Game developer here. I make short story games and puzzle games. The refund rates on some of my games are approaching 40%.Forty.Percent. My games only go for a couple of bucks each, yet my customers will still penny-pinch by asking for a refund after experiencing the full game.The Steam ToS clearly states that refunding games is not a way to play games for free.You are killing video games.
Make better games no jus asset flips that last less than 2 hours. Simple as
The customer is always right. Make a better game if you want better cash.
>>742703154steam isthe reason pc gaming is so shitstop using shit platformsbut I pirate games if you put them on steam so don't worry, you didn't lose money from me refunding it since I [pirated it
>less than 2 hours movie than you wouldn't "watch" againStop being indie and send your resume to Sony.
>You are killing games *that aren't worth keepingftfy
>>742703154If the refund rate is 40%, then maybe there is a bigger problem than just the short length of the game. Also what the fuck kind of puzzle game has less than 2 hours of gameplay? I looked at a picross game I bought a while back and I have 55 hours in it. Even Hunie Pop lasted me longer than 12 hours and that's not exactly a big thinking game.
If your game is being refunded for being short then that means it has no replay value. It deserves to be refunded.
>>742703154>Stop. Abusing. Refunds.Yeah, why even bother buying them to begin with.
>3 threads crying about steam's refund policy>some low effort friendslop dev crying on xitterSounds like you need to make better games then if this is the level of quality that you're crying about getting refunded. Even more of a nothingburger than usual
>>742703154doesn't the law require refunds? or is that just a steam thing?
>>742706078Refunds are just easy to get on Steam given that they are automated and based on objective metrics that anyone can measure. On some other platforms they can be a struggle session.
>>742703154You make shit that should be uploaded on newgrounds. Fuck you nigger
>>742706078The law require the consumer to have the option. Steam does not give you a long nigger-text to accept where you waive the right to refund, like Epic Games and others do.
>>742703154Make games that last longer than 2 hours?
>>742703154Hey Timmy. How many more threads you and your goons will make about this today?
>>742703154maybe you should make better games lmao
>>742703154Don't steam refunds require you to have only played 2 hours or less?If your game is less than 2 hours long then yeah no shit it should get refunded.
>>742703338>The customer is always rightIn matters of taste*The saying started as a way to tell your sales staff not to question customers dropping stacks of cash on what looks like garbage. Who cares if they have no taste? They have money.
Doesn't Steam temporarily stop you from being granted refunds if you refund a bunch of games within a very short timeframe? I remember back during the winter sale last year I refunded like 5 games within a few days and I got a warning email saying that I was refunding more than average in a short period and mentioned that they may be paused for a duration if I continue to refund shit.
>>742703328note how the "OP" hasn't replied to this.
>>742703154well if only 5 people bought your game and 2 of those refunded the game, you should ask them directly why.either way nobody will refund your gsme just to play it for free. they'll refund it if they dont like it.otherwise people would just pirate it
>>742703154
>>742706078>doesn't the law require refunds? orno it's not. Playstation to this offers no refundsSteam got sued by Australia in 2015 and during that process they went refund worldwide instead of Australia only. i think they also lost the lawsuit but they opened up during the trial
>>742703154As you pointed out, there is a rule against that so it's up to Valve to enforce the rule. You'll probably have better luck getting a company to follow their own rules over trying to influence the opinion of millions of individual consumers.Just a thought. Or maybe you think defunding the police is a good idea.
>>742703154have you tried actually making games instead of paid demos you retarded thingit should be 100% refund rate because fuck you
>>742703154This is why AAA studios make games that are 12 hour movies. Can't refund, 2 hours in you're hooked on the story that will surely have an amazing resolution (it won't)
>>742703154Make games that last at least 3-4 hours then, problem solved.
if people are finishing your game in less than 2 hours and refundingyour game is shitno one have a problem keeping arcade games and shmups in their libraryget fucked retard
>>742703154what ? i'm never refunding but if abusing refunds helps in killing video games i'll start doing it right away, thanks
>>742703154>The refund rates on some of my games are approaching 40%.make better games. Eat my ass
>>742710573can we refund the police?
>>742705983>millionswrong. he said 55k 20% has refunded if we assume half bought at full price and half bought at discounted price that averages $4 per sale.Thus this lazy hastily put together project netted this guy at least half a million dollars. Ungrateful shit
>>742703154Link one of your games.If you're hitting 40% refunds, that's a sign you have a problem, not that the platform or users have a problem.
>>742703154>>You are killing video games.Awesome. Crash this motherfucking industry already.
>>742712173yeah the "millions" thing was either sarcasm or they're legitimately wrong, that was just the top review on steam that showcased why people were refunding (short and low quality etc). but I do appreciate you mentioning this for clarity
If you can get to a point in a game where you can go longer glean any further enjoyment out of it, within the refund period, then that's not abuse of the system, I'd argue that's the most sensible intended use of it.
>>742707528YOU ARE KILLING GAMES CHUD
>>742712173>someone just copy and pasted my workkek
This is obvious bait but it's crazy that you can extract 100 bucks with a flash game. It's like free 100 bucks.
>>742703154They do know it's a legal thing and not a steam thing, right? 2 hours is the legal minimum steam could get away with.
>>742703154>Game developer here.im a game dev too and i actively encourage people to pirate games i worked on. id rather they play it at all. buying is best outcome, playing at all is better than not at all. provide a demo, or dont be asshurt if they refund it constantly because it might just suck ass.
>>742706997You can get refunds past the two hours in certain circumstances. You can (or at least could) refund games that just released out of early access.
OP is a cowardly fag for not showcasing the games that keep getting refunded.
>>742705983>>742712173>person shits out low effort slop and make life-changing amounts of money>still cries about itWhat the fuck bros
>>742715262Retards unironically believe they're going to be the next Notch with their low effort flash game. They should be grateful that shit sells at all.
>>742703154Crybaby fags like yourself and this dev >>742705983 is why I will keep pirating indies. Making a lump sum of a few hundred grand in the span of a couple of weeks and still crying about it baka. Maybe move out of LA or whatever overpriced shithole you live in if you need the money that badly
>LOOK MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN!
my game is around 2 hours and it only has 3% returns.
>>742703425>steam isthe reason pc gaming is so shitName a single thing that Steam has done to harm the medium.
>>742703154Developer here. Maybe stop making dogshit short games that you charge people for. You're clearly money grubbing if you're obsessed enough with the steamworks financials page to notice a handful of people refunding your flash games.
the greed of gamers has always been an odd thing to behold>$15 for a burger you'll eat in 5 minutes>seems like a good deal>$15 for a 2 hour movie>seems like a good deal>$15 for a 40 min album>seems like a good deal>$3 for a 2 hour game>WHAT???
>>742703154i played katana zero and beat it with 20 minutes to spare. i thought about it but i didnt refund it because it was one of the most fun games id played in a whilei doubt id feel the same about this unity blob project
If it takes under two hours to beat your game you shouldn’t be charging money for it. It should be free on itch.
>>742718734I call that a demo or an early build. Games aren't movies. Nobody would go to the theater to watch a 15 minutes long movie. They expect that to be free on youtube. Anyway this dev is a grifter. He makes lots of cheap crap and is already rich.
>>742718185People will pirate whatever digital entertainment that they want, deal with it.You wouldnt download a burger, though.
>>742703154Disable refunds for purchases of less than $5. You wouldn't refund a burger after you consumed it.Fuck off EU and your kike refund laws
>>742719067I do it all time. I puke all over the table and leave.
>>742703154Other game developer here, OP is a fag
>>742719067>kike >refund
>>742719067A burger will satiate my hunger for 6 hours. Money well spent.
Maybe make a better game, faggot.It's called the Epic of Gilgamesh, not the Pamphlet of Gilgamesh.
>>742719067>food metaphoryou lose
>>742703328always a solution to this problem. make a game where by hour 2 i'm excited for the sort of shit i'll be seeing in hour 5. boom bada benis, you are down to 5% refund rate
Can you report users that did this since they reveal they did this in reviews openly
>>742719067this makes sense to me. Forces devs to price their shitty short games less than 5 dollars. Both parties know what they're getting into.
>>742703154If your shitty games have a 40% refund rate, odds are there's an issue with your games quality, not the consumer. Publish your shit on another platform that doesn't allow refunds if it's a problem. I've bought many indie games for cheap which promised quality, but ended up being unoptimized, misleading in marketing, or generally not fun to play, and I don't feel bad refunding those. At the same time, I've bought plenty of indies which were short and sweet, but the experience was high quality, well optimized, and actually fun to play so I didn't refund it.
I see now, to market your game all you have to do is be a whiny faggot online and then people will gossip about you and then more people see your game
Your garbage game sold 300k copies at $3 (and will probably sell more because of the articles) you're probably or nearly a millionaire stop bitching on twitter and go enjoy your life and be grateful, faggot ass entitled dev
>>742718185>$15 for a burger you'll eat in 5 minutesShite but I need to eat and I am not at home? Fine>$15 for a 2 hour movieAweful and why I haven't seen a movie in theaters in over a decade>$15 for a 40 min album>>>>>>Buying music>$3 for a 2 hour gameGames shit it's getting refunded. Simple as
>>742719067>A burger you are willing to spend is comparable to a shitty browser shovelware tier game I vibe coded saarsI wish your green card gets revoked and you get forcefully deported back to India.
>>742719579>Your garbage game sold 300k copies at $3Why you just making things up lmao
>>742719067A tasty burger gives you as much dopamine in 10 minutes as you get from an 60 hour game.
>>742704618pretty sure i played ching chong solitaire in shenzhen i/o for 3 hours
>>742703154stop making slop games nobody wants to play, make longer games: if you want someone to keep your game, consider having value to it per hour by players of said game. gamers generally want a game that lasts between 10-40 hours.
Good games don't get refunded. Simple as.
>>742719646I haven't bought an album in a while because shipping and all that is expensive, besides I mostly listen to independent records these days or bands that have no market appeal anyway, unironically my tastes haven't changed that much from when I was 16 when it comes to music I listen to because the alternative is trash modern output that sounds like garbage without merit.
>>742703154I’m starting a new Steam curator page called “Entitled Devs - AVOID”. Complain about your customers? You’re on the list. Advocate for practices that are not consumer friendly, like limiting the refund period for shorter games? You’re on the list. Complain about the list? Fuck you, you’re on the list too.
>>742718185i've thought about this and it is certainly true. However, there is also truth in the fact that gaming was (totally) hijacked at around 2014 when the big corporations started buying up all the top AAA devs and video games were then designated to be used as vehicles for social engineering rather than just great video games. The whole industry was hijacked by people that do not even play games, and the spite from that, in addition to the inflammatory grifters profiting off of blowing up even the smallest sign of it, has created an extremely toxic consumer base.
>>742720079based.
>>742719865Ok I'll add open world, more cutscenes, slower movement, more fetch quests
>>742720079Are you going to add valve to that list
>Erm... you're just trying to try out games for free!So let me get this straight... I'm just supposed to buy a game I wasn't able to test drive beforehand to tell if it's shit or not (demos don't count, they're such an awful way to gauge whether a game is actually good or not) and if I don't like it, I'm supposed to just... Keep it? If that's the case, then WHY THE FUCK would you include "it's not fun" as a legitimate refund reason?Are you fuckers insane?
>>742718185Everyone pirates music and movies, and I need burgers to live
>>742720295How is beating the entire game just "trying it out"
>>742703154>make game that be beaten in under 2 hours>charge $1.50-3>40% refund rate>make game that can be beaten in 3-5 hours>this doubles the dev cost>increase cost to $3-5, basically doubling your revenue>lower refund rate to 5% or lessproblem solved, and you're making more money than ever.
You wouldn't pirate a house, would you?
>>742718185>$15 for a burger you'll eat in 5 minutesI make my own, so it's more like 15 dollars for a weeks worth of burgers.
>>742719695Play better games.
>>742720502I am currently pirating your house actually. I am in your walls.
>>742703154Steam support is powered by AI these days anyway.Can't put the mobile authenticator on a new phone? Privide us with cd keys and 3rd party purchase receipts from 10 years ago.If someone made a game you can complete in less than 2 hours with no special effort thats their own fault.
>>742703154The only devs that are upset over this are>asset flippers>ai users that make up 99.99% of the gameYou’re crazy for even asking for anything above free. If I take a chance on your game to support you, find it boring, a waste of my time (to try and get pass that 2 hour mark), or falsely advertised, I’m getting my money back. People don’t refund for no reason.
>>742720476lol, lmao. I've never actually done that. I usually just reach a point where I go "yeah, I don't like this" give up and request a refund.I don't bother even trying to finish shitty video games.
>sub two hour gamesSell them on the app store then. Steam isn't the platform for faggots making shovelware.
>>742703154Thank you for reminding me to refund my games.
>>742703154Some form of quality control would prevent this issue. There's simply too much genuine trash available.
>>742703328This wont stops nigs form nigging around btw
>>742720079giga based
>>742720665Ok well the main topic of the thread is beating a game then refunding it, the reviewers who said they refunded said they enjoyed the game too
>>742720307>and I need burgers to liveNot really.You could be buying much cheaper food, the difference between the cheapest viable alternative and a burger is the price you pay for enjoyment, not necessity.
>>742720490wow just work on the game for more years while getting no income and hope by the time it comes out people will buy it!Do you know how much work it takes to even make 1 hour of content
>>742720870>Beating a game then refunding itStop making games shorter than two hours then?
>>742703338The customer is always right about to say something incredibly stupid.
>>742720917>brown hands typed thisBurgers are an essential human need. Subhumans would never understand.
Your game is shit and too short OP. Maybe work on it some more and make it more fun instead of being a bitch?>NOOOOOOO, IT'S SO MUCH WORK!!!Then stop making video games? You're clearly not good at it
>>742721061Dev time isnt linearly proportional to content.Level design is an entirely different skill from actually making the engine, its why games with level editors boost their own longevity when players crave MOAR.
>>742703154What's the game?
>>742721093Try to make a game thats just 1 hour long. It will take you thousands of hours
>>742721061The dev finished his shitty friendslop game in a fucking month. Give me a break with this poor oppressed indie fav bullshit. Make good games or go bankrupt, gamers are tired of your shit
>>742721061You sound bad at your job.
>>742721351No. Because I don't want to and because I've always known being "a game designer" is a horrible waste of time and not a reliable means of making money. :^)
>>742721351>hey Claude, make me a survival game where you need to survive for an hourThere, 15 minutes for a 1 hour game.
>>742721378>Make good games or go bankruptThe irony as he just hates on friendslop despite making tons of moneyYou are advocating for more cheaply made friendslop games and discouraging single player story games by your own logic
>>742721351This dev made his 2 hour long game in a short amount of time though so you are wrong.
>>742703154Show me your games. I might be willing to buy some of them.
>>742721525Well wheres the game?
>>742721351You've never heard of game jams?
>>742719067>kike>refund
>>742704618What's the picross game you played? I've been playing that mobile Konami one and am looking for something different.
>>742721061assuming you're not learning how to make your first game ever, how the fuck does it take a shitload of time to make 1 hour of content? Ever heard of reusing the assets, code, sounds, etc, you already have?
>Ask OP to show me his games >Continually ignores me HMMMMMM....
>>742719067guess i will sell you a burger full of shit and you will eat it and be happy with it
>>742703154Brother the window is 2 fucking hours, add some content. Add some additional levels that take an hour or so, add some more puzzles, if people are actually enjoying the game patch in more shit.I don't think I would refund a cheap game I liked that lasted 2 hours, but at the same time people are clearly going to do it and its up to you to provide more than 2 hours of gameplay. It doesn't need to be 100 hours long, but it can't be too hard to extend it.
>>742720576repeating the same shit for 60 hours doesn't give me more dopamine
>>742721541I'm actually playing through old single player-playable games rather than newer friendslop or any of that nonsense. even old games had 10-20h run time unless they were for literal kids.
>>742721913That's because they're all some variation of RPGmaker dogshit and he knows WHY people aren't keeping them.
>>742703328fpbpif a game is so short you can beat the whole thing in two hours, that's as good a reason as any to decide it's not worth the money
I had this discussion elsewhere but it's really about selling a game worth keeping. Features, replay value, length, these are important factors but whether or not someone wants to keep a game is the end all be all goal.Case in point, what's a game you really like that you beat in under 2 hours? If you could get rid of it for your money back, at no cost to the developer, would you?
>>742703154SHOW US YOUR AVAILABLE CATALOG OF GAMES YOU FUCKING COWARD
>>742722040>even old games had 10-20h run timeYeah cause dozens of people worked on them, indie games are just 1 or a few guys
>>742703154Make your game longer
>>742722018Exactly. Play better games.
>>742703328Most of the best retro games of all time can be beat in under 2 hours you fucking zoomer shitstain. Go play your bloated ubislop
>>742703154Does Steam show what countries refund the most? So we can bully those anons kek
>>742703154>Stop Killing Games biggest rivals were the consumers all along
>>742722546>dozens of people.being this disgusting of a liar, 5 people tops will get you to make a 10-20h game in 4-8 months, holy fuck get the fuck off the cuck chair and start doing proper games instead of slop, learn from Midway, Microprose and fucking Atari, you just suck at game design.
>>742712173>half bought at full price and half bought at discounted price>averages $4 per saleYou conveniently left out that the full price game is $11 by ignoring the $6 in DLC.
>>742724063I have no idea the amount of people who have bought the dlc but I am guessing its barely 10 %
>>742723726>5 people tops will get you to make a 10-20h game in 4-8 monthsShow me this game
>Might consider buying OPs game>Ask OP to show his game >OP won't link his game just bitches and moansI hope it gets worse, you fucking CUNT.
I buy games, and only Steam buys them back.Once there will be 2nd hand market, I will sell the game to other players. Until then, enjoy taking it back.
>>7427246012 people: XCom.
>>742718185$5 for burger. Food is also a necessity so it has different value weightings.>paying for movies>paying for musicNot paying at all for a videogame that short with no replay value. Simple as that. I already own 2 games that I'll easily dump over another 4000h in them before I'll move on. What's the point?
>>742703154if your game can be beaten in 2 hours and doesn't have any reason to ever replay it, it was a shit game.
>>742724881I don't pay for burgers personally exactly because its just cheap junk just like how you don't pay for cheap and shit vidya that lacks in game design principles that makes a great game. I personally buy real food which gives me more money to budget into real games and entertainment as I don't find pleasure in eating. anyone who dose beyond just "yeah its edible", is a fat fuck.
Why won't OP show me his game? I don't think OP is a game developer at all. I think he just got a refund request denied because he's been refunding too many games during the sale and just wanted to BITCH.
>>742725051I enjoy eating. I'm underweight. I'm just not sedentary.
>>742703154>The refund rates on some of my games are approaching 40%.How.... Many games do you make? The fact that you have multiple games means you probably just make slop
Thankfully that's only an issue if you refund like 5+ games a year.I only buy games I know will be good or that I'll enjoy. That said, I DO sometimes get tricked because I'm fallible, I'm human, I'm a retard (I'm on /v/ after all), so I always refund those games.If I fell for a game and it wasn't even 2 hours long, you bet your ass I'm refunding it. I've played flash games that lasted longer than 2 hours, no excuse.
>>742703154Just make sure Indians Russians and chinks aren’t allowed to play, problem disappears.
>>742725236Because your a redditfrog poster
>>742725648>Antipepe to bootGo whine on reddit, cocksucker.
>>742725648>>NOOOOOOO, STOP USING THAT REACTION IMAGE!! THOSE ARE THE ONLY REACTION IMAGES YOU'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO POST, NOOOO!!!
>>742718185>lists 2 examples that are heavily in decline b/c of their perceived quality/value vs inflated pricingI also wouldn't be surprised if albums sales are sliding into the shitter.
>>742703154>buy game>install>run>crack open cheat engine to cheat my way through all the content in about half an hour>release the cheat table to the public and refund the gameyep, bein' a gamer is great
>>742703154Are your games have fun value under 2 hours? They will be refunded
>>742725051>99% of humanity is obese
>>742703154You are more likely a troll than a dev since you are basically teaching people to do that.If you were a dev you would know that if your game isn't even worth replaying, then whoever bought them probably hated them.Don't blame STEAM for giving players a way to starve low-effort scam.If your game take less than 2 hours before you want to forget them, allow me to doubt they were worth a couple of bucks.>>742703425STEAM did a lot of good to the market and you know it.Even today STEAM is the reason indy gaming is flourishing.
>>742726104check america's statistics, checks out.
>>742703154>some of my gamesinstead of making many shorts games and try to make some change can't you make one good game instead?
>>742726206>7.5% to 7.8% of global population >99%
>>742719067>encouraging low-cost slop>encouraging impulse buy ooops no refund>encouraging $4.99 DLC>food analogyI would say you are the scammer here.
>>742703154if your refund rates are approaching 40% that says a lot more about the quality of your game than it does about the people playing them. you know how many games I've refunded after completing them? ONE. and that was because:1. The game implied in the description that it was episodic and had more content when it didn't.2. The game was trying to pretend it was a different game that I was interested in.3. The game was a weird fetish game with no warnings anywhere that was what it was about.
>>742724601Meccha Chameleon was made by 2 dudes, and it can easily be played for 10+ hours
>>742720476By your logic, if a game scam you by promising one hour of gameplay, then put the ending 10 minutes away, you shouldn't be allowed to refund because you "beat the entire game".Game that are too short, or just shit, are legit reason to ask for a refund.
>>742703154Just do what Monster Hunter doesCharacter creator + Palico creator + unskippable cutscenes + multiple tutorial "hunts" which take longer than 2 hours to get through before you even get to the actual gameNo refunds - but your game needs to be good enough to actually get away with itIn other words, get fucked
>>742726997Thats cheaply made friendslop with no story, one round shows you all the content. You want more multiplayer games or single player games
>>742720502Tell that to dumbass who have those smart domotic house with plenty of backdoors.
>>742703154I don't get why people are even wasting their time on an hour long game
>>742703154A great game is replayed indefinitely reguardless of length. A crap game is played once then never touched again. If that crap game is short enough to be refunded that's just a bonus. It's a pretty fool proof policy. Theres loads of classic games that are <2 hours that I own.
>>742727245Call it what you will, it still sold 15m copies in a month and basically crushed every single AAA game of the last decade. Maybe people just want good games?
>>742719067what a retarded take
I wonder how 2-3 hour long porn games fare in terms of refunds.
>>742719067Satiating hunger is a basic necessity. Gaming never has and never will be a basic necessity.
>>742727423How often do you replay puzzle games
>>742727928They have replay value by still giving me a boner.I support smut artists so they can afford to continue drawing my fetish.
>>742728026Makes sense. In regards to porn games do you mean pure visual novel ones or ones with some actual gameplay?
>>742727928Most people don't refund games they liked, even if those games are short
>>742728114Personally I like having a bit of gameplay but sometimes I just want to read something longform for a slower payoff thatll take me a bit to get really into it. Depends on what Im feeling.
>>742703154The refund feature is the best thing about steam.I refuse to use nintendo and sony's digital stores because they don't have refunds.The quality of video games has plummeted since the barrier to entry regarding making them fell.And journalists are all in bed with developers so they don't do their jobs properly and review games correctly (harshly), they are terrified of criticizing their mates who make games because they'll get cut off and lose their free games and their free access to industry events which include all travel and expenses and accomodation paid by the publisher.Make better games and stop having sex with jourbnalists if you don't want people to refund them.
>>742712173>>742705983https://steamcharts.com/app/3570070Not even 400 peak players btw
>>742730121peak player count is irrelevant when the developer gives hard numbers
>>742730227You know you can just lie on the internet, right?
>>742730313yeah but im from the era where it was almost excursively white people with the occasional nip/koreancrazy I know
>>742703154Climb a wall of dicks, retard.
>>742703328If your fucking puzzle game lasts for less than 2 hour on a completely blind playthrough, it's probably not worth what you're asking for it.
>>742703154>Refunding items bought just before a sale and then immediately re buyingBased. I do this on Amazon. If you're up front about it they'll often offer you a bigger discount than the sale just so that they don't need to pay to take it back, restock it and send another out.
>Steam is full of third world and Chinks now>Suddenly, fuck load of scam, account stealing and refund abuse Really make you think
>>742732337refund scam is an issue too.
>>742718185Base in the NES day people used to pay $50 for a 2 hour game and like it because those games were replayable and fun.
>>742732772That's more because they didn't know any better. It's not like people still play NES trash, except for nostalgiafags, snobs, and FOMO zoomers.
That means buying the game and then cracking them. This does not mean I can't refund your shitty 1 hour game.
>>742730668This is supposed to be a normal use case for refunding, if there was a sale within a short time of your purchase, but I got absolutely buttraped by the automated jeetbots because I played the game for 3 hours, the night before there was a 40% sale. If I could slap Doug Walker for that shit, I would.
>>742703154>Short story gamesThere's your problem. If you're making a short story, it should at least be over 2 hours to protect yourself from refunds. Alternatively, make a short game with replay value, like having multiple routes and variations of the same puzzle.Or better yet, make a difficult arcade game. They're typically 30-45 minutes per session with the expectation that players would put several hours in to master the game.
>>742719067If I bought a burger under the pretext that it was something I could enjoy again and again I'd be pretty mad if it disappeared after the first time and would ask for a refund, yes
>>742703154crying because your game is not selling only works for women
>>742736972imagine not having EA blacklisted.
>>742703154Make a good game and I won't refund it. Or make a game that is priced appropriately and I won't refund it. If I pay 20 dollars for an indie and finish it in 30, it is getting refunded every single time.
>>742721061>Do you know how much work it takes to even make 1 hour of contentSounds like a workflow problem anon. Improve the way you work. Adapt or die.
>>742736972I don't think the people boughting C&C are part of her target audience.
>>742703154Holy bait
>>742736972I tried to mute the webm despite it having no sound
>>742710252>Playstation to this offers no refundshttps://www.playstation.com/en-au/support/store/ps-store-refund-request/They do but likely region dependent.
>>742703154Stop releasing games that people don't even want to invest 3 hours into. It's EU law Steam won't do shit. If i can't put at least 5 hours into a game then it wasn't worth it and i probably would have stopped at the first 2 shareware levels anyway.
>>742703328So you want goyslop?
>>742703154stop making dollar store dogshit games retard nigger fuck you
>>742722672I don't pay for 40 year old ROMs either
>>742703154Don't worry I don't even glance at the direction of your "games" and won't play them at all.
>>742742738You are brown
>>742742738Indian hands wrote this
>>742742738SAAR DO NOT SUPPORT THE BENCHOD BRITISHERS INDISTRIE SAAR
>>742722672it's not the 2000's anymore, we expect games to be good these days unc
>>742743341>>742743137>>742743016>consensus is roms and emulation BAD and BROWN nowWhat the fuck went so wrong with this board
>>742743556Only niggers steal
>>742703154If your game is less than 3 hours long then you deserve this shit. GET FUCKED.
>>742744907Post your hand
>>742722672You need to finish Prince of Persia under 60 minutes but it still takes you hours to get to that.
>>742722672Then I'll play a ROM retard. The market is saturated with games now and there is a expectation of at least more than 3 hours of entertainment.
>>742744973post your unreal engine slop so I can post steamcharts of it and laugh.
>>742703154I played that multiplayer VN a while ago with my mate. We finished within 2 hours so I refunded it.
>>742745304Your taste is dogshit
>>742703154>The refund rates on some of my games are approaching 40%.Your games must suck.
>>742740243huh? maybe instead of pasting the form, you should post the policy >https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/playstation-store-cancellation-policy/#games8.5https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/terms-of-service/>https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/store/cancel-ps-store-pre-order/
