
>>742389539>console devs ship up PC gaming with Epic Game Store>"pcfags are at fault">console devs shit up console gaming>"pcfags are at fault"
>>742391285what the fuck does this even mean, tripfag? how does "not giving a fuck about you" (something I never claimed?) equate to "they'll take away the games for no reason"? stopping you from downloading the games you bought will literally just do nothing but harm themselves to cause you an inconvenience. I thought we agreed that they don't give a shit about the people who buy their games. If they don't give a shit about them, why would they actively try to fuck them over destroying their own business in the process?
>>742391464>typing more than 2 words at a tripfagretard lol
>>742391294is that a fucking processor with pins lmao
Not even a tripfag can be safe from retarded threads, classic 4chan.
>>742391524don't care, the point stands for all the EpicJEETS and consolefags doomposting against steam on this basis
>>742389539Yup. I've been saying this on /v/ for over a year now.
>>742391568Tripfags are retarded by default
>>742389539>Sony fucks its consumers over again>Waaaah because PC! Sony dindu nuffin wrong!Fucking lmao. You love to see it.
>>742389681Can you show me why you thought this was relevant information? Is there a brand of gaming digital gaming platform that did delist and close people's libraries? As far as I can tell nobody has, and Steam isn't special in this regard.
>>742389539Blaming PC gamers is such a cope, holy shitFor PC, digital is nothing but improvement over physical, that's why we all gladly jumped ship. Why wouldn't we have? We save money, gain convenience, and lose nothing. What's that, my account can get banned? Or Steam might go under? No biggie, you can still just turn to piracy, digital distribution made that easier too. That's the beauty of an open system, you have options. You can use Windows, you can use Linux, you can use Steam, you can use GOG, you can use torrents, you can use emulators, you can mix and match and do whatever you want. No one service or company has FULL control over the PC gaming scene.Meanwhile, console are closed proprietary systems and you all knew it. You knew it and you kept buying them. You knew you had limited control over what you can do with these devices, you knew you were completely at the mercy of one single company when using a console, you knew these companies were treating you like cattle and making you pay for basic features that are free elsewhere, so why did you keep putting all your eggs in the same basket? You made this bed yourselves. Don't put this shit at our door, we don't owe you shit.
>>742389774>I own nothing and I am happy
>>742389539Cry about it fags. I have my entire steam library pirated and backed up on several HDDs. In case steam goes turbojew I can just keep installing my games no problem.
>>742389539okay so microsoft fucked everything up with GFWL. not exactly brekaing news
>>742390219>there's literally NO REASON TO OWN A CONSOLE AT THIS POINTGame ownership. It's the topic of this thread.
>>742389539Not that simple, Microsoft took shelf space from PC gaming for Xbox. They made deals with Gamestop for this. This is one of the reasons digital took over on PC. Steam also didn't have a monopoly like Sony will, you could download games from other places.
>IT'S PC FAULT>last time I seen a physical PC games was wow expansion in 2008yeah somehow 20 years later is PC fault
>>742389539Digital took off on PC without much outcry because there are several digital distribution platforms, they're all better than sony/MS/nintendo's bespoke online stores, and at the end of the day you can just pirate and crack shit and have the files forever.
>>742391787>Is there a brand of gaming digital gaming platform that did delist and close people's librariesYes dumb fuck. Sony has done this REPEATEDLY
>>742390951>PS3 and XBox 360 had already planted themselves as pioneers of the digital distributionSteam started selling digital games in 2005. So that's false. Try again.
>>742391262>>742392008
>>742389539This is so retarded. You can put any steam game you own on a disk right now. You cannot put any digital console game onto a disk.
>>742391973No they haven't. IIRC every sold digital good has usable downloads across every brand, even if the store is closed to new members. What games did they take out of people libraries?
>From AndroidWhy doesn't 4chan have this exactly?
>>742391910I could even find games around 2010, granted the selection wasn't that big
PC is just a wholly different environment. There's less need to be independent from the vendor by having your discs, you can switch vendors or pirate if one store goes to shit.Console? You better hope that sony plays nice because if they ban you, there's no alternative, your games are just gone.
>>742392108Thia is too highbrow of a conversation for you pirate. Excuse yourself.
>>742390771>Stupid fuck, they can and they willGenuinely what would Valve stand to gain from it?
I can still Download and play my 20+ year old Digital games on my PC.Can you do the same on consoles.Consoles also made paying to play online in stuff that is not a MMO the norm which is much worse in my opinion.Console fanboys are just looking to blame literally anyone but the Big corporations they worship for the fact physical is going away on consoles.
/v/ is a lost cause, everyone except me is a braindead fuckhead. Nuke this board, no one will miss it anyway.
>>742392193>and that's why I own nothing and I am happySay it
>>742392008>>742392068i quite literally inb4 that exact point in my original post alreadyyes, steam started selling digital games in 2005, but it was very minor games and publisher, and it wasnt until 2007 that major publishers started to actually started selling games iva steam.and even then, it was still not the default, it was an optional extra way of distribution.we haveto wait until 2009/2010 to see an actual wide spread adoption + it becoming the primary way of distribution, and by that time, both the PS3 and the Xbo360 were already doing it.
>>742391787>play old online only console game>servers dead
>>742389949Manchildren
>>742392240>I can still Download and play my 20+ year old Digital games on my PC.>Can you do the same on consolesYup every console brand allows this, tranime.
>>742391787Are you retardedLiterally all of them.Nintendo shut down all Online stores not for the switch.Xbox has shut down 360 store.Sony shut down PSP online and is soon shutting down PS3 and Vita stores.
>>742389539If console players dont like it, they shouldn't buy the digital gamesOtherwise, nothing they say matters
>>742392265This but me. And the discomfort you're experiencing right now is me gatekeeping you.
>>742389539the fact of the matter is pc is the only true place for true ownership is and much more has been that way for a decade+
>>742389539Any storage medium is physical media by definition. The actual issue is with the potential for revocation of access, which is something that can equally happen with disk games for any online-connected console. The real difference between a console and PC is that you can actually do something about this on PC because we actually have control of our systems and can crack & pirate games if for some reason official access is revoked. Which itself is a motivation for any sensible storefront to not revoke access. If anything we are in a better position here. Console gamers thinking their Bluray disks are some sort of protection is pure religion.
>>742392283Legally I do own a lot of licences. Practically, I don't need to care because I'm on an open platform, and if steam ever tries to yoink any games I can just pirate them.
>>742389539everyone jumped in at around the same time>bookfags buy a Kindle in 2007 and discover that, oh no, you don't actually own the books and Amazon can remotely delete them whenever>moviefags embrace ephemeral, highly censored streaming services in 2007 and also buy movies digitally from Amazon etc. only to discover that, oh no, you don't own those movies and those companies can delete them whenever
>>742392346Post a pick of you downloading your Digital 3DS WII or WIIU games or Xbox 360 digital games of the official stores.And i mean from the official stores not roms for your modded consoles.
>>742392309I know the timeline. Steam was first. No amount of glazing will change this fact. Be proud anon, digital is a good thing according tk PC vegans. Own your achievement.
>>742392148They've done it with fully purchased movies from their digital playstation store. Nothing to say it won't happen to games in the future too.
>>742392335
>>742392425Are you OK? You seem to talk like a retard
>>742389949I don’t watch Perturbed Pedro anymore but I’m glad he’s still around and kicking. One of the last classic Youtubers still pulling in views
blame everyone but sony
>>742392564I'm doing perfectly fine. You don't seem to be doing so well.
>>742392494>i know the timeline>the timeline proves steam wasnt first>steam was firstkeep being delusional i guess
>>742391285>You're just a wallet so Lord Fatass can buy more boatsExactly. I generate income for them. If they start fucking me over, I'll start getting my games elsewhere, be it other stores or just torrents. So I'll stop making them income. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like this?
>>742392487>uninstall your games to prove a widely known fact No thanks. Do more research on your end. I'm not helping you.
>>742389539>our cattle slave digital only environment>ourLOL. You're the ones stuck in a walled garden with no way out.
WHY ARE THERE FAKE TWITTER POSTS CONSTANTLY NOW IS THE ACTUAL THING TOO HARD FOR YOU FUCKING STUPID CUNTS? EAT SHIT AND DIE
>>742389539the Netflixication of gaming is getting closer and closer
>>742391858I still own my SSD though?
>>742392661>>the timeline proves steam wasnt first2005 predates gen 6 consoles. 2005 is when steam first became a publisher of digital 3rd parties.
>>742392714You're being gatekept by me.
>>742392335>play old PS2 MMO>private server exists
>>742389539I've never liked Steam because you don't own the games you buy. But I also don't care about physical games going away because owning digital versions is way better. If it's not on GOG or otherwise available without DRM I will be pirating it.
>>742392707>consoles can do it too! Just look it up! Kek classic butthurt consolekek
>>742392749Nice. I own my SSD, and my physical games.
>>742389539Not really. Physical PC was always a crapshoot in the 2000's, and you have WAY more control over your digital games on PC compared to console.
>>742392714/v/ - Fake Twitter
>>742392876>and my physical games.Atleast until sony releases a kill switch and decouples your external disk drive (consoles dont come with that anymore)
>>742389539Of course they were, PCfags are retards and MS lovers. They'll get theirs when Gaben sells or closes down Steam or some major competitor takes over.
>>742392742Not really. Gamepass, Stadia and Luna are a bust. Games are being Robloxed and Fortnited
>>742391030We buy games for pennies at least twice a year and steam is one of the most consumer-friendly companies out thereAlso we don't pay for onlineGod fucking dammit console cattle are truly deranged and mindbrokenNever post your inane retardation ever again you brown npc
>>742392494It *is* a good thing. For PC. Not so much for closed platforms such as consoles though.
>>742389539PC has:SteamEpicGogWindows gamesEmulatorsPiracy3rd party stores that sell keys at a discountPlayStation has:The PlayStation StoreAnd that is it. You got no options on consoles. You are a fucking cuckslave when you buy digital on consoles. When Sony bans you they don't even ban your account but your whole fucking console and thus essentially turning it into literal e-waste that you can't even sell because it is worthless.
>>742389539the difference with pc gaming is you can take steps to ensure your digital games remain playable no matter what, while with consoles you're at the mercy of the publisher
>>742392846Yes it's a fact, so you can simply look it up. I'm sorry this is where we stop talking.
>>742389539As much as I love snoy cultists displaying their mental illness, Istill have to call this out. You dont get to celebrate investor earnings reports clearly showing PSN outpacing every other Playstation source of revenue for YEARS and then tUrn around and cry that PCfags killed physical games. It's peak hypocrisy.
>>742392954>two more weeks, trust the plan
>>742393028>It *is* a good thing. For PCNo, it just happened to PC. And you have to say it's good because you can't handle criticism being directed at PCs, especially from consolegods like myself.
>>742389745You have to check in to a server on the other side of the country to access files stored locally on your hard drive.>b-BUT NOT ALL GAMEsYes, you see the problem with that? How it's every other game needs it? Get it yet?
Ownership is not a necessity when stealing is so easy. I don't give a fuck if my entire steam account gets bricked, because I can easily obtain any game I desire for absolutely free with no repercussions.
>>742393074>PC has 6 different options where you can own nothing
>>7423931872 more weeks? No, this has already happened. Everything is in place. It's like CMOS 2.0, waiting to pop. And all you can do about it is bury your head in the sand.
The retarded OP showed its true face. It's time to keep brapping this trash.*BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP*
>>742393318A PC is a fucking PC you can do MUCH more things with it as opposed to a console which is locked down
>>742393256Buying PC games was a fucking nightmare before Steam caught on. If you weren't into Blizzard games, Sims, ect you were fucked.I had to fucking pirate Age of Empires II in like 2001 because I couldn't buy it.
>>742393256>consolegodslmao. One expired licensing deal is all it takes to bring you to your knees.
>>742393348>this is already happening in two more weeks
>>742393390>and this is why I'm okay with owning nothingJust say it please. You always leave out the best part.
>>742393559>buries his head in the sand againthere we go.
>>742393547I pirate movies and own my physical games
>>742393106You can take steps to ensure your digital games remain playable no matter what on consoles too. It's called jailbreaking your console and installing custom firmware.
>>742389539>Go to physical store>Buy physical game >Go home>Install game >The game is now stored on your computeror>Buy digital copy>Install it>The game is now stored on your computerI just don't see why I need some piece of plastic.
>>742393621you literally own your shit when you buy from GoG
>>742389803This already happened to music a decade and a half ago. It's only logical that games will also for the most part abandon physical media except for the rare occasions when they are selling nostalgia.
>>742393750Vinyls actually sell a ton
>>742393815Buying vinyls is a fashion statement. A hipster thing.
>>742393745No you don't retard.
>>742393559>snoy copefigures.
>>742393256No, I say it's good because switching to digital has been an actual, measurable improvement for me. With physical, I've had unplayable games due to lost/scratched discs or CD cases arriving with a disc missing. None of these problems exist with digital. In fact, not a single problem exits with digital on PC besides the vague possibility of Steam revoking your access one day for some reason, which is easily circumvented through piracy (which ironically has also been made easier thanks to digital distribution).
>>742393854yet they still sellthere is a market for physical games honestly people would also buy physical PC discs too if they sold them
>>742393728And you're happy, right?
>>742393986It's pretty different. Physical releases for music is mostly a boomers who can't work out the internet or in the case of vinyl, enthusiast level.
>>742393975So you own nothing and you are happy?
>>742389539revisionist history. PC was dead when valve made its empire.
>>742391908Please point to the "Game Ownership" in a console especially after sony bailed on physical. And please don't be disengenous about it.
>>742389539All things are temporary.
ITT: OP and it's discord server.
>>742393815>Vinyls actually sell a tonIt's probably like less than 15% of the total market dude and that's not even counting live event ticket sales or accounting for a large share of music listeners which just listen to everything for free. So it's pretty much what I posted earlier when I said "unless they are selling nostalgia" which is what Vinyl sales are and we aren't accounting for Instagram users who buy Vinyls for the sole purpose of taking a picture of them.
Fuck off I bought a hard copy of TF2.
>>742390771Proof of this ever happening and will happen? No? Then fuck off Consolenigger.
>>742394171>limited installs via securom or starforce drm>most game retailers were 95% console gamesBut nah I am meant to believe from people born in 2002 that Steam ruined it.
>>742394163On the contrary I own everything, for free, and in an unlimited capacity due to online free downloads.
>>742394171Speaking of revisionist history
>>742393986Just buy some deluxe edition bullshit where they give you a nice box you can put on display. Fag.>>742393993>And you're happy, right?I'd say so, yes. At the very least I can say for certain that having a bunch of plastic boxes and discs would not make me any more happy.
>>742391858you don't 'own' any purchased software, even console games are just a licensewhat matters is control. Can the provider revoke your access? Then you don't have control. Old consoles gave you control, because after you bought it and a game, there was nothing the company can do about it. You can use it whenever you want, however you want, give it to anyone you want, regardless of what the EULA says. Modern consoles don't function at all unless connected to the internet regularly, and this can't be easily worked around. If the company decides you aren't allowed to play the game, you can only keep playing it as long as the grace period lasts. If they say you can't give it to someone else, they won't be able to play it even if you try. Steam also doesn't function unless connected to the internet regularly, which is pretty bad, and they don't want you to give games to anyone else, which is annoying, but these can be worked around trivially, Valve puts effectively zero effort into preventing it. They could try to revoke access, and it would be mildly inconvenient if you don't already have the game downloaded, but it's ridiculously easy to just use a steam emulator and not need their authentication at all. They can refuse to provide an official way to give a game to someone else, but have no way to prevent you from simply copying the files on your computer. You have control. The only thing that actually hinders this is third party DRM, game/publisher specific always-online shit etc, but Valve isn't involved in that, and it's on you if you buy them, same as it's on you if you bought one of those movies Sony just revoked ownership of.
>Valve decides to revoke people's games>PCfags shrug and pirate all that shit back onto their PCmeanwhile>Console company decides to revoke people's games>you can't do fucking shit about it>b-but maybe I can jailbreak my console and->Did you just try to modify your "property"? Sorry but that violates our ToS so now we will remote brick your console.
>>742393128>It's a fact because I say so! Why is consolefag raped and gaped?
>>742389539If the physical media distribution for PC wasn't so fucking awful in the early days, we wouldn't have adopted digital so quickly. How many classics were completely unavailable to purchase in stores for years?
>>742394434>Valve decides to revoke people's gamesThat would still be a big fucking deal if they ever did that.
>>742394194Never seen a gamestop before?
>>742394494They never will because piracy is right there. Do console niggers not realize this? Valve's entire philosophy around steam as a service is being more convenient than piracy hence why people use it.
>>742389539he's rightand we're doing it on open platformspeople raise a stink over denuvo for the same reason console plebs are going to get fucked when their content on closed platforms gets rustleddigital when you can pirate without hardware modification is very different from digital when there is no recourse
>>742394494Like is every time a console revokes people's games
>>742394481My PC games section of my local EBgames might as well been called the World of Warcraft section.There was fucking nothing else but that.
>post yfw your not a consolecuck seething at Valve for just existing
What a joke. How is this abhorrent thread still alive? Kill everyone.
>>742394247t. gatekept>>742394323No you can't own digital games. Sorry bud. >>742394413>you don't 'own' any purchased software, even console games are just a licenseFalse.>what matters is control. No that only matters for modding. We're talkign about something else entirely.
>>742394586"he" isn't real. You are a huge idiot.
>>742389539Pc gamers have always been the worst consumers that have led to regressions in gaming. This shouldn’t be new info to anyone
>>742394617Today just hard confirmed that Snoys are the faggots spamming anti-valve threads all these years. I woke up, saw the news about sony, then watched as some anally ravaged snoy desperately spammed threads about steam/gabe to try and damage control.
>>742389539yeah we did the games firstYOU did microtransactions first though
>>742394434>I own nothing, and I shrugged>here's a frog so you know I definitely fit in here and Im not a corporate shill
>>742394582Console fags do not understand this and similarly do not understand how little PC gamers give a fuck about copyright infringement and "stealing" games
>>742394617You're gonna have to samefag this post because this thread is just you. >>742394627t. gatekept
The retarded OP thinks this is gatekeeping, but your irrelevant fake tweet is only diarrhea.
>>742394719>snoy calling anyone a corporate shillHAHAHAHAHA
>>742394664You are wrong. Control is the only thing that matters
>>742394719Actually mindbroken by a frog
>>742394696It's because their own company fucking hates them and they know, so they throw blame onto others. Watch. Nintendo is going to do the same shit at some point in the future and the board will be filled once again with anti-steam seethe threads
>>742394801False. Ownership is the only thing that matters. You can simply pirate control for free.
>>742392346>Yup every console brand allows thisCan you download the games you bough on Wii?
Are these bots? This thread smells like a curry-powered robot.
>>742394763>t. anal gaped snoy
>>742394805>broken by a twitter post
>>742394952And a fake one. Truly shameful, like this entire thread.
>>742394932Yes? What are you testing me on easily verifiable facts or something?
>>742389539I LOVE LITERALLY WHO FAKE TWITTER SCREENSHOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>742391173Goldberg? Simply moving certain game exe files? GoG? Piracy? Pretty sure there's more methods to own your games on PC than I even know, especially that don't involve steam at all. It's not Valves fault the faggot executives and shareholders at Warner Bros, EA, Activision etc. put Denuvo, temporary licenses, online-only, or any other garbage into your games. Never lose focus on the real thugs and con artists that need to be held accountable.
>>742394936>>742394792Sure.>>742394936
>>742392502It's been 15 years. I doubt it will happen. Movies are a different beast in licensing entirely.
>>742395084see>>742394936
>>742394664you don't own software regardless of medium, you bought a license to use itthe difference is negligible if you have control, if the provider can't take it back or stop you doing what you want with it you might as well own it, but legally you still don't. A disk with some data on it that does nothing unless put in a box that only functions if the company allows it is neither ownership nor control.
>>742389539Yet I can still download and crack every game I want, while your console stores are shutting down and your console digital content is being wiped. Curious!
>>742389949Geriatric YouTubers crying about the world changing. What a pathetic way to go
>>742395027You can rise the stakes
>SONY COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE GETTING RID OF PHYSICAL COPIES BECAUSE THEY ARE AS BAD AS ANY OTHER BIG CORPORATION>IT MUST BE PCs FAULT!!!!>THEY ARE THE ONES WHO MADE THEM DO IT!
>>742395117>you don't own software regardless of medium, you bought a license to use itFalse. You own the phycical media you purchase, this is because of The First Sale Docterine. You own the license and the game.
>>742392827>>private server existsOn which platform. Please enlighten me.
>>742394932For me, the worst aspect of the arguments made by die-hard consolefags is the lack of backward compatibility on many of these systems.Even if Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft kept their servers running, many games simply don't work on the new hardware. Hell, even physical copies of games don't work on the new hardware. Usually, you have to buy a new version, a "definitive edition", to play them. It’s different with Steam: you buy the game once, and it keeps working for over 20+ years, regardless of the hardware.
>>742395118>I own nothing and I'm curiousThat's new
>>742395257Definitely not true. There are plenty of games from the 80s and 90s that do not work on new hardware. Usually you will need to jump through a bunch of hoops to get them running, if they run at all.
>>742389539PC has enough freedom to justify the lack of physical media. Console companies cannot be trusted not to price gouge you in every conceivable way.
>>742395257Yeah. There's just not argument for being a consolefag in 2026. And with PC Emulation you can get any older and more obscure games to work if it can't run on the base OS
>>742395016Weird, I can't download the classic games I bought on Virtual Console anymore.Strange...
>>742395235A disk with some data on it that does nothing unless put in a box that only functions if the company allows it is neither ownership nor control.
>>742395257>for me when I can't handle the valid criticism that no PC user owns their games I tend to deflect to somwthing else entirely like modding or ouracy or backward compatibility I'm well aware of this fact about yourself. I experience it every day. Keep deflecting, the criticism isn't going anywhere.
These bots are caught in a loop and they're malfunctioning. Time to toss them to the trash.
>>742395316You don't even have to go back. There's stuff like dawn of war that randomly doesn't work on new PCs and even setting it to compatibility mode doesn't help. I think GOG has a list and is working to try and upgrade all of them to work on modern hardware.
>>742395362>There's just not argument for being a consolefag in 2026Game ownership would be a valid one.
>>742395316>Definitely not true. There are plenty of games from the 80s and 90s that do not work on new hardware.That's why they're not on Steam on sale.
>>742395148i like steak
More than 200 post about nothing. Good job idiots.
>>742389539The copy of Half Life 2 I bought on Steam in 2009 still works on hardware I bought in 2025. The same will not be true of a console game I buy on a digital store that won't transfer the game between hardware and will shut down the store after a few years. Thats the difference.
>>742395257Stuff like that is why I feel like I "own" the random bullshit I've bought on Steam over the decades more than any of my old console games.Yeah great I have PS2/Xbox/360 discs. I can't do anything with those. Meanwhile I can just redownload and play something I bought in 2008 on Steam right now.
>>742395374I disagree because you're factually incorrect.
>>742395449Dawn of war is on steam. So is oblivion.
>>742395508You got gatekept
>>742395441>Game ownershipWhat does this have to do with consoles then?
>>742389539Guess stores should have stocked more PC games then. Zoomers are entirely unaware of the conditions that led to the shift towards digital PC game distribution. Just like how they never know what they're talking about regarding any subject at all.
>HURR DURR.... Y-Y-YOU GOT GA-GA-GATEKEPTIs this guy a deluded idiot?
>>742389539the DRM arms race had already completely hollowed out what the PC boxed cardboard retail scene even was before 2004 when steam arrived.>>742395516this is also true, somehow Steam had the knock-on effect of making software stable in a way it hadn't before.
>>742395253EQOA was PS2, so you can either play it on native hardware or PCSX2 (just use the iso patch on https://eqoa.live).
>>742390483If they're dumb, people will simply go back to piracy. Steam doesn't have the luxury to fuck up like Sony does.
>>742395516That's it? What a waste I would rather own my games.
>>742395441>WouldCoulda woulda shouldaBut it isn't so it ain'tYa dig ?
>>742395650Consoles have game ownership. >>742395676t. gatekept
>>742395601Both of those work with modern hardware retard
>>742395654Stores selling games was fucking grim for PC games back then. Hope you are into the sims or wow because that's all that you're going to see stocked.
digital only is great. it's hosting that is the problem and that's what the stores are basically doing. when you let others keep your stuff, you're just being irresponsible. if you have something on your hard drives in physical form it's no different than having digital data on physical media.
>YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME>NO, MODIFYING IT DOESN'T COUNT>IT HAS TO BE IN PHYSICAL FORM>YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT>THAT'S ALL THAT OWNERSHIP MEANSCan someone please have this man committed to a mental institution? I'm worried that he's going to hurt someone.
>>742395785>(space)[punctuation]A picture of your hand is required for me to ever reply to this chain again, rajesh.
>>742389539I really miss big box physical releases for pc games. They had a lot of soul.
>>742395851I got Sims, Roller coaster tycoon, orange box, CS, company of heroes, quake 3, and more in stores. Zoomers don't know how good we had it before steam killed physical.
>>742390771I'll pirate. Steam is just a convenience, they can't stop me from playing any game I want, licenses be damned.
And he is still at it. But being a deluded retard doesn't count as a win.
>>742389853no you cant. you cant sign in to my computer. I wont let you
>>742395840*HadPast tense
>>742395917Mad jealous. My local retailers PC sections were basically the Blizzard shelf.It's why I got into piracy lmao.
Brutally murder OP, burn its eyes with red-hot iron, castrate it old style and shot it in the head.
>>742395901>8 IS AN EVEN NUMBER>9 BEING DIVISIBLE BY 3 DOESN'T COUNTLIterally your logic, and yes, deflecting to an entirely different topic doesn't count. And I will never allow it to count for the sake of factual honesty and truth.
>>742395374>Nut uhI can tell you are a console player
>>742395971Have>>742395998You got gatekept son
>>742391030Digital makes total sense on PC. You don't need a disc to own your games, if you have the files, you can play it, often with minimal effort. Physical is the only thing comparable on consoles. Blame Sony for messing with that even though they're well aware of the consequences.
>742396010This post sounds alot like sealioning. Best not to engage.
>consolefags give up the one actually good aspect of consoles because i don't know why>this is somehow pc gamers fault
Thanks for the (You)s by the way bot. Still doesn't make this thread valid.
>>742396116That's fine. Do not reply to me if you don't feel like it.
>>742389539So when are consolecucks getting free online multiplayer like PC then?Corporate cocksucking has to be a mandatory part of paying for a console
>>742391294he dead
>>742396191GateKeptNigga
>>742389539>nooo you can't play games in the way that's most convenient for you, what about my consoomer urge to hoard plastic!??
I'm not, fucker. Thanks for the (You)s again.
>>742396243Remember when MS tried to do paid online for PC with GFWL?That was funny.
>>742396308You are. You got gatekept.
Keep trying, failed furby. Your faggotry is starting to show.
>>742396356Kek, did they really? My only memory of GFWL was it being a huge annoyance when trying to play GTA IV, but I didn't touch multiplayer there
>>742396434You got gatekept. Sorry lil bro.
I'm still here, you failed miserably.
>>742396578I won and you got gatekept.
I won by still being here. Get better material.
>>742396671Sure.
digital installer or just zipped up files on a usb or hard drive isn't any different than them burned onto a cd / dvd / blu-ray. pc had no reason not to switch. you console players are on walled gardens with absolutely zero control or autonomy, so you can't compare. you're stuck, pc gamers never were.
>>742396540Yep, it used to be tied to an xbox live sub when it launched with Halo 2 Vista and... Shadowrun?. They backed down on that requirement real fucking fast.
>>742396716>>742396671>>742396612>>742396578>>742396547Never thought I'd get to use this oldie.
>>742389774Ahhyup. >Consoles >Your library is locked to the console>New console released and you have to buy your library again or maintain 2 machines>PC>It just werks>Forever
>>742396740t. gatekept
>>742396815I don't kiss robots smeared with curry.
>>742396841from your puny walled garden? thank god lol
How many times are PC vegans going to samefag OP?
>>742391787>Is there a brand of gaming digital gaming platform that did delist and close people's libraries?Sony you snoy. They're even removing movies from peoples libraries. Steam has yet to fuck with my library in over a decade of having one. And anything you get from GoG is yours forever.
>>742396993How many times are you going to sealion?
>>742396841if you don't understand steam and it's api dependency, or know what that means, you're obviously not going to see much difference between the platforms, and that's fine by me.
>>742397045t. gatekept
>>742391851I'll never understand the mental gymnastics people go through to think a company won't keep fucking them over when said company is paywalling internet access. It's cause of these braindead idiots that things never get better.
>>742397627Comsolefags are cultists. You've known this for years
>>742389539That's the moment PC gaming died
I'll be owning my physical copy of GTA6 with the entire game on the disc while you PC vegans have to watch it on youtube
>>742389539Yeah? We went along with the always online bullshit and now it's standard. Console players went along with DLC, microtransactions and battle passes and now they're standard. Everybody sucks.
>>742398135>i get to enjoy premium goyslopHave fun, console vegan!
>>742389949Is he still crying about people calling the Supergirl movie trash?
>>742389539Keep paying for online, fag.
>>742391787Because I lost quite a few physical games over the decades, while all my Steam games are still there.
>>742392391You can still download games you bought on the Wii, 3DS, and Xbox 360, dumbfuck. They only shut down the store fronts. Fucking moron.
>>742391858I could burn all that shit on BDs if I cared about that dead end format. What would it change?
>>742398250>always online bullshitYet another consolefag problem, their drm boxes will stop working if they dont connect online. Stop larping.
>>742398515You're right, but there's another problem: the games are stuck to those platforms instead of Nintendo embracing proper backwards compatibility.
I literally don't give a fuck about physical console games as a pc gamer. It's not my problem. I don't own any consoles and nothing is going to force me to spend money on a slow and noisy optical disk drive. I owned a PS3 before I took it to a recycling centre with a game still in it and it sounded like a jet engine.
what's the point of getting consoles anymore
What's a game 4chan told you to play, but it was straight ahh?
>>742393292do you know what DRM-free games are?do you know what piracy is? for fucks sake the ROMs that nintendo half-assedly emulates and sells back to you only exist because people preserved them DIGITALLY on PCso you're welcome, you can keep clutching your discs so that nintendo and friends can make the switch 3 and make you subscribe to some shitty online service to access the games you bought less than a decade ago
>>742391787Sony just removed over 600 movie titles from the store and forcibly removed them from owners consoles
I haven't seen a single valid argument against digital only on PC.I couldn't care less about consoles.
>>742399558And the funny thing is that emulating nintendo's roms on PC gives you a better experience, even if you don't take into account the reverse engineered ports.
>>742399792That's why I don't even care if Nintendo never official ports their games to PC. I think the emulation scene handles those games with more care than Nintendo themselves would.
>>742399558>bro just pirate games :)Just say that from the beginning and save everyone the time you concern trolling faggot with nothing to add.
>>742395556Let's put it this way: how much a game disk is worth to you if the box it usually goes in is rendered unable to play it by sony? How much it is gonna be worth to anyone else you try to resell it to?Sure, you still physically have it. But since sony decided your copy is not going to be playable, it just became a worthless paperweight overnight. At this point you better hope the console is able to be jailbroken, which just puts you at the same level of PC pirates anyway.I know you're one of those "pretending not to understand what is being discussed" type of fags, but i'll still spell it out for the sake of everyone else reading it. Kindly go fuck yourself,
>>742389539The problem with digital only is DRM.PC gamers buy DRM free games retard. PC gamers keep old consoles alive retard. PC gamers keep hardware improving retard. PC gamers crack DRM retard. Retard.
>>742389539Thanks for betatesting digital only steamcucks
>>742400309Except they don't
