Who wrote a prophecy to say Noelle & Kris can never grow up together and live? Why would someone do such a thing?
>>742669130post flowers
deltarune will not end in a satisfying manner
I didn't notice Ralsei sticks up his hands in this scene my first play through. Also, what's up with his legs? Are his toes angled towards the "camera", or does he have digitigrade paws so he only stands on the toes?
is this really the thread what the fuck
>>742669537bad time
kris cross apple suicide
>>742669183Human cunny sexo.
>>742669537There's TWO Kriselle threads up.
>>742669537Get comfortable.
>>742669747where the fuck is the other one I skimmed the catalog like 4 times
>>742669843>>742668821
If 7 deltarune is shit
>>742669890landfaggots, let's jump ship
>>742669957Haha I finally hit it Now you fags have to stop spamming your shitty game
>>742669183Doe rape, doe rape. Especially the doe.
What happens if you wait 120 seconds for Yellow's gun to charge?
>>742670108You do game over, but one of the rare (maybe only?) game overs where the soul does not immediately play the shatter animation when health reaches zero.
>>742669993This thread seems to be the faster one, though.
>>742669130We can break the prophecy, Kris! Just tell me the magic word!
I need more madgore art
>>742670276Glue!
>>742670418What a predictable creature
Have you ever eaten your own ass?
>>742670537>>742670418HERE I COME SAN FRANDISCO
>>742669130We'll defy the prophecies and do things the right way. These dreams can still come true.
>>742670276Now, Perish In The Bosom Of: My Hellish Reign
>>742670276Sans Undertale
>>742670675Why does Toby do this? Leave breadcrumbs like this lying around then still try to push the gay shit instead?
>>742670553Since this fight is a Kressel parallel this brings forth some strange implications.
>>742670675At best Kris will be the pity 3rd wheel fuck for Noelle and Susie
>>742670660this is wrong noelle would say she's not strong enough to push the button on her own, but if kris tells her to she can
All I feel now is a deep yearning to salvage Kris' fate into something that isn't abject tragedy.
>>742669130They're already spookmoding gaster again
>>742670769it's also worth mentioning that pink calls out noelle as someone kris should 'fawn over'
>>742670831Good
I laugh every time Ralsei goes splat or an explosion happens.
>>742670443I envy Kris's life before THE INCIDENT. He had such a happy childhood.
I think you guys were too hard on the nigga for being a ballerina man. This is funny.
>>742670276Proceed!!!!!
>>742670831skeleton pirate gaster does go pretty hard
Reminder that Ralsei is fated to leave the party.>>742670640
>>742670803To Noelle, no means yes
>>742670756The gay shit is a trap and will lead to a bad ending
>>742670928They just mean storming out of the castletown party and its bullshit
ugh i should learn how to drawshinobeetle is hot and he's giving me ideas
>>742670889Oh that incident... that terrible, terrible incident. If only that fateful day hadn't happened.
>>742670908you're still at the point where he wasn't TOO bad, i'd be curious to see what you think later
>>742670829Anything better than where we're at right now would be nice.
>>742671020Shinobeetle is a fucking nerd
>>742670969What a bitch! Some impregnating sex would teach her a lesson!
>>742670908shiet mang
>>742670981Good and bad are irrelevant.It is interesting.
>>742671085No it isnt. Zero chemistry dyke ending is as bland as it gets.
>>742671085>Dess after they tried to dark world revive her with that fucking cat game infused with a strange black shard, a gold coin and a cherry blossom in the dark world I'm just throwing out bullshit not even grounded theory making at this point desu
This overworld sprite of Susie is new right? Not referring to the dialog box.
>>742671152But enough about the normal route
>*...Before I knew you, I>*I kinda>*I kinda thought you and Noelle were a thing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BeforeSusie, what the fuck did you mean by this? Is the continuity shitting itself?
>>742670789If Kris stops keeping his distance from Noelle and shows interest in her, Susie will be the third wheel. But that will only happen if they survive the prophecy. Getting close to Noelle right now will only put her in danger.
If we get to the end and it turns out this all could have been avoided if Kris bothered to actually try and tell (You) what’s going on I am going to hold even more contempt for the little shit than I already do.
>>742671046SHUT THE FUCK UP ASGORE
My verdict after playing Chapter 5 and then replaying Chapters 1-4 from scratch
>>742669130I don't care if it's generic or boring. I want a true ending where Kris accepts (You) and works together against all odds and his very existence to save everyone.
>>742671298Susie has been at the school since before chapter 1, anon. Noelle's blog posts even talk about this.
>>742671059It's a fucking ace attorney case?Kris dresses as Franziska Von Karma? Ralsei is Prof Layton and I think Susie is Gumshoe?People hated this?
the most shocking thing about pirate gaster is how this is the first time I've listened to fan made lyrics that are actually very goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsWO5rabSws
>>742671457>Ralsei is Prof Laytonthat's trucy...
>>742671457Wait I think Ralsei is actually Trucy Wright?That's kinda even crazier.
>>742671298before they got locked in a supply closet together
>>742671248it's just the ch 3 sneaking
>>742671061>A happy ending? For SOULs like us? Wrong town bro. Wrong game.
>>742671451Haven't Kris and Noelle been distant for years though, to the point that she's been hanging out with Berdly and Catti more? Why would she assume that Kris and Noelle were dating?
>>742671484I kind of like the idea that Carol is a good mother, when she's around, but Rudy being sick, Dess disappearing, and also being the mayor has her being more absent than she'd like to be.
>>742671484why are holiday women like this?
What the fuuuck?>>742671562I know the sneaking is from ch3 but I was wondering if the specific face she's making is new. It changes between when they get caught and Susie starts speaking. Her eyes go derpy
>>742671085image_fraud does nothing
>>742671484pre-dessapearance carol being a good aunt to kris is a headcanon i will hang on to until proven otherwise
>>742671298It means chapter 5 is poorly written and all the 'prophecy is warping reality' theories are cope
>>742671662how can an "evidence" be "not too important, not too unimportant"?
>>742671586They still have a strong bond, they understand each other perfectly.
>>742671586They're not visiting each other's houses like before, but they still interact regularly at school. Noelle even prepares some homework notes just for Kris all the way back in chapter 1
>>742671740By being just the right amount of important
>>742671740The crime it's evidence of hasn't been revealed yet.
>>742671484Only Noelle and Kris's children will be able to bring this poor woman back to life. She's waiting for her grandchildren.
>>742670831Thats just Thresh.
>>742671741>everyone trying to frame WR as rape>it's just a consensual soulmate heterosexual bondingA game so woke it portrays straight people as demons
>>742670861I was talking about Pink eating Maddie's ass there paralleling Kressel but that works, too.
OK what is Ralsei's costume supposed to be here? I can't much distinguish the details on this one. Also, I noticed Kris can also wear Miles Edgeworth's outfit.
>>742671061>>742671564>Chapter 6 starts>Kris wakes up like absolute shit>Meet with Susie in the dark world>Get to room hallway>Kris room is gone replaced by Lancer's>Kris room moved next to Ralsei's>"Hey bumped your room up a floor Kris! Also borrowed some stuff to help furbish Noelle's new room! Hope you don't mind.>Go to Kris' room>The Susie award is gone.
>>742671586berdly and catti were friends with both kris and noelle, although kris was probably more actual friends with berdly than noelle was even if neither of them would admit it we know from noelle that she'd sometimes help kris out with homework or go to her if she forgot her house keyshe would also go to catti's for the same reason, but iirc it's unclear how frequent this waywe also have catti point blank telling kris to protect noelle from susie in ch2, which is the start of the whole spat with kris we see in ch4 and 5 because she failed to do so
The meat factory gasterslop vessel is lameWe need that roaring knight armor, looks like it is piloted by a soul container core in its chest.
>>742670908I think it's just the fact he's a gay black guy, the fandom interpretations of integrity where much better than him.
>>742672014kris would be justified in sacking hometown with noelle in that case
>>742671298She meant before they were friends.
>>742671820>the crime it's evidence of hasn't been revealed yetthe crime is that somebody pushed Gaster into the CORE and Gaster became eggsGaster can only come back once all the eggs are brought together and Gaster becomes CompleteComplete Gaster then travels back in time to push his past self into the CORE, guaranteeing that Complete Gaster, with his meta knowledge, will eventually existit's the perfect crime
>>742672003might be maya fey
>>742672140Kek
>>742671740It's optional shit you can do without affecting the game.
>>742672146But Gaster considers the eggs an issue.
>>742672206It means offspring
>>742672270shining in the cold
>>742671883Dammit I wish I could fuck both Noelle and Ralsei so bad.
>>742672270Looks like a bad ending where Noelle dies. The prophecy won.
>>742671721There's a very high chance this is the case, she's probably genuinely great (if still more reserved compared to Rudy) prior to The Incident...on that terrible day...
>>742669130Toby, because Deltarune is a vent piece about his crush who lezzed out and cucked him.
How do you go from this to throwing Noelle a welcoming party in 24 hours
>>742670969Play resistance is fun
>>742672343>RalseiStop being a faggot.
>>742672206that's because gathering the eggs makes you an accomplice in his own murder
>>742672382Susie lost the plot
>>742672382Maximum escapism
>>742672382she was pretending to like kris to get closer to noellei'm delusional
>>742670915>Look, it's working! I feel stronger than ever!
>>742672140Even though the weird route skips chapter 6, the aborted weird route surely must continue. There's no way to cleanly bring Noelle back without acknowledging the trauma of what happened in chapter 2, especially if Burghley is still in a coma.
>>742672057OMG Sumireko hi.
>>742672273then why does he have dogchecks to stop you from finding them?
>>742672376Shouldn't he... Try to get all the bitches for Kris instead of projecting his cuckoldry?
>>742672460Proceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddddddd
>>742672412I think Kris is already an accomplice in way worse stuff than being dragged into an extradimensional being's death time loop.
>>742672396How am I a faggot if I want to fuck both the girly goat AND the actual girl, buddy?
>>742672604it's not gay if it has a vagina
Wait, I haven't been in castle town for a while; did Susie seriously replace Lancer's room with a room for Noelle?That's turbo fucked up; Lancer was her first friend.
>>742672206>>742672273This. It's a double-layered joke.
proceed.
I wonder why ralsei would allow susie to bring a ticking time bomb that is noelle into castle town when its clearly not a good idea, at least from our point of view.
>>742672705they're just gay noelle
>>742672382Doe puss is too tempting
>>742672382>in 24 hoursThey got back to the Dreemurr house at 1AM and Kris leaves for the school during sunrise. The turnaround happened in less than 8 hours.Also means Kris didn't get a wink of sleep since Carol/the Knight had him running around until he started rotting :(
>>742672730Its all part of the plan
Aborted ch5 weird route. What does this mean? Like it feels too specific. This is said after it's established she's talking about Kris going into Noelle's room alone with her. Is this referring to when you say "Me" and Kris's hair goes wild? That was diagetic?It can't just mean Kris was sweating right? I mean I guess it could, but it's strange wording right?Does anyone have the JP script on hand for this scene? That could shed light on it I guess. Given equipping Noelle leads to the lake, the idea of Kris's hair becoming wet when going on this route feels potentially significant?
>>742671586It probably feels weird because - unless I'm forgetting some line of dialogue (probably something in the Chapter 4 Holiday house I bet) - I don't remember a single implication that Susie was actually jealous because she thought Kris was cucking her out of doe pussy, it's a hamfisted reveal that doesn't actually explain or recontextualize any prior behavior and the fact that it's only seen in the aborted Weird Route makes it even strangerSame thing with Catti suddenly wanting to fuck Noelle too, I almost think that Toby isn't actually bad at writing straightforward romance, his brain just shuts off whenever he tries to throw in some love triangle element
>>742672382There are two possibilities: either Susie is suffering from dementia or the prophecy is actually playing tricks on people's minds.
>>742672687Lancer's Room was completely absent from this Chapter outright, the castle can't stay consistent for jack shit.
>>742672730Then prove it!
>>742672779It means that kris and noelle did try the lake skip and drowned, but the game warped them on shore/the prophecy went "back on track", it's just to show it actually did happen and wasn't just a dream or something
>>742672687>Wait, I haven't been in castle town for a while; did Susie seriously replace Lancer's room with a room for Noelle?Yeah. And Lancer helped like a happy cuck.
>>742670928>Chapter 6 is going to be Kris/Susie/Noelle>Chapter 7 will be Kris/Noelle/Ralsei as the true heroes of the prophecy after Susie leavesI don't think we'll ever get our old crew together unless we the final fight has Susie replace Noelle or something
>>742672779Beat me to it>>742672848
>>742672492Who?
>>742672809Or she thinks she can defy it by just pretending it won’t happen.
>>742672902>Susie leaves>noelle is forced to rape kris AND ralsei to vent her excess libidoThe doe needs to be stopped.
>>742672459>Susie was pretending to like Kris to get close to Noelle>Kris was pretending to like Susie to sacrifice her for sake of Noelle>Noelle was pretending to like Kris and Susie to stop being an NPCIn the end, the only true love is between Noelle and (You),
>>742672870>cuckFor all you know the Chaos king and queen had a pre-arranged marriage for him they agreed on keeping in place so they stay cooperative.
>>742672382The Sans and Toriel scene fucked her up and forced her to recontextualize how she thinks about Kris.
>>742672810I fucking knew there was something missing there>>742672687There is a strong possibility that the writing will never frame this as something bad.
>>742672848It never occurred to me that "why does she have to talk to you alone" is still referring to Noelle on Side B.I kinda thought aborted weird route suggested that we got snapped back to Side A timeline somehow... And I mean, for example, Kris didn't have time to make a deal with Seth on Side B, right?Or were we supposed to interpret that as Kris looked at and spoke to Seth's flower in the light world before Kris opened the fountain?
>>742672902>Not just using ACT to call for your homies like with Gerson
>>742672934The fuck is that?
>>742673010Gross.
>>742673031>There is a strong possibility that the writing will never frame this as something bad.It already is. Darkners just worship Lightners for the most part.
>>742673058krish
>>742673010In the end Flowery was right. The party lacks the true power of friendship
>>742673014The arranged marriage in question.
>>742673032you guys are getting too excited about what might end up being simply deltarune's equivalent of the alphys neutral ending
>>742673032seth deal makes no sense
>>742673010>In the end, the only true love is between Noelle and (You)B-but Toby said that's wrong and called me gross!
>>742673032>Or were we supposed to interpret that as Kris looked at and spoke to Seth's flower in the light world before Kris opened the fountain?Probably.
>>742673032>It never occurred to me that "why does she have to talk to you alone" is still referring to Noelle on Side B.This happened on the chapter 4 weird route>I kinda thought aborted weird route suggested that we got snapped back to Side A timeline somehow...It does but Noelle still has the thorn ring and knows something happened, which is why people are curious to see if this leads to something in chapter 6>And I mean, for example, Kris didn't have time to make a deal with Seth on Side B, right?>Or were we supposed to interpret that as Kris looked at and spoke to Seth's flower in the light world before Kris opened the fountain?Likely, but kris could have talked to the flowers the night before which explains why he was rotting by the morning
>>742672902God I really hope susie fucks off
>>742673135Toby also told me to imagine a bigger underground and draw 500 more skeletons because I don't need to care what he thinks.
>>742669337I think he's just standing up on his toes in that sprite.
>>742673032The extent of how much you can manipulate the dark world while you make it isn't the clearest, but Kris probably made the deal during the fountain making process, same way he dealt with Tenna
>>742673135Damn skippy.
>>742673010Kris and Noelle got childhood friend lore like half of noelle's dialogue is like "I remember when me and Kris threw jelly at dess and then dess hit him with a bat multiple times, I like kris"
>>742672870This is the part where King breaks out of jail from sheer rage of his son being complicit with being sidelined
>>742672995Purple in that image is LITERALLY a Touhou character.Just like in the official game.
>>742672762>the Knight had him running around until he started rottingThe black deer is a freak.
The sword route is foreshadowing the twisted sword route, not the weird routeYou'll take Kris and start murdering everyone in Hometown
>>742671741You mean that Noelle understands (you) perfectly right?
>>742673187we only know of two cases where dess physically went after kris, and one of them isn't even mentioned in the game
>>742671457It's the scene after the fight that people hated. Personally I thought it was fine, but you know how people are here.
>>742673159Ok but Kris's hair didn't "get wet" in ch4 did it?Noelle wants to talk to Kris alone a second time in ch5 side B, Susie is walking Kris there. And in that scene Kris actually has to get their hair wet before failing the route. Of course, you could ask why only their hair got wet and not all their clothes?I don't know, it's just messy.
>>742672014>The Susie award is gone.
>>742673103Ralsei then proceeds to let susie use him as a washing towel without any sense of shame.
>>742673084not my KING>>742673014fun fact: chapter 5 was the first time in the game someone called him "King of Spades", and also the first time we saw another card king outside of the gouldem sam.
>>742670908I like the butterfly thing, that should have been used more. It's the only thing I liked about Blue.
>SPAWN + GUARDIAN
>>742673240Stage 1 game foreshadows normal route.Stage 2 game foreshadows weird route.Stage 3 game foreshadows new unseed route.
>>742673287>>742672014Actually wait no the Susie award is in Kris's real room she can't take that away
hello please get on my 'susie was a darkner who claimed dess's soul' train>'how to draw dragons' never formed as a darkner>tracing of a purple dragon under dess's bed>7 years overdue book dates to first known fountain made and dess's dissappearance>no parents that we know of>the fact that most of the secret bosses have origins in the merging of darkners with lighters in various forms>spamton tried to kill kris and take his soul, he thought this would take him to [heaven], is that his word for 'light world'?>made a weird joke about secret identities>her theme is a guitar + has s_neo as filename>susie and dess are both punk girls at heart>band instrument is drums, and we see drums in dess’s wardrobe>susie wears shoes which is unique for a lightner, piles of shoes in dess's room>numerous references to susie being purple, a dragon, and both combined>catti is wary of her for no reason>toby's twitter teased a variant of 'lost girl' with susie's leitmotif>the weird shit sans says as he’s handing out ice cream
>>742673224>Just like in the official gameI thought seth looked more like a homestuck character
>>742673267Kris got wet when he fails the lake skip with noelle in chapter 5, that susie convo happens much later after that and she is referring to that instanceI don't get what you are getting confused at
>>742671386I'd put chapter 2 on top, but really, 2, 3 and 5 are all excellent.
>>742673179Everything in the dark world has full awareness of its entire existence and surroundings in the light world, so it's reasonable to assume Kris can intentionally "converse" with objects ahead of time to set up these deals, even if it's just a one sided conversation.
>>742673224People naturally know purple soul is a cute touhou girl, then.
>Chapter 7>Susie and Noelle have already saved the day>Kris has been publicly crucified and has his humiliation on display for everyone to laugh at
...Okay buddy
I seriously believe Susie would just not go for Noelle if Kris just told her they still like Noelle and wasn't okay with thatKris is either playing painful 4D chess like they know Susie and Noelle must be paired for a strategic reason, or Kris is the most spineless cuck in the universe.
>>742673307>chapter 5 was the first time in the game someone called him "King of Spades",Where?
>>742673397>We turn to SOUL>To sentence the human cage>We have no DET>To put a man to death
What if The Angel is literally just an angel
>>742672014>Susie takes stuff out of Kris' roomOur ol buddy Spamton tried to warn us...
>>742673387this 100% confirms that the girl ramb was talking about was noelle, not dess
>>742673396i dunno what's a touhouall i know about it is bad apple
>>742673437His main priority, above ALL else, is to bring back Dess. He's not just being a cuck for himself, he's going to extravagant, apocalyptic lengths for his big brother's love life to reignite just in time for his return home, by bringing back his long-missing GF.
>>742669261>it was all a fanfic written by Papyrus >mfw
>>742673460The fatass King of Diamonds in the castle town prison.
We are never going to get an antagonist as chuddy as the chaos king are we
>>742673471
>>742673437>I seriously believe Susie would just not go for Noelle if Kris just told her they still like Noelle and wasn't okay with that>Kris is either playing painful 4D chess like they know Susie and Noelle must be paired for a strategic reasonThis is not anything you need to "choose to believe". The former is explicitly spelled out in the game and the latter is the primary new subtext introduced in chapter 5.>Pic related, like before this is "Just tell me if I've been..."
>>742673437Kris seems to be going to desperate lengths to either simply save Dess or prevent Noelle dying. He doesn't like it, but the alternative is worse
>>742673531isn't that lancer's
So, assuming that retarded schizo theory about the Knight being a fusion of Kris and Noelle isn't true, why does the game keep drawing so many parallels between Kris and the Knight?
>>742671883>always leg-locks
>>742673476>this 100% confirms that the girl ramb was talking about was noelle, not dessYeap
>>742673567the knight is kris from another timeline
>>742669130Every time I see anything Deltarune related I feel a burning desire for a cute blonde girl-next-door childhood friend doe wife and the crushing despair knowing that I will never have one.
>>742673437kris knows they're a wet blanket and probably thinks the lesbos are a happier outcome even if he wants to blow his shit off watching it
>>742673530I think it's weird that King is considered the bar line for evil Tobycore villains and not Spamton
>>742673550Was Lancer's>>742673567If the Knight is some version of Dess, Kris may have looked up to her and tried to copy her
>>742673476Assuming it was Dess in the first place was kind of silly
>>742673567Because Kris had a direct hand in creating The Knight. Darkners are shaped after a Lightner's will when it comes to the Dark World they originate from, as seen with Zenlooker being made in the likeness of Milklooker, in a Dark World that Kris himself made.
>>742673471>>742673531Is there ANYTHING MORE Spamton was foreshadowing?I'm still confused by what he meant with>THERE WILL BE NO MORE [Miracles]>NO MORE [Magic].
>>742673567Because Dess taught Kris all the moves.
>>742673471The only thing left in Kris's room is the lamp and the moss finder trophy. Unless she's gonna take the Tenna statue and Signery before they even reach your room
>>742673608King is a vengeful asshole. Spamton was a freedom chad
Why was the knight trying to take Toriel in the first place?
>>742673567The Knight is Kris's original soul given hellish flesh by the dark world
>>742672382Probably Toby scrapped the original script for Chapter 5 and started over hence why it told us we had to wait a year for the next part to play.Or he's still coping hard he got cucked by a dyke and wants people to suffer the same hatred he can't admit since now days that's career ending confession so he had to make others vent out for him in a mind game sort of way.
>Try to talk about this game outside of /v/>People unironically missing obvious signs that Kris isn't okay with Noelle entering the dark world again for whatever reasons in drovesHow is the vacuous place still the best place to talk about this game?
>>742673617If the Knight is a Darkner, then how is it dragging people to the shelter?
>>742673550Lancers will be moved upstairs. The furniture of Kris room will be used to fatten Noelles room.It ALWAYS comes back to Spamton.
>>742673608King just wants you dead. Nothing more or less. And he still doesn't like you.
>>742673692We still don't know anything.
>>742673692Its an act. The bait for Undyne, the Police Badge code.
>>742672809secret third possibility where toby fox lost his own plot after adding a bunch of new developers to his team that will eventually lead to a hostile takeover of his own game.
>>742673627Probably the dark worlds getting fucked up since magic and stuff is more a factor there rather than Light World
>>742673717It has Kris's original cyan soul, which allows it to reach [[HEAVEN]] (the Light World), the same reason why Spamton wanted the (You) soul.
>>742673716>Kris need helps. He..>DID YOU MISGENDER HIM!>dox your account and perma ban you while doxing your real life
>>742673567Because they're brothers.
>>742673242noelle is the new Chara and perfectly in tune with (you) but many anons refuse to admit this because they self insert as Kris
>>742673530>>742673608We still have ONE HOPE left and Carol will probably be wasted as a teen yuri crap villain
>>742673716Almost no busybodies breathing in your neck to abide by the Correct OpinionTM with moral police. People are unable to have honest opinions if they have fear.
>>742673716People see the "funny flowers" and the "based yuri" and shut their brains off.
>>742670908well i hope you enjoy it because this is literally the only time he's ever funnyactually i guess there's one more mr butterfly gag but that's it
>>742673546>>742673494>>742673437The main priority is protecting Noelle. The only time we ever see Kris "lose it" is when we prove to her that Dark Worlds are real and that we made her murder Berdley. If it was 2024 I'd have agreed with you that Kris's main goal was "FIND HER", but after chapter 5 it's just not. The memories of Dess provoke no reaction from Kris. Looking at pictures of Kris & Noelle in the album book is too painful for Kris to continue."Finding" Dess would be great, Kris probably does hold themself responsible somehow (the dialog "you have already taken enough" when looking at Asriel's money comes to mind; it's spatially in the same place you find the "Dearest December" letters in ch5). But Kris's promise? The thing the person on the phone told Kris don't forget?Protect Noelle. It's a Gwen Stacy situation. Either Carol or Knight-Dess (her soulless body or something idk, this is why Carol feels most likely since we also hear a version of Dess trapped in the code) asked for this promise.
>>742673595>seth: you look lonely... i can fix that
>>742673716because everywhere else that people actually talk about this game is full of delusional yurislop trannies
>>742673567I think the knight is a vessel for the cyan soul kris had at this point.The knight looking the way it does due to influences from Dess and Kris wishing to be a monster.I don't know how long it was going on for but we know kris easily takes a soul out and can persist a while without one. So he may have been having his cyan soul put into the knight vessel for quite a long time before our soul got put into kris.I think it's a neat theory that fits thematically which is what I like about it but it is kinda shaky
>>742673627>>THERE WILL BE NO MORE [Miracles]The miraculous Power of Friendship, employed by Flowery, was not enough to defeat Kris.>>NO MORE [Magic].The Roaring, likely. As Fantasy and Reality bleed together, the fun parts erode, which includes being able to cast magic.
>>742673496It's actually a simulation made by GASTER
>>742673807I want to fuck that deer milf
>>742673567I imagined Kris got the mannerisms from Dess, and that the knight was in some part Dess (I'm less convinced it's Dess at this point, but is influenced by/derived from Dess)
>>742673692Find out in the penultimate episode of Deltarune!Meanwhile, buy more Ralsei plushies!
>>742673692>Knight's first priority in Chapter 3 is to take Toriel>Knight's first priority in Chapter 5 is to take AsgoreHmm I wonder what these two characters have in common
>>742673692Ritual that needs all Undertale main characters
>>742673608I said chuddy, spamton is schizoThey have different vibes
>>742673716because 4chan is the place that has the most freedom where you are mostly free to say what you want. Everywhere else is poisoned by culture war LGBTfags or thin skinned faggots that will ban you for wrong think in their little safe spaces
>>742673567Why do people think that Dess is the Knight if Dess will clearly be revealed to not have antlers?
>>742673934the knight is actually a big undertale fan and is gathering up the characters like in that star trek episode of futurama
>>742673963Actually we still suffer from Flaggots too still. They just don't have as much power here so we have to deal with their spamming instead.
>>742673934Hmmmm........
>>742673963>>742673716There's actually plenty of people off of /v/ who are quick on the uptake about the story and there's also a metric ton of retards in these threads
Between Knight theories, Dess tragedy theories, Prophecy theories and Ralsei theories there's always Asriel around as some possible hidden variable that could've done a ton of stuff, while there are hints something about him is being hidden from usIt's funny that he may be the key to solving the plot or literally won't even appear in the game and did nothing important
>>742673805Noelle needs to not die in the endgame if she truly wants to reach the level of the top two. But yes, (you) x yout waifu is best ship, ignore Toby seething.
>>742673135says it's gross but keeps writing it as we hollow out all the parts of the old/real Kris for new/(you) Kris. only thing we as if Noelle asking for the player's name but Toby is too scared to do that
>>742673797As much as I used to actually want Asriel to be revealed as the Knight, the fact he didn't show up at all in Chapter 5 makes me extremely doubtful. Then again, there really are big problems with pretty much every other popular Knight candidate at the moment anyways, so who knows
>>742673934>Asgore has data about the Dark World and is about to reveal them to Carol>suddenly, Knight Appears
>>742673990Human Dess doesn't work when Kris hates other humans + Noelle being afraid of humans under her bed due to Kris. Plus is breaks UT lore. You could say that Dess was wearing an antler headband like Kris was in the flashback, but she is as old as Asriel is there (likely 16), while Kris was still a kid.In summary, human Dess is still a dumb theory.
>>742673990If HumanDess is possible, then it'll be yet another parallel to Kris by having her badass evil form have the antlers she always wanted, the same way Kris always wanted horns to fit in with the Dreemurrs.
>>742673738Asgore had the police badge code though, and that aside, we already know The Knight can get into The Shelter already, they don't need the code.
>>742673627>the dark world doesn't really exist, it's all larping presented from inside the fantasy, but back IRL some people are losing their grip on what's real and what isn't>a noelle is just a noelle
>>742674058maybe, but i dont see em. they are buried by the pronoun policing of hugbox algorithms. >t. last time i checked reddit was before chapter 3 and the top post was making all the characters say what the tranny OP wanted them to say when coming out
>>742672014>>Kris room moved next to Ralsei'sthis would be sad but it would also be kino as it foreshadows kris being one of the bosses (since only bosses get the second floor rooms)
My reason for why Asriel Knight doesnt make sense is he absolutely would deck that stuff out with broken heart gloves and rainbow auras
Susie's behavior in ch5 makes more sense if she already found the DELTA RUNE code when she returned to the church between ch4 and ch5 to grab the darkners.
>>742673837Giwtwm
Kino
>>742673692The Knight wanted her for the Shelter Sex Party
>>742673807>Eldest daughter gone>Husband is probably about to die>Other daughter going dyke with the local hoodlum that eats trash>Has to tard wrangle a town while the internet is down>All this while trying to work with your likely godson to try to prevent another catastrophe Being Carol is suffering
>>742673934>>742674032Hmmmm... what could it possibly mean...
>>742674120Ok then where's dark world Kris' devil horns? I don't see them?
>>742672014This is all happening during a School Day and Susie will be delusional enough to not leave the closet. This, along with the accusation of stealing everything for many chapters will have her expelled.
>>742674153Kid Asriel would, but this is Post-Dessappearance College-Age Asriel who's probably carrying a lot of baggage over the fact the love of his life completely fucked off with no trace and a ripple effect that's utterly broken two families.
How are friendship enjoyers holding up?
>>742672014i will become Chara's strongest soldier if that happens.
>>7426739634chan is the place that has the most WHAT
>>742673805I've been (You)ellepilled for years now, and I will continue to keep my faith.
>>742673721>you don't even sleep here kris, so we took some of your stuff for noelle's room>i knew you wouldn't mind!>let's go get noelle
>>742673990Aqua makes human Dess more likely as she's a canon human female meaning Toby can actually do it, but it's still extremely unlikely that will happen. Sans probably just said it weirdly so we would know Noelle had an older sister.
Is there any explanation for the knight being at the church other than they were looking for Toriel who wasn't there because Sans directly and knowingly intervened?
>>742674153Asriel Knight doesn't make sense because Asriel Dreemurr would never ever in a million years strike his little sibling that he always wanted. It's the same reason "Asgore is the boss of chapter 5" was never ever going to happen. But we do know a character who was always comfortable or even giddy to whack Kris.
Am I bad for waifuing noelle
>>742674247If there wasn't any consequences for them trashing the church, no one's ever going to bring up items going missing
>Character titles change or adapt ONLY when you enter a Dark WorldNoelle must not enter any Dark World, as this could potentially change her role. I hope Kris has a plan for what to do if Noelle accepts Susie's offer.
>>742673716It's crazy watching people from the tumblr sphere livestream the game, because them and the chats are 100% on board with Susie and Noelle's relationship and see nothing wrong with it. They actually do treat Kris like an NPC vessel from which they're viewing this epic lesbo romance as a spectator. No thoughts whatsoever about how Kris feels.
>>742673830Is it not counter intuitive that Kris swore on their life to protect Noelle and now is allowing Noelle to get muddled in Dark World problems? What is the catch here?
>>742674402>Hmmm, this letter's handwriting that was given to the preacher match one of the student's handwriting
>>742674219will gaster ever apologize for his crimes against a bunch of people he probably knew from the underground?
>>742674369I thought she wasn't going to church anyway because of the rain
>>742674421Make her eat so much moss it overrides her title?
>>742674261Undertale Asriel had a more fucked up life and he was still cringe, to not forget Flowery also having a lot of GoHD mannerisms, too.
>>742674379>Asriel Knight doesn't make sense because Asriel Dreemurr would never ever in a million years strike his little sibling that he always wanted.The same way his Undertale counterpart absolutely didn't attack Frisk once while he was still under the delusion that Frisk was his best friend Chara?
>>742674439>This student is borderline illiterate>I wonder who it could be?
>>742674427It is crazy how much fan art of the table scene depicts it as a wooden picnic table
>>742674369I don't think so, but I also think that's a reasonable explanation. It's a bit hard to pin down too much of The Knight's thoughts but if there's one consistency it's that they seem to want to just grab an Undertale character and leave, and they also probably know as much as Kris knows and he thought Toriel would be there.
>>742673797>>742674090>>742673830>>742674062Guys I just cooked up a new schizo theory: Kris is working with the Knight while prioritizing keeping Noelle safe, because the Knight is Asriel, who, instead of being a twist villain, is a twist antihero desperately trying to find a way to save Dess through any means necessary. (You can throw in the theory about Susie being an intended sacrifice in her place, doesn't really matter)
>>742673413>Without me!?
>>742674430We haven't yet seen how Kris is gonna handle Susie's Idea. She just dropped this on Kris.
>>742674440>gaster in ch7
>>742674303Susie and Kris's friendship is nothing but an unstoppable ticking time bomb
>>742674451That was very obviously just an excuse.
>>742674427>No thoughts whatsoever about how Kris feels.ludokino
>>742674439>>742674479she's poor so no one cares
>>742674490>Chapter 1 Kris can't put his fingers through the holes anymore>Chapter 2 Susie can't either>Literally see the marks on Kris's face from being pressed up against themPeople just don't pay attention
>>742674439>>742674479Susie really should've done this serial killer style by cutting out magazines>>742674561A few candles are one thing. The town's high-tech laptop is another
>>742674472Flowey didn't have a soulThe souls didn't obey himHis adult form didn't get SAVED yet
who was that shopkeeper at the top of the cliff?
>>742674379Asriel was literally torturing Frisk I have no mouth and I must scream style because he thought Frisk was Chara
>>742674618Pink.
>>742674618Pink?
>>742674472Yeah let's not act like all that time as flowey had no psychological effects at all not like he spells out how he got bored of nicer stuff and kept wanting to see what would happen if he killed instead Asriel is not the one in a timeloop this time so
>>742674507Forgot to add the reason the Knight has the appearance and mannerisms that it does is because Asriel is using Kris' original soul
>>742674618her
Gerson's note to Alvin made me feel more than anything else in the game so far. Susie being retarded but otherwise earnestly trying to get the point across really added to it
>>742674618Pink / Mew Mew. If you go back after the boss fight it confirms it.
>>742674606Berdly's afraid of her, no one else seems to be managing the library, also toby probably didn't think about any of this
I know Susie is a weakling compared to Kris but I still hope the real Vs. Susie moment is the hardest boss in the game, the riff is too good to waste on an easy fight.
>>742673058>>742673085I'm a little yellow krish in the deep blue sea
>>742674153Asriel is so cringe that he would become an edgy emo "i am da dark knight... i have nothing left to live for......" type if his gf fucking died
>>742674472>>742674607>>742674660Aren't Flowey and Asriel literally not the same entity? I thought the end of the TP route was just Flowey taking Asriel's form. If you go back to the game once it's finished, he's back to being Flowey
I think Asriel is the creator of Hometown that’s why it has a shitty generic name, was a running gag in Undertale that the Dreemurs suck at naming things
>>742674602Why are those plants so slutty?
>>742670756because there is obviously something more going on behind the scenes that kris is doing that we don't know
>>742674696too bad that character doesnt exist anymore
Toby is kinda cute...
>>742674210
>>742674696Anything related to Gerson is cool.
>>742671586>>742672783Susie was picking up on the vibes in Ch4
>>742674742It's not gonna be vs. SusieIt's vs Kris. You play as Susie as the theme plays trying to beat Kris but it's an unwinnable fight.
>>742674785Asriel in the garden is really Asriel he's like running off the residual energy of containing every soul in the Underground or something. It is, word of God, Asriel. He refuses to go see Toriel and Asgore because he recognizes they would just have to then go through the pain of losing him all over again.
>>742674696Alvin's desire to and ultimately giving up on ever living up to his father is what created the shadow crystal in the first place too
>>742674303Ironically the weird route had more bff content than the main game
>>742674696>>742674814It really is crazy how hard the Susie stocks have plummeted since Chapter 4
>>742674742I STILL BELIEVE that Vs. Susie will be a KINO moment.I WILL make a remix and drawing and post them here before the C6 releases.I have HOPE.
>>742671586It’s a retcon. Not even the most retarded Suselle fag thought Susie was like that
>>742674781I do sometimes wonder if the roaring is just going to be someone's edgy spergout where they literally rip the place apart code by code looking for someone. Would explain why carol and kris are on it's side
>>742674886I think that detail is what makes Gerson work as a subversion to me. The broken dream is his son's, so he refuses to use it and instead works to fix it again with the letter
>>742674870Even with a mantle?
chapter 5 in japanese is an entirely different experience
>>742674956my FUARKing hero
>>742674904Susie stocks only plummeted for self inserters who blame Susie for loving Noelle and who refuse to acknowledge that Kris is intentionally matchmaking them while refusing to confess their feelings to either Susie or Noelle even if the player tries to make Kris.
>>742674983sure, weeb
>>742674742>>742674870>>742674919Remember anons, the last time Vs. Susie was used, we were playing for Susie...
>>742674903It makes sense considering Susie felt she and Kris were in a stable, good place on the main route but was aware something was up with him on the Weird Route and was trying to console him. Also, their time together on the Weird Route is almost certainly the last time they'll ever spend together as friends on that route, if not the last time they spend together at all, so it makes sense for it to be a moment that emphasizes their bond.
>>742674983name three ways in which its different
>>742675006>that Kris is intentionally matchmaking themNo he isn’t
>>742673627>tfw chapter 6 and 7 don't have dark worlds at all
>>742674983Yeah, Asore telling the incident with all the details really threw me off. No wonder the Jap theory scene is so different
>>742674870I would lose the fight as fast as possible
>>742674919The song is great but loops terribly, the true song should be amazing
>>742675056how is ralsie gonna explain that one away
>>742674507Welcome brother, you finally figured it outhttps://pastebin.com/a1NfCmB4Now spread the gospel king
>>742675059All the text is in JapaneseThe characters speak Japanese instead of EnglishFlowery does a racist impression of a Japanese man instead of speaking naturally
>>742674976what dark/star attacks Kris got?
>>742674956>tfw you will never have a friend as based as Flowery
>>742671586if you look back and squint pretty her you could headcanon that Everytime Noelle was being nice to Susie she was purposely being oblivious and trying to get Kris to reveal more about their relationship I suppose
>>742670831Cursed spectral pirate captains are cool
>>742672140> <3 Shouldn't Proceed Yet
>>742673530>chapter 1's villain doesn't think that darkners are meant to serve lightners>this mentality is never brought up again by any other darkner ever
*Knowing the Wind Struggler might one day get the cheese fills you with Determination.
>>742674903You can still get some stuff if you just refuse to acknowledge Noelle during the festival. Although it does backfire if you do that with the diner. Plus other dumb shit like checking for mites and fleas
>>742673807She barely does anything, I don’t get why leddit and the alphabet cult hate her so much.
>>742675084Kris literally thirdwheeled for them
>>742674919are you gonna feel bad when Susie inevitably gets dragged out of castle town to be sacrificed? i imagine all the darkners will protect her kicking and screaming and all the recruiting we did will just make the job harder. or not. I could see Toby just have Susie get ambushed by Carol outside the school
>>742675183snootbros... why did she leave us?
Asriel Knight is just fundamentally bad on a meta level because seeing Asriel as the antagonist again is fucking boring as shit
>>742674785Flowey is Asriel, he came back to life because his dust was on the flower that Alphys pumped full of DT juice. Collecting all the souls is how he's able to temporarily revert to his proper Asriel form, because he otherwise doesn't have a soul of his own.
>>742671741The entire Susie yuribaiting arc is actually just a childish attempt to get more attention from Kris since Susie spends so much time with him now. Trvst the plan. Harem ending is still going to happen.
>>742675168We don't use determination 'round these parts...
>>742675104
>>742675006I wouldn't say he was overtly playing matchmaker but he was being too autistic to say anything
>>742675057Her acting like this when Kris is very clearly fucked up without drawing attention to it tells me that even on the normal route, she's aware something is up.
>>742674785Flowey is Asriel but without a soul, he can't feel love and compassion, and that plus the resets and guilt/trauma from losing Chara basically completely changed him. That's why he says to Frisk that next time she sees him she shouldn't see him as Asriel.
Hey so question, If the world of deltarune (hometown) really is just confined in a space with this "out of bounds" zone just hovering outside, (wifi out,). Where did asriel go? they said he went to college but thats out of town. the entire world is just the town right?
>>742675183I saw someone point out that Ralsei taking off his glasses in the 1on1 scene with Kris draws attention to the fact Ralsei's glasses are black and white in his face sprite, yet green in the game. IDK what to do with that but we do know that Lightners / non-darkners have black and white sprites.
>>742675326>Hey guys, if [headcanon] then how did [detail established at the very beginning of the game that directly contradicts headcanon]
>all the edgekino noelle art from 2021 was on the moneyfeelsgoodman
>>742675093I would mod the game to force myself to win it, actually.
>>742675326type of shit dess be asking on day 1 of noclipping
>>742675223It sucks if you're assuming the Knight is the main antagonist, which considering we already know of multiple entities and seemingly entire different factions operating on a plane above the Knight in the overall narrative, seems extremely unlikely
Potassium
>>742675330the mascara theory was fun for the entire hour it lived
>>742675326Asriel is actually in the shelter.
>>742675437I don't think anyone believes the Knight is really the main and final antagonist of the game, with that said, Asriel is still a very lame choice. Nobody should choose to write a story with him again. It also breaks the trend Undertale characters play minor roles in Deltarune which has been yet again made true
>>742675223>Toby is a hack and does the same thing twiceNo way! It's not possible!
>>742675387Nta but if you put Susie and Noelle on the Ferris wheel they comment that it only went halfway up, there’s clearly nothing outside Hometown people denying simulation are coping.
>>742675104>asriel is the bad guy DM>ralsie is the dark world DMoh yeah, it's all coming together
>>742674632>thought he could sneak this by unnoticed
>ch6 Noelle enters dark worlds>realizes how much is based on stuff she and Kris used to do >gets jealous of how Susie is involved in her and Kris’ special thing Your reaction?
>>742674421>as this could potentially change her role>he doesn't knowher title got changed in ch5 to Mistletoe
>>742675326Susie, Alphys, Sans and Papyrus are all from out of town as well. It's not that there's nothing beyond Hometown storywise, it's that Hometown represents the diegetic limits of the game itself. It doesn't really matter that Asriel is in college or that Dess left or may be dead or anything like that; in the context of the game, their importance to the story is not being part of the game world and how their absence affects everyone.
>>742674329the moment Noelle starts quoting Chara I will scream KINO
>>742674421>Noelle must not enter any Dark World, as this could potentially change her roleha hawell, anonabout that
>>742670893We know, Susie Gaster (Last name)
>>742675581it'll be a throw away line then Susie and Noelle will go back to making out
>>742675581Stupid bitch tried to muscle in on the diner. She'll get no sympathy from me
>>742675662reminder mistletoes are parasitic plants (but this won't mean anything)
>>742675662Why would Noelle have a description for a dark world she's never meant to be at?
>>742675627The diegetic limits of the game are canon to the game world though, like The Roaring is literally just the end credits which is why Ralsei freaks out about how the story must not come to an end
>>742675479What do you mean?We see his face sprite from ch2 for a text box after he takes off his glasses. Then he splashes his head around and then uses this sprite while saying "sorry there was some water in my eyes!"How can this scene be interpreted except that his makeup started running from the water/steam?
>>742675550Cute!
>>742675497I mean I can't really argue with that, but like I said earlier pretty much all of the other Knight candidates don't quite fit 100% for one reason or another, and if I had a gun put to my head and was asked which one I thought would actually work better in terms of story between the Knight being Asriel or Dess, I think I would unironically choose Asriel at this point
>>742675662Wonder if Kris is going to realize he reached a Fail State and the dialogue options change to signify he just stopped giving a fuck
>>742675168Cheese Theory completely changed my perspective on everything. Kris is so good at hiding his emotions, but he can't stop his consciousness from influencing the dark worlds he has opened. The poor guy is literally craving Noelle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO89LmqVcpA>this is the mixtape that Flowery gave to Asgore
>>742675641Noelle is our Flowey, actually. She's being betrayed and dying.
>>742675517Truman simulation doesn't make sense because in that movie EVERYONE is in on it. All the townsfolk would be trying to explore if they were out of the loop. And if everyones a program then who really gives a fuck about anything in this story because it doesn't matter, its not 'real'. It would just be terrible storytelling. Cut to black/its all a dream silliness.
>>742675796I'll stick with the better version
>>742675517That's not how to read that scene. The festival outcomes change for different character groupings. Susie and Noelle play the hammer game, it only goes up halfway. Susie and Noelle ride the Ferris wheel, it only goes up halfway. Kris and Noelle play the hammer game? It goes all the way up. Kris and Noelle ride the Ferris wheel? Susie says that they went so high up, she couldn't hit them with what she was throwing at them. Kris and Noelle got to the top of the Ferris wheel.
>>742675764Sure, Asriel Knight "works" because it can technically fit everything, but why bother writing a bad choice to begin with?
Everyone forgets that the name of the apocalypse coming is The Roaring. What the fuck roars? A dragon. Even if there isn’t a dragon in the prophecy panels, it still alludes to a dragon.Whats the name of the book? Lord of the Hammer, who has the hammer? Susie. The Lord of the Rings is Sauron, the big bad. Sauron, saurus, reptile, dragon.Whats the name of the game? Dragon Blazers. Who the fuck blazes? Ralsei. Who is the dragon? Susie. Ralsei blazes Susie. Thats why Susie says that especially Ralsei won’t let the last prophecy come. The dragon will be blazed.In Japanese its Dragon Blader, who wields the blade? Hero_sword. The hero that wields the sword will blade the dragon.
>>742675641she did rip control out of your hands during the proceed scene if you press stop but you still can take it away by drowning like you do before Chara 9999s the world
>Noelle always loved Kris, she just tried to move on when Kris started ignoring her as they got older (maybe due to the Dess shit). That feeling is still there, though. She's pretty thoughtful in general and wants to be happy, even if she feels trapped.>Kris loves Susie, or something close to it. We know this for a fact from Chapter 5. He doesn't say it out loud because he has a job to do (whatever the big plan with the Knight is) but we can see it. He also probably loves Noelle (he at least cares about her a lot), but we don't know his side of this as well yet, we don't have enough information on why he started drifting away from her.>Susie meanwhile is a fucking sociopath that totally shit on Kris's feelings all chapter.Only one of these three people is at fault for bad blood.
>>742675841...which is this one
>>742671484OH GOD NO DONTPLEASE DONT MOMMY CAROLSTOP IT I CANT JACK OFF TO CAROLNO PLEASE
>>742675769You will get another handful of * narration and you will like it.
>>742675849>Kris and Noelle play the hammer game? It goes all the way up.(you) and Noelle play the hammer game*
How does RK speak in Japanese?
>>742675892It's not Susie's fault Kris refuses to express they don't like something
>>742671628(you) have a hypnotizing effect on them
>>742675517>>742675820I am really curious to see how the all the fuckery with Hometown gets resolved. Because there's obviously a lot of weird shit going on in the Light World, but making all of it a dream/simulation/whatever would obviously ruin the entire game
>>742675326Out of bounds is not outside of lake, it's below the lake. As you go deeper, the light will not reach you and below that, you will find the primordial dark world, the depths.>World slaughter, this time underwater>[She's saving the day], Mew Mew help me!>[She's saving the day], It’s so cold in here!
>>742674119>Kris hates other humansI know Kris gets upset whenever he's reminded he's an adopted human, but don't remember this ever being said
>>742675870>Who the fuck blazes? Ralsei.Damn right.
>>742675870And don't forget about what happens at the very start of Skies Forever Blue.
>>742675849>Kris and Susie fight each other instead of playing the hammer gameThis is gonna end badly.
You will never see her again.
>>742675892people are starting to realize that kris does still deeply care for noelle, but has pushed her away for whatever reason
>>742675870i don't want Kris to vs Susie. i want my vessel to fight her and conclude the plan. fights gotta be pretty good since you did upgrade her healing after all
>>742675987I'm firmly of the opinion that if there's not an ending where the main cast gets to grow up and live full lives then the experience of Deltarune fucking sucks. I mean, it's literally a coming of age story, isn't it?And that includes Ralsei by the way. That dumb fag better become real with the power of LOVE. And then go fall in love with someone less manipulative than Kris. I don't think any Kris ship should "win" by the way. Kris just needs to go to college and start the fuck over like Asriel. There's plenty of doe pussy in the sea.
>>742675326I expect that Hometown operates on the same basis as the Dark Worlds do, which is to say that even though they talk of this history of TV World being built up, or the Flowers having storied relationships where they've all come to know each other, or the Card Kingdom having gone from having a history where there were multiple kings until King installed himself as the one true king, we know that there was no time for this history to actually play out. Even if some of it based on the role of the Light World counterpart to the Darkners, it seems like the history of the Dark World is written into it and because its implicitly understood that this is the history of the world, it just is even if it never happened. It's the same with Asriel. Asriel exists as much within the actual context of Deltarune as he does to us from the outside looking in, where he's talked about as though he actually exists and him and Kris actually grew up together and all that, but none of it is actually true. The world of Deltarune effectively came into existence when we started seeing it and anything about the history of the characters and the town hasn't actually happened but is written into the history of the world so the result is what we see. That's how I think it works anyway.
>>742676063>Kris doesn't even attempt fighting back in the B RouteGuys..?
>>742669130They're lesbians and they hates men
>>742676063Yeah.>KriselleGenuine love. Regardless of route will find a way.>SuselleQuestionable, based on shaky ground to begin with.>KrusieTotally fucked.
>>742676094Noelle is better anyway
>>742675787>Kris is so good at hiding his emotionsAs long as (You) don't touch Noelle.
>>742676145Kris is mentally shot in weird route
>>742676145Noelle raped the resistance out of him
>>742675738This is only partly true, because Deltarune is clearly about exploring and testing those limits. Kris was doing things before we entered the game, and Kris continues to do things between chapters. The sword route stuff in chapter 3 clearly showing how we can shift between meta "layers" points to there being something more "zoomed out" than Hometown. The VHS tape ending in the weird route also shows this sort of "breach." And, obviously, the whole SURVEY PROGRAM thing to begin with.
>>742675892>Susie meanwhile is a fucking sociopath that totally shit on Kris's feelings all chapter.Sometimes I forget just how autistic people on /v/ are. Kris doesn't say shit and Susie is just oblivious. She's definitely not a sociopath or whatever other headcanon you've got cooked up, at worst she's unintentionally neglectful
>>742676063>Actually that totally healed meWhy does the foreshadowing only stop when it suits your headcanon?
>>742675892Susie is not emotionally mature, she has been growing up rapidly due to our influence but is still not even a full week removed from being a bully everyone hates.
>>742676131The problem is that makes literally everything in the game, except maybe the interactions between the main cast, not only fake, but also gay...Oh fuck wait a second we're already halfway there aren't we????
>>742675892Susie is not sociopathic in the least. I would say that at worst she's somewhat lacking in empathy but in truth she's still probably the most empathetic character of the group.
>>742676094>Smells Kris's shampoo >Only person Kris loves enough to do the same thing he used to do with Asriel>Shields her when she's about to get hit>Saves him from falling >Heals him even if her healing sucksThey're so perfect for each other, their bond is so much stronger than this shoehorned Suselle shit
>>742676314She WAS. Until she slept in the Dark World. Now she's a bitch.
>>742676131this is likely what toby is going for with all the meta stuff but I really hate these sort of stories
>>742675918Stroke inducing disregard for grammatical rules in an unholy fusion of old Japanese, modern slang and English. Japanese doesn't do the "s" at the end for plural forms, but Rouxls sure fuckin' does. I dunno if you've heard about loan words being written in Katakana, but Rouxls also disregards that and does stuff like "but" in hiragana (ばっと instead of バート). If memory serves, Toby said something to the effect of "in fact, if you try reading his dialogue in Japanese you might end up feeling dumber" and I fully agree, every time the fucker opens his mouth in Japanese I want to punch his face in.>t. weak N4 weeb
Filling all of Seth's available holes
>>742676175but Noelle belongs to ME. can't stop fate buddy
>>742675641Seeing how the Weird Route she goes batshit crazy even when you decline to say "Proceed" she forces the bad option on you. I always felt like Noelle couldn't be trusted since she would make things worst and more and more i feel justified to hate her guts since i had a feeling she was gonna cause a shitstorm one way or another.
You guys will talk shit about other websites' theorizing skills and then try to tell me how awesome it would be if Hometown is a simulation that got created last Thursday and all the characters' history and memories is made up and the ending doesn't matter because it's just a simulation that will turn off Oh, and that the knight is Kris & Noelle fused together, and the knight went back in time to make sure it always exists, and that's why it's working with present Kris, even though present Kris is desperately against Noelle being awoken, and even though everything the knight does in ch3+4 is completely unrelated to how Kris & Noelle would have fused
>>742676115I wouldn't ever describe Deltarune as a coming of age story when it feels like every main character has some kind of possible death flag on them, and maybe all of them at once
>>742676175Well yeah he's been soulless for a whileHe's had a lot of practice acting certain emotions
>>742676094I believe
Deltarune is about returning to primordial chaos, so that you can create Julius Caesar II with your vessel so that the world can spin again
>>742676391She is 1000% going to go completely apeshit in the normal route too, it's only a matter of timeAnd I, for one, can't wait
>>742676410>Hometown is a simulation that got created last Thursday and all the characters' history and memories is made up and the ending doesn't matter because it's just a simulation that will turn offI don't know if this is what will happen, but I don't see how it would make everything that happened not matter. We're probably never going to see the Flowers again, does that mean Flowery doesn't matter?
>>742675841>huh, nice vocal, I wonder who is the vocalist>huh
>>742675734Because she is meant to be there. She's the girl hero of the prophecy. Gerson already named Susie as the dragon.
>>742676115If Toby built up his big fever dream ending just to be 'And they all lived happily ever after' then that would suck. It can end on a positive note, but that doesn't mean it should end like Undertale's True Pacifist route. That actually sounds like the worst ending I can imagine for Deltarune.
>>742676538I don't think so, she might not be doing well in the normal route but I don't think she has the stones to go off the deep end. Aborted weird route maybe.
>>742676608i think the person who posted it originally mentioned it was slopmade
Guys chapter 5 weird route ends with a literally pan out to CRT screen saying "Insert Chapter 7 Side B" it's a fucking meta-narrative simulation. They exist on a CRT screen it's a fucking video game within a video game.
I don't think that the guy who adamantly refuses to sell Lightner merch will go the simulation/dream/hallucination/etc. route
>>742673963Freedom, you say?>>742673716Probably because people who actually WANT to discuss the game in-depth without wanting to deal with other troglodytes left other sites and came to discuss herePretty interesting how the reception of chapter 5 is very positive on other sites, and yet on this, chapter 5's reception is... mixed to say the least
Do you think Toby has ever looked on /v/ in recent years? Honestly I think its most likely he hasn't considering he was a forum/tumblr user as a kid
>>742676681and that's almost as bad as "it was all a dream" tier stories
>>742676681It couldn't be any more obvious that this is meant to parallel Gaster's tapes in the UT True Lab.
>>742676725Toby only changed the rose scene because he saw /v/'s reaction. I'm not kidding I seriously believe in this
>>742676094>>742676339The deep trust Susie feels for Kris in Ch4 is as fucked up as Deltarune has ever been so far, Kris is literally maneuvering for her to die to the prophecy but is still finding time to forget about it and draw lil faces on the glass with her, or do the cross juice drinking or snack plate lawnmower maneuver without our prompting. You guys say Susie is goofing off or thinking of love too much in chapter 5?Kris is literally arranging for her to die while thinking "ooh in this fleeting moment looking in the mirror with you I feel so good~" and PUTTING STICKERS ON HER FACE AT CHURCHKRIS HAS LITERALLY ORCHESTRATED HER DEATH AND IS PLAYING WITH STICKERS WITH HERAnd going back to that "Susie isn't serious enough on ch5 after ch4 night" thing. How about Susie & Kris after the night of chapter 3?Susie watched the chief of police get fucking kidnapped and locking inside the evil death bunker and was busting her hands against the doors yelling and crying Chapter 4 morning? Scarfing down pancakes and getting excited for the day. Why was that okay but ch5 isn't? The writing is done the same way.
>>742676664I think she might in the way she might try to go full escapism and create her own dark world where shit doesn't suck
Undertale broke the 4th wall constantly and ultimately ended with Flowey/Asriel begging you to stop playing the video game and let the characters in it have their happy ending and you fags think Toby for some reason won't be acknowledging that the game world is in fact a video game?
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>>742676626I actually don't think the fever dream is the "final ending". I think it was Side B, but I also believe there will be a "Side C".
>>742676387Personally, I would never steal Kris's most precious person from him. Kris even cried all night because he felt helpless and unable to protect Noelle from (You). I feel so sorry for him.
>>742676725You would surprised at the huge overlap between 4chan and Tumblr users, especially back in the early 2010's.
>>742676817>let the characters in it have their happy endingThen let them have their happy ending and move on instead of playing simulations with them
>>742676725There is no question he's still active. He curates his online presence extremely carefully in a way that only true oldfags trying to live in both worlds can do.
>>742676376Her womb is delicate, please be gentle....
>>742676870>The angel is something as bad as an edgelord>The angel is a shipper compelling you to get with the psychotic doe lady because they find her existence funny
>>742676817>and you fags think Toby for some reason won't be acknowledging that the game world is in fact a video game?It's not the idea of the game acknowledging it's a game that's the problem, it's the idea that the setting itself is equivalent to those goofy ass theories like Ash being in a coma or everyone in Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy all being dead and in Purgatory
>>742676905Tell me how to get them to stop living rent free inside my brain first.
>>742676914Yeah, I believe he still browses and posts anonymously. But he definitely avoids the most /pol/-heavy threads for his own mental well-being.
>>742676817Nope. The only character who ACTUALLY breaks the fourth wall for real is Chara, and that's only at the end of Genocide.Every "meta" break in Undertale otherwise is diegetic to its worldbuilding and doesn't strictly hinge on it being a literal game world. Your Flowey example isn't him talking to you, it's him talking to Chara, because he recognizes her determination is still there after being exposed to it during the "Save Someone Else" sequence (because Frisk was reaching out to save Chara, finally showing Asriel that Chara is still dead), and he knows she's still capable of performing a True Reset, knows his best friend well enough to worry about what she may or may not do.
Chapter 4 should have been chapter 5
>>742676914>Toby changes the story to fuck with me in particular
>>742677015>her
>>742676870Kris thinks you taking over him and taking Noelle to the lake is a better ending than putting his heart on the cage and suiciding while turning gray.If the weird route was simply so bad, he has many options to deny us of our pleasure.
>>742676785>Chapter 4 morning? Scarfing down pancakes and getting excited for the day. >Why was that okay but ch5 isn't? The writing is done the same way.putting a front to not worry toriel
>>742676870Damn I didn't notice he had tears on his bed.
>>742675420It's more likely than you think.
>>742676608I wish it weren't the case but this slop sounds better than every vocal cover I've been able to find on youtube
How much whimsy and funny do you think they'll be able to cram inside Chapter 6 compared to the amount of plot and angst it needs to display?
>>742676725He clearly checks this place, at least after releasing a new chapter.
I can never read someone use "her" for Chara without it feeling sexual and knowing they beat off to CharaI can never read someone use "he" for Kris on /v/ without knowing they self insert into Kris
>>742677047Yes, her. Toby really hammered it in that Chara's basically a girl during the 10th anniversary stream with how he talked about her and clarified on the dynamic she shared with Asriel.
>>742676693Throughout the game, they make a big deal how just because these characters are inanimate objects in the light world, that doesn't mean they're not real. The dialogue you get if you decide to ride with Susie on the Ferris wheel where she talks about how all the darkners including Ralsei are real to herThe game's ending may go through that on a larger scale, where just because it was all simulation, it doesn't mean what you felt for these characters isn't real.>>742676754Not really, it's different for Deltarune's case. We know it had actual consequences and stakes in the real world (in Undertale) if that's what caused Gaster to get shattered and that's how Sans came to Undertale.
>>742677157>her
>>742676973it's kind of weird how the 2000s were full of those weirdly edgy yet reductive kind of theories
>>742677153I beat off to Frisk, Chara and Kris.
>>742676131This could be true in Undertale as well. The history of the six previous human souls have striking similarities to the flowers in Deltarune. The whole history was faked there too
>>742676973what did shit like this add to itwe already know it's fantasywhat does making it in-world fantasy do
Kris deserves it for summoning an eldritch god many metaphysical layers above him (me) to his world
>>742676987MERCHANDISE
>>742677173>The game's ending may go through that on a larger scale, where just because it was all simulation, it doesn't mean what you felt for these characters isn't real.Do you not understand that this sucks assThis is what a 5th grader thinks is deep Everyone already knows you can feel real emotions from storiesTHAT'S WHY THEY CONSUME MEDIA LIKE DELTARUNE
>>742677139I'm sure it'll still have some humor, but it'll do it no harm to amp up the drama after Chapter 5 anyway.
>>742677215Based humanfucker.
>>742676785>The writing is done the same way.Susie is pretty bunker-minded throughout the start of Chapter 4, far more than she was in Chapter 5>I'm only going to church because it's near the bunker>Let's go to Noelle's to look for clues about the bunker>Let's go tell Ralsei about our plan to get into the bunkerIn Chapter 5 getting back to Noelle's is an afterthought, which is why no attempt is actually made to go there
>>742677112It isn’t tears, it simply disappears when Kris gets up.Its the shading caused by his shoulder bending the bed.>inb4 why is it blueBecause Temmie is an artist and knows that you should use colored dark colors for shadows instead of pure gray. Also the fact that the bed is completely clean after you get up if you still didnt get it.
>>742677215This is me but include all female monsters too.
>>742677015I think Flowey at the very end is actually talking to (you) and calls you Chara sarcastly because if you reset then he is back to think you are Chara
>>742676784I don't think this is true, the original censorship being changed to a random pixel in seeming panic seems like something a random dev did, he wouldn't have been so sloppy or hasty imo
>>742677153>I can never read someone use "he" for Kris on /v/ without knowing they self insert into KrisAre you retarded? Kris dresses like a boy, acts like a boy, and looks like a boy.
>>742677139big ralsei....
>>742677262le metafic
>>742676094The Diner!
>>742677196A vast majority of them were written by 12 year olds who thought St. Elsewhere's ending was the biggest mindfuck of all time when they saw it on Youtube.
>>742676817>Undertale broke the 4th wall constantly and ultimately ended with Flowey/Asriel begging you to stop playing the video game and let the characters in it have their happy endingBig Guy, the only reason that scene would work at all on any sort of emotional level is because Flowey is speaking directly to (You) and (You) have genuinely interfaced with the characters and story of Undertale, because on some level, it actually does matter to you. If you go ahead and say "oh it's all a fake and gay video game simulation LOL" WITHIN the game, it completely destroys any sort of meaning or value the characters or experience could have offered you, and goes against everything Undertale worked towards
>Chapter 6 so far away no one is making prediction posts
>>742677417the game also came out only a couple of weeks ago and the only real thing it did was shoot down most theories while reinforcing device theory
>>742676725Probably? Plus he must get good laughs at the threads that are made since you won't find someone immediately making it about gender or their proship instead of actually speaking about the game without getting lynched by the retards who police the fun out of it. He's a chaotic person and last time he tried to be funny he got called a racist by the latin community and probably now avoids talking his personal opinions again to avoid a Gooseworx situation.
>>742677153Kris and Asriel's relationship is pretty clearly based and Toby's relationship with his brothers. If you've ever had a female sibling it doesn't hit like Kris and Asriel's relationship
>>742677417do we even have enough new info to make up new predictions?
I honestly don't understand how people arrive at the conclusion "this video game would be pointless if it was all just a video game"
You'll help Kris bring his shattered dreams back to life, right?
>>742677375>If you go ahead and say "oh it's all a fake and gay video game simulation LOL" WITHIN the gameIf it's that dismissive about it then it would devalue it, but for the world to be artificial within the context of the game doesn't diminish the world in itself. It all depends on how it's framed, and Deltarune already effectively frames artificial worlds as mattering with Dark Worlds anyway.
>>742671496I don't really get most of these lyrics, half of them seem to just have been written specifically so there would be something to rhyme for the actual word they want to say next like "yes we plunder root beer and of course we plunder ale" doesn't make any sense as a deltarune reference beyond wanting to shove the word undertale in there. what is "value the fun" supposed to even mean
>>742677341>Are you retarded? Kris [Susie out of nowhere]
>>742677196Its all dA stuff. Do you miss sparkledogs or emos yet?
>>742677417Holiday house, hence no weird route. Although things will still get very weird and we will have the serious time people want
>>742677497device theory was pretty obvious since the survey program days, I don't get why people needed a 11 hour video to get that
>>742677545It's referencing Undertale's fun values, which are closely tied to Gaster.
>>742677531Nope
>>742677417it's the hospital
>>742677354the boys!
>>742677034Of course I doNobody will ever believe you
>>742677356I had an argument on a school assignment with someone because they wanted to all a dream it and I kept trying to say that was stupid but at the time struggled to explain why.It is just redundant ffs. Toby made a 'spirit world toy story' lol
>>742677516people like to believe their fictional worlds could exist on their own like they were real places, them being explicitly stated to be a game shatters that illusion that they could exist, or that there could be more just beyond the screen
>>742677602
>>742677502>>742677341It's that they don't call Kris "they" which how Kris is called, not that Kris is more masculine than feminine coded
>>742677417I mean, I dunno, the Dark World is going to be in the Holiday Manor, there will be a lot of conflict between the characters and shit is gonna go bad pretty quickly? Oh, and DEVICE theory is basically confirmed.That's about the best we can do. I think with Chapter 5 we are even less certain of who the Knight could be than before, and some people think Ralsei is a tree now
>>742677417There's nothing to discuss, no clues to guess where the story is going.
>>742677113>Do you not understand that this sucks assno, enlighten me
>>742677668Ralsei is IN THE PIPES
>>742677645My King!
>>742677497DEVICE has always been more of a sound interpretation of the story than a theory.
>>742677687whoops, meant for >>742677262
>>742677557Honestly, Susie is so butch and unfeminine that I never found her attractive, give her they/them pronouns and nobody would call Barney over here a girl
>>742677572people are vehemently against the idea of gaster existing in any form. i know someone who as recently as chapter 4's release was insistent on gaster being cut content and completely irrelevant.
>>742677531Yes. I will find a way.
>>742677531Yes
>>742677532The biggest distinction is the world of Undertale never once actually portrayed itself as just being a video game. Also, there's been implications that the Dark Worlds are actually more than just make-believe within the story
>>742677153>I can never read someone use "he" for Kris on /v/ without knowing they self insert into KrisYeah, that's right. I'm me, the person playing the character.
>>742677516>I honestly don't understand how people arrive at the conclusion "this video game would be pointless if it was all just a video game"Because there's literally zero stakes
>>742677531>You can run away forever with noelle>Or get this cool shadow crystal swordWhat did toby mean by this
>>742677668>with Chapter 5 we are even less certain of who the Knight could be than beforeAsgore's notes placing a black shard at the site of "a Dark World a long time ago" basically eliminated all candidates except Dess or "The Knight is its own bullshit"
>>742675907That scene is for Weird Route. At that point, it's only Noelle playing the game, not (You). And she shatters it.
>>742677775Translate it, korean weebs
>>742677624'It's all a dream' is cheap if done for no reason, but it's not as though it's a fundamentally flawed idea that can never work. Mulholland Drive has an ending that most tend to agree is implying much of the movie is a dream but it works when read through that lens because there's intention to it beyond just tacking it on. I think Deltarune being a dream specifically might not work, but it being an artificial world of a kind wouldn't be some random and pointless twist, it would slot in with the themes of storytelling, escapism and the value objects have to people in general. I don't think it's the only way the story could possibly go, but I don't have a hard time imagining it being done purposefully and in a way that adds to the story given what we currently have.
If the knight is a non character or never before mentioned character, Deltarune is the worst thing that ever happened to me.
>>742677514Now I see why he wanted to release Chapter 5 with 3 and 4. There's nothing to go off here
>>742677545THEY PLUNDER ROOT(s)BEER AND ALE BECAUSE. THEY. ARE. PIRATES!!!!!
>>742677257>the $32 USD LovelyBoy
>>742677591Susie goes from this to gushing about Noelle the next day
so did Susie just straight up vored this darkner?
>>742677901Reminder that ONLY (You) care about who The Knight is, and ONLY Kris cares about obfuscating this fact.It's a total non-mystery, so its identity doesn't matter, just like your choices.
>>742677947Since when is Kris part of the crew?
>>742677341very boyish, yeah
>>742677821It's a fictional story either way. There were never any "stakes," it's not real.You were able to suspend your disbelief and care about it anyway, why does another layer of abstraction bother you?The Mantle Game is a game within a game within a game, were you not entertained by it? Did you not feel anything killing the game Susie and Ralsei?
Reminder that watching/playing Twin Peaks, Umineko, and Evangelion are all prerequisites to fully understanding deltarune.
>>742677516For me, this particular scene has a different meaning when you consider EVERYONE but Susie are holding back and acting.
>>742677901In many ways I think the Knight being a non-character and just being some kind of entity would be more satisfying because I find the idea of it being any Lightner kind of ridiculous, but it probably is just a Lightner in their Dark World outfit considering we know the outfit has a removable helmet and Kris didn't want us to see under it.
>>742677572All those people that shout about media literacy are actually extremely retarded themselves
>>742677516Because then what was the point of it all? Why hide it? "None of this is real btw arent you shocked???" okay, yeah I guess?
>>742678031>because I find the idea of it being any Lightner kind of ridiculousUndyne got kidnapped and Susie chase the knight to the shelter. No Darker could do that
does anyone have noelle's dialogue in the church after alphys spooks everyone it's pretty interesting, iirc she says she's 'supposed to know everything that's going to happen' or something to that effect
>>742674835mouthy mouthy rapey rapey :3
>>742677992If you follow Susie after the trial, Blue helps her pick out an identical flower in the dark world, implying these flowers are somehow not Darkner-able. They're like how the chalk turns into LightCandy. Still an unfeeling item. Objects with a certain level of disposability do not become Darkners. The flower Susie ate would not have become a Darkner. I think there are exceptions, if such an item were treated with love and care it could perhaps become a Darkner.
do we know how many programmers has Toby hired for Deltarune?
>>742677992I do flatout object swallowing when bored so im gigafucked on that front
>>742678016Reading the entirety of Homestuck is also mandatory media consumption in order to truly understand Deltarune.
>>742678013>Did you not feel anything killing the game Susie and Ralsei?Not really, noThe Mantle Game is only interesting in what it implies for foreshadowing, if the game wants to shit on it's setting then that only solidifies Deltarune as being Undertale's inferior
>>742677854Yeah but the main problem with that to me is that it makes no sense in the story for the Dess to have caused her own disappearance, simultaneously being both The Roaring Knight and the Lost Girl at the same time. Like, hello? She's right there guys?I really don't like it, but I'm starting to think it might be time to buy Asriel Knight stocks
>>742678016Umineko went to shit after episode 4 so it checks out
>>742678123>Swallow marbles>Go to dark worldaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>742678075I agree it's a Lightner, I mean I find the idea of The Knight leaving the Dark World and transforming into, let's say Carol, and then just hauling Undyne over to the Shelter in that form somehow ridiculous. I also just find the visual of any character we know of having their head on top of the Knight's body silly. I would like to think it's something that is neither Darkner nor Lightner that can exist as The Knight in both worlds, similar to how the Flowers aren't Darkners or Lightners, but I think it will just be a Lightner.
>>742678105>Objects with a certain level of disposability do not become Darkners.Spamton...
>>742678021AnonEveryone is always ACTing in this game
>Flowery blew away his notesdick
>>742677992oh yeah, didn't she talk about straight up eating a flower and blue basically didn't react?
>>742678105sex toys becoming darkners confirmed lolll
>>742678156>I'm starting to think it might be time to buy Asriel Knight stocksAsriel Knight chads... we're gaining power...
>>742677821You can save and load, there are literally 0 stakes. Oh no at the end of the story your favorite character dies!! Just load the game and they’re alive, then stop playing.Its just a videogame, it’ll never have real stakes. Doesn’t mean that for the characters there isn’t a stake, since they’re all following the story.
>>742678290>A Miniboss in ch 6 is carol's vibratorffs
>>742677802As far as I think they're going with it>There's layers of reality/fiction>Within each layer it's "Real" to the natural inhabitants of that layer>To people above, it's fiction and magical with more interpretation and "magic" than their reality affords>To the people below, people above curate your entire existence based on their perception and are also your creators and those who dictate what you are and what you do before you're given lifeSo it's wrong to say that the "Lower" layers (Dark world to the light world) are "Fake" or make believe, they have realistic impact, and we've seen people influenced and influence outside of it (Gerson's letter to his son, being a big one)And that influence, then returns in how we influence our "Lower" layers, we look at them differently, and change them, as they change us and our perception. It's symbiotic. Our thoughts, hopes, dreams, fears > Their reality and existence > Our growth, understanding, shaping our thoughts, hopes, dreams, fears > Their reality and existenceAnd as we change our perception, we also tackle "real" problems too, so it makes a difference in the "real" world by influencing thought and motivating us.
Why does Alvin implore Kris not to go to the Shelter?Why is Alphys under the impression that whatever is inside the Shelter, would be worse than what was going on outside?Why is the idea of opening the Shelter typically so unthinkable that Asgore hid it inside the flower pot of his very delicate proposal flower, IE extremely inconvenient to access?Knowing these things and have to really put in the hoofwork to find all three codes, why did Dess then take Kris inside that place?Is there any other exposition dialog about the shelter from ch4 that I'm missing?
I fucking hate the guest character designers because they don't try to fit DELTARUNE molds so they just stick out like a sore thumb among Toby's and Temmie's incredible designs
My beef with simulation type of writing is that it also just makes any kind of theorycrafting incredibly fucking boring, stuff like Hometown regularly receiving fanmail for Lord of the Hammer until very recently is interesting because it implies that something fucky is happening to the place when it used to be fine and connected to the outside world, if you just make everything from top to bottom a diegetic simulation then you may as well answer every question the same way>Who's The KnightSimulation lmao>What happened that traumatized Kris and Noelle so badlySimulation lmao>What object is Ralsei actually supposed to beSimulation lmaoIt feels antithetical to actual storytelling and the fact that it always has to be canned as a twist and never the starting point feels like it speaks volume
>>742678016Stop trying to trick people into reading Umineko.
>>742675869>>742675497>>742675223This isn't really a good argument.Asriel in Deltarune might as well be an entirely new character since he grew up normally and never became Flowey (the actual antagonist of Undertale)
>>742678368You dont say
>>742678368I think the beetle is fine.
>>742678381Simulation theories are one step above dream and purgatory theories
>>742678368None of these stuck out to me as being certainly guest designs they just told me that Toby is a shameless faggot weeb.
>>742678001Since they got picked up, of course!
>>742678430depends on uselike are spirit realm stories as bad as matrix sims?matrix had it as the premise and back-forthedit's mostly an issue if it's used as some twist thing
>>742678156>Yeah but the main problem with that to me is that it makes no sense in the story for the Dess to have caused her own disappearanceit was an accident when she was messing with dark worlds, or maybe gaster experiments>simultaneously being both The Roaring Knight and the Lost Girl at the same time. Like, hello? She's right there guys?there are people still using literal meaning of words in a toby fox game in 2026, post chapter 5...
>>742676973I know it's ironic to say this in a thread for a game made by Toby Fox but "theories" like those always felt like the absolute peak of "millennial writing" and why people fucking hate said writing
>>742678430I'd say it's actually a step below. As shitty as dream and purgatory theories are, at least they TRY to say that the story is saying something earnest. The different elements tell us about the dreaming character's subconscious, or about the regrets they're working through in death. Simulation theory literally accomplishes nothing. It cannot add ANYTHING. It does not change any of the characters.
>>742678397Then why not make a new character if Deltarune Asriel has almost nothing to do with Undertale Asriel?Remember one of the main characters of this game is already Asriel But Not Really. Think too of this choice aesthetics-wise.
>>742677875Noelle yells "Say it! Tell me!!"
>>742678225
>>742678368still upset we missed on the sexo mantis
>>742678365Guyz
>>742677980And we all know why
>>742678381it's funny because it's basically like trying to answer every question or plot hole with "it's fiction", both the audience and the editors will rightfully shit all over you for it because it's hack writing
>>742678381I don't see how it being an artificial world answers any of those questions. Even if it's an artificial world it's still constructed like one with an actual history with written in answers for why characters are the way they are, even if that history never actually occurred. It wouldn't be in keeping with the world as we see it so far to say 'Kris and Noelle are just like that because the world isn't real and they were just made that way'. It would be in keeping with how it's presented for something like 'Kris and Noelle underwent an incident in which X, Y, Z happened, but said incident didn't actually happen even if the details of it are as good as real to Kris and Noelle'.
>>742678535Okay, so who is the character that is *literally* lost inside of the game's code?
>>742678440It's the same guest artist that did Sweet Cap 'n' Cakes.I think Toby asked him to tone it down a little but it still sticks out, and it bothers me how much it sticks out especially since Temmie and Toby are incredible character designers.I actually make a game out of it, guess what characters were guest designs and then check it out in the credits screen. Chapter 3 was really easy to spot.
>>742678653we don't know
I'm retarded, someone explain to me why the flowers all obsess with being specifically Human™ when Kris is literally the only Human around. Not "Lightners".Especially when it's Asgore they all have gratitude towards and he's obviously not a human.
>>742678653What's your proof that this character is literally lost in the cost? Are voices repeated from Echo Flowers literal copies of the speakers, trapped in the roots?
>>742678381A lot of people gloss over the >Internet outageThat is brought up multiple times by multiple characters, in the light and dark worlds.The broadcasts are all reruns, the internet is out, the roads are out. Hometown's been cut off from the rest of the world for a little bit now, but it wasn't always.While a lot of people think that points to it being a simulation, I think that's the wrong message, or idea, and instead that it's showing the "Levels" of real, of course Deltarune is a game to us, but, to the lightners, it's a real and lived in world, with the darkners being the "limited" world they shape with their minds, and to the darkners, it's real to them as they fit into their roles. However the darkners are also aware of the light world, but when they "Really" start thinking about the light world, they go crazy, and when Noelle thought "Above" the light world, she went crazy.At the point in time we observe Deltarune and the light world, it's an isolated area with a defined boundary. It wasn't always, but now that we're looking at it, it "has" to be, and it was "prepared" to be. There's no more outside, as they're suspended in a time and a place for us to interact with as we perceive it, just as the dark worlds are much larger than we perceive it, but as far as we're concerned, we see "all" there is to see.
>>742678156>it makes no sense in the story for the Dess to have caused her own disappearanceThe presence of the black shard doesn't mean "Dess, who is The Knight, kidnapped herself," but it does make a direct connection between The Knight and Dess. Dess Knight already widely assumed that she was somehow transformed into The Knight, and this is potential evidence of that at the scene.Chapter 5 also introduced the idea that Dess might have "left" more or less willingly, rather than being taken or disappeared. It's entirely possible that The Knight does not want to be "found" or "saved."It should also be kept in mind that "the story" of Dess's disappearance has not actually been established, there's just a broad consensus interpretation by the fans of the hints that we've been given. In terms of fact, we don't know if The Incident that Asgore is talking about has anything to do with Dess. Strictly speaking, we don't even know that Dess is "missing."
>>742678660El Nina and La Nino are really good designs
>>742678653noelle post weird route
>>742678694They're replacing Kris's place as Asgore's child.
>>742678360>And as we change our perception, we also tackle "real" problems too, so it makes a difference in the "real" world by influencing thought and motivating us.This is literally the main point of every single dark world story btw. Every dark world is basically just therapy for the lighters involved, and some character growth is the undercurrent of the every dark world plot. In chapter 1 it was Susie learning to care for others, in chapter 2 it was about Noelle coming to terms with an overbearing mother figure and recognizing her own independence, in chapter 3 it was... uh... funny tv man...., in chapter 4 it was Alvin making peace with the expectations of his father, in chapter 5 it was Asgore learning to stop holding onto the past. In a way all of them were just using fiction as a way to deal with trauma.
>>742678653Asriel. He left town and then the town was isolated from the rest of the world, so he was "Outside" of the code when the game was made, leaving him in the dark. The world was built without him in it, despite being a full character, mentioned, known, talked about, with his own myth and lore, yet, he does not exist within the right place. He's left out. Existing, outside his possible existence.
>>742678790Asgore has more than one kid though. Why did no one try to emulate Asriel?
>>742678620>Kris mad about noelle being called a smelly lesbian>Soul mad because they want susie kek
>>742678749Yeah anon, I agree. That's not my argument, my argument is that they don't try to fit DELTARUNE's established aesthetic so the guest designs just stick out. Kanotynes is the exception, those are incredible designs that perfectly fit Toby's and Temmie's own aesthetics.
>>742678694Asgore love anime. The flowers thought if they turn into humans, then Asgore might accept them easier. The Flowers mention that they watch Asgore everyday and saw the amount of pain and loneliness he suffer for years. Its no mistake that he has a Mew Mew Doll on top of this. Its the reason why the Flower Kingdom is so anime-like.
>>742678694Because Asgore loves human media, specifically westerns, animes, and Kris
>>742678381How does "simulation" explain away any of those things? What are you talking about?If the Light World isn't "real" that doesn't mean it doesn't still have its own history and rules. It still matters. Just like Dark Worlds have their own histories and internal consistency and they all still matter."It's not real" doesn't mean "you can just make up whatever you want and none of it matters," it means it's a fucking story like it always has been.
>>742676205since chapter 1 and our connection to the world begun, the world became a simulation and every single npc became victim of the prophecy
>>742678875>Asgore love anime.He's literally me, I...thank you Toby
>>742678849>>742678694Kris tried to be a monster so the flowers are trying to be human because Kris made the dark world. I think this is most explicit with Orange. She even mentions that of course humans have "headwear", and while that is used as a joke at Ralsei's expense about his hat, it's clearly also alluding to Kris wearing the headband.
Did flowery scramble asgore's notes or was it the image friendis that why they're red
simulationweenies are like knightkriskeksonce they're wrong they'll vanish without a trace because they were always unserious
>>742678653Steven After Not Surviving
>>742678961Also, Susie is literally a parallel to the fact that you, the player, are meant to care about this "not real" world. She literally grows so compassionate towards Darkners that when she tosses Noelle's phone at the lake in Ch5, she personifies it by worrying about if she "hurt" it instead of worrying she broke it.
>>742678558Because Kris is Toriel and Asgore's child, and making their sibling a completely new character just for the sake of being new is retarded.And Deltarune already broke the "characters from Undertale only playing a minor role in the story" trend by having Gerson play a major role in chapter 4.
>>742679012Dark worlds are like dreams
>>742679014this is how the vessel vs kris fight will go
>>742678653The "UNUSED" text is still Dess."*literally* lost in the code" is fanfiction. We have no context for these lines whatsoever.
>>742678802>In a way all of them were just using fiction as a way to deal with trauma.And beyond just Trauma, I think it's the point of the game, our relationship to media, in both directions. How media changes because of us, how we change because of media.3 was Nostalgia, Kris looking at the "Old days when the families would gather around the TV on holidays, play games together, sneak in music videos Toriel didn't like" etc. It's nostalgia and longing for a past without the troubles. When the whole family was together. The biggest interloper is the egg man, his eggs persist in the dark and the light, which I think hints at there being "More" than just it being about sheer media and how we relate to it, but, it fantastically plays with the idea of reality/fiction and traveling between them, and I think Gerson basically goes "YOU are the author, you don't have to be at the whim of others writing stories, especially ones you don't like." and in Deltarune's cas,e that's basically going full CHIM.
>>742678961>it means it's a fucking story like it always has been.If its a sim there is no logic because you can rewrite nature and all parameters at any time by definition of being a simulation. Logic and nature are whatever you program.
>>742679101everything is like dreams dipshityou cease being on death and you wont remember ever existing
>>742679012i think there's an implication seth did it on kris' orders
>>742679080To be fair he played a minor role in Undertale, he was just a shopkeeper. No character so far has played a major role in both games.I don't know man, I just think Asriel is a lame pick, looks like you think otherwise and that's that
>>742679183kris fuckery yet again it's always fuckin kris I swear
I think... I hate you, /v/.
>>742674696I really hope that Chapter 6 does something as sobering as this scene for Rudy's illness/death.
>>742679012>* Here, if I can just compare it... to my old notes!>* !!?>* I, I can't read them! The words are...>* The words are... mixed up!!>* I heard something in between. Something in between.>* It was mixed up.>Lost the forest would where grow, the tail. followed the children pointed>* The poor children!
>>742679139it could still be asriel or even noelle
>>742679165>If its a sim there is no logic because you can rewrite nature and all parameters at any time by definition of being a simulationAnd how is that different than any story?
>>742679245>*Torch his face with a flamethrower*
I wouldn't even like this game if it wasn't about furries, which is so pathetic.
>>742679369Yeah that'd be like, Omori or something
>>742679201>I don't know man, I just think Asriel is a lame pick, looks like you think otherwise and that's thatThat's fine. What I have a problem with is the claim that it's a bad narrative choice in the context of Deltarune, especially since your argument hinges on what happens in Undertale's narrative and not what's happening in Deltarune's narrative.
Honest question though: how fuck would the reveal be if its all a sim? Would it be worse than what happen with The Amazing Digital Circus?
>>742679452Is it the roaring knight if the roaring knight existed for quite a while longer?Like even predating the disappearance of dess which is a huge blow to 'opening dark worlds to find dess in one of them' type of deals... the roaring knight never has been shown searching for something as is.
>>742679509Revealed?
>>742679452It hinges on what happened in Undertale because the only reason I'd bother with Asriel's importance is because he was so important for Undertale. I just don't want to see him be the main guy twice.
>>742679509>how fuck would the reveal be if its all a sim?
>>742679509Worse? That's difficult because digital circus is already dogshit. I seriously don't understand retarded zoomers obsession with "IT WAS ALL A GAME". Even when they get raped with shit endings like Digital Circus, they STILL double down and want more of the same garbage. Grown the fuck up already retards.
>>742679509It feels like a twist for the sake of pleasing schizo theorists. Everyone else would be underwhelmed
>A simulated man magically became real
>>742679509There was a pretty big hint with TADC being called "digital" right? I didn't even watch that show but it's not surprising to me they're in a computer lol. And I can tell you however way TADC actually "ends" that was not at all the main thing people outside the fandom were hearing about. I promise you 100% of the noise was about trans Jax. Similarly, if Ralsei came out as trans the thermonuclear fallout of hate and anger would dwarf any "simulation theory" shit and could only be overshadowed by a lengthy in person Gaster appearance.
>>742679546The pattern is kris opening a dark world and trying to keep it going long enough for the knight to grab someone and go. Ch 4 was different but this applies to ch 3 and 5 pretty well. They also will make a titan spawn if they feel a need to so that means they have a more ambitious plan than simply make the titans roar.
>>742679509Pretty sure it was already revealed back when SURVEY PROGRAM dropped. Like, that's really fucking overt.
>>742679634I don't know how to tell you this, but Undertale is also a video game
>>742679674SURVEY PROGRAM doesn't suggest you're viewing a simulation though, it suggests you're connection to a living world and literally "surveying" it. The program can interact with the reality but the reality is not solely within the scope of the program.
>>742679674In my head it's like we pilot the red soul?Interface for the soul doesnt necessitate a true simulation gaster has full control of.
>>742679509Not even gonna lie, I think the main reason you see people here push for a vapid simulation ending is because they want to shitpost in the fallout
You're missing the point, it's a simulation with real people trapped within, and by people I mean Noelle.(You) are here to save her, this is a Soulelle story.
>>742679684no he's making a fnaf jokethe same thing happened in fnaf
>>742679684Deltarune can never be better than Undertale because Undertale is so fucking succinct and well paced and perfect. It's interesting and surprising and subversive and playful but without being convoluted, overwrought, or overlong.
>>742679638even before goose stoked the flames by confirming rabbit man was a tranny, people were already pissed off due to how shitty of a finale ep8 was.
>>742679735It's like being a drone operator but the drone is your soul.
>>742679684>I don't know how to tell you this, but Undertale is also a video gameWe already know that
>The Final battle is always a three way between Susie, Noelle, and Kris (Ralsei will keep one of them busy while the other two duke it out)>The route determines who you plays as>There's only 1 ending because the final winner is always the same due to cutscene haki
>>742679638Unlike Jax, there is no way Deltarune's ending can be literally all about Ralsei becoming the main character so we're fine.
If only there were some evidence that Deltarune was (actively still being) created by Gaster
>>742679509Deltarune already established that there's layers of "Real", layers above are more real, layers below are less real, but they directly influence each other. Trying to boil it down to simply "It's a simulation" is an awful angle to take it, and loses all the nuance it's building up.TADC gave a fair amount of hints towards it, but I honestly think Goose spoiling it did more to sour people on it than TADC did. Answering questions like "What do you want people to take away from this" with basically "BRAINSCANS LIVING IDLY CAN BE COOL TOO!" gave away the whole reveal a year before the actual reveal. It pulled the rug out of the mystery and intrigue, and the main "Point" was already done in Episode 6 where Zooble and Gangle sat down and went "Everything that happens in here is still real to us, it's our existence and we think therefore we am, as we share, grow, love, and experience our existence together" which made the rest of the series redundant and repeat itself.It'd be like if Deltarune just looked at the players and went "Media is good, and escapism can help us understand our feelings and motivate us, but getting lost in nostalgia is bad as you become captive to your own past, or detached from reality." in chapter 3, and then in Chapter 7 it just repeats that sentiment as if it's a groundbreaking revelation and a way to close out the game, and not something already done better in the very same series.
>>742679815When you write posts like this, what are emotion are you trying to provoke?Like, do you recognize this is boring dogshit that's been said a thousand times? Or do you believe you're being clever or original?
>>742679782What the fuck is even happening with FNAF nowadays...
>>742679797ep9 you mean?ep8 was pretty good
>>742679850>Poor independent Fragmented interdimensional god dev please understand
>>742679634The more interesting implication is that Entry #17 is Gaster talking to Kris and Noelle, which would mean that the "simulation" is more akin to Matrix/Groundhog Day type of shit, not a sweeping "none of this matters lol" kind of twist
>>742678802>Bully NoelleHGNNNNNNNNN FUUUUUUCKKKK
>>742679850This will forever be the greatest cliffhanger of all time idgafThe amount of fucking aura for a character to have to just speak to you and it be the most exciting thing ever.
>>742679674The fact Kris fights us kinda disproves it being just "fake", it implies that it's a "real" world we're taking a look at, paralleled by their dark world.
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>>742679870yeah, that was just a typo. my bad
>>742679786I think Undertale is actually very clunky and awkward about trying to tread the line between "this is a video game" outright meta stuff and just alluding to itEspecially the part of True Pacifist where "you try to reach your SAVE file" and Toby says "suddenly" like three times in four linesIt has to spend a lot of time building up the goodwill and sincerity to deliver on those moments which would completely take you out of the experience of a lesser game
>>742677153i use "he" for kris because i beat off to kris
>>742679938https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ03-aaO4sA
>>742679684even though UT is also a game and uses actual game terminology, it never gave the impression the world was just a tiny chunk, toby even said in the stream the undertale is bigger than what shows in gamethe issue with deltarune being a gaster simulation is that it limits the scope in the game itself, so it is less open to interpretation
You people are fucking stupid. You are no better at coming up with theories that ACTUALLY SERVE THE CONTENT OF THE GAME than any website you claim to hate. You are as bad as any Redditor just in a different direction. All you people fucking care about is "hype moments and aura". You criticize any perceived flaw or inconsistency in character writing in the game yet you cannot for the fucking life of you actually think about something that serves the existing characterizations and ongoing arcs in the game. All that matters to you is being "surprised" in a stupid grandiose way.
>>742679992It's better than the Halloween Hack that tried the same story, but, I do agree that when it started to get Meta, it just beats you across the head about it.
>>742679938I wonder if they will keep that monologue in the final release.
>>742679934there are some swap AUs that do that and they are cool (except when they keep suselle)
I think some people just struggle to accept universes that have wackier metaphysics and always chalk it up to being simulated dream purgatory drugs
Remember Gaster:No het means no DET!>>742679992Execution Points lolMusic carried UTDR so hard manSo hearing the music isnt as good is kinda really bad for the project.
>>742680068Not hard enough apparently, you'll still get jumped on for suggesting that Chara is representative of the player
>>742680113it's just spirit realms wrapped in pixelslop gametalk paint lol
>>742669130Please include "deltarune" somewhere in the OP of your general thread next time.
>>742680139idk man, I don't remember forcing Asriel into what basically was a suicide pact.
>>742680187theyre not spirit realms retard
>>742680236I do
>>742680043That's part of why I think it's interesting. Toby greatly values the idea of fiction sparking the imagination and making a world and its characters feel real.So how would he examine a world that is truly limited by its creator? Where there really is nothing but what has been made available to you? Where your only freedom is to follow the path that the game has set for you?After all, isn't that what all games really are?
>>742680295people don't like being reminded of that though
>>742680084Don';t see why they wouldn't. The 'releasing in 2025' stuff obviously won't be there but the Gaster comment still makes sense with the whole game available to you seeing as it's still not finished by you.
>>742680043>the issue with deltarune being a gaster simulation is that it limits the scope in the game itself, so it is less open to interpretationI think it's also the fact that it just doesn't even make sense conceptually, why would the G-Man summon us here to make a better future if it's just a simulation? Dude just edit the 0's and 1's yourself, isn't it your shit?
>>742679859Its obvious but I take it that its hated more since it became about Jax being an asshole and Jax being a "trans" after people shit on it being a Jax centric episode
>>742680439Every programmer needs his rubber ducky.
>>742675057This framing actually makes me feel really sorry for Susie, like everything was revolving around her and she was having a good time and both light world friends she's made just ends up straight disappearing. I'm invested in the WR all the way but I really hope they show how Susie ends up in the aftermath all by herself, it's just tragic all the way around.
>>742680475That's personally what took the wind out of the sails for me. Didn't like Jax, and Jax being "trans" really fucked up any and all discussion afterwards. I simply dropped talking about it anywhere because that utterly hijacked any discussion.Group I talk to about stuff like TADC/Deltarune just became nothing but "trans Jax" and "I'm literally Jax and I also want to die especially when anyone challenges me on anything" and it just really became impossible to discuss anything else. Chapter 5 has brushed against that kind of discussion just enough it's making me dread talking about it outside this place. I hate the IdPol shit. I don't mind the homosexual stuff but as soon as it pivots into pronouns and trans this and nonbinary that, I swear the discourse takes an absolute nosedive and it feels like walking on eggshells so you don't step on a landmine, utterly distracting to the greater story.
>MY KING
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>>742677173It's only a simulation to us, doesn't mean that the events that take place didn't involve real people with real feelings. It doesn't have to be "fake touys" bs, acknowledging our role doesn't mean the world within our view wouldn't be considered "real".
>>742679967nice ass
