Warding of course.
There’s basically no scenario where any other reforge is better. Except I guess daytime empress of light.
Reforges need a complete rework. The system is stupidly dated

Menacing.
Enemies can't kill you when they are already dead.

>>742452328
Enemies also can’t kill you if all their projectiles do 10 damage

Lucky >:)

>>742452565
>menacing but just objectively worse
:(

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>builds HUUUUUUGE boss arena spanning entire world
>gets every NPC to help
>gets all the consumables
>gets 100 statues
>farms best weapons and armor
Yup, time to attempt to kill eye of chthulu again

>>742452120
If I feel like tryharding:
>balancing menacing and lucky with my main weapon and armor set depending on their crit rate
If i'm feeling lazy (always):
>lucky on everything, my armor probably gives enough extra damage anyway I don't care

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>>742452120
Can we stop talking about this retarded game? they still haven't patched the stupidly impossible skeletron fight that you have to cheese with a bunch of random shit, it is not fun.

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>there are still people who think that warding is bad

>>742452120
warding is pretty much mandatory in mastermode until planterra

>>742452251
It really does, and them making it so you can spam click reforge and it will stop you and make a special noise when you get the best possible one for the item you have is proof enough of that
Don't know what they'd replace it with that isn't convoluted though

>>742453218
>warding is pretty much mandatory
FTFY

>>742453242
The canceled sequel/spinoff was going to have leveling and classes, shame about that

>>742453242
Tiered upgrade system that unlocks better reforge options over the course of the game

>>742452120
>itt: people cannot dodge
Menacing and lucky can nearly cut the time a boss is up in half.

>>742452120
warding is just too good with the way defense works. tankmaxxing makes the game trivial.

>>742452916
On classic right?

>>742453392
>cut the time a boss is up in half
Literally false both in the numbers and in practice. Having to focus so heavily on dodging means you can’t do damage as easily

You can tell who is a calamitroon by how they feel about warding
In the vanilla game it is the best stat for every single accessory at every stage of the game and is only bad for mobs/bosses you severely overgear and the dungeon guardian/daytime empress

>>742453184
Okay but no one said that.

This femboy put this debate to bed years ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VdNATCHC-4M&ra=m

this game is so aggressively ugly i can't bring myself to get back into it no matter how many times its been patched. god I wish chucklefucks weren't retards

>>742453621
Zoom zoom

>>742453538
I see “only noobs use warding because you can just dodge anyway” all the time

Am I missing something? Defense is bumfuck useless on master mode because it's just a flat damage reduction. A single worm scarf/brain is better than an entire tank build.

>>742453743
>defense is bumfuck useless on mastermode
You can outright face tank half the bosses with a good tank build.
Yes even on mastermode

>>742453743
It's actually even better in master mode because defense is calculated differently in there.

>>742453392
they really can't, though.
let's say you have adamantite armor and your class emblem. your total damage is 100% + 22% (armor) + 15% (emblem) = 137%.
if you reforge all six of your accessories to menacing for an extra 24% damage that 137% goes up to 161%, which is only a 17% overall increase.

>>742453743
it's only legendary where defense becomes useless.

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>defense is bad because you can just dodge every attack
Ok, but can (You) dodge every attack?

>>742453743
It's really not useless at all. Sure it doesn't do that much for contact damage but it greatly reduces how much damage projectiles and shit do.

>>742453937
Na, defense is still meta on legendary since projectile damage doesn’t increase from master to legendary, only contact damage.
Projectiles are the vast majority of things that will be hitting you

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>>742452476
have you tried not playing on easy mode

>>742454134
>he doesn’t know
kek, majority of boss attacks can be reduced that low with good tank builds.
Yes, I’m talking about master mode. I haven’t played expert or classic in years

>>742453849
6 defense on classic reduces a slime's damage by 50%. On master it would be 33% down to 3.3% as more bosses are defeated.

only newbs use warding because you can just dodge anyway

>>742454262
Retard

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>>742454134
lol

>>742453468
>I do not have the brain power to hold left click and fly circles around the twins at the same time

It’s actually impressive how easier the game is now that I have embraced Warding instead of menacing. I used to think that master mode was borderline impossible without cheese, now I can never go back to anything lower because it would be just brain dead easy

offensive reforges are literally just increasing your damage by 10%
warding decreases damage taken by TWENTY EIGHT PER HIT

>>742454401
Ok now play any class that isn’t ranger. Or isn’t a boss like the twins that have piss easy attacks to dodge.
Go and tell me that it’s better to kill Skeletron prime like at most 30 seconds faster instead of not taking 140 damage from a single laser hit

how the fuck do people enjoy mage and ranger
this shit is so fucking boring

>>742454679
I like shooting things
Summoner is fun if you’re against a single target.
The moment that you add multiple targets it becomes fucking miserable.
Like a decade later and summoner is still the challenge class

>>742454564
(Note: enemies deal 300 damage per hit)

>>742454797
False. There’s like 4 total boss attacks that deal that much

>>742454573
Prime is not a hard boss, anon, regardless of class. And what does class have anything to do with it? It all amounts to just shooting different projectiles unless you're really committing to true melee. It's not hard to intuit where the boss is gonna move to and to click there.
It is simply more fun to be on the razor edge of death than to tank everything for five minutes. It feels better. A little more stimulating.

>>742454797
they don't
the only hits you can take where defense stacking won't do much is
>turtles, which are easily disrupted with literally any knockback
>boulders, which stop being a threat after you can make the grand design
>destroyer head, which has a minimap indicator
>deathray, which you can see coming by looking at what the top eye does

>>742454825
Even basic enemies do 300+ damage. Have you never seen a spider nest?

>>742454921
NTA but also
>empress dash
>rune wizard contact damage (fucking 600)
>Red Devils
>cultist light and shadow attack
But all that shit you shouldn’t be getting hit by anyway. Defense is king

>>742455041
>basic enemies
>an enemy you literally don't need line of sight to kill that only appears in one place

>>742455041
Basic enemies are easy to avoid and again they often don’t do nearly that much.
But who cares since they aren’t gating progression. What matters is boss attacks. And again, only like 5 bosses do anywhere near that much. And almost every time they do it’s the easiest attack to dodge

>>742455041
>he gets hit by fucking spiders
NGMI

legendary is baseline to me at this point
i'm playing master mode ranger hardcore on a celebration+constant seed combo since hardcore there doesn't actually kill you, it just takes away 60 max hp and holy fuck i completely blitzed prehardmode
on legendary i actually have to respect enemies

>>742456081
Play regular hardcore

>>742456151
nah, i like being attached to my worlds and perfecting shit, taking care of things, building somewhat aesthetic buildings and bases instead of function over form dirt huts
hardcore is just too high stakes

Legendary is the only vanilla difficulty that matters and warding is still the best there because of how projectiles work

>>742452565
>Lucky Horseshoe (unmodified)
>increases hidden luck stat
>Lucky Lucky Horseshoe
>doesn't increase luck twice as much
>Lucky [anything else]
>doesn't increase it at all
False advertising modifier

>>742452120
Warding so I don't have to watch my ass 24/7 while just walking around doing stupid things.

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>>742452120
Lucky

>>742456548
lucky sucks shit
crit damage is calculated after the defense subtraction so it's effectively doubled against crits
it's at best neutral compared to menacing against 0 defense enemies

>>742456664
Also don’t forget that minions for some fucking reason cant crit

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>>742456151
>Brain checks out for like 5 seconds
>Die to random explosive trap/boulder that for some reason evaded my wire sweep session
No thanks.

>>742452120
I play expert, so for me, it's warding

>>742452120
Easiest build to kill moon lord Master pre celestial armor is terra blade with beetle armor so yeah more armor is busted

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>>742454371
Melee IS easymode, that and Summoner if you go Valhalla Knight gear.
Then again, maybe those classes aren't easymode. Maybe Mage just fucking sucks so bad it makes everything else seem good.

>>742456785
In my like 30 worlds I’ve played I think I’ve seen like 4 explosive traps total.
But even still just get danger sense and a grand design and traps literally can’t kill you unless you’re stupid

>>742456931
Mage is seriously not that bad. In terms of pure viability summoner is still way harder. Especially in hard mode

>>742456914
turtle armor is better if you're stacking endurance potion, scarf and frozen shield

>>742456914
For me it’s turtle shell with vortex beater with chloro bullets. You can just keep him off screen and shoot until he dies. His attacks are super easy to dodge when he’s that far away from you

quick is secretly the best modifier
bosses basically cant hit you when you are going that fast

>>742457350
>he doesn’t know
How do we tell him

roller skates are genuinely insane in hardmode
you equip them the moment you get your first wings and never take them off, they're literally better than terrasparks and take no accessory slots

>>742457556
roller skates are insane period

only downside is you go around looking like some hipster-zoomer hybrid faggot

>>742457556
Can you fly with them on?

>>742457556
The real trick is to skip wings entirely and just stick to the bundle of balloons

>>742457621
i don't really use them in prehardmode, they can't be used with clouds

>>742457649
yes, you're getting the horizontal mobility of terrasparks in addition to wings

>>742456943
I've seen about 5 per world in my 5 playthroughs, I'm a magnet for the things and it's always before I can get some good ways of finding them.

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All you MFs saying defense doesn't matter, when the Avatar of Emptiness is just hitting you with 500 attacks at once that all ignore immunity frames.

>>742457556
I like Terraspark for all the exploration benefits like water walking and lava immunity.
Roller skates I kinda hate because they make everywhere slippery

>>742457748
Are you playing on the no traps seed or some shit? Explosive traps are extremely rare

>>742457754
what mod is this cringelord from? I want to know what to avoid

>>742457556
I replayed terraria from the start in may in master mode after not playing for years and i immediately found out how broken roller skates are, they just give the perfect amount of handling, acceleration and mobility boost to feel agile, on top of negating chilly movement reduction effects.
The only point in the game where you don't want to use them is when you have to activate vortex armor's effect (lol)

>>742452120
gun

>>742457842
that's bongo bongo from the legend of zelda ocarina of time

>>742454768
I seriously don't understand the logic they used with summoner.
Them having lowest defence would make sense if your minions could hold aggro or if you could hang back. But as it is summoner whips are closer to "true melee" glass cannons than actual Melee builds, which all turn to manaless magic builds and start shooting projectiles shortly after Skeletron.

>>742457962
Don’t forget that a large part of their progression is from side content that other classes don’t have to bother with.
And the fact that they don’t benefit from crit bonuses, so you have an entire stat which is almost useless

>>742457831
Nah I just have shit luck, I never see them after I get the tools to root em out either.

>>742453331
Thank god they canceled that shit, leveling in Terraria sounds like the most out of place shit.
The whole point is that you can advance through equipment, no bullshit or limits, except the ones of you already available items.

menacing,easily

>>742458223
Surely you aren’t referring to the ones with detonators right?

>>742457649
not with rocket boots, only wings

>>742458363
No the pressure plate ones. I've only been killed by the big plunger detonator once during my first playthrough ever and that's because I was pushed off of some scaffolding by a bat and hit a detonator like way off in the dark when I fell. Probably would have died to fall damage anyways.

>>742458668
Damn you do have shit luck then
Bring a garden gnome next time :^)

>kites were supposed to be just a funny meme item
>they now give an insane buff for using them
>now they now have to take another permanent slot on my hot bar
I’m running out of space

>>742458865
Is the buff really that important?

>>742459228
+25% movement speed
+15% mining speed
+15% placement speed when placing blocks and walls
Up to +0.1 luck, depending on the remaining buff
And you can use the kite at any time and the buff goes up to 13 minutes

Nerfing spectre armour sucked. I liked huge lifesteal.

>>742457754
i remember playing this mod before
it's all garbage

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>>742456931
mage is not bad, why do you faggots come and blogpost as though you're some authority on the fucking game, you are some random retard, there is nothing wrong with sucking but don't act like you KNOW what you are TALKING about NIGGER

>>742457962
Moon lord whip with Magma gloves is GOATED though

>>742452120
is there a final fantasy mod pack for terraria?

>>742460013
>the item you get when you beat the game is good
okay now what

Summoner<mage<melee<ranged< ranged with melee armor

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>>742452120
Warding is good even in master mode (granted, really only on melee armor). Also for building and exploring, warding is just more convenient.
Most of the more frustrating boss attacks do smaller chunks of damage rapidly, which warding hard counters
>WoF/retinazer/destroyer/golem lazer spam
>plantera spike balls
>skeletron bitch slaps
>fucking retarded deerclops shadow hands FUCK THIS DUMBASS BOSS
>random bullshit flying around during frost moon
>contact with enemies that nonstop charge at you

>>742460395
>deer clops
I’ll never understand this boss.
It is a pre evil boss with the difficulty of a post evil boss with loot that is like king slime tier.
Who is that boss for

>>742453242
Be like everything in the game. CRAFTABLE modifiers. Want the best stats? Get the mats.

>>742460006
>Use Melee and DPS down the boss while being nigh unkillable
>Use Summoner and watch as my summons gank the boss
>Use Ranger and just mag dump while running away
>Use Mage and be made of glass while having to wait on my ammo to regen unlike Ranger in order to use Melee effects but with cost
I mean yeah I can work around it with the masochist cuffs but it just feels clunkier to use than the other 3 for less payoff.

>>742460650
NTA but mage is just ranged with mana which by itself makes it better than summoner who has to get in the enemy’s face with the lowest defense.
By the sheer fact that you can keep your distance makes mage not the worst. There’s a reason they reworked all the melees to shoot projectiles

>>742452120
whichever one i get first

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This last update was such a wet fart. The seed gimmick fucking blows and they should have just added a minecraft-esque world customization section instead of mashing seeds.

>>742460625
At least the turret he drops is alright for a while.

>>742461071
I’m still waiting on hallow and he’ll alternates
Also a desert boss.
This update was fucking trash

>>742461274
>he thinks relogic will add actual content and not gimmick items + nerfs

>>742460625
you can run under his legs and outmaneuver him hard for a fighting chance in the early game. it's somewhat satisfying

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>>742460625
>Mind numbing, predictable glacier moves that you just have to dash under his legs for
>RNG shadow hands that literally just get in the way of this, but also spawn way more often when you leave the ground, so you HAVE to just eat damage
>when you inevitably run into the hands enough times and have to retreat, he throws snowballs all over a fucking quarter of the map
>spawns randomly on his own
>>>>>>Your progress doesn't reset when you die because relogic knew they monumentally fucked up and made a boss that doesn't even have a clear approach besides cheesing from just off screen

>>742461274
>hallow and hell alternative
They had originally planned to have alts for both of those and the jungle

Hallow would’ve been something like candy land

Jungle would have been a swamp

Hell would have been changed to the underworld and would be blue and gray like from Hercules

Why they cut those I’ll never understand

>>742461424
>his

>>742461575
Probably because they'd have to figure out a whole set of furniture and other bullshit they've exponentially compounded on themselves too.

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Arcane

>>742461575
Holy fuck that alt of hell would have been kino
Shame

>>742461575
>Hallow would’ve been something like candy land
Hallow alt should be some kind of technological biome to mirror the Crimson being a flesh biome.

>>742460625
I have a similar view towards Queen Slime
>Hey guys we finally added a boss to bridge the gap between Wall of Flesh and mechanical bosses
>But actually she's harder than all the mechanical bosses.

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>>742461451
>getting filtered by deerclops

>>742461776
Queen Slime got nerfed iirc and now she is a lot better as an immediate boss for hardmode.

>>742452120
>stack defensive buffs
>facetank Moonlord on master mode
Warding.

>>742461749
Does Arcane do fucking anything when mana flower is 100% mandatory for a magic set up and you effectively have infinite mana?

>>742461827
>Filtered
Of course not; it's just the worst boss ever made in a 2D game.

>>742461927
Skill issue. I think he's fun.

>>742461910
>he uses mana flower
Use magic cuffs and star statues. Flower is a waste of a slot

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>>742461575
Genuinely WHY does Relogic waste their time making dogshit updates when this kind of cool shit was originally planned? If they added all that shit in an update I would be so hyped to replay terraria again.

>>742462019
Mana cuffs can be combined with the mana flower though?

>>742462224
No?

>>742462224
You’re thinking of the magnet

>>742462074
They'll probably never add more biomes because it would tremendously fuck up their meme seed spaghetti code.

>>742459932
i liked solyn tho

>>742461910
Even more Mana.
I don't care for damage or armor. I want more stars on my screen.

>>742461910
Well if you don’t use mana flower and actually regen your mana, the higher max you have the faster it regens

>>742463047
>the higher max you have the faster it regens
Is this ever significant enough to forgo mana flower for bossfights though?

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>mana is a basic stat that everyone has
>only 1 of the 4 classes use it
This is cringe

>>742463080
It also regens faster if you don’t drain your mana all the way. So if you go down halfway and then regen it will regen like twice as fast so your uptime overall goes up. That with a mana regen potion and you will basically never have to drink mana potions because your mana regens almost instantly

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>>742461749
>>742462963
Ah, my Fellow more stars enjoyers.

>>742460798
I played through Expert and Master with Summoner and had no issues. You don't even have to think about anything else but dodging and now that whip stacking is gone you can turn your brain off even more. Your summons do everything else so long as you hit your whip every now and then.
Though Summoner is also my favorite class so I may be more experienced in it than the others making it seem easier.

>>742463108
I mean Summoner kinda uses it but not in any meaningful way.

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>>742463108
That's your piss meter bro

>>742463532
Either you stay in the enemy’s face and spam whips which makes you just a squishy melee
Or you smack the boss once and then just run away while your minions very slowly kill the boss. And you better hope the boss doesn’t have minions that chase you because if you want to attack them then you take your minions off the boss
This isn’t even mentioning how most minions outside of the blade or sanguine staff have annoying AI so you have to not only dodge but position in a way where they can hit the boss
It’s just frustrating to play for me

>>742463778
>Summoner kinda uses it
Anon, when was the last time you played Terraria?

>>742463825
I guess it depends on the person, I've never had problems doing Summoner only runs. Meanwhile I drop mage every single time somewhere through the playthrough. It's just a slog to play unmodded for me.
>>742463869
Steam says May 14th, did they change it in the update? If so I never paid attention and just assumed it still used a tiny amount of Mana to summon sentries.

what was the point of adding an absurd amount of furniture in this latest update?

>>742457754
Sorry but Calamemy is the highest level of edgy cringe I can tolerate