>When you realize the story of Metal Gear is about a CIA agent that was supposed to save the world from communism but instead starts a right-wing authoritarian militaristic corporation movement that becomes a nuclear power and mutates into the biggest threat to the known world (Outer Heaven)Damn. Big Boss is literally a right wing militarist, hierarchical, leader-worshipping, mercenary-capitalist, and literally running a junta in africa and asia. This nigga was the Hitler/Napoleon of his time
Huey did nothing wrong.
>>743212496It's a dog not a wolf
>>743212496>posted 5 seconds after OP was postedH-HOW???
I do not give a shit, just someone make more Para-Medic porn for the love of god
>right wingDon't post. You're pol.
He's not right wing he dickrides che guevara in peace walker.
>>743212567>He's not right wing he dickrides che guevara in peace walker.That's his personal beliefs, but his actual MSF/Diamond Dogs/Outer Heaven movement is quite literally a right wing authoritarian military junta that started as a corporation lolThey are capitalist as fuck and nowhere near communist by the time they move to the Seychelles in MGSVAlso his admiration of Che is more about being a soldier.
>>743212567You literally kill commies in MGSV
>>743212567Che would be a natsoc if he were alive today
>>743212496fpbpHe literally gets blamed for shit he never did
Meanwhile The Boss is obeserving from the afterlife and screaming because everyone is fucking up what she envisioned
>>743212705and MGS3Big Boss literally started off as Naked Snake, one of the CIA's top commie killersDid you niggers play the games?
>>743212547Nanomachines
>>743212464>>743212665holy buzzwords
>>743212705he's not anti communist though
>>743212464>biggest threat to the known worldI would be very curious to see the demographic of this "known world" though I think i already know.
>>743212821Those aren't even buzzwords. Diamond Dogs is quite literally a right wing military movement that eventually turns into a junta (a military occupying countries)
>>743212547La Li Lu Le Lo
>>743212464>the story of metal gear is about two prequel shitfests that came 15+ years after the first game, and 6+ years after the first culturally relevant entrylolBiBofags
>>743212705Venom isn't the true Big Boss, he kills no one except XOF in MGSV then fucks off to build the true Outer Heaven.
>>743212464hey OP can you tell me what MSF means and how the SF fights in right wing ideology??Does Outer Heaven have a specific screening for new recruits based on biologically false racial theory?Are female soldiers worth less than male soldiers in Outer Heaven?
>>743212464>Saves sub-saharans>Simps after a woman all his life>Is an absentee father to two boysThat's some "right wing militarism" there bud.
>>743212547Hamburger
>Three Big Bosses operating in the same region of the world during the same time periodWhat did Kojimbo mean by this?
>>743213318Right wing =/= nazism retard
>>743212732is there a specific word for when right-wingers try to claim left-wingers as their ownlike, besides "disingenuous"
>>743213530who was the other one?
>>743213596me
>>743212496>the man who was cucked to deathhis very existence is wrong.
>>743212865big boss did not consciously model himself after any right wing leader (and if anything, he deeply admired che and many leftists/sandinistas as per peace walker) but what actually mutated in reality is basically a corporation that became a military junta lolIts about as ring wing as it gets
>>743213752i never played MG1 or 2, but did outer heaven take over a country or something? is it accurate to call it a junta if they didn't militarily take over the government of a country? they're just they're own little organization, right?
>>743212547Don't question it.
>>743213752i mean its an NGO military force and it basically an apolitical organization. Nothing in the games implies any sort of political identity. The only identity the game gives the org is one of just blindly following the honor of its leader.
>>743213886>but did outer heaven take over a country or something'outer heaven' is the name of a hypothetical nation by big boss, a concept. It refers to diamond dogs and everything else after.But there's also outer heaven in MG1.Yes. It was a junta. They took over parts of South Africa in MG1 then Tselinoyarsk (MGS3) again in MG2 But the 'Outer Heaven' concept kept carrying on after big boss' death
>>743213596During the late mid-late 80s, you had>Big Boss, establishing Outer Heaven in South Africa>Venom Snake, operating Diamond Dogs off the east coast of Africa, in the Indian Ocean>Solidus Snake, working for the CIA in Liberia, West Africa
>>743214032but did they ever take overthrow the government of an existing country and rule it? taking some land and settling on it isn't really a junta.
>>743212464>We're Diamond DogsWhat did he mean by that?
>>743213704You have to know you're being cucked to be cucked. There's no evidence Huey knew about the affair. He was likely murdered by Ocelot who was tying up loose ends, e.g. Donald Anderson.
>>743213986 “not having a party manifesto” =/= “not being political.”A military force that sells violence, ignores borders, obeys one charismatic leader, builds offshore sovereignty, develops nukes, and eventually becomes a state is not apolitical. That is politics at the highest possible level.
>>743214121>taking some land and settling on it isn't really a junta.If your soldiers decided to take a chunk of a country and call its citizens and resources your own, you have literally overthrown the government on a regional level. This is what juntas do in real life aswell.
>>743214124>we'll make diamonds from dog asses, carry them into battle with us
>>743214210that's more like an invasion
>>743214159Its "politics" sure but there is no coherent political identity presented in the games that could be construed as left or right, which is probably mostly intentional
>>743214234Juntas invade countries yes...
>>743214303can you define junta
>>743214141>"Circa 1997, Emmerich discovered that his wife was having an affair with his son, and decided to drown himself in the family pool, nearly taking his stepdaughter Emma with him. Emmerich's suicide was later covered up as an accident, something his stepdaughter herself believed, although his own son knew the truth and blamed himself."Why must you make this a house of LIES.
>>743214317junta these nuts
>>743214291That argument is half-right but still wrong.the games do not give MSF/Outer Heaven a party-platform identity like“conservative, socialist, liberal, fascist,etcHowever Outer Heaven/Big Boss has a very coherent political identity. It is just not parliamentary politics. It is soldier sovereignty.His institution is right-wing authoritarian in structure.Also you're treating it like a left vs right, when in reality Metal Gear is more interested in other axis, but most of Big Boss' ideology, whether or not he is aware, falls under right-wing military, capitalist/corporatism authoritarianism
>>743214423
>>743212567>dickrides che guevara >pw tapes dickride the Boss more by saying a woman was actually the first person in space and alan shepherd was just riding on her success>muh soviets were all about spaceflight safety while America didn't careKojima had a weird commie phase that ended when he had skullface demolish msf, and had chico the symbol of leftwing resistance movement raped and killed. Then the next game is you killing soviets in Afghanistan. What happened to him between PW and mgsv? Who knows.
>>743214159reddit needs characters to monologue a manifesto to the camera for them to identify "politics". The character's actions demonstrating it isn't enough.
>>743214317The army is the government.Which is literally Big Boss' ENTIRE FUCKING IDEOLOGY.Take a look in MGS4. Armies/PMCs literally use entire countries as playgrounds. The local governments and their armies cant stop them.Big Boss' finalized dream in MGS4 is basically a worldwide Junta from military corporations.Have you been paying attention?
>>743214461>"We have no nation, no philosophy, no ideology. - Big BossMakes you think
>>743214402That's somebody summarizing the dialogue from the game, which is from Hal's perspective, which itself is the only "evidence" of Huey's purported knowledge of the affair or alleged suicide.In actuality there is no context where Hal really knew what happened. He didn't actually witness his father seeing him, or his claimed murder-suicide attempt. He blamed himself and filled in the blanks because of his guilt and reasonable ignorance of what other contexts might exist for his father's death.So you can accept unreliable hearsay as fact, or read between the lines and look at the overarching story. It's ultimately up to (You), the player, but based on the context I don't buy it.
>>743214551You are never killing people under the guise of a political agenda though. He's not killing soviets because he's anti-communist
>>743214716but i was killing them because i'm anti-communist, and big boss said i'm big boss, too
>>743214716>He's not killing soviets because he's anti-communistWhat????He's literally a CIA agent in MGS3 preventing the soviets from getting nukes.Naked Snake was THE commie killer of the united states
>>743214716The writer controls who your enemies are. Half of mgsv missions are you helping out CIA glowies and Zero, who in the was never really a bad guy because muh skullface did all of the it.
>>743214691Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that, Huey.
>>743214817>collaborates with Khrushchev Big Boss never states anything political that implies he's anti-communist
>>743212547Thread creation and thread replies are on different timers. The OP of a thread can make a thread and instantly reply to it.
>>743213554the right has moved so far right that its indistinguishable. You build concentration camps in which half the people arent even there for crimes but because of skin color. You have armed police running around neighborhoods pulling people out of their homes. a lot of quacking like a duck going on.
>>743215094Again>“not having a party manifesto” =/= “not being political.”Big Boss was not personally a doctrinaire anti-communist ideologue. But he was created and deployed as an anti-communist Cold War asset.In other words, he was in every way, a commie killer
>>743215240Niggas be like think of the poor hecking brown people who came here illegally. Why don't you think of the poor Russians and remove the ukrainian border too, every country should invite the entire world inside.
>>743215412quacking like a duck
>>743215412>Why don't you think of the poor Russians and remove the ukrainian border toowell the ukrainians are working on that pretty well by firebombing the russian borders and destroying all of their electric plants and gasoline processing plants
>>743215486Damn bro I didn't know hitler only deported jews. Learning a new thing from you folks every single day.
>>743212496The entire huey shitshow was Kaz trying to blame Huey because he couldnt get Zero or Skull Face to take the fall>Huey himself contacts Diamond Dogs to rescue him, it makes no sense for him to do that if he was the mole because hes a coward by nature and he would never want to be in a closed room with BB or Kaz if he did it>theres literally no evidence of him being the traitor >"b-but why was he taken?He pushed for the inspection and its unusual for him to be abrasive"He started fucking Strangelove and the test boost made him more pushy, the inspection was going to happen eventually regardless if they didnt want to be put into every watchlist on the planet, and XOF capturing him is completely plausible because hes a mechatronics expert and Zeke's & PWs baby daddy, hes extremely valuable to acquire>b-but he killed the motherbase soldiers with the vocal chord parasytes on the quarantine strutBy his reactions which despite him being delusional about something, show genuine concern and surprise with how Massive Medic is just killing all the soldiers, Huey most likely was put to work by Kaz into making a weapon with the parasytes behind Code Talkers, Snake and Ocelots back (Kaz has a history of going behind peoples back for his own goals even if he thinks its for their benefit i.e taking Zeros money to build MSF) and then when it backfires he quickly cooks up the trial to get Huey out of the pictureAnd yes he did kill Strangelove, theres no way he didnt, which rightfully should get him exiled since she was at one point a staff member at MSF, but he isnt the traitor, i dont think there even was one, MSF was just caught with their pants down by a enemy that studied them and prepared for it
>>743215534>Damn bro I didn't knowyes, they said that a lot and got tried and convicted for murder and being an accessory to murder and genocideyou are still quacking like a duck.
>>743215649Point me to the map where the six million mexican mass graves are.
>>743215591Insane cope for Huey here.Fuck that nigga, glad he drowned.
>>743215240this so much this. they be putting all black and lgbtqiaa+ folk in death camps and expect us just to take it.
>>743212464Duh. MGS is essentially a thinly veiled allegory for the Bush administration. Then in Revengenace they drop the allegory entirely.
>>743215726going back and playing peace walker again it's really funny how finger-pointy and eager for a scapegoat huey *already* is
>>743215769Youre an asshole troll or buffoon, possibly all of it.
>>743215240This has to be bait,you cant be this retardedPro tip: communists did this, are they right wing?Holy shit the US had actual concentration camps with asians during WW2 but youre complaining about border control after extremely large portions of the 3rd world entered it illegallyIm not even a burger, i just think youre illiterate and massive cuckold faggot
>>743215838>Pro tip: communists did this, are they right wing?First you must examine why you believe communism has an inherent political direction when it's an economic model and not a political direction
>>743215768You don't understand you fucking chud, this is just like ww2 where all the jews famously try to climb a wall to get into the 3rd reich. For some reason they bring their entire families too.
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>>743216132>mistral talks about ideals and her song about finally having some kind of ideals system>literally does not bring up what her ideals are supposed to be>implied she loves armstrong>who also has completely incoherent beliefs and will talk at length about them without saying anything
>>743216132The Boss
>>743216132olga but from the plant chapter, cause her slightly longer hair is cute
>>743215994politics is economics retard
>>743212746Yes but he is start sucking Guevara's cock and the sandinistas that are just commies
>>743216661Doesnt contradict him being a commie killer.You can suck cock and murder 10 homosexuals in the same day.
>>743216661He was also sent to Russia to kill Volgin specifically for being willing and able to pocket-nuke Russia until they abdicated control of the country, not to go Rambo on communists, something he doesn't actually do in MGS3 and the other guy decided to not bring up
>>743216724Volgin is Big boss' mirror. Volgin is the rogue commie. Big Boss the rogue right winger.Infact, Big Boss literally becomes Volgin by MG1/MG2. Think about how they Junta'd their local governments under threat of nuclear weapons.Then what happens?A lone agent sent in to kill them.Naked Snake and Solid Snake, respectively.
>>743216132Who’s that after Paramedic’s right? Haven’t seen her in any MG game I played
>>743216856I'm guessing those are Metal Gear AC!D characters.
>>743216785>Big Boss the rogue right wingerThis idea completely shits in the mouth of the game's point and Boss's point that soldiers are disposable tools and their own political affiliation or ideology literally does not matter, indeed shits in the mouth of Big Boss's own reasoning for abandoning the USA and forming the Militaires Sans Frontieres
>>743216934But you gotta admit, it rhymes.
>>743213590maybe you are retarded but Che was an Anti-Imperialist, something the left isn't. most Right Wingers in Europe (in socialist countries) agree that Che was based for the way he behaved and hold out on his own merit rather than playing stupid games with team a-b politics and got shit done when needed, that's just how things are. such a level of Isolationism is by default a right wing position.
>>743216908It seems you’re righthttps://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Alice_Hazel
>>743215994because communism is just a political scam to get retards to give up their country, retard
>>743217068>Che was an Anti-Imperialist, something the left isn't.What the absolute fuck are you talking about I swear to god right wingers are some of the most retarded people alive , just incoherent ramblings
>>743212464Big Boss is basically Trump? lol. remember: patriots are in control now.
>>743217068>something the left isn't??????
>>743217164>no proof just emotionally compromised lash out.go fuck yourself retarded marxist gay nigger, you will never read a historical text that offends your views unlike right wingers will. Che literally called niggers niggers, faggots faggots. he literally was against foreign imperialism and that's why he fought against the invading western forces, you are trying to claim something that's not yours because you are enforcing globalism and progressive leftist topics on top of communism as your main goal: you are not owning Che here.
>>743216934>This idea completely shits in the mouth of the game's point and Boss's point that soldiers are disposable tools and their own political affiliation or ideology literally does not matter, indeed shits in the mouth of Big Boss's own reasoning for abandoning the USA and forming the Militaires Sans FrontieresAgain. As I have said here>>743215260>>“not having a party manifesto” =/= “not being political.”
>>743217189leftist default position is globalism and globalist control over the populations and their opinions and the market, whether its zionism or communism: its the same goal to subjugate the goyim for the Jews.
>>743212464It's funny when you consider it developed from his Guevaraboo episode in the late 2000s/early 2010s
>>743217304No he was not deployed as an anti-communist asset, he was deployed as an anti-Volgin and anti-Cobra Unit asset
>>743212665>fascism is capitalist authoritarianismYou're retarded. Big Boss's PMCs are not ultranationalist in any way-- to the contrary, they accept all ethnicities, nationalities, sexualities, and both sexes
>>743217338>leftist default position is globalism and globalist control over the populations Cute theory but which wignat Youtuber did you get this from>>743217282>che said naughty words and knew how to use a gun so he's a card-carrying right wingerGod we need to eliminate this sportsball mentality from politics
>>743217375fascism in Italy accepted any race just viewed browns and africans lower than Italians and whites, as long as you were a net positive to Italy you could stay in Mussolini's Italy, it was simple as that.
>>743212567Dickriding warriors is rightwing tradition.
>>743217423rode che's dick for being a successful revolutionary not for being a warrior
>>743217413he's definitely more right wing than Mao Zedong or Kim Jong Il is, plus what helps is that Che Guevara was also a populist not just a communist, he's even more right wing than Tito.
>>743217368the virtuous mission was about getting sokolov out so he couldn't help the communists develop nukes
>>743217282He was a marxist you fucking retard
>>743212464Right wing?I mean.... if anything Mother Base is a commune. A little in PW but *particularly* in TPP.Like the men aren't paid in money, they're paid with room and board and the opportunity to belong. That's the platonic ideal of a commune.They don't even measure the communal as wealth or capital but as usable resources.
>>743217375>PMCs are not ultranationalist in any wayRight wing authoritarianism =/= fascismBig Boss' Outer Heaven is right wing but does not use race as the main axis (but this is still a factor).It uses SOLDIERY as the 'race' in his civic right wing nation
>>743217413>wignatWtf does this jeet slang mean?
>>743217415Fascism and ultranationalism are basically synonymous. Where is the ultranationalism in MSF/Diamond Dogs/Outer Heaven? Who is the master race in Big Boss's ideology? What genocides did he commit? Big Boss was actually a globalist, he was the opposite of a fascist
>>743217368Volgin is not some random apolitical bad guy. He is a rogue Soviet military hardliner attempting to seize power inside the USSR using a nuclear superweapon. The Cobra Unit are his elite military assets. Stopping Volgin is still an American Cold War operation against a hostile Soviet faction.Strategically, that is still Cold War anti-Soviet covert action.
>>743212464Boss actually looks good without a beard. These days, it seems that everyone has a beard.
>>743217520I guess that would make his brand of fascism similar to Japanese fascism in WW2, i.e. extreme military classism. The Japs were still committing ethnic genocides though
>>743217528>what genocides did big boss commitIF HE SPEAKS KIKONGOHE GOES IN QUARANTINE
>>743217525Don't get caught being a monkey-see-monkey-do memelord again, anon, "wignat" is very old slang for "white nationalist"
>>743217561I don't think stopping a guy intent on overthrowing the Kremlin because he's going to be much worse than the Kremlin is specifically anti-Kremlin
>>743217528>muh-ultranationalism.go fuck yourself antifa nigger and stop reading the kool-aid common core retarded shit from Wikipedia like its a holy grail of information after their compromise of bad faith conduct. (opinion piece first - actual terminology after to first prime and brainwash the idiots like you.)
>>743217484Che was absolutely not a populist you are politically retarded sir
>>743217603>"wignat" is very old slang for "white nationalist"Oh, ok, so it's definitely a word that jeets made up then.
>>743217640Not anti-Khrushchev in that specific mission.Still an American Cold War asset operating inside Soviet/communist power politics.You're focusing on specifics too much.THere is a mission in Halo where the Flood and masterchief help each other in one mission to stop the prophets from firing the halosDoes that make masterchief pro-flood?This is essentially what was happening. You saw naked snake co-operate with kruschev for one mission because it was the best move for both parties
>>743217718I don't like that I have to share oxygen with you anon
>>743217701Let's hear your definition of fascism then
>>743217710he didn't want the (culture and people == populism) to be wiped out from the countries he was fighting for against invaders.
>>743217725>Still an American Cold War asset operating inside Soviet/communist power politics.On a mission that is completely outside of the politics of the two countries
>>743217751Centrist authoritarianism (totalitarianism) with right wing bias.
>>743217771>>743217771thats not populism you idiot
>>743217782Snake Eater is not outside the politics of the two countries. It exists because of the politics of the two countries.Shut the fuck up nigger
>>743217782>On a mission that is completely outside of the politics of the two countriesPUBLIC politics. If Volgin won, that war would have gone hot.
>>743217817Mhm. Completely incorrect, retard. Ultranationalism is the core ingredient of fascism. Fascism was created as a reactionary counterculture against communism's globalism and anti-borders. They liked the socialist modernist authoritarianism, but hated the destruction of culture and history, so they fanatically preserved it through ethnic ultranationalism
>>743217843It exists because one Russian is attempting to overthrow the government with a nuclear launch platform
>>743217841populism is the concerns of the people and their self identity, supporting the prolonging of existence of a nationality, culture or ethnicity is populism by default, you are thinking in leftist conspiracy talk rather than legitimate English speech, nice Indian level brainrot benchod. Rupert Lowe is a Centre-Right Populist for example.
>>743217882Didn't read: go kill yourself nigger and stop poisoning English (White - which is what you are not clearly), language.
>>743216132sniper wolf for me.
>>743217921Populism is a purposefully nebulous term but most commonly means people vs. the elite in some wayWhich is also why every right-winger that describes themselves as a populist and then is blatantly a corporate or government dick-rider is not a populist
>>743217959I accept your pathetic, impotent concession
>>743217895>It exists because one Russian is attempting to overthrow the government with a nuclear launch platformIN other words... it exists within the politics of the Cold War...
>>743217981Were we talking about those other sorts of non-populists what is with you lot and your gotcha-else if questions? learn to speak English first before debating anything politics related. Populism is about the folk/people's movements, if you have a grassroots movement for and by the people, that's a populist movement.
>>743217921Che was a revolutionary vanguard lol, nothing about his politics or actions implies he's a "populist". He didn't play the populism game at all,
>>743218029a 3000 person revolutionary war is not a populist movement you retard
>>743218126you lost the plot, you are clearly raised too much on state propaganda to coherently think about anything on your own and are not native to an English speaking country: English has zero number qualifiers for political types or definitions when it comes to ideology, you are clearly delusional sand nigger or something at this point by default or Chinese.
>>743218308HE FOUGHT A WAR TO HAMFIST IN HIS POLITICAL FRIENDLIES, THATS NOT POPULISM MAN
>>743215994Oh so its not nazism when its something you sympathize with, huh?It is not just a economic model, its a political ideology focused on enslaving its population, centralizing all the power into a single entity, extracting wealth and then ruling as a pseudo totalitarian monarchy, it always employs the same failed economic model on purpose since a broken country is easier to control, usually kept in a state of anarcho-tyranny before becoming a full totalitarian stateIts a dead end ideology that seeks only to destroy a nation and enrich a select few, its why China abadoned it and embraced Fascism after their initial province economic policies yielded results that far outperformed the rest of the country>>743217068Che wasnt anti imperialist, he was against imperialism in his turf and allies, but theres no evidence that he was truly against imperialism, only that at the moment he and his ilk couldnt practice itI know of their kind, my own country had "guerrillas" that preached about the evils of a dictatorship but really what bothered them was not a military junta but that they werent the ones in charge of it.Never trust a single word of out a latam socialist/communist, theyre all self interested thieving scum with no empathy or humanity
>>743218027I'm pretty sure the whole point of the game is that Volgin would just crush somebody's throat if they tried to get all Political™on him and Boss's philosophy that as soldiers they're supposed to crush the throats of anybody that gets all Political™on them
>>743218391his reasoning was 100% rooted in a populist colored marxist reasoning that was anti-imperialist. (we are fighting the same enemy, let us help and we'll fight together), this is pragmatism.
>>743218403>its a political ideology focused on enslaving its population, centralizing all the power into a single entity, extracting wealth and then ruling as a pseudo totalitarian monarchyguy describing capitalism's tendency to coalesce into one super-company that tries to supersede government but believes he's talking about communism
>>743217817No its state and msrket united in a single entity to preserve national cultural values, per Mussolinis definition
>>743218403true anon, only those sorts are trustworthy that actually fight against robbers and thieves either way and doesn't let rapists live freely. Xi for example fails this criteria, he's not trustworthy.
>>743218489I wasn't defining the character but the position on the grid, which is basically what you just stated, right wing by tradition and culture but market controlled by the state (protectionism etc.), that's centre right talking points.
>>743218482Thats an end result of corporatism, and that doesnt invalidate what communism actually is, ignore what it says or preaches because its actual actions are what it comprises ofTwo truths can exist at onceBut you clearly dont care about that, as its not convenient to you
>>743218430>>743218430you just really don't have a fundamental understanding of what populism is lol he was a vanguard, which is strictly not how populists seek to achieve their ends
>>743218637>there can only be one true Scotsman, one true way of being x.retarded talk.
>>743218662Correct, when we are talking about the definitions of thing, there is only one definition lol. Per the broadly common definition of what populism is , Che was not one
>>743218814go look at what populism is: you can perfectly align with other nations and fight for their cause as well if it benefits you and goes against the interests of your shared enemy.
>>743212464Only MGS1, 2, and Ghost Babel are canon. (Written by Fukushima)
>>743218506The chinese are yellow jews so by default you shouldnt trust them, but in practice theyre fascist for a while now since they officially abandoned marxism in their doctrine, they cant really admit their previous iterations were a failure so the name sticks i.e CCP (i mean seriously when have you seen a party leader ever go "yeah that was retarded we fucked up were gonna rebrand have a good one" pretty rare), theyre also a imperialist force, just biding their time, they continuously sabotage target nations by financing what they believe weakens them and try to not encourage it inside their own bordersFinancing and helping retarded Narcostate leaders in Colombia, Venezuela, Cuba, Brasil, Bolivia, to make its rival have fewer allies and controlIf anything the retarded tankie president in my country is gonna get blindsided by China whos already putting scouting outposts for their military in our territoryTl Dr: True communists know its a scam and just want to steal as much as they can from their people and live the good life, like any politician, unbound by laws or morals
>>743218595communism at heart is wealth redistribution and the workers (or in china's case, government) being officially in charge of and owning a factory floor rather than a series of executivesyou have described end-stage capitalism and projected communism onto it, communism's problems is its low if not nonexistent answers for government functions (because it's supposed to be an economic model and not a form of government or aspiring to be a form of government), the logistical problems of an economic overturn, and the fact that the previous economic model will do everything it can imagine to reinstate itself (which communism does actually have an answer for, "guns" and "kill everybody that's scheming to reinstate capitalism because they literally will not stop trying to regain power until they are dead")
>>743218846Okay sure but the means of enacting the political cause is the core issue here. Che didn't do it through popular politics, they did it through force, thats not populism.
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>>743218995armstrong is volgin wearing a suit
>>743218889they aren't fascists, just totalitarianism full force with no ideology other than state first policy, a den of thieves and robber barons re-branded. (with less freedoms): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C97ZRI6AsAlmao, got immediately hit with "we've changed your settings to a kid." (look how their AI moderation is processing information that's anti China.)
>>743212547Weaponized autism
>>743219019volgin was just a dickhead opportunist
>>743218986>implies American revolution wasn't populist in nature against the British imperialism.
>>743219090No, the revolution was not populist lol, people may have supported it but thats not what populism means you fucking dunce
>>743219090the american revolution was not really populist no, there were still a lot of british royalists in the colonies at the time
>>743215591This. The whole arc of Kaz in V was that he was a seething manipulative faggot who doesn't want to believe his own wrongdoings, and desperate to blame everything but himself for the shit he caused.The inspection happened in the first place because Peace Walker incident happened, and Kaz is the one that involved entire MSF into it without telling anyone. Snake was pissed about this and literally warned Kaz to be prepared at the end of PW.BB is ghosting Kaz in V because of this, and as much as Kaz wants to believe in his own delusions, he is aware of this, and wants to kill BB because he's the final piece of a puzzle that's preventing him from completely shifting the narrative to a point he could fool himself.It's pretty obvious if you've played PW, retards who actually believes his bullshit is either a tourist or, I hate how this word is overused by faggots but, media illiterate.
>>743219150>people's revolution against elite rulers from a foreign country.>noo populists can't be violent!!!french revolution? why are you saying only left has the right to act violent? Lmao.
>>743216132revengeance sunny for sureMGS1 Meryl a close second.
>>743219219>>743219219you really just think populism means "it was popular" and I am laughing
just like real life metal gear is all about right wing infighting as the relevant leftist groups already died eons ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q-8syq9F74
>>743219219man it's a sight to behold to see you children struggle with concepts too big for your small little brains. Everything must be sanded down of its complexity and underlying facts so you can neatly categorize it as left and right or whatever your retarded little brain thinks is the most important axis.Subhumans.
>>743212547he's nuclear
>>743215164Sure, but you still need to open the form, select the image, paste the text and wait for the captcha before you can post. Seems like a lot to do in 5 seconds though I guess you could barely do it.
what was soldier sovereignty even supposed to look like?Did The Boss and Big Boss really just want powerful Private Military Bodies that answered to noone but themselves?
>>743212547shows as 40s gap to me.
You can't compare him to Hitler because he literally had 0 desire to expand
>>743216132
>>743214551>>muh soviets were all about spaceflight safety while America didn't caresurely thats just because it happened like that in the mgs universe, right?
>"Outer Heaven isn't right wing"The shit is based on post-war CIA backed Nazi organisations like Gehlen and Odessa and the Spider. The whole fall from grace in MGSV is their transition from a pro socialist liberation movement to a fascist corporatist military cult. They exist to perpetuate war because they can't exist without it and you earn your place in their society by "doing your part".
Solid Snake seems like a pretty cool guy. Big Boss is a bit of a fag
>>743215240Leftoids really live in complete fantasy land lol
>>743217413>>leftist default position is globalism and globalist control over the populationsHe's completely right about this and you're a disingenuous breadtuber drone without arguments
>>743214716He is tho.
>>743221002it looks like SOP/"war as a business" from 4/MGR
>>743212547The Selection for Societal Sanity in action.
>>743217362Daily reminder that Kojima despises right wing ideology and Trumpism.
>>743216132Paz
>>743224627Zero media literacy: the post
>>743225701Thought-terminating cliche: the post.
I actually thought that Zanzibar Land in MG lore was literally the real island off the coast of Africa, but apparently it was just a fictional country.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PzZddYyro_0I'm so excited for MGS games besides V to finally start getting some interesting gameplay mods
>>743226068Zanzibart...
Friendly reminder 'Nicolo and Bart' were 100% guilty
>>743217413>>743217164Right wingers have shit for brains, it took you that long to accept it?
>>743226867>lefty nigger replying to himself after he got btfo by everyone lol
>>743226068I always wondered if the faggot writer from Borderlands 3 took the Zanzibart name from here
>>743226934I just entered the thread, friend.
>>743226068Zanzibar landforgive me
>>743215591>>743219215In addition to what these two anons said, Code Talker in a cutscene even tells you to keep an eye on Kaz. Although my theory is less that Kaz is trying to fool everyone and eventually himself into, and more that Kaz himself is unable to come to terms that he is also at fault for the destruction of motherbase and MSF by taking Zero's money in the first place and allowing Paz on MB despite knowing she was working for Cypher, so unable to come to terms and getting eaten alive from the inside by his anger he latches onto Huey because he's a convenient scapegoat looking to punish (kill) him for his "betrayal"
>>743216132Who is the one below The Boss?
>>743215240Genuine uneducated statement, historically every year ICE has been funded, INCLUDING bidens term being the largest funding of ICE to date besides maybe Trump's second term. If you check the records, every president has had ice funded besides Donald trump. Obama was the one who originated kids in cages, expanded on Clinton's expedited removal (where illegal aliens didn't even see a judge but the case was seen by an ICE officer, how long did cases last? Average was 5-10 minutes) Obama deported more, Biden deported a shit ton as well, why weren't people rioting in the streets then? Because cities cooperated with ICE in deporting these illegals. Holy shit are you 5 years old where you didn't live through any of this or just genuinely stupid.
>>743212464....and still a good guy.Isn't that quite interesting parallel?
>>743227026mhmm right
>>743212665you are a pseudointellectual who can't distinguish between realpolitik and party politics
>>743228705There's no point arguing with lefties who think basic immigration enforcement is like Hitwa, they're too far gone>Obama deported moreNo, he flubbed the numbers by counting every person turned away at the border as a deportation. And during his term the border was basically openDon't back down and cave to their insane demands because it will never be enough and they will still hate you and want you dead
>>743215079>Hungary revises its citizenship lawsT-thanks Kojima
>>743229049I'm still waiting for the retard who said that fascism / socialism is rooted in right wing bias when the democratic socialist of America are literally saying that they want to institute socialism and communism in the USA.
>>743212464he kidnaps and forces people into employmentthe Mother Base is actually existing barracks communism
>>743229685I think there's a term for this kind of "forced employment".
>>743216132>courtney from mgrr has the biggest hipsgoddamn
>>743212464Big Boss only wanted to create a nation where soldiers actually mattered which the Major/Cipher/Patriots did not like one bit. They wanted absolute control and Big Boss got in the way. The only way Big Boss would have been able to keep any sembleance of sovereignty was through nukes and military might.
ITT OP is unquestionably correct but 4chan has no idea what words mean so they argue about racism instead
>>743218403>Communism...>...is about centralizing powerOops you're retardedThat's literally the opposite of communism
>>743230746End result of communism is complete control from the state, not it's people. Now off to the gulag.
>>743212464>right wingNigga hes literally trying to break away from the left/right paradigm. Did you even play the games.
>>743216132Tatyana
>>743212496Huey did literally everything wrong.
>>743216132Where's Flaming Buffalo?
>>743214551I don't think much happened to Kojima. He was always pretty much a basic bitch liberal, just a fairly well read one. That's the perspective from which Metal Gear and Death Stranding are written. He's against militarism. He's against nuclear weaponry. He's against nationalism. And he has a particular fear of systems taking on their own momentum and outgrowing human oversight, which is arguably the most prominent theme in his work.He clearly has some sympathy for communism but I don't think he ever believed in it. Keep in mind, Big Boss was never supposed to be the good guy. He was framed kind of sympathetically for rebelling against the Patriots but he ultimately failed. Outer Heaven never represented a realistic alternative to their order, it was cynical, authoritarian mess with no clear ideology beyond "we have no ideology" that didn't do shit to set soldiers free. Big Boss was not a good guy. By the end he just played into the "perpetual war" agenda orchestrated by the Patriots.
>>743231384>Break away from left/rightThat's not how dimensions workAll political systems exist somewhere on the spectrum of anarchy to totalitarianism
>>743216246Her brief chat and song do sort of explain things but it's muddled by her being disinterested in chatting; basically her childhood unlocked a bloodthirsty serial killer, she likes butchering people but knows that's a no-no without conflict to excuse it, so she scurries around the world between acts of war and terrorism where her actions will go unnoticed if not appreciated.She loves Armstrong because he's offering what no one safe would; a country with no laws against waking up and slapchopping the first person who gives you an excuse.Cutting ahead to how she differs from the other psychos, Sundowner doesn't just want to warfare as a means to kill, he likes war for staging every possible human atrocity. Some lead to beneficial progress like the tech of the MG world, or advances in misery like VR brainwashing that would otherwise be off the menu.Either way he sees war gives life and death constant momentum. That's where his song's comparisons to life's purity in the wilderness compared to civilization and codes of conduct that chain us back in his eyes.Khamsin's a patriotic stooge, I guess he's just there as a representative of the people buying into Armstrong's surface pitch.Blade Wolf's his mirror, an artificial dog questioning command.Memesoon is about things labelled "good and bad" just being natural processes, and how people need to be honest to be effective instead of aimless, he isn't pushing for Armstrong's world, but is willing to work for him because beneath his cover he seems the most honest about the situation and himself.Sam's resigned from sheer vigilantism being enough, and is working for Desperado to spare his neck now that he's high on the list of Armstrong but secretly hoped someone like his old self would do what he failed to. Hence checking Raiden's weak spots to test him, then passing on his sword to join him in death.Everyone's gone on about Armstrong's understandable premise but bat shit insane conclusion enough by now.
>>743233550Before later excuses the earliest most succinct encounter with Big Boss in Metal Gear had him tell Solid Snake he doesn't give a shit about politics anymore, he'll do what keeps him and his operation afloat so soldiers can live like warlords instead of cannon fodder.Which sounds as much like anarchy as totalitarianism because he's using both and neither. He's willing to be a terrorist or hired guard, to liberate and expose as well as oppress and conceal. Whatever works.There may be people in every political spectrum who secretly think and would like to operate close to that, but none do because even dictators know too brazen a dismissal of rules will turn people against you. BB's a fictional character so he doesn't have to care about fearing the people or watching his back.
>>743233550He doesn't care, thats the point. Hes fighting for his people, and his people are soldiers. He doesn't care about communism or capitalism, he cares about soldiers having a place instead of being left behind and thrown away.
>>743235295That's a socialist idea.
99% of the reason for outer heaven was to tell the patriots to fuck off and leave him in peace, so he created his own country and self suffcient bases on the oceanBig boss is in fact ANCAP
>ITT
still laughing that there is a retard in here that thinks populism simply means that it was popular
>>743230746Idiot, tell me what happens everytime communists take power?>ibn4 thats just the first stage of communism, they eventually decentralize the power because communism doenst have a stateIt never happens, youre just a mark and probably a cuckold if youre so easily deceivedI said it before, the words and their tenants are irrelevant because its not what happens, i would be more willing to give it a chance if it was just one case, but its what happens everytime, no exceptionsYoure just nowhere near as smart or educated as you believe you are.
>>743212464Yeah and he got beaten by a fucking clone with a can of hairspray, lol.Lmao, even.
>>743212705it's balanced out by the fact that you kill glowies in PW
>>743234101Monsoon's probably the most questionable character in MGR if not a highly questionable character in Metal Gear in general since living through Pol Pot would have made him violently opposed to an American politician promising a might-makes-right reformation.
>>743236883Communism Will Triumph
>>743236883>what happens everytime communists take power?the USA stops at nothing to undermine the country and ostracize it from the global market, usually, though they made the mistake of uplifting china into a manufacturing giant once they thought "the danger had passed" of communism and now the USA spends all its time bitching incessantly about not having any manufacturing anymore (because they gave it all to china and everybody bitching doesn't understand that's by design, including the current administration)
>>743235365Not really because he specifically means soldiers, not the proletariat. He also has zero issues using capitalism, he is simply looking out for soldiers.
>>743235694Everyone always clowns on these games but everyday they hit bump limit with retards arguing like the picSame with skyrim
>Collection got good sales, same for the remake>40th anniversary of Metal Gear 1 on the way>Confirmed to have a development team back to focus on itYep, they will have a bunch of announcements for the anniversary and one will be a game about EVA, why do you think they revealed who actually was her voice actress?
>>743217520>Right wing authoritarianism =/= fascismHoly fuck you're genuinely retarded...
>>743240020Please use her design from the end of 3 it looks awesome and we only see it for 15 seconds
>>743240664No, you are. You're conflating vaguely similar but different things into one like a stupid brainlet retard.
>>743212464MGS isn't about anything cohesive. Each entry is about what Kogimbo wanted to make at the time and the overall "plot" is just a mishmash of all of that put into a blender.
>>743240020>>743240736What would a game with her even be about? She can fight but she's clearly not as strong as Snake, that's why she use her charms when sneaking.
>>743240664He's a brainlet using pop science schizo bullshit he learned in psychology class and he still gets it wrong. Big Boss is the farthest thing from a fucking RWA or some retarded globalist. He's an anti-establishment anarchist who seeks to dismantle existing structures, the opposite of an RWA.
>>743212464>talks about big boss>uses picture of a completely different character sorry, you are not worth engaging with on this topic
>>743214551>dickrides che guevarai don't really think it's that, you have to remember the entire story is from the perspective of a group of guerilla mercenaries. of course people like that are gonna think Che is cool, it would be stupid if they didn't.
>>743241616he's not anti-establishment he's pro-soldier
Para Medic sexo
>>743243738He created a breakaway society. That is definitionally anti-establishment
>>743240664“Right/left-wing” changes with the time. It’s an inherently meaningless qualifier outside of modern politics.
>>743235631I don’t think this is quite accurate either. Anarchists don’t believe in governing authorities. Outer Heaven has a hierarchical, militaristic system of rules and punishments with Boss as the ultimate governing authority. It’s a dictatorship
He's literally me
>>743235295>>743214159>>743215260>>743217304As stated a million times>“not having a party manifesto” =/= “not being political.”
>>743232220He literally did, except betray DD.
>>743212464Is there anything more embarrassing than listening to some retarded kids thoughts on the world like he just discovered something unique and unknown to others? Holy fuck its cringe
>>743235121>>743235295Yes, that's fine that he isn't an idealist, but the systems he builds still exist on a left-right spectrum (on the very far right)
>>743246426He became the establishment you retard.The whole point is that he's a hypocrite.His platform is built on 'SOLDIERS ARE NOT TOOLS' Then he takes a brain damaged amputee and uses him until he's killed (Venom)He hates oppressive totalitarian governments, but THEN BECOMES IT.Fucking moron. I swear to god people here are retarded and cant read subtext
https://youtu.be/FYbOOXtl80U
>>743247393>dunning-kruger momentthe "establishment" in this context was the world ruled by the patriots. retard
>>743247760big boss didn't give a shit about the patriots until they started messing with him back, the MSF was already his first attempt at an outer heaven project
>>743213590It's fair to say that more or less anyone alive before the 21st century would be "right wing" at this point.You think those rock hard dudes who were doing all of the revolutions would want to be on the same side as what "the left" has congealed into?
>>743247840Actually its foxhoundWhich then split off into two different factions>MSF > DD > Outer Heaven>FOXHOUND led by campbell (then later BB in MG1) then Campbell again in mg2, mgs1, mgs2, mgs3There's alot of recurring themes of 'phantom' groups splitting off from the source
>>743218930nta but stop being retarded.communism at its heart is a cult of retards blindly tearing down society to rebuild it shittier because they have FAITH that somehow if they just give a few people ALL the power and resources utopia will come about.rant about politics elsewhere.
>>743247760The “establishment” is contextual. A breakaway society can be anti-establishment relative to the old world and still become the establishment inside its own sphere.A revolutionary movement becoming a ruling order is not a contradiction. That is literally how many revolutions mutate into regimes.
>>743247840he was literally one of the founding members of the patriots. holy shit you're dumb
>>743248006>communism at its heart is a cult of retards blindly tearing down society to rebuild it shittier we want this economic model to be a government model so fucking bad
>>743248006>communism at its heart is a cult of retards blindly tearing down society to rebuild it shittierCount me the fuck in.
>>743248028"establishment" is just another way of saying status quo. boss created an outlier to the establishment. he never became the establishment.
>>743248006>communism at its heart is a cult of retards blindly tearing down society to rebuild it shittierI am a communist now
>>743212567Big Boss and Venom Snake are not the same person, did you even play the game?
>>743248235Status quo and establishment overlap, but they are not identical.A breakaway power can be outside the global status quo while still becoming an establishment in its own domain. “Establishment” means the entrenched ruling order of a given system. It does not have to mean “the one globally dominant system.”By MG1, Big Boss controls several controls, is effectively a trillionaire, has a cult of followers willing to die, has soldiers all over the world. He is a fucking establishment
>>743248376*several countries I meant
>>743248376a small, fringe outlier group might be considered "an establishment" but not "the establishment." colloquially, when one refers to a thing as "anti-establishment", we're speaking of "The" establishment, not any/all establishments. are you done with your dumb semantics game?
>"Zanzibar Land was a democratic military regime that suddenly appeared in Central Asia in 1997. When their uprising took place, the CIS army, formed around Russia, sent a suppressive unit immediately. Zanzibar Land resisted by gathering a band of mercenaries from nations around the world and fortifying most of its land. [...] Due to the active role mercenaries played, this war was called The Mercenary War, and Zanzibar Land was referred to as an armed fortress nation. A military nation with a group of strong mercenaries, surrounded by a tough fortress... [...] By obtaining OILIX in addition to nuclear weapons, Zanzibar Land was trying to establish its economic and military superiority over the entire world." - MGS1 Special Menu - Previous OperationsDemocratic military regime as of 1997>Population: 40,000>Area: 450 square km>Capital: Zanzibar>Governmental System: Republic>Head of the State: Unknown>Political Party: One-party rule by Zanzibar Land Party>Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake - User's ManualRepublic, one-party rule in 1999
strangelove was outta line
>>743239156>its the US fault that communist countries have pisspoor management and administrations that care only about extracting as much wealth and resources from its citzens with zero returnReminder Maduro kicked out specialist bio engineers that worked on venezuelan crude to put his incompetent cronies in place and wondered why performance lowered, its a kleptocracy, LATAM socialist narcostates are funded by their own drug trade alongside Brasil and China pumping money into them, one out of ideology and the other as an investment because they know socialists/communists are just greedy thieves that achieve nothing>>743239152Failed ideology followed by failed "men", true communists know its all bullshit and are just in it for themselves and their own specific goals
>>743248778so they had elections in 1997? vote big boss? make zanzibar land great again
>>743241358maybe incorporate a social stealth element? idk
>>743248710. . . Except Big Boss is not a small fringe group you retard.Have you seen MGS4? The entire world is literally shaped by his will.Big Boss is anti-Patriot establishment, but not anti-establishment in principle. He creates a rival authoritarian order.You're playing a dumb semantics game tbqh.
>>743212464>This nigga was the Hitler/Napoleon of his timebased
>>743248913cultists don't have the brains to think about what you are saying.they are programmed to emotionally react to words, nodding and clapping like trained seals when the right words are used in thought terminating cliches.>>743248960>retarded communist does the NO U after getting called out for his retardation
>>743249045>>retarded communist does the NO U after getting called out for his retardation?????Outer Heaven is an establishment.
>>743212464Do you guys think Kojimbo actually votes or does he get all his politics from his favorite American movies?
>>743218930>no no no maos policies being absolutely retarded is because of capitalism>maduro being a high on prozac schizo who thinks hes god is because of capitalism and not because he ran out everyone from his country and ran down their state companies to the ground>its americans fault that Cuba keeps their people in perpetual misery and repeatedly attacks its own people with excessive violence anytime they demand the absolute minimum, it was Americans that forced Cuba to cash in on 80% of the money cuban doctors made while stationed in Brasil so they would stay poor and not be able to migrateI hate you dishonest deluded low IQ scum so much, thank god retarded mutts like you are the first to die when FARCS take charge because you legit believe this bullshit and you dont have any articulation, skill or relevance to be a card carrying party member
>>743248960>Have you seen MGS4? The entire world is literally shaped by his will.huh? the world in mgs4 is under patriot control. the patriots are "the" establishment.
>>743249189>no no no maos policiesnot related to communism's economic model, didn't read the rest but my eyes drifted down and i saw "dishonest deluded low IQ scum mutt" and had a good belly-laugh
>>743249107>continues to (badly) play shitty word gamesthat other anon had you pegged lmao
>>743249737nta but thanks for proving my earlier pointyou saw the programmed trigger words, reacted emotionally, and you cult programmed kicked in and you stopped reading before DANGEROUS truths might have made you think about anything
>>743249979"programmed trigger words" from a "man" that keeps insisting economic theory is a model of government is very funny
>>743249737Economic models ARE part of policy you retarded uneducated subhuman nigger, no wonder you buy into communism you cant make past 1st grade readingI swear to god, you cuckolds wouldnt make it into any STEM course>didnt read the restYou did, you just cant refute anything i said so you pretend to be indifferent or ignorant, i reject your facade, i know what kind of "man" you are, a failure just like your ideology
MGS is a game about Hitlerism
>>743212464Hey cool I kind of did the same thing. Interested in the secrets of antimatter generation?
>>743235694>I am quite fond of Diazepam
>>743212464>This nigga was the Hitler/Napoleon of his timeI wonder what kind of analphabetism is needed to think these two are even related
Just got here but can some one explain what exactly is so bad about being Right Wing Authoritarian?Right Wing relative to what anyway, isn't Right Wing in MGS conserving the Patriot Order?
>>743212464It's about how trying to break away from the state system where people are used as pawns for the benefit of the elite, you illiterate moron.
>>743253714>where people are used as pawns for the benefit of the elite,Like Venom and Big Boss....I swear to fucking god you morons cant comprehend that big boss is a hypocrite..He is the VERY THING he claims not to be
>>743212496>"Some of you guys are alright">"Don't come to Mother Base tomorrow"The lead up to MGSV on /v/ was the best thing about that game.
>>743253953It's almost as if, Big Boss became a villainWOW REALLY MAKES YOU THINK
>>743253953Explain how what anon said and big boss being a hypocrite are mutually exclusive.
>>743212547>H-HOW???WHOOOOOOO?
>>743253595>Just got here but can some one explain what exactly is so bad about being Right Wing Authoritarian?First of all, consider that there are no good guys in the MGS universe. There are only factions and their opposite factions.In the context of MGS, Big Boss' right wing authoritarian faction is 'evil' only in comparison, but they are also 'good' only in comparison. This goes for every faction in the MGS universe.For example, Big Boss' faction is a megalomaniac James Bond villain style organization but their enemy is XOF, who is also the same but they murder for a lot less. Thus in this faction war, Diamond Dogs are the 'good guys'.However, by the time Outer Heaven fully materializes, Big Boss is threatening the world with nuclear weapons. In this case, Big Boss are now the 'evil' faction.But wait.. He was rebelling against the Patriots AI system and their method of controlling the world through post-political methods of mass brainwashing, economic control and worldwide forever-wars.So in this sense.. Big Boss' faction are the 'good guys'This is the crux of it. Everything exists in relation to other factions. There are no good guys.
>>743212464>starts a right-wing authoritarian militaristic corporationBig Boss was anti war and anti government, the literal opposite of a right wingerhe just really like America as a country
>>743215240
>>743249357the AI controlling the world is literally built on BB's personality ans "will"
>>743256137every character in the MGS is strictly blandly apolitical
>BB was le alt right/pol/ please fuck off back to your shithole, everyone who played MGS knows that BB was anti patriots, and war, anti racism, anti borders, anti corpo etc...he literally build a Haven that every race and religion could join
>>743256137holy reddit spacing >>743256438It's built on Zero's interpretation of the BOSS's will. Go play the games
>>743256589Zero media literacy: the post
>>743256626no you go play the game, the AI were doing everything that BB wanted the world to be until they went rouge a few years before the events of MGS4the AI's goal was to shape the world on BB's will>>743256678>media literacygo back
>>743256519>every character in the MGS is strictly blandly apoliticalRead this:>“not having a party manifesto” =/= “not being political.”>>743214159>>743214574>>743214159>>743215260>>743214159
>>743256270>Big Boss was anti war and anti government,... He was pro war. His vision for the world is literally a worldwide, forever-war where soldiers can have purpose. You can only have soldiers if there is war.>anti government. . .He was anti 'other' goverment, but he literally ruled his own countries.
>>743257180just because you keep repeating it doesn't make you correct
>>743257449If you decided to build your own private army tomorrow and threaten the world with nukes, how are you NOT political?You are literally operating at the highest level of politics. You are threatening the world and forcing everyone to your policies. In other words, politics.If Big Boss was truly apolitical he would've retired and become a fisherman.Retard
>>743257271did you not play MGS4 where he said how misguided and wrong he was and basically said that war is never goodhe only wanted to help soldiers find peace
>>743212464isnt this sort of the plot of death stranding too? the mules found ways to live outside of UCA territory and they gaslight sam to exterminate their culture.
>>743256776This is just wrong. The AI's are Zero's making (the patriots) based on THE BOSS, not BIG BOSS. Big Boss was antagonistic to Zero (The Patriots) and that's why Zero destroyed BB every chance he got and put him on ice.
>>743257612>did you not play MGS4 where he said how misguided and wrong he was and basically said that war is never good>he only wanted to help soldiers find peace...Yes before he died, he did admit he was wrong for wanting a forever war and comitting genocide..That does not refute anything I said however.
>>743229191Left wingers don't really want socialism, they just want utopia, which is whatever isn't now (capitalism).Just keep destroying the system and humanity, and pray to mother nature that something "better" will come out of the violence and decay.
MGSV ruined the whole BB story line with that medic bullshit.
>>743215240You "people" are so fucking crazy.If only we lived in the fantasy reality you schizos live in.
>>743258064its impossible to have any type of coherent discussion with right wing people because they cannot have a discussion on its own merits strictly separate from their own beliefs and feelings
i never hear about this alt right wing bullshit until the 2016 elctionfaggots flooded this shithole before 2016 alt righters were literal skinheads retards that larped as nizis
I would like everyone in this thread to answer two questions:What is the essence of the right wing? (What quality do all and only right wing movements have?)What is the essence of the left wing?Thank you.
>>743258926right wings is sucking government and corpo cockleft wing is sucking tranny and faggot cocknow its up to you to decided what is more degenerated and pathetic.
>>743212746That's when he's naive, because once he gets mad that big gubbermint told him to kill mummy, he fucks off to do his own thing for money, doesn't matter if it's commie or anti-commie.
>>743241269I think he had a clear vision for meme, gene, and scene parts of the series. the rest was as you've said, 4 being a fuck-you statement to fans and 5 his jaded attempt at making a non-movie game with a rich story, but konami fucked him over so the story part was left unfinished. but a lot of his creative energy does comes from what he reads, listens to, and watches, meaning a bunch of books (mostly fiction), music, and movies. when he made MGS3, he probably thought more about james bond movies and the culture of the 60s than metal gear solid lore. I think he has really good taste, he watches a lot of artsy european movies and old classical stuff, he just likes to act like he's obsessed with hollywood slop to get some points on twitter among americans. most of his praise for that normie shit is fake or ironic or him being polite to his hollywood friends.
>>743258926In the context of MGS, Big Boss is firmly right wing due to his hero-cult and corporatist stance.The corporatist stance is important, because right wing ideology wants to naturalize, or intensify hierarchy, order, authority, tradition, property, nation, discipline, or elite rule.IN this case, Big Boss wanted a soldier-ocracy. A world ruled by elites that fight in wars.By contrast, Left-wing politics tends to flatten or challenge inherited hierarchies and expand egalitarian participation. (atleast in theory)
>>743259274>AI summarykill yourself jeet
>>743259329Do I sound like AI?La li lu le lo?
>>743212464All this shit pretty much happened and Big Boss is really quite the hippie
>>743259274>corporatist stancethis is also how you spot a right winger, they freaking love using AI
solid snake was the only one to understand the boss's will and he doesn't even know about herbig boss did everything wrong
>>743259274So the right wing is about hierarchy, and the left wing about equality?Thank you, literally the only intelligent and coherent fucking post in this thread. I don't think hero worship is limited to the right wing, because the racial equality movement also has it's "heroes", like MLK and such. But I still agree with the former point.
>>743259274Yep, and the fun thing with Big Boss too is that he personally invents most of the military hardware and datastructure that goes i to the PATRIOTS. DARPA and Strangelove may have made the AI, but Big Boss invented the war economy, soldiers without nations, and soldier ID especially through Miller and Huey. Big Boss is responsible for a lot
HAS ANYONE HERE READ THE WORKS OF WILLIAM S BURROUGHSPARTICULARLY THE CUT-UP TRILOGY THE SERIES IS BASICALLY BASED ON THEM
>>743259212V is about the success case of human brainwashing, its massively in-theme
What are you sayin we some kind of soft machine?
>>743214551PW isn't a heroic tale though, it's supposed to be Naked Snake's downfall, the game literally has Snake brainwashing a child soldier with his Guvera-like charisma.Kojiumbo is anti-war above everything, and he wouldn't support armed insurrection even if it's for an ideology he supports.
>>743259928sure, on the surface level with vengeance being the core theme. but there's a whole iceberg of colonialism, linguistic subjugation, ethnic erasure, etc. underneath.
Outer Heaven is anarchist. The Patriot is authoritarian.The entire message of MGS is The Boss saying "please stop this faggy ideology autism and be normal".
>>743250256communism ISNT an economic theory :)its a cult built on a man child's frustration, retardation, and openly admitted REFUSAL to try and understand economics, goverment, and the complex logistical and social systems that make up any functional society.And then someone with half a brain whips the retarded cultists into a self-destructive frenzy every now and then and ruins a bunch of things.And then the cultists say>uhhhhhhhh DOESNT COUNT!and prepare to do it all over again.Kind of like how big video game companies kept trying to push shit in games we don't like and don't buy :)
When someone tells you that Metal Gear is their favourite game franchise what do you think of them?
>>743260564Right, not saying it doesn't have other themes, but V is the final counterpoint to the series-long question 'what controls a man, what is the secret to making a copy of another man?' and V's answer is 'total body and mind remaking, combined with the twisted consent of the clone.' Essentially, absolutely heinous life destruction of someone so loyal they would actually sacrifice their lives to be the subject, or keep the subject alive. There is definitely something admirable to Medic's Christ-like undertaking of Big Boss' charge, and in a good playthrough his protectionism over all soldiers, but he's kind of a total victim of the asshole he worships and the whole operation is heinous behavior
>>743261032>anarchist>military state ran by a dictator
I'm so fucking mad you rubes just stop at Metal Gear and haven't read any of the literature this stuff comes from
https://youtu.be/W2BtNuuZ7Bg
>>743261214add them to my friend list
>>743261214I wouldn't think negatively of them for that, they're very good games. Guess I'd ask what aspect of them they like most, and which one is their favorite.
>>743261504Outer heaven is voluntary. The soldiers love and idolize BB and they aren't forced to stay
>>743258926It’s a meaningless debate. The founding fathers would’ve been considered leftist in their time and rightist in our time. It’s all contextual.
>>743261854Surely you can't be this simple
>>743261854And I can deport them at will, even all the men. Shoot men in the head in fact save the women, hit them and they'll thank me for it. Anime girl posters of dead child spy. Loving Boss under the white hot skies of Seychelles, flopping in soiled linens
>>743254490Whoa. But I thought le “I want a world where soldiers can kill people without being political tools” man was le based and rational good guy…
>>743261854>The soldiers love and idolize BB and they aren't forced to stay>anon missed the brainwashing and torture scenes in MGSVIn Peace Walker, soldiers joined and stayed vooluntarily because their incentives aligned with Big Boss (He was helping the Sandinistas with their revolution AND the mercenaries join BB because they were treated better + Snake is an icon)By the time of MGSV, its cult worshipping, brainwashing and drugging. IF that didnt work, coercion + torture.
READ NAKED LUNCH YOU STUPID NIGGERSYES ITS GAY BUT SO IS OCELOT
>>743261504yeah, he is a bit more of an anarchro capitalist than anarch left, but he dabbled in anarch left cause too (Che Guevara phase).BB has his own army but he is not a dictator, he supports soldiers fighting for their own cause, so if you want to make an army with a purpose to eradicate trannies, he supports it, if you want to make an army with a purpise to eradicate chuddies, he supports it.If both sides wants to kill eachother he supports that too, because that is in the spirit of Outer Heaven, if that's not anarchy I don't know what is.
>>743262682You’ll have to define anarchist because either you’re using a proprietary definition or you don’t actually know what that word means.
>>743213554>nazi>national socialist>right wing
>>743262682>he supports soldiers fighting for their own causeNo he doesn't, all the soldiers he commands fight only his causes. Some of his friends get to do side missions. He has his cronies but he commands an army and nobody gets to go AWOL. At best we can say Big Boss assumes all his soldiers want to fight for his ultimate cause of freeing soldiers, but no they really do just go where you tell them to and no where else. We don't even have a system to check if they're firing against those they are sympathetic to
>>743262617Fuck William Burroughs and fuck you too
>>743212496the retarded plot of V made everyone a dumbass for whatever reason. hate how kojima says but never shows shit, we don't see huey stuffing strangelove in the pod, we don't get tapes of him and skull face and we don't get to see his son cucking him either. huey gets sent on a tiny boat while Kaz (an actual traitor) gets to seethe at mother base
>>743262881Venom is a Cut-Up Man, just saying!!!
>>743262024they literally salute BB as he executes them
>>743262460NTA but V is the part where Kojumbo showed BB's hypocrisy, him dabbling in glowie tactics himself to go against the big glowie government.He's only doing it to attain his goal though, his goal is the world of MGS4 but without AI intervention, just pure fighting for the sake of fighting.His end goal isn't taking over the world with his army, and controling the people, in fact he wants to liberate them (for better or for worse) so he's not a militarist dictator, at least in his own ideology.
>>743263290He is the sole governing authority of Outer Haven. That makes him a dictator.
>>743212464Based
>>743262962Oh well that makes it easy! I guess you can just kidnap soldiers off the battlefield and shoot em in the head after accidentally fatally poisoning them and it's all good! Except all the ones who fucking screamed and shot at you, of course. No questions asked, it was all about how good of a business you were running, of course. And nobody ask what goes on in the brig!
>>743256270>right wing = pro warthis is just embarrassing
>>743263514And funny thing is that makes Venom a puppet dictator, kind of a specialized side operation secretly run by a board of collaborators, but in the model of the larger dictatorship
>>743259601Well the thing is, humans are biologically pro-heirarchy. They naturally form tribes and try and protect it from other tribes. So of course all politics are aristocratic in nature. The left just hides it under the veil of revolutionary thought, but from the enlightenment to communism to ESG, they were all elite movements.
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>>743262863He is building his own army so he could start his own fight, he doesn't give a shit about his soldier going AWOL to build his own army as long as you don't stand in his way, Amanda's squad is a good example of this, they temporary joined MSF during PW incident but after that they fucked off to fight their own fight elsewhere (and BB is in good terms with them, possible he aids them too).If you want to fight for BB he doesn't stop you, if you want to fight for something else, he doesn't stop you. But when his army needs a little leverage he dabbles in brainwashing that's in a wishy-washy line between charming them with charsima, or just straight up rewiring their brain, and that is BB's hypocrisy that Kojima wants to point out.How can you tell if one is REALLY wanting to fight for your cause if you were influencing their thoughts?
>>743261454>what controls a manAt its philosophical core, Hideo Kojima’s work is driven by two fundamental questions: What defines a human being? and How can we build a better world? Kojima paints his narrative canvas in stark, dark strokes. He shows us a world where humanity’s greatest technological achievements carry devastating costs. Across his stories, we witness scientific progress weaponized and corrupted: nuclear arsenals capable of total annihilation, the ethical violations of cloning, artificial intelligence systems designed for absolute societal control, and a dystopian future where warfare is merely a lucrative corporate enterprise. It is a sobering reminder of a human history written in blood and driven by a dangerous instinct for dominance.In simpler terms, the narrative is an ongoing battle between the forces of order and the inevitable pull of chaos, evil, and entropy. Crucially, this conflict is not just fought on global battlefields; it is waged internally within the characters themselves. Yet, despite this bleak backdrop, Kojima refuses to surrender to nihilism. He consistently leaves room for hope, championing the belief that humanity can find a path forward and that future generations will learn from our mistakes to do better. Death Stranding directly continues this thematic legacy, serving as a blunt, urgent warning about human extinction while still grasping for that same underlying thread of hope.
>>743263817>ones who fucking screamed and shot at youYou mean the ones enthralled by a behavior altering parasite? They were confused and demented, the soldiers that weren't understood their situation completely. You're talking about 3rd world conscripts who get the chance to go back to their shitty post, or go awol and join an army of soldiers who fight for their own causes led by a living legend.
>>743263514No Outer Heaven is not an army, it's an ideology.So the world of MGS4 where bunch of PMC's and guerillas are shooting each other, is Outer Heaven and BB obviously has no control over them because they are shooting the fuck out of each other.The problem (for BB) was that the Patroit AI where influencing this war, so Liquid (folloeing BB's will) tried to destroy the AI so people can go back to shooting each other without getting influenced by the shadow government AI.
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>>743262917To be fair they didn't see the ending of PW where BB wagging fingers at Kaz saying "You started some shit, and whatever happens you caused it!"They should at least do a basic research of a lore tho.
>>743264351Well that makes it easy! I guess you'd have to be infested by a brain parasite not to be thrilled to be shot in the head by the guy who shot you in the head with a tranq dart and took you off to an oil rig in the middle of nowhere and sends you off to kill whomever he pleases!
>>743264453Wrong, outer haven was boss’s dream of a breakaway nation state, which was later realized in the form of Zanzibar land, of which he was the sole ruler and dictator. The events in mgs4 having nothing to do with outer heaven, and it’s explicitly stated that the conflicts in 4 are part of the patriot’s war economy.
>>743265020Point being the people who weren't demented saluted big boss and allowed him to put them down without resisting. Stop being a dishonest faggot
>>743257718>isnt this sort of the plot of death stranding too? the mules found ways to live outside of UCA territory and they gaslight sam to exterminate their culture.explain
>>743265292It was just a game about how good and real the experience of fake big boss was, huh? who believes all sorts of lies and gets his information from unreliable contradictory sources in tapes and only figures out what's kind of real by listening in to the actual soldiers on the battlefield? It's just a game about how clear and just things were when he shot his own men after he took them on his base where a deadly brain parasite was unleashed?>dishonestyou're being fucking interrogated faggot
>>743266142>fake big bossI thought it was pretty obvious that this was a metaphor for boss compartmentalizing and dissociating his Pain into a Phantom figment of his psyche in the form of “Venom Snake”
>>743266510That's a very unique point and I'll take it, but I synthesize that back into the literalist stance and say Big Boss compartmentalized his Pain physically into another person. Venom not only physically tanked most of the damage for Naked Snaked, but also allowed Naked Snake a shield in sharing the title of 'Big Boss' so Naked Snake could go on committing (admittedly anti-authoritarian but still) evil by being dissociated from his past and considering his 'self' some sort of character franchise (called Metal Gear)Though now I'm thinking I like what you're saying more.
>>743266868Boss defected from the Patriots because of the Genome Project. Are we really to believe he created his own personal Genome Soldier just a decade later to advance his agenda?
>>743267335That's what I'm wondering. I take it to mean, as presented in the final tapes, that Zero and Ocelot actually built this clone together, and that Big Boss was annoyed but actually went through with the program because he is a husked out monster at that point, even if he has some decent intentions in there. I do think this is the final indictment of Naked Snake in becoming the evil Big Boss, his largest betrayal was making a Grey Fox out of his best soldier and succeeding. Not because he decided that's what he was going to do in the first place, but because it was laid in his lap and he had become someone who only sees people as weapons
>Big Boss: Soldiers across the world are used as pawns by their respective governments and are eventually tossed away whenever conflict is deemed inconvenient. I will create a nation where soldiers will always be valued and have a war to fight >"Uh guys is Big Boss capitalist or communist? My direction brain mind can't understand his views."
>>743267573makes sense if the boss that appears at the end of 4 is in fact the real boss. But that could just as easily have been a clone with implanted memories.
>>743268107Well the guy at the end of 4 is definitely a resuscitated comatose brain-torso used as some sort of computer module then grafted onto all sorts of body parts, so he's gotta be fucked but I also hold that responsible for why he's such a doddering old apologetic suicide case.
>>743267828Big Boss runs a corporation. He's not apolitical. He's a corporate warlord.
>>743268646Did he file an LLC? outer heaven inc?
>>743268646Nigga he literally gets paid by the KGB in Peace Walker and the MPLA in V. MSF/DD is just a means to an end to establish Outer Heaven
>>743269042Right, a PMC. That means Private Corporation
>>743269042Lmfao dude.What do you think happens in MGS4?
>>743212496What did he even do? I can't remember.
>>743218403>Che wasnt anti imperialist, he was against imperialism in his turf and allies, but theres no evidence that he was truly against imperialism, only that at the moment he and his ilk couldnt practice it>I know of their kind, my own country had "guerrillas" that preached about the evils of a dictatorship but really what bothered them was not a military junta but that they werent the ones in charge of it.>Never trust a single word of out a latam socialist/communist, theyre all self interested thieving scum with no empathy or humanityCorrect. Not to mention that in the wars he fought just like Fidel did. A sniper and always in the back of the line. He also died a coward. He was nothing but a faggot who wanted to kill people without the same applying to him.
>>743212464>dude did you ever figure that Big Boss ultimately becomes like a dictator of his own military state lolyeahthat's the whole fucking point and always wasyou jackass
>>743247508Retard already started wrong. Citing the birth of Western civilization with the Old Testament and doesn't even mention modern challenge to the notion of Jesus not existing at all.
>>743271497nigger
Big Boss is apolitical. He only cares about himself and his soldiers. He doesn't care about any 1 country or nation and would work for any of them or kill any of them.
>>743212496I like that people finally see this now. Crazy how the majority of players thought Huey was a traitor back in the day
To all the people denying that Outer Heaven/ Big Boss is supposed to represent a right-wing military uprising, how do you supposed Kojima and co chose a swastika to represent as logo.Kojima can be very unsubtle with symbolism, and here you have a literal right wing symbol
>>743274439>Big Boss is apolitical. He only cares about himself and his soldiers. He doesn't care about any 1 country or nation and would work for any of them or kill any of them.Again, as stated a million times:>“not having a party manifesto” =/= “not being political.”>>743214159>>743215260>>743217304>>743214159>>743257180
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>>743274617Manji is not a swastika.
>>743274661You keep saying this as if it means something.
>>743274983>You keep saying this as if it means something.If I built a massive robot that launched nukes tomorrow, I will turn into the most politically charged person until someone kills or destroys the robot.It doesn't matter that I have no manifesto. My actions are political.Is this clear enough?>>743274940Kojima put a manji/swastika-like mark on a skull emblem for Outer Heaven, a militarized death-state/cult built around a charismatic warlord. In that context, the visual coding is obvious. Its not buddhism he's evoking you retard.
>>743274661How is fuck everyone else I only care about myself a political stance?
>>743275232>How is fuck everyone else I only care about myself a political stance?>How is owning a robot that can destroy countries political>How is invading multiple nations politicalAre you retarded?
>>743275108> My actions are political.Again, you keep saying this without drawing a conclusion. It’s a meaningless statement. > Kojima put a manji/swastika-like markThis is like conflating the 5-point star used by America with the one used by the red army. Different context, different meaning. Try having some subtlety.
>>743275290>Again, you keep saying this without drawing a conclusion. It’s a meaningless statement.You're fucking retarded. Politics is not just 'ideas' its the fucking actions you take.>>743275290>Try having some subtlety.This is metal gear you retard LMFAO
>>743275362> Politics is not just 'ideas' it’s the fucking actions you take.Again, that doesn’t mean anything. You’re a brainlet. > This is metal gear you retard LMFAOYou’re cope laughing because you can’t refute.
>>743274439Didn’t Huey give XOF the mother base location?
>>743275275Thats not political though. If I will work for any side and kill any sides then its not political. If I will work for whatever directly benefits me in the moment and have no loyalty to anyone or anything other than my own direct personal benefit then its not political its just being pragmatic and self centred.
>>743270464He's in general a self-serving weasel who is hard to trust. He worked for 4 different organizations in conflict with each other, he professes absolute loyalty to whoever is standing next to him at the time, designing weapons for them, then claims he was a hostage who was forced to help whoever he was last with. In particular to Big Boss, it was his idea to let the UN investigate Mother Base, which turned out to be a surprise attack by Cipher, only for the Diamond Dogs to find him working for Skull Face a few years later "as a hostage." Basically, no one at DD trusts him, any incident that occurs that could potentially be his fault gets blamed on him. Those incidents keep piling up until they find a recording that proves that while working with Skull Face he killed Strangelove because she didn't want to use their kid as a test subject. With him being an untrustworthy wife-killer and Skull Face dead they just decide to cut ties with him altogether. He goes on to live a fulfilling life of being cucked by his nerd son, attempting to do a murder-suicide of his daughter in revenge (suicide successful, murder not).
>>743275931There is literally nothing wrong with being a self-serving weasel. Why should you give a shit about anyone but yourself? Who gives a fuck about groups and countries. Only (You) matter. Billions must die for your benefit.
>>743275572Do this quick mental exercise for me anon:Define politics.Once you do, you will see how retarded what you just said it.
>>743275442Cringe bro. GTFO
>>743276189I accept your concession
>>743275572A mercenary company saying “we have no ideology, we just take contracts” is not outside politics. It means war has been privatized. This is high level politics, as it merges macro-economics and geopolitics with post-modernist belief systems. This is politics at its highest level you fucking moron.You're so fucking retarded its insane.
>>743261178You BTFO’d him. Very nice
>>743276352>everything is politics >no, I can’t articulate how You can stop posting
>>743276112The problem is he's bad at it and never actually takes charge or controls his destiny. If you met a guy and know he's sold out at least three different groups before you, you won't trust him. He's just sucking cock with his eyes open in case a different cock to suck walks by.Meanwhile Ocelot plays 18 different illuminati agencies against each other for decades with the ultimate goal of making the world's greatest cowboy movie for his BFF. But he gets away with it because none of those agencies realize he's the one leading them on.
Venom is BiBo without the autism
>>743276720Probably, 3/5 Snakes are pretty okay with child soldiers and don't have an ounce of regret when it comes to hurting others. Only dominant gene Solid Snake and brainwashed Venom who actually have morals and develop PTSD for what they do.
>>743215591>And yes he did kill Strangelove, theres no way he didntBased on the recordings and context, I really don't think he did. I think he knew her corpse was in the Mammal Pod and lied about it out of fear and/or sadness, but I don't think he was actually responsible for her death.I think it's more likely The Boss AI killed her by luring her into the Mammal Pod and sealing the hatch. Huey is an engineer, but he's not the brains behind programming AI, that's Strangelove herself. The Boss AI, as proven in the climax of Peace Walker, has complete control of the Mammal Pod, including the access point to the AI itself. Presumably, Kaz and Ocelot forced the hatch open physically to discover Strangelove's remains. The Boss AI is functional and presumably has been for the last decade (1974-1984), and was functional during Strangelove's death.So how is it that Huey could have sealed her inside the Mammal Pod? He's a cripple, even with his clunky Frylock-tier robot legs, and The Boss AI clearly wasn't reprogrammed and could have opened the hatch if it wanted to.So where does Huey factor into these circumstances?
>>743276489>A political game about the cold war and spies is... politicalYoure retarded brother. Get out of here.
>>743277454You keep reaffirming my argument and you’re too dumb to even realize it.
>>743277514>You keep reaffirming my argument and you’re too dumb to even realize it.Ok. So you're saying the metal gear games is not political. OK Got u bro.Put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger homie
Venom Snake should have been Solidus. The themes of legacy, pride and child soldiers are all his. This story could've been used to establish his pride in his heritage, as well as expand on his backstory and his purported ruthlessness and affinity for child soldiers, portaying Solidus himself as one, albeit one who is physically mid-20s to early-30s.
>>743277565>resorting to strawman argumentsIf you tried listening and understanding more, you might not be so dumb and easily dunked on.
>>743275232How is it not?
>>743277769It would make a lot more sense for them to have burned venom’s body in 4. But obviously hideo was making shit up as he went.
>>743278345>It would make a lot more sense for them to have burned venom’s body in 4. But obviously hideo was making shit up as he went.It wouldnt. Venom does not share genetic data with the other Snakes.
Favorite playstyle?
>>743216132E.E.
>>743279307So? Do you think Snake did a DNA test on the burning corpse?
Communism is horseshit, and any MGS game after Portable Ops is non-canon.
>>743212464I'm nuclear.I'm wild.
Just give us Fox Engine MG1 already.
>>743279849based stinger
>>743279787.. you retard, the point of solidus by that stage is so big boss can have organ transplants from a genetic clone. Kill yourself retard
>>743280718What does that have anything to do with what I said? Listen first before answering.
>>743280812...............Why would it be more logical in MGS4 for the clone to be venom when it is explicitly stated they needed Solidus for organ transplants.You NEED COMPATIBLE GENETIC DATA SO YOUR BODY DOESNT REJECT ORGANSFUCKING MORON HOLY SHIT
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>>743281183That doesn’t make sense though. Liquid snake was already a clone of Big boss. Why would he need solidus’s body?
>>743256626eat my dick super new fag.
>>743281452>That doesn’t make sense though. Liquid snake was already a clone of Big boss. Why would he need solidus’s body?. . . Because everyones body is mangled and Big Boss needed parts from all his clonesFucking retard
>>743276971>The Boss AI clearly wasn't reprogrammed and could have opened the hatch if it wanted to.The last recording of Strangelove has her admit to reprogramming the Boss AI to fit Zero's will. Even then, what motive would the AI have to kill Strangelove? Someone still had to physically force her inside the pod and then the pod closes. Strangelove was calling for Huey implying that he was there and could have done something about it. So whether he pushed her into the pod or she fell into it, he was complicit in her death by not doing anything about it. He lies multiple times afterward to cover it up.
>>743215240I fucking WISH that orange wall kissing limpdick faggot was the gigachad boogeyman figure you guys make him out to be because if he was, faggots like you will be hanging from the lamp posts while hassan's decapitated head will hang on a stick like his ancestors.
>>743212464>literally literal literallyWhy are you like this?
>>743265095He wanted the entire world to have more breakaway nation state though that's independent from him.
>>743275931You don't need to be loyal to the workplace to get a job anon.Also most of the time he's put in a position where he's threatened to work.Him killing his wife lacks evidence, and it's completely unrelated to the crime he's accused of, and it's only brought up to shift opinions in the court. Besides, since when did we care about Strangelove? She herself is a psycho science bitch herself, and she's willing to work (including dirty work like torture) for anyone who funds her lesbian fantasy. Even if the employer is Epstein I 100% believe she'd work for him.
>>743282313NTA but>AI is more of prototype Patoriot AI than the altruistic Boss AI from PW due to it getting reprogrammed with Zero's will>Acusers are all connected to Cipher>The only evidence of this crime is whitness testimony from this totally not suspicious AI>The recording sounds like it has been cut and editedidk but that sounds suspicious as fuck
