Another big win for based Asha!
I'm retarded and gay!
>>743259445what the fuck does that even mean
Nothing they do will make me buy a PajeetBox.
>>743259531it means you get to keep the game on your account digitally even if your disc brokey
>>743259531Plug your game disc into and Xbox and register and claim the digital license for it. You can stream it or use it across all your systems.
>>743259445What, is the console going to destroy the disc?
>>743259671No. You keep the disc. If you sell it and someone on another console registers your disk , the license gets transferred from them to you.
>>743259531it means this is the final gen to have discs so you can convert them to play on next gen
>>743259445>Positronmore like positroon
>>743259662>>743259670that's retarded, if there's a singular digital license attached to it, what the fuck is the point of having the disk
>>743259531it does what it says, it turns your physical disc into a digital copy you can keep installed on your console or stream it over the cloud or whatever.of course this is all in preparation of next gen dropping the disc drive entirely
This industry sucks. Gamers are mouthbreathers.I've been bitching about how antiquated bluray is for years, it's a 20 y/o format. I even pointed this out on /v/ before, and that the lack of innovation for physical (disc) media would lead to the death of physical entirely. Nobody believed me.You all should've complained about bluray's shittiness and demanded a new format years ago.
Insert money into the thing instead of disc doesn't guarantee a good gaem!?
The discs must have unique identifier (license key) burned on them, the console will destroy the disc in the process, or this whole gimmick will allow for infinite game license cloning (keeping the disc functional and capable of granting licenses to more players).You can make bets on which it will be.
>>743259662>>743259670>>743259531NTA but does that mean I'm able to download games from my disc on Series S?Like, put my copy of Splinter Cell on Xbox One, and then download it on Series S console?
>>743260120Or it just transfers the unique license to whoever last registers the game online.
Doesn't that just mean it will brick the disc? I can't imagine they will allow you to just sell the disc after and let someone else digitize it too
>>743260217No one know precisely how it will work, but online Xbox One and series games are eligible so Splinter Cell is too old. According to Jez Corden it should work that way for Xbox One discs.
>>743260485They can just transfer the license when the next user registers it.
>>743259825>what the fuck is the point of having the diskseems pretty self-explanatory. you own a physical copy of the game AND a digital one at the same time.
>>743260552*only Xbox One and Xbox Series games
>>743259445couldn't we do this in the 360? I remember saving my games in a usb stick back then
>>743260389>mom throws out your garbage from under the bed>some dumpster diver scavenges the disc>license disappears from your account>game stolen
>>743260217My assumption is that it will work like this:>put disc in>that license is now tied to your account>if anyone else uses that disc it is now removed from your account and put on theirsMight be very wishful thinking for that last part but it seems the best possible solution. The worst is if it locks the disc to your account forever because then physical Xbox games are going to shoot up in price.
>>743259531you can install your disc game to your xbox and play it without keeping the disc in.but if that disc is used on another console, you're not allowed to play your installed copy anymore.to keep track of this, xboxes might need to be online at all times to play any of these eligible discs.
>>743260631what is the point of having a disk if you need to approve it with the server, you might as well just buy the digital license, the disk is completely redundant
>>743260672As opposed to:>Mom throw out garbage>you only had a physical copy>you lose it forever.
>>743259531Xbox Helix won't have a disc drive but you can back up digital copies of all your physical games. That's the real reason they're doing this.
>>743260837>Xbox Helix won't have a disc drivethen how to activate the license to play them in this scenario? none of this makes any sense
I have a bunch of physical OG Xbox games so this is a good way to preserve my library in case of disc rot/data loss.
>>743260992You back up everything on your SX and then transfer your profile to the Helix. Nintendo made this seamless with the Switch 2.
>>743261017Only Xbox One and Series games are available sadly. I think they built the ability to register online licenses in Xbox One back and ditched it when the always online controversy happened.
>>743260704Okay, but how do you enforce this while allowing players to use their digital games while offline? If I register a game to my account, download it on my console, then disconnect that console from the internet, and then someone else reregisters the game on their account, we now both have access to the game. To enforce this, they'll just require periodic online check-ins to use digital content, so it's the worst possible outcome.
Why do people care? Are they really putting in PS1 discs to play games in current year? Give me a break.
>>743260001Games moved to CDs because music was on CDs. Games moved to DVDs because movies were on DVDs. Now physical music and movies are pretty much dead outside of a niche market of hobbyists. Blu-Ray: The Sequel didn't happen all because of Netflix. Gamers never had a say in that and have followed the footsteps of those industries for over three decades now.
>>743260793>Mommycrosoft promises you can transfer the disc to digital license>get your digital game>throw out the physical disc you no longer need>etc.>game stolen
>>743259445GOG tried this with "Connect" and it still didn't move the needle for their storefront.>>743259531https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/bring_back_gog_connect but with physical titles.Unfortunately for X-box, I do not want to digitize my X-box library and have it held hostage by 3 year logins like Sony does PSN now. Besides, I'm on Steam and can emulate them anyway
>>743261230Just do what nintendo does and use high speed cartridges
>>743260614Doesn't that leave the ability to have two people play for the price of one? Like I register the game, play it digitally, give the disc to a friend, and they play off the disc? What you say makes sense, but I imagine they will need a way to make the disc unusable unless you re-register it.
>>743261230damn... how were they tricked into using the most popular affordable storage devices of the day?????
>>743260552The reason why I brought Splinter Cell specifically is because that game and other entries are delisted, and there is no way to play them unless you have the discs or bought the game before they got delisted, so it's impossible to play them on Series S right now. Thought this new feature may make it possible, since you already do have to download the game anyway with disc>>743260704>The worst is if it locks the disc to your account forever because then physical Xbox games are going to shoot up in price.Yeah, that makes me more wary about the announcementI don't know if PS game disc also shot up the prices
>>743261297>3 year loginswhat this mean?
>>743261230>Blu-Ray: The Sequel didn't happen all because of Netflix.It was supposed to be 4KBD but they were expensive to produce (100 GB files). The average person thinks a crushed 4K stream is good enough so the format never really took off. 4KBDs are only used for top tier cinema.
>>743261401it means if your PS account hasn't been used after 3 years, Sony will delete your account, along with everything you bought
>>743261306>high speed cartridgesthe cartridges are way slower than the sd cards lol
can you sell the game and keep it too?
>>743261114>To enforce this, they'll just require periodic online check-ins to use digital content, so it's the worst possible outcome.That's the most likely scenario, I think they already do it for GamePass anyway and if you want to play backwards compatible games on Xbox Series X you need to go online to download a digital copy of that OG Xbox/360 game as is. Most people aren't going to willingly go a month without internet access these days so they won't really care. Sadly, online checks aren't going to generate the same outrage that the Xbox One announcement did anymore. Even if the check ins were weekly, I don't think most people will care. The weekly check in is what Nintendo uses for their NSO app.
>>743260776I'm not sure your brain works
>>743261574still way faster than blu-ray discs
>>743260552>According to Jez Corden it should work that way for Xbox One discs.Sounds like they're repurposing their original Xbone plan, which was to prevent used games by permanently registering a disk to an account, to use the same unique ID printed on each disk to unlock a license once instead. Kind of neat but it's still going to fuck up the used game market in other ways as who knows what disks have already been registered.
>>743261598noas soon as that disc is played on another xbox, your digital copy will be sucked
>>743260775>to keep track of this, xboxes might need to be online at all times to play any of these eligible discs.Oh well, never mind then, ain't happening.
>>743261861Jez said that in the original program you could sell off your used discs and the new user would just do an online check in to register the game to his account, but the system was just explained badly.
>>743259445>by acquiring the digital license, you forfeit your right to play with the disc alone and offline
Is this gonna work for OG Xbox and 360 games as well?
>>743259445Will be interesting to see if there'll be any changes to always online requirements on the console sideThe original Xbox One DRM plan was basically this, but also with re-selling used discs being a horrendous pain in the ass process involving select retailers.It seems this time they might have just given up on trying to regulate offline consoles playing already licensed discs. Certainly on any console with old firmware it's not a problem they can solve at this point unless there's some form of built-in timebomb already.
>>743261605>The weekly check in is what Nintendo uses for their NSO app.The difference is that it doesn't do it for digital games. A subscription doing check-ins makes sense, but if you need check-ins for games, then you're fucked if stuff goes offline.
>>743261505How the fuck is that legal?
>>743259531OneDrive, but for your game library.
>>743260001>I even pointed this out on /v/ beforehttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/567424515/#q567428305I found a post from 5 years ago where I also brought this up, but I cannot find the original and it ain't in my screencap folder. Oh well.I really have been seething over blu-ray being dogshit for over 5 years. I fucking knew Sony/MS were resting on their laurels until digital became the convenicent option so consumers would "hopefully" lap it up.The lack of effort to create a true successor format from blu-ray was a deliberate anti-consumer ploy.Same reason you cannot resell digital games, even though the reselling of digital software is relatively common (game publishers really don't want people to realize this)This is why the gaming industry is so hugely profitable: consumers are being ripped off every turn.
>>743259445Oops only current gen discs only
>>743262196It sucks to be proven right sometimes, doesn't it?
There wont be a next console gen, none of this matters.
>>743262303The crazy part is this has made Nintendo of all companies look like the "good guys"
>>743259531It means instead of taking advantage of Sony's historical fuck up of abandoning physical games to gain the upper hand against them, Xbox is doing a 'hold by beer' move by not only abandoning physical too, but giving you a way to make your physical collection worthless
Do physicalfags really not see that nobody else cares about owning a disc that is a license to play a game? The switch to digital wasn't forced on people it's just way more convenient and most don't care about being able to sell a game for $6 after beating it.
>>743259531Sensible middle ground between destroying the used market and a digital future. You can use your disk to create a digital license but if you sell your disk to someone else they get the license instead.
>>743262393Nah, game key cards are a deliberate attempt to sabotage physical copies, so that people will switch to digital and won't care when they get rid of physical. Nintendo's doing exactly the same thing as Sony.
>>743262083>then you're fucked if stuff goes offline.Yep. There was some PSN outage where players couldn't access and play some single player games due to them having online checks. Modern gaming is cucked.Lil' schizo take here but if this current gen was to ease people into digital only gaming then next gen will quite possibly try to ease people into cloud only gaming since Sony and Microsoft are still trying to push that(and consoles going from $1000 to $200 would be seen as a huge win by morons not realizing why they're so much cheaper). Consoles being always online could be one part of that.
these cocksucking corps can do whatever they want, im just going to steal the product anyway
>>743262558GKC's are still tradeable licenses, and even then Nintendo has a way to temporarily lend game licenses digitally as well (similar to steam library sharing). I prefer full physical any day, GKCs are still objectively better than digital though.
>>743262196>The lack of effort to create a true successor format from blu-ray was a deliberate anti-consumer ploy.But the consumers themselves told the companies through their purchasing history and behavior that nobody gives a shit about some gay plastic disk. You literally created a conspiracy theory, in your head, because sane people don't want to collecting and taking care of disks. They don't want to have to install shit off a disk too. Pervasive high speed Internet just destroys the entire use case for them.The fact that it also removes the used games loophole is just a happy little bonus.
>>743262973You highlighted the crux of my argument in your own reply anon: the fact no blu-ray successor format was made meant install times were dogshit. As a result, consumers didn't want to purchase blu-ray discs with their shitty read speeds and thus shitty long install times. I explained this shit years ago. How is that a "conspiracy theory"?Even with the shittiness of blu-ray, you stil have around a third of singleplayer games being purchased physically, so Sony's move to all-digital is premature if anything.
>>743259445I heard it was for the next gen. This would be so fucking awesome if it's for the Series S.
>>743259445You do realise this is just because they're also going to be dropping the disc drive, right?>oh yeah our new console doesn't have a disc drive btw>but if you have an old console you can obtain licenses for those disc games so that you can install and play them digitally in future! (you still do not "own" these licenses and they come with the same DRM schemes as any other digital product, did we forget to mention that?)>just ignore the fact that we're obsoleting physical in future as well, we're just giving you digital copies of your old games so you won't complain, now shut up goy!Piratechads keep winning.
>>743262393Sony and Xbox seem like they're in a race to see who can commit suicide first.
>>743263669Good. There's a reason PC cases don't even have slots for a disk drive because it kills airflow. A next gen console still having a disk drive is just silly.
>>743263956PCs don't need disc drives as you already have control over your own storage and can transfer to as many drives as you want easily. Plus, you have DRM-free options when buying vidya (at well as the ability to sail the high seas if you so choose); consoles don't give you these options: you're locked-in to their own marketplace.
>>743259445Wasn't Sony going to do something like this with the PSP or Vita?
>>743259445this seems like a horrible idea
Reminder that no xbox ever had a true backward compatibility. None.
>>743264459Yeah with PSP during transition to PSP GO but PSP software sales were so ass due to easily available CFW they dropped that idea.
If Sony wants to go all digital they will need something similar. Or allow PS6 to hook up a USB disc drive.
>>743262036I really wonder how they can enforce that. Does every disc have a unique identifier that can be blacklisted on any console while online, or when using the latest firmware if offline?
>>743259445>Licenses
>>743260775>to keep track of this, xboxes might need to be online at all times to play any of these eligible discs.there it is, the real reason why this exists
>>743261210>Why do people care? Are they really putting in PS1 discs to play games in current year? Give me a break.Sometimes the stupid shit people say here is unbelievable. If you believed the average /v/tard they constantly are booting up PS1s to play old games all the time like the fuck you are
>>743259445Friendly reminder that ironic shilling is still shilling.
At least there'll be a reason to own an xbox next gen for console cucks with elder scrolls being exclusive. All those millions of players won't care about this when buying their console.
>>743261375damn, I only bought double agent. now I have to hunt down the discs for the others
>>743264515360 had true backward compatibility by industry standards. Most Xbox games worked. Xbox series has true backwards compatibility with Xbox One.There are edge cases where games didnt run or were buggy , but almost every console had those. I tried to play Sea of Soltitude on Ps5, but the graphics wouldnt display properly
>>743266020If at 11pm on a Sunday I want to play WarioWare on the gamecube, I want to play WarioWare on the gamecube. So I do. Even if I play only modern steam shit the rest of the week, for that one instant I want to play a thing I own the way I want to, and it helps nobody to be told that I shouldn't be doing that because it upsets you that I found enjoyment in an old console with physical media.Later on I might play it again. Or I might finish Croc on ps1, or I might just play more Forza Horizon 6. Having choice is nice. I like not being restricted to what our corporate overlords have deemed worthy of being played.
>>743267165You don't ever stop kidding yourself
>>743261230>games moved to CD because it had music on itHoly newfag doesn't know games used to come on cassette
>>743259445>you will own nothing: disc edition
>>743266735I think everything in your post is deeply misleading.>Most Xbox games worked.Absolutely not. Barely half were on the whitelist and would even try to start and even Microsoft first party games had major graphical issues and game breaking bugs.>There are edge cases where games didnt run or were buggy , but almost every console had those.Completely wrong. Consoles mostly DON'T have BC at all. But the ones that do (GBC/GBA/DS1/PS2/Wii/WiiU) it's hardware BC and it's effectively perfect. The outlier are extremely rare and even then that's usually physical problems with the cart, or accessories, the game itself will run bit for bit perfect.PS3 and 360 broke this by using software emulation. Sony's PS1 emulation is decent but not perfect, their PS2 emulation is dogshit and 360 emulation of Xbox is an absolute joke.The Xbox One "emulation" of 360 is a completely different beast. It's more of a port than emulation and so while they don't have the usual emulator issues, they also have sloppy port issues so it's still junk.
>>743267683>The Xbox One "emulation" of 360 is a completely different beast. It's more of a port than emulationNo, it's emulation. Hell, the OG Xbox games running on the Xbone/XSX are running an emulator (OG for 360) inside another emulator (360 for Xbone). It's hilarious.
This is pretty based. I have a series x and a few physical games like a steel book edition of cyberpunk. Hypothetically can my friend with a series s sign into my series x and I put the disk and and he gets a digital licence to play it? It can share games with him that way because I don't even use the xbox anymore since I became a masterrace. Only thing I can see holding this back is if it requires the disk to be in the console at all times while playing on a series console and this only applies to next gen xbox migration on the same account.
>>743264549>easily available CFWSony did screw themselves over with their proprietary hardware. I do regret not buying a Vita.
>>743269512Good thing Xbone is unhackable AND has no games.
we can do this
>>743259445>>743259531>could>wouldIt doesn't mean anything
Jeet shill thread
>>743261017backwards compatibility sucks for the og xbox
>>743259445>digital licensesinto the trash
here to stay
>>743259445now why would I want to do that?
>>743261113Makes sense since the tech wasn't in place for OG XBOX. I'm racking my brain to think of a good consumer friendly work around since XBox will want to capitalize on Sony's blunder but I can't think of anything.
>>743259445Asha is forcing her big mommy milkers into our mouths
>>743259445>twitterfuck off
>>743279151They don't look that big to me.
>>743259445I'm going to need Splinter Cell copies at this rate. Too bad half of my OG/360 library is incompatible, I'd really love to just slap Fable Lost Chapters, Far Cry Predator, and Tenchu Z onto my Xbox.
>>743260217Yes actually. Microsoft still has identifier codes on every disc from the Bone trainwreck. This adds them to your library.As to what happens if someone else attempts to do the same if you sell it or whatever, its unclear.
>>743260120So basically like what Nintendo already does with copies that have been dumped by MiG carts, except in a way that is probably more sane than just bricking your console if it detects a duplicate license.
>>743259445All I want is for this shit to work for those BC 360 games that always need the disc to play for some reason, like Orange Box and pic related.
>>743259531It means that you probably can't lend your discs anymore.
