>$457 million lawsuit jesus fucking christ it keeps getting worse
hopefully they drown in antitrust lawsuits, faggots.
>>743241376
>>743241002Your honor they broke the law called... uhh...
It won't be the EU suing them, because they wanted this to happen. https://web.archive.org/web/20161125135500/https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is
>>743241635aggravated big gay having
>>743241002>lawsuit for not having physical games? how does this work
>>743241002oh no, multibillion company is losing pocket change, surely they will change course
>>743241680They suing for some monopoly shit like if they remove disks only place to buy snoy games will be ps store , something like that
>>743241761i mean...it's sony's console so why shouldn't they be allowed to do that?i don't play on consoles btw just really confused about this
The biggest argument against digital is >what if they don't got internet or a computerlike, what then
>>743241709either they change course or they burn their business to the ground. either way, i will shrimply not give playstation money.
>>743241709Dude that's almost half a billion and there are probably other lawsuits on the way
If Valve can do it why can't Sony?
>>743241680>>743241798You can't purchase digital versions of Sony games anywhere other than the PS store. Not on amazon, gamestop, etc... so it's a "monopoly".
Is now the time to PepeLaugh or should I wait?
>>743241662The eu will never ever side against corpos.
>>743241945So if I can't play Nintendo games on Playstation, is that a monopoly? Because I simply must have Nintendo games.
>>743242018eu forced apple to open up access to different app stores
>>743241002why does /v/ believe these retarded tweets, this isn't happening at all
>>743241945They are selling codes in boxes.
>>743242018nintendo just stopped selling the switch 1 to the eu because of the easy battery replacement requirement
>>743241002I can't believe how Jewish and gay sony became the second Americans took over their HQ.
>>743241002GPT looking tweet
>>743241945>omg wtf why can I only purchase apple products at an apple store? THIS IS LE MONOPOLY>>743242095selling codes in boxes isn't illegal
>>743242057You can buy Nintendo games from other companies than just Nintendo.Yes, their eshop is only digital store for Switch 1/2 games, but you always have the option of buying physical, or for example borrow games etc.If you only can buy games from Sony's own digital store, it means you can't resell, borrow, rent, and are 100% dependent on Sony's servers to be able to buy or sometimes even access some games.Imagine when support for that console goes away. Like PS3 and Vita did. Your console becomes a useless brick unless it has all games you "own" downloaded on it.
>>743241798i think the main issue is that they sell a console with disc support at a premium (the ps5 has both a digital only and a disc+digital versions) and then stop making discs
>>743241002meh you won't do shit cuck
>>743241002>$457 million lawsuitThat's not even one Marathon in losses.
>>743242236You can buy apple products outside apple stores, what are you on about?
>>743241945>You can't purchase digital versions of Sony games anywhere other than the PS store. Not on amazon, gamestop, etc... so it's a "monopoly".Is this an actual legal argument? Cus the console is sony's, you are entirely within sony's ecosystem, you're either free to get fucked by sony or find a better platform
>>743242374
>>743241709That's one whole Concord, roughly 5% of their yearly profit.
>>743241635DMCA with consumer protections.A non physical game isnt a product its a service and services need to be backed up with fail to deliver clauses
>>743241002Literally chump change to them. Sorry fuckwad but digital is the future.
>>743242572>>743242324>>743242093Do you like your boot with or without salt
>>743242247But why does Nintendo hardwarw have a monoply on anintendo games? It's literally anti trust
>>743242572but how much of this is their gaming divisionthe company as a whole has money but is it wise to pump shit into something that is just a fracture of profits
>>743242236>You can't purchase digital versions of Sony games anywhere other than the PS store. Not on amazon, gamestop, etc... so it's a "monopoly".
>>743242265thisthere's a reason why PSP couldn't drop UMDs (PSPGo was manufactured along with 3000s on top of making it clear that it's "digital-only", PSP Street had UMD reader despite cutting all possible corners, etc)
>>743241002>The digital store will soon become the only place to purchase new gamesFrom the announcement post>Following this date, new games will be available on PlayStation Store and at retailers in digital formats only.
>>743242559armchair lawyer
>>743241940You can still register your original Half-Life disc on Steam
>>743242672That's exactly the same thing
>>743242605I’ve simply accepted my place in the permanent underclass. You should too.
>>743242093https://wccftech.com/sonys-disc-free-2028-plan-hands-it-total-price-control-dutch-group-warns/
>>743242739Hell no
>>743242739>owning nothing and being happybased
>>743242247>Imagine when support for that console goes away. Like PS3 and Vita didit's extra-funny when you consider the fact that they announced legacy store shutdown ALONG WITH DISC PRODUCTION SHUTDOWNjust what the fuck were they thinking ?
>>743242718just like you can still play assassin's creed 1 on your ps3?
>>743241002This is nothing. I bet they have already calculated how much extra money they will be making by ditching physical and it is probably way more than $457m in the long run. So I bet we can kiss physical releases goodbye.
>>743242724can retailers sell the game codes cheaper than the psn store?
>>743242639isn't PlayStation their only profitable division? kek
>>743241002oh nonono bros...the filthy rich corporation will have to throw a coin at the dutch government or something. but remember, keep up the pressure!#resistcapitalism
>>743242572Oh my god, you think net worth equals immediate physical holdings, lmao
>>743241002They'll sell code in a box to retailers
It's fucking OVER
>>743242739>erm nothing matters so im just gonna take it like a good little boy If zoomers just voted even a fraction as much as they complained we would live in a different world
>>743242965>votedlollmao
>>743242948That's not any better
Reminder its not hypocritical to demand physical copies from duplicitous backstabbing dirtbag organizations who will not hesitate to wipe thousands of dollars of digital purchases from your account. While at the same time trusting one other company with those digital purchases that has a decade long reputation of protecting your digital assets.
>>743242871Like a decade ago, they've managed to turn music, tvs and cameras around to make bank but none of them are as profitable as their gaming division.
>>743242645>wtf why is sony the only one selling sony products>le monopoly
i stopped buying from sony after the ps3, don't know why you guys keep expecting better from them
>>743243046>music, tvs and camerasI'm not /p/ but>musicisn't it just streaming these days?>tvswho even buys TVs these days?
>>743243021In Gabe We Trust. At least until he's dead.
>>743241002kek, there is no legal basis for this. Companies can set the prices of their products however they want.
>>743242965>just vote bro
>>743243145>hates company that want to go 100% digital>loves company that is 100% digital/v/tards
>>743243184Only 13 million?
>>743241002b-but what about nintendo...?
>>743241002>spend years paying for exclusives so other brands can't build an audience on a different console>corner the market >shut down the secondary market with no physical>raise prices every year foreverCapitalism
>>743243240PC != consolePhysical is the only way to ensure you can "own" your game on a DRM boxPC on the other hand has piracy, or if you don't want to do anything illegal, GOG/Goldberg emu for Steam games
>>743243305PC != Steamnow read my post again
>>743243287>Capitalism>look inside>IP Law
>>743243343Where did I say PC = Steam?
>>743242247Actually you can buy digital codes for Nintendo games on some retailers too. Don't know why you'd want to but it's an option. Of course you then still have to redeem them on the eshop.
>>743243242No, it was much more.
>>743243240Again how is it hypocritical to demand physical copies from duplicitous backstabbing dirtbag organization who will not hesitate to wipe thousands of dollars of digital purchases from your account. While at the same time trusting another organization with those digital purchases that has a decade long reputation of protecting your digital assets.
>>743243287>spend years paying for exclusives so other brands can't build an audience on a different consoleWhat is funny is that all of the companies that were bribed by sony for timed exclusivity abandoned ship as seen in the last SGF>Atlus abandoned them>Squeenix abandoned them>The shadow of the collossus guy abandoned them>Stellar blade people abandoned them>Probably Kojima too since he is salty about amazon simulator 2 not doing so hotPoetic justice bitch.
>>743243240Valve isn't 100% digital. It wasn't to waste money on hardware, too.
>>743241002I stopped buying anything Sony years ago, so until they get their shit together (which I doubt anybof the 3 will), I'm already doing my part in never giving them money againI just hope there's enough pr damage for Sony to realize they can only fuck people so hard before they start to realize safe words don't mean anything anymore >>743241376Not as long as Donny's letting every big company do whatever the fuck they want if they lick his taint enough
>>743243536It's hypocritical cause you haven't owned a Playstation in decades.
>>743243552>blumpf out of nowherelmfao what obsession
>>743243240Valve is for PC games specifically. It's not their responsibility to keep physical games alive. That's Sony's, Nintendo's, and Microsoft's.
>>743243374Where did i say anything about PC in my first post?>>743243536you should demand digital rights from sony if you're a steamfag, not physical copies. you're a hypocrite.>>743243546That's hardware you retard, sony is also "not 100% digital" in that case
>>743243596Surely i can trust my digital games to most hackable game company in the world, meanwhile how many times has steam been hacked?
>>743243596Yeah because Sony hasnt offered good products since the PS3. I still buy physical PS3 games btw
>>743241940Because valve is just a storefront that is considered primarily digital, and has plenty of "competition".
>>743243669>demand promises and rights from a company with a history of trampling promises and rightsOh yeah. Real practical solution there.
>>743242739Go retro, anonEither 2nd hand or these fpgas that've been popping up If these big companies keep getting away with everything they try, they'll only continue to take more for themselves until consumers have nothing left
>>743243680>>743243707>SONY IS FUCKING ME OVER >SONY GOING DIGITAL IS A TERRIBLE IDEA>SONY IS A PIECE OF SHIT COMPANY THAT'LL TAKE EVERY FROM YOU>btw I haven't given Sony a dime in 25 yearsAh, so all the backlash were actually non-Snoys. The cattle were fine with digital all along.
>>743243057Are you purposely being dense or are you really retarded? People have said multiple times that you can purchase other consoles games on places like Amazon you cannot do that with Sony digital games. This isn't that hard of a concept.
>>743241940Valve offers you a lifetime license when you "buy" a game. Sony gives you a one time license for that system. So you have to re buy the game for each playstation iteration
>>743243669the only way you could get digital rights on a console is if it stops being a consolewhat's bad about a digital console is that the operating system is completely proprietary and locked down, designed to not let you use the software you want and it has a vendor lock into get rid of that would mean basically shipping a linux prebuilt, which would mean all the value offering of a console disappearing since it can no longer be sold at an upfront loss
>>743243707>>743243752they're both resellers monkeys. only sony wants to play the valve game now.you're buying the propaganda
>>743242803They think they'll make a lot more money if they keep prices the same, but cut out retailers and production costs.Ala capitalism working as intended
>>743241002You can't sue someone for something they haven't actually done. Retarded twitter thread.
>>743242605Does it make you feel better that you complain about Sony's cock raping your ass despite knowing full well it won't stop no matter how hard you beg?
>>743243887So without salt, got it.
>>743243619nta but this admin has been an absolute gold rush for further consolidation of industry which directly makes working class people's live even shittier
>>743243829you can play ps4 games on ps5 and previous consoles had retro compatibility... it's a matter of compatibility, if a company does not make a 2001 game compatible with modern windows valve can't do shit..
>>743243886DMCA has a clause that links to a EU international treaty. The country can absolutely sue under the clause of the treaty
>>743243939that's right sister, sony would've never done this if (D) was in office, in fact sony would've announced they're ending digital-only games!
>>743243850>Ala capitalism working as intendedI mean yeah this high time preference decision is going to bankrupt Snoy lol
>>743243837that's why this whole physical bullshit whining makes no sense, discs already had DRM shit on it. people need to speak against DRM but they're goys who get angry at whatever is on twitter
>>743241002Fake news
>>743241002>>$457 million lawsuitIt's pennies for them, unless the court forces them to keep disc production, they'll just pay whatever they're asked and continue the plans as usual.
>>743244140>It's pennies for themIt's actually about 2 Marathons
>>7432441405% of their profit from 2025 is nothing?
>>743241002>instead of sony funding dozens of simple Triple A titles to massively increase their 1st party line-up they will be funding their attorney fees for the next 5 years and keep around the same 3 or 4 AAAA slop shits nobody actually cares about FOR DA PLAYERS
>>743243850>It's capitalism>Capitalism>This is literally capitalism>Capitalism>It's capitalism guys>Textbook capitalismWe get it reddit people using a system in bad ways is it working as intended just like the Government is supposed to be corrupt but when its about some gay ideology you have it doesn't countPost it a few more times to kickstart the revolution of the fucking gaming board about a literal consumer product
>>743244343>funding dozens of simple Triple A Anon, that's like 1 Concord worth of money
>>743244341Is that their gaming division profit or overall company profit
>>743244457>My perfect form of capitalism hasn't been tried.Okay redditor, great job proving you're just as obnoxious as the communists and that horseshoe theory is a bitch.
>>743242236Funny you bring up apple since they lost a case in the EU and had to allow alternative app stores there.It'll be interesting to see if something similar happens to Playstation now that they're in the same boat.
>>743242572now ask it "how mych papstahion worth as a cpnay" Just as Microsoft are getting tired of Xbox's shit, so are Sony.
>>743243939Sounds like my favorite anime. When do we get all the cool robotics and cybernetic technology?
>>743244517Don't try an pretend you're not a communist. Capitalism is a system built on the foundation that the people have the power to contest bad actors while communism is built on the foundation that bad actors have the full power of the state behind them. Wether or not capitalism is flawed doesn't matter because there isn't and hasn't been a better system.
>>743242018They already did multiple times. They are not the US government
>>743241002>>743241376>>743241945>>743243095>>743243287You won't do shit goy
>>743244853>If you think capitalism is a shitty system, you're a communist>Implying both both systems don't have bad actors in power to control the government. Both your systems suck.
>>743244985Why should I do anything when consolecucks get what they fucking deserve?
>>743241002At this point, I'm chillin' with popcorn in hand. This shit is a spectacle.
>>743241002>>$457 million lawsuit >jesus fucking christ it keepsthats just one of them every lawyer firm in every country will be salivating at suing sony for anti consumer practices its easy money as every nation is in favour of their consumer/customers alongside the industry, stores and factories over a business from japansony is legit fucked
>sony wants to save money>show people that physical sales are very low compared to digital>could be smart and state that they will cut down a bit on physical, mostly focusing on special editions>or be retarded and say lol goodbye physical forever
>>743244343>instead of sony funding dozens of simple Triple A titlesWith how they budget games, 457 million is one AAA title. >>743244694Or how the EU forced Apple to adopt the USC-C when they originally used Lightening, which only worked for apple products.>>743243242>>743243184If you want a slight ray of hope. This included the most heavily Jewish district in the country, and the Israeli candidate for that race came in third place, behind the unapologetic pro Palestinian candidate who wants to cut off all aid to Israel. So while politics is still P2W, it's not impossible to break through.Also SKG almost succeeded the first go around in California without any push by consumers like in the EU, and it only fell short because ESA did their usual bribe and lie campaign to get conservatives to vote in lock step to block it.So imagine what will happen if consumers were organized to educate legislators against the lies of the ESA.I'd be shitting myself if I was a corpo bootlicker.
>>743244853>Capitalism is a system built on the foundation that the people have the power to contestnta but taxes will keep increasing and nobody will do shit like good little goyim while getting poorer, it's no different from being submissive to a commie party.
>>743245119>show people that physical sales are very low compared to digitalEven that was proven to be bunk because Sony considered downloading F2P games, (not buying anything for it, just downloading it) as a digital 'sale'
>>743245043>>743245142>ever-expanding government instituting ever-expanding legislation on business and taxing you more by the yearthis doesn't sound like free markets
>>743245235>My perfect form of capitalism has not been triedHorseshoe theory is a bitch.
>>743245308capitalism is a term made up by marx that simply means free market, people being free to trade with one another without excessive centralised controlso ever-expanding government instituting ever-expanding legislation on business and taxing you more by the year doesn't really sound like free markets, probably because every first world country is a mixed economy
>>743241002for what reason did sony have to justify their online prices?surely if it's their product, they can set any price they want.that stuff is only illegal if they are colluding with competitors to all raise their prices by the same degree
>>743245142>>743245043Neither of you even have an idea of what capitalism is. It's the right for people to have private property and everything that comes with it like using it, refining it, selling, lending and whatever else. Capitalism is what gives you the right to shitpost on your computer about how bad it supposedly is. Bad actors in a communist setting have absolute power and only force or mass defection can remove them. Bad actors in capitalism will need to jump over countless hurdles and will need to incrementally try to undo or circumvent all your protections. In communism your rights are gone from day 1. In capitalism it can take decades for the communistic rot to set in and even then it's a tug of war with the potential to gain ground back.
>>743241002I don't think ps owners want steam on playstation
>>743245045>t. steamcuck
>>743245413>My perfect form of capitalism has not been tried>AgainBoth capitalism and communism are shitty systems, the difference is you're shilling for one, for free.
>>743245731>reading comprehension this severeamazing
>>743241680You won't be able to buy games for their console anywhere but the PlayStation Store. Even if you buy a code at retail, it still gets redeemed through the PlayStation Store.Retail and the secondhand market were the only things keeping the console manufacturers clear of Anti-Trust law. You can't build a walled garden like that unless there's a practical reason. And since the hardware on the Xbox Series and PlayStation 5 aren't meaningfully different from a typical PC, they can't really argue that it's impractical to allow other storefronts to operate on their platforms instead of paying for Sony or Microsoft's distribution and support infrastructure. There's no reason you can't have Origin or Steam or EGS for PS5 or Xbox anymore, so any refusal to allow it to exist is nothing but an anticompetitive practice. At least when they were making discs, they had console specific antipiracy features.
>>743245725I pirate my games which is a way to ensure I own them, consolecuck
>>743245807>An ESL too.Sublime.
>>743245926>explicitly explain why it isn't A or B but actually C>"wow why do you love A so much when both A and B are bad???"concession accepted i guess, work on that reading comprehension buddy
>>743245975>So ashamed of capitalism that you're trying to rebrand it now.>Still trying to do the 'My perfect form of capitalism has not be tried'Your system is shit, and so are you. I'll take your concession now.
>>743245868No you don't, shartytroon. You've got a steam library five hundred games deep and everyone knows it. Lying won't save you or make you a real woman.
>>743241945You can buy the code in a box at gamestop, or walmart, or target, or fucking wherever. Not a monopoly, dingus.
I have purchased a SONY product (at least video games?) in almost 20 years.Seriously.
>>743246315Wow
>>743246252Proof? Sony's making it sound like they're cutting out retailers entirely to pocket all that money.
>>743246315Last thing I bought from them was Ghost of Tsushima. That was 6 years ago now.
>>743246148genuine mental retardation
>>743246580>Concession statusAccepted
>>743241002it's just twitter idiots pretending that something is happening, how new are you people?
>>743246315>>743246438>Always bought Nintendo systems and games>Never had a playstation or it's games>Even if Sony started porting their first party games to the Switch 2 I wouldn't buy them because their games are genuinely uninteresting to me.I can't think of a single first party Sony games I'd want to play.
>>743242236>selling codes in boxes isn't illegalI could "sell you a PlayStation" code in a box, too.You'd still have to redeem it through the PlayStation Online Store if you wanted to play the game, though.Furthermore, I could "sell you" something you need to redeem, but if you go to officially redeem it and they determine, "this code says L0LUF4CKINGDUM8. We will not give you a copy of our game." Then you really got scammed, didn't you?Are you defending scammers?
>>743246642>replies within seconds desperate to get the final word living with schizophrenia must not be easy when you frequently make up shit in your own head and then get mad at that, so i'll let you have it :DD
>>743241635...shipping a console with no games.
>>743246783I grew up with N64 and PS1. Games like Megaman X4, Crash 3 and MediEvil are as close to my heart as Banjo-Kazooie, Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time.
>>743246858>Admitting he's lost and only replying now to get the last word.This is where you cry projection.
>>743243240it gets even worse if you bring up all of the anti trust suits against Valve
>>743241002>$457 million lawsuitThat's chump change. The new Spider-man movie will cover it and still make a profit
>>743242426Yes, it's an actual legal argument. Moreover it's the reason Apple has been forced to allow third-party app stores on iOS in the EU.
>>743241940Valve doesn't mandate any DRM, doesn't revoke licenses unless you refund the game, and provides so many extra services for free, that technically not having ownership is potentially a worthy tradeoff. They don't even revoke your license if you get VAC Banned. You just can't play on official servers. If you'd like to play the game on community servers, or over LAN, you're still perfectly free to do that.
>>743242426The entire ideology of being 100% "digital" is not selling you "ownership of a product," you're being sold "subscription to a service."Product Ownership ≠ Service EntitlementAnd, yes; when a company promises/markets one, but only offers the other, it's an illegal lie that becomes a criminal offense.
>>743241002Every company eventually destroys itself.
>>743242964And that makes two.The momentum is picking up, now we wait for the snowball to turn into an avalanche.
>>743247082Sure, it's not the historical ~4 billion loss they had with bungie but it still trumps concord by quite a bit.
>>743241804Yeah. It's a product. It should be playable entirely offline without ever connecting to the net.
>>743247134>technically not having ownershipHowever if steam went down right now you'd see links posted to goldberg emu everywhere, which is an easy (and legal if you care) setup that lets you play vast majority of steam games without even having steam installed
>>743244985You're right, I won't do shit, such as buying Sony products. Thinking about it, the only Sony product I own is a set of $15 earbuds, at least those are still of good quality, I've had them for 2 years already.
>>743246159>lying>about piracywhat a confusing statement, are you some teenager who thinks only leet hackermen can pirate media?
>>743241002they deserve worse>>743241376based
>>743247165You have to actively resist the self destructive nature of capitalism's "Line must go up immediately at all costs", which funnily enough Nintendo does. Which is why they've still on top.Imagine the alternate Timeline where sony had Animal Crossing, they would absolutely start charging money for individual items, cloths and villagers.
>>743247082>The new Spider-man movie will cover it and still make a profitThere is a new one? I'm starting to think even normgroids are getting spiderman fatigue since the second game sold notably worse than the first one.
Solving scarcity by abolishing capitalism is like solving hunger by abolishing food.
>>743247673Capitalism is fine, it just needs guard rails to keep corporations and politicians from raping the world to death.
>>743244985correct, i will be sitting by and watching sony lose billions because i am OBJECTIVELY smarter than nearly everyone who works there
>>743247228Modern posters do not understand life without connection to the Internet.The Internet "always was" and "always will be," and having a router malfunction or a power outage is life-threatening and obscene to them.They do not understand their Credit Card # shrinking to look get digital codes to download online images is "not ownership."The entitlement is through the roof.
>>743242387You can buy PlayStations at Walmart and GameStop
>no floor space >Online retail have ton of reasons to fuck them up since they get jackshit from code in a box shit.>John balogun can't walk in and buy then current console + sportsball or cawadoodyWhat is the endgame here?
>>743241002Doesn't Sony literally sell disc drives for the PS5? Seems kind of fucked up to sell a disc drive if you're planning on nuking physical games. Should have just waited for the PS6.
>>743241376>>743241002The lawsuit won't go anywhere. Sony is a private company and can choose any distribution model they see fit. They can even choose to phase out a console and produce absolutely no more media for it.You don't like it? Then sell your PS5 and get a PC like a real man. Then you can pick and choose what you buy or pirate.
>>743248062If you have purchased a lot of games (Apple apps) in the past, but Sony (Apple) announces>Update our Playstation (iPhone) now.>Failure to update will result in account and platform ban.>You lose all access to your past-purchases.What do you do?Is their demand reasonable?
>>743248167Worse because disk drive have it's own DRM.
That guy in Brazil is going to get $700 and not get his account back.
>>743248383has this happened? what kind of retard buys an iphone?
>>743248095Sony literally and figuratively creating a monopoly so they can keep all the money
>>743248289>Sony is a private company
>>743241635monopoly is an obvious one.
>>743248497Why is it a monopoly
>>743248289>can chooseYes, they sure can! I "can choose" to murder your pet cat, too!>any distribution model they see fitWhich, if it becomes a monopolization of resources, becomes a criminal offense and suffers legal retribution for their choices....and, potentially, so do you!>No more PS Store means no more PS games>Yes, that DOES include "retro" PS games.>Well, if you have to log-in, that is.
>>743241002Is it truly that time again?
>>743248383>>743248457They just stop updating your phone model and force you to buy a new one. Then there was the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit apps that cut off a lot of old things.
>>743247668Spider-man is one of the few superheroes whose movies still make bank. That's actual Spider-man movies thought, not the shit like Kraven or Madame Web that Sony tried to spinoff from it
>Digital is good for everyone>Raise PSN prices either way
>>743248289>SonyYou mean Sony Interactive Entertainment AKA PlayStation.
>>743241940Because PC isn't a closed platform, you can install games from any usb port if you want, or from another store, or even mount a fake CD to pretend it's on physical. PC itself isn't closed.
i have yet to hear a reason to buy a ps6 with it taking away the only reason you would buy a console with it being physical media
>>743244140technically it's 457 millions then daily fines until they comply or leave the entirety of the EU market. That's why google and microsoft keep paying those "low" fines, EU has a "daily fine" follow up that will just kill you if you don't comply.
that 457 mil could have gone into marathon 2 you fucking FUCKSARE YOU HAPPY?!
>>743241002>$457 millionChump change these days
>>743241940You have alternative options on PC. your alternative options on console were discs, and now they're taking that away
>>743241002>implying they'll win the lawsuitThey'll lose since codes in the boxes exist. Functionally nothing will change for retailers so this lawsuit has no grounds to stand on.And you can bet your ass these lawyers are just looking to make a quick buck. They sure as hell won't give me or any other Dutchman any if they win.
>>743249362I detest this line of thinking. That is an almost incomprehensibly large amount of money to most people.
>>743249749Nintendo have to put those fuckhuge code in box or GKC warnings for a reason.
If there is not disc drive next gen, I'm going full STEAM.
>>743242964>Aguja dinamicaoh no bros
>>743241002Os how much money have they lost since concord?Why the CEO hasn't been fired yet?
>>743249834Who gives a fuck, it isn't Sony McPlaystation who is personally paying the fine, it's the company
>>743249840And Sony will just do the same?
>>743250071Because a concord is a drop in the ocean for them
>>743242572How the fuck did it understand the question?
>>743250126Because it's pretty obvious? lol
>>743250078lol, lmao even.
>>743248568you have to use the PS store and there's no way around it.Buy game key -> have to go to PS storeBuy digital -> only sold at the PS store
>>743250314But since the console is the same brand as the store, doesn't that just make sense
>>743241940PC has stores aside from Steam and nothing is stopping PC devs from selling physical copies (it happens every now and then). Sony is forcing all Playstation games to be sold through their online store, and nowhere else. You may say there's no practical difference, but courts love to get hung up minor details and technicalities.
>>743242324Suing them sounds like doing shit to me.
>>743250178I don't see what's so funny. Is there something I don't know? Or are you just another loser with sony derangement syndrome?
>>743243021I think we should also be demanding physical PC games. But that's a separate issue.
Reminder you can set up your own console and make physical discs, just like you can set up a CRT factory at any time.
>>743250568Why? In the end it boils down to game preservation, offline games on PC are perfectly preserved
>>743250483Kill yourself sonytard
>>743250125>drop in the oceanIf they're so fucking rich then surely maintaining a disc processing plant won't strain their finances too much.
>>743248289>Sony is a private companySony doesn't even own itself.
oh no, the corporation might have to pay a fee. surely this will accomplish something like it always does
>>743250592There's a pretty big difference in feasibility between those two things. Anyone with a CD burner and some CD-Rs can make physical games. You need a factory and all kinds of specialized industrial equipment to make a tube that's actually usable for gaming. Sure you could make low refresh rate super low res monochrome display out of a light bulb that doubles as an x-ray machine, but you're not gonna be doing gaming on that.
>>743250739Looks like I was right then.You don't have any actual arguments or knowledge, just an irrational hatred of Sony.
who cares about physical discs in 2026? this crap really is just some communist tranny's 'SHOW IT TO DA MAHN' fantasy.
>>743250660Preservation is a separate issue from physical games. The only way to have true preservation is to allow customers to backup, copy, and run the digital files. Anything that relies on a finite quantity of physical discs can not be perpetually preserved. Eventually those discs will rot or be scratched until none are left.Physical games are about game distribution that's transferable and not dependent on internet connection or publishers.
>I almost bought a ps5(to play my 4k discs) a year ago.
>>743250940>who cares about physical discs in 2026?Me. My only interest in consoles is used games on disc. Without disc there's literally no reason not to just play on PC.
>>743251057well you shouldn't really be giving a shit about physical discs in any case because no good games are being released ever again, so.
>>743250314NTA, I don't think it's really not a monopoly, but it will become a very tightly closed garden. If you want a Sony exclusive, then yes, your only option will be to buy from their online store, but you still have the other consoles and PC if you want to play a multiplatform game. Multiplatform game prices also completely depend on the publisher and unless Sony pulls a "PS tax" out of their asses just to charge even more compared to the rest, games should still be priced the same as everywhere else, where the only difference in pricing should be in-platform sales and discounts.On the other hand, they're already applying dynamic pricing to their sales, so it has been evident for a while that their plan is to nickel and dime all of their current customers as much as they can get away with.
>>743250940I care about physical discs when they're more than glorified installers, and the industry's move away from this mode of distribution is an inexcusable failing.>but games are getting too big to be read from discNot something I asked for. I've enjoyed games from the last few years that could fit on a PS1 disc.
>>743242804not on my 4 or 5 though. not even store bought games work crossplatform, despite those existing on all of them.
>>743250940Considering the Insomniac leak, over 60% of PS owners.
>>743251281Fuga's getting a physical release this year. Already pre-ordered it for Xbox.
Why are gaymers more worried that they won't be able to play 25 year old games than they are about anything else about the coming dystopia that they think will take their games?
>>743251530What is the "anything else" in this context?
>>74325153025 year old games are the ones that are worth playing
>>743250997>game distribution that's transferable and not dependent on internet connectionCouldn't care less to be honest with you family
>>743251602israel, probably
>>743251692That's what I care about. I like physical goods. No point in buying anything digital, because none of it is real.
>>743251530>whataboutism
>>743250125If they're that stinkin rich then why did they not keep concord alive if they could afford to keep it alive
>>743250747>blackrock>blackrock>blackrock
>pclards have been kvetching about sony for a solid week or twolmao mindbrokenguess who's not playing gta6 at launch? keep missing out on the biggest gaming event in history pathetic losers
>>743251902The problem isn't just most people playing on PC not caring about having their games as physical discs, virtually no prebuilt PC comes with a disc drive and most modern mid to full tower cases also completely omit the 5.25 inch drive bayHowever the world certainly wouldn't be worse off if physical became popular on PC again so nothing but luck on that push
>>743251996To be fair, pulling the plug on that was the right move. They just took way too long to do it. Shit should've been outright cancelled.
I only have PC and Switch 2
>>743252294nobody gives a shit about phys on pc because we can make our own physical with drm free games paid for or pirated its just a disc burn away, you cant do fuck all on console that is even close to ownership with digital in comparison to PC, i see no reason in buying consoles if its all digital
>>743250747> Top shareholder is literally 10 different flavors of Blackrock so they can hide how much pull they actually have in the company......This explains, so, **SO** much about SIE and Sony in general.Holy shit.
>>743251045It's still a decent blu ray player thoughSony stopping physical doesn't change this
>>743252294The reason PCs don't have disc drives anymore is because games don't come on disc anymore. If there were physical games, there would be PCs to play them. Remember there was a time when most PCs had networking capability either, but the availability of network capable software created a demand for network capable PCs.Cases with 5.25" bays still exist and external disc drives also exist.
>>743252610yeah anon i'm sure the reason for that is hiding it, you're one of the few geniuses who saw past the facade
>>743252638yeah, but couldn't he just buy a dedicated blu ray player for less?
>>743252649>Cases with 5.25" bays still exist~5% of the market according to what I found>external disc drives also existAbsolutely pitiful reading speeds
>this small irrelevant country is going to take legal action against you if you release a console without a drive in their country >ok , so just don't release it there simples
>>743252681Unironically it probably is. Shell companies are a great way of avoiding anti trust suits and FTC investigations. If Blackrock owns the entire video game industry directly, they'd have their assets broken up. If companies they own majority share in do it, then its perfectly fine.
>>743252706I doubt anything cheaper will be that much better, especially with the increases in prices everywhere.But yeah he could I guess.
>>743242572Paying a fine doesn't give carte blanche to keep doing whatever illegal thing you got fined for. And fines for repeat offenders are usually incremental. If they don't course correct they can look forward to ever increasing fines.
>>743250740Ending production of physical media has absolutely nothing to do with finances and everything to do with control.
>>743241002They can pay out that lawsuit and not give a fuck about it, anon They are literally drowning in money.
>>743252740>~5% of the market according to what I foundHardly a conclusive scientific study. And again even if it is 5%, it does exist. The number would doubtlessly grow if people suddenly had a need for disc drives.>Absolutely pitiful reading speedsYou install PC games before you play them though. The disc is just for distribution. Its been this way since the proliferation of hard drives in personal computers. But of course you could design the game with these low read speeds in mind and make it not need absurdly fast read times to run. Games from the 90s and early 2000s got by just fine on 1x CD ROM drives and consoles were loading from 2x DVD drives will into the 2010s.
>>743243915You really have no room to talk, since you're going to buy a PS6 because you have literally no self-control or willpower.
>>743252973Then why are they so desperate to get rid of physical discs?
>>743241002>keep discs>still needs to download 100 gigs for game to workYOU ARE FUCKING CATTLE, HOLY RETARDATIONHOW MUCH OF A WINDOW LICKER DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO NOT PIRATE GAMES IN ANNO DOMINI?
>>743253107because they want to get rid of the aftermarketdidn't we already go through this song and dance like 14 years ago when every singleplayer AAA game had some activation shit
>>743252970Right, so how do you spin that into anything less than brand-decimating PR?
>>743241002we won (we did nothing)
>>743253196and why would they need that if they don't care about money?
>>743253131installing and downloading aren't the same thing
>>743244497The whole company profit for 2025 was about 9b something.
>>743253271it's about sending a message
>>743250420You are a faggot retard >>743251314Nigga who the fuck is buying a whole nother console to get a better price in today's hardware hellscape, think before you speak
>>743253248>brand-decimating PR?Lol grifters and antisonyfags would like you to think this but this thing has been blown way, way out of proportion.Not nearly as many people as they would have you believe care about this nor will they remember when the next big thing comes along. This is the reason they announced it 18 months in advance. Because they know 99% of their install base will have forgotten and accepted it by then.
>>743244853Capitalism, much like communism, relies on everyone being willing to play fair. Guess what happens under unregulated capitalism when a corporation gets big enough to strongarm the competition to death.
>>743252268Where’s the actual profit here? I see total sales and operating income, but neither of those are the PROFIT.
>>743253838Depending on the industry, some companies are only monopolies because of excessive government regulations that favour big corporations disproportionally. One example being GDPR compliance in the EU, start-ups can't afford that but big corporations have both the money and developed infrastructure so it's worth pushing for to keep out potential competition from ever emerging
>>743242374>>743242502It's quite literally one concordillion concordollars
>>743253838>unregulated capitalismWhy do you even reply to me? Did you see me talking about the nuances of regulating capitalism to preserve its intentions vs harming its intentions? No, you didn't because I talked about the fundamentals. Communism and Capitalism exist on opposite sides and inbetween there's a massive fucking slider.
>>743244985Correct.
>>743250435No one is being forced at gunpoint to only sell their games on playstation thoughwhoeverbeit, there's no monopoly
>>743241002You could sue Sony right now for $457 billion. You retard.
>>743253532>Nigga who the fuck is buying a whole nother console to get a better price in today's hardware hellscapeBut that's the thing, there are options, it's not a monopoly because 99% of the games available in Playstation are also available in either Xbox, Switch or PC, and someone not being able to afford another method to obtain said multiplatform game is irrelevant to the discussion.Is it an extremely scummy tactic designed to drain as much money as possible from the current PS playerbase? Absolutely, but just as people were able to afford a PS5, said same people can sell it out and invest in either another console or a budget to midrange PC, which, even with the increased price on RAM and SSD, it's still the best option in terms of multiplatform gaming, retro gaming and future proofing.
>>743242018The EU constantly fucks big companies around, you retard.
>>743241680it doesn't, just made up clickbait
>>743242935It's typical leftist thinking
>>743254392They are counting on it
>>743253675Oh, people absolutely care. Just not the cattle that Sony has openly admitted to exclusively caring about. And as a strictly business venture, there's some merit in that. Separating the wheat from the chaff, the whales from the whiners. Whoever sticks with Sony through this long enough to buy a PS6 is sending a clear message - they don't care, and they are willing to be bled dry. Considering their basically uncontested PS5 run, fueled by the goodwill of the PS4 run, they basically have the mouth breathers on lock. You can see them casting the lowest common denominator bait - timed GTA 6 exclusivity, ports of 15 year old CoD games. You are absolutely right - Sony wants an audience that won't talk back, and they have a large enough pool to draw from to probably make it work. Consolidate the userbase down to its most crystallized, then optimize the profit margins off of them. So what if their old fanbase, or anyone with taste walks away? That's fine. Sony doesn't want your business. I guess we'll see how well and how long that works. Microsoft had it for what, 4 years? Maybe Sony will do better. Last longer.
>>743241804>I'm gonna sue youtube because I can't watch videos without internet That's how reasonable you're being and who says that you need to have a constant internet connection to play an already installed game?
>>743241940Way more avenues to fight back on PC. Don't think I would actually lose a single game if Steam just vanished tomorrow because I don't buy anything with Denuvo, to be gay..
>>743254339>WhyBecause you were reeeing about how perfect capitalism is (the right version just haven't been tried yet).>fundamentalsOne of those fundamentals is the free (as in, unregulated) market. That only works if everyone is willing to play fair. You can get rid of competitors in a gorillion different ways and the only limiters are your own morals and how much you're willing to spend on it.
>>743254901well, assuming you keep every steam game installed at all times
>>743241002how retarded is sony to break their own defense like that
>>743242964>the lawsuits succeed >Sony will relent and continue to make physical copies>those physical copies have a unique identifier that locks it to your console>you have to be online to activate a game >they can remotly turn it off And retards would be happy, because they don't want to actually own the stuff they paid for. They just want a shiny saucer.
>>743254901>Don't think I would actually lose a single game if Steam just vanished tomorrowyou have read the steam EULA right? you're in for a bad surprise.
>>743243021What if they cram those physical copies full with DRM, retard?
>>743248029That's so sad.
>>743248289Apple literally lost a similar antitrust suit in the EU and they're required to let other app stores in their ecosystem now. Apple restricted it so only EU residents can do this.
>>743243240Anon in here feeling smug about falling for the most obvious bait in the world.
>>743254943What a schizophrenic post. You don't even know what kind of point you want to make.
>>743241761Same as the apple store, they set the fees,, they curate what gets into that market or not.Which discs that wasn't the case, Sony wasn't the only producer of discs, even smaller outlets like limited run could make and distribute their own discs.Not now.Plus Sony has recently been in the shit for INCREASING the digital price for people already on PS+ and regionally.
>>743250747We need to do something about Blackrock. This can be considered a violent invasion.
>>743250568I don't want physical PC games, I want game ownership. Your physical copy of Diablo 3 is completely worthless if they turn the servers off, you can't play your physical version of the Crew, if you bought Concord on a BD? You have nothing.
>>743255217silence
>>743242572A company's market cap got nothing to do with its available liquidity, retard...
>>743244985you're right, I haven't bought a sony console or game since the PS3 days
>kids these days don't realize you can install a game from a disc entirely offline.How the fuck do they function?
>>743253107Distribution costs money, sharing revenue with random stores costs money, people reselling games doesn't make them money. Are you retarded? Did you honestly think that you were asking some deep question or that this is some impressive gotcha that would reveal a dark secret that isn't obvious to 90% of humans and even 70% of dogs?
>>743253271>the I made up something nobody said and used it to call you a hypocrite play based>what if I double down on my retardation and pretend that this is totally what that one anon said?double based
>>743255373how many modern games can you even install purely offline?
Alright you shitty brain dead PC cultists. PC is not the answer or end all be all you turds pretend it is but I do want to get a new PC alongside my consolesI order you pathetic scumbags to tell me if a 1000 or 1.5k dollar prebuilt PC would be good for my use case:Retro emulation, AA games with mods, 1440p gaming
>>743255127https://mr_goldberg.gitlab.io/goldberg_emulator/
>>743255340>a company's market cap has nothing to do with their ability to pay $460>a food cart with a market cap of $25k is just as likely to pay that off than a megacorp with $122bI know that that's not what you meant. You were just trying to sound smart by going "I know the difference between assets and cash".
>>743255127Why? That only matters if you're a burger.
>>743255536nah i'd rather you just keep being a good goy
>>743241761Sony could avoid this by making a digital marketplace like steam does for items and geolock it so you can only buy/sell from the region your account was created in so you can't abuse third world currencies. Of course Sony would take a cut just like steam does, so they would start making money off the second hand market.
>>743255246>irrelevant drivel in lieu of an actual replyI'll do like the other anon and say concession status:Accepted.
>>743255373You can install a digital game while being entirely offline too. Unless there is something on there that prevents it, but guess what, those things can also be put on a disc. It's entirely the same data. Kids have the excuse of being young, what's your excuse for not knowing shit?
>>743254794>So what if their old fanbase, or anyone with taste walks away? That's fine. Sony doesn't want your business. I guess we'll see how well and how long that works. Microsoft had it for what, 4 years? Maybe Sony will do better. Last longer.Even you fall for the delusionsThe "old fanbase" is worth jackshit. See >>743250125' image. The "new fanbase" is single handedly carrying Sony. And the "new fanbase" has no reason to go anywhere else since Nintendo doesn't get most of the games they care for, Xbox is dead and PC is either a distant unobtainable dream or something they don't even know exists for them.So won't be the same as Xbox.
>>743255668>instead of selling games on their digital marketplace and take a cut they could make a digital marketplace, sell games and take a cut I don't think I can discern the difference.
>>743255616never mind I remembered I can just use a xbox series x for retro emulation. PC gaming is dog shit and highly overrated
>>743255836>The "new fanbase" is single handedly carrying SonyProbably because the old has been starved out for a decade now and living increasingly on crumbs for the decade prior to that. This shit didn't happen overnight, this shift has been some 20 years in the making.
>>743255836You can't just separate physical vs digital in that way. Live service shit is on every platform and that's what makes it so easy to leave Playstation behind
>>743241002Sony doesn't give a fuck. Otherwise, they could make it even worse by binding every disc to a single PS account, making used games impossible to resell. Congratulations, you'd have an $80 paperweight.They could also get rid of local user profiles entirely and make a PlayStation account mandatory just to authenticate and use a disc, permanently tying it to that account. At that point, truly offline consoles would basically become a thing of the past.
>>743241635Probably broke a contract with companies that produce the discs, devs who were promised discs for their games coming out, or companies who were promised games to be stocked in their storeJust a guess
>>743256251Give them time, they'll get to all that.
>>743256040Look at >>743250125 againA handful of games generate more money than 12K+ "old fanbase" games. And that image is outdated by 2 years.You had games plenty. There was no such thing as crumbs. The reality is that the "old fanbase" simply became a minority. For every person part of the old fanbase there are easily 100000x more of the new one. And as time goes on this grows even more lopsided.
>>743255536There are currently two workarounds with PC building:>Get an AMD GPU: They tend to be cheaper than Nvidia ones and their drivers have been improving, so you will always find good deals on stronger cards.>Stick to AM4: You can still find DDR4 RAM for pretty cheap, same with CPUs like the 5700X3D. You will still have to shell extra for an SSD, but 1TB will last you for a while if you don't want to spend so much on 2.If you're in the US and have a Microcenter nearby, they usually have really good combo deals.
>>743255879It would solve the main issue of the problem that customers can't sell or shop around for a better price. The obvious downside is that a customer is going to buy used instead of waiting for a sale or pay full price.>>743256251Sony is banking on retaining at least 90% of the userbase. They're gambling that the overwhelming majority of games don't give a shit (and they're probably right). Any fines they get from governments would be offset by the increased margins and the profits from converting their factories for AI hardware instead of consoles.
>>743256348I mean this was pretty spontaneous. They even waited until after the announcement to completely restructure their main disc production plant to something else entirely. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of manufacturers out there are pissed as hell. The Blu-Ray industry will crucify someone for this.
>>743241002I wish more people realized that they don't have to interact with things they don't like. They could just move on to a different ecosystem like Switch or PC. Sony's not even forcing you to give up your physical PS5 games, so you could stay on the PS5 forever if you wanted to long after 2028. This is not me justifying their actions but gamers thinking they deserve anything from an industry this rotten and corrupt always ends in failure, like with SKG.
>>743256567that's right, nintendo actually respects their customers.
>>743256386Yes, yes, I am aware of the demographic/revenue shift. I'm not a shareholder so I don't really care. I'm not butthurt about it, Sony drove me away almost 10 years ago now. I just wonder when the normalfag grift is going to implode because all anyone sees or cares about is NUMBER GO UP, and it's looking like they're running out of room to force it. There's a point when the bubble will burst, and I get the feeling that Playstation's not got the same kind of leadership they had in the PS3 era. They've looked a lot more like Microsoft in recent years, and we see how they've handled being at the bottom for the last decade.
>>743256348>Probably broke a contract with companies that produce the discsIt's their own factory. It's in Austria and they are preparing to produce something else now.
>>743256464>Sony is banking on retaining at least 90% of the userbaselol no way. The average normalfag can't afford a $1000 console
>>743256837>I just wonder when the normalfag grift is going to implodeWhat I've been to tell you is that this isn't ever going to happen. The times have changed for better or worse.
>>743241002lol they will literally pay them this money and continue to stop physicals
>>743257049can you stop defending the company that literally collaborated with the nazis?
>>743257049So 1 plant in austria makes every game in the entire world? Maybe they had a contract with the country of Austria to support physical discs on that factory for longer than 2028?That sounds stupid, no wonder they have to pay so much to ship them. They deserve to go out of business just for that alone. So who are going to make blurays and 4ks movies now?
>>743257069>this isn't ever going to happenAll empires eventually fall.
>>743257058The PS6 won't be 1k no matter what ((analysts)) and antishills might claim otherwise. They would sooner raise PS+ prices again and subsidize the thing than risk that price point.
>>743242804Just watched a video of a grandma who can't play 100 dollars worth of rock band songs.
>>743257357What makes you think that the PS6 won't be priced at $1k when the PS5 Pro is currently at $900?
>>743257285>So 1 plant in austria makes every game in the entire world?they do actually lol for sony150k discs every hour or something
>Thinking that Sony is always your friend.lmao delusional snoyggers.... If Sony ever reversed its final decision, they'd probably find another way to make your experience as inconvenient as possible and charge you a hefty "convenience" fee to make up for it. After paying the costs of reversing course, you really think they'd just eat the loss? Think again.>>743255083>>743256251Pretty much this.
>>743257308Yes and eventually the sun will explode and destroy our universe.That said, Sony isn't an empire since it's a publicly traded company. The head might change but Sony will keep trucking along because the core mission, the line must go up, will never change no matter who's in charge. If you want to make the empire analogy than Steam is unironically the perfect example of one. A lone emperor(gaben) keeping his empire afloat. And like actual empires if there is no heir then the empire falls.If any game company is going to fall in your lifetime it will definitely be Steam.
>>743257619>>Thinking that Sony is always your friend.who said that?
>>743257357Uuuuh $1000 is fucking optimistic and Sony will obviously raise PS+ anyways
>>743241680Simple. Give me physical games (which I won't buy anyways because they're woke shit) or I will sue you. :)
>>743257648>If any game company is going to fall in your lifetime it will definitely be Steam.lol we will see... I bet that we will see the end of PS in our lifetime.
>>743257443Because that would be financial suicide?And you do not need a PS5 pro. I could see them charge 1k for an hypothetical PS6 pro model but the base launch version absolutely won't be 1k. Heck this whole going digital only drama might just be in preparation for that. Increase the profit margins as much as possible so you don't have to sell for 1k.
>>743257648Sony as a company will be fine for some time. I wonder about Playstation going the way of the Walkman casette player. And yeah, Steam will hardly be forever too. So it goes.
>>743257672Almost all snoyggers
>>743242018Depends entirely on the bribe money and connections.European companies have the best contacts to brussels or strassbourg.
>>743257648Steam would be gone after the death of entire Gen Alpha and zoomers. We will not see them, but we will see the Playstation's end next few decades.
>>743257838We won't see. It's a forgone conclusion.Gabe Newell is 63 years old. If we're lucky he's got maybe what 20 - 30 years left in him? He'll croak sooner or later and then Valve will die with him because there are no heirs and Valve is a private company.Any other game company won't ever have this problem due to being publicly traded companies.
>Sony previously avoided a monopoly lawsuit by arguing players can just buy physical>according to their own argument, they're now setting up a monopolyLove it when corps start shitting into their own mouth.
>>743258134Gabe has two sons, and Valve has been around long enough to build a strong leadership team. I'm sure he's thought about succession and finding someone he trusts to carry the company forward, whether it's a family member or someone from inside Valve.
>>743241002>yes we might jew you but you can just buy physical at retailers>we no longer do physicalhow did the japanese learn these jewish tricks?
>>743258278Remember gacha, which was their proud invention.
>>743258046see >>743258134Playstation and Nintendo will likely last longer than all off us, even the gens you mentioned. But everyone will see Steam die in their lifetime.
>>743258362yeah sure delusional snoygger
>>743241376$457m is nothing for Sony, they can just pay it off and get away with it
>>743246968I can't think of any good modern exclusives I want to play on a playstation.They absolutely had good games 20 years ago, it's just a fucking wasteland now.I don't think Nintendo is in their prime game wise in many respects, but fuck at least they do make games
>>743257856They're gonna do rent to own or pay in 12 easy installments type shit just like poor people do for anything else.
>>743258264>Gabe has two sonsAnd none of those 2 care about Valve no do they want to take over the company>Valve has been around long enough to build a strong leadership teamI hope for Steamfags sake they did. Because the situation where the moment he croaks they decide to sell out and/or go public could very well happen.
>>743257856>Because that would be financial suicide?Just what they're doing with them killing physical games? Or how they removed over 500 movies from people's libraries without refunds? Or how several countries are preparing lawsuits for anti-trust and anti-consumer practices? How about how they remained completely radio silent on Twitter since the announcement and the only activity they have shown has been deleting community notes, only for them to be immediately re-added?Believe me, they're doing a great job killing their reputation so far.>And you do not need a PS5 pro. I could see them charge 1k for an hypothetical PS6 pro model but the base launch version absolutely won't be 1k.>Heck this whole going digital only drama might just be in preparation for that. Increase the profit margins as much as possible so you don't have to sell for 1k.The PS5 Pro not only costs $900 after the most recent price hike, which was done literally a couple of months ago, but it costs $900 without a disc drive, and you really think the PS6 developed by a disc-less Sony, which is supposed to be stronger than the previous generation, will cost less than the Pro? This is nothing but simple pattern recognition and believe me, I really wish you were right.
>>743258264>Gabe has two sonsimagine the engineering precision needed
>>743258408Valve is the only private company out of all game companies. You're the only one delusional here.
>>743255836>So won't be the same as Xbox.Oh it will be because physical buyers have a much higher software attach rate, If they want to exclusively pander to cookie cutters who exclusively play CoD, FIFA, Madden etc. Be my guest.
The boycott is failing with people rush to play COD Black Ops. The pétitions can't reach a million signatures. Sony is winning, baby! You consumer always lose, baby!
>>743258502>modernkek lmaoModern Playstation makes Vita exclusives look desirable.
>>743252268That tranny simulator? Oh no!
>>743258906KNACK 3 ALL DIGITAL, BABY
>>743258906>thousands of comments 2 weeks after the matterEh.
>>743258906Oh my god the comments on twitter stopped caring now people will surely purchase a $1000+ console with $80 digital only games for sure now
>>743258739see >>743250125 and >>743253675They'll do just fine without physicalfags.
>>743259193Because they've replaced them with NPCs. They'll be "fine" in the same way modern Facebook is "fine".
>>743259193>They are genuinely going for the late XBOX 360/Early XBONE strategy
>>743259316Except Sony is earning boatloads of money by the day while Facebook is practically dying.
>>743259425Yes except this time it will work.Microsoft was just too early and was also rushing too much.
>>743254659Just like you have the option to trash your iPhone and get an Android phone with alternate storefronts available, right anon?Oh wait- then why did the EU force apple to allow other storefronts onto iOS?
>>743259516>Microsoft was just too early and was also rushing too much.No the only thing SONY has is a high luck status in the form of completely brain dead competition.I don't know who I hate more at this point SONY or Microsoft.
>>743241002>Sony is being sued for one ConcordI still laugh when I think how much money they burned
>>743243829>Valve offers you a lifetime license when you "buy" a gameit's a revocable access license, no different from anywhere else. you lose access to your games if valve decides to ban your account, or if the publisher ends their service or bans you from their game.
>>743254794>Whoever sticks with Sony through this long enough to buy a PS6 is sending a clear message - they don't care, and they are willing to be bled dry.This.Do you know why many phishing scams in the age of AI still have horribly spelling and grammar mistakes in them?Because those act as a prefilter against the people too smart to fall for the follow-up steps of the scam to begin with.It's how scammers make sure they're only dealing with the dumbest of dumbfucks for the more involved follow-up steps, giving them a higher yield ratio on effort invested.
>>743259441And yet Sony is fast hurtling into an enshittified state, just like Facebook. If people can walk away from that once juggernaut, imagine what Sony charging 4 figures for the privilege of one game a year and constant PS+ hikes will do.
>>743256251>Otherwise, they could make it even worse by binding every disc to a single PS account, making used games impossible to resell. Congratulations, you'd have an $80 paperweight.They already did that before, as far back as PS3 even. Haven't you heard about the whole "online passes" shitstorm?
>>743259645>high luck status in the form of completely brain dead competition.People forget that Xbox was only competently run by Peter Moore, keep in mind that the was in charge 2003-2008. All it took was 3 years with him at the helm during the 360 era to almost sending the entire Sony Corporation to the scrap heap.
>>743259752False.
>>743259907People walked away from Facebook because Facebook became old, dated shit for boomers. Not because of any perceived enshittification. They all went to ticktock and instas and whatever instead.Playstation has no new competitor that could threatened the same way and they'll never have one because the costs to enter the console war as a fresh newbie just starting out are unbearable. Not to mention the dozens of vested interests that would block any would be newcomers. Not unlike ISPs really.
>>743259752>you lose access to your games if valve decides to ban your accountThere's three ways Valve can ban your account:They can ban it from community feature engagementThey can ban it from further storefront pagesOr they can fully terminate it.In case of the first two, you retain access to anything you purchased and you can still install it, receive updates for it, and play it.Only in case of the third do you lose everything, and they have hardly-if-ever gone that far.
>>743260112Part of that was spectacular timing. Sony pre-PS3 launch was in full coke and hookers mode off the PS2's success. They didn't think anyone was a threat, so they could engineer the most impractical device, charge the fuck ever they want, and people would just fall in line. This did not happen, and it took years of stabilizing their hubris to come back from it. Good timing for them that Moore had just left when they were ready to reverse course.
>>743260350>Only in case of the third do you lose everything, and they have hardly-if-ever gone that far.Pffft yeah right. You don't own shit.
>>743260349lol kThere's some truth to Facebook aging out of the preferences of younger generations, but people would be saying about Facebook what you're saying about Playstation back in the late 00s and early 10s - it's never going anywhere. Never is a very long time.
>>743241002>>743241680It is basically an anti-trust case involving price-fixing or something similar to that. Sony is going to find itself in a position where it has to charge inline only games for a lot cheaper then they want to or continue making physical discs.
>>743260618Nobody is forcing anybody to make physical copies of their phone apps, so I don't see why this would happen.
>>743260350>Only in case of the third do you lose everything, and they have hardly-if-ever gone that far.As far as I know, this is solely for accounts that are involved in dodgy marketplace shit that usually have no games on the account anyway.Accounts that used to hold and trade items for betting sites and shit and were puppets for bots
>>743242018EU will sooner side against corpos than US. Keep eating your shit toxic food.
>>743260549>but people would be saying about Facebook what you're saying about Playstation back in the late 00s and early 10s - it's never going anywhere. Never is a very long time.It is a lot, lot easier to start a new web company then it is to start a game company. Making a Facebook replacement is piss easy compared to making a Playstation(or any other console) replacement. You do not have to secure factories and supply lines for example if all you want to do is make a new app/websiteIn short they are in completely different worlds so that example of yours is just plain wrong.
>>743260741plebeian warmongering as usual on twitter
>>743260741It says it in the tweet itself, they justify their online store prices specifically because you can buy a disc. This is essentially using your own words against you.
>>743241376>>743241002>this company has a monopoly over its own games
>>743260820You're missing my point - nothing is infallible. Playstation is not some mystlcal, magical brand that is immune to decline. The PS3 era is proof of this. If Facebook is a withered husk of a former glory, it looks like Playstation is speedrunning for that "withered husk" status. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. We'll see how it looks in 5, 10 years. But those steps are being taken today.
>>743260741The lawsuit started last year
I don't understand why people defend corporations, and so intensely at that
>>743261096Who do you see defending sony giving up physical discs
>>743261096It would be one thing if they owned shares or were paid to do it. But the truly macabre thing is they do it for free.
>>743241002Snoys want to convince you that unless this one company keeps producing plastic boxes with plastic discs inside, the entire gaming industry is at risk because some /pol/ WEF meme from 10 years ago.Now back to reality, 99% of video-games have had digital distribution from the past 20 years, and the gaming industry is larger than ever and there are more people playing games than ever.Snoys are just mentally ill children who want to collect colorful boxes. They're gasligthing anyone with DUDE CONSUMER RIGHTS LMAO, but support consoles exclusive games. Did you hear that? The same retards accusing Sony of some kind of monopoly support exclusive games. This people are the gutter trash of the gaming community, I hope they break their PS5 in protest (again).
>>743242265yeah this is most of what i have been thinking of a good point to sue, because most of the ps5 consoles they have sold is with the lector disk, if they stopped making CDs they make this device completely out of use, and they are still out being sold and use, this should be punishable, being fair would be to drop CDs at the moment when ps5 is discontinued and not receiving more games, but not at this moment, instead of monopoly which i found it basely absurd since its just one more store out of many out there to buy video games, can it be sued by preprogrammed obsolescence or similar
>>743261096I don't give money to Sony, do you?guess who's the bootlicker, LMAO
>>743261143Are you serious?>>743242572 <--- this guy right here's just one of many in this thread alone
>>743261096Where's that image of turning brands into religions?
>>743261072>You're missing my point - nothing is infallibleCopeYou know you lost the argument so now here's the lame ass "e-everything dies s-someday!!" cop out. Sony and Nintendo aren't dying anytime soon. Not 5 -10 years but more like 50 to maybe 100 years. Those steps you see being taken today, you view them through the lens of an age that has long passed. You think in the future things will change but you do not realize the future is already here.
>>743241002BAKE THE CAKE SONY YOU FUCKING BIGOTS
>>743261868Sony (the company) will be fine. I see said company taking painstaking steps to ultimately extinguish Playstation as a brand for the sake of making the line go up a few more years.
>>743261096in america, what you consume is what differentiates you as an individual
>>743262019play station will be fine as well, worst thing can happen is dropping at all the store and just becoming a publisher with their studios, being sold to another group or becoming independent...
>>743262019And that's what you're completely deluded about.Heck if anything will disappear it's Sony the company not Playstation. The reverse of what you said if much more likely to happen. They already stopped making TVs(or any other hardware) and Playstation is the thing that's keeping the rest of the company afloat.
>>743262273At a certain point I guess that's preferable. I'd maybe even argue that we're already there.
>>743241002>Can't play nintendo games outside of nintendo console>WTF ITS LE MONOPOLY !!are americans really this dumb?
>>743262163I've heard the expression "you are what you eat" but this is ridiculous
>>743253079No I'm not
>>743241002They had some lawsuits before this do to consumer related things, and some were lost already.Now that they removed the physical in order to become a monopoly, they will have many more lawsuits, more expensive, with even less chance to win.The problem is: will the cattle buy so much that taking the lawsuit path would still be more profitable?
>>743260812>Keep eating your shit toxic food.Throwing stones from a glass house with that with one with the absurd amount of lead in everything you guys raise and grow. Stopped buying Whey protein and a shake mix I liked from Germany because they just shrug their shoulders at the fact they're eating several times the known toxic level of it.
>>743262345Then that's even worse. If Playstation is what's really keeping Sony afloat then they're desperately chasing a dragon here. They're narrowing their focus to the people they can squeeze the most money out of and cost cutting literally any where else they can. This behavior does not inspire confidence in the future of the brand.
>>743263621In a normal world, absolutely. In a world where merely buying in at launch will most assuredly cost 4 figures, AND they've already played the GTA VI card? That might be enough of a seismic shift to matter.
>>743264263I think you meant 3 figures. And anyway, they can simply stay on 2 figures, but keep the prices high at all times. People will be surely willing to spend that if they paid without problems for the online monthly.Every new PlayStation generation made more profits than the previous after all.
>>743264757>I think you meant 3 figuresPS6 will cost over $999, especially when the PS5 Pro is presently $899.>And anyway, they can simply stay on 2 figuresYou lost me.
>>743241635No law is necessary, their contradiction is enough to lose the case.
>>743241940Valve didn't force publishers to stop making physical games.
>>743241002it will be dismisseddisc will no longer be produced, but game boxes with key inside will be still sold on other stores
>>743241940Literally every reply is retarded, Epic games, GOG, and itch.io, etc are the main reasons valve isn't being buttfucked by anti trust laws
Who is getting this $457 million?
>>743266951me
>>743266951Me
>>743266989fucker!
>>743242145Switch 2 is completely backwards compat and they are making that so the battery can be replaced. I don't see the issue.
I have physicalcuck fatigue
>>743260812retard
>>743243102>who even buys TVs these days?What? Everybody you dumb nigger. I've got a Sony Bravia X90J, great TV but I'll def be looking to upgrade in the next 2 years to a 70" high end OLED. My home theatre surround sound system is fucking nuts. I have terabytes of 4K rips that support HDR and 5.1 or 7.1 audio. My living room is a better experience for me and my friends/family than a theatre would ever be minus gimmicks like 3D and moving seats. The bass rumble is just as good though.
it's just interesting to me how all it took was Xbox basically eliminating itself for Sony go to full mask-off. they've never been pro-consumer or anything remotely resembling it, there just used to be pressure to adhere to certain standards that aren't there anymore.
>>743242698Debunk him if you can.
>>743269318Are they and you pretending that Nintendo doesn't even exist...?
>>743265202I thought you were talking about of the games price on the store, not the console.
>>743241635Monopoly and anti-compete regulation in the EU. They did this to themselves by selling a walled garden and then claiming it wasn't a monopoly because customers had options.
>>743241002They’re worth billions. That’s chump change to them, and it won’t change anything.
>>743247673Capitalism is fine. Unregulated capitalism is the real problem.
>>743269481Sony has pretty much always ignored Nintendo and merely hoped they wouldn't lose massive amounts of players to Nintendo/PC in general. But after 2027 I don't think that's gonna hold anymore. PS6 will just be too expensive, GTA 6 and other big third party games will be on Nintendo. Lots of people will switch to PC after Sony kills physical.
>>743269772Is this loss?
>>743269481Nintendo won by avoiding direct competition in the fashion that Sony and Microsoft were engaged in. They went "third pillar" with the DS and they've been successful at maintaining that ever since.
>>743269898>Sony has pretty much always ignored NintendoNewfag
>>743269980What?
>>743270134>Doesn't know how the PS1 was conceptualized>Doesn't know who the PS2 was competing againstRetardo newfag
>>743270178A third party approach which didn't prepare them against a fight vs Nintendo at all, focused on Xbox, ignored Nintendo/PC and now both is gonna rape Playstation hard.
>>743241002Any money lost in lawsuits will be gained back through GTA VI. That's why they wanted to do this now and push the industry into the digital only future they always wanted. Sony isn't alone in this either. Xbox and Nintendo and merely waiting for their turn.
>>743241940Because Steam isn’t the only digital storefront on PC. If you don’t like it, you can use GOG, Epic, or any of the other stores, and even use key sites for the games. Sony wants to make it so the only way you can buy PlayStation games is by using the PlayStation Store, which also uses dynamic pricing that increases the price of games if you’re a big spender. Do you see the issue there?
holy shit stop replying to me seething faggots it's been 10 hours
>>743269909No, but that can be accomplished.
>>743255295I already said preservation is a separate issue from from physical media. I want the death of mandatory central servers/DRM and for PC physical media to make a comeback.I want modern games to have physical disc releases that work completely offline without a steam or origin installer.
>>743255418If its about money, then all that needs to happen is for the combination of lost sales and lawsuits to cost more than producing physical media does.
>>743241940the DRM valves digital replaced was worse than digital
>>743255536You could probably just stick with whatever you have and do that. If you don't have a PC, just get some used office box with a CPU made in the past 10 years, and put a 3050 in it. That'll do everything you need it to do for well under $1,000.If you didn't care about 1440p, then you wouldn't even need a graphics card, at 1080p or lower the iGPU will do that stuff. Basically only new AAA games need a good graphics card.
>>743241002Oh no, another pointless lawsuit that will get thrown out since you can still buy physical discs from others if you find their digital prices are still high even after 2028. Talk about performative action with predictable outcome by giving sony wiggle room. Stop killing games set all of this in motion by setting the precedent that gamers don't own games. You will never win against big tech. They will just pass the cheque behind closed doors. They litterally did for skg with backdoor consultation right before the case.
>>743269980HAHAHAHAHAHAthis is from when the Switch 2 was revealed.
>>743269980>>Sony has pretty much always ignored Nintendo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>743271972Mis quote>>743269898>Sony has pretty much always ignored Nintendo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>743272520Sony's focus on Xbox is what's killing them
>>743242572Market cap = cash now?get out retard
>>743269318I don't think that's all it is. I do think the pressure of all their recent live-service flops/cancellations has given Sony ample financial incentive to penny pinch like this. But yes, all the major corporations have also been salivating at this prospect for years, it's just a matter of how badly they want to weather the blowback.
>>743250747>all those blackrockswhy we care that playstation is dying again?
>>743241940valve isn't the only pc store
>>743268392the only real problem is that there is no oled or lite yet
how much is it to ship physical games worldwide?
>>743241635Monopoly laws.As stated in the OP, their previous argument for why they don't have a monopoly on games in the EU (since they classified Nintendo as a "toy" in another lawsuit, and thus not a competitor) was that you can buy physical games elsewhere for differing prices based on the retailer.But now that they're digital-only, they have a monopoly on ALL future game sales on playstation. There are no other competitors, since they have like 99% of the market share in Europe when they exclude Nintendo.
Why do you guys care so much over a piece of plastic for fucks sake youre not 14 y/o anymore the game is still there to be bought and no Sony will not rise the prices just because CDs are gone theyre still competing with pc gamers wich is getting more and more mainstream even normies are getting into it
>>743276659Fair. We all know it's coming though.
>>743243963>if a company does not make a 2001 game compatible with modern windows valve can't do shitThat's where mods come in.
>>743241002apparently the class action is similar to epic's lawsuits against apple's mobile marketplace, where because it's a walled garden there can be no competitive pricing. if a lawsuit won then sony would have to allow playstation to sideload games from other marketplaces.i don't think this will go anywhere
>>743269481Because Nintendo doesn't exist for the gun and ball normalfag who is Sony's main moneymaker.
>>743241002What is that, like 1/4th of a Concord?
>>743278515Concord was like 400 million
>>743278515It's like an eight of what they paid for bungie
>>743241940because despite controlling 90% of digital pc game distribution. your pc isn't locked out of using gog, epic, itchio, microsoft store ect.this type of lawsuit could happen on pc if microsoft locked down windows to only play verified microsoft store games, this fear is the reason why steam started developing steamOS to begin with. fear of windows turning into a walled garden.
>>743278559Yeah, but didn't they pay a bunch of money to buy that dev, specifically to make Concord?
>>743269772>No PS5 gamesAre they all digital?
>>743241002Meanwhile my collection of Roms grows by the day, physically owned by me on XHDs. Not beholden to any jewish rent-forever subscription grift. Feels good to sing yar har fiddle dee dee.
>>743241002>the cost of concordLmao hope they lose so they can go bankrupt quicker
>>743241635enraged the niggers who plays gta n fifa
