so let me get this straight. i'm supposed to hate these guys and see them as evil because they wanna get rid of a dangerous gang that routinely murders, robs, and overall preys on innocent people all over the country for decades?
those pinkotons fellers weren't better themselves
>>743231027yes they were? maybe not the organization as a whole, even that's debatable, but ross, fordham and ESPECIALLY milton were infinitely morally superior
Yes.
>>743231162nope, that's actually the argument the main story is trying to make that arthur was actually le good man all along and the real monster is civilization (at least according to dutch). i'm making the opposite argument. that the agents who went after them were the good guys
>>743230780>play the outlaw game >"wtf you mean to tell me we're supposed to root for the outlaws and not the security forces coming to kill us?!"yeah you stupid fuck
>>743231424>yeah why think? why form your own opinion? just listen to the devsgreat idea
why do you post this daily
>>743231492Your opinion is retarded, no much point in entertain it further than to call you a retardyou retard
>>743231896solid argument
>>743230780>guyz the proto glowies are le good!Begone.
>>743232229They literally are. The suck only came about when they stopped going after serial killers, and communists in the 2000s.
>>743230780The Pinkertons were the same thing but with badges and immunity from consequences
you were supposed to hate them for having a bad personality and doing comically evil deeds. their ideology was basically something lifted from better works of storytelling and a video game story is certainly not gonna do justice at morally challenging it.
Even if Dutch’s gang is a bunch of hypocritical bandits, there’s still really no reason to love corpo goons who torture, carry out extrajudicial executions and work as muscle for robber barons strongarming their financial interests against common people.
>>743230780First and foremost, it's designed to let you have fun and LARP as a cowboy because (and unfortunately) RDR is the closest thing we'll get to a proper cowboy game because le heckin racisms is the prime dedicing factor in whether or not shit gets made today.As far as these jackasses go, they're designed to make you think that law enforcement goes after criminals who do wrong and take your attention away from the real life accounts that they not only do anything but this, but also only exist to make sure the filthy poors and commoners don't step on the toes of anyone important.
>>743231492>Micah i reckon these poc folx of color are onto something... maybe black lives do matter, ya hear?
>>743230780if they were genuine good guys they would take these known gangs down. instead they influence these gangs into certain direction to do their bidding, disregarding all the lives lost in the process. they are reaping the benefits of operating outside the boundaries of laws while pushing their sins on these outlaws.
>>743230780Deconstrctive Reddit thread. Move along people.
Remember when the real Pinkerton tried suing for royalties?
>>743234378They're still around?
>>743234416>During the 20th century, Pinkerton rebranded itself as a personal security and risk management firm. The company has continued to exist in various forms to the present day; it is now a division of the Swedish security company Securitas AB, operating as Pinkerton Consulting & Investigations, Inc., doing business as Pinkerton Corporate Risk Management The former Pinkerton Government Services division, PGS, now operates as Securitas Critical Infrastructure Services, Inc.
>>743231226The game doesn't do this at all. It's in the title. It's called Red Dead REDEMPTION.Arthur was bad. He tried to be good, but he also had to come to peace with being bad and try to right some of his wrongs.
>>743231226Autism
>>743230780no you see you don't understand these gangsters are the non racist kind so all their crimes are excused, they just misunderstood
The gang is not hecking racist ad sexist like everyone else in that time period tho
>>743232649what comically evil deed do they even do?Like they figure out where your camp is, could have set up an ambush then and there and instead chose to offer your gang an INCREDIBLY lenient deal: amnesty in exchange for giving up Dutch Virtually every person present there was wanted for serious crimes, they didn't even ask you to give up your loot, the gang could have gone back to Blackwater and picked up the loot from that as wellIt's only after you throw that generous deal into their faces that they start using lethal force, and even then, what do they do, they ambush you during a bank robberyAFTER you already killed several people during a previous bank robbery, AFTER you killed several police officers and multiple innocent bystandards with your trolley stunt Seriously people yap about how devastating it is Lenny got shot out of nowhere but they fail to understand why it happens: because what happens to Lenny YOU have been doing to equally undeserving people the entire god damn game
>>743230780Are they trying to expel the Jews?
>>743230780no in the heckin story arthur is a good boy that never killed any person. also he gets raped.in the gameplay YOU killed people so you are the evil personnavigation dislocation or something
>>743231226>according to dutchBut Dutch is evil?
>>743235742>also he gets rapedMy condolences to you that you decided to make this choiceHomo
>>743231162The opposite of this is true because nowadays every retard with no empathy thinks they're very special for loudly procraiming their refusal to consider the universe does anything but revolve around themselves.>ME ME ME it's what I want ME ME ME
>>743235848thanks man, it's such a tragic story. I cried when his camp mates laugh at him walking limply as his asshole was full of cum
>>743234723says who?
>>743232369>when they stopped going after [...] communistsThey never went after communists. They've toppled plenty of democracies just to enrich the US.
>>743231078morally superior men wouldnt intimidate someone while they are fishing with a small child.
>>743236248The best chance they had to give their offer, even if there were other 5 criminals hiden ready to shot they wouldn't because the kid was around.Just talking about RDR2, Ross on RDR was a huge piece of shit.
>>743230780Why can't low iq understand that they aren't playing as a hero? why can't they comprenhend something so basic? lack of reasoning?
>>743230780Dutch's gang was a Manson family cult.
>>743235905dutch, lenny, arthur, charles, sean i think?
>>743232404They weren't evil, the people paying them were. They were just tools, like a gun. If no one touches the gun, is perfectly harmless. It can be wielded for good or for evil. No one blames the people hiring them like they should.
>>743231492at what point in the game do the devs explicitly tell you that you must hate the pinkertons?
>>743234416Didn't they get sent to some eceleb over some edrama somewhat recently?
>>743238020In the case of people on here it's unironically autism. They're spergs that don't understand nuance.
>picking the obvious villain sideI bet you are a IRGC supporter
>>743232404Name one time the pinkerton stole entire bags of money and killed half the town on their way out.
>>743239854https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountainhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Labor_Warsetc.
>>743234532When did he actually try to be good in any meaningful way? He doesn't really change at all all the way up to his death. Even the parts that the game tries to frame as "righting wrongs" are actually more psycho massacre rampages, like breaking his fellow mass murderer John out of prison.
>>743238020Because Arthur's a moralizing and self-justifying prick even before his TB kicks in, and the game treats his opinions as correct rather than deluded.
>>743230780No, you're supposed to hate them because they're Pinkertons.
>>743240416>Block people who want to go in the mine>Beat them>Cops get involved and tell them to stop>They beat the cops>They kill the cops>They still beat anyone who try to work in the mineThis is not standing for worker's rights. This is plain criminality. They get much less than they fucking deserve. Do you see the machine gun on a cart that the Pinkertons had in the swamp? That's what they deserved. And if I was the one doing it yo you, you too would want me to be machingunned.
>>743240770>the game treats his opinions as correct rather than deludedLmao no it doesnt, gamers just lack the media literacy to look at a story and recognize when people are hypocritical and in the wrong unless the game goes out if its way to very obviously spell it out for the player, and even then some retards will be like "that person was right!"
>>743240926Calling Pinkertons cops implies they were anything more than muscle for rich capitalists to push their workers around.
>>743240926When the system becomes nothing but opression and exploitation, criminality is the only correct response
>>743231226Man, media literacy is dead.This generation is fucked. Future too.I bet he used a guide to get past the bioshock and skyrim puzzels
>>743240934The game literally has a good and evil meter. You don't need a whole lot of media literacy to see what the game considers good and what it doesn't.
>>743240926>a couple of loser faggots kowtow to entitled wealthy retards>not deserving of getting their asses beatkeep licking the pawpads of the guard dogs of the rich, cunt
>>743241152The meter moves based on hilariously binary choices such as "shoot the man in the face for no reason" or "dont rob the man who's life you just saved"
>>743235896you forget the frog image, retard
>>743241152RDR2 has taught me there's no amount and kind of wrongdoing that couldn't be forgiven by letting enough fish back to the lake I just caught them from.
>>743230780>i'm supposed to hate these guys and see them as evil because they wanna get rid of a dangerous gang that routinely murders, robs, and overall preys on innocent people all over the country for decades?No, you're supposed to sympathize with the gang of criminals because the entire game is spent humanizing them and showing that they're people too
>>743230780You are supposed to see the events of a game through the eyes of the protatonist, yes.
>>743241676Micah was the most likeable and human one of the lot. Yeah he's an evil bastard just like the rest of them, but being less hypocritical and sanctimonious puts him one step ahead.
>>743240770Unless he disagree with Girlboss. If Girlboss want vengence, then vengence is good, no matter what the game told you the entire time. >>743240976Were non unionized workers allowed inside the mine? If not, this is plain criminality and they deserved strength which you misstook for brutality. >>743240989Were the unionized workers free to go work anywhere or to create their own job? Or to live on their own? The answer to that is yes, so they were not resisting oppression but being the oppression. >>743241152>Bounty hunters come after you >You shoot their horses so nobody have to die>Badboy points>You kill the men>No badboy points>They have a dog>Shooting the dog give badboys>Making your horse run over the dog don't
>>743241415The strawberry massacre can be morally offset by about a dozen "Howdy" or "Hey there"s.
>>743241962That fella who killed half the town last week entered my shop.I know that he did nothing but to fish small fishes and to release them since. I will give him a 50% discount on everything.
>>743232369>They literally are
>>743241884You're a fucking retard and should kill yourself.
>>743239673>t. Fuck off back to /pol/ and stay in /ptg/ you migger subhuman.
>>743230780>they wanna get rid of a dangerous gang that routinely murders, robs, and overall preys on innocent people all over the country for decades?The government does all of those things too except when they prey on innocent people it's allowed under the law. How is the Van Der Linde gang robbing a bank any different from Uncle Sam stealing your money with taxes?
>>743236248that's an absolutely absurd way of thinking that leads directly to bad people using children as human shields
>>743242307Not an argument. If I and my friend block a bridge until I am given something, and if I assault everybody who try to pass and kill the police when they want to make me leave, I will get shot. And you would to. As you should.
>>743234416Nothing ever changed. Starbucks calls them in to run COINTELPRO shit every time four or five baristas start thinking they have rights.
>>743235896Sure seems the universe revolves to fuck me
>>743242527I'm not arguing with you, retard. I'm telling you to kill yourself because you're a waste of flesh.The Epstein class use this tactic to get what they want constantly, yet killing them would be "wrong."
>>743242389We will never have no one stealing from us, so the better we can hope for is to have only one gang to steal from us. Dutch didn't started an independance movement, so if he is here we have two sides stealing from us.
>>743242707The unions that blocked the roads are only less sucessfull than Eipstein. They are doing the same thing, just at a much smaller scale. >Hurr this criminal organization that would kill me without shame or regrets is on my side, not like the others
>>743242957No, uniting with the people with whom you live and work in order to better your conditions, and subsequently the conditions of the community, are not the same as those who do nothing but extract and leave for dead, or just outright kill.I also said Epstein class, not just the Mossad child-rapist himself.
>>743243210You forgot the part where they beat and kill people who are not part of the union for doing what the union does not want to be done.
>>743243660Yes, if you actively go against the needs and good of the many then you should face consequences. Your selfishness does not entitle you to bring harm to a community.I wish someone would beat and kill you.
>>743243791Wasn't the "good of the many" the cheap coal mined by non-union workers fuelling the economic advancement and industrialisation of the whole nation?
>>743243791>The union is 0,1% of the county>If you go against their greed they will murder youThe capitalists are not good, but in comparison...
>>743241143>media literacy is deadOh no, not the heckin pseudo intellectuals that insist upon themselves!
>>743234416Yes and they were recently sent by magicthegatheringA guy ordered for cards online, MtG sent by error cards from the new unreleased set, instead of asking it back, they sent the pinkertons to harass the man
>>743244164Wow, it's almost as if that coal could've still been mined and technological advancement still taken place, but with local communities enriched and stabilized instead of all of that money going into the pockets of robber barons. >>743244253>Billionaires make up <0.0001% of the population>If you go against their greed they will murder you and capture every system that exists to effectively oppose themGood comparison!
>>743244426I don't recall Mr Bigboss assaulting me on my way to work. Have it hapened to you? Or are you lying? Criminals belong in jail, I don't care what they use to disguise their actions. >>743244426>It does not affect everyone when energy cost are high.You are the reason why republics are great but democracies can only fail.
>>743244741Maybe the energy costs wouldn't be so high if Mr. Bigboss didn't need 70% profit margins on the coal?You're right, criminals belong in jail, so why are all of America's corporate executives not in jail for wage theft, bribery, unfair/unsafe labor practices, etc.?
>>743244840Coal profit margins were incredibly low in that era in America, that's part of the reason why those sorts of conflicts started heating up.
>>743230780You are that dangerous gang, dummy
>>743244840It's 70% only before they pay for everything that isn't labor or machinery. https://csimarket.com/Industry/industry_Profitability_Ratios.php?ind=601Today's coal industry have a 49% margin. This is big, right? Wrong. Their real margin is 1,4%. >You're right, criminals belong in jail, so why are all of America's corporate executives not in jail for wage theft, bribery, unfair/unsafe labor practices, etc.?Because if one of them take less than the other, everybody buy from him and he make less % on a bigger cake. This automatically reduce the stealing to a minimum and we still haven't found a way to do anything without them.
>>743230780Yeah, but the gang of violent murderers and thieves are not racist or sexists so that makes them the good guys for some reason.
>>743230780Play RD1 it was far more accurate to how they were. They were literal private mercenary thugs rather than detective agency
>>743230780>Actually using a PMC on civilians is good and GDQ is bad for not taking Saudi moneyShithole board for Hindu practitioners.
>>743245145They were not, you are just outright lying. Railroad empires and those that owned them often captured coal mining operations and exploited them drastically for great profit.>>743245349The coal industry is dead, and only a couple of very wealthy corpses are trying to keep it going. Also Germany because those kraut fucks did away with all their nuclear.>We still haven't found a way to do anything without themI can promise you we could drag every corporate class fuck out into the street, behead them where they stand, and society would only improve.
>>743241806Atleast micah was real about what he was
>>743232369>Rockefeller oil tycoon backed thugs with law immunity good thing
I could not give less of a fuck about any of the characters in red dead, they're all degenerate criminals. But that's what makes it fun, rockstar should go back to embracing it and let you go all out on criminal activities
>>743241806>>743245662Literally Micah
>>743230780How many innocent people do Dutch’s gang actually murder without the player’s direct involvement? Only Micah does if I’m remembering right. Even when Dutch “goes insane” he isn’t the butcher Arthur is treating him as and only kills that lady when she pulls a knife on him.
>>743245651>I can promise you we could drag every corporate class fuck out into the street, behead them where they stand, and society would only improve.This have been tried and every time it was a disaster. The best outcome is when other people take their place and do the same thing. If you think that you can do better, then stop talking and do it. Go pay your guys more, everybody wil want to work for you. Sell for less, everybody will buy from you. The evil capitalists will be left without workers nor customers. But you are not doing it. You are not doing it because you know it don't work.
>>743247213Incredibly reductive and disingenuous, you're not doing your best. Why am I not doing it? Because I don't have billions of dollars of resources/capital to expend, and even if I did, every oligarch would focus on sabotaging me at every step in order to prove that "it would never work." Better things are possible, hell, in your home country of India there's been a lot of positive unionized action, especially from coalitions of farmers. Pity that the BJP and disgusting Modi are shamelessly and openly corrupt.
>>743247815>Because I don't have billions of dollars of resources/capital to expendHo, look. As soon as it come to doing it you realize that that 70% margin is in reality a 1% margin. > every oligarch would focus on sabotaging me at every step in order to prove that "it would never work."Our economy is less open than in the 20's but it's still open enough for this to not happen.
>>743230780Ross was a bigger asshole in the first game because he was a glowie that had kidnapped John’s wife and kid. But in this it’s basically just relying on you already not liking them because they oppose you and that they are pinkertons.
>>743248119Margin has nothing to do with what you just said, you literal fucking mongoloid. I have not hoarded vast amounts of wealth, nor do I have free access to material, raw or otherwise, with which to support a society/manufacture arms, but this is not something that ONE person should be doing. If I had, I would operate as close to cost as possible. This would not even be an issue if margins were not egregiously high these days, the corporate class is robbing the entire fucking world.Yes, because the beloved three-letter agencies have not had a hand in disrupting and destabilizing every country that has tried to oppose western economic imperialism.Kill yourself.
>>743246380The Mexican guy absolutely murder people. Bill must have a 3 digit body counts. Micah... Does what Micah does.
>>743244307Yup, dead.
>>743247815>>743248402>shitposting when BTFOTop kek. That other anon is right, child. All societies are too ingrained in this way of life. East/West, Capitalist/Communist, etc. All it every is is the few on top dominate and exploit those beneath them. The lower you are the more you are exploited.
>>743231078They were proto-glowies and globohomo agents.You'd see that if you weren't blinded by your need to be contrarian.
>>743230780RDR2 is peak normalfag game, its the game your grandpa tells you is his favorite.
>>743249257Your playbook is tired, and the only thing that should be BTFO are your brains out the back of your head.>This is the way it's always been (it hasn't btw) so this is the way it'll always be!You have the mind of a slave and the intellectual capability of a dog. You've refuted nothing and debased yourself for even less.
>>743238836There's a term for the concept you're describing, an "accessory", because it turns out the law doesn't like the unregulated use of force.
>>743248402You do not them. This is a free economy. Tell everyone how good your business plan is and they will want to invest with you. But your plan won't work and you know it. >Hurr I can't start a coal mine because the CIA did a coup 40 years ago on aother continent
>>743249702Try lithium mines every year for the past 6.Your grasp on English is becoming evermore tenuous, Rajesh.
>>743245376In RDR1 they're just FBI, not Pinkertons
>>743232229Not proto-glowies, more a private security firm and investigation group. Less about shit like psyops and spying and more just being next level rent a cops. Somewhere between those and a PMC.
>>743252342They also were datamining and had files on everyone. They had dirt on every important person in the US and became a political weight. The FBI was designed on their model.
I only come to these threads for this guy.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/2tte4hzsbr7tOq6YP_1tAw/
>>743234532If Arthur wanted to be good he wouldn't continue spending the entire campaign robbing and murdering people following the orders of a madman. All he does is whimper and whine "Duuuuuuuuutch are you sure we should keep doing all this murdering and robbing? Seems preettty bad." And the morality system is laughable. Oh I said hi to people in town and occasionally gave poor people some chance im such a saint when you look past all the murder and robbing I continue to do throughout the story.
>>743234532where's the redemption? he literally needed to start fucking DYING and see his gang fall to pieces before he even has a lick of sympathy for these peoplearthur cares more about killing innocent animals than robbing people, he cares more about being a gay butt pirate than he cares about his standing in the gang>micah is so cartoonishly evil and dickish that everyone thought him betraying us was a red herring>turns out they just can't write and the racist person is actually just genuinely stupid evilthe moment he said "darkies" i thought he wouldn't be the villain, it's too obvious but apparently i'm 5000 IQ because i thought harder than rockstar
>>743230780Pete Postlethwaite looking motherfucker
>>743254336Theres nothing wrong with a blatant cartoonishly evil villain. The problem is why they kept him around so long in the first place when hes such a fuck up and a liability. And why people didn't question Dutch more.
>>743254514the gang is unreasonable>John/Arthur are career frontiersmen who can hunt, skin, and sell their catch, they can bounty hunt like the best of them, they can beat others in gun duels and otherwise make tons of money doing LEGAL THINGS>they bow to some retard who quotes books so he seems smart, the same retard who plays chess in his head against himself when he has a literal chess board>they see micah come in and do the DUMBEST shit possible while sucking dutch's cock and say nothing about it other than a few throw away lines that Dutch immediately ignores because he's a fucking retard charlatan>Dutch ignores his longest time partner so he can blow himself>Dutch routinely fucks everything up for everyone at every opportunity while also being unhinged emotionally>Dutch is so retarded that he went INTO VALENTINE right after saying how they needed to lay low and it immediately devolves into a town shoot out with dozens of people dead>we're supposed to think this guy has any smarts whatsoeverHosea doing white collar crime was right, they should have stuck to non-violent ways
>>743254836to be fair dutch and hosea taught the boys to read and write so they probably looked up to dutch as the smartest guy ever
>>743254836Dutch wanted nothing but violence the entire time. He fooled Hosea and groomed everyone into being his gunmen so he can wreck chaos on the world. It always was about vengence.
>>743252342Mate, pinkertons were the prototype version of FBI. A lot of FBI founding members and first agents were pinkerton glowies.
