What's the first thing an MMO should make you care about? Your character? Your gear? Your guild? Money? Territory? Your reputation? The world itself? Other players?What should hook you before anything else, and why?I feel like different MMOs answer this question completely differently, and it changes the entire game.
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It should be a world you want to explore and be a part of.
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>>743262837dunno
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>>743263434Danks
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>>743262837The vibes, followed by the story. Great vibes can excuse a just-okay story but even the best stories can be wrecked by bad vibes.Then you should care about your place in the story. The place of others in that story. Then all the social aspects (trade pvp quest assistance banter).A game has to be able to stand on its own to be a great mmo.
>>743263172I think starting the game with a cinematic is a pretty good way of getting people immersed in the world.
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>>743263717You mean, like, character creation and open world graphics?
>>743263859I know WoW does this, but even after a dozen or two new characters, I couldn't tell you what they're about.
>>743265708New World had one opening cinematic for everyone, I think. It was really good at giving the backstory that everyone then adventures through.
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"There are thousands of other people here, and you can find your place among them."Everything else -- combat, progression, crafting, PvP, economies -- should reinforce that feeling rather than replace it.
>>743262837An MMORPG should be an RPG with other people around. This should seem obvious but every MMO fucks it up with content bloat that detracts from the RPG feeling, and if an MMO has been out for more than a few years it often feels like the game doesn't even have a director.>levelling journey is skipped to get to the endgame raiding scene, which wants to be a co-op forevergame like Helldivers 2 rather than an RPG>PvP is a 10000 hour minigame instead of not being present at all (preferable) or something that happens as part of the RPG journey like a bandit attack>Main story bosses are a joke meanwhile the biggest threat in the game is some chucklefuck in a cave>Devs balance builds so tightly that everyone feels like they have to min-max in order to get anywhere, instead of everything being viable>Cool cosmetics come from either a cash shop or an arbitrary 100 hour rare drop grind>finishing the achievements requires a week of finding a bunch of other people just to play some shit nobody has touched in yearsThe closest MMO I've found to not doing this shit is LOTRO but it's not perfect
>>743262837PvP sandbox that lets me build a house in the open world.
>>743269882Why would PvP -- the most thrilling and rewarding content -- not be present?
the only reason to play mmos is to erp. name 1 mmo game where erp is not significant part of the game. no dead mmos
>>743270813Good news, you can play such a game right now by logging into Haven & Hearth. You won't though because your idea fucking sucks.
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>>743262898amazing self report>>743263690>have reached a brand new depth of retardationthat image is probably older than you, newfag
>>743271274Because it is neither thrilling nor rewarding, it's just an annoyance that gets 3rd worlders addicted because they thinking ganking lower level people makes them king shit. It is an inherently parasitic form of gameplay that has nothing to do with the proper feeling of an RPG which revolves around immersion, exploration, progress, and especially story. All you pvpfags should be kept to shit like counterstrike and fifa.
>>743271358EVE?
>>743271689>Top-down, 2D hardcore MMO.
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>>743272089>real open world PVP has never been tried
>>743272039thats less of an mmo and more of a sado-masochist psychopath sim desu, which people also get sexual gratification from, also its kind of dead and the only ones left playing it are sadists, masochists, or straight up psychos.
>>743271689I already played W16 and W16.1.The devs take forever to do anything and there is nothing like HnH that I could play in the meantime.
>>743271942>ganking lower level people makes them king shitWhy does this point always come up as *the* point arguing against PvP? Ganking lowbies doesn't even happen that often, and levels aren't the optimal design for fair but compelling engagements.How is winning a PvP battle not the most thrilling experience? People reward engagements with real people much more than AI.
>>743272192What A+ PvP sandbox have we had in the last 20 years?
>>743272290You have to throw the RPG into the trash and copypaste a meta build from the wiki in order to stay competitive.
>>743272203>Not *that* popular MMO.
>>743272290because it's literally the only reason to play pvp in an mmo you dumb cuntmmo pvp is just the FGC retirement home, and it's an absolute waste of resources that devs have to practically beg people to actually play
>>743272415>Made-up headcannon.With WoW, you can just sim talents and stats in SimCraft. That doesn't make it less of an RPG.
>>743272518You fight for zones and resources in a good PvP MMO.
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>>743272290>How is winning a PvP battle not the most thrilling experience? People reward engagements with real people much more than AI.Because I don't fucking care about the other person. They have nothing to do with the goals I've set or the questline I'm on. I'm here to be immersed in the RPG setting, not have to deal with some faggot getting in the way of me experiencing the actual game. What you PvPfags don't understand is that not everything exists to serve your gay niche. And it is a niche, a VERY tiny fraction of MMO players do PvP. If you want PvP why don't you go play Overwatch or something instead of shitting up MMOs?
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>>743272586there's literally no such thing as a good pvp mmo, they're all either pvp games dragged down by mmo elements or they're mmos dragged down by their pvp elements
>>743272625pvpers just want to shit on non pvpers. thats all it is. it's why they rage when the pvp is limited to a certain zone location or game mode. they want pvp everywhere in the game at all times. rust exists they can play that instead if they want too.
>>743271942>Because it is neither thrilling nor rewardingGuild Wars 2 is the ONLY MMO game that has objectively amazing PVP/WVW rewards, you butt hurt cretin!Guild Wars 2 has objectively amazing PVP/WVW rewards, unlike World Of Warcraft!https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Skirmish_reward_track#Rewardshttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/WvW_Reward_Trackhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Reward_Trackhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_League#Rewardshttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Automated_TournamentsIf an MMO game has a PVP/WVW game mode that is incredibly rewarding, why wouldn't you play it?
WoW PvP has traumatized an entire generation of MMO players.
>>743272781>look at all these digital trinkets you can get!I play MMOs because I want to have fun and be immersed in a fantasy world life.
>>743272781gaynet had to put legendary weapon components in wvw just to maintain a stable population>if an MMO game has a PVP/WVW game mode that is incredibly rewarding, why wouldn't you play it?because pvp is gay and lame dogshit played exclusively by 3rd-world children
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>>743272625True. PvP in a themepark PvE MMO is always bad.In a real PvP MMO like Albion or Eve you wouldn't even have quests or any of that distracting PvE content that you have to grind through.
>>743272878Me too, but I love to earn things and learn new things.
>>743272781Because standing around boosting wins is fucking lame and the rewards would be better put elsewhere. And no I won't do legit matches because that is even less fun. I don't know why this breaks your autistic brown brain so much, but PvP is just unfun shit.
>>743272625>I'm just going to go quest forever.Zone control and wealth distribution are waiting for you, anon.
>>743272714EVE.
>>743262898I don't believe you. Prove it or GTFO
>>743272731Rust is a shooter that gets reset. I want a persistent living world with fantasy gameplay.
>>743273824And why should I care about zone control? Might as well tell me about hiscores and speedrun times too. It's irrelevant crap for autists to chase instead of a meaningful experience like questing.
>>743272836What do you mean?
>>743273947theres no reset servers
>>743273993Getting money from taxes.Approximately nobody likes questing. WoW has traditionally lost like 90% of players to leveling.
>>743274113You're a faggot and the reason I started playing world of warcraft in vanilla was because I enjoyed the WORLD of warcraft. Playing the game, finding things out with other people in the same place at the same time was peak WoW as opposed to just dungeon queuing my way through the world to sleep my way through gathering materials for raid supplies.
>>743262837Being a game that feels good to play. Look at maplestory, one of the most predatory MMOs out there with the worst management possible, and people still waste money on the game even though it's barely worth it anymore. Good gamefeel, art, and music. Story is serviceable, it's an mmo so it has to keep going.
>>743274113Money exists to fund questing. Otherwise it's just a meaningless number going up.WoW is a shit game. Questing is the main draw for the better MMOs like LOTRO, SWTOR, and Runescape.
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>>743274059Official?
>>743273993>meaningful experience>questing
>>743274345TOR is a far inferior questing experience to KotOR 1 and 2.
>>743274236>>743274345After the quests are over, what keeps you logging in?
>>743272714Albion Online
>>743274612You genuinely don't have a soul if stories aren't meaningful to you.>>743274881The better stories, like the Agent storyline, hold their own. I'd agree for the Jedi classes though.
>>743274952The people i met doing those quests. The content was always secondary to that and when i started logging in for content is also when i can honestly say Wow was dying.
>>743274952Quests are many hundreds of hours of content, so that typically keeps me going. If I reach post-game then I might enjoy doing stuff in the world like rep grinds or the fishing and birding system from LOTRO, or I'll just wait for the next expansion.
>>743275000I never said anything about stories not being meaningful.
>>743275000No I think they're all inferior. Quests are tied directly into the environments you're exploring, pacing is much better, and you never have to complete all quests in an area if you don't want to.
>>743275018>>743275212What if you unlocked quests by PvPing? Or were invited to achievement-locked guilds?
>>743262837Complexity of mechanics, amount of content, being easy to learn and hard to master, scalability for future expansions and updates, low system requirements, high optimization, ingame support, high player and community agency, quality leaps in power and not just numerical.The closest game to perfect MMO was EVE Online. WoW is a great game as a raiding/arena simulator - but as an MMORPG in the sense it's really poor.
>>743272625>Because I don't fucking care about the other person.Then why do you want to play an MMORPG in the first place? MMORPGs should be about conflict and competition, even if it involves working together with someone. This thing you described is just poor game design. There should not be a situation when a high skilled and prepared player can ambush a low level novice or someone who is not interested in pvp for zero reward. It's the equivalent of hunting deer with nuclear weapons: pointless, waste of time for both parties, zero reward. Pvp must be fair: when you go out fully equipped with a purpose to kill and meet someone else with the same intention.
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>>743274997>literally impossible to do anything alone>discord groomer clan vs discord groomer clanShit is worse than foxhole
>>743263859>>743269085dont start using ai to bump your spam threads
>>743276137Why do you keep trying to force pvp onto people who don't like it? Every time this happens it just becomes an annoying chore to organise boosting. >>743277880>MMORPGs should be about conflict and competition>RPGs>conflict and competitionThis is not what RPGs are about. Not even remotely. The other players in an MMO are there to contribute to the lively atmosphere of the world.
>>743263172Game?
>>743262837I'm tired of replying to these repetitive threads. I just wanted you to know that.
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>>743262837I'd say start with a flawless way to prevent botting, if that's even possible.
>>743278908This can only be done by removing the profit incentive
>>743278621>This is not what RPGs are about. Not even remotely. The other players in an MMO are there to contribute to the lively atmosphere of the world.Not everyone shares this sentiment. Some players want to conquer and forge their own story instead of riding a railroad that is made out of simple pre-determined quests. Wouldn't it be interesing if these people who populate the virtual world would fight, go to war, thus shaping the political environment? It would be more lively and organic. It doesn't have to involve you personally.
>>743277993Not true. You have never played it. You sound like a triggered cultist.
>>743276137The PvP reward should always come straight out of the defeated players inventory. Anything else can be farmed.
>>743279497Those people don't want to play an MMORPG then. They want something closer to No Man's Sky or Conan Exiles.
>>743280010No, they just want something resembling actual MMOs like Ultima Online before themepark bullshit took over and turned everything into chat lobby with single player games by degreesproblem is, these will always turn into absolute tyrannies because it is too easy for anyone who doesn't want to 'fight' for a completely fictional Universe to drop the games entirely while pvp players eventually have nothing remaining. Either the entire sever is aligned to squash pvp, or it gets dominated by 'warlords'. every effort to systematize criminal justice in an MMO has been met with retarded shit that is exploited to impose it upon people who want nothing to do with it, to the point your options as a victim are simply to die. Fighting back apparently means you wanted it, after all. Fucking Karens in charge of justice.tl;dr its too easy to escape responsibility for security by just leaving the game entirely. no system has been devised to support the average joe relative in-game murderers and thieves.
>>743282625Ok retard, the games with no focus at all on being an RPG are "real" MMORPGs. So what do you call RPGs with a massively multiplayer element then?
>>743262837the world, your char and other players need to be the initial hook
>>743282989How does UO not have any focus on being an RPG?
>>743269085>>743278034>bohe sloth listed for only 65yCeyeah definitely AI imagine some retard listing it that low
>>743277993>literally impossible to do anything aloneYes anon, that's how MMORPGs should work.If you want to play alone then pick a different genrea.
