how do you find new games?
I don't spaz out when someone uses AI tastefully just like I don't spaz out if someone uses spellcheck
Do people really care about AI that much? Like if I were to release a high quality game with good mechanics and stable code (because I'm a SE with 10 years xp) but used AI for the music and character portraits and some pixel art assets, would steamies still reject it? Or is it mostly the lower effort shovelware side of it that they dislike?Even though so many AAA titles they consume have exploited the same technology in some form?
>>743237795There are a lot of people with AI derangement syndrome out there unfortunately and if you disclose it at all they will spaz out and if you don't they will sleuth in your files and get you banned.
what do you mean by AI slop, like assets/textures?
I haven’t looked at new releases tab in years, Steam just isn’t a good place to discover games anymore. Easier to find recommendations elsewhere.
>>743237795No one gives a shit when a movie uses it like Young Washington. But people sperg out when a video game uses it.
>>743237795Yes. Most of them are lying hypocrites who would not care about similar or even worse instances of QUALITY if they were handmade, but yes.You could consider violating steam's AI disclosure rule if you think your work is high enough quality, but as >>743237856 says people will put a lot of effort into trying to catch you on this so I don't know if it's worth it.
>>743237563why is he wearing a woman's swimsuit
>>743237460dont pretend like you ever look in the new releases, you just consume whatever the algorithm feeds you
>>743237795Using AI for music makes me sad.>Even though so many AAA titles they consume have exploited the same technology in some form?Don't fall into the whataboutism trap, anon. Do you really want to intentionally compare yourself to cattle feed?
>>743237856>AI derangement syndromeno such thing. frankly from what I see anyone using "[thing] derangement syndrome" style phrases just want a label to slap on the people they don't like.>>743239812>AI generated slop>your workthis is some primo bait. have yourself a (You)
>>743237856>AI derangement syndromeA valid thing to have, really. I stand to gain absolutely nothing with AI besides a slightly easier work day while I still have a job while my hobbies absolutely skyrocket in price and I'm forced to wage through an utter deluge of slop and filth. For the .5% of things that use AI that actually did it well, the trade off absolutely isn't worth it
>>743240353why does using AI for music make you sad?is it because there are millions of people making zero money devoting their lives to this media, thus proving it pointless?
>>743237460I click on metroidvania and look for what I haven’t played yet.
>>743240585It makes me sad because I enjoy stumbling on obscure or esoteric music (some of which can barely be called music) and the humans behind it and there is lots and lots of stuff made by humans explicitly for the purpose of being royalty free and easy to use in vidya.>something is pointless if it isn't making you richOy vey!
>>743237795My backlog is hundreds if not thousands of games deepIf a game has generative AI usage I'm just not gonna put it on there.
>>743237795I assume if something in made with AI, if it breaks the creator has no clue how to fix itWhy would I waste money on that?
>>743237460Usually through /v/ and Steam's own recommendation algos. There are strange blind spots to it though. Steam knows I love shmups, especially CAVE style ones, yet it didn't ever tell me that Akai Katana was released years ago or that there's a Muchi Muchi Pork port coming down the pike. I had to learn about these things by following a recommendation for R Type Delta. So Steam did eventually advertise those things in an indirect way. Just not the way I expected them to, if their goal is to sell as many games as possible rather than prioritize certain vendors over others.
>>743240796They put all that music into the training of every top model, along with copyrighted music that isn't free because they can get away with it. You can literally generate something *better* with a single mouse click.
>>743241114I don't want something "better," I want something human.
>>743237795>would steamies still reject it?I would. People who use AI for half of their game aren't solo devs, they're half of one, and I won't pay for a game only half of which has been made by human effort because I fucking hate it when game devs treat writing, art, code, music, gameplay as some unimportant optional feature. I care for games that have a unified vision in ALL departments and nothing else.Besides that, you won't ever get quality with AI. You'll get the average and that's it.People who tell you using AI is OK are the people who want to be the next friendslop game ASAP instead of trying to bring their vision to life.
>>743237795It depends on how much they cope about it in the disclaimer>I used it as an autocomplete and image genned some grass textures/npc portraitsThat's fine>I'm a director and the AI is one of my subordinates. Everything it does is something I told it to, with many hours of Human testing and tweaking involvedFuck off with your sloppa
>>743241019It's a spectrum - someone using AI to generate a game from nothing will struggle, but lots of high skill engineers use it as a tool and have no problems since they're good to begin with.
>>743237795Handmade goods have always commanded a premium, now this has come to software and gamesIn the age of mass produced slop, if you do things properly with love and care people will notice
>>743241454The problem is I think the former is far more common on steam then the latter.
>>743237795Look, I'm not giving you money for something you did the bare minimum on. Your shit is worth 1/4th as much as real handmade shit the same way chinese factory slop from temu is cheap too.
seems like the real answer is to use AI so well people can't tell the difference - using AI as a first time dev and disclosing it seems like an automatic failure even if your game is great. OP is talking specifically about blatant abuse of it, but so many people in this thread are against its very existence that its not worth the risk of revealing it and being brigaded and review bombed over, even if it looks and runs great.
>>743237795Yes, because people that care about AI are gooners who only care about a visual aesthetic and hate AI because their furry porn peddlers feel their ability to abuse the mentally retarded furries will be threatened by those retards making their own low quality porn fitting their lustful desires.
>>743242427>using AI as a first time dev and disclosing it seems like an automatic failure even if your game is greatPeople keep saying this, but there's a 0% chance your first game is great, AI usage or not.
>>743237460>how do you find new games?I have over a thousand games I still need to play on Steam.Realistically, I'll only complete a few hundred of them, but anybody who doesn't have a massive backlog doesn't actually like playing games. There are SO many games out there from before the AI bullshit that anybody claiming to have "played it all" is just blatantly lying.And even then, it's easy to find new games that don't use AI. It's just a process of "looks good, check shop page, drop if it has AI".If your interests end up guiding you to AI games, you're the problem since AI is fucking ugly and used for art 90% of the time.
>>743242427>but so many people in this thread are against its very existence that its not worth the risk of revealing itIf you're a "new dev" and you use AI and try to hide it, people will figure it out pretty quickly. Steam will probably firebomb your profile too.
>>743242771lots of developers have amazing first releases. most great indie games on steam have only that game under the developer's steam page. i'm sure they had a lot of prototypes of side projects leading up to that single good game, but "first release" is what I was referring to.
>>743242427>just don't disclose that your burgers are made of bugsThis is exactly WHY people don't like AI. Are you idiots this tone deaf to why people don't like you?
>>743243131Now go find 3 otherwise amazing first releases that got trashed for having AI. I'm not talking "it's not that bad', i'm talking "Hollow Knight / Necrodancer / Stardew Valley" kind of games that used AI in their development.
>>743243228That's how the world works though - you're already experiencing it on some level and don't realize it.The water you drink, the clothes you wear, the food you eat, the air your breathe - its all harmful to you in someway due to a non-disclosure of a capitalistic entity protected by apathy and compliance. In just a few short years, game development is going to be in the same state. The quality will be indistinguishable from what the average furry lefty can pump out that you'll be consuming it whether you like it or not (AAA is already doing this - if you've bought anything from any "major" legacy developer, from blizzard to bungie to R* you're eating the burger made of bugs)
>>743243567>if you've bought anything from any "major" legacy developer, from blizzard to bungie to R* you're eating the burger made of bugsI haven't actually.I'd rather allow the game industry to die then let them force feed me slop.
>>743240041why dont you
>>743240442you sound mentally ill
>>743237795>Do people really care about AI that much?They do not. Chiefly, it is performative outrage. They are playing modern games right now that have used undisclosed generative AI. It's only when they can "see" it do they suddenly decide to grow a set of standards. The fact is, the average dev using generative AI does it to cut corners and offload tasks they cannot perform: meaning they have limited basis to address problems their AI use created. This is an actual problem, though generally not the one those with AI derangement syndrome suffer from since they can't actually SEE the code is trash. What they mainly complain about is the lack of cogent art direction or curating asset generation into a single coherent style. Or putting the bare minimum effort to make sure their "slop" is anatomically or spacially correct before tossing it into the game. This is when it is "obvious" to the average anti-AI hysteric. And to be fair, if the dev can't bothered to quality check their assets - they do not deserve to be paid in my opinion. But crying about a solid, functional product just because AI was used to create it? That's just retardation. Only the end result matters. Ultimately, their derangement is exactly what devs simply won't disclose their use of AI. The average performative retard won't know the difference if the dev actually used it as a tool and not a straight up replacement with no oversight.
>>743241114>You can literally generate something *better* with a single mouse click.You are an animal.
>>743243786>They are playing modern games right nowstopped reading there
>>743237460does it include reNigger?
>>743237460There are curators that list out games that use gen ai. But, I buy games less than I used to.I'm tired of looking at the generic AI sludge. And there's so many games that have disappointed me. So I wait until there's a good sale for games that I've wishlist over the years. A game has hit the right sweet spots for me to buy full price.
AI is inherently soulless, so of course you have a bunch of talentless right wing culture warriors defending it because it’s easier to spend 3 seconds making literal slop than actually learning a skill and engaging in a hobby
I love the captcha 4chan uses now for regular posts. Easy as fuck and goes by quick. A lot quicker than the randomly assigned letters
>>743237460It's easy enough to ignore the retarded AI shills, plus generally any indie devs with actual passion won't use it, it's AAA slop that tries to sneak it in
You vill play the AI generated slop. Also no one will tell you that they did use LLMs. You vill be happy.
>>743237795Pretty much. People already rejected otherwise fine indie games that used excessive amount of asset store assets, generally because most games that do that are lazy asset flips that scam people so if your game looks like one, people get suspicious about buying it. And those assets were made by artists yet people still find overuse of asset store lazy. Vampire Saviour was the exception, not the rule.People now even complain about all UE5 games looking the same. When every game uses the same UE5 default landscapes, then it stops being impressive and people don't want to pay money for that alone.
>>743244332They're also trivial to solve using basic computer vision algorithms from half a century ago, I don't know why they even bother.
>>743237460I still don't get why you retards get so triggered by AI in a few years you will be controlled by it.
>>743245242You say that, yet i see no bots
>>743245408>I still don't get why you retards refuse to pay full price for microwave meals. In a few years all restaurants will use microwaves and all chefs will be unemployed.
>>743245535Imagine buying modern games LOL
>>743245535>food analogy
>>743245535It's rather that way that there will be no new human cooking made available...
>>743245597Perfect analogy for AI. Microwaves didn't replace restaurants, its main competitor is the home oven. People pay high prices for stone-oven baked pizzas and full roast pigs and any restaurant trying to sell you microwave food goes bankrupt very quickly.
>>743237460social media and my friends.I basically only bother with word of mouth marketing and games from some few developers I had good experiences with
>>743237795Don't fall for the puritan gatekeeping. AI will end up doing everything before long. It's all about the execution. Nobody can tell if code is being written by AI or not. You're already falling behind if you aren't leveraging it in some capacity.
>>743245801Entry level coding, maybe. Art will do just fine because AI will and did replace artists with cheap ad slop that nobody cares about. But those short gigs already paid like shit anyway, most artists switched to crowdfunding and online tip jars instead.
>>743245962Losers like you will hang from all the tress first.
>>743245962>Nobody can tell if code is being written by AI or not.
>>743237795I care that good websites had their quality brought down because of shitty AI images/videos, yes.I don't hate AI itself, however, since it allowed me to make some programs for personal stuff that doesn't exist without the need for me to learn programming.
I don't understand how fucking brain damaged you people are that you can't not spend money on shit you don't care about
>>743246054good thing we arent talking about fucking cars and instead about VIDEO GAMES where the bar for good code is literally all the way in hell "its fine if it doesnt crash" especially in indie dev lmao
>>743237460>some anon is making more money than 4chan moderators shoving captchas down our throats to sell passesABSOLUTELY MOGGED
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>>743246428>MLP
>>743237795>but used AI for the music and character portraits and some pixel art assets, would steamies still reject it?I absolutely would since AI music and art both tend to be garbage.I would care a lot less if you used AI for the coding.
Can't wait for all the cattle to switch to AIIt will be like the industrial revolution, there will be mass produced garbage for cheap and hand crafted shit for loads emoneA somewhat skillful C programmer will be worth his weight in gold when the ancient relics from pre-AI need to be maintained
>>743241114>You can literally generate something *better* with a single mouse click.You have dogshit taste
>>743237795Nope I don't care. I only care for AI art because it usually has that distinctive look to it where you can already tell it's AI. If that's not the case or it's mitigated by time I genuinely don't give a fuck. If you make something I enjoy why would I care if you hired some people to voice characters, draw shit, or code for you? Yeah who gives a fuck
>>743237460Don't complain, make your own AI slop game.
>>743237795personally i'm not very picky on gamesbut i can appreciate the effort and soul put into a game, it just doesn't hit the same if the only thing you had to do is write a few paragraphs to create a game
>>743237795>I didnt do the work but I still deserve all of the paySlash your pricetag or just find some soundcloud musician to commission to give your game a human touch.If you are gonna be a lazy faggot and try to pull a fast one on the consumer youre going to get brigaded into irrelevance.If you actually cared about quality youd not outsource your work to India.
I gave AI a chanceeven in porn games which should be easy for it, everything is completely lifeless and soulless. And the devs behind them are still as lazy as ever.
>>743247681>And the devs behind them are still as lazy as ever.This.Fucking Tower of Trample dev hopped on the AI wagon and he still isn't putting out.
>>743247681the 5/100 ratio is universal and unbeatable. There are very few who manage to use the new tech to their advantage
>>743237795If you don't care about your game why should I
I know nobody cares but I'm just deleting my steam account. There's nothing valuable on all of these gaming launchers anymore. They are just shoving slop in your face. That's all they are doing is selling you the idea that you want all of these games.And I'm serious. Think about something like Path of Exile. You can play it for free on steam, no hassle. But now you have this bloated ass launcher (Steam) on your PC that is constantly trying to get you to buy things. OR you can just go straight to the Path of Exile website and download the game and not deal with stupid fucking Steam. This is now what I do.All I have on my PC is RuneScape and pirated games (Waiting on PoE 2 for mac). I'm tired of launchers I will own nothing and I will be happy.
>>743241114Kek this mentality is why people are hostile to AI slop.Youre anti-human and creativity Being genuine and honest is your kryptonite
>>743237795>steamies
>>743249881>But now you have this bloated ass launcher (Steam) on your PC that is constantly trying to get you to buy thingsWhat? Just turn off notifications about new releases
>>743251462You wouldn't get it bro.I'M TIRED OF PURCHASING THINGS. TIRED.PoE is FREE. RuneScape is FREE. I can earn membership via in-game bonds similar to the WoW token in WoW.I will play my games instead of buying my games.I can pirate 99% of games that are worth it. I am phasing out paid multiplayer slop.And why would I ever buy a singleplayer game? I won. I am de-tethered from the USD.
>>743240556>>743241253>>743245535>>743244278learn to work with AI instead of rejecting the future. it's basically a requirement for university onboarding now. it's not going anywhere. i made a mint selling code with it. im convinced anti-ai people have no productive workflow and think its just for generating pictures of anime tits or something.video games are a pretty stagnant medium. we get an AAA game worth playing once every few years at this point, with indies saturating the market. if AI expedites the process of game development, so be it
>>743251614>>743249881you don't really sound like a variety gamer anyway so maybe steam isn't for you
>>743251614You sound like a third world roblox zoomer
>>743249881Uhhh okay? I have hundreds of games on my Steam account and don't want to have a huge collection of executables on my desktop. Launcher(s) are good. I say (s) because only Steam is a good launcher but the idea behind them is good.
>>743237460>how do you find new games?I mostly buy old games on GOG. Stoped using Steam ages ago.
>>743251828>video games are a pretty stagnant medium. we get an AAA game worth playing once every few years at this point, with indies saturating the market. if AI expedites the process of game development, so be itAll gen AI is doing now for games is oversaturating the market. Games stagnating isn't a tech issue. It's a skill and management issue.If every new tech was the future, then we should of seen VR blow up way bigger than it did.To me, gen AI is a toy. If people don't want to use new tech, then so be it. Is not buying an EV rejecting the future?
>>743237795>time-wasting question that everyone knows the answer to>inflammatory stance for the sake of itthis is bait
>>743240556>>743251828I don't think the problem is AI on itself. Is the abuse people use it for. A lot of people have no fucking clue what they are doing or where the content or data they are using comes from. code art, music , etc. all is in a legal and moral limbo. I wont deny that makes shit faster but it doesn't feel good to support people who don't value other people's work or contributions.
>>743245171to put it simple is people and very likely taking big shortcuts is what makes slop. people don't do art they just do the popular easy thing. with the fasters tools available. and no real control.
>>743251828I use AI generated code at work. It's fine for work but it sure as fuck isn't good enough for my game.
