I was playing 5+ matches a day till Urn changes. My interest has fallen off a cliff now that Yoshit has shown how retarded he is and how hard he wants to cater to whiny streamniggers. I'll never be eternus and forever locked at A6, but it's worth it to not have to play in the unironic most dogshit era of the game.

>>743237723
I don't understand what he was fucking thinking by enforcing multiple king of the hill shitshows per match with a roster not explicitly made for it.
Couple the new urn/rifts with general dogshit general hero balance and you can call a gg at minute 0 with 90% certainty just by comparing the team comps.

>>743237723
Why the fuck would you even care about ranked when it puts new players into oracle, shit was never working properly. They're reworking the whole ranked system within the month anyway.

>>743238269
I literally play brawl heros like Paige, Paradox, and Calico, but it's still unfun. Running the urn before was a small thing you could do for souls and purely optional, now it's the enemy team gets 6 kills and souls for whatever objective.
>>743238407
Because I enjoy competitive games. I haven't been oracle in forever and have reached top rank in almost every game I've played. The whole
>UH BRO WHY DO YOU CARE
argument is so retarded, I don't need to justify myself to you or anyone.

>>743237529
You had a decade to unfilter yourself from Dota multiplayer strategic perfection yet you failed. This is just more of the same.

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>>743237529
Just play Graves, she's got auto-aim.

>>743237529
The game is not worth playing in it's current state. Movement in the game is overtuned and full of glitches that people like to pretend are features, all of which make the game worse to play. More than half the cast are non-viable to play since the devs spend all their time tweaking Victor, Shiv, and Graves, despite the first two basically always being overpowered and obnoxious, and the latter only capable of being awful or overpowered, and obnoxious no matter what.

As the other anons are saying already
>>743237723
>>743238269
>>743238553

The current state of the game revolves around forced KOTH fights culminating in a gigantic AoE slop fest in the middle of the map to get the Mid-boss, which gives your team 3 free full revives, which lets you win the game afterwards because objectives in this game are made of paper and die instantly to any pressure.

You also have midwits like >>743238582 who think this game has good design just because Icefraud is involved, but the game just sucks ass right now. Don't play it, wait another year or so to see if it improves, because the game is genuinely in the worst state it has ever been in.

>>743237529
How do you even get an invite?

>>743237529
I think the game is too hard to get into. Picking 3 characters and it randomly picking one makes it time consuming to try to even learn 1 character let alone the roster of 30.
>>743238858
Beg on here or reddit. Or wait until they offer more invites

>>743238553
it literally doesnt function so it basically doesnt exist. So yeah the "why do you care" actually does apply here, retard.

>>743238858
Some dude on /vg/ invited me when I asked, I still have him on my friends list.

The fucking loser player Marvel Rivals lmao

>>743239206
Marvel rivals is fun

>>743238858
The /vg/ thread will invite you, but your account gets vetted quick there. We check creation date/games owned etc to make sure it's not an alt, because if someone gets banned for cheating, it bans the person who invited you too.

>>743239321
That's something a loser would say

>>743239445
You obviously can't win

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>>743238789
>who think this game has good design just because Icefraud is involved
Oh no I didn't say that, the game sucks ass right now lmao. But OP is bitching about fundamental MOBA design so I had to clown on him for even installing it.

>>743237529
>i have to...
>*gasp*
>play the game?!?!?
>preposterous!
this is what happens when a snoy tries to play a real game

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>>743238407
rank being shit isn't just for compfags sweating to get biggest number it also affects people like me who just want to play for fun
it ain't fun getting new players who should be in alchemist lobbies on your team while the enemy is filled with low eternus level players and getting roflstomped, or vice versa, every game since the new rift system is either stomp or get stomped there's never any super close games like how it used to be when urn was instant delivered

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Luv me Paige
Simple as

>>743239624
I think what anon is complaining about is fine though, Deadlock has way too many mechanics that are vastly inconsistent and vary wildly in power. Parries are overpowered as fuck and really need to be reworked. Movement is retarded as can be and full of source engine bugs that trannies like to jerk off and claim are actually good game design. Stuff like edge/corner boosting is nonsense and should have been removed years ago.

>>743239624
Seems to me the clowns are the people who are insisting this is a good genre and at this point aren't even able to pretend themselves that the game is any good.

>>743237529
Yeah and it's fun as hell

>>743237529
>Lists various features of the game
>Somehow this is a criticism, or something
>Heh, here's my thread OWNING Valve...

It's just tiring pointing out how dogshit this website is nowadays. It's like beating the dead horse of a dead horse of a dead horse.

>>743241272
>Somehow this is a criticism, or something
Your reading comprehension must be shot because it reads more like "valve put in an insane amount of effort to make a game in a shit genre".

Game should be more like Monday Night Combat and not SMNC and it would instantly be a hit because nobody has a game that feels like MNC now. The more moba stuff you layer onto the game the less and less someone is willing to try it. I invited so many people to play and theyd rather just go back to actual shooters.

>>743240539
>insisting this is a good genre
Dota is great
Newerth was great
LoL was OK now it's shit
Smite was shit now it's OK
Deadlock is meh as fuck, too disjointed for its own good.

>>743242489
The big problem is that the balance in the game is awful and only gets worse every single patch, which is a huge flaw with any ASSFAGGOTS game.
>>743242961
Dota became shit like a decade ago, dude.

>>743243195
>Dota became shit like a decade ago, dude.
Tired meme, Dota is fine

>>743240426
Those are intentional game design decisions why would they be removed

deadlock futa

An overwatch thread died for this.

>>743244282
Because they make the game worse, and the devs are too lazy and incompetent to even design a tutorial explaining all the badly-designed movement mechanics that have an entire autistic wiki maintained by trannies dedicated to them. Simply making moving around in the game a convoluted process with a bunch of micro-adjustments you need to make constantly is not enjoyable in the slightest, unless you have ADHD and are taking adderall or ritalin before playing.

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The game has a declining playerbase due to no content for months, the last big change was a new objective which is a king of the hill that can used by the winning team easily. The last patches since march have worsen the experience, heroes went from good to bad to worse to bad again. The fan communities are run by trans and yuri who do everything but play the game itself and cry about heroes not being openly gay, expect valve to accomodate their fancanons even though it's 1949 and everyone deserve to get a monkey pawn deal or just die. Basically if you don't go for farm/boxes/objectives you get left behind quickly, not applied to higher ranks. Did you know the matchmaking is far worse than dota and complaining is seen as bad? Thanks for reading to the end bro.

>everyone makes games for journalists these days
>wtf what do you mean this game has a skill floor that requires me to push multiple buttons on my keyboard AND aim AND think at the same time

>>743237529
>>get invited
bro thinks he's special

>>743245445
>Basically if you don't go for farm/boxes/objectives you get left behind quickly,
Yeah that's the point of the game

This shit has not been officially released already? I don't get this "testing" phase when basically everyone that wants to play the game can do it with little trouble

>>743239418
>because if someone gets banned for cheating, it bans the person who invited you too
it does?

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>>743245259
If trannies can do it you can do it. Stop making excuses just because you're bad at something.

>>743245745
I can do it, I am saying it makes the game worse because it isn't fun to perform. You are retarded and gay.

>>743245780
Sounds like you just don't like the game. Maybe consider the uninstall button?

>>743245620
Valve works on things at a glacial pace, they can't release it because they don't have anything to charge money for and they still haven't filled in the programmer art.

>MVP on the team
>Lose game because 2-3 people on your team died once every 2 minutes for 40 minutes
>Lose rank
>Repeat

Even as a long time dota player, I think Deadlock matchmaking is utterly appalling right now. I fucking hope this shit is just rigged for the purposes of collecting player data and not that this is the best they can actually do.
Queuing with a friend sucks ass with the hero pick system too, since you can even guarantee you'll get the lane combo you want

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>>743245859
Early Dota 2 Beta felt a lot quicker than this desu.
Maybe half the devs realized the game is mid af, got discouraged and bailed, so now it's just one janny's little pet project again. Kinda seems to be how Valve operates these days, judging by the Dota spinoffs.

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>>743246006
This is my experience as well lately, I had a gigantic win streak months ago and I am now paying the price with a 10 game loss streak making me drop from mid phantom to high oracle. It doesn't matter how well I'm performing, somehow at least two or three people on my team will die 10+ times in 30 minutes.

>>743246070
Dota 2 beta did move quicker, but a lot of the work was just porting dota 1 stuff over too.
Saying that iirc, some dota 1 heroes were still not even ported over before Ti2 or 3, like Underlord and Arc Warden

>>743245537
Sounds fucking stupid and boring

>>743245825
I haven't played the game in well over a month due to the nonstop bad balance patches.

>>743246070
I play both and it's pretty clear that the two games are sharing the same dev team, and suffering for it. Ringmaster took a whole year to release after getting a trailer, and he's just getting his launch event now, years later. Now deadlock is sitting on 6 months without a content update because the team was working on the dota event.

>>743246289
It is stupid and boring, you have to memorize the best 'box breaking routes' between lanes or else you just run around and waste time and fall behind.

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>>743246291
Well I hate to break it to you but all the things you're complaining about are core features of the game and are almost certainly not being removed.
If you're waiting for any of those things to get removed you're better off uninstalling forever and looking for something else instead of getting addicted to a game you hate.

The items are so boring in this game every item is just some sny stat stick. How did frog even make dota, like difference between the items system and deadlock are so big maybe the league guy made all the items in dota.

>>743245620
the game isn't anywhere near ready
not even visuals or audio, which are very clearly unfinished
but the game doesn't even have 40 characters

could you imagine launching a fucking moba with 38 characters in the current day?
it needs at least another 20 characters before that consider can even be made.
2027 at the earliest it will be ready, it might not even release until 2028, it isn't close to ready at all

>>743246439
I have little intention of coming back to the game with how they have somehow managed to only make the game worse for 6 months straight, and many other players who have stuck around for a while are also feeling the same way.
If a game only gets worse for several months, that is an indicator that the devs are genuinely incompetent and that it is time to leave the game alone. Maybe they'll bring it around, but I doubt it, since they still haven't addressed actual problem characters like Pocket, Victor, and Doorman, and the recent shiv 'rework' that was just a shitload of buffs to a character that is almost universally reviled.

>>743246541
don't know how you have this opinion when all of the items that take advantage of the game being 3D are fun. majestic leap is far more interesting than blink dagger
yes, theyre using a different system without every item being built out of 5 different colors of chainmail, but that doesn't make it boring, just different

>>743245259
You don't have to learn movement techniques
Even watching top players they don't do it all the time
Not sure how I feel about having important mechanics like this be tucked away for the community to learn by themselves tbdesu

Deadlock's problem is that everything feels wimpy and weightless. Movement, punches, parrying, spells, and especially the fucking guns. Since they're just a method to apply item effects on enemies they feel extremely weak and you get zero feedback for doing anything in the game. I can't explain it, it feels like you're fucking around in a UE demo map.

>>743238858
steam forums have threads offering invites

>>743247837
Play Lash

>>743246543
There's enough characters bro why would it need more l

>>743246543
Roster size in a MOBA is overrated. Game can be fun with very few, very striking designs.
Problem is that half the Deadlock chars feel like boring water-without-ice filler dudes that do nothing immediately interesting-looking, sort of exacerbated by the level-up system giving you the full character kit piece by piece in little milestones (genuinely my least favourite aspect of modern Dota 2 design philosophy, and Deadlock is a game entirely built around talent slop).

>>743246543
>could you imagine launching a fucking moba with 38 characters in the current day?
I'd go as far as to say I would have more faith in a game that releases with a small roster because it shows the devs have their priorities straight and focused on making sure the game itself was good instead of deluding themselves into thinking the game will magically become good with more dipshits to play as.

>>743247837
Yeah the gunplay is weak

>>743251756
It's baffling how the company responsible for tf2 thought rapidfire pseudo-hitscan as everyone's primary fire would be an improvement.

>>743242961
So even with your bias you only really think one game in this genre is any good.

>>743251848
They kinda fucked themselves by adding Dota 2 style lasthit/deny play to the laning phase. I guarantee you they tried different gun types (possibly dedicated melee) but couldn't actually diversify the heroes there because you'd just completely and utterly drown in lane without a hitscan.

>>743252602
Yeah I can see it.
>insist on rapidfire psuedo-hitscan because of the bubble popping shit that's super important early game
>only for everyone to realise how unfun the bubble popping shit is
>greatly tone down the importance of it
>now everyone's rapidfire psuedo-hitscan for the sake of a mechanic that might as well not be in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9RAZxNdCk8

Matchmaking update, any day now.

>>743247837
I hate that every hero has a gun even Apollo and Yamato who should just be melee

>>743237723
what was the urn change anyway, havent played in a while and the only deadlock discussions i see now is about how much urn broke the game

>>743252602
>>743253051
Last hitting is an awful mechanic and should have been removed from Dota in it's infancy, the only reason it stayed in the game was due to how Warcraft 3's engine worked.

>>743253940
t. moron

>>743253940
You could absolutely remove last hitting in wc3 DotA and replace it with whatever way of getting xp and gold you want. Stop talking out of your ass.
t. hundreds of hours in wc3 world editor

>>743247837
>GUN BUILDS HAVE TO BE VIABLE ON EVERYONE!!!
>Make all of the gun items slop where you just build whatever the most efficient items in the shop are that patch
>Spirit breakpoints further homogenize statlines
>Guns now feel like shit

>>743253940
are u retarded?
plenty of wc3 maps didn't have last hitting and would award bounty based on a variety of factors (proximity, damage done, and a mix of factors)
its an intentional design choice, not an engine limitation

>>743253940
>t. gets outdenied by a Dark Willow

>>743254403
It's a bad design choice and should have been removed, Deadlock's laning sucks because of it and you can see that they have made laning less and less important unless you get obscenely fed in lane.

The only other time that the main game mode was unfun when people got good with aiming with the old last hit system when you had a shit solo laner (Had to last hit troops AND the soul).
New Urn is trying to do the whole Street Brawl thing, but that only works because of random items and "level" playing field.

>>743253940
Last hitting in DOTA encourages you to actually go out and get involved in the lane.

>>743254334
Yeah they made all the guns just ways to apply obnoxious status effects that hard counter people, instead of guns that you shoot at someone until they die. Toxic bullets was a mistake, giving spirit damage to gun characters was a mistake.
>>743254826
It really does not, it just means ranged characters get to win lane harder than melee characters do, last hits and denies are just boring.

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>>743254869
Bur ranged characters are worse at last hitting and denying because of projectile travel time
Melee characters just have to calculate the backswing and they're always tankier while their ranged support harasses

>>743254987
Projectile travel time only matters on a handful of characters, and they can just get closer to the creep anyway, on top of being able to harass the enemy laner constantly. You don't have to defend a bad game mechanic, retarded frogposter.

>>743246543
Nigga 40 characters is a lot.
MOBAs and all other kinds of "hero games" have wayyyy to many fucking characters.
The more characters there are in the game, the more you kill your playerbase by virtue of forcing more homework on the noobs.

>>743253940
Last hitting adds depth to the laning phase by making lane creeps something that requires constant periodic attention and forces heroes to weave in and out of attack range. It would've been trivial to grant players gold and experience through other means, even in WC3, they just didn't do it because it's ass (as MOBAs that remove lasthitting altogether are also usually ass).
The problem (in Deadlock specifically) is denies. In Dota zoning the lane so lasthitting becomes impossible/awkward is a big part of the game, but you can't really zone when everyone has giga attack range and instant projectiles, the best you can maybe get is holding sightlines with your own gun. If a character can't shoot they don't play the videogame.

>>74325505
So what do you do instead of last hits, just a periodic steady passive income if you are near creeps? If anything, that makes the ranged harassing worse.

>>743255274
Meant for >>743255054

>>743255209
Heroes of the Storm removed last hitting and made exp global for the team, and it was far better for it.

Either way, last hitting souls in Deadlock is fucking miserable on some characters and braindead easy on others, and the ones that have an easy time last hitting just so happen to be most of the overpowered as fuck characters in the game who scale unbelievably hard too.

>>743255345
>Heroes of the Storm removed last hitting and made exp global for the team, and it was far better for it.
You were clearly never cut out to play mobas in the first place.

How do you fix Urn? Keep in mind, reverting it doesn't work either because it barely worked as a comeback mechanic even then.

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>niggers get denied 10 times in lane after being pushed into the tower and have a spregy over their own ineptitude
sneed no feed

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It doesn't matter as much in regular top down mobas but I think deadlock needs to make a more nuanced distinction between which abilities and weapons should use spirit power vs gun power. For example, bebops sticky bomb and hyper beam should count as gun damage because he's a robot, while graves M1 should count as spirit damage because it's a magical lich hand.

Anyone down to play? I just started a week ago, love the game so far.
t. gay

>>743255345
>Heroes of the Storm removed last hitting and made exp global for the team, and it was far better for it.
That's definitely a controversial opinion. That game is mostly known for being broolslop incarnate precisely because it is too casualized.

>>743255945
Yeah and look at what Deadlock is right now. It's just brooling over the rift/urn and midboss. Literally nothing else matters in the game, since getting a rift means a free walker, and getting midboss means walkers/shrines.

Heroes of the Storm at least did away with the pretense of farming being the most important thing in the game, and at least it had good side objectives unlike Deadlock.
>>743255459
I got to Phantom in Deadlock and Ancient or Divine or whatever it was in Dota before I stopped playing.

Deadlock is in a truly awful state right now so I have no real interest in playing anything besides Street Brool

>>743255867
>love the game so far.
>t. gay
Why bother repeating yourself?

>>743257101
Street brawl is fun as fuck

>>743257360
It's more fun than the regular mode, that's for sure. Less of an importance put on tranny movement techs and having to do lame forced KOTH fights over the rifts, and no mid-boss, which is one of the most poorly-designed objectives I have ever seen in a shooter.

Only real issues are boring characters like Graves and Paige being OP in brool but it's whatever.

>>743255760
Bebop is a golem not a robot. He's powered by spirit magic not computers

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>>743257609
How is a design like that not computers?
If he's a golem that just means he's made of magic computers.

>>743257217
lol

>>743238789
Graves is such a puzzling creature to me.
They've made a hero with zero actual player input beyond generic "don't overextend on half hp". It autoaims for you, the gameplan for fights is rolling your face on the keyboard and the gameplan for macro is pressing 4 when it's off cooldown. Her in-game results are almost entirely driven by whatever her numbers have been set to with very little player performance variance in any given skill bracket. It's such a guaranteed permanent balance-babysitter nightmare that I can't understand how they haven't at any point realized how they're digging their own grave with the autopilot hero design.

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>>743258392
Let's be real here anon, of the last 12 heroes added to the game, how many of them can you truly say made it better? Venator is a good addition, Rem was okay if a bit annoying, but the other 4 of the last batch? Just awful and obnoxious to play against.

The set before that? Just as bad, really.
Mina? Overpowered as fuck, incredibly obnoxious to play against. Paige? Braindead support for e-girls. Doorman? A balance nightmare who shouldn't have been added, who is the most hated hero in the entire game by far. Drifter? Retarded infinite scaling character whose numbers are all overtuned. Victor? Another balance nightmare who takes almost zero skill to play.
Billy is alright but they keep making him do too much damage.

Deadlock has already reached Dota's low point where more than half the cast are utterly miserable to play against regardless of how good they are, and the other half vary from useless to just okay.

>>743253819
There's been an urn rework like every month ever since they first touched it.
It used to start a king of the hill fight, then it was burgerboxing with heavy punching the urn to make it flip sides, now we're playing standard king of the hill again with a mandatory scheduled "rift" spawn every 5 minutes on either side lane and the literal urn is just a single-hero-souls-only extra errand you can do insteads of punching Mike Wazowski in the jungle.
The gist of it is that new urn is all about who can fill the small circle with more AoE vomit.

>>743254218
>>743254403
Pretty sure the anon is saying last hitting only ever became a thing due to a quirk with Warcraft 3's engine. It probably would never have been intentionally implemented if dota was designed from ground up.
>>743254826
Then you do what Deadlock has ended up doing with a pick-up mechanic instead.

>>743259138
Yeah, that is what I was saying, but the retards who are defending last hitting of all things are too dumb to understand that. It isn't a good mechanic and never will be a good mechanic since it just favors whoever has the highest attack speed and velocity.

Deadlock seems pretty fun but I'm bad at it. My one criticism is that some of the designs are unambitious compared to DotA. The community is HORRIBLE also, it's mostly normalniggers from Overwatch/Valorant/Fortnite. I think the community is holding the devs back from designing unique heroes, since the community complains about anything fun.

>>743259438
Nah the devs can't design fun heroes, the last 12 added were mostly stinkers and more than half the cast has the problem of simply not being fun to fight.

>>743258958
I hate the forced nature of the new rift, now if you have a retarded team with no game agency you auto lose the event and it always leads to an enemy snowball.
At least with the old pre-KOTH urn you could just solo run it as a speedy character if your team is filled with subhumans.

>>743251848
>>743253051
>rapidfire pseudo-hitscan
you mean... projectiles?
every character has different bullet velocity and its a stat you can increase.
a significant amount of characters (kelvin, victor, rem, paige, celeste, etc) have fucking awful velocity and you can easily see the projectiles traveling and you need to lead shots massively, they only function at quite close range when shooting.
characters with bad bullet velocity are significantly harder to last hit with when contested by others as the grace period for a green orb is quite narrow before an enemy can steal it.

its just projectiles and many games use projectiles as bullets instead of hitscan so you need to lead shots, its incredibly common.
for example basically every BR does this, and different guns have different bullet speeds.

>>743255209
This. The lane manipulation mindgames in Dota make or break the lane. In Deadlock you can't manipulate the creeps or equilibrium at all, there's no bodyblocking or pulling neutrals or drawing aggro. The bubble popping shit is retarded and doesn't mesh with the infinite range hitscan guns at all.

>>743259881
The last 12 added are amazing, what the fuck are you smoking?

>>743260136
Stop consooming fanart and marinating in pisslow MMR and try to understand game design

>>743259881
>more than half the cast has the problem of simply not being fun to fight
That is not a real problem that exists. You're just a baby crying because you died in a game and finding some way to blame the game's design. See:
>the community complains about anything fun

>>743259379
>it just favors whoever has the highest attack speed and velocity.
wtf are you on about. have you even played dota?
>>743259138
>Then you do what Deadlock has ended up doing with a pick-up mechanic instead.
the game supposedly used to have this before the game was neon prime even. they probably scrapped it for a reason

>>743260136
hes a schizo who thought just wants to basically play vanilla character vs vanilla character
so many of the early characters were incredibly boring and basically did nothing.
>I want to play vanilla tanky guy
>he has a shield
>a heal
>and a gun to shoot
>hes so much more fun to play than vanilla shooty guy
Not only have the more recently characters actually been at a good level of being interesting, varied, and unique, but the reworks also brought a lot of the older characters in line.

>>743260352
>interesting, varied, and unique
it's half reheated dota nachos and half incoherent bullshit from hopoo

>>743259975
It's strictly speaking projectiles but they move so fast that they might as well be hitscan. Even when naming heroes that serve as some exception you have to name the later ones and even then Paige is the only one for who it really feels like it matters. (And I guess Graves too because she ditches traditional shooting altogether)

On the bright side it took a whole two hours to get an anon who didn't know what was meant by "pseudo-hitscan"

>characters with bad bullet velocity are significantly harder to last hit with when contested by others as the grace period for a green orb is quite narrow before an enemy can steal it.
So again it's important for the bubble popping shit whose role in the game is already somewhat questionable.

Guys, please... I'm a linux faggot and I want to dedicate my (gaming) life to Deadlock, do you think it's worth it? I don't trust other goynline games, at least with Valve in the back, I can be certain, that it will always run on Gnu/Linux.

I love the character design, I love how unique everyone is, but I'm afraid... because this game seems to combine the most difficult competitive genres (MOBA & Shooter).

>>743260606
Dedicating your life to playing video games is never worth it, just play whatever you want for fun in moderation

>>743260606
>I want to dedicate my (gaming) life to some ultra competitive skinnerbox
No it's not worth it, I've been there.

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>>743260606
Its fun, but don't take it to seriously and don't dedicate anything to this game, the matchmaking will make you want to kill yourself.

>>743260665
>>743260678
But I need a competitive game in my life. There is nothing else.

>>743260531
>pseudo-hitscan
no, I know what you meant
it meant that you are retarded and don't actually play any shooters because you think different projectile travel speeds is something new and that its some super specific mechanic deadlock is using solely for "bubble popping"
except that its been the standard for fps for over a decade at this point? hitscan has been out of favour since around 2010-15 and basically only legacy games still use it.

projectiles are far more popular and it isn't a deadlock thing.
again, different bullet velocities significantly change how a character plays and the range you want to use them in, they make substantial changes to the gunplay of a gun.
you not being able to tell the difference doesn't mean there isn't a difference, it just means you are retarded.
you can find plenty of people talking about plenty of games and the bullet travel speed of different guns and how that plays into their balance.

>>743260803
I just play bot games daily. Like 1 or 2, I'm too afraid to go against real people, but I don't want to be a total noob, whenever valve will release this shit

>>743241502
It has nothing to do with reading comprehension and has everything to do with uneducated niggers like yourself failing to use the English language in any meaningful way, instead typing like a 4th grade hood rat and expecting everyone to understand what you mean

Faggot ass OP, suck my cock.

>>743260845
I'm intervening here but I think that pseudo-hitscan comment wasn't made in comparison to other shooters, but to Dota, which has much slower projectile travel time for ranged characters since there's no aiming, it's an RTS.
But since Deadlock has aiming, and it wants to maintain the bubble popping mechanic, it's kind of fucked when it comes to diverse weapon options, you can't have a character with a rocket launcher, or a sword, or a bow, since they all have to conform to the "decently fast projectile rapid firing weapon" to be viable in lane for the bubble popping.

>>743261085
There are characters with bows and swords, they just also have fast projectiles.
Just being pedantic tho.

>>743260845
There's basically two types of bullet velocity in Deadlock:
Fast
and
Not Fast

Almost every OP character has a fast projectile.

>>743260912
You can just instantly mute everyone in the game before it starts if you are afraid of what people will say.

>>743261190
>There are characters with bows and swords, they just also have fast projectiles.
That's gay as fuck and you know it. Apollo or Drifter shouldn't have projectiles at all, it looks terrible. Vindicta's rifle is all kinds of fucked.

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>Fighting that one guy who just always has a sliver of HP left
>No matter how much you shoot him he always miraculously maneuvers away at just the right instant
>Has total map awareness and always escapes right when one more hit would do it
>Finally after so much struggle, chasing charging, shooting, dipping in and out, you finally, finally wing him and he dies
I love the game. I feel like playing it makes me a less retarded gamer.

>>743260912
You wont get any better doing that, face your fears and accept you will get shit on like 4 times before you can start improving.

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>>743261304
Yeh I hate that shit too, don't get me wrong. But you said
>you can't have a character with a sword, or a bow
but you totally can.

They're just lame af.

>>743261450
Well that was the point I was trying to make. Deadlock will never have good gunplay because of the baggage of being Dota 3D. Weapons will always be wimpy rapid fire bullet hoses to apply weapon effects unless they do some serious rework on item balance + removing last hits entirely.

>>743260845
>except that its been the standard for fps for over a decade at this point? hitscan has been out of favour since around 2010-15 and basically only legacy games still use it.
>projectiles are far more popular and it isn't a deadlock thing.
It's pseudo-hitscan that's the standard now. Game devs wonder why not just have all gunfire be projectile-based so that's what they do now. But as far as actual gameplay goes it's all fast-moving shit that could easily have been made hitscan.

When people say they want projectile-based combat, what they're thinking of is much slower explosive projectiles where you can experience the joy of seeing shit collide with targets in the air. They aren't thinking. "Hold fire and lead on your target's movement ever so slightly".

>>743261563
I have been saying this since Deadlock first released, the shitty last hitting mechanic needs to go and stay gone forever. Last hits have never been a good mechanic in any game ever, and it has very clearly stifled this game's design as a result. That, and the retarded source engine movement quirks.

>>743259438
this, community wants every identifying feature of a character removed and it already worked on apollo. They keep the most braindead characters perma Tier 1/2 so there's no excuse. E6 trying to get doorman deleted. When valve finally nerfed mina how they wanted she became almost fucking useless at all stages of the game. Valve should focus on making characters feel satisfying to play and they can solve balance issues with numbers but the apollo change only encouraged the whining. It also takes attention away from characters that need fundamental redesigns to their kits like silver victor kelvin yamato

>>743261792
>Last hits have never been a good mechanic in any game ever
It works well in Dota because it adds strategic depth and you can fuck around with the creeps a lot. It's complete ass in Deadlock.

>>743261085
he genuinely thinks "pseudo-hitscan" is some real thing that is unique to the game and not just... projectiles, like every other FPS has been doing for the past decade
you can see this right here >>743261584 he genuinely doesn't understand that this is every FPS and how this massively impacts how guns get used and is very regularly talked about when it gets changed in balance patches and the such.

There are plenty of different guns in deadlock
you genuinely can't tell me you think kelvin, venator, drifter, and apollo all feel the same to shoot with, that's absurd.
kelvin has a really bad gun with awful bullet velocity, everything about it sucks but its about as vanilla as a gun as you can get
venator is about as close as hitscan as you can get with its bullet speed being x3 the speed of most characters, he even literally has a hitscan ult, you basically have 0 need to actually do anything but put your crosshair on people, but his guns are midrange and have far faster drop off that other characters for damage
drifter shoots a fan of bullets, his gun starts to drop off very quickly and has a short max range, but that is way less relevant for him since his ranged base scaling is also way lower than others so its a lot less bad for him to shoot at max range or beyond, so he ends up being really good up close and serviceable at range
and then apollo has literally 0 range based scaling, his swords are super slow but they always do full damage and you can stack up a wall of swords people can walk into and get raped by, but it means hes a super inconsistent gun user since they are very slow and you basically just instantly lose to anyone strafing as they can quite literally react to your bullets in the air and dodge them

most fps have far less differences in bullet speeds yet people can instantly tell the difference and it matters a lot for balance
but the far larger type of guns here isn't enough of a difference? that's absurd

>>743261792
Valve should hire you. Actually, you don't even need Valve, you could just make a game on your own with all of those big ideas.

>>743262225
>he genuinely thinks "pseudo-hitscan" is some real thing that is unique to the game and not just... projectiles, like every other FPS has been doing for the past decade
>you can see this right here >>743261584 he genuinely doesn't understand that this is every FPS
I literally said that is IS every FPS now. How did you manage to read my post and think I was saying the opposite?

>>743262441
no one cares about distinctions only in your head
"pseudo-hitscan" isn't a thing, that is just projectiles, no, that isn't a different thing, you are a schizo
take your meds

>>743262578
Everyone who wishes Valve would make a shooter closer to tf2 cares about the distinction.

Everyone who had hoped multiple times now for a rocket launcher hero cares about the distinction. Or wished Venator's nade launcher was an actual side weapon instead of a charged ability.

>>743261373
You don't really improve in matchmaking anyways you do that reading stats, watching guides, and practicing movement in Explore NYC. Matchmaking is there to validate your play. You're not learning Calico box routes or objective timings in live matches where learning input is incomprehensible. Realistically if you're already good at aiming and LoL you are hours away from being the average Arcanist. Those guys can't move anyways.

>>743262871
>Arcanist
Ascendant*

>>743258392
>with very little player performance variance in any given skill bracket
that isn't that true. the most important thing on the character is movement, there's a noticeable difference in how the character is played by people who struggle to move around the map and those who don't

>>743237529
You just openly admitted you're brown and low IQ.

>>743262039
The rape of Apollo (who was incredibly fun to play) is unforgivable

>>743238783
Is she ok?

>>743260068
Not true desu: https://youtu.be/Xq1hjjEE1K4

>>743261256
>You can just instantly mute everyone
>>743261373
Thanks, but I actually want to talk, if it's anything like in CS2, I'm used to it and it's actually fun. But I'm a complete beginner, so I try to get the basics done first.
>>743262871
I'm trying to move away from meta and flowchart gameplay and I thought Deadlock leaves more room for creativity (not saying that movement and routes aren't important, I consider that basic knowledge)

>>743267352
>Deadlock leaves more room for creativit
yeeeeep new inter just dropped

>>743247837
>feels like you're fucking around in a UE demo map
gonna have to agree with you here. there's something about the combination of the gun animations, the sound, and visuals when bullets impact that just doesn't feel good. fortnite for instance feels, sounds and looks amazing when you land any type of gunshot. warden stick out as the worst for me. his gun looks like half of a jackhammer yet barely moves when he shoots, and sounds like absolute dogshit.

>>743252602
100 percent true. so many fucking smgs. the characters with pistols just are reskinned smgs.

>>743237529
Unrelated but does anyone have any tips on how to aim better? I feel like I'm relatively decent in FPS games but the moment I play deadlock I constantly aim like shit. I lowkey might be retarded, I'm tired playing spirit and support heroes, I'd like to not suck at gun heroes once in while. Anyone got tips?

>>743268447
how many minutes are you willing to practice your aim each play session

>>743268483
Around 30 minutes of pure practice

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>>743260606
>>743260817
Knock yourself out.
Keep in mind the game is constantly getting "Throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" updates, especially with map objectives the past couple months, so you're gonna be dealing with a lot of bullshit.

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>try echo shard skulls graves
>people actually break them during teamfights
How come this doesn't happen in higher elo lobbies?

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>>743237529
Sounds like a good time to me

>>743260068
>no bodyblocking
Oh god you reminded me of the days where I could use Heimer turrets to create the Uber wave
Thank you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvugzSQwaso

>>743268879
>she doesn't rape lash, its just masturbation
boring

>>743268593
Honestly cut that time in half and focus on "control tracking" scenarios in an aim trainer (kovaaks) since Deadlock currently doesn't give you the ability to practice the necessary aim mechanics entirely inside the game yet.
So what scenarios should you be playing? Luckily someone already did the hard part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh88wuNkEgc give this a watch on 2x speed or something, and this too for learning what good technique actually is (troon warning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkv6XqwV7MQ
If you absolutely don't want an aim trainer then i would just go into the sandbox, lock on to one of the stationary npcs to the right of spawn and just walk in circles (both directions) back and forth while keeping your crosshair on target as much as possible. Doing this will build the smooth hand eye coordination need for hitting enemies in the air and at walking speed on the ground. Don't forget there's no hitscan in Deadlock for the most part, which might be slightly throwing your aim off.

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>>743237529
Seeing people filtered by Deadlock reminds me of this comic

street brawl is the only fun mode normal deadlock is so dull

>>743270735
true

>>743270735
need an Aghanim's Labyrinth mode too

>>743270967
just have a server browser with custom modes and maps

This game is gonna flop so hard when it comes out and newcomers get raped 10 different ways by goblins who've grinded the Alpha
Maybe Valve realizes this so its just gonna be in alpha limbo

>>743271975
They should force new players to play a few casual games and allow beta players to grind ranked for a few days ahead of time so new players don't get totally raped

>>743271975
Just design more modes like Street Brawl and/or have robust custom map support, something to keep the people who don't want ASSFAGGOTS entertained

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>>743257957
Bebop's model is a holdover from Neon Prime. He is computers, but he's suppose to be a scrap golem.

>>743237529
swap out the DOTA shit and replace it with TF2 shit

>>743238783
this is me when i take a huge dump

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Best hero.

Even after all the nerfs to the bruiser builds.

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>>743273352
>Build to maximize q as hard as possible
>because it's really funny when the ragdoll is launched if it kills

>>743260912
I had same fear/anxiety of playing against real players when I first started playing the game.
You'll get bored of fighting bots and, eventually, have to bite the bullet and face real players if you want to have
any fun this game.

>>743273527
Unfortunately, that's exactly what got nerfed since the big urn rework patch. 1-maxing builds just aren't that good anymore. He's back to being an ult bot with expansion, extended duration, and survival items.

>>743273602
what a shame

>>743273659
He's still pretty fun to play, but I miss the dopamine rush of building Headhunter, Rapid Recharge, Surge of Power, and Tankbuster and just chasing shitters down and stomping them to death.

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>>743273602
i prefer maxing heal first and getting tempo + heroic to rally your team into battle
the guy who made the interloper ARG videos posted a fuckass build yesterday where you only get green items + witchmail and spam entanglement so you never die, pretty funny

>>743238789
>gigantic AoE slop fest
This is the biggest problem with the game by far. In other MOBAs the AoE bullshit isn't nearly as oppressive but in Deadlock 80% of the cast has gigantic AoE abilities that cover the entire lane. Those abilities are then buffed further by items. The 6v6 fights are genuinely terrible.

I've had access to deadlock since it's first round. I've played maybe 25 hours max. I have 0 interest in any multiplayer game unless it has a solid cosmetic setup. Make me a blue viper. I want paige to be holding a cook book and apron. I want lash to be a noir detective. Anyway game is solid but until they get cosmetics in FUCK deadlock

>>743247667
Basically all the top players now use IAD and edge/corner boosting constantly. I don't really care about this but I do find it kind of weird that dash jumping is taught in the tutorial but it should never be used outside of triggering Kinetic Dash and Arcane Surge.

I won't be playing the game until they fix the server regions in matchmaking. I have over 6000 hours in Dota 2 and Valve implemented 100% functional region locking almost a decade ago. In Deadlock, I'm forced to play on US West or EU West with 100 ping for zero fucking reason. I play every evening during after work hours in US East and still get sent to the fucking shadow realm more often than not. I have something like an 80% winrate when I have low ping and a 30% winrate with high ping. It's genuinely absurdist.

>>743274853
You can IAD on a bind (for now)

>>743274853
Is Dash jumping bad now? It used to be required to actually move large distances before.

>>743274942
Yes they cap your momentum and waste 1 stamina.

>>743274942
they buffed it recently but stamina mastery still makes air-dashing way better

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Do >we like joechuck?

>>743268593
Was that worthy advice for you anon? Would you prefer some other ways or methods?

>>743274359
I've tried that build. It's trash.

Yeah, you'll have the survivability of a nuclear bunker, but your damage output will be terrible, so you're almost entirely reliant on your team to compensate, which is not something I'd ever recommend in a regular pub.

That's another reason the bruiser build was so good: it was self-sufficient as hell and actually let you carry when you got farmed.

>>743274853
>>743247667
>>743245259
>>743244282
>>743240426
>>743239624
movetroon shit is fucking gay and the game would be 1000x better if it was slowed down significantly

troonlock

>>743268447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMwi0Oznns
quake lightning gun duels

the pleasure of playing a game before progression and cash shop

>>743277828
Fast Movement is literally all this game has going for it cause its not the flaccid gun play and its more engaging than path clicking in a normal moba

https://youtu.be/uSja-CZN9Bk

>>743280291
>more voiceline variety
>enemy might be able to hear who's carrying the urn from context
neat

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The problem with Deadlock is that Gaben's Chocolate Factory has zero employee oversight so a rogue autist can get away with endlessly tinkering with his tinkershit project for a decade with no plans to ever actually refine what exists into a worthwhile game.

>>743260817
it actually sounds like you need to go fishing

>>743277828
this is literally the only reason I play it at all and where all the appeal is
without the movement and shooting of the game it's just another moba
and every other "classic" moba just plainly sucks ass compared to dota and league

>>743284792
the movement isn't fun to pull off and just is annoying in how it invalidates the rest of the game

i hate the matchmaking and how sensitive the league players that came over are
you really can't suggest anything to anyone, not even ask them to build an item that would help them AND the match