>feel like replaying pic rel>remember the first 3-4 hours are a grindfest because early game is complete bullshiti've finished the game like 10 times and i have no fucking idea how you're meant to beat franky without grinding for PK rockinall you do is bash your dick into a brick wall until you get jeff when all difficulty goes out the window because you can actually fight more than one enemy and live without needing to heal every single turnsame shit goes for mother 1, except that's just the entire game is unbalanced bullshit because itoi didn't give a fuckmother 3 shits all over 2 and it's not even close, even 1 is bettergiygas is the only thing that makes this redditslop seem good
>>743144318Never ever ever play any Dragon Quest game if you think any part of EarthBound actually requires grinding.
earthbound threads on /v/ are dogshit and die early because it's too obscure for anyone to give a fuck about the bait and unless it's a "comfy" thread there is literally no reason to post in this over your average meta thread
>>743144318mother 3 is a sappy game made for stupid normgroids
>>743144506i've finished 1 and 11 and don't plan on playing any othersnot because of the grinding since metal slimes exist, but because they're all the same game with the same music
>>743144318Yeah the first part of the game is quite shitty until you get PK Rockin, no way to avoid that.
>>743144318I call bullshit. You don't need PK Rockin, but you do need all the equips from the drugstore
he's a single target, it's not that big of a dealnow the ants? yeah you want a multi target for that obviouslyi usually stop before fixing threed because threed is cooler as a zombie town
>>743145913>>743146094the duality of man
>>743144318>i've finished the game like 10 times and i have no fucking idea how you're meant to beat franky without grinding for PK rockinyou learn a sleep spell at level 4
>>743145138I dunno how you played 1 and 11 and came to that conclusion considering how different they are. just parroting shit in spite of your own lived experience
>>743146094yea fucked him up after buying the bat, still had to grind to 6 thoughthe tank is actually easier>>743146405only two i've finished, i've started 2 through 6 and drop them all after a few hours and it really is all the same shit, even final fantasy is more unique even though half of them are just MUH BIG BAD EMPIRE
>>743144318I'll just leave this here for your conveniencehttps://ebbr.neocities.org/downloads
>>743144792Yeah I was surprised how gay it is compared to Earthbound.
>Only Paula standing against the Diamond Dog>Start using Pray and heal items hoping for the best>"Rainbow colored light shone into the area!">Everyone revives >We beat the Diamond Dog against all oddsI never really understood why people enjoyed Turn-Based RPGs, but I think I get it now.
>>743146607I like earthbound but I think it's combat shines in the ways it's not like a conventional JRPG, and I say that as someone who thinks Dragon Quest cannot be outdone by another rpg
>>743146682rolling health does alot for the game mechanically. eating a big hit and panic slamming out everyone's turns to get the heal out and survive the hit is really satisfying. Also makes the kids feel alot tougher than most RPG characters because they can eat a hit that kills them, but still have enough gas to get out one more desperate attack before flopping over.
>>743144681>earthbound>obscure
>>743146897no such thing as a mainstream cult classic anon
>>743146897Earthbound may be well recognized, but I'm not convinced most of its "fans" have even played it. Rolling health is so fucking cool and I can't think of one instance of that being used in a game that isn't earthbound
>>743144318Never had a problem with Onett but Twoson filling your inventory with a bunch of useless items before peaceful rest valley was some bullshit on my first playthrough
>>743144318I just started my playthrough and it was literally ten minutes of grinding on the street punks and then easily beat frank. had no issues with anything else before getting paula (you dont get jeff second. did you even play the fucking game?)seriously how fucking retarded are you? 3/4 hours? also, mother 3 is shit, literally r*ddit:the game/trannycore.
>>7431443181 > 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3
>>74314733610-20 minutes of grinding is considered the biggest gaming sin to some retardsI did it all the time in old JRPGs and loved it
>>743147270My singular lasting issue was the stupid mushrooms
>>743146523i just finished that last night which is why i'm replaying 2 again
>>743145138You gotta at least give 2 a shot. That’s the one the Mother series takes the most from.
>>743147458objectively the only problem with EB. fuck mushrooms, you cant even heal them outside hospitals.the photo guy starts off funny, then becomes annoying, then loops back around to being funny again.
>>743147270>peaceful rest valleyplace is such a slog man. you've got UFOs that inflict colds so your PSI is gonna be used on curing that, trees that explode on death so you're going to want healing items, except you can't carry many healing items because at that point Ness is lugging around the ATM card, Sound Stone, Pencil Eraser, Reciever Phone, Town Map, and all his equipment. you also potentially have the bike, Teddy Bear, Exit Mouse and whatever garbage Orange Kid hands you if you don't know to ignore his ass. all on one character
Earthbound threads are dead because one dedicated schizo made it his life's purpose to make daily, sometimes twicely threads that could only be boiled down to "Mother 3 is shit" and samefag spam them to bump limit with how woke Milquetoast they are. The constant threads on "indie games about depression" didn't really help either.
>>743147715escargot express exists for a reason
>>743147759you're not wrong but even then you at minimum are gonna keep the ATM card, Sound Stone and Pencil Eraser because you need it to get into the valley proper, unless you go there, use it, backtrack to town to stash it. plus all your equipment.
>>743147336>(you dont get jeff second. did you even play the fucking game?)yea i fucking know that, i'm saying even with paula it's still shit because she starts at lvl1 and gets oneshot by everything, teddy bears run out after like 2-3 hitsalso territorial fucking oaks
I played this game when I was a kid and I genuinely loved it. Played through it probably upwards of 10 times now. I've made it my goal to play it on every system I have. I recently beat it on Dreamcast
>>743147909they catch up real quick in levels though, plus you gotta go into the caves for the Sanctuary boss anyway so you can catch her up real quick on bugs. the return trip through peaceful rest valley should be with a properly leveled Paula
HOW THE FUCK DOES THE TURN ORDER WORK IN THIS SHITONE SECOND I'M FASTER THAN THE COPS THE NEXT I'M GETTING HIT FOR 70% OF MY HEALTHthe older i get the more i don't have the fucking patience for turn based RPGs and RNG bullshit, i'm level fucking 10 and can't get past the 3rd cop and cunts just spam the heavy hit attack and i can't fucking do anything because the text is so slow i die before getting a chance to healfuck earthbound it really is the worst of the three, overrated redditslopat least mother 3 actually has a fucking story and not just "find 8 melodies again because this is actually a remake of mother 1"
>>743146515Tank is much easier than Franky cause you know you can heal.
>>743148387>At the beginning of each turn, each character has their speed adjusted by +/- 50% to determine the turn order. In the case of a tie, later characters act first, and enemies act before allies. If an enemy tries to steal, they will always act last.get wrekt lucklet
Obviously Nintendo will never revive the Mother series. It's an auteur trilogy and should remain as such. But I'd be interested to see them throw some bones Toby Fox's way, give him a small team, and see what he does with it. If he's got some ideas kicking around, just let him go wild.
>>743148387You're out of your skull if you think Earthbound isn't better than Mother.
>>743148387That's funny because as I've gotten older my patience with turn based games has gone up, but my patients for faggoty ass gimmicks has gone down. I played through the whole of Blue Dragon and had a good time, and I cannot.....can not play Persona
>interested in replaying mother 3>remember chapter 3 exists>no longer interested in replaying
>>743144318Anon got one thing right. Earthbound gets good when Jeff rescues you. Something about having three people in the party, even before Jeff gets broken tech like the Hungry HP-Sucker, makes the combat feel good.
just yet another game ruined by shitty combat thats made solely to pad the game out. its one of the worst aspects of jrpg's and certain crpg's. most of these games would have done wonders by dropping combat and had a more interesting system like Disco Elysium
i would lie on the official nintendo forums claiming earthbound was my favorite game but i never had actually played it at the time
>>743148873Earthbound's combat is fine.
>>743148701mother 3 is an alright game that takes FOR FUCKING EVER to get rolling. I don't think I'll ever replay the game, but I can replay earthbound no problem because the journey proper starts basically immediately.
>>743148593mother but everyone is gay, wonderful
>>743147248>I can't think of one instance of that being used in a game that isn't earthboundMother 3
>>743148701I keep a save at the start of ch4 for this reasonch 1-3 shouldnt really exist, they add nothing that it couldnt have been added in a flashback cutscene near the end of the game
>>743144506I can't comment on the original DQ1-7 but the remakes of them and the games after don't require grinding at all.
>>743148964its too much and takes up too much time, is the primary issue. it gets old and boring rather quickly. its the same in planescape. the combat just feels like a horrid chore before you get to the actual meat and potatoes which is the writing, world and characters. earthbounds writing, world and characters are also great, but you must suffer through endless fucking combat that eats up so much time. ive grown a lot less patient to that as ive gotten older as i have less free time in general.
>>743144318Complaining about the grind in Earthbound and then saying Mother 1 is better when it objectively requires more grinding is silly.
>>743148701I enjoy Chapters 1 and 2 enough that they carry me through Chapter 3. I'm bummed that Flint doesn't get to do more even if their reasoning makes sense
>>743149134>saying Mother 1 is betterhe literally said that mother 1 had the same problem
>>743149048
>>743149128I disagree.
>>743149065The original DQ2 I spent like, literally 3 days grinding for the final dungeon that may or may not throw multiple dragons at you just for the lolz
>>743149175And that's why it makes no fucking sense because he has the same issue with both except it's way worse in 1 and there's nothing else spectacular about 1 to make you think it's better
https://youtu.be/K141DoYM9Ac?list=PLE40E34D8D291C47D>You now remember Duane and Brando
>>743147248on the other hand, people LOVE visible enemies and the "auto-win if you walk into weak enemies" schtick
>>743149294People say the same thing about Chrono Trigger but that game has way more forced encounters
>>743149294I am convinced they love those things because they do not actually like JRPGs and resent the games for demanding they play them via random encounters
>>743149294Idk how I feel about it. I think DQ11 was balanced well around it, and it is nice to not feel like I'm getting ambushed every 5 steps, but it also eliminates some of the mystique.
jrpgfags sell me on a traditional rpglast one i played was dqiv on nds and its just not a good timewhat is it that makes earthbound's combat fun?
>>743147248All I remember about eb rolling health is that it happened way too fast to react properly which m3 fixed. But yeah it is a pretty unique RPG mechanic and I never even realized that until now
>>743148387>find 8 melodies again replace melodies with needles and subtract one
>>743149446>All I remember about eb rolling health is that it happened way too fast to react properlythat's only really the case in the early game when you have no GUTS. the mechanic is basically nonexistent in the early game, but becomes very useful later on.
>>743148387>at least mother 3 actually has a fucking story and not just "find 8 melodies again because this is actually a remake of mother 1"It's really more about purifying your sanctuaries rather than the melodies themselves
>>743149446this, early game i end up just hitting auto battle to try and save a few frames and hope the AI uses lifeup>>743149510that isn't until the second half of the game though i was just hoping nobody would mention them but you are right the difference is they actually affect the story as it's happening and not at the very endlove magicant
the 8 sanctuaries were promised to ness 10000 years ago
>>743147392At least when you grind and get strong enough enemies avoid you and if you successfully sneak on them you kill them right on the spot, this is one of the most overlooked features of Earthbound and I’m shocked it’s never made its way into any other RPG since then. A game like Mario & Luigi Brothership really could’ve benefited from a mechanic like that.
This game is piss easy if you know what you're doing in any RPG game. Only time you might end up grinding is by accident when trying to get the sword of kings.
>>743147732Stop giving the obvious trolls attention
>>743149838paper mario has the spin badges that instantly kill lower level mobs and i think persona lets you instantly kill shit with a back attack at some point and they even run away from youonly two games i can think of that do this though, but neither let you just touch to instakill
>Ninten has a special move that can guarantee an escape from an unwinnable battle>Ness and Lucas don’t Rare Ninten W, seriously fuck Gargoyles
>>743150072>fuck gargoylesfuck the armour suits with psi shields final starman
The only truly horseshit part of Earthbound is when they take Paula away from you in Fourside. Taking your big dick DPS away is anti fun.
>>743148701I’d rather play anything in Mother 3 than replay Final Fantasy IX. There are worse things.
>>743150163Why is FFVII the only one of the PS1 trilogy that's actually fun to play
>>743150163I love mother 3 and ff9 both You have shit taste.Also beat the SNES remake of mother one this afternoon. Loved it, the grind and trek up mount Itoi was a fucking nightmare and I wouldn't have it any other way.Loved the Giygas graphics and encounter.
>>743149537Fair enough. I beat eb like 20 years ago so I don't remember some of the details. I ended up getting more obsessed with mother 3 when the translation came out
>>743150369If you love ff9 it has to be the vanilla one, not the sped up battles version of it. Otherwise I feel like it doesn't count. Not assuming anything about you just clearing that up
>>743150137I stopped my recent replay of the game because I got to exactly this part. I "stopped for the day" I told myself and now it's been a month since I've booted the game up. Game feels so good with a party of 3, but then you're running Ness Jeff for a bunch of fourside and that shit just isn't very fun
>>743150369it was a nice touch having the song progress bar with the notes, but giygas looks more like mewtwo now than beforei completely forgot about the dragon and was gonna be pissed if it didn't teleport me back to the gravestone afterforgot how the fight worked and thought it was glitched at the start
The problem with Mother 3 is how it completely shits on the optimism and endings of the first two games for some forced "humans bad LOL" message. If you just play Mother 3 and ignore that it's meant to be a sequel to Mother 1 and 2 it's great but as a conclusion to the trilogy? Fucking awful.
>>743151125He should have just finished the original ow the edge version instead of meandering. Then at least people wouldn't be confused and disappointed in that it baited them to believe it was supposed to be similar to the other games
>>743151543Yeah the game being gutted severely from its N64 original version really didnt appease anyone when it comes to lore
>>743151125>for some forced "humans bad LOL" messageI don't think that was the message at all. If anything humans were inherently good until corrupted by evil, represented by Porky and his consumerism.
>>743151761Humans blow up the world before Mother 3 even starts, which pretty much completely invalidates everything you did in the first two games.
>>743151954Yeah maybe letting not mewtwo win would have been betterITs such shit writing to destroy the past heroes accomplishments but writers keep falling for it over and over
>>743151954just like chrono cross
>>743151954>>743152078>nooo but I saved the world it should be saveded forever!Mother 2 is a bad game because it invalidates what you did in Mother 1 because the aliums came back - the logic of an insane personMother 3 is so far out future wise that everyone in both 1 and 2 could've lived their entire lives out, but the world later ending from other means invalidates their lives and heroism? fuck outta here.
>>743152182No not saved forever, you can have new threatsBut destroying the world that former heroes saved is bad writing that serves no purpose other than to shit all over the fans
>>743152182It's not bad simply because the world ended in the far future, it's bad because it presents a very cynical view of humanity being self destructive that completely contradicts the outlook of the first two games. The first two games have a bit of tongue in cheek humor about the nature of humanity but it never crosses into full on "humans will inevitably destroy themselves" levels of cynicism that Mother 3 presents.
>>743152239I'm sorry but that's the most childish thing I've ever read on here. is it not enough that they secured safety for everyone in their lifetimes? Must a party of children be the stewards of the entire planet forever and ever? I never once thought Mother 3 invalidated the older games, because of how far in the future it seems to be. It's basically a whole different setting.
>>743152401and I think Mother 3 and 2 are a perfect rebuttal to that. the humans are not inherently twisted or evil, they are corrupted by the mani mani statue in 2, and by Porky in 3. The old world ends not because of any inherent human behavior, but from corruption of that purity. And even then humanity STILL lives on, and is reborn in a more pure form via pre-time skip Tazmily. things change for the worse when Porky's influence is allowed to run rampant in the town, but humanity can persist even after the dragon is woken up. I dunno how anyone can see Mother 3 as a downer when the entire thing is built around showcasing the persistence of purity in humanity through disaster after disaster.
The only really hard part in the game is the department store because enemies are tough and you only have two party members.
>>743146682Its crazy how mother 3 has a top 5 all time final boss battle using the dragon quest battle system
>>743144318I legit do not remember any struggle or grind at the beginning of Earthbound
>>743153086I find the swamp tough. Attrition gets me and end up grinding up even though I dont want to.
>>743144318>even 1 is betterbitch you have to grind to like level 8 or 9 right when you leave the house so you dont get molested by the zombies in the cemetary.
>>743153437Enemies go from dog/crows/snakes to skater punks who do 3-5x the damage of the former. The easy enemies give you like nothing in exp so you are probably around level 3-4 when you meet the punks and you probably want to be level 6 at least for frank. Then going into the first sanctuary you will likely need to go up to 9.The police officers are easy peezy after that and its smooth sailing until the path between twoson and the blue town before getting paula. Those trees and ufos fuck you up and need a bit of grinding to comfortably pass. Then you probably grind a bit when you first get Paula so she doesnt get oneshot.
>>743144318Earthbound is an unintuitive and frustrating piece of fucking trash. Its only saving grace is the final encounter and even then it's not so impressivenow that it's been iterated upon
>>743153841Earthbound is full of amazing moments. The start of the game prior to getting Paula and the robot part are the only 2 parts that suck.
>>743154069Name em. Don't remember a single moment that stood out as worth ploughing through this piece of shit
>>743154145Desert sequences(both the mole brothers and the monkey caves)Fourside and MoonsideDungeon manPoos introAnd many more.
Can someone here explain to me why people hate the mother 3 story ?
>>743146897Earthbound is a terrible title for a game, it was poorly marketed with scratch and sniff magazine adds that smelled like an asshole (not kidding), and it cost $65 and came in a huge, weird-looking box since it had to come with its own strategy guide because no one but the obsessed would be able to finish it in the pre-internet era.It sold fewer than 140,000 copies, and yes, that was low in 1994. NBA Jam sold 2.3 million. It was obscure as fuck and anyone telling you here that they loved it is a 40+ year old man that is in the top %1 of SNES RPG fans.
>>743150624nta but I love FF9 as is. The only thing I change with mods is the trance system because it's default implementation is pretty dumb
>>743154921It's mostly just one guy with a bone to pick.
>>743154941That was in the 90s. It's 2026, and Undertale and Smash Bros informed most of the gaming public what EarthBound is.
>>743155390>see Ness in a fighting game>"Oh, cuh. I get Earthbound now. Frfr."Is that how it works these days?
>>743155484That's not what I typed out at all.
>>743154941Gross out ads were incredibly common at the time. Zoomers acting like the earthbound ads were agregious are applying modern standards to something from the 90s. It was a very different time.
>>743150072>literally 0 offensive psi>only unique skill is running awayWhy is Ninten such a coward?
>>743155502It is if I greentexted it. Sorry, I don't make the rules.Now you're an old tranny. Too bad.
>>743144318https://youtu.be/4qKE0GKtPHsEarthbound soundtrack has some great records on it
>>743144318>remember the first 3-4 hours are a grindfest because early game is complete bullshitDo people really not use the speed up emulation button?
I was never able to force myself to continue this game even though I started multiple play throughs through-out my life ever since I was a little kid on emulators. the farthest I ever got sincerely trying to keep playing was just near the end of fourside I think. and I grew up with snes and love most snes games so it's not that I was too used to newer games or anything like that.
>>743155484been that way for over two decades tobydesu
>>743156063>I need attentionlol that sucks bro
this is now the deltarune thread since mods keep deleting them
>>743154497Monkey caves' puzzle fucking sucked, annoying trial-and-error shit. The moles were great, though.
>>743144318>>remember the first 3-4 hours are a grindfest because early game is complete bullshitFunny, to me the last 3-4 hours become a chore. I dropped the game when you get to dinosaur land, that shit felt like filler.
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>>743146789Based. That gnarly sound that accompanies it too. It's hard for me to visualize what fights in Earthbound would look like in real life, but the idea that they're psychically holding on (even though Jeff doesn't have PP, it makes more sense that HP acts like a barrier for all of them and it can shatter ala maybe Smash Bros or something and that's why they get KO'd)
Where i can buy Earthbound?
>>743161809NSO is the only currently legal place to play earthbound I think
>>743162548>buying a used snes cart is illegal
>>743162968not what I ment dipshit but go for it pay up
>>743148387Earthbound uses Dragon Quest's shitty method for determining turn order based on Speed plus or minus some random variable so one turn you act first then the next turn the enemy might act first. EB enemies don't really scale up in speed so using equipment that raises speed will ensure you act first.It's most important on Jeff since bottle rocket accuracy is determined by comparing his speed versus the target with a larger gap in his favor granting more hit. It's why the Clumsy Robot is one of the hardest bosses in the game: it's the fastest enemy and immune to big bottle rockets.
>>743144318>you can actually fight more than one enemy and live without needing to heal every single turnyou just put 1 enemy to sleep and smash the other with a stick dumbass
>>743162968>>buying a used snes cart is illegalSays who? There are dozen in Tokyo
Is mother 1 good?
>>743163886It's complicated. There are aspects to like, but because of the NES era, the dungeons are fucking AWFUL. GBA version doesn't fix this, but it has nice gameplay improvements but it has mostly terrible renditions of the music (which are bangers on the NES)The SNES fan remake is as close to the perfect version we'll probably ever get.
>>743161385>>743161482>>743161518>ESL Deltatroon fan so retarded he doesn't even know the thread he's in
I replayed Mother 1 recentlyI don't get why people always say you have to 4th-D slip your way up the mountain. The game is so easily exploitable>Nearly every enemy besides Starmen only use PSI>Have Ninten and Lloyd guard while Ana uses PSI Block on Everyone>Then Ana uses LifeUp Pi to heal everyone>Then have Ana use Magnet to get the PP back then you just beat up the enemies while they're completely helpless to do anything. You literally cannot lose. With the Starmen you can just put up PowerShields, they'll just kill themselves on it at some point (and PK Beam Gamma Lloyd to death)If you do it this way instead of running from everything you might actually get to unlock PK Fire Omega which is so damn fun. Literally did not use one healing item
>>743164829I used that strategy too, but after a while it gets really tedious. Especially when you're still trying to map out the area
tranny thread
>>743149128 >ive grown a lot less patient to that as ive gotten older as i have less free time in general.Me too but I just use exploits and cheat engine speedhacking for that.
>>743152182It's not even clear whether Mother 1 and 2 are part of the same continuity. Mother 2 and 3 explicitly are.
>>743144318The first half of the game is the best part. Everything goes to shit after Fourside
>>743150137>Taking your big dick DPS away is anti fun.Tight Pussy DPS***
>>743150335Because it’s the first game you played
>>743150369Not only was the Giygas graphic very well done but the Singing Progression Bar is very neat touch.
>>743150960Speaking of the Dragon I found out on my own that you have to CHECK the Dragon, Talking to it won’t initiate the battle. And be prepared for an actual battle this time, no more PK Freeze Gamma to cheese your way through it (in the OG it reduces health to single digits and the Dragon wasn’t immune to this)
>>743163886The GBA version is probably the best, since it has a run button feature if you're talking about a purist standpoint.The SNES romhack is fine. On screen encounters makes Mt. Itoi even more imbalanced because you can encounter more enemies at once. There's another Mother 1 remake in the works but it will probably die in a few years considering it took 3 years to put out a 2 hour update. It's also nothing like Mother 1, since it has actual character interaction, dungeon design, and more expressive character models. /v/ doesn't like it because there's a few brown NPCs in it.
>>743154145Poo’s Training where he gets all his limbs severed, down to the senses with eyes and ears where he only has his mind left.
>>7431445068-bit and to a lesser degree 16-bit JRPGs almost mandate grinding at one or multiple points for padding. Granted they got the idea from WRPGs so I can't fully blame them.
>>743163886I think it's one of the better 8 bit RPGs but frankly speaking they're all rather awful.
>>743144318use the 2x exp romhackhttps://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8258/
>>743154145Magicant
>>743144318I don't remember having to grind. In Earthbound 0? Definitely, but not Earthbound at any point. Even when you have new party members stuck at level 1, your other teammates are strong enough to keep the weaker ones alive until they can catch up.>>743146789>>743149446I used to emulate Earthbound back in middle school when I was new to RPGs in general (grew up playing a lot of arcade games and platformers). I couldn't tell you how or why I picked up on 'mash A to stop health from depleting and save my ass' when the only other turned based games I played at the time were Pokemon and emulating Chrono Trigger, but I did and just became aware of it being the thing to do while playing Earthbound.
