>"EEEERRMMMM , just avoid the sightlines"As if this is possible on the most popular maps, like Upward and Badwater, which is just one giant sightline.>"EEEERRMMMM , just get near him"And get instakilled within half a second from a quickscope, or soaked in Jarate and crit melee'd.>"EEEERRMMMM , just do chip damage to throw his aim offThe Cozy Camper nullifies flinching, and a good sniper won't be thrown off by it anyway>"EEEERRMMMM , just set him on fireDarwin's Danger Shield invalidates afterburn>"EEEERRMMMM , just go Spy"Razorback invalidates backstabs, and you can't gun him down if he's standing by a sentry>"EEEERRMMMM , just go Sniper"No. Fuck you. I shouldn't have to be locked out of playing the other eight classes just to counter one, especially not Spy who is LITERALLY DESIGNED TO COUNTER SNIPER.Sniper mains who defend this bullshit are some of the biggest losers in TF2. These "people" have whined about every tiny drawback that initially balanced the class and have successfully pressured Valve to release items to counter every one of them. An unbelievable level of entitlement from these tryhards. An enemy of life. Antithetical to all living things.
if you get killed by sniperyou deserve it
>>743237835Snipers are the easiest kills for me, as someone who's actually good at the game. Truly incredible beyond words how awful sniper haters are at TF2.>t. 20 hours on Sniper with over 9,000 hours in the game. Boring class to play, beautiful class to fight due to his unique skillset.
>sniper simultaneously has every secondary equipped at onceThe real counter to sniper is overheal. He cant reactively deal more than 150 damage, so dont send people at him who are weaker than that. Get a medic that actually overheals people.
>>743237835>camper>danger shield>razorbacksniper can't wear all of those things at the same time, plan accordingly.Every class has their proper counters, stop getting mad that you can't counter sniper with a minigun at his effective range
>>743237835Overheal, uber and push.
Bitching about Sniper is what turned every community made map into a glorified Counter Strike map
I love how much this community has been hating on sniper when every pub im in it's almost always a medic combo or a spy that's top frag. There was this one time some demo kritz medic ecouple was completely and utterly rolling the enemy team but then they started crying on VC when some mid frag sniper got a dom off the demo despite the demo having like 3x their points. Then some other guys on VC joined in and started to agree with them and then this whole rant about sniper and his potential reworks went on until the match was over. It's so weird.
>>743237835HEADS UP
>>743239000the hate surrounding sniper is deeply rooted insecurity which has been pretty much an epidemic in this game's community for about half a decade now. people despise getting headshotted by a sniper because it feels more personal and thus the victim is more inclined to believe that they got shit on a lot harder than if some demo sticky spammed them and their entire team to death. im being genuinely serious too.
>>743238308Wrong. Sniper is bad game design specifically because you can't do fucking anything to actually protect yourself. The exchange is determined entirely by the sniper's skill.
>>743239000Spy is shit and you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>743239000>when every pub im in it's almost always a medic combo or a spy that's top fragBecause top frag isn't the same as anti-fun.
>>743239525Spy topscoring shows if a lobby is a noob lobby or not2 score points for a backstab means if a lobby is full of noobs that never spycheck and are slow to kill each other (bad aim), they get eaten up by a good spy who will go up the leaderboard very quickly.If most players in the lobby are competent, spy dies to spycheckers and players kill each other faster so his score is low compared to everyone even with double kill points.
>>743239000Why the fuck is a demo with full overheal complaining?Literally just jump at the sniper and delete him.He was too comfortable with a medigun up his ass and didn't want to take initiative or risk to send a sniper into the stone age, then blames the sniper for his inaction.
sniper is totally fine you just need two people to work together to take him downthat's what makes it TEAM fortress, you need a TEAM to beat one single guy who doesn't care that much about his team
>>743237835>DUHHHH SNIPER IS OPGo sniper too then? And make him too pissed off to keep using him? Unless you're admitting he's better at sniper than you are, but that's not the case right?
>>743239463>you can't do fucking anything to actually protect yourself.yes there isbe creative
>>743238462>just have a competent pyro with the scorch shot, spy, soldier that bombs, and medic that overheals in every single to counter all possible options he has in every match to counter uno classHow about just nerf the fucking sniper. Huntsman only or all of his secondaries need to be nuked to Sandman tier. Make him have to play TF2 a little bit
>>743241650he is playingjust better than you
>>743238308fpbpThe amount of skill issue in OP's post is bloody hilarious.
>>743237835so you're saying sniper is the best class in the game? damn, feels pretty good
>>743241757He is playing CS with infinite money while everyone else is playing TF2. Also the best players in the world agree he needs nerfs. Franly everyone agrees, it's just snipertroon contrarians with their gaslighting left to defend him.
>>743241941Yeah, he is OP bullshit and should be removed
>>743242071sounds like the best players need to git gud
Out-fucking-skilled, nigger.
>>743237835>All greens and following text list valid complaints to often-brought-up counters to Sniper, though not all of them are applicable at once to the same sniper in real gameplay.>The last counter is OP just straight up refusing to play counter-sniper.Maybe you should get good. Nothing gives you an ego-boost more than playing counter-sniper and being able to ACTUALLY outplay the enemy sniper. Especially if you do it exclusively through fully charged Machina bodyshots so he can't hide behind teammates.
>>743242071>He is playing CSno he's playing tf2>Also the best players in the world agree he needs nerfsno anon uncle dane and compfags don't speak for everyone and they frankly ruined the game to begin with
>>743242204>b4nny ruined TF2Snipertroons, everypony.
>>743242306>completely different name out of the aetherEthiopianDEITY...
>sniper mains seething in this thread because turns out people dont like to play against characers from an entire different game that needs to be countered with at least 3 guys per sniper
>>743237835Hit the bricks pal you're done
>he cannot even directly reply to his MASTERS anymore so he has to passive aggressively post to himself
The whole "nerf sniper" discussion got a lot more quiet after the bots got banned, funny isn't it?
I feel like it's compfags that complain about shit like this. It's a chaotic game full of explosions and instakills, not ASSFAGGOTS.
>>743239000People hate sniper because he doesn't actually influence the gamestate much outside of marginally slowing it down. The sniper team is a man down on the actual field and the sniped team has to just deal with the reality that a guy or two gets instantly dropped every once in a while (usually not enough to stop a push on its own).
>>743243129half of compfags don't even deal with sniper or he's a nonissue. 6's rarely has a sniper except for on last highlander fags have their entire mode revolve around sniper the main issue is that sniper insta kills from range and isn't consistently predictable (they can hide their laser sight or quick scope) something that is only relevant in "casual" where comms aren't used
>>743243129Comp players dont complain about sniper because sniper is the least mobile class that gets played outside of last holds, they always have a medic who overheals, and the moment the sniper gets noticed he is called out and gets jumped on by 300hp soldiers.Only highlander players complain about sniper and its because they've deluded themselves into playing an elevated pub with comms where nothing happens until either sniper gets a pick.
>>743240449>class exists to be nothing more than a time tax that you have to pay so everyone can go back to actually playing the gameSo there's no reason to keep him in the game then. Nice.
>>743237835C O P E OPESniper is easy as shit to counter, just use the detonator you stupid faget :-^) >t. A Pyro Main
>>743243742>half of compfags don't even deal with sniper or he's a nonissue. 6's rarely has a sniper except for on lastThat's because 6v6 fags almost exclusively play 5CP with some KOTH, and 5CP in particular is one of sniper's worst gamemodes because it heavily favours classes with good mobility. Plus sixes meta means that a lot of the things that make sniper a pain to deal with simply aren't present.If you're playing Scout in sixes and the enemy team has a sniper, you can just flank and shoot him in the back while he's distracted. In casual or highlander, he's almost certainly going to be near an engineer, meaning you can't flank him without dying to the inevitable level 3 sentry. Same goes for Soldier, you can just rocket jump and bomb him in sixes, but in casual you'll just get raped midair and flung off-course by sentry fire or a nearby Heavy before you can even land.
>>743244114*equips darwin's donger shield for afterburner immunity and more EHP than a soldier**runs up and oneshots you with a bucketed kukri crit*that's apples mate
i fucking hate heavies its nothing but a true cancer class of this game. the players behind heavy are always baby-brained retards and fucking always have medic who shoves his medgun up heavy's loose russian rectum. its not funny at all when your team has to fight a raid boss. no matter what, this faggot will absorbs all crockets and pipes at him with gusto and ask for more, while never fucking leaving the cap point. its nearly impossible to outmanuevre this fuck because it spins like a bayblade only way to deal with heavy is to have either god sniper or spy. or maybe get very good with dragon's fury, but its not guaranteed
>>743244331>switches to spy and stabs you to bait you to switch to razorback>suicide stabs your medic and respawns as pyromfmfmmfffmfmmmph
>>743244030>delusional scenario that he came up with entirely in his head
Scouts are worse
>>743239463Your team is supposed to have a sniper of their own to counter him
>>743242162Russians are so fucking gay
I love playing Scout!
>>743237835>And get instakilled within half a second from a quickscope, or soaked in Jarate and crit melee'dyou won't even get there becwsue he has an entire team in front of him. its called the back lines for a reason
>>743239000checked
>>743239978I need 2 people to kill 1 person reliably regardless of skill gap? That doesn't sound right.
Make it so sniper can't do damage to engineer buildings. There, game is now fixed.Also, reduce soldier and demoman damage to buildings too.
It's weird that Sniper is allowed to 1shot on quickscope, the devs specifically called out not wanting to support that playstyle in the developer commentary but for some reason never bothered to just lower his uncharged headshot damage to 120 or something
>>743237835Even if I agree sniper is OP I can’t agree with you because you post like an obnoxious faggot.
>>743239000trips of trvth
>>743244403Only complete noobs complain about heavies. They're the most easily rapeable class in the game outside of spy.
>>743237835>As if this is possible on the most popular maps, like UpwardUpward has a fuckton of altpaths and sightline breaks, what the hell are you talking about? The only kind of bad part of Upward is 1st and if you can't cap Upward 1st you're legitimately fucking terrible at the game.
>>743239000he's the only class in the game where 1v1ing is not handled at a 1v1 range. its actually a 0v1 until you get close enough. and its also a mostly instakill class killing 5/9 classes with a headshot if not overhealed, 2 more of them with minimal charge, and all but one with a followup bodyshot. Plus its not like killing you outright is needed to ruin your current life>be soldier>get headshot>50hp>will kill myself with 2 rocketjumps assuming nobody hits Mr with anything else after>must leave battle the moment that happens>waddling All he needs is to look at you and see your head. Spy needs positioning to the back safely, cloak management, disguise management, and awareness to strike and live to tell the tale. Sniper just needs to not overextend... thats it.
Kill yourself jaknigger.
>>743244316>all this textyeah I know all of that that's why I pointed it out. 6's players dont (usually) kvetch about him >>743244403its incredible that Team Fortress as a series was designed to be played by casuals and yet you have people who come here and display their inability to even play a casual team game.
>>743249265overthinking is a very bad habit and needs to be discussed
>>743243732>People hate sniper because it's a useless classNot really getting that vibe
>>743237835you can't dodge?
>>743237835Quickscoping has no reason to exist. Sniper mains main argument for it is "it's so absurdly difficult it never comes up" yeah cool, no problem getting rid of it then.
*cough*
*looks up and down*
>>743244331Why have you invented this mythical sniper that immediately and perfectly counters everything you do?
>>743237835>wojakposterDidn't read a word of it but you deserved it.
>>743237835>>"EEEERRMMMM , just get near him">And get instakilled within half a second from a quickscope, or soaked in Jarate and crit melee'd.>>"EEEERRMMMM , just do chip damage to throw his aim off>The Cozy Camper nullifies flinching, and a good sniper won't be thrown off by it anyway>>"EEEERRMMMM , just set him on fire>Darwin's Danger Shield invalidates afterburn>>"EEEERRMMMM , just go Spy">Razorback invalidates backstabs, and you can't gun him down if he's standing by a sentryAh yes Sniper the character that can use 4 secondaries at once
>>743257821didn't readyou're mad lol
